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“We’re Not Going to Participate in the Madness” – Zakharova Says RF Will Retaliate, But Keep it Sane

11933 Views April 02, 2018 Speeches, Statements and Interviews The Saker

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  1. B.F. on April 02, 2018  ·  at 5:35 pm EST/EDT

    Intelligent woman. Says as it is.

  2. chimmy on April 02, 2018  ·  at 5:40 pm EST/EDT

    The comes a point when one has to respond, if only prevent further humiliation of a deranged and unstable adversary. One might not even feel any reciprocal malice but only have an awareness that the other party is acting maliciously. I am thinking of some minor character in Demons who becomes unhinged by Stavrogin’s refusal to acknowledge challenge to a duel. (Something like that — it’s been a while since I last read)

    • the real history on April 02, 2018  ·  at 6:01 pm EST/EDT

      Better yet, to say we’re not going to respond and then respond. Anyway, this is how politics work – creating confusion, disorientation, theft etc, while always hiding behind some masks of kindness, projecting verbal platitudes and smiles.

      • chimmy on April 03, 2018  ·  at 6:57 am EST/EDT

        I remember a film I watched in college about the Yanomamo, how neighboring villages would offer hospitality and banquets that as often as not would end in deadly battles. I should add, however, that the chief scholar is not without controversy, that there was likely kayfabe both in the production of the film and the the underlying scholarship. Even as a naive young lad, I thought it exceedingly strange that the funding for the film I was provided by the (US) Atomic Energy Commission. Perhaps this is an example of the puppet masters creating man in their own image.

    • padre on April 03, 2018  ·  at 8:09 am EST/EDT

      When you respond, you must take in consideration, that provocation is usually intended just what the word say, to provoke your rush response.It is like in sports, where provoker usually gets away with the provocation, if the provoked reacts!

  3. natoistan on April 02, 2018  ·  at 6:11 pm EST/EDT

    It seems to ”work”,popularity of Trump reaching 50% for the first time(more than Obama at the same time).As Russiagate is now a cold case.I don’t know if the Popularity of both mad May and ‘the Boris’ is also up?Does someone have any info?Tks

    Trump’s approval to 50%

    https://www.rt.com/usa/422990-guns-immigration-boost-trumps-approval/

    • Paul Greenwood on April 03, 2018  ·  at 4:32 am EST/EDT

      Maybot’s popularity will never rise which is why THEY are trying to remove Corbyn and put a Blairite in control so they can ditch May and keep influence under a Labour regime.

      Trump is not “popular” so much as not loathed. Opinion polls are ridiculous.

      • Tomsen on April 05, 2018  ·  at 2:10 am EST/EDT

        So you guys still believe in the “make believe” polls.
        Orwell:”People will believe what the media tells them they believe”.

  4. polistra on April 02, 2018  ·  at 6:44 pm EST/EDT

    She’s making a broad point about the ’30s. It wasn’t just the Olympics. US and UK were strongly connected with Germany EXCEPT during the wars. US idolized German business and education from 1880 until 1918, when we suddenly decided to go to war. By 1920 we were already back WITH Germany, helping Germany to invade the Baltics in preparation for another war on Russia. Through the ’30s our industries worked closely with German industries to build weapons.

    After WW2, Stalin felt the need to weaken America because he knew from long experience that we would return to working WITH Germany to attack Russia. He was right.

  5. Babushka on April 02, 2018  ·  at 7:34 pm EST/EDT

    At 24.02 the caption states: “The British are treating our children in a weird way”

    To which I retort: the British have always treated children in a weird way. Not just Russian children. But especially their own, and those in their colonies, who did not belong in the serving classes to the elites.

    I am a burned-out, now retired child therapist/ conflict resolution mediator and live to tell the tale/ support the notion that on the whole, people need an external enemy in order to feel good about themselves. This is as true for individuals as it is for families and communities and therefore, nations. This notion of ‘enemy’ is eternally exploited by the powers that be, while it is supposedly understood by Christians that when we deal with the enemy within, we are better equipped to deal with others in a merciful, forgiving manner.

    Muslims/Sufis understand that the first jihad begins in the heart. So it is with Buddhist and Christian teachings.

    I was born into a peasant society/culture that lived by the tenet that the health of a society can be gleaned by the way that society cares for its children. I was certainly well cared for in my first seven years in the Netherlands.

    Imagine then my horror upon arriving inAustralia to find endemic neglect, abuse and deprivation and isolation. Many boatloads of children just dumped here. See the filmOranges and Sunshine. I cried all the way through.
    And that is soon after the boatloads of convicts and criminals unceremoniously dumped here.

    I was forever working to get a better deal for children. Those who have competent caring parents become ‘fit members’ of society while others slip through the cracks at alarming rates. I’m generalising but overall, the picture is grim.

    At the conclusion of this video MZ states her certainty that western journalists are asking themselves: “what’s going on?” and “what will it lead to?”
    I’m not so sure, as I’ve had lots of argy bargy with journalists and lawyers and senior military people, all of whom are set in the concrete of their certitude, at the same time regarding me as ‘odd’. It’s going to take a ‘big shock’ to wake them up.

    Just like that woman Jean, who was filmed (aljazeera) asking perfectly sane and legitimate questions about what steps are being taken to progress towards a two state solution for the Palestinians, at the Labour Conference, Friends of Israel stall.
    “Nuts. That woman is nutty, and anti-Semitic”, said the Friends, who then filed a formal complaint against Jean.

    This is an elementary description of how the powers that be have anyone who stands in their way, removed.

    In our west, this shaming and blaming has gone on, on such a massive scale that the time is ripe, once again, for ‘the tanks to roll’..I say that as metaphor, as once upon a time our young family served in British Army on the Rhine/NATO.

    I am no longer brain-washed but I’m certainly an ‘outsider’/alien, just as our Saker. Fighting the good fight anyway.

    We don’t know, can’t possibly know what ‘they’ are going to do next. But we can be sure of our own position/next step. They might bring down another iron curtain, but an iron curtain is nothing in the eyes of God.

    We are all One.

    Peace

    • Andrew S MacGregor on April 02, 2018  ·  at 10:10 pm EST/EDT

      Dear Babushka,

      Have you read Margaret Humphrey’s book; “Empty Cradles”?

      And every Australian family has an ‘enemy’! It is called the government! Why is the government ‘the Enemy’? Because they lie. cheat, steal and murder! It’s called the Westminster system

      “Trust me! I’m from the government.”

      I learnt that after becoming a policeman.

      • Babushka on April 03, 2018  ·  at 1:46 am EST/EDT

        No I did not read that book Andrew. Too much like not only the job I’d left behind, but also a large slab of my own childhood. I spent three years in Scheyville Holding Centre, which before had served as Defence and before that as training farm for boys of the Dreadnought Scheme. Sooo much heartbreak and dislocation perpetrated by the Brits. When people tell me I should read The Fatal Shores, I feel as tho I’ve lived to survive them.
        At Windsor NSW primary school we celebrated 150 years of ‘white settlement’. That’s less than an eyeblink in the Life of our Planet.

        • Andrew S MacGregor on April 03, 2018  ·  at 6:47 am EST/EDT

          It tells an interesting story Babushka, of children taken from their mothers mostly in England, and then put in orphanages from South Africa to Canada, but then something surprising. In Australia they went to the RC Christian Brothers run orphanages, and when you think back to the wars between the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches and you have to wonder.

          I had an idea of putting three stories I had heard, the first from a friend who fought with the 2/5th in New Guinea, and then of the 42nd Black Watch in the 2nd battle of the Hook in Korea, and to then take on the story of the ‘orphans’ being transported like convicts to Australia.

          I can write a report, but I’m not confident about fiction.

          You talk about how tough you had it as a child; my mother had it even tougher I believe raising us children in an old farm house where my father and Uncle Percy put a wooden floor in the kitchen, of mum slaving over a copper with a fire underneath to wash the clothes and the same copper heating the water for a family bath one day a week.
          Strangely though we, the children never considered us to be poor, and most of our friends didn’t think about poverty either, and the status was totally irrelevant in our friendships.

          • Babushka on April 03, 2018  ·  at 5:56 pm EST/EDT

            Yes Andrew, the poverty was widespread, although “Lorded over” by the snooty establishment in far away places. We did indeed think the poverty was normal, and in the way of kids, we had unlimited freedom and fun.

            The real problems come though, with relationships. Children who have suffered severe emotional deprivation, neglect and abuse, tend to repeat those patterns into adulthood. All the education, university degrees and status do nothing to fill those holes in people’s souls. Ever.

            And that brings me back to the teachings of Christ: The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. Matthew 6:22

            I used that scripture to support something I wrote in a 3rd year philosophy paper on ‘alienation in the work force’.

            That was then, my intellectual understanding of that scripture.

            Only twenty years later did I actually realise I had worked and struggled, prayed and suffered and prayed some more, and survived, to achieve that single-eyed vision in our dualistic world.

            That ‘single eye’ of Christ is similar to the ‘third eye’ of Eastern traditions. A vastly different Mind-set to the ‘one-eyed’ view in the dualistic and so-called ‘normal’ mode which has the whole world arguing.

            Suffer the little children…always the victims

    • JJ on April 03, 2018  ·  at 4:07 am EST/EDT

      I was in teaching… so many students are damaged one academic said to me….recent reporys of teachers conference union about poor state of children and their upbringing…some schools washing kids dirty clothes for them…kids taking home food because they are hungry…https://uk.news.yahoo.com/teachers-warn-growing-poverty-crisis-230110288.html

      • Babushka on April 03, 2018  ·  at 5:28 pm EST/EDT

        I’m so sorry to read this JJ. It is a heartbreaking situation, for the nth time in human history.

        Children are the future of humanity; when they come into this world they bring with them sooooo much potential, as you would well know.

        I see it now in my grandchildren.
        I don’t even want them to go to school.
        Two of my adult offspring live permanently in the UK. If everyone does what they can, with what they have, where they are, we can help each other.

        I know that I would not be here, today, were it not for the kindness of strangers.

        Peace be with you

  6. cdvision on April 02, 2018  ·  at 7:50 pm EST/EDT

    It won’t be long now till the West raises the ante. In Syria or Crimea. I’m sure Russia is prepared.

    For now, they should be displaying the captured chemical weapons plants in Ghouta, and parading the captured special forces of US/UK/France/Israel.

    • Laika von old Monkshusen on April 02, 2018  ·  at 9:47 pm EST/EDT

      Well, it seems the West (‘the Nazis’, and so forth) want to raise the ‘iron curtain’ again. They (and their collaborators within the USSR) were behind the first one, as well. [it wouldn’t have been there under Stalin/Beria]
      Maria Zakharova (Vesti News vid.) is a pleasure to watch/listen to.

      • cdvision on April 02, 2018  ·  at 9:58 pm EST/EDT

        She certainly is. I do detect that patience is wearing thin, though, listening to her and Lavrov recently. No so much from Putin at present??

        Russia has certainly upped its game on the PR front, but the West is still fed propaganda by the MSM and the message isn’t getting through sufficiently.

    • JJ on April 03, 2018  ·  at 4:17 am EST/EDT

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FVhmSExXY5E

      Yesterdays Vladimir Soloverim programme might elucidate on these matters..main subject seems to be ukraine-Russia????…russian language.

      • JJ on April 03, 2018  ·  at 6:07 am EST/EDT

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5569733/Leaked-emails-Kremlin-prepared-pay-hacking.html

        Sighs…uk minister for security sincerely believes how Russia uses-used subversive techniques in Ukraine in order to “invade” the Donbass……showing how sincerely he is aware of how to protect the uk from Russian invasion is the continuing meme I assume….woukd be nice if cyberberkyt coukd trace rhe origin of these so clained emails..

  7. Babushka on April 02, 2018  ·  at 8:05 pm EST/EDT

    By Not participating in the madness, which is to establish a healthy boundary, the Russians are bringing onto their heads a whole lot more humiliation. There seems to me no end to the depravities at the disposal of the Russiaphobes. That is the name of the game being played by the political factions of the so-called west.
    It is on the shoulders of the people of the so-called west to keep their politicians honest. And we know from the story of Christ, how that ends.

    Strive for honesty, anyway.

    • Andrew S MacGregor on April 02, 2018  ·  at 10:16 pm EST/EDT

      Aye!

      And who was it that crucified Christ? The government of the day.

      • Babushka on April 03, 2018  ·  at 1:33 am EST/EDT

        It’s really good to meet you here Andrew, and to read your experiences of this Journey thru Life. Yes, it was the government of the day: the Roman colonists, who crucified the Christ, at the prompting of the Sanhedrin and the crowds. So nothing has changed, and we are to fight the fight wherever we confront injustice and need.
        Imagine if every girl and boy born onto this Planet was educated according to their gifts. And used those gifts for the greater good. Seems to me that is what Mr Putin and Maria Zakarhova are about. God bless them and all in the Saker community, especially the moderators, who are brilliant.

        • Anonymous on April 03, 2018  ·  at 4:26 pm EST/EDT

          No you both wrong.It was sons of Cain that did it.
          Stop this back slaping and look at the elephant,maybe touch it to make sure.

      • Anonymous on April 03, 2018  ·  at 1:50 am EST/EDT

        Hmmm! Are not the governments of today the same as the that ‘government of the day’?

        • Andrew S MacGregor on April 03, 2018  ·  at 9:26 am EST/EDT

          Some are Anonymous, some are, but others are not.

          One of the most important factors in government though are the leaders who rise during ‘hard times’ and VV Putin is the classic example in that, but also a unique example, I believe for all of the abilities he has demonstrated.

          I believe that the US will fold in a similar situation as what the USSR did back in 1990, and I hope that the US will then discover their own ‘Putin’ and be reborn like the Phoenix of old.

          And Babushka, I was born poor, and I will die poor, but all my life I have been rich, mostly because I never knew poverty. As Paul wrote in the book of Timothy, it is the love of gold that is the root of all evil.

    • Anonymous on April 03, 2018  ·  at 5:16 am EST/EDT

      I believe these arguments about the illegitimacy of “governments” are standard practice for encouraging “regime change” and “humanitarian intervention.”

  8. Friend on April 02, 2018  ·  at 8:07 pm EST/EDT

    I am not sure why even bother trying to convince Brits, OPCW and others to share their findings when it is obvious that accusation itself speaks of their true intention, and that is to frame Russia. I understand Russia must play by the book, respond in diplomatic manner, while, again, other side breaks all the rules, in the plain daylight, commits war crimes, supports terrorists and so on, and yet, we are trying to rationalize and somehow expect they would suddenly change and everything will be all right? We are dealing with psychopaths and unfortunately, they are capable of pushing the red button without looking back. What if anything can be done about it?

  9. Azorka1861 on April 02, 2018  ·  at 11:07 pm EST/EDT

    The Russian-American relations aren’t present more! What’s next?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzYHYNy3TXQ

    Urgently – The USA threaten Russia with economic isolation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4fmD9WZ5Kw

    The patience FINISHED! China starts TO DRENCH Americans! New THREAT to dollar!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKL7GW320EE

    Videos – You can change the language of the subtitles from Germam to English

    • Katherine on April 03, 2018  ·  at 6:57 pm EST/EDT

      I didn’t get any German subtitles, only russian closed captions.
      What is the main gist of the video?
      Katherine

  10. Bob Jackson on April 02, 2018  ·  at 11:28 pm EST/EDT

    Hearing “vot tak” at 5:29. I immediately thought of our beloved commentator. Quite an achievement, to make a common phrase indisputably your own.

  11. Bob Jackson on April 03, 2018  ·  at 12:26 am EST/EDT

    In February 1936, Churchill wrote in The Strand magazine that Hitler was the strong leader Germany needed.

    Miranda Seymour gives the reference in her 2013 book: “Noble Endeavours: the life of two countries, England and Germany, in many stories”.

    • Andrew S MacGregor on April 03, 2018  ·  at 11:09 am EST/EDT

      Hitler was also ‘The Times’ magazine man of the year for 1938

      • Katherine on April 04, 2018  ·  at 10:08 am EST/EDT

        It was Time magazine, not The Times (which in the USA at any rate means the NYT).

        Here is a two-fer:
        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-time-magazine-1938/

        “The German dictator was dubbed the “Man of the Year” by Time magazine in 1938, but that isn’t proof the “mainstream media” is unreliable.”

        that’s Snopes fer ya!!
        Pronouncing, as if it were part of a “fact check,” that Hitler’s being named Man of the Year has no wider implications about the media.

        Bear in mind who was in charge of Time Inc. —yep, the American Century guy, Henry Luce (“The American Century[1][2] is a characterization of the period since the middle of the 20th century as being largely dominated by the United States in political, economic, and cultural terms. . . . The term was coined by Time publisher Henry Luce to describe what he thought the role of the United States would be and should be during the 20th century.[6] Luce [was] the son of a missionary,”)

        This “missionary” spirit still drives a large portion of US self-image and foreign policy and is either genuinely unconscious or is “conveniently” unconscious. In either case it verges on pathology.

        Katherine

  12. Slobodan Cekic on April 03, 2018  ·  at 10:47 am EST/EDT

    ..Intelligent and beautiful :) Remember what kind of faces represent the State Department; really bears no comparison :)
    I cannot describe my joy because of that, and especially remembering the Soviet days.

  13. TXNR on April 03, 2018  ·  at 11:12 am EST/EDT

    Putting it simply? The words and demonstrations of this intelligent, brave woman will never be allowed to see daylight in the US.

  14. Katherine on April 03, 2018  ·  at 6:46 pm EST/EDT

    I htink it is a mistake to “mirror” what the USA/UK do.

    It looks as though Russian can’t think of anything else and lets USA/UK pull their chain.

    Makes it too easy for the USA/UK.

    Russia should come up with something sort of equivalant but different.
    Something that includes a good dose of passive aggression.

    In this particular interview I am not that impressed with Zacharova.
    Her analytical abilities are formidable and she is articulate.

    But something important is missing here.
    I sense a vibe of frustration in Solovyev.
    Like, Nu? This is not good enough.

    The RF response is colorless and plodding lacks imagination and inspiration. Inspiration is important.
    Get one over on the Brits that inflicts some pain but also elicits a laugh or little smile of satisfaction.

    I also think the “high road” stance is not very effective at this time for Zacharova.
    Instead I think Russia should come up with something that almost has a “joker” aspect, does some real damage, but in an unexpected way.

    Katherine

  15. Katherine on April 03, 2018  ·  at 8:04 pm EST/EDT

    I dunno.
    too many details, too much breathless talk, too many minor points and *way* too many constant digressions that obscure the point that MZ is trying to make at every stage of her response to Solovyev’s world-weary questions.
    She is missing he cues he is giving that he wants to hear something more than this stream of (in the context) minor points and rejoinders. As far as I can see, it is all reactive, I see no taking of the initiative to find a way to put a stop to the nonsense.
    MZ can field tons of anecdotes, dates, logical arguments—but it is all trees and no forest, the situation is still being framed in London/DC.
    Somehow Moscow has to figure out a way to get out ahead of the minutiae and drop some kind of PR bombshell.
    MZ has to stop talking nonstop and gulping for air, take a deep breath, and figure out a totally unexpected move on the board. Not just follow each pawn with another pawn.
    Katherine

  16. Katherine on April 03, 2018  ·  at 8:11 pm EST/EDT

    I htink it is a mistake to “mirror” what the USA/UK do.

    It looks as though Russian can’t think of anything else and lets USA/UK pull their chain.

    Makes it too easy for the USA/UK.

    Russia should come up with something sort of equivalant but different.
    Something that includes a good dose of passive aggression.

    In this particular interview I am not that impressed with Zacharova.
    Her analytical abilities are formidable and she is articulate.

    But something important is missing here.
    I sense a vibe of frustration in Solovyev.
    Like, Nu? This is not good enough.

    The RF response is colorless and plodding lacks imagination and inspiration. Inspiration is important.
    Get one over on the Brits that inflicts some pain but also elicits a laugh or little smile of satisfaction.

    I also think the “high road” stance is not very effective at this time for Zacharova.
    Instead I think Russia should come up with something that almost has a “joker” aspect, does some real damage, but in an unexpected way.

    It really is time to drop the “partner” nonsense.

    Katherine

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