Simple: to make sure that in case false flag happens (which is most likely) the US assets and “decision-making centers” are not annihilated. But that is not how it is going to work. While Biden declares:
Both sides know that militarily the US (and NATO) are impotent and Russia’s strategic ambivalence is what drives Washington crazy. After all, Russia may decide to go all in, but in this case it is not going to be 404 only. Who said that Baltic States can not be “included” in the package? There are so many possibilities. As RT reports further:
Should Russia take military action, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov on Saturday of a “resolute, massive and united trans-Atlantic response.” However, President Biden has thus far ruled out sending US troops to Ukraine, choosing instead to send thousands to Poland and Romania instead. Before speaking to Biden, Putin spoke to French President Emmanuel Macron by phone for nearly two hours. French officials told AFP that Putin wants an independent Ukraine that would remain out of the NATO alliance, something Western leaders have ruled out. Moscow has long insisted that NATO arms on its border would constitute an unacceptable security risk.
I am on record, Russia is not afraid of “sanctions” and there could be no any military response by NATO because the only response the US can offer militarily is a nuclear one, but even the most ludicrous hawks in D.C. want to live, with the exception of a dozen or two of total fanatics in US Admin and Congress. My guess will be, since, as I am also in record ad nauseam, US “strategists” (Council on Foreign Relations, Atlantic Council, AEI etc.) are one trick ponies, they developed a “strategy” (or, rather, strategery) which, as is always the case with cowardly bullies, was designed based on a faulty “understanding” of conflict and lack of knowledge of Russia, and the hope was for an initial bullying effect on Russia. They couldn’t calculate consequences because they do not have situational awareness. Russia responded in kind and continues to show a very big stick protruding from behind Russia’s back. And now, the US is cornered and is in panic mode, because Russia’s military exercises are a very good demonstrator of a military capability which IS excessive for hypothetical “invasion” of 404 but also sufficient to achieve much larger objectives. And Washington doesn’t know what those objectives may be. They panic now, because they have no idea. Staying in the dark is extremely unpleasant.
Milley’s called Gerasimov yesterday for a reason. Russia has enough forces to smash NATO in Eastern Europe without much effort. Here is just one example:
Submarines in the exercise areas are nothing new, Russia, US, UK do this all the time, what is new is that this one was detected and tracked within Russia’s territorial waters.
According to the ministry, a Virginia-class submarine belonging to the US Navy was detected on February 12, 2022 at 10.40 (Moscow Time) in the area of the Pacific Fleet’s drills near Iturup Island of the Kuril Islands. Under the guiding documents on protection of the Russian state border in the underwater environment, the crew of the Pacific Fleet’s frigate Marshal Shaposhnikov used appropriate means. The US submarine started a self-propelled simulator to split the target image on radar and acoustic control means into two parts and retreated from Russian territorial waters at a maximum speed, the ministry said.
And this very public move by Russia was also done for a reason–to demonstrate that there are enough forces to deal with any threat. Russia plans to start the exercises of a nuclear triad pretty soon too (in Russian). So, a lot of firepower on display. Scary, eh?
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USA and west surely are not so delusional playing a game that in evacuating Ukraine they think they are saying to Russia…now is your chance to invade even in the slightest bit.. take our skewbold “invitation” up we dare you or forever we will say yah boo sucks lost your nerve…if you do we can blame you forever as being a terrorist state. .. lose power of veto at UN (and all those lovely sanctions we desparately want to use and wetting ourselves about it then Putin must stand down as having ruined Russia ) …
if we let you attend ..maybe we eject you…..while we will have time to think up even more schemes to confront you and our brain damage delusional psychopathic neurosis is now confirmed yahoo release the shale oil to EU?
JJ
“now is your chance to invade even in the slightest bit”.
I fear not. You must have noticed that the Western media is saying nothing about Ukrainian troops massed against the Donbass. According to two Internet sources, half the Ukrainain Army, some 150.000 troops, have been amassed.
As far as I can see, Western accusations about “Russian aggression” is a psychological trick. What will probably happen is that Ukraine will launch an attack, Russia will respond in defensive assistance to the Donbass and in the process be accused of “aggression”, after which sanctions will be applied and Europe forced to accept American energy at the expense of Asia. Washington DC is playing a dangerous game, which can turn a heap of countries against it.
The US could never supply those quantities to the EU, 110 billion cubic metres gas per year through NS1 & NS2. Or just the 55 billion cubic metres through NS2. Even if they could it would take Germany a good 3/4 years building the infrastructure to receive . . . . . and at a minimum double the price, pushing prices even further up.
Whether Russia/Euro Partners receive Certification for NS2 or not , Spot Prices are double Contract Prices so they’ll be happy to shift half the gas for the same Revenue.
In the time Germany has the built LNG Infrastructure, the Russia-Mongolia-China Pipeline will be built and commissioned.
From Russia being a reliable Supplier, US/EU are now relying on Qatar and such diverting LNG from Asia to Europe, hmm, The Straights of HORMUZ,/Region could get volatile pretty quickly. lol
Further, these fancy prices US/Qatar/Australia need to charge the EU won’t do a lot of good for their Retail Indices; Asia will cut them on price with German companies losing market share and going out of business.
I wonder if Russia is still selling 700,000 barrels of Finished Product (Petrol) per day to American Refiners, 21 million bbls per month on average and was rising fast these last few years?
You can be sure also that not only the Ukrainians enjoyed transit fees of $2 billion per year but Germany also; they were diverting gas to Poland/Others and making nice returns, probably some of it would be converted to LNG there and shipped for higher prices in Asia.
In Short – EU screwed at every turn and German business leaders who just met Putin, will turn on Scholz/Baerbock, maybe more of them taking their Plants to Russia, although 6000 + companies are already operating in Russia in some capacity.
Hi. Do you know whether these 700,000 barrels are being procured in $US or Rubles?
Thanks.
Sorry, no idea! The Oil/Gas world is dirty and very secretive with little information coming out, only need to know.
5 Years or so back, they’d be buying Venezuela’s heavy crude, but with Sanctions . . . . Thankfully Iran is providing the Naphthalene-benzene to Venezuela to refine their crude.
Russia, China, Iran and Allies can’t allow their allies to become a failed state. Although Venezuela is now producing nearly 1 million bbls per day, that’s down from a high of 3.5 million bbls per day under Chavez.
The thing is, the globalist elite *want* the USA to be destroyed. So, if supplying gas to EU strains our supply, our leadership will only be too happy to create that scarcity and gouge Americans for it. And if the US provokes a war, as they seem intent on doing, our elite won’t mind if Russia and China kill off a whole bunch of Americans, because the elite aim to massively depopulate the planet, especially those people who know what a nice standard of living is and have expectations in that regard, like Americans and Europeans.
It looks like NATO and US want to repeat “Oluja” gig which tehy did in Croatia in 1995 when they expelled 250K Serbs out of their homes. They hope that sudden and brutal attack on civilians will create mass exodus of refugees that will move toward Russia and block broder crossings and roads so russian troops can’t get through to intervene.
Thereafter, ‘cleansed” Ukraine can join NATO as Croatia did.
Of course It should be “Oluja” 2.0.
The whole Yugoslavia ordeal was rehearsal for attack on Russia.
But plan went haywire, when sanction fizzled, unlike those against Serbia. The fact West continued with the same plan without this, the most important, brick in the wall, shows how stupid they became.
Maybe not stupid. Maybe they do not have ANY better option. Except to back off, and die silently of old age.
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” – M.T.
If Russia was planning to fight a defensive war, what her military posture look like?
First she would send her navy out onto the oceans so they can not be blockaded, she has done this.
There is no threat from the Arctic, the far East or Asia, China has there back and Iran can block any attack from the Middle East.
An attack from Northern Europe is not possible, it would be winter before forces were in place.
The only route to attack Russia is the traditional one, through The Ukraine.
If Russia was expecting such an attack she would reinforce that border.
Russia would train her forces to move men and equipment to her Western border as quickly as possible.
She would have equipment in place, awaiting the arrival of manpower to use it.
She would train with the Belorussian army and reinforce their equipment and station missile offence and defense units there in force.
I can not think of any defensive preparations Russia could carry out to fight a defensive war against NATO that she has not already done or recently trained for.
Russia is preparing to fight a defensive war against NATO, that is the only logical conclusion to come to.
Even if America could place her army on the European Continent, and rally all the NATO forces stationed there, they would have to attack through The Ukraine.
Even the very best military forces in the world with millions of men could not cross that border.
They would be destroyed, and damn foolish to try.
But there is no shortage of fools in America or her NATO allies.
Yes things are looking serious,here is Part 1 of a news conference held by the leader of the DNR on the current situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjslRUf0SDU&ab_channel=PatrickLancaster
Putin in January had said Russia would not stand for this much longer (the influx of weapons to Ukraine). Weeks, not months I believe was the language. But the US is currently shipping hundreds of tons into Ukraine. I don’t understand why Russia continues to allow this. Weeks are turning into months.
I think that Biden called Putin to tell him that if Russia responds to the USA false flag in a way that USA does not like, USA will either punish Russia economically or they will do an even more insane false flag.
Russia demanded that NATO military be withdrawn from the vicinity of its borders.
US and UK military are running away from Ukraine.
Looks like a result to me.
Pity the Ukrainian soldiers who have now seen the US / UK start a fight and then run away.
With friends like this ———-?
They exchanged phone numbers, so they’ll stay in touch.
Brothers in arms.
“Call when you get to Canada, bro.”
When I was a kid I was over exuberant. From around 31st October – 5th November ( Halloween – Bonfire Night ) a group of us would terrorise the Neighbourhood. not the immediate hood where everyone knew us, we were only half-daft, just far enough outside. We would light bangers (small squibs/fireworks but with a decent bang ) and push them through the letterbox of houses, run back down the path and crouch behind a hedge/wall (10-12) seconds and watch through the family’s front window as they watched TV, the resulting panic, fright, commotion. Who knows if we’d chosen the house of an elderly couple/widow and could have given them a heart attack.
But I was young and daft, not a great excuse, but aged 12/13 there’s scope for learning right from wrong, learning from mistakes, maturing.
Fast forward 30 years, these US/EU NATO Warmongers are behaving in the same reckless manner, albeit on a significantly grander scale, pushing, goading, salivating about spreading terror, unable to hide behind excuses, with no hope of improvement on a human level.
The ONLY way to STOP them is by being more brutal than them, STOP them in their tracks at source, defeat, humiliate, destroy their threatening Assets on ground. Send them home bloodied, tail between legs, tae think again.
Just six months ago they ran out of Afghanistan with their tails between their legs without telling their own puppets in the Afghan ‘government’!
I wonder if the Azov Skinheads are aware?
It doesn’t matter what Biden said or threatened. The US has no power or allies to do anything. Putin holds all the cards. He can squeeze Ukraine till it folds. He can bomb the Aegis systems. He can stroll into Kiev. He can expel NATO from the Balkans. And he can have a nice drink and sound sleep when it is done. The US blinked. NATO showed that it is hollow and divided. Putin just needs to decide how much he wants. That is all that is left to do and happen. With this in mind, let’s all forget about the false flag scenario. It doesn’t matter.
The US does have one staunch, yet pathetic, ally: Priest-ridden Poland. Comes in handy to stage all kinds of reactionary provocations at no cost to the US proper. There is a reason why Americans tell Polish jokes.
Leave it out mate, Warsaw don’t do Yank asslickery better than London- no one does.
Nice of the USA could become just another country, not a ‘superpower’ like it sez it is. I would love to become a citizen and inhabitant of an actual country like Netherlands or Belguim or Georgia….
Here’s hoping that Putin re-takes all of Ukraine back to the warm bosom of mother Russia, back where she belongs, with her own people. There is no reason Russia should allow even one hectare to be taken by the Atlantists, whose leaders are high on their own farts, a feckless and corrupt cabal of gangsters in nice suits.
US knows exactly what Russia wants to achieve. Destroy the Romanian missile base.
And the big trap for US right now is to say “you can’t destroy it because we can defend it”.
Then if it happened it would be the end of all US credibility in Europe (and in the great trade bifurcation might even encourage Eu countries to join in with China/Russia rather than stick with US).
So 1. refuse to mention Romania and if it happens they got a lucky shot in which we weren’t expecting.
2. Invent a phoney threat, explain how that would not involve a military response, and bluff it out as long as possible that the US is still somehow in control.
US/NATO will sacrifice Ukraine and baltic states for the sake of testing what Russia is able to do. I don’t know if people in baltic states protest against their own goverments and demand ”exit” from NATO.
Well there’s approximately 15% of folks in The Baltics who speak Russian who are most likely facing similar discrimination as in Ukraine.
Now the majority wanted FREEDOM and they are now FREE to go about collecting all the Firewood they can find to keep themselves warm.
A common factor or two, correlated for sure, is that all 3 countries (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia ) have lost between 22-32% of their population numbers since 1990, while their debt, under the auspices of Uncle Shimmy Sham has increased exponentially in the opposite direction.
CAN’T FIX STUPID
I’m sure the elites of the Baltics is very rich, now. They would say: “It was worth it!“
Yes, the same corrupt model as virtually everywhere else in western civilization, massive looting by the elites, facilitated by our own western governments, supposedly the representatives of their own people. The elite are now post-national and post-religion. Result? Depraved, atomized society filled with anxious, depressed people. People who work so hard and pay so many taxes to enrich their governments, governments who use that money and power to further destroy their own nations and people. This death spiral in western civilization needs to be stopped, though there’s no guarantee that it will. It’s a real shame.
BTW, at least 75% of USA adults take neurotoxins for their depression/anxiety. Their children, too, take a huge amount of neurotoxins as well as drugs for other physical ailments, probably to treat over-vaccination injuries. Very lucrative. This is not a sign of a healthy country. None of these ailments or diseases existed when I was young and society was not over-vaccinated. The idea that humans were not created perfectly by God and require human medical intervention is a current craze and very sick disorder that must by stopped. It is one of the greatest tyrannies of our time. Humans were created and equipped with all they need. We need to educate ourselves including the worship of God as well as exercise our bodies. Not much medical intervention is required, really, though the current medical model in the west is hyper-medicalized, with seniors spending their entire remaining years going to doctors, undergoing tests and procedures, taking pills and adjusting doses, etc. This is NOT natural. But westerners have been conditioned through media and our governments that it is natural and good to be a slave to pharmaceuticals. It’s not. It’s gross and so hyper-corporate.
Pity for the Baltics, they seem to get pushed around royally. So many Atlantists and 5th columnists in their governments and institutions (like almost all of the western countries). It’s understandable that Baltics may have historical fear of Russia occupying them, but times have changed and surely the people of the Baltics are able to see this? There is no more Soviet Union and it’s the US, not Russia, who goes around unilaterally, illegally invading and destroying country after country. Don’t Baltic people see what happens to countries that the Atlantists have “brought democracy to,” destroyed to smithereens, infrastructure gone, millions dead? Life might be so much better for the Baltics if they formed strong partnership/alliance with Russia as China and other countries have. Don’t they see that? What is this Atlantist iron grip that prevents the poor Baltics from breaking loose and serving their own splendid people?
What is interesting about the Russian detection of a Virginia class US nuclear submarine in Russian territorial waters is this ; (from Moon of Alabama).
The crew of the submarine was given a message in Russian and English via underwater communication: “You are in the territorial waters of Russia. Surface immediately!”
How did the Russians transmit the message?
Did they use the same channels the US uses to communicate between HQ in the US and the sub, because if they did, that rather implies that the Russians have open access to those communication channels.
Or, were the Russians able to broadcast sound underwater, through the submarine’s hull?
Just imagine, there you are, slinking along under water, feeling smug that you are completely undetected, and then this loud voice booms in your ear, “You are in the territorial waters of Russia. Surface immediately!”
No wonder they departed the scene hastily, probably needing a change of underwear.
President Putin didn’t bring it up with Biden during their talks:
https://tass.com/politics/1402431
“Putin, Biden mum on US submarine incident near Kuril Islands – Kremlin aide. The Kremlin is aware about the incident and the Russian Defense Ministry is taking the respective demarches….”
Shoigu and his team have been left to deal with this.
The US laid the groundwork for this provocation earlier this week when Rahm Emanuel (yes that one), the US Ambassador to Japan, said they didn’t recognise Russia’s sovereignty over the Kuril islands:
https://tass.com/world/1399083
So not surprising they just went into Russian waters and attempted a provocation. To hell with International law.
The Pentagon is denying a US submarine entered Russian territorial waters.
A deliberate provocation would involve a surface ship, not a clandestine attempt at infiltration by a submarine.
Unless the US was hoping that the Russians would sink the submarine, thereby providing the excuse for war that Biden and Johnson are seeking so desperately. (As with HMS Defender off Crimea.)
It is time the US Military mutinied, before their Government gets them all killed. Defending the homeland is one thing, but these evil and revolting antics that the US and UK are involved in are something else.
>>The US ambassador to Japan also expressed the view that “Russia’s disregard for the sovereignties of others is also not new, nor is it limited to the Northern Territories,” noting that he spoke with the Ukrainian ambassador to Japan on Monday. He mentioned Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, repeating recent accusations from the West that Russia is allegedly concentrating troops on its border with Ukraine.>>
That mother***** Rahm Emmanuel should be reminded that the US continues to illegally occupy Syria’s oil fields, while his home country Israel is holding onto ancestral Palestinian lands.
Kuril Islands were given to the USSR based on the Yalta agreements and there’s no question of Russia’s sovereignty over those lands whatsoever.
How did the Russians transmit the message?
I think there are internationally accepted frequencies on which these communications take place.
To the best of my knowledge submarines cannot receive radio transmissions under water unless the send up an receiver buoy.
Though the Russians are seemingly way ahead of western technology in terms of warfare. US throws its taxpayers’ money down ratholes, paying off fatcats who produce military technology that is flawed or does not work (like F35 fighter jets that malfunction in the rain). Like everything else in the west, it’s all corruption and the corrupt, lying media is used to tell stories about all the great things these thieves are doing for us. Meanwhile, President Putin closely watches and cares for his country’s tax dollars and uses them well, a true steward to his country and people.
Eric, I was moderately familiar with subcom years ago…the physics hasn’t, I believe, changed. None of this is really secret. Subs were a hobby interest, and I worked on civil nukes alongside x-submariners, they chatter.
So here’s my best opinion>
Buoy, yes, for transmit-receive, also retractable antenna from sail at near surface. These are HF antennas and transmission in HF gives away your position instantly. (nazi U-boots late in WW2 used HF and transmitted morse in HF in bursts of compressed morse to reduce RDF location opportunities, with limited success) However receive (not transmit) of VLF may be, is, by spooling out a very long wire encased in a low density (floating) plastic like polyethylene…again this require sub to be very near surface and move slowly – and surface weather is a factor. Transmission via VLF from sender jim creek (and there are, I think, other senders – but these are vastly large installations with miles of VLF antenna arrays – everybody knows their coordinates) Transmission in VLF follows a schedule, and the schedule is supposed to be random – the boat and the shore station both have the schedule when boat leaves port, and it changes, is not predictable. When boat is near surface it’s more liable to detection, especially by MAD – which is pretty short range and ya’gotta get lucky with your airborne surveillance. Smoothiex12 speaks to that, I think. VLF frequency is low, it’s a global transmission and everybody who cares knows the specific Hz – something like 60 Hz perhaps, I forget. The baudrate for VLF is totally phucked – basically morse ditdah. Modern phased array RDF is nearly instant. Nowadays it may, I think, also be possible to use laser in specific narrow spectrum IR frequency to which the sea is not opaque, either from retractable mast or, possibly, in clean water, from near surface – to satellite, if suitable to sat schedule…that’s speculation on my part, but I have read a bit about such schemes. Boats have “check-in” schedule, they’re supposed to report, in part so navy knows that when they miss a scheduled check-in there’s a degree of alarm – for example only in emergency or in a near-the-enemy, or if boat is destroyed or damaged would they miss a check-in. Missing one is probably not a big deal, but missing several is big deal. The VLF sender transmits, obviously, in crypto. Boat leaves port with decrypt. It used to be in 5 letter groups and the decrypt is a one time use. Of course sender can go plaintext, if it’s desirable that the enemy read the message. In clean reasonably calm water boat is quite visible from above…picture example are online…unless she’s very deep.
Acoustical location of subs is complicated by salinity and temperature gradients – near surface the acoustical location by emissions from sub machinery tends to duct – and makes location finding much easier, ie subs tend to prefer deep and cold abyssal sea, as the gradient bends and scatters sounds like a lens, which it is. In the present instance I wonder what depth the bottom is…Virginia may have been near surface due to shallow depth of sea, not wishing to bump into the rocks…or at periscope depth (60 feet? under keel) taking a look-see at evil dictator’s ships. Either way not so hard to discover the boat. That’s speculative, but a look at charts would suggest deep/shallow situation.
Read ARRL antenna handbook and do some sleuthing ’round, there aren’t really any secrets except the schedules and the crypto.
RF has her own sender “jim creek”, but I know very little about how they implement subcom.
It’s not a radio system, so no frequencies are relevant.
Sound waves travel though water the same as they travel through the air. They just do it a little faster. any hydrophone will detect them.
US communicates HQ to Sub via VLF radio. Transmitter facility locus @ Jim Creek. Sub cannot receive unless it is near the surface. This is a one-way system. see>https://historylink.org/File/20778
Of course the sub can transmit too, but only from surface and either by HF or satellite link. Subs don’t surface, as a general rule, as, obviously, this obviates the entire reason for a submarine, and, again, obviously, transmitting is even worse breach.
Jim Creek is bigbig target, obviously.
The west cannot comprehend that it is not in the same class as Russia in terms of capability, militarily, nor diplomaticaly.
That the USA now shows that its allies are lap dogs and that the lap dogs now begin to understand how they have been played. The end game approaches, which the USA assumed it could dictate. Now sees its folly.
The pain level has been ramped up. Sadly when Natos command and control centres will be targeted, including the USA that understanding will sink in.
Americas nuclear sub got the message.
Pat was there ever a time when the US-UK-Canada acted first and foremost in the interest of their public. Their recent actions would determine not.
See the folks they arm in their foreign soirees are ‘moderate’ terrorists while those lorry drivers and the like in Ottawa are fully fledged homegrown terrorists. Less you forgot!
What you sow. So shall ye reap.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
Another example of “military technical ” application.As was the episode of bringing Ireland to its senses with the shifting of announced naval exercises very recently after the fishermen did the job of the minister for defence and foreign affairs.This will continue with further demonstrations which will be denied by west as reported above.
Onwards and upwards .Ireland would do well to distance itself from this madness of NATO.
I recall a day or two after the first lock down started, my wife and I witnessed on two occasions two NATO fighter jets flying on an approach to Dublin airport about 5,000 feet higher than the civilian aircraft would normally be at and much faster too although still subsonic.
Ireland does not possess such aircraft.This one act demonstrates the arrogance of NATO by violating empty airspace (civilian flights were stopped) Ireland is not a NATO member or aspirant, by flying on what would normally be dangerous on such an approach path to a major airport.
In a way this shows how the “military technical phycological” I add extra word ,are worlds apart.
If Putin/Xi took out the entire WEF, the world would rally behind them.
ПОРЯДОК
ПРИМЕНЕНИЯ ОРУЖИЯ И БОЕВОЙ ТЕХНИКИ ПРИ ЗАЩИТЕ
ГОСУДАРСТВЕННОЙ ГРАНИЦЫ РОССИЙСКОЙ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ
В ПОДВОДНОЙ СРЕДЕ
1. Настоящий Порядок, разработанный в соответствии со статьями 32 и 35 Закона Российской Федерации “О Государственной границе Российской Федерации”, регулирует применение оружия и боевой техники (оружие военных кораблей (воздушных судов), специальные средства обнаружения и поражения подводно-диверсионных сил) военнослужащими Военно-Морского Флота, других видов Вооруженных Сил Российской Федерации ….
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2. Оружие и боевая техника применяются в соответствии с требованиями, определенными статьей 35 Закона Российской Федерации “О Государственной границе Российской Федерации”.
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4. Оружие военных кораблей (воздушных судов) применяется по решению:
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командира военного корабля (воздушного судна) – для подачи установленного звукового сигнала;
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командующего флотом – для осуществления предупредительного бомбометания (гранатометания);
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начальника Генерального штаба Вооруженных Сил Российской Федерации – на поражение нарушителя государственной границы, находящегося в подводном положении.
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5. Командир военного корабля (воздушного судна) перед применением оружия на поражение обязан:
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а) уточнить местоположение своего корабля (воздушного судна);
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б) подать нарушителю установленный звуковой сигнал, означающий, что он находится в территориальном море Российской Федерации и во избежание применения в отношении его оружия ему надлежит немедленно всплыть в надводное положение и остановиться.
Указанный сигнал подается с использованием взрывных источников звука с дистанции, позволяющей нарушителю обнаружить его, и может быть продублирован с использованием гидроакустических средств;
в) доложить командующему флотом (в случае отсутствия в течение 10 минут реакции нарушителя на установленный звуковой сигнал) и по его приказанию при наличии достоверных данных о местоположении нарушителя относительно военного корабля (воздушного судна) выполнить предупредительное бомбометание (гранатометание), обеспечив при этом гарантированное непопадание в нарушителя, а также другие суда и воздушные суда, находящиеся в районе обнаружения нарушителя;
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г) доложить командующему флотом (в случае отсутствия в течение 10 минут реакции нарушителя на предупредительное бомбометание (гранатометание) и по его приказанию при соблюдении условий, упомянутых в подпункте “в” настоящего пункта, выполнить повторное предупредительное бомбометание (гранатометание);
(пп. “г” в ред. Постановления Правительства РФ от 11.03.2015 N 210)
д) доложить командующему флотом о выполнении всех предусмотренных настоящим Порядком предупредительных действий в отношении нарушителя, продолжить слежение за ним и быть готовым к применению оружия на поражение.
6. Применение оружия на поражение нарушителя командир военного корабля (воздушного судна) осуществляет только по решению начальника Генерального штаба Вооруженных Сил Российской Федерации, а об окончании применения оружия на поражение незамедлительно докладывает командующему флотом.
(в ред. Постановления Правительства РФ от 11.03.2015 N 210)
7. С момента обнаружения нарушителя командир военного корабля (воздушного судна) о всех своих действиях и действиях нарушителя докладывает на управляющий командный пункт флота.
(в ред. Постановления Правительства РФ от 11.03.2015 N 210)
8. В случаях когда преследование нарушителя было начато во внутренних морских водах или территориальном море Российской Федерации, велось непрерывно после подачи установленных сигналов об остановке с дистанции, позволяющей нарушителю услышать их, когда были исчерпаны все обусловленные сложившимися обстоятельствами меры, необходимые для прекращения нарушения и задержания нарушителя, а также при оказании им вооруженного сопротивления оружие военных кораблей (воздушных судов) может применяться против нарушителя за пределами внутренних морских вод и территориального моря Российской Федерации до его захода в территориальное море своей страны или третьего государства.
(в ред. Постановления Правительства РФ от 11.03.2015 N 210)
Оружие не применяется при условиях, не позволяющих обеспечить гарантированное непопадание в другие суда и воздушные суда, и при скоплении людей, когда могут пострадать посторонние лица.
(в ред. Постановления Правительства РФ от 11.03.2015 N 210)
9. Оружие и боевая техника могут применяться без предупреждения при отражении вооруженного вторжения, внезапном или вооруженном нападении на военнослужащих и граждан, корабли (суда) и воздушные суда, а также при вооруженном сопротивлении или побеге с оружием задержанных нарушителей.
(в ред. Постановления Правительства РФ от 11.03.2015 N 210)
10. Если нарушитель выпустил аварийно-сигнальное устройство, обозначающее его место, или если он всплыл в надводное положение и не имеет хода либо передает сигналы о том, что нуждается в помощи, командир военного корабля (воздушного судна) обязан запросить его государственную принадлежность, доложить командующему флотом и действовать в соответствии с его решением.
(в ред. Постановления Правительства РФ от 11.03.2015 N 210)
11. Уполномоченные должностные лица Министерства обороны Российской Федерации незамедлительно (но не позднее одних суток) сообщают:
в Министерство иностранных дел Российской Федерации о каждом случае производства предупредительных выстрелов и применения оружия и боевой техники на поражение иностранных нарушителей;
в соответствующий следственный орган Следственного комитета Российской Федерации о каждом случае применения оружия и боевой техники, повлекшем ранение или гибель людей.
(в ред. Постановления Правительства РФ от 07.12.2011 N 1013)
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_25085/c4c18bada9649bf1015451db2068830be89728a0/
Yandex translation. Mod:
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THE USE OF WEAPONS AND MILITARY EQUIPMENT IN DEFENSE
THE STATE BORDER OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
IN AN UNDERWATER ENVIRONMENT
1. This Procedure, developed in accordance with Articles 32 and 35 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On the State Border of the Russian Federation”, regulates the use of weapons and military equipment (weapons of warships (aircraft), special means of detecting and defeating underwater sabotage forces) by military personnel of the Navy, other types of Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ….
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
2. Weapons and military equipment are used in accordance with the requirements defined by Article 35 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On the State Border of the Russian Federation”.
…
4. Weapons of warships (aircraft) are used by decision of:
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
commander of a warship (aircraft) – to give a set sound signal;
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
the commander of the fleet – for the implementation of preventive bombing (grenade throwing);
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation – to defeat the violator of the state border, who is in an underwater position.
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
5. The commander of a warship (aircraft), before using weapons to kill, is obliged to:
(as amended. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
a) specify the location of your ship (aircraft);
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
b) give the violator an established sound signal, meaning that he is in the territorial sea of the Russian Federation and in order to avoid the use of weapons against him, he must immediately surface and stop.
The specified signal is transmitted using explosive sound sources from a distance that allows the intruder to detect it, and can be duplicated using sonar;
c) report to the commander of the fleet (in the absence of the violator’s reaction to the established sound signal within 10 minutes) and, on his order, if there is reliable data on the location of the violator relative to the warship (aircraft), perform a warning bombing (grenade throwing), while ensuring guaranteed non-falling into the violator, as well as other vessels and aircraft located in the area of detection of the violator;
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
d) report to the commander of the fleet (in the absence of the violator’s reaction to the warning bombing (grenade throwing) within 10 minutes and, on his order, subject to the conditions mentioned in subparagraph “b” of this paragraph, perform repeated warning bombing (grenade throwing);
(pp. “g” in the ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
e) report to the commander of the fleet on the implementation of all preventive actions provided for by this Procedure in relation to the violator, continue tracking him and be ready to use weapons to kill.
6. The commander of a warship (aircraft) carries out the use of weapons to defeat an intruder only by decision of the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and immediately reports to the fleet commander about the end of the use of weapons to kill.
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
7. From the moment of detection of the violator, the commander of the warship (aircraft) reports on all his actions and the actions of the violator to the fleet control command post.
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
8. In cases where the prosecution of the violator was initiated in the internal sea waters or the territorial sea of the Russian Federation, it was conducted continuously after the submission of the established stop signals from a distance allowing the violator to hear them, when all the measures necessary to stop the violation and detain the violator were exhausted due to the circumstances, and also when they provide armed resistance, the weapons of warships (aircraft) can be used against the violator outside the internal sea waters and the territorial sea of the Russian Federation before he enters the territorial sea of his country or a third state.
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
Weapons are not used under conditions that do not allow for guaranteed non-falling into other vessels and aircraft, and when people are crowded, when unauthorized persons may be injured.
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
9. Weapons and military equipment may be used without warning when repelling an armed invasion, a sudden or armed attack on military personnel and citizens, ships (vessels) and aircraft, as well as during armed resistance or escape with weapons of detained violators.
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
10. If the violator has released an emergency signaling device indicating his place, or if he has surfaced in a surface position and does not have a stroke or transmits signals that he needs help, the commander of a warship (aircraft) is obliged to request his nationality, report to the commander of the fleet and act in accordance with his decision.
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 11.03.2015 N 210)
11. Authorized officials of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation immediately (but not later than one day) inform:
to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation about each case of the production of warning shots and the use of weapons and military equipment to defeat foreign violators;
to the relevant investigative body of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation about each case of the use of weapons and military equipment that resulted in injury or death of people.
(ed. Resolutions Government of the Russian Federation from 07.12.2011 N 1013)
Thanks for posting this, I was wondering about the post-warning steps. When a ship does a “sound to water” communication to a sub, does everyone in the sub hear it or only the guy manning the sonar radar hears it? Very demoralizing if everyone on the sub could hear the warning broadcast. Being near an explosion underwater in a sub has got to be surreal. More than one will probably not step foot back on a sub after experiencing that.
Two bombing warnings within such a short period of time does not bode well, hope third time is same – a running away with tucked tail ending…
The Bends – loss of control of your sphincter – p*ss & sh*t your pants.
Where are all those great US submarine commanders, like, Richard Widmark, Humphrey Bogart, William Holden, Rock Hudson, Edward G Robinson, Commander Bond, that we see in the movies, they always slipped passed the opposition undetected? What do ya mean dead, that’s no excuse. Biden’s braindead, doesn’t mean he can’t run the Oval Office, albeit badly . . . . . for land forces I reckon, Arnie, Sylvester and Bruce Willis as Steven Segal is working for Putin and can’t be trusted.
Arnie, Sylvester and Bruce Willis…….rubbish, muscle over brains.
Us Britz have got 3 action heroes no one can touch: Johnny English, Austin Powers, Danger Mouse…..take that Russia!…..Pow!
Still, no one touches Frenchie Clouseau, who happens to be English and a Goon . . . . probably the world’s greatest comedy actor – How I Learned To Love The Bomb – Dr. Strangelove.
He’d sort out 10 Down-syndrome Street in a jiffy, just like comedienne Zelensky dun for lesser now Ukrainia.
Mind you, your namesake and Family take a lot of beating, old chap.
You should see what mummy has got hidden down the cellar of Buck House….
February 12, 2022 5:15pm EST.
NATO’s objectives in Eastern Europe follow the U.S. State Department’s “BBB” (Bribing, Bullying, Bombing) foreign policy strategy that has been successful over the course of decades to obtain a lesser nation’s natural resources for exploitation and consumption.
1. Economically – sell expensive energy to the EU by coercion to shutdown Russia’s Nord Stream 2.
2. Militarily – position men and material assets to directly intimidate and threaten war against Russia.
3. Politically – convince other nations of the world that Russia is the provocateur, not the U.S.-NATO consortium.
The U.S. believes its three-prong strategy will eventually wear down Russia and force it to capitulate to its demands. Russia has countered by building relationships with eastern countries, principally China that are beneficial economically and defensively.
A notion by the U.S. that a Russian deception (“false flag”) is being planned has been carried by the western media propaganda machine to bolster support for NATO’s growing presence in the region in order to save the Ukraine should invasion occur.
Washington asks for dialogue with the Kremlin to make it appear they wish to avoid bloodshed but have offered nothing but platitudes and Russia’s patience is reaching a limit that even the most principled diplomat can endure.
The chess clock in this gambit is a festering abscess that swells with morbid pus. What will cause the boil to break open and spread the poison of death and destruction?
The American and European citizenry are not a factor that could pressure Washington and/or Brussels to back off. The U.S. political party apparatus shows a great deal of disapproval with the Biden Administration as far as the domestic economy, the pandemic, the southern border fiasco, etc. but will not move the needle towards commonsense action concerning Eastern Europe.
Russia waits and waits and waits while U.S.-NATO pours more offense arms into the Black Sea region.
NATO is 30 countries; at this time, Russia stands alone.
On February 4, 2022, Russian and China signed an agreement of which it stated, “China and Russia have declared that they are against the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) as it approached the Black Sea region and started to try to contain Russia in the latest Ukraine-Russia conflict.”
See: https://theasiatoday.org/editorials/russia-china-partnership-agreement/ .
So with a handshake, China has carefully dipped its toe into the swirling eddy that will become a tempest for sure. But a handshake is more symbolic like polite words rather than a punch in the gut.
China needs to act now by sending warships into the Black Sea Region and docking at the Sevastapol Naval Base on a “goodwill tour” for the duration of this showdown.
I am in no way suggesting this act is of tactical necessity, for Russia can easily handle herself. It is a like castle move in chess where China is the Rook; it makes the opponent think a hidden strategy is in play
I have written before ad nauseam that China has to do more than ‘walk the talk.’ and I’ve been chastised for it. But I believe the Dragon has to bare its teeth sooner than later and this is the time to do it, in my opinion.
NATO is 4 countries max. Probably 1
It is 1……with 29 lickspittles.
Maybe one Banking Family or Corporate Head/Group, like Rothschild or Warren Buffett. Do they open their books to the Public Auditor ( Let’s see, 100 missiles into Syria @ 1.2 million each, Arming & Training HTS new recruits in Jordan, year ending 2021, $174 million, these guys love their kebobs . . . . )? I reckon they’re having a good tug and laugh whoever they are. When Trump called for more money from members, he probably realised he needed more contributions to get his own cut.
Anyhow in the interest of protecting the public taxpayer it’s best we are kept in the dark . . . for our own safety.
I think Andrei Martyanov is correct. It is the ambiguity which is driving the US crazy. No need for China to say or do anymore at this time.
Remember it is China that poses the existential threat to Empire. Russia is in the way, like a guardian of a future multipolar world. So Russia must be cowered or slapped down to get to China.
Ambiguity there also, as to what Russia will do if AUKUS becomes more than China can handle in choking shipping lanes in the South China Sea.
Russia has endured several attacks on their military personnel in recent years from the US/Israel/NATO that surely would amount to reasonable cause for war, and yet Putin restrains himself, because he does not want it, God bless him. War could have been started years ago, US has been provoking Putin relentlessly, but Putin/Xi are civilized and do not want to pursue this destructive agenda, so hard on their own people and countries, as well as much of the world. But the US is provoking so hard these days, pretty sure it’s in part because they want Russia/China to kill off many of the western people, who do not want war and do not have any problem with Russia or China. The best solution might be for Russia/China to target all the western billionaires, including arms traders and media captains, in order to bring the west to bay. Russia/China could find excellent Americans to work with them to create peaceful multipolar world where we build and trade together, not destroy each other’s countries and millions of people.
Putin had better watch out! We’ve got Liz Truss and her little tank!! And our shiny new aircraft carrier, HMS White Elephant!! And that’s not counting all the elite US units, Transsexual Team Six and the 3rd Heavy Lesbians! If that doesn’t deter Vlad, nothing will.
Insidious Putin, aka Vlad Dracula, aka the White Walker, aka Darth Vader, … will send the same crazy, morons and degenerates into battle.
This is his sinister and cunning Plan!
And finally the Earth will breathe freely… together with God.
I thought HMS Sitting Duck was doing donuts in the South China Seas to ‘contain’ the evil dragon?
From Sitting Duck to Crispy Duck, in the blink of a eye…..
This is also a cunning and cruel operational-strategic military plan – to force the enemy to die of laughter!
Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Suvorov, Clausewitz … in comparison with the authors of this strategy, they are just children!
The last news I read of the HMS something carrier was when she lost a F-35 overboard in the Mediterranean. Not much news since.
The F-35 ‘did a Maxwell’.
:D
Hahaha! Good one.
По “Вирджинии” был применен “упредительно” ракетный противолодочный комплекс РПК-8:
– глубинный подрыв подводных снарядов (бомб) реактивной бомбометной установки РБУ-6000 “Смерч-2” (96 РГБ-60) с выносом точки прицеливания в сторону.
Translation. Mod:
On the Virginia, the RPK-8 anti-submarine missile system was used “pre-emptively”: – Deep detonation of underwater shells (bombs) of the RBU-6000 “Smerch-2” (96 RGB-60) rocket launcher with the aiming point to the side.
Andrew
Thanks. Do you have a source for that information?
I am not a Russian speaker, but many here are.
It’d be great to verify that info.
Thanks
There are no sources, but this is standard practice, ask any moreman.
Launch of RSL-60 with RBU-6000, – according to the rules, instructions, orders, – 3 (three) underwater explosions with an interval of 1 (one) minute, this is a signal for the submarine to surface.
As a rule, bombing is used together with work on the GAS object (hydroacoustic station) – active hydroacoustic sendings along the bearing to the detected target, flesh up to sonic impacts on the boat hull, like a hammer on an anvil.
Moreover, with an imitation of the frequency of parcels when working out target designation when going on the attack.
They held the nuclear submarine, apparently, tightly. Kohl even had to use a simulator. Otherwise it would not come off.
“Probably” on the “Marshal” they installed a new HAK with GPBA (hydroacoustic station with a flexible extended towed antenna).
Here is the source of the basis for law enforcement: Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation “PROCEDURE FOR THE USE OF WEAPONS AND MILITARY EQUIPMENT IN THE PROTECTION OF THE STATE BORDER OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION IN THE UNDERWATER ENVIRONMENT”
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_25085/c4c18bada9649bf1015451db2068830be89728a0/
Expansion of the NATO was consequence of deep crisis in USSR. Retreat will be result of declining of US. Simple as that.
US suffers multiple “diseases” that killed USSR. Gerontocraty, wealth transfer from people to privileged elite, huge drop in motivation of working class, spoiled and privileged minorities, corruption in military,…. the list is long.
It is hard to compare strengths precisely, but when add China into mix, US is ready for war less than USSR was in 1989.
In present state, if forced to retreat only to 1997. positions, NATO should consider itself lucky.
The worst case is that US will follow path of USSR, into disolution. And all horrors that came with it.
There was no WW3 then, hopefully won’t be one now.
“The worst case is that US will follow path of USSR, into disolution. And all horrors that came with it.”
That’s not the worst case scenario, that’s the best case scenario.
Depends on one’s point of view. For the average US person, especially retirees living on pensions or maybe no pension, and never had a say in any of the crap the US has done to its own people, the worst. Dimitri Orlov talks about what the long awaited collapse would mean. Worse than the USSR.
But at least, for the rest of the world, a sigh of relief, if not schadenfreude.
‘Too bad, they had it coming’.
Of course I pity the civilians who had no say in this, anywhere. But only the dissolution of the present United States, through internal collapse, armed revolution or other means, will ensure the safety of mankind.
This is an inevitable scenario, but Russia and China will do everything possible to prevent this from becoming a global tragedy.
RuShina will disconnect the patient from the apparatus of prolonging survival artificially slowly and smoothly so that the wreckage of the world economy does not hurt.
And not only for the sake of world’s economy, but above all, for efficent control of US nuclear arsenal.
I agree, and that includes.
Control over nuclear weapons is an important, if not the most important argument.
When Russia and China stop using USD for trade, US will not be able to afford to maintain NATO and our thousand military bases/posts around the world. Heaven will rejoice that day, but grieve for the poor westerners who work so hard, pay taxes and have leadership that want them gone and replaced with people from 3rd world countries who are grateful to live in a place with plumbing and have low expectations for salaries. The deal is: You can be depraved, lawless, sexually libertine, and work till you drop dead, and in exchange the leaders will pay the lowest wages they can get away with while trafficking humans and using them in horrifying ways, while manipulating markets for obscene profits, including imposition of unnecessary and toxic “vaccines” (i.e., experimental injections that bring about some kind of creepy transhumanism if not death). This is the globalist promise of a secular world, replacing the Christian ethics that informed and built western civilization and all its best attributes, including truth, beauty, goodness, love.
Staying in the dark is extremely unpleasant.
Yes, absolutely. Uncertainty can be extremely unpleasant indeed. Effect of RF strategic ambiguity is beginning to tell on the US. Biden also needs to know what transpired between Putin and Macron in their phone call earlier in the day; I suspect Macron has not told him.
RF and the US are now in a tug o’ war…over the hearts and minds of the Euros (ie France and Germany, with perhaps Italy in tow; Turkey is out, not playing the game) with both showing signs of growing a rudimentary spine, and straying away from the grazing ground.
RF has continued to retain the initiative in this stand-off: Zelensky, whose army has increased shelling of the Donbass throughout the frontline this year but who now realises that he is being hung up to dry by his erstwhile benefactor, is now squealing like a pig trapped in a vice. The US’s British kapo has proven to be useless in marshalling Nato — no French or German troops deployed to the Ukraine, not even symbolically.
The US — which has no intention of being involved in a shooting war in the first place, only to start one — and its kapo now find themselves rather alone in a mess of their own making and we are witnessing a desperate rearguard action.
That rearguard action probably involves a false flag event — I am guided by RF action, the evacuation of RF diplomatic personnel from Kiev, in this — possibly, as I’ve said before, executed behind Zelensky’s back.
Scholz is due to meet VVP on Monday. Hopefully common sense will prevail then; if not, we’re going to start seeing IDPs and UNHCR refugee camps in Europe, and a remake of George Harrison’s ‘Concert for Bangladesh’ — perhaps organised in Austria — soon.
It’s a shame – the Russian Navy has created another electronic portrait of the quietest nuclear submarine in the American Metagalaxy)))
US submarine did not enter Russian territorial waters, the Pentagon says
There is no truth to the Russian claims of our operations in their territorial waters, US Navy Captain Kyle Raines, the US Indo-Pacific Command spokesman, told
WASHINGTON, February 13. /TASS/. The US Department of Defense presented its version in connection with the incident with the US nuclear-powered submarine near the Kuril Chain, according to which the submarine was moving in international waters.
“There is no truth to the Russian claims of our operations in their territorial waters,” US Navy Captain Kyle Raines, the US Indo-Pacific Command spokesman, told TASS. “I will not comment on the precise location of our submarines but we do fly, sail, and operate safely in international waters,” he noted.
According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the US Navy’s Virginia-class submarine was detected on February 12, 2022 at 10.40 am (Moscow Time) in the area of the Pacific Fleet’s drills near the Urup Island of the Kuril Chain. The submarine ignored the demand to leave Russia’s territorial waters and left only after the appropriate means were used.
https://tass.com/world/1402443
Navy disputes Russia’s claims that it chased a US sub out of its waters
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/02/12/russians-claim-they-chased-us-sub-out-of-their-waters/
It does not matter very much if the Virginia-class sub was operating in RF territorial waters or not.
The important thing is it was found out and, as you say, RF Navy has now got its signature to be added to the library.
The Tass report mentioned ‘appropriate means’ — ASW rockets fired ala HMS Defender? Kudos to RF Navy ASW operators.
Zionism destroys everything it touches, everything. It’s currently going thru the process of tearing itself apart, this will include unexpected places – it has no idea of how life works. Not everyone lives thru such interesting times – stay safe and enjoy the show.
Zionism… Interesting synonym of imperialism.
From Colonel Cassad.
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7439978.html
The invasion was postponed to February 16
“1. Germany officially calls on all Germans to leave Ukraine as soon as possible and closes the consulate in Dnepropetrovsk.
2. Belgium recommends that all Belgian citizens leave the territory of Ukraine.
3. Britain officially withdraws military instructors from the territory of Ukraine. The Pentagon will withdraw 160 people from Ukraine.
4. The Turkish Foreign Ministry advised Turkish citizens not to visit the eastern border regions of Ukraine unless absolutely necessary.
5, The Iranian Embassy in Ukraine asked compatriots to be prepared for emergency situations if necessary.
6. Clown Zelensky asks for clarification of US statements according to which “Russia will attack Ukraine on February 16.” Puppets in Kiev, as usual, are informed last.“
Enjoy.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLYpho5WYAYKXH9?format=jpg&
Lone Wolf
I’m 99% certain that if Ukraine launches an attack on Donbass, which therefore forces Russia to intervene, 404 will not be the only location of intervention. There will be an asymmetric response of some kind that takes the fight to the door of the people who are behind it all.
Again…Dogs P on Poles.
If there is a false flag, depends on what the false flag entails. If it is relatively minor, Russia should do nothing serious militarily. Even worst-case, Russia should do the bare minimum. The US is not delusional or insane. The US objective is to keep Germany and Europe on the US plantation by provoking the Russians into a military response that scares the crap out of Europe and thus pushes them to cut economic ties.
It’s just not economically feasible that Europe can remain Competitive without relatively cheap Russian Energy. Costs/Wages Up – Prices to Consumer Up.
In an earlier comment I touched on German Business Leaders must be/or soon will be considering doing a BAIN CAPITAL (Mitt Romney), and brick-by-brick resettling in Russia with its much cheaper electricity prices/costs and skilled workforce. 6000+ already do in some capacity.
Do what is needed minimally to protect the people in the LNDR. Turn up the pain dial elsewhere like in helping Syria, Iran, Latin America, and by supporting China. Time is running out for Empire.
“Even worst-case, Russia should do the bare minimum. The US is not delusional or insane. The US objective is to keep Germany and Europe on the US plantation by provoking the Russians into a military response that scares the crap out of Europe and thus pushes them to cut economic ties.”
Unfortunately, like most bullies and aspiring wife-beaters and child abusers, every time the US is allowed to slap around the kids on the global schoolyard it just emboldens them to continue unabated. Yeah, we beat the crap out of that Vietnamese kid, kicked around some nobodies in Granada, then flattened the Iraqi and Lebanese kids, even killed the Libyan kid and got away with it, smacked around a bunch of Syrians, and are now hammering the crap out of the Yemenese kids non-stop.
Ok. So gather up the other bullies on the school yard and call the Russian kid out for a knife-fight to show the Ukie kids that ‘Merica and it’s NATO lot rule the school yard forever!!!
So no. When Kid ‘Merica kicks the Ruskie kid in the back thinking his buddies will come running to the rescue? Turning the other cheek probably isn’t the best idea if you ever want the global school yard open for like-minded kids to play without the specter of violence hanging over their heads.
Well, ya know how it goes with bullies – eventually their hubris defeats them. They pick a fight with the wrong kid.
A small aside, am afraid the U.S. deep state will make false flag problem at the Super Bowl in Los Angeles today, and blame it on domestic terrorists (i.e., conservatives) or blame it on Russia or China. As greater resistance to totalitarianism and tyranny is happening, these people are desperate, lawless gangsters, so anything could happen. Or maybe do something crazy in Russia (Ukraine) or China (Taiwan, Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjiang) which will be quieted by the attention on the Super Bowl. Remember how the Atlantists did coup d’etat in Ukraine during the beautiful Sochi Olympics in 2014? Also, what has the U.S. done to Russia’s very beautiful and extremely talented young figure skater to destroy her? So maddening. So insulting that Russia is not permitted to showcase and compete their considerably talented athletes in the Olympics — yet again. Looking forward to the day when IOC is captured by better, multipolar interests rather than uber corporate unipolar Atlantists of Mitt Romney camp who allow lying and cheating to politicize the sports.
NATO Order of Battle for Article 5 war with Russia
Poles and Liths will fight when the Ukies are overrun. They will be 350 kms in the rear, engines revving, heading west.
Brits will set land mines to trap the Russians, but the Ukies will likely ‘find’ them first.
Baltics will torchlight parade in Lviv and then hide in the forests of Poland.
Mercenaries will pillage Ukie cities.
Belgian will protect HQ in Brussels.
Norwegians will show up, fire all their ammunition and retreat to the nearest ski resort in Finland.
Danish will be rooting for the team. They will be in Iceland and Greenland sending emails and Instagrams.
Italy will send medical staff. (Actually, gauze and bandaids and some iodine, not personnel)
France will do clerical work in special bunkers (wind cellars) in Burgundy.
Greece will fuel airplanes if anyone flies out of Greece. Their own air force will be doing maintenance for the duration. They sent their regrets.
Portugal will set up tents for refugees, likely in Brazil where abundant land exists that can’t be sued for anything to grow.
Germany will enforce environmental rules and do cremation work for the Ukies, if they ship cadavers to the Deutchland.
All Eastern Europe members will fly Russian tricolors alongside their own national flags of pure white.
USA will handle all news releases and liaison with all government leaders.
This is what the Russians will face when Joe Biden gives the signal.
I hate typos. Should be France in special bunkers (wine cellars) in Burgundy.
You write in jest…but the truth is even worse than this. eg: The Baltics are desperate for funds. NATO is giving them this chance to earn good funds. The cost is NATO tanks rolling over farmers fields with no compensation for destroyed crops…the NATO forces are more interested in ‘enjoying’ their ‘jolly’ – the pub-crawls….the chance to meet and rape local blondes…the ability to urinate wherever they like in their drunken state…getting into fights with locals…stealing whatever they fancy by intimidating shopkeepers…accidents through incompetent handling of military equipment…local newspapers reporting the daily infractions and anger of local politicians at what their government is supporting…etc etc…
all told to me by a Lithuanian now working in London, who observed all this and is delighted to have escaped and be able to enjoy the relative peace here….
Britain will send John Major to Moscow as some kind of ‘Special Peacekeeping Attaché – so he can bore the Russians to death.
Alongside Tony B.Liar to perform the good cop bad cop routine…
Thank you for that great post. I needed something to lighten up my day!
Should be funny if it doesn’t reflect reality so much! :)
West is ready for Roman experience with barbarian tribes from Asia. (no offense, Russians).
Small, but determined armies are more than capable to crush and burn wast Empires descended into decadence and corruption.
When contemplating Article 5, one quote repeatedly pops out: “With friends like this, who needs enemy?”
Western men need to rise up and work with Russia and China to form alliances and stop this sick globalist Atlantist trajectory. In this way, the world will know that one of the largest nuclear arsenals is under control. Nobody wants what the WEF with their globalist “own nothing and be happy” are offering (in conjunction with the UN, which needs to be destroyed except for the basic legal framework that allows world leadership to convene and discuss issues. We are God’s children, born to be free and practice in our own organic marketplaces. The western leadership has outgrown and outspent itself and wants now the impossible. The people of the world must say NO and hopefully Russia and China will help us people to create a peaceful, multipolar world.
“Italy will send medical staff. (Actually, gauze and bandaids and some iodine, not personnel)”
I’m italian. I hope not even that.
In WWII a lot of italian soldiers were killed in Eastern Ukraine/Novorossia area, a grand-uncle of my wife died there in February 1943.
Please, please not again.
So what now? Will the Russian military be near Ukraine in Russia indefinitely? What will be the moral of the Russian soldiers ? If they left America and NATO claim to media and their respective citizens in NATO countries that scared the Russians to retreat , this was what those the Americans said when Russia voluntarily pullback from the first troop formation on in Russia near Ukraine.
Russia can only pull back to……..wait for it……Russia, they are in Russia so where would they go.
Cheers M
From ‘Ar’ on another forum, with permission to post here:
Yeah after the talks with UK and Biden getting his ass dragged on the phone with Putin. It’s obvious the west has blinked and choked massively. Putin has smelled the fear, the west opted for a bullying effect was made by a bunch of poli-sci grads and think tank bums who do not understand operational art or war.
UK has pulled out all troops from Ukraine and US too. Special forces are leaving, the west has choked badly. With oil at 95 per barrel the Russians will stay in the AO past summer time, they can sustain the deployment without consequence, the more the US pressures the EU, the bigger the Russian budget gets. Conversely US power is declining day by day, they cannot sustain deployment and are able to move only token forces for triage, refugee control, and they decided to turn Ukraine into an ammo dump.
This is a game of wit, and Putin has shown remarkable success, the west has just backed off massively, they only threaten more sanctions. But their false flag op has backfired, they are running away. Meanwhile Putin ups the ante, bulk of the 1st GTA has gone into Belarus, Russia will respond not only in Ukraine but in the Baltics and Poland as we see the buildup in Kaliningrad and Belarus, he is throwing the gauntlet down to NATO which is essentially the US. Russia has called the bluff, it will go after NATO and conventionally win the fight, the west can only go nuclear and it’s too expensive for them to fight this long term. They had hoped the bullying effect to win over the Russians fast but the tactic has failed and Russia doubled down even further, ergo it has turned into a long game and they are realizing they cannot fight it.
The stakes could not be higher and the west is now considering moving to 1997 positions, removal of weapons, and abandonment of Ukrainian NATO membership. In the end this option was always what the west would do, they will lose their civilization if this goes where they bluff and it’s cheaper for them to sign the capitulation. They have lost their allies and the fight for Europe.
Meanwhile Putin is not giving them the war they need, but he is threatening an even larger front extending to Baltics and Poland if the false flag goes down. Biden wanted guarantees command centers would not be hit and I don’t think he liked the response. The senile fool is about to lose the election and with it the entire game plan.
They have f////d up royally this operation and have to withdraw, all Russia needs to do is sustain this through the summer and they will crack NATO.
Posted but not written by Auslander.
Thanks Auslander for posting this for us – vip background information to what was discussed on the call and where things stand. The hysteria of the West indicated things weren’t going its way. Instead they mentally abuse a Russian child – that is their level of bullying.
It’s interesting how the Pentagon is lying about their submarine near the Kurils and the Russians have revealed today how they detected the submarine:
https://tass.com/defense/1402489
“US submarine detected by anti-sub aircraft, Pacific fleet submarine – source. According to the source, the submarine’s coordinates were transmitted to the group of warships led by the Pacific Fleet’s frigate Marshal Shaposhnikov, with the Russian multi-purpose ship undertaking all the necessary actions on the protection of Russia’s state border….”
Another message to NATO.
(Also, the incident took place near Urup and not near any of the Kuril Islands that Japan claims. The US can’t claim that it was operating in international waters since Urup is Russia. Even Japan recognises this fact. Since the QUAD meeting the US is starting to play games in the Pacific and got caught and ran away).
Apparently the sub was in Russian Territorial Waters. If so Mother could have legally sunk it. I’m sure in the note presented to SehSha that information was included.
Surface ships are most always at a disadvantage against submarines. The reasons are oceanographic and are related to how sound travels through water. Such an ‘acoustic profile’ is determined by temperature, depth (pressure) and salinity. Submariners are fond of saying there are only two types of ships: submarines and targets.
Surface ships alone are, therefore, the least effective means of anti-submarine warfare. This is the “objective advantage” referred to in the TASS article.
The most effective is another submarine.
To achieve parity, surface ships must typically work closely in conjunction with air assets to successfully prosecute enemy submarines. These air assets can use visual detection, radar, sonobuoys and magnetic anomaly detectors.
In this case it appears that the coordinates of the US submarine were transmitted to the ships by an anti-submarine patrol craft AND a submarine.
Quote: “An American Virginia-class submarine was detected by Il-38 naval aviation aircraft and one of the submarines of the Pacific Fleet…”. However, the wording of the article is not entirely unambiguous.
Yet, this is extremely interesting, if taken at face value.
It is then reasonable speculation that the US submarine was being stalked by a submarine of the (Russian) Pacific Fleet, and that this submarine communicated the coordinates to Russian air assets which in turn brought the surface ships to bear on the US submarine. If this is not the case, and the Il-38 detected the US submarine using only its own sensor suite, then it becomes more difficult to ascertain what role the Russian submarine may have played.
In any case, this incident suggests very effective coordination between Russian naval assets in the prosecution of US submarines. That alone should be a wake up call to the US Navy.
Thus, as the article implies and if my interpretation is correct, Russia has clearly demonstrated the vulnerability of a US submarine. This is a game changer and yet another embarrassment for the US Navy.
Of course, the US submarine commander may have just gotten sloppy, as was seen last year when another US submarine crashed into “something” at high speed in the South China Sea. The investigation resulted in the submarine’s top officers and enlisted being thrown under the bus, likely as scapegoats for what “really” occurred. The US military really does seem to be fraying around the edges.
The results of a US Navy investigation into this matter, if any, will be something to watch.
Weren’t you embarrassed that the TASS headline included “The Source” without mentioning it in the article? )))
“US submarine detected by anti-sub aircraft, Pacific fleet submarine – source” http://tass.com/defense/1402489
And about the Underwater sonar tracking system (PSGAS) “Harmony” based on ABS (robotic autonomous bottom stations) and bottom hose sonar antennas of passive acoustic intelligence “http://robotrends.ru/robopedia/garmoniya
And about the Positioner Navigation and Communication System (SniS) [which is built on the basis of AUVs and sonar buoys (floating, underwater and frozen), connected via Gonets-D1M satellites to the Command Center] “Source” did not say a word.
As well as about other Russian detection, intelligence systems …)))
But PSGAS “Harmony” and SniS “Positionenr” will soon close all the strategic waters of Russia, including the Arctic shelf.
What is there to write about the well-known “passage yard” of the Frieza Strait, engineer Iturup and Urup, as well as about all the straits of the Great Kuril Islands in general.
I recommend that forum users familiarize themselves with the abbreviation, knowledge of these terms will soon come in handy for everyone:
ABS – robotic Autonomous bottom station.
AUUV – Autonomous Unmanned Undersea Vehicle
LDUUV – Large Displacement Unmanned Undersea Vehicle (RC Submarine)
RMS – Remote Mine-Hunting System
ROV – Remotely Operated Vehicle
UHSV – Unmanned Harbor Security Vehicle
UUV – Unmanned Undersea Vehicle.
“The stakes could not be higher and the west is now considering moving to 1997 ”
Oh, the stakes could be much, much higher. And, btw… the “1997” offer was from the last year. US declined.
Next offers will less generous, (if there will be any).
Auslander,
reinforcing this POV by AR was mercouris yesterday in, “US/UK Go Into Panic over Ukraine War. Russia Conducts Exercises in Belarus. Zelensky Calls for Calm.”
He inferred from the last briefing from National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan that the UKUS is in a panic due to these 𝘽𝙚𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙪𝙨 exercises, which they fear may envelope all NATO forces in a cauldron. They are already surrounded on three sides, and if the Belarus grouping drives south, most of Ukie east of Dnieper can become another Debaltsevo. And they know this time, there would no green or whatever color buses permitted out.
About 1.5 weeks ago, Tractor Farmer Luka warned Lithuania would be erased off the map.
So the Union State made clear what the game plan was. And then proceeded to walk the talk.
So not just in long game, they were beaten in short game.
We have been so busy watching the madmen cry wolf, maybe they really have legitimate cause to cry now! They saw themselves being sucked into the meat-grinder and that their bluff was called in a serious way.
“They have lost their allies and the fight for Europe.”
This is now the practical result. And all will comprehend this over next few electric days, provided narrative is not changed in a big bad way. Very dangerous next few weeks, as Empire is completely naked, and beyond desperate.
Sending you all prayers in Krim,
AHH
AHH,
Thank you for your prayers and well wishes. At this time we are good, the city is quiet, the populace calm but many are quietly stocking up. Stores, magazines and kiosks are still bulging with product so no shortages anywhere. Our Tatari in Bahxchisarai just east of us are working like mad men keeping our shops, their shops and Simferopol shops supplied.
If the kaka does hit the whirling blades we’ll find out just how good our air defenses are. I would aver, although I have no, and would not say a word if I did, official word, Flot sailed to get them out of harbor to better defend themselves when attacked.
VVP has said more than once that any attack on Sevastopol no matter how ‘minor’ is the same as an attack on Moskau and the retaliation will be the same. We are a Federal City as is St. Petersburg and Moskau. Test out our air defense systems at your own risk and may God have mercy on your soul because we won’t.
Auslander
Unfortunately, I think that NATO and Co. will successfully leverage the ongoing standoff to install intermediate-range ballistic missiles on Russia’s borders, either “by hook or by crook.” Since 2014 Russia has not done anything to prevent NATO and Co. from establishing a military stronghold in Ukraine via weaponry. The Russians continue to passively facilitate Western supply of weapons for Kiev. Eventually the weapons will include nuclear-capable missiles. Both “opposing” sides in this conflict are controlled by the Zionist financiers.
Daniel,
Do you live here (Russia)? Get real. All units of Russian Black Sea Flot have sailed. All units in Krimu and Sevastopol are on a war footing. You think Mother is bluffing? Methinks not. You do not have a clue as to the Russian mentality.
Auslander
@Auslander
I fully concurr. It is quite obvious that suddenly, West wants to talk endlessly. They were reluctant to do so for more than a month.
The time for talk is over. Very soon, installations around Russia wont be there anymore. Either, they will be dismantled or destroyed. After that, Biolabs – same routine. More to follow.
Large military bases most likely will be pardoned, because they impose immense burden on US economy. Destroying them would be beneficial for US. In time, they will be abandoned, anyway.
This “Wag the dog” movie script started with now insignificant chase for gas profit. Now went way out of proportions. Everybody involved in the show, are now reconsidering was bribes from Big Oil worth the ShtStrm they started. Hence, cockroaches scattered away, quickly, leaving organizers alone in the battlefield. Clueless.
…they want bring chain smoking Mr.Lavrov with empty/bored/warning talks to death…. it is time sent them to Mr.Shoigu only….btw Mr.Lavrov is best FM in russian history I admire him…
Don’t talk nonsense!
They allowed the Nazi coup in Kiev to take place – they regained the Crimea. They allowed to equip the Ruin with rare NATO weapons – we will disarm Ukraine and EuroNATO.
And the United States will not peep, otherwise they will get fucked up (shameful and painful end)!
A typical 6th column moron👆
Russia has done quite well to remove the strategic threats of Ukraine by absorbing Crimea and depriving the US of a coveted Black Sea base.
Besides, by having to lift the burden of Ukraine, the US/NATO wastes money and material for a corrupt black hole that is hopeless of being developed again.
Both of these were master strokes and Kremlin probably knew that not to vie for Ukraine was better than forcibly occupying it.
Dear Andrei, first of all wish you all the best during your weekend trip. We hope that Russia does already have a clear plan – call it plan B – at hand after she has taken over the Eastern part of Europe – which is being increasingly used and abused by the Uncle Sam since the great switch from the USSR ( some Western propagandists call it the collapse of the USSR – which frankly isn’t the right description). There’s no point in getting into a war with the NATO without a proper replacement of social and monetary incentives and plans for those conquered lands. The ruling Zio-Anglo elite will happily take advantage of the situation by a much weakened by war Russia that they would have all their combined energies concentrated on their greater global plans even more than what we see these days. At some point – the Empire believes that since the English language is a universal tool of communication amongst the global people these days, it automatically gives them the right of declaring the US dollar as de-facto the only global currency which everybody must use and appreciate without questions because it’s sacrosanct and also because the official language in the USA is English. Furthermore, they believe since it was the Anglo who invented this system – it’s them who must have a much bigger piece of the global economic pie and a greater power for defining and setting all the standards etc. So, if a war ever breaks out between Russia and NATO, the primary objective should be the replacement of the US dollar as the main global trading currency. For that, we must establish a new OPEC system only this time centered and monitored by the new global players including Russia, China and Iran… If the plan B isn’t prepared by now – it’s better not to smash the NATO just yet.
Andrei – You know better. Assets “around Ukraine” is a “maskirovka”. Check the position of 1st Tank Guards and majority of the 54 Army. The targets are Baltics! Mig 31s with Khinzals are in Kaliningrad, and in 5 days Russia would push through Suwalki gap and will take Poland east of Vistual. In short, Ukraine would be surrounded from all sides and what would NATO and Ukraine do then? A major cauldron, indeed and this time is for keeps. The ultimatum will follow. Who will engage Russia on their doorstep, to save them? Militarily, this make much more sense then going after Ukraine. And if there is no surrender and a deal, Putin warned, he will go after decision making centers. Who will stop Yasen-M’s 3M22 Tsirkon cruise missiles? Besides, the probability of tridents of the Ohio being stopped is high – if they ever get the order through microwave suppression blanket.
ahah . https://tass.com/world/1402529
tass reporting to companies withdrawing flights to and over Ukraine….insurance companies not covering. So perhaps evacuations by air will have to be done by military aircraft… how embaressing….as eg UK says it would not do that for citizens. Mind you the trains probably still run eg Kiev to Berlin. Anyone notice major movements of civilians…queues in airports?
A previous poster mentioned military groups being stationed in northwest against Polish border. Could be interesting if say further “persecution” of Rusdian communities eg in Nava northeast Estonia…. could lead to Russian defence of such and create an enclave just like LNRDPR?
OSCE observers leaving Donbass
DONETSK, February 13. /TASS/. The staff of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine from the US and the UK received orders to leave Donbass, Vladislav Berdichevsky, chairman of the Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DPR’s) parliamentary committee on foreign affairs, international ties, information policy and information technology told the Donetsk News Agency on Sunday.
LUHANSK (Sputnik) – The withdrawal of EU, UK and US representatives from the OSCE special monitoring mission in Ukraine under the pretext of insecurity would mean that a provocation by Ukraine and its Western handlers is coming, Rodion Miroshnik, an envoy for the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic in Ukraine’s Donbass region, said.
“The recall of representatives by the European Union, the United States, and the United Kingdom from the OSCE SMM is a conscious step by the West to block the flow of official information from Ukraine, and the military danger has nothing to do with it. This is preparations for some kind of a large-scale provocation,” Miroshnik said.
The decision to withdraw their SMM representatives means that the mission loses the opportunity to perform its duties under the mandate, Miroshnik added.
Washington Post headline this morning: “Biden warns Putin of severe costs”
King Lear, Act IV, Scene 2 (as he begins to go mad):
“I will do such things—
What they are yet I know not, but they shall be
The terrors of the earth.”
It was really Act II, Scene 4. I relied on memory. (Senior moment.)
KENT.
Sure, kill the doctor [Russia/Putin] who’s trying to cure you and pay your disease. …
:)
the plot revealed….all engineered hysterically for little Britain and its self importance
Ms Truss also spoke to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken yesterday to say it was ‘vital allies are united in our response to Russia’ and that Britain plays a leading role.
@Daniel
Please, reconsider seeing world through Zionist myth glasses.
Zionists are small fraction of globaly scattered nation. They have insignificant military strength that rely on constant help if others.
They are extremely well educated, and reliable ally to anyone who is willing to pay and protect them. ANYONE. They provide services in all areas where their nation excels. Banking, diplomacy, law, science…
Today, they do this mainly for Anglos, but not exclusively. There is fraction that do the same thing for Russians too. Why is this so incomprehensible that Zionists play both sides for their own advantage? That doesn’t mean they rule the world. It’s Anglos thing.
The myth of Zionist controled world goverment is ruse to hide real rulers. We can only speculate why real rulers decided to hide behind Zionist proxies, but that is what they did. To continue to rule the global Empire from shaddow, it was necessery to have proxy to do so. Smart enough to do the job, but weak enough not to dare to run with the money.
It is lie that Zionists HAVE all the money. It’s not THEIR’S money. They are just bookies of mafia family. As such, guilty as hell for helping evil Empire.
This is not defense of Zionists. This is warning not to share Empire’s false narative. Just cursing Zionists won’t solve anything. Only banishing Empire out of this world will do.
The first step is to recognise its existance behind Zionist smoke and mirrors.
I believe Putin’s career began as a lawyer. Yes much is said about him in the KGB or GRU but I believe he worked as a lawyer there. Putin’s first move in the case of the much anticipated false flag would be to call a emergency meeting with the UN and display the evidence of a false flag committed by the west. UK and the USA. In this way striking back at the ukrops could legally be said to be justified. Putin would argue that this is a defensive move in light of the evidence presented.
Remember it was Obama who said ” Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up”.
@ Daniel on February 13, 2022 · at 3:11 am EST/EDT
“Unfortunately, I think that NATO and Co. will successfully leverage the ongoing standoff to install intermediate-range ballistic missiles on Russia’s borders, either “by hook or by crook.” Since 2014 Russia has not done anything to prevent NATO and Co. from establishing a military stronghold in Ukraine via weaponry. The Russians continue to passively facilitate Western supply of weapons for Kiev. Eventually the weapons will include nuclear-capable missiles. Both “opposing” sides in this conflict are controlled by the Zionist financiers.”
Your “contribution” smells like trolling to me from here to whatever hole you’re writing from. 404 has become a massive dumping ground for obsolete, outdated, and discarded weaponry from the “brothers” in the West, who are laughing all the way to the bank, getting rid of trash from their warehouses. A new war is coming, MIC needs space for new weapons…until the next war.
It really doesn’t matter what they are dumping on the useless, rag-tag 404 “army,” it will be gone in flame in seconds. Plus, they are going out on their own. Take this information with a grain of salt, but here you have an example of what’s happening with the weapons dumped on 404 by the “brotherly” West.
https://avia-pro.net/news/na-poziciyah-vsu-vzorvalsya-prosrochennyy-britanskiy-ptrk-nlaw
“An expired British NLAW ATGM exploded at the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine“
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Lone Wolf
I’m sorry but I think he made a legitimate comment. And also your rebuttal did not address his most important point, eventually will contain nucular missiles.
I see his point. If Russia continue to talk and theyre not serious then like in any situation wnere you have a bully type they will just walk all over you.
@Pennsylvania Chuck
I see his point too. Russia should be stupid and play convoluted game the way UK/US has minimal risk and maximum profit. Shame on them.
Now when bully is about to get what he deserved, there’s complains it is …what? Too little – too late? We’ll see about that soon enough.
I will risk to insult someone’s intelligence by stating the obvious.
1. US oligarchy needs War to wipe out its own debt.
2. US military understand they have to die for freshly printed $$.
Pathetic attempts like “Rasha broke” or “Pyutn liar” won’t convince nor encourage anyone to fight for UK/US oligarchy.
Putin has not that problem. There is more than enough men and women (not only in Russia), fed up with Anglos shenanigans.
UKUS oligarchy will realize they should keep quiet and be happy with their half of EU gas money. Too late for that now.
I doubt there will be a war. The US would prefer that Russia withdrew its forces from the border. That would give the US a victory of sorts as they could claim that Russia feared a U.S. response. They could also escape the humiliation of a military defeat to come. Bear in mind what Biden told Putin on the phone:
“An invasion “would produce widespread human suffering and diminish Russia’s standing,” according to a White House statement issued after the call.”
Translated, that means that the US is on the verge of creating a massive false flag event, to be blamed on Russia, which would result in literally thousands of Ukrainian civilian and/or military deaths. The means would most likely be poisonous gas, or perhaps biological warfare. In order for Russia to escape blame, they would need to immediately withdraw their forces and hope the US doesn’t follow through with their threat.
That also explains the sudden withdrawal of foreign troops from Ukraine. They want their own people to be safe, but don’t mind sacrificing a few thousand Ukrainians to achieve their goal.
There’s something missing in all this talk. We all know and repeatedly say the media lies. What is missing?
Jews. Isreal. Zionist.
Read all the news reporting. They are not mentioned or hardly at all not.
It’s way past time to shine light on Isreal and their people. Someone wrote a comment on here the other day Russia is not good at the pr program or getting tneir side of the story out. Maybe so. I dont know the answer.
Praying this morning I can’t help to think of the enormous amount of pressure on President Putin. Basically standing against the world. And standing against the always unmentioned in any negative light, the jews.
Maybe it’s time for Russia to in some way put some attention and pain on that little country in the middle East that so many act like they’re entitled and pure as a virgin. God forgive me if I’m wrong but I’m sick of tbat so called nation supposedly born in one day. I’m tired of their influence on my country and especially their ever growing corruption of Christianisty. Now there’s churches flying the isreal flag in their church and boasting about it. One if listening hears more than ever Judeo Christian. Makes me want to puke.
Sorry I went a little off point. I hope my comment is still allowed. My point is Isreal and the jews need to be looked at and held accountable if they’re involved and responsible for all this world conflict. They’re not special and surly not innocent.
Good day to all. God bless.
Pennsylvania Chuck, ever thought they are missing in this conversation just because they are missing? On the blog we don’t hesitate to talk about zionists or anglozionists.
Anyways, the pain dial is being turned by Russia now patrolling with Syria the Golan Heights and other steps taken. There are many updates on presstv.ir surprisingly today.
You are right. Just to be clear I meant in the media in general.
And thank you for the presstv.ir suggestion. I was not familiar with them but will read through tbeir news more often. I tell so many of my family and friends do not just read western media. Read outside the normal. Get a better picture.
But still the jews are good at staying out of the light when conveintient to them.
Good day.
“But still the jews are good at staying out of the light when conveintient to them”
If Jews are my ally, and nowhere to be found before imminent fight, I would seriously reconsider showing myself too.
That zionists control U.S. media and foreign policy is something that will be studiously avoided and smothered when it comes up. It’s a real shame, because most jews have no interest in this kind of destructive behavior, but are often intelligent, talented countrymen (even if they do not ultimately consider goyim to be *their* countrymen).
For an insight into the origin of this Ukraine issue see article written by Mike Whitney titled, “The Crisis in Ukraine Is Not About Ukraine. It’s about Germany.”
Putin has to be careful of of his moves as MSM rhetoric as they can be worst than war. It is a delicate Chess game and hopefully won by Russia without firing a shot. That’s may be impossible any way as the Americans will force Putin’s Hands but he has to be smart and keep communications with Germany, France among others open and in perspective of the American ruse.
We are missing the point of the continual “Russia is about to invade Ukraine” hysteria that the US is making.
It is not about Russia or Ukraine. It is about weakening Germany and destabilizing the natural gas market.
Before the “imminent invasion” nonsense the US was all about stopping Nord Stream 2 and supporting the more pro-US Greens. When Angela Merkel was chancellor, Germany was interested in having good relations with both Russia and China and keeping some distance and therefore independence from the US. Germany had always defended buying natural gas from Russia and was an integral partner in the design and construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. It was a 50/50 partnership between the west and Russia. This craziness is to try and sway public opinion (especially German) that Russia can’t be trusted. It wants to strengthen the hand of the Greens.
Everybody is aware that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine or that little is going to be done to address Russia’s legitimate national security concerns. For the US to succeed in regain its position of being the world’s hegemon it needs Germany fully under its control and a economically weakened Russia. It wants to accomplish this by increasing the instability of the natural gas market by raising the possibility of chaos. They are holding out the LNG supply from itself, Australia, and others as the best way to address that instability. Further, they would like to sell their nuclear power plants. Anything to decrease the economic and technological interdependence between the EU and Russia and increase that dependency to themselves.
This has little do do with military might.
I don’t think it’s Russia’s intention to “smash” any country. The object is to get the intransigent and arrogant fools in NATO to respect Russia’s rights to security from a nuclear missile shadow mere kilometers (and minutes in flight time) from Moscow and St. Petersburg. The trick is not simply to cow NATO at this moment in time, but to alter their behavior permanently. If they are merely defeated on some present day battlefield, they will be sure to attempt a comeback and try to repress Russia again in the future. They must be made to see that peace and free trade is infinitely preferable to military intimidation. Russia must show resolve that it will not cave into Western threats, not that it will replace American aggression with Russian aggression.