Why France?
Greetings to the Saker community and readers.
First I wish to express my condolences to the families of all the victims of the terror attacks last week. No matter the reason for the attacks, there will always be innocent victims; those should be remembered.
What I write below are some stray thoughts on a question that has been bugging me since I heard the news regarding the attacks in Paris. Maybe I am completely off the mark here yet I keep wondering: Why all these attacks took place in France?
Why not Brussels or Amsterdam or London or Rome or Berlin?
Why France?
Yes, the French have been militarily involved in the “Arab Spring”; the Charles De Gaulle carrier has already been deployed once in the Gulf this year between 23/02/2015 and 18/04/2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op%C3%A9ration_Chammal) and the deployment starting on November 18th was scheduled well before the attacks in Paris took place.
As a side note, the US is deploying Harry S. Truman battle group (again, scheduled) but there are already rumours that the Truman group will not replace whatever is already there.
Moreover, France maintains in UAE 6 Rafale fighters and in Jordan 3 Mirage 2000D (strike version) and 3 Mirage 2000N (Nuclear strike version) – http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/166089/french-air-force-rotates-deployed-combat-aircraft.html
- Note to readers: In France a “nuclear strike” capable fighter is any plane whose on-board avionics and software allows it to fire the Aerospatiale Air-Sol Moyenne Portee (ASMP) nuclear stand-off missile. Remove that software or do not load the missile and a M2000N is the same as a M2000D. All Rafale fighters have this capability as part of F3 standard.
Still these, militarily speaking, are on par with the other NATO members; UK flies sorties from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus on an almost a daily basis and Belgium was heavily involved in NATO’s Libya campaign.
Yet all the major terrorist attacks (false flag or not all had the intent to cause terror among the populace to advance whatever political / religious / ideological agenda) in Europe this year took place in France:
- 07/01/2015 – Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris
- 09/01/2015 – The hostage taking at the Kosher market in Porte De Vincennes
- 26/06/2015 – The attack and beheading at a factory in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier
- 21/08/2015 – Amsterdam – Paris train attack in Oignies, Pas-De-Calais
- 13/11/2015 – Paris attacks
As a matter of fact, no other major terrorist attack took place in a NATO / EU country this year. Either both French intelligence services and internal security are laughable (imagine three major terrorist attacks in Washington or Moscow or Beijing within a year) or something else is at play.
The only difference France has compared to any NATO member (bar USA) is that it is the only country which has a truly autonomous defense industry. It is the only country which can design and produce a fighter plane (Dassault Aviation), its engine (Snecma), its avionics, its radar (Thales) and its munition from bullets to cruise missiles (MBDA) all by itself. Same goes for shipbuilding. And because they develop everything, they get all the maintenance / upgrade contracts.
On November 5th, this article appeared on Aviation Week: Rafale Fighters Make Inroads Against U.S. Makers – Dassault wagers prospective Rafale exports will justify tripling supplier output (http://aviationweek.com/defense/rafale-fighters-make-inroads-against-us-makers – requires account for free access).
So, the year Rafale got its first ever export contract since its introduction in 2001 France in general and Paris in particular are witnessing attack upon attack.
As I said, these are stray thoughts and probably mean nothing but I can’t help wonder why France.
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Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?
Why France? How about: France’s vote to recognize Palestine.
All kinds of games being played, it’s mostly background noise for the sheeple (USA #1!!).
Let’s see if there’s a play for the Golan Heights, and a general expansion of ‘greater Israhell’. These folks are patient. However, I have the sense that they perceive that time is running out for subtlety. If the Dollar is rejected the fifty billion that bibi just extorted from DC will be about enough to buy a cup of coffee.
In general, as long as chaos reigns and brother kills brother, few will perceive the zio’s global machinations.
This video might explain some issues:
ISIS sings the same tune Hitler did, promising Utopia in the end – Terrorism researcher
https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/322242-isis-paris-attacks-war/
DR.SA: Well, first, I don’t think they’re psychopaths…
SS: …and you know, it’s like French Revolution or Bolshevik revolution – but you’d think that we’ve learned something from history, no? I mean, I don’t want to be back in Bolshevik revolution times…
I was about to say that. ONE word: Palestine. That sums it all up.
Confusing false flag, already old news and set in stone, suggests PCR. But the stone is behind a shroud of fog, and that’s where they want it. It has been observed that various of the self detonating terrorists blew themselves up in open spaces not killing anyone. Or that all four of them managed to kill just one person in all. The rest of the victims were aparently machine gunned. There is a picture of bodies on the floor of the music concert hall that looks strangely bereft of all other people, like policemen, or emergency services, and arranged as if for maximum eerieness, photographic effect.
The object seems to be to get a chance to mess things up in Syria some more, under the guise of “fighting ISIS” or Daesh or whatever the boogies are called these days. Reuters informs that “Obama urges Russia to join renewed effort to eliminate Islamic State” which sounds very perplexing, or should, as Russia has been in the forefront of those efforts, but maybe not. Perhaps Obama means Russia should now take a second row seat in this effort, sor something.
Putin seems slightly dejected, as if the persistence of satanic forces arrayed against him are getting to be too much, what with blaming him for blowing up the Malaysian plane, then blowing up a plane full of Russians and rubbing it on his face, look what we can do, take that, and now in Ukraine the authorities totally thumbing their nose about “Minsk” (if they had not thumbed it enough) by sending more and more weapons to the East and continue bombing every day. (I say a pic of Porkoshenko kneeling in phareseal pose in front of some flowers somewhere, supposedly full of grief for the French. For those he bombs, he offers “shool in basements”. Gloomy times ahead for those poor people in the Donbass, now that the world seems to have forgotten about them completely, even this blog barely mentions them, they are of no interest, though their plight and the outrages against them is the reason many flocked here.
And finally Russia appears to have given up also on the restructuring of the Ukro debt, they will take a cut after all, hoping to get at least something back, which of course it is doubtful they ever will.
Among the continuous parade of media talking zombies, the only guy that stood out significantly from the sheep was this fellow named Gearoid O Colmain in a 10 min interview with RT. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7GAbVhjTSw
Question: Why did not Assad roll over and allow the Quatari pipeline go through? What might have been the perceived threat to his regime?
According to an article on Wikipedia, one the reason is to protect the interests of their Russian ally which is Europe’s top supplier of natural gas.
Brahim on November 17, 2015 · at 12:47 am UTC
And we all know what an accurate source Wikipedia is with regard to subjects like Russia and Syria…
LOL
Wikipedia copies the articles from Nato newspapers and then writes about Russia on any topic.
Yes I know about the ‘Historians’ of wikipedia and their weird (unprofessional) pseudonyms.
Iran.. Only arab country to support Iran in the war.. Mutual defense pact.. Russian ally.. iran pays for Syrian defense and provides them food and oil.
Syria is the Oded Yinon Plan in action. Pipelines are incidental.
That was an excellent interview I shared it on facebook
Excellent! My thoughts exactly! Oh, yes, terrorists left their calling card–a passport. Hmmmmmmmmmmm….Seems the same terrorists left a card at the twin towers. Same group. CIA. Oh, yeah.
Rus wants the full 3b back from Kiev, but at later dates, Kiev wants to reduce the 3b by 40-60% so i believe, then further postpone repayments………..not the same thing
bit more re Rus dent
VP says USa and EU must act as guarantor for repayments
http://www.anna-news.info/node/46840
google translate
erhaps one of the biggest surprises of the final press conference, Russian President Vladimir Putin after the summit G20, was his statement about Russia’s intention to restructure the debt of Ukraine at $ 3 billion. The Russian president has invited Ukraine to pay 1 billion in the years 2016-2018 – provided guarantees for him by the US government or the European Union or one of the international financial institutions.
“In order not to put Ukraine in a difficult situation, we did, in my opinion, an unexpected offer to our partners. We are not just agreed to a restructuring of the Ukrainian debt, and we have offered better conditions than we have asked the International Monetary Fund. We were asked to postpone the payment for the next year I said that we are ready for a profound restructuring, “- said Putin.
According to him, the Russian Federation asked for loan guarantees “from either the US government or the European Union or from one of the reputable international financial institutions.” “We hope that this issue will be resolved by the beginning of December this year, a specific schedule of the IMF”, – said the head of the Russian Federation.
At the same time, Putin said that Russia discussed the Ukrainian debt to the IMF head Christine Lagarde, the proposal of the Russian side was “received with interest.”
“We have agreed with our partners that in the near future substantively discuss-the details of our offers. In fact, if our partners believe that the solvency of Ukraine will increase, and we have this urge, it means they believe in it, and if you believe, then let him give guarantees “, – Putin said.
“If you can not give a guarantee, it means that they do not believe then in the future of the Ukrainian economy – it’s bad, it seems to me, and for them, because they convince us, which is not really a bad thing for our Ukrainian partners. We think that it is actually possible, and do not see any problem in the fact that we share the risk with our partners “, – said Russian President.’
@”the only guy that stood out significantly from the sheep was this fellow named Gearoid O Colmain in a 10 min interview with RT. Here”
Yes, he was/is very good.
Katherine
Interesting comment, seems to be at least partially true – it was not a blowback, it was not a false flag. So far I went with LIHOP (let it happen on purpose). But now I think it was maybe a false event, hoax.
I can trust that the deep state can create a hoax on such scale because I examined the evidence for the Boston bombing and I am 100% convinced it was a fake, using crisis actors – here the evidence (whoever spends the time to go through it – based on the officially released pictures, will be convinced):
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr114.html
For those who read French, I would highly recommand Thierry Meyssan latest article [La République française prise en otage] which, in my view, gives very good hints at why France et why now.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189275.html
Not very convincing arguements ….
The best analysis of french terror attacks was published today by Thierry Meyssan (in French)
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189275.html
Already in English:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189300.html
I wonder who Meyssan is speaking of when he states his expose are things you are not aware of? Much of the information concerning the entanglements of the french government has been available to those willing to engage in the proper research for a number of years. Is he directing that specific comment solely at the french citizenry?
Why not France ?
1) It is easier to attack than Britain or the US.
2) It is the most hated nation throughout all of north Africa.
They lost WW2 but kept their African hegemony by controlling the currency emmision of 15 African states, i.e. from colonialism to pretend independence to neo-colonialism.
Like Britain and the US, France is loathed throughout the world !
back to point 1.
exactomundo
Haiti has been trying to pay off ‘reparations’ for its independence for 200 years now. The interest rates were purposefully made too high for the Haitians to EVER pay off. To this day they still are forced to make large payments to France.
Haiti, as with those countries in Africa, have been made into debt slaves. Independence, what a joke.
France just got some blowback after it’s continuous clumsy meddling in world affairs.
Let’s not forget that it’s the most colonial power remaining in Europe.
Let’s not forget how they’ve exploited and raped libya for decades now (most recently Libya)
They were just dumb enough to import the problems in the form of refugees.
Nothing against refugees, but they do represent the post-colonial aftermath.
PS #fuckfrance is semi-trending on twitter
sorry meant to say Africa**** befor libya
I’ll get my coat
No please stay! The gist of what you said is right. ;-)
The innocents didn’t deserve it, but if it had been Hollande, Fabius, Bernard-Henry Levy et al, I’m afraid that I wouldn’t shed a tear.
Because the French people (well, Paris French) don’t have guns? There will be another really huge wave of gun buying in the US again. And ammo. Americans know the gooberment can kick their ass any day of the week and twice on Sundays with the army, navy, air force, and marines (or Obama’s drones, if you will) but people don’t expect the gubmint to kick their door in at 3:00 a.m. They expect ISIS to kick their door in at 3:00 a.m. Americans are really smart.
Well, this poor victim of police terror should have expected the gooberment.
http://fusion.net/story/233558/john-livingston-north-carolina-police-shooting/
It’s true, though. Local gooberment is way more dangerous than the feds.
Nowadays, the cops in the U.S. are absolutely 100 % out of control.
Years ago, an old American psychiatrist (he’s passed on now) whom I knew said during a chit chat conversation:
“When you see a cop on your path, cross the street immediately!”. Alluding to American cops violent and anti social unpredictable behavior.
It behooves anyone living in the U.S. to strictly follow the advice of that old man.
I know I have.
Carmel by the Sea
Europe/NATO – France, UK, Germany are the three big players of the region. UK is part of five eyes and Germany is occupied.
US, UK, Germany – France is like the black sheep joining the gang? Independent until recent times, with the capability of quickly becoming independent again?
In the Middle East/MENA, France at times seems to be following its own policy which is independent of the US yet at times, such as “Assad must go” coincides with US policy?
Really good comment, Peter. Yes, France is generally and traditionally independent. And mercurial. And very vindictive. Like messing with killer bees. So easy to manipulate that way, gawd, it’s so easy to push their buttons. Like Americans that way. If anybody will give MENA the business, it is they.
Contrast that to the Russians who maintained their cool in the wake of the Odessa Massacre, their airliner with innocent Russian citizens destroyed, and everything in between.
Well, it seems to go elucidating the true objectives of the last “event” in Paris.
They say now in the Sexta TV (Spanish TV) that the role in combating ISIS is now led by France along with the US and its allied.
Let´s see.
The Russians were demonstrating not only be effective in their bombing on ISIS but making it clear the aforementioned “coalition” and its real intentions in Syria and with respect to ISIS. Russia was winning the media war, with almost all political analysts, including those against Al Assad, agreeing that its performance was nothing short of providential.
On the other hand, Hollande was already a political corpse and Obama virtually too. And these two gentlemen are in electoral campaign. Well, now Hollande already has “his war” with which to wash his deteriorating image ( remember Thatcher and “her war” of the Falklands at the lowest point of her popularity ) and leverage to damage, if possible more, Al Assad and, in passing, the Syrians, because we have seen that the French, when bomb, do not go around with nonsense and so gives them a damn to damage water-related and electricity infrastructures, as well as schools or hospitals.
Therfore, with the G20 summit in perspective and more than likely advance by the Russians of their intention to make public the list of sponsors of ISIS there, we have that with this new attack in Paris, ISIS sponsors have step overnight to take the place of Russia as chief whip of that “entity” and at the same time have made their way to “defend its interests in Syria” without UN mandate nor Syrian government permission.
Then, there is the fact that on television, at least Spanish TV, the word “Kalashnikov”, related to the jihadist perpetrators of the attack, is repeated continuously, and even when some analyst clarified that the biggest illegal arms traffic is originated in Belgium and that guns handled by ISIS are most probably of American origin stolen in Iraq, for the lady who is in the kitchen and hear the television while doing her work without paying much attention the message is clear: “jihadists carried Russian arms.” I am hearing this all the time since yesterday. And today, coincidentally, the Spanish woman whose husband died in the Bataclan hall, and who saved her life, has written a letter to the media telling her story and stressing that “she will never forget the sound of the “Kalashnikovs”.” Well, I do not know if the word “Kalashnikov” is exactly said in her letter or not, but if not, you have already the program conductors to “translate”.
I do not know, but seems to me too insistently.
Well, all that, but, if you need even more, here you have Hollande´s urgency to the French Assembly on the need to change the French Consititución and exponentially increase the security / intelligence apparatus, that are already on the table…..One wonders for what…. certainly not to prevent ISIS attacks nor to capture the perpetrators, as has been amply demonstrated. But, then? Yes…. dear French citizen…. to control you better. French Republic and its old and epic rights and liberties….way too much for “big money” and its bussiness coming with TTIP….
Yesterday I also read that the UK is going to increase its number of spies in more than a thousand….
if this is not already “1984”, God to come and see it.
When Institutional Authority loses its legitimacy (and Putin’s been doing a great job of that lately, spotlighting the Empire’s naked lies) it’s like a whiny brat not getting the attention he wants and will act out even more, throwing tantrums and whatnot. So it was time to shift the spotlight from the awesome successes of Russia back to the psychopathic kids.
Fear shuts down critical thinking. And so the public must live in fear, the more suggestible they’ll be, and the more they’ll continue to go to big-daddy-gubmint for protection. It’s a classic overworld gangster protection-racket move, this one designed (as usual) to clamp down some more on civil rights while opening wider the floodgates for all sorts of security/military/intelligence profits.
And as you correctly aver, it has so many other useful functions. Getting NATO involved, certainly. And, when a leader’s in trouble, an attack by nefarious forces that produces a high-body count increases his popularity like magic. (Remember the Putin-level popularity of GW after 911?)
Whether this was a false flag (probably, given so many of the usual MOs in play) or not, with one stroke this solves (or pretends to) so many problems for the Empire that it almost seems overdetermined, so I’m not terribly surprised by it.
What to me is the most shocking news of late is Putin’s stunning announcement at the G20 about some of its members known to be behind the financing of ISIS. Now that is one hell of a bomb to drop at the meeting of the families! Putin’s playing a really dangerous game, revealing an ace up his sleeve. Where this is going to go I cannot imagine, but it’s terrifically suspenseful.
Time for another quote…?
Perhaps we can add pipelines, war profits, and financial derivatives to the list…
Lol the quote is Marxist utopian propoganda the foundation of both manhood & order is force.
Very good comments. You really did a good job figuring this out. It seems clear that the French “leaders and /or their handlers” want to reassert themselves on the world power scene and that they want to make a lot of money for their friends in the security and military sectors. Every time that I realize that something like this is possible, I get the sense that these neo liberals or whatever you want to call them, this group that runs the world, is in the service of pure evil.
So, this Sexta Spanish channel you mention, is controlled by someone who wants to push this narrative that the Russians are somehow connected. Good observation about most people just noticing key words while the TV is on.
because……..the French have always thought of Syria as their stomping ground and bailiwick?
@ Sentinel
“The rest of the victims were apparently machine gunned. There is a picture of bodies on the floor of the music concert hall that looks strangely bereft of all other people, like policemen, or emergency services, and arranged as if for maximum eerieness, photographic effect.”
You seem to imply that the attacks were staged?
Some precisions: The victims in the concert hall were executed one by one (desperate tweets and calls from the attendants begging for help). The police and emergency services didn’t storm the building right away, and in the meantime, people took pictures with their cell phones. Yes, I bet it was eerie! There were numerous other victimes (129 total as of today), including people at a restaurant and a cafe — as the night was mild and a lot of people were enjoying going out. A colleague of my sister had 10 of his friends killed in a cafe as they were celebrating a birthday.
On another note, my sister told me that right away during the massacre the social media was abuzz with people offering help to the survivors and to those stranded among the debris and the shootings, not knowing where to go, with several subway stations closed and several areas cordoned off by the police: offers to take refuge at their homes, to put them up for the night, and so on. Many did took advantage of their kindness. A point of light in the darkness.
» A colleague of my sister had 10 of his friends killed in a cafe as they were celebrating a birthday. «
Great that you have found the Saker’s blog to share this important info with us. Can you also tell us the name of that café and colleague? So people took pictures with their cell phones while waiting for the police to storm the hall or for the attackers to execute them one by one, whichever came first. I guess all the evidence has been destroyed by the attackers blowing up themselves, hasn’t it. Pointers to desperate tweets would definitely be appreciated. Thanks.
Spot on Lumi…….so far Boston Bombing/Charlie Hebdo 2.0
All we are getting is “he said/she said”,headlines such as “I saw the bomber in the washroom, he looked sweaty and nervous, I went back to my son and later heard a BOOM”.
right ! and then…….there is this….
zweistein on November 15, 2015 · at 1:54 pm UTC
Victoria Soto is one very unlucky girl.
She was among the almost-victims of the Aurora shootings, all in tears at Sandy Hook. Then she just barely saved her life at the Boston Marathon bombing, and now, what a poor girl, almost got blown away in Paris again…
https://www.facebook.com/kartenhausdesglaubens/photos/a.1524938097723628.1073741831.1524919127725525/1654703071413796/?type=3
This is the fourth time I have re-posted zweistein’s link.
Where there is 1 crisis actor there are obviously more,all the narrative is coming from uncheckable sources for the average person.
After all, is not France a place to be imprisoned for revisionist history ?
Staged or not, false flag or not; what is for sure is that there were victims.
It even reached my proximity; the daughter of grocery owner has been killed; she had moved to Paris a few weeks ago with her French husband, and lived on one of the streets were there had been shootings.
I don’t know exactly who planened and decided it.
I’m absolutely sure it will be and is already being shemelessly exploited for deespictable agendas (like propping the French president influence)
But the people that died are real, and innocent.
Putin gave the west a dose of reality at the G20 meeting. He said he knows exactly who is financing the ISIS thugs, and how much the thugs are getting paid. Valerie Jarrett brought Putin in to meet Obomber mano-a-mano. What was said? Who knows. However, there is an incredibly hilarious video of someone trying to find out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6qJpCutWug
#WorstSpyEver
“Worst spy ever”
LOL
He must be a member of the CIA Gay mafia division, just look at how conspicuous he makes himself with girly mannerisms and the man handbag ….. and the totally slimey crooked and guilty look on his face.
Worst Spy Ever = connected swine.
Perhaps the following might be a starting point for the author’s question (Why France?).
(1) Your political class are completely sold out to non-French interests, Or at a minimum, they are not looking out for the interests of the French people, but the interests of their paymasters in European/transnational banks, Banking families and their monopoly over French media, French Multinational corporations, the hydrocarbon mafia (Total + Saudis & Qataris) and the parochial interests of the various ethnic and/or religious sects/ideologies that dominate the aforementioned entities – that’s reason number 1.
(2) Cultivation of Salafists, by the French State and the elite, within the Muslim minority for both domestic policy shaping (i.e. dividing & distracting the population) and for destabilizing former colonies. -if you’re going to incubate terrorists and use them for State policies, then they will have opportunity to act within France as well as abroad. Reason #2.
(3) The Owners of France (Banks, Oil Sector stakeholders, the owners of French media, Brussels/EU etc) and their hirelings in the incumbent sold-out political class are not serious about dealing with terrorism: They want their cake and eat it to: Supporting and using terrorists as instruments of state policy while pretending to champion secular values and other nonsense rhetoric
4)Since France is not ruled by people who identify with the French people, the average French person can be sacrificed for the various parochial goals of the those that rule the country (this seems to be a French tradition).
5)The French electorate are no longer smart enough to look out for their best interests: they want their cake and eat it too. They want the keep their fake liberal values, social subsidies, the illusory promises and perceived security of the illusory EU gravy-train. They don’t want to make the compromise of short-term sacrifice for longterm gain both socially and economically. They don’t want to give up the narcissistic and self-destructive liberalism of the West (with it’s built-in demographic suicide pill) and accept the common-sense of a more natural common-sense and conservative social structure (meaning traditional family values, children, hard-work, respect for men – not just respect for women, a healthy sense of ethos, autonomy, respect for all religions – instead of contempt for all religions). They are not willing to say yes to their long term national interest if it means to say no to the EU and accepting a tougher leaner but more independent state.
The rest of the immediate-term reasons are:
– They were the most permissive in allowing “French” Salafists to travel to Syria: – The French State organs, arm and support Salafist terrorists in Syria and Africa and allow them easy access to travel to and from France – if you use terrorists and extremist for hurting others, it’s inevitable that those coddled terrorists, who have easy access to your country, will have the opportunity to do harm when given the order.
– The French Ruling class were the loudest and uncompromising of the “Assad must go” crowd of fanatical idiots: – The hijacked French govt were the most vociferous in their attacks on the Syrian govt,
– Hollande’s govt was the most radical out of the West in overtly, not covertly, supplying weapons to Syrian terrorists.
– The French State continues to cultivate the worst kinds of Salafists in their muslim population doing nothing practical to stamp them out. Instead they shut up those advocating serious steps by labeling them extreme Right or extreme Left while indulging in humiliating and useless steps like banning a harmless garment like the hijab.
Here are some further speculations regarding why terror attacks may serve a purpose in France:
– to strip away the further liberties of their population under the guise of security,
– to keep the nationalist National Front from gaining power,
– to make a last ditched effort to become relevant in the mid east with the French government attempts to unseat Assad having failed so badly and French influence having become totally marginalized: to achieve this via a fake war effort involving backing from EU/NATO.,
The fanaticism of ‘Assad must go’, is actually ‘Syria must be destroyed’, which is the Oded Yinon Plan, and explains French enthusiasm, because no EU country is quite as completely controlled by its Israel Lobby.
»Why not Brussels or Amsterdam or London or Rome or Berlin?«
Because only France and Britain would get moving militarily agains Syria on their own, and France seems more eager than Britain to actually do so.
Who’s behind the Paris fake attacks and their exploitation towards presidential dictatorship for three months? I think it’s not Uncle Sam. Rather, it’s Israel, with French collaboration.
And there were no victims, it’s all a fake. Otherwise Hollande and whoever else in France gets to decide such things wouldn’t have gone along with it. Mass manipulation of your own sheeple is one thing, mass murder is another.
France and Turkey are most interested in dismembering Syria. France for neocolonial reasons (Syria used to be their colonial turf), Turkey to free land to solve the Kurdish question. This is what Thierry Meyssan has written many articles about at VoltaireNet.org.
So why France? Because France has a (neocolonial) motivation and can be moved into action (froggy boots on the ground). Hollande’s rhetoric – « La France est en guerre! » – makes no sense at all unless he wants to launch into a neocolonial adventure.
And Israel wants to see Syria dismembered and permanently annex the Golan. France is to fulfill that Zionist expansionist dream.
But I think it’s a non-starter because both Putin and Obama seem to oppose Syrian dismemberment. Mohamed on this blog may have been right all along when he said again and again that Putin and Obama are in cahoots, which basically no one would believe. I hope he is right.
But please, everyone, before you subscribe to the « Je suis Bataclan » and these ludicrous victim stories à la Isobel Bowdery, Daniel Psenny, Lassana Diarra – consider what evidence has been offered for the alleged crimes and whether it is commensurate with what they claim has happened.
Bataclan alone would have been a 1000+ smartphone event … and that would have generated a very significant and impressive photo and video trail. And that trail is completely missing. Worse, what’s been released as documentary photo/video evidence, like the Psenny backalley video, is bordering on ridiculous.
They learnt from how the Boston marathon hoax was exposed on the Internet. Don’t allow the sheeple to take photos or videos, because afterwards they’ll be analyzed, and actors and inconsistencies will be exposed.
And if you doubt the Frenchies were in on the hoax, than consider that (a) there were emergency drills for precisely this multi-attack scenario on the very day of the attack (what are the odds?), and (b) while they were totally inept to prevent the attacks they then immediately went into high performance mode to determine within less than three hours where the attack was coming from.
Israel and France planted this hoax into the face of the French people and the entire world, and now it’s being exploited for war and against civil rights (three months!) and, possibly, against French dissidents. Don’t let them get through with this hoax.
@Lumi
“And there were no victims, it’s all a fake.”
Yeah,it was all just a hoax….
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=06d_1447585266
You degrade this good blog!
@KM
Then explain why there is a trail of red paint around the lying bodies on the floor instead of blood spattered on/from the victims.
Explain also why the theatre looks extremely clean considering that a full crowd was presumably there.
There is ‘blood’ at the theatre but no blood around the covered bodies on the street. Keen to understand your explanation on that as well.
I assume that any critical thinker would be able to answer these three basic questions, hey DM?
Btw KM
Have a look at this link and tell me that crisis actors were not used in the Paris ‘attacks’….
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=124674
Deja vu, oui?
And TS……..The band ‘supposed’ to be playing was flown back home A.S.A.P.
also…
zweistein on November 15, 2015 · at 1:54 pm UTC
Victoria Soto is one very unlucky girl.
She was among the almost-victims of the Aurora shootings, all in tears at Sandy Hook. Then she just barely saved her life at the Boston Marathon bombing, and now, what a poor girl, almost got blown away in Paris again…
https://www.facebook.com/kartenhausdesglaubens/photos/a.1524938097723628.1073741831.1524919127725525/1654703071413796/?type=3
Whow, one (1) photo of a prepared crime scene (pun unavoidable), and guess what, it’s a smartphone *screenshot*, and blurry at that. Who do they think they can fool, my deceased grandmas?
Paris asking EU countries for military support … :)
What I think has happened behind the scenes … Paris has tried to pull in NATO (as Saker warned they would), but Obama has said NYET. So now Paris is down to imploring EU member countries.
I don’t think Germany will follow lead, because despite being occupied and all, zionist infiltration is not at the level it seems to be in France.
Will Satanyahu come out and offer France assistance? Don’t think so either … too dangerous for Israel to go against both Putin and Obama.
This franco-zionist Bataclan hoax is a non-starter.
People need to wise up as to how they always hoax you the same way by invoking the suffering of the alleged victims, and dare you not asking question – a trick which has proven to work extremely well on misericordious goyim.
As KM posted below with the pictures,the victims were not a hoax,the reasons and perpetrators of the attacks are the issue.Many people ask in these attacks why there aren’t more pictures of the victims.I believe its because of the thinking on death in the West.Westerners have no problem posting pictures of dead in Syria and Iraq.And in Donbass and at the Odessa Massacre.But in those cases those people are considered “different” from us.Within our own society we don’t post many photo’s of dead bodies.The US/NATO has a horror of posting even photo’s of their dead soldiers in coffins,let alone laying dead in the streets.And even in natural disasters or fires when many are killed,you never see photo’s of mass numbers of dead Westerners laying on the ground.Its just “not done” in the West.I suspect no Newspaper or TV Channel would dare to post them.The outrage from the government and public would be horrific.So,while its good to always question claims.Its not a big reason alone for suspicion not seeing the photo’s of victims.
@UB1
With all due respect, why are the bodies not covered? This I find rather inexplicable – yes the scene might have been closed off to the public but why are the investigators not there taking better pictures – it shocks me that pictures would be allowed to be taken by what seems to be a mobile phone?
The MSM have their ways to censor everything but they didn’t hesitate to show the execution of Gaddafi and display his wounded body in a hut in broad daylight for visitors to witness. Sites like liveleaks have proven to be very open wrt potentially offensive material?
And in the truthseeker link I posted above (btw, my username is unrelated to the domain name), what exactly are those people doing acting that way? Btw, the half naked man was used by MSM to show the alleged horrors of the attack. I have seen many examples of crisis actors being used, many laughing prior to the recording of the video.
You didn’t happen to get a glimpse of the Boston bombing wheelchair ‘victim’ getting help putting on his prosthetic leg with fake, bright colored blood spilled everywhere before that video was removed by youtube? And how did the wheelchair magically appear… yes I could use more examples to argue my point but it would be good to get some rationale as answers to some of these questions.
Scottish press published gruesome pictures of the dead.
@Anonymous
Great, provide links to support your argument please.
The Scottish press is also part of the Empire’s MSM, is it not? Strange that the Empire would fail to publish it’s news material across the globe.
“The Enemy is at Home!” Karl Leibknecht
The comments at The Saker are heartfelt and sweet. We love you all.
But: We know who murdered the French, Lebanese, Palestinians, Syrians, Lybians, New Yorkers (Twin Towers), the Kennedys, Lennon, Malcolm X, ML King, Lumumba, and millions of Africans, Iraqis, Afghanis, Indonesians, Vietnamese, Libyans, the Russian air passengers, and many more to come.
Russian President Vladimir Putin says he knows the 40 nations who finance the terrorists, but failed to name them. Forgot them? Failed to write them down?
Hmmmm! Lets name the leaders of the most important two-2 of those nations (and let Vladimir Putin off the hook). Let the leader of the Russian nation offer his deals (that can never be accepted, by the Terrorists), deals that were offered at an earlier time-but not accepted by Hitler, Krupp, and his coterie of wealthy Western oligarchs in 1939, as Europe exploded in war.
Terrorists terrorize; terrorists attempt to rule uni-polar world empires; they cannot deal. They do not deal. They respond to resistance by burning Warsaw. They respond to the People’s victories in Syria by pushing the sheeple’s Panic buttons. It is what they do. It is their tried and proven modus operandus, their Reischstag fire.
I will not allow my -Anarchist Collective- to reveal the two-2 major terrorist powers responsible for all (I said all) the terror events listed above, and more. I refuse to let my Good Old Boys take the credit for being intelligent. Do they thing we are a democratic organization? Instead, I will ‘leak’ the names of the 2 Nations and some of their leaders, myself, with the intent of winning the Nobel pizza prize all for myself.
Ladies and gentlemen, in this envelope, postmarked from Tel Aviv, and Washington DC, the names of the Oligarch terrorists responsible for all the above butcheries, (with a little help from their paid stooges, England, France, Germany, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and a few others not worthy of mention), and more to come are….., damn, I’ve run out of ink………
For the Democratic Republics!
IMAGINE
Why France ? France has what other countries do not have: Bernard Henry Levy – BHL.
He’s the Supreme Leader, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, the Defense Minister, the one-man Think Tank, the one man Council on Foreign Relations, and the “weather” man.
… and not to forget BHL is also the Philosopher, the Historian, the Holocaust specialist, the Columnist, everybody’s favorite talk-show Guest, and Kiev’s best friend.
@zweistein
Thanks for adding the other ‘skillsets’ BHL’s curriculum vitae. True he’s a permanent resident in the nauseating French TV shows together with Alain Finkielkraut (FinkielCROTTE as the French call him). .
BHL — enculé et entarté :-)
OT… Some music for these troubled times.
Here is Father Foty Mochalov with his “golden Voice”
https://02varvara.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/14-november-2015-heres-some-more-from-fr-foty-mochalov-of-the-golden-voice/
And here singing in English from Lion King – Circle Of Life – Иеромонах Фотий (Мочалов).
https://vk.com/video-94644184_171483275
Why France? may because Russia has found out who shot the russian plane and warned of war if no similar “event” is staged as a payback from the west. Beirut was used as a diversion. France is the scapegoat..Possible?? Perhaps…after this there will be cooperation with Russia from the west.
Blaming Russia!!??Back under your bridge, matey.
No. The West had to do the False Flag themselves…
The article should have a by line. “Kakaouskia”
France has a the largest muslim community in Europe
France has the largest jewish community in Europe
France is in deep crisis with huge unemployment problem.
Young muslim generation is heavily touched by the social difficulties.
The jewish oligarchs keep the society locked by the control on mass media.
Who wants chaos in Europe has to destabilize France, the most explosive country in Europe. The best way is to create hate and fear between white french – arabs – jewish. Create civil war.
Sorry for my poor english
Vuk
Your English is very fine.
Think Russia and the big picture: silence France – Paris, the gateway to Europe – weaken Russia.
There is this pretty good video on “the truth about France”
https://youtu.be/cjvPj7WAX7A
seems pretty good, though I would not say I agree with everything in there.
Yeah, that guy Stefan Molyneaux has some good points – it’s worth watching the video, especially at around the 23 minute mark, when he mentions that outsiders look at democracies and believe that deomcratic populations choose and control their leaders, so if France is attacking some group, the nation is perceived to be behind its leader’s actions.
HI Alan,
It’s confirmed: Turkey cancels $3.4Billion defense contract with China.
Yesterday someone posted links by Press TV (Iran) where the Iranian article gloated about the cancellation (obvious that Iran was not happy about China helping Iran’s enemy). Because of the gloating in the Press TV article, we couldn’t be sure about the reliability of the article. Well now I found confirmation on Asia Times online (more reliable) and AFP.
Yes it’s true that Turkey has dumped the Chinese in the trash, I’m sure after copying and stealing all the detailed specifications. I’ve worked with Chinese engineers and bidding teams, they are very friendly and accommodating and willing to share information very readily (to prove themselves, to prove their flexibility and knowledge, to prove their systems really possess advanced capabilities, to prove their speed and to please the customer). I am sure the Turks have used the good will of the Chinese and stolen a lot of info and specifications. Now they will turn around and hand a lot of that to the next contractors.
What is china thinking? They are shooting themselves in the foot giving high-technology to Islamist snakes like Erdogan. Countries run by closet Sunni-Wahabi elements cannot to be trusted for China – these Wahabi/Salafi types are the ones training and funding Uigur terrorists.
This is a terrible slap in the face of China, first the Turks lead the Chinese on, waste their money and time, then the steal the specifications and concept ideas.
http://atimes.com/2015/11/turkey-cancels-3-4-bln-missile-deal-with-china/
I wish the guy would stop using ”islamist terrorists” because his intentions are not good, he wants his viewers to swallow that it is muslims, it is islam..
This guy is an agent provocator
Because the first false flag with Charlie Hebdo went so well.
Paul Craig Roberts explains it better than I could
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/16/washington-refines-its-false-flag-operations-paul-craig-roberts/
From the most recent Roberts article on the zionazi false flag in France:
“How come ISIL never attacks Israel?”
That is the question everybody should be asking.
vot tak on November 17, 2015 · at 2:12 am UTC
From the most recent Roberts article on the zionazi false flag in France:
“How come ISIL never attacks Israel?”
That is the question everybody should be asking.
Get the point?
1. Although they (ISIL-ISIS-bad guys) might be used to ‘attack’ ‘israel’ if the Zionists need an immediate excuse for a military offensive – land grab.
2. Who benefits from these terrorist attacks, such as the one in Paris?
3. Who loses?
4. What do we lose? (what are we deprived of?)
5. How do a Free People – Respond?
IMAGINE
@ Steven Starr,
I agree. A must read.
All parts are powerfully written, the following raises powerful questions. Clearly PCR is a student of past FF attacks:
“The Western media has avoided many interesting aspects of the Paris attacks. For example, what did the directors of the CIA and French intelligence discuss at their meeting a few days prior to the Paris attacks. Why were fake passports used to identify attackers? Why did the attacks occur on the same day as a multi-site simulation of a terrorist attack involving first responders, police, emergency services and medical personnel? Why has there been no media investigation of the report that French police were blinded by a sophisticated cyber attack on their mobile data tracking system? Does anyone really believe that ISIL has such capability?”
“Does anyone really believe that ISIL has such capability?”
UK’s Chancellor, George Osborne does. Just announced £1.9 billion/year extra spending to counter IS computer hacking attacks against hospitals and other civil institutions.
Paul Craig Roberts is an interesting (and approved) political opponent. His role is to ease the pressure on the imperialist Oligarchs – by leaking some of the most damaging (to the oligarchs) information, a little at a time, so as to avoid an explosion. He is not the first to play this role and will not be the last.
I beg to differ with Roberts, but Trump and Sanders are -Not “political outsiders.” Not even close. Both have long public histories as supporters of Zionist/American/Militarist Imperialism. They have long supported the Military Financial Complex, and supported all of America’s terrorist crimes (from Vietnam, to Indonesia, to Guatemala, to Nicaragua, to Afghanistan, to Iraq, to Libya, etc.).
If Roberts is so principled and brilliant, how can he get something so easy, (as the political role of Trump and Sanders) so completely wrong?
He is an agent; and his forte is mis-direction.
IMAGINE
Why France?
Because the zionazis have been successful so far with their previous false flags there. The things are sitting on a propaganda winning streak, why break it?
A bit more seriously, the zionazis have the false flag infrastructure well honed in France – regime quislings, media, the works. These parasites go with proven to work planning and introduce changes only incrementally, as needed.
Notice how this latest zionazi terror attack has included several past false flag elements? For example. Trained gunmen attacking multiple places simultaneously, as in Mumbai. Several emplanced brothers working together, like with Boston marathon.
Not sure if this was posted but looks like the US is sending a carrier task force set to arrive in about 6 weeks to the ME area alongside France’s recently dispatched ships. Offensive in the making?
https://www.rt.com/usa/322360-uss-harry-truman-deployed-isis/
“… Why France …”
Might that have something to do with the Tribe’s infiltration into the French government apparatus, no?…
François Hollande, Zionist Always, by Thierry Meyssan, http://www.voltairenet.org/article181169.html
Yeah, maybe the infrastructure in France is so controlled by Zionists that its the easiest place to hit.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
“An attack of this sort is extremely sophisticated and is beyond the capability of ISIL,” the analyst told Press TV Monday.
“I think the story was false. I do not think that refugees can smuggle automatic weapons and bombs into European countries,” he said.
http://presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/17/437940/Paris-US-NATO-Russia-Syria-Daesh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96k_8ywt22g
“Putin:
ISIS financed form 40 countries including some G20 members.”
“Some G20 members” mean at least 2:
most likely
Turkey – also a NATO -member (what implications does this have I wonder…)
Saudi Arabia (NATO- partner)
Who might be the “others”?
He also presented satellite images form ISIS oil sales, with convoys 10s of kilometres long.
The western media liars have missed the greatest story of the year
“I do not think that refugees can smuggle automatic weapons…”
Not true at all : used Kalashnikov for 1500€ in Marseille (South France).
Even the small drug gangs have been killing each other with these weapons (easy to buy for them) for years in Marseille.
The explosive used isn’t that difficult to make.
The passport *found*, even if it sounds VERY strange for many journalists here, belongs to a refugee, yes, confirmed by Greek Authorities.
BUT, it doen’t mean AT ALL that it’s a refugee who dropped it there. It might have been stolen/falsified and dropped there ON PURPOSE by someone else.
Last, It’s a bit disgusting to read here that there were only red paint and no deads into “Le Bataclan”.
In French in the text. Goodbye my friend.
http://news.sfr.re/Une-famille-reunionnaise-endeuillee-suite-aux-attentats-de-Paris_a10479.html
The news is saying all the perpatrators were Europeans:
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151118/1030292761/paris-attackers-were-europeans.html
Yes, so the reasons given to bomb another country is very amateurish.
Why didn’t the US bomb Saudi Arabia when they suspected Bin Laden if the same logic were applied?
Answer: Because Afghanistan has most of the world’s opium.
So the theme of this article is that France was attacked because of its arms industry? But the attacks do nothing to damage the arms industry, and on the contrary they help it because France is surely now going to intensity its efforts against Isis. So I don’t see how the author is making any sense.
Because of Charlie Hebdo and the more iconic nature of Paris than Brussels. Interesting that nobody’s posted a link to Pepe Escobar’s lengthy article about the attack, probably because, like me, he knows it wasn’t a false flag attack, which the majority here favor, http://atimes.com/2015/11/paris-terror-attacks-who-profits-escobar/
lots of bull being posted here.the most obvious reason france is being attacked is simple.the islamic conquest of france has progressed the futherest in france compared to any other european country .a permanent base has been setup in french cities from which terrorists can freely roam amongst a large local population.belguim is not far behind.
france is cooked…..the chickens from the french colonial past have come home to roost
@Mcohen
Re:
the islamic conquest of france has progressed the futherest
Try that nonsense on another website: the non muslim “Liberal” French elite are responsible for cultivating, fomenting, organizing and funding Islamic terrorism, they are also responsible for encouraging Islamic radicals to immigrate to France. This non-Muslim French “elite” is made up of ethnic French Catholics, ethnic French Atheists, ethnic French Agnostics and both middle-eastern (Sephardic) and Central Asian/dniepr/Volga origin (Ashkenazi) Jews. This so callled “elite” are also the swine that have been funding Islamic terrorism in the middle east and systematically helping destroy secular Middle Eastern governments: Saddam/Baathist Iraq, Assad government in Syria, the secular Mubarak government of Egypt – bringing Muslim brotherhood beast Morsi to power, the now destroyed the secular socialist regime of kaddhafi in Libya, trying to foist an Islamist regime on Tunisia, EU imposing conditions undermining of the secular nature of the Turkish constitution that allowed the secular military to remove a proven Islamist President if one were to come to power.
Stop blaming the symptom (Islamist terrorism) and trying to distract people from the cause (the Mafia that rules the West). The cause of global terrorism is by in large the Western Mafia elite, their Zionist collaborators in cahoots with their malicious Wahabist/Salafist partners ruling Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Pakistan.
Are the days of the Fifth Republic coming to an end in France? I would say,there is a strong possibility they are.Where are the French today? In the past the French were a difficult people to govern.Their didn’t put up with tyranny easily.Many governments fell over the slightest problem.Today,they are slowly (maybe quicker now) creating a police state in France.And so far the people aren’t even protesting that.What past French government could have survived two terrorist attacks of the horror that France has had just this year.Attacks directly linked to the actions of the French government itself.The French people almost brought (and have at times) their governments down for far less.And yet not a sign of protests today.So why is that? I suspect several “culprits” are to blame.France isn’t the France of my youth anymore.The France of today is multicultural,not an age old multiculturalism of native peoples in a land.But a new multiculturalism of immigrants from distant lands.And that has weakened solidarity among the French public.Notice that even in the latest attacks many of the restaurants and bars attacked in Paris weren’t French.And the concert was a multicultural audience listening to a US band.The elites know that a weakened national unity makes it easier to control the public and have pushed immigration in Europe for that purpose.France “used” to be independent,but today has become a “province” of the EU.And the global elites dominate it.Whether some of them or born in France or not.They serve globalist interests,not French ones.The question I feel we will see in the next days is whether anything of the old France is left to be saved.Or has it totally died.And the new France become nothing to worry about saving.
Good post, Uncle B. I concur with everything, even right down to: “France “used” to be independent, but today has become a “province” of the EU” which is a bit spooky because that’s precisely what I shouted at the TV yesterday when Hollande finished his speech, he said something like; “The Republic will prevail,” or words to that effect and I was, like; “Republic?! What Republic? All you are now is an EU province!”
“The question I feel we will see in the next days is whether anything of the old France is left to be saved. Or has it totally died [..]”
That’s the question indeed. I’d imagine what’s happening in France is probably the same problem all western countries have; the youth is not politically engaged. They pass their time with their faces glued to their smart phones and social media. They know all about the newest trend on twitter, or the latest pointless article in Gawker, but do they have any idea about what is happening in the world, or their own home countries?
I very much doubt it.
Every new generation of young adults know less about politics and currents events than the last, and the less they know the easier they are to manipulate, like at election time, or how to react to events like a terrorists attack.
“The France of today is multicultural, not an age old multiculturalism of native peoples in a land. But a new multiculturalism of immigrants from distant lands. And that has weakened solidarity among the French public [..]”
Spot on! That’s why the EU establishment is so hell-bent on forcing Multiculturalism down everyone’s throats, and those who don’t agree [which are the silent majority, it must be said] are demonized (racists/xenophobes/bigots/extreme right-wingers), ostracized (etc) There are even attempts to criminalize them.
The European multicultural “phenomenon” is not a from-the-bottom-up, organic, random occurrence. Is very much manufactured from the top down. It’s one of the most extreme “social engineering” experiments I can think of. The aim? Break down societal cohesion and solidarity. In other words: Good ol’ divide and rule.
-TL2Q
Love this guy! Btw… ;-)
…
Muslim decries ISIS terrorists for trying to impose Sharia law on the West in video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSi8EkPB1js
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Brit media picked-up on this here:
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‘If you don’t like this country, why the f*** did you come here?’ Muslim man’s impassioned speech decrying ISIS for trying to impose Sharia law on the West takes social media by storm
“Video has emerged of an impassioned speech by a Muslim decrying ISIS terrorists for trying to impose Sharia law on the West.
The man launches in to a three-minute tirade and lashes out at violent extremists saying: ‘If you don’t like this country, why the f*** did you come?‘.
The video has been widely shared online after gunmen murdered 129 people in Paris in a wave of terror attacks in Paris [..]”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3321962/If-don-t-like-country-f-did-come-Impassioned-speech-Muslim-decries-ISIS-terrorists-trying-impose-Sharia-law-West.html
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‘We need to wage a jihad against the jihad’: French Muslims join mourners to condemn Paris attacks…
“French Muslims joined mourners to condemn Paris attacks in main square [..]”
“As crowds continued to gather at the Place de la République last night, laying flowers and lighting candles in memory of the dead, a group French Muslims held up banners and started to chant.
‘Unite against brutality, unite for humanity!’ They shouted. ‘Killing any human is killing all mankind! Saving any human is saving all mankind! [..]”
IMAGE: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/17/13/2E86CA0400000578-0-image-a-47_1447765629096.jpg
‘Paris is “Middle-Easting”. We now have the same problems that they have in the Middle East, in Egypt, Palestine and Syria,’ said Natalie Augier, a historian and terrorism expert, as she gazed in disbelief at the smashed-up facade of the Casa Nostra café, where five diners were killed.
‘There is a very radical mosque just around the corner from here. I know how these people work and operate. They don’t speak to women, they dress them up as lampshades. They are not integrated at all, yet they are allowed to live among us and spread their poison.
‘Thousands and thousands of refugees are pouring in and we know some terrorists are with them. We are paying for our stupidity [..]”
More at the Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322064/We-need-wage-jihad-against-jihad-French-Muslims-join-mourners-condemn-Paris-attacks-late.html
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-TL2Q
“If you don’t like this country, why the f*** did you come?‘.”
The ISIS should have a very easy time in answering this, along the lines:
“It is *you* Westerners who *came to us* – and not vice versa. *You* plundered our lands and murdered our people, and we are only attempting to retaliate. But a mere 200 dead of your people dwarf the untold hundreds of millions of our people that you murdered over the years. You hypocrites.”
@Anonymous 11:59, Nov. 17th, 2015.
Wrong! Your posting doesn’t answer the question asked: “If you don’t like this country why the eff did you come?”
According to the reasoning in your post the honest answer to that question from an Islamist (Islamic Supremacist) would be:
“Because, i am coming under false pretenses – because I want revenge and I intend to do as much damage and harm as I possibly can.” – signed hypocritical perennial Islamist victim (who conveniently forgets all the people my co-religionists murdered, pillaged, raped and ruined to build the Islamic Empire and original Caliphate.)
Listening to an Islamist complain about foreign conquest and colonization of so-called “”Islamic lands” is like listening to a member of the Mongol Horde complain about being looted by Indo-Iranian Steppe raiders – the hypocrisy gets a little to hard to swallow. Or here’s another example: listening to an Islamist complain about foreign conquest of his land is akin to listening to a rabid hateful Israeli settler complain about Palestinian “encroachment” on land the settler stole from the Palestinians “fair and square”.
Now if an Arab/Persian nationalist made the same argument you wrote at least it would be legimate, logically consistent and better able to hold it’s own. It’s when the argument is made by an Islamist/Islamic-Supremicist that it becomes illegitimate and hypocritical.
Kinda blows up your own anti-multiculturalism argument doesn’t it? Here you have immigrant Muslims saying exactly the same things native Europeans are thinking (but too scared to say)
Common sense is nearly universal.
There’s nothing wrong with multiculturalism when is organic, naturally paced and orderly organized by reasonable immigration laws.
The problem with the European brand of multiculturalism is that it was imposed on the natives against their whishes, back when the flood gates where opened wide 40 plus years ago… in order to weaken worker’s rights movements, unions, and the working-class in general.
It got even worse, way worse, in the last 10 years (hence; the insane European levels of unemployment, particularly amongst the 18 to 25 group)
Either if you are pro or anti-multiculturalism; wahhabism has no place in civilized society. Period! No ifs… no buts.
This repulsive ideology is at the core of many (if not all) ethnic frictions; in Europe, in Africa, in the Middle East, in the ex-Soviet Union regions (etc).
But! European leaders don’t want to touch the subject, not even with a 10 foot pole, unless they absolutely must and when they do; it’s always within the context of “terrorism.” (because… who cares about things like; women’s subjugation, female genital mutilation, rape of minors, incest… So! Last century issues! Right? Right????)
In other words; wahhabis are perfectly fine with them, unless they start to blow themselves-up, and it’s only at point [when they start killing random people for no reason – never politicians… mind you. Nothing fishy about that… noooo]: when they cross the line into “objectionable” as far as these treacherous, neoliberal, post-modern, ‘jobsworths’ fags are concerned.
The problem is the fundamentalist ideology itself, not at what point salafis/wahhabis decide to “radicalize” themselves and start killing everything that moves.
Screw freedom of religion, wahhabism is an ideology of hate and it shouldn’t be tolerated.
Hate Groups, Anti-Semite Groups are not allowed to assemble nor operate in many countries around the world, I don’t see how this is any different.
If the Europeans were serious about eradicating deviant islamic fundamentalism, at least on their soil [just as Mohammad Marandi said in the latest Cross Talk] they would get rid of all, and do mean ALL Mosques, “Muslim” community centers, “Religious” Schools and whatever else that was funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
And that’s just for starters; sanctions, isolation, visa revocations/restrictions should naturally follow.
But of course they’re not serious about it! Nothing will happen until they drop their ‘friends with benefits’ homoerotic relations with the Saudis, Qatar and the rest of the IslamoFascist sponsoring regimes.
The fact that levelheaded, sensible Muslims may be tarred with the same paint-brush than: pedophilic, murderous, misogynist, cannibalistic, psychotic Islamists; makes me even more angry than I already am.
-TL2Q
@Uncle Bob,
Greetings. The 5th Republic unfortunately ended after the ‘French Spring’ better known as May 1968. Forcing Charles de Gaulle to resign, just to be replaced by a Rothschild employee George Pompidou.
…I can’t help wonder why France.
Firstly, they are weak and vicious satraps of the Zio-Atlanticists and Israel:
The French are the painted ladies of international affairs, forever dancing the can-can-do, demanding appreciation for their bow-legged knobby knees, wrinkley fat ankles and delusional sense of entitlement.
Why would anyone want to buy their complete weapons systems knowing full well they can’t honour any contract unless Uncle Sam approves. There is also the matter of French business practices which require customers possess an unlimited willingness to be extorted whenever maintenance or supply is at issue.
The only way the French oligarchy can show they mean business is by murdering their own people.
And I should be clear, by France I refer to the degenerate French political class and their sadististic deep state enforcers. Hollande is despicable. Valls is despicable. Sarkozy is so despicable and Marine Le Pen is a third/fourth way fraud, Ron Paulsters please get your head out of your asses.
All of them are shameless, sociopathic and must eventually be tried for their crimes. I want to know who is responsible for the last hellish moments of Muammar Gaddafi’s life — delivered to him in thankful appreciation for funding Sarko’s re-election campaign.
The Paris attacks came after multiple failures at playing a cheap and dirty false-flag trick. That’s why so many incidents occurred. They tried it over and over, finally succeeding by partially sabotaging Russian momentum for a peaceful settlement — needlessly prolonging the misery of so many people like they did in 2012.
The essential question, cui bono, answers itself. Who has been losing so badly since the Russian airstrikes began? Obviously it was the Zio-fascists, Israel plus the Gladio-NATO terror regime, the backers of a disintegrating ISIS, who perpetrated this part mass murder, part show.
It will all be for nought.
No one respects the French elite, least of all les americaines. I don’t believe they will succeed in either deraiing the peace process or re-establishing themselves as important players. In a week this will all be forgotten. NATO is still very much on its back foot and it will take time to stabilize the terrorist defenses and Kurdify the terrorities they seek to control.
The pathetic effort to tie this attack to Assad, based on the traditional plot-twist for idiot-consumers of mainstream media, a conveniently dropped passport, is evidence French strategists are completely detatched from reality. Russia has already won the propaganda war by demonstrating who is responsible for ISIS, now providing evidence to back up their claim.
Russia should not be pulling its punches, having just lost 224 of their own. They need to press their claim and provide incontrovertible evidence of the links between those who back ISIS including France. They need to prove their case to the whole world and stop pretending their opponents are reasonable people capable of responding to a persuasive argument.
What is most important are the evolving facts on the ground. ISIS is disintegratiing but the critical moment may pass unless the Russians and SAA can press their advantage.
Which begs the question, where the HELL are the Iranians?!
Salam C I eh?,
The war was over when Hezbollah packed up and left. ISIS (goddess) is the figment of imagination. Russia is at the doors of IsraHell. What is left is more chaos to bring Russia in Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya and the rest of Middle East.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Saker
Regarding the reports of the French airforce bombing targets in Raqqa, I assume that if reports are true, then this would be second phase of the geopolitical war in Syria and that the Empire is now planning to divide Northern Syria by giving land to the Kurds and thus establishing a pipeline path from Qatar, through Iraq and Northern Syria and then through to Turkey?
What is your assessment on this hypothesis? And how would the Russians respond given that they have not yet installed the S-400s (public statement was issued to confirm this) to completely seal off Syria’s airspace.
France was the cradle of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, the French Resistance, Paris is the city of love, was a refuge for Russians during the Bolshevik war years, (they were kept very busy, running between Stalin in the East and Hitler in the West); numerous other reasons probably, to give Paris a good whack on the head at this point at the end of history.
Here is a rough and dirty translation of Thierry Meyssan’s recent article in French (Novemeber 16). It is definitely worth the read. Bolding and italics are mine.
The French Republic as Hostage
by Thierry Meyssan
The war extending into Paris is incomprehensible to the French who know little about the covert activities of their government in the Arab world, its unnatural alliances with Gulf dictatorships and its active involvement in international terrorism. This policy has never been discussed in Parliament nor in the mainstream media which rarely dares show interest.
For five years the French have heard about distant wars without understanding the cause. The press informed them of the commitment of their army in Libya, but not of the presence of French troops deployed to the Levant. My articles about it are widely read but perceived as oriental quirks. Despite my personal history, it is fashionable to qualify them as “extremist” or “conspiratorial” and it is noted that my articles are reproduced by websites of all persuasions, including the genuinely extreme and conspiratorial. Yet nobody finds anything wrong with what I write. Nobody listened to my warnings about alliances that France had concluded.
Suddenly, the truth ignored has surfaced.
France was attacked on the night of Friday, November 13, 2015 by several commandos who killed at least 130 people in five different places in Paris. A state of emergency was declared for 12 days on the entire territory of France and can be renewed by Parliament at any time.
There is no direct link with the Charlie Hebdo affair.
The French press interprets this as an act of war by linking it to the attack on Charlie Hebdo, although the specifics are completely different. In January, [the attacks] were meant to kill specific people, whereas this time it was a coordinated attack against large numbers of random people.
We now know that (1) Charlie Hebdo’s editor had just received a “gift” of 200,000 euros from the Near East to continue his anti-Muslim campaign; (2) the killers were linked to the French intelligence services; (3) the origin of their weapons is considered an official defense secret. I have already shown that this attack was not an Islamist operation (4), had been an immediate state recovery and that recovery had met a hostile response in the population the Republic (5) — an idea that was brilliantly developed a few months later by the demographer Emmanuel Todd.
If we go back to the war that has now spread to Paris, it is a surprise in Western Europe. We can compare it with the Madrid bombings of 2004. In Spain, there was no gunman or bomber, but 10 bombs in four separate locations. The scene that just took place in France is the daily lot of many populations across the “broader Middle East” since 2001. And we find similar events beyond, like the three days of attacks in six separate locations in Mumbai in 2008.
Although the attackers were Muslims and some shouted “Allahu Akbar!” while killing passersby, there is no connection between these attacks, Islam and the so-called “clash of civilizations.” Thus, these commandos were instructed to kill randomly, without first inquiring as to the religion of their victims.
Identically, it is absurd to evoke the message [of vengeance] by Daesh against France -even though there is no doubt about its involvement in the attack. If the terrorist organization wanted “vengeance” is in Moscow they would hit.
France has been a terrorist state since at least 2011
Reading these events is difficult because behind all non-state actors are the states who sponsor them. In the 70s Venezuelan Carlos the Jackal had begun with a conviction to serve the Palestinian cause and the Revolution with discreet support from the USSR. In the 80s, the example of Carlos was taken by mercenaries working for the highest bidder, as with “Abu Nidal” who carried out attacks as well on behalf of Libya and Syria against Israel. Today there is a nebula of terrorism and covert action involving many States.
In principle, States still deny their involvement in terrorist groups. However, the French Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius, said in December 2012, at the conference of “Friends of Syria” in Marrakech, that Al-Nusa, the Syrian branch of al Qaeda, “in fact is they do a good job.”
Given their role, Mr. Fabius knew he would not be prosecuted for his support of a listed terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council, but he did place his country at serious risk plunging it into the cauldron of terrorism.
In reality, France has been directly involved alongside Al Qaeda since at least 2011. At the time, the United Kingdom and France had joined the US proposed “Arab Spring” plan. The purpose was to overthrow secular Arab regimes and replace them with dictatorships of the Muslim Brotherhood. While London and Paris fully discovered this operation while already underway in Tunisia and Egypt, they had previously been asked for support against Libya and Syria. In Libya they organized, with the assistance of the Italian Special Forces, massacres in Benghazi and helped of Al Qaeda to take control of various arsenals. I can attest that in August 2011, when I was protected by Khamis al-Gaddafi while NATO assaulted the capital, at the Rixos hotel where we were was besieged by a unit of Al Qaeda known as The Tripoli Brigade, commanded by Mahdi al-Harati to the cry of “Allah Akbar!” and surrounded by French officers in the mission. The same situation occurred with Mahdi al-Harati and its chief Abdelhakim Belhaj, the founder of the so-called Free Syrian Army, in reality an Al Qaeda group carrying the flag of French colonization.
In Syria, the presence of French officers framing armed groups for perpetrating crimes against humanity is widely attested.
France has subsequently played an extremely complex and dangerous game. In January 2013, one month after Laurent Fabius publicaly supported Al Qaeda in Syria, France embarked on an operation in Mali against the same al Qaeda, causing the first backlash against its undercover agents in Syria.
You have never heard of this because although France has democratic institutions, its current policy in the Arab world has never been discussed publicly. At best it is simply a violation of Article 35 of the Constitution by going to war against Libya and against Syria after only a few hours of superficial parliamentary debate, without a vote. French parliamentarians have waived their control of the executive mandate on foreign policy, thinking that it is a reserved domain of the president, without consequences to everyday life. Everyone can see the effect today on peace and security, one of the four fundamental “Human Rights and the Citizen” of 1789 constitution (Article 2). The worst is to come.
In early 2014, when the Liberal US hawks were developing their Islamic Emirate transformation plan in Iraq and the sham that became Daesh, France and Turkey supplied ammunition to al Qaeda to combat the EIS -this point is evidenced by a document presented to the Security Council July 14, 2014. However, France subsequently joined the secret operation and participated in the anti-Daesh International Coalition, each of which is now known that contrary to its name it does not bombarded Daesh but largua him arms for a year. This evolved after the signing of the 5 + 1 Agreement with Iran. The United States returned suddenly to the field against the terrorist organization and rejected in Hasaka (Syria). But it was not until mid-October 2015, a month ago, that France began to fight Daesh. Not to stop its massacres, but to conquer a part of the territory it occupies in Syria and Iraq and install a new colonial state which would be called “Kurdistan” although its Kurdish population there is still a minority.
In this perspective, France sent its aircraft carrier -which is not yet on Zone- to support the Marxist-Leninist party of the Kurdish YPG-but what does this policy reference when planning to create a [Kurdish] colonial state? – against his former ally Daesh.
We are now witnessing the second backlash. Not from al Qaeda in Syria, but from Daesh in France, on instructions of unmentionable allies of France.
Who runs Daesh?
Daesh is an artificial creation. It is the instrument of policy for several states and multinationals.
Its main financial resources are oil, Afghan drugs -including the French who have still not grasped the implications for their solvent, and Levantine antiquities. Everyone agrees that the stolen oil passes freely through Turkey before being sold in Western Europe. Given the volumes, there is no possible doubt on the support of the Turkish state to Daesh.
Three weeks ago a Syrian Arab Army spokesman revealed 3 planes respectively chartered by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates had smuggled Daesh fighters out of Syria and the transported them to Yemen. Again, there is no doubt about the links between these three states and Daesh in violation of relevant Security Council resolutions.
I have explained at length, since the first conference in Geneva in June 2012, a faction within the US state apparatus was conducting its own policy against that of the White House. Initially, this plot was directed by the CIA director and co-founder of Daesh in 2007 (father of “The Surge’), General David Petraeus, until his arrest, handcuffed the day after the reelection of Barack Obama. Then it was the turn of the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was unable to complete her term during the presidential transition period due to an unfortunate “accident.” Finally, the fight [for Daesh] was pursued by Ambassador Jeffrey Feltman from UN offices and General John Allen head of the alleged anti-Desh Coalition. The group, part of the US “deep state,” which has continued to oppose the 5 + 1 agreement with Iran and to fight the Syrian Arab Republic, has supporters within the administration of Obama. Above all, it can count on the help of multinational companies, whose budgets are larger than those of the States, and can fund their covert operations. This is the case of the Exxon-Mobil (the true owner of Qatar), the KKR investment funds, and private army Academi (formerly Blackwater).
It is on behalf of these States and the multinationals that France became a mercenary country.
The French have been blackmailed
On November 11, 2015, the Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, assured us that France was committed [to the fight] against terrorism.
On November 12, the National Observatory of delinquency and criminal responses – attached to the Ministry of Interior published a report stating that terrorism had become the second French concern after unemployment.
The morning of 13 November, the Interior Minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, presented a plan in Nanterre including twenty measures against arms trafficking. Perhaps it should be added the announcement of the restoration of identity checks at borders, even if this decision can be explained by the fear of demonstrations during the Cop21.
Clearly, the government expected the worst, implying that it was negotiating with those who attacked it. France has made commitments that it has not kept and is definitely being blackmailed by the masters she has betrayed.
An exercise simulating attacks was conducted on the morning of the attack on hospital emergency services, under the control of the Ministries of Interior and Defense. A coincidence previously noted in the attacks of September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington, those of 11 March 2004 in Madrid, and those of 7 July 2005 in London.
Provisional Conclusion
Successive French governments have forged alliances with states whose values are opposite to those of the Republic. They have gradually committed to assisting secret wars on their behalf, then retreated. President Hollande, his chief of personal staff General Benoit Puga, his Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius and his predecessor Alain Juppé are now the subject of blackmail which they can not escape without revealing they misled the country, possibly exposing them to [proceedings] in the High Court of Justice.
On 28 September, on the UN podium, President Putin addressed the United States and France and exclaimed: “I would ask those responsible for this situation: Do you know what you have done?” But I fear that this issue will remain unresolved, because these people have not given up their policy based on exaggerated self confidence and a belief in their exceptionalism and impunity.” Neither the Americans nor the French would have listened anyway. It is now too late.
Abu Nidal – LOL! That brings back the memories. Ollie North’s favorite tool.
Here is the official English translation of The French Republic taken hostage by Thierry Meyssan:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189300.html
Russian plane crash in Sinai a terrorist attack – Russian Security Service
The Russian plane crash in Sinai, Egypt, was caused by a terrorist attack as traces of explosives have been found in the wreckage of the plane, Federal Security Service director Aleksandr Bortnikov told President Vladimir Putin.
Trends
“We can say that that [Sinai plane crash] was a terror act,” Bortnikov told Putin. According to the FSB chief, experts analyzed passengers’ belongings as well as the parts of the plane. “After the examination on all these objects, we have found traces of a foreign-made explosive substance,” Bortnikov said.
“During the flight, a homemade device with the power of 1.5 kilograms of TNT was detonated. As a result, the plane fell apart in the air, which can be explained by the huge scattering of the fuselage parts of the plane,” he added.
This not the first time that Russia has faced “barbarous terrorist crimes, more often without apparent causes, outside or domestic, as it was with the explosion at the railway station in Volgograd at the end of 2013,” He added: “We haven’t forgotten anything or anyone. The murder of our nationals in Sinai is among the bloodiest crimes in [terms of] the number of casualties.”
But Russia won’t be “wiping tears from our soul and heart,” he said. “This [tragedy] will stay with us forever. But this won’t stop us from finding and punishing the culprit.”
Vladimir Putin has vowed to find and punish the culprits behind the Sinai plane attack. “Our military work in Syria must not only continue. It must be strengthened in such a way so that the terrorists will understand that retribution is inevitable,” he said.
The Russian president asked the Foreign Ministry to “call on all our [foreign] partners” to assist in the search for the terrorists behind the attack. “We look forward in the course of this work to [help from] all our friends, including in finding and punishing the criminals,” he added.
Russia will act in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter, which provides for countries’ right to self-defense, Putin said. “Those who attempt to assist criminals should be aware that the consequences of such attempts will be entirely their responsibility,” he added.
https://www.rt.com/news/322393-russian-plane-crash-terrorist-attack/
Link the statements by Putin to what he said about certain G20 countries financing ISIS, and I think we can see where this will be going. They now have even greater moral justification than France to do whatever they have to do.
OT, but related – RT reports the Russian investigators have identified a terrorist attack as the cause of the Sinai plane crash, as traces of (probably homemade) explosives have been found in the wreckage:
https://www.rt.com/news/322393-russian-plane-crash-terrorist-attack/
Contrast the speed of this investigation with MH-17…
Why France? Because Hollande (aka Flamby) is the most mIgnon of all EU MIGNON head of states (definitely more Bob than Stuart or Kevin). He proved to be the easy target to US schoollyard bully foreign policy in EU, we all remember the Mistrals episodes….
On a side note French army is clearly upset against him and his predecessor, Sarkozy (aka Talonettes) fro dismentling/shrinking the French army in staff, ships ect.
In 2016, French army will drop the Famas (French Riffle/machine gun) for a foreign one (US i believe i shlla find the artcile back). They’re so annoyed that army is realizing it and in 2017 general Didier Tauzin (some kind of De Gaule under steroids) will be candidate for the 2017 presidential elections if he can gather 5,000 signatures from city mayors (that’s the procedure) across the country.
So yeah, there is some bit of explanation on what is written above in teh artcicle. I’ve been asking myslef the same question over teh week-end only resulting to Hollande “soft” personality, but yes this surely makes sense.
gonna repost all this, rather than just link
If France is at war, “It’s because of the criminal incoherence of French foreign policy, … plunging Syria into chaos”
Syrian rebels. Picture is from the Le Monde article linked in text below: “We can’t let up on our support to the rebels..who share the democratic spirit.”
Guillaume BOREL
In Arrêt sur Info, November 15, 2015
Translated from French by Tom Winter, November 15, 2015
The unprecedented wave of attacks that struck Paris last night, and which left, on first accounting, at least 127 dead, is the direct consequence of the foreign policy conducted by France in Syria, a policy less concerned over the salafist terrorism than it is about the destruction of the country and the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad.
If several authors of the carnage in the Bataclan concert hall were saying, according to witnesses: “It’s Holland’s fault , it is the fault of your President, he did not have to intervene in Syria,” we must consider what was the reality of French politicy in this country since the conflict began in 2011.
The French Republic, as president François Hollande revealed in the interview with journalist Xavier Panon, has been supplying weapons to the Syrian rebels since 2012. Through channels of the DGSE, 20mm cannons, machine guns, rocket launchers, and anti-tank missiles were delivered to the “moderate” rebels, in violation of the arms embargo put in place by the European Union in the summer of 2011.
An advisor in the Elysée recalled, according to Panon:
“Yes indeed, we are furnishing what they need, but within the limits of our means and in accordance with our evaluation of the situation. Under cover, you can’t act except on a small scale, with limited means, limited objectives.”
France has also put special forces on the ground aimed at the training and operational support of the combattants.
In March 2012, 13 French officers got captured by the Syrian Army when the Islamic Caliphate was relaunched in the Baba Amr quarter at Homs by the Al-Farsouq brigade and the Al-Waleed brigade, which would soon leave the FSA to join ranks with the Islamic State.
President Hollande, quoted in Le Monde confided in August 2014:
“We can’t let up on our support that we have been granting these rebels who are the only ones sharing the democratic spirit.”
Since the Syrian president Bashar al-Assad has declared more than once, that there aren’t any “moderate” rebels, one might inquire as to the actual nature of the rebel groups sustained and armed by the French state since 2012.
The Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius declared on this subject that the Al-Nosra front (Syrian branch of Al-Qaida), “was doing a good job.” On the other hand, Syrian relatives of people killed by Syrian rebels entered suit at the tribunal of Paris against Fabius, seeking symbolic reparations for the “personal failings committed by the minister of foreign affairs Laurent Fabius”
And the US Defense Intelligence Agency in a 2012 report had already determined that the help for “moderate” rebels actually benefitted the Islamic State: According to the former agency director, General Flynn, the indirect help of the US and the western coalition to the Islamic State was “an intentional decision.” In an earlier article on the troubled role of the western coalition in Iraq and Syria, I laid out the factually different elements that demonstrated the support and operational cooperation of Turkey, the US, and Israel with different jihadist groups [Western sponsors of the Islamic State].
These different elements show clearly enough that the western coalition, France included, has conducted a policy of support for various jihadist groups in their goal of overturning president Bashar al-Assad, under the pretense of that fiction of bringing help to the mythical “moderate” rebels.
The recent Russian intervention put a spotlight on the true nature of the pretend rebel groups when it brought about a chain of complaints and protestations from the western capitals that the strikes were hurting rebels supported by the West [(!) — Tr.] However, the groups hit by Russian aircraft belong to the Army of Conquest — a collection including the Al-Nosra Front (Syrian branch of Al Qaeda) and such Islamist groups as Ahrar al-Sham.
Unfortunately, it is unlikely that the support of the French executive to jihadist groups in Syria will get exposed in the light of this unprecedented wave of attacks, which nevertheless constitutes its logical and predictable conclusion. The chaos Syria has been reduced to, and the proliferation of jihadist groups are indeed the direct result of the French foreign policy in the Middle East.
Whereas when the earlier attacks in January the executive posited the internet as favoring “autoradicalization” of terrorists, and presented them in falsifying fashion as “lone wolves,” scapegoats for the lapses and incompetence of French Intel and Security services, and introduced devises for mass surveillance of citizens, this policy was mainly aimed at individual freedoms, and has shown its futility today. It is however unlikely that the heads of security services, including the interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve – who have failed yet again – will be held accountable.
The government and the political class are hiding once again behind emotion and an insistence on “national unity.” For all that, the some ones who today declare a state of emergency and the reestablishment of control of the borders were barely just a few weeks back committing our participation in the welcoming of Syrian immigrants, in the name of humanitarian principles, and this despite the reservations of EUROJUST [agency for European judicial coordination], which affirmed that the influx included close connections with terror organizations in Syria.
“It is an alarming situation because we see plainly that the smuggling is destined to finance terrorism and that the migration is often being used for the infiltration of members of the Islamic State.”
If, as president François Hollande says, France is “at war” today, then France essentially owes it to the incompetences of the executive and to the criminal incoherence of French foreign policy that has sustained and armed the jihadists who are plunging Syria into chaos …
Guillaume Borel | 14 novembre 2015″
Good question indeed.
Some thoughts here:
– the attack were expected at every level. I have friend in the gendarmerie who warned me about something going to happen in Paris end of the year. The thinking seemed to be migrant bringing a heap of daesh ppl, too much to monitor for the security forces
– there seems to be a lot of french within Daesh. Maybe that’s the main factor? Lots of French, Russian, and there you have two targets. Who’s left ?
– there seems to be a political agenda at work. F. Hollande has used the term war with full legal meaning to force other countries into a coalition in Syria. Even more significantly, he proposes a change in the constitution to basically brings more power to the executive branch (despite the fact that french constitution provides far more power to executive branch than any other in western countries). He did that *real fast*.
– and of course there is the context. I am not sure we can count on Rafale getting bids (while it makes the news now those are far from yearly event, rather long term sequence) to mean something but there sure is the whole Syrian matters.
I can’t find an obvious explanation but I am bit ill and my mind is clouded. I’d sure like to see something that makes sense out of it.
Yes, why France? and besides, how are we sure this comes from Daesh?
Apparently some witnesses described the attackers as calm, professionally looking and effective white men speaking perfect french. I do not know if those reports are true, but if it is so, it just reminds me of the killings of the “killers of Brabant”, a group of calm, professionnal, acting like military people, who between 82 and 85 attaked about a dozen of supermarkets (always the same brand) in Belgium. They were not going after money: they were coming for killing. They used automatic weapons and killed everyone in sight, men, women, children. They disappeared after a cop who was there for shopping opened fire on their car (always the same type of car, a VW Golf GTI stolen shortly before). To make it short, the remains of the body of one of the men were found around 15 years later buried in the woods. He was an ex-gendarme connected to the far right, and swiss historian Daniele Ganser states in his book “the secret armies of NATO” that this was one of the black ops of NATO (the “Stay Behind” network, a parallel organization created illegally without the states knowledge except for a handful of leaders in each country of Europ) to the effect of consolidating the politic power against the people of Europ. Such operations were effected in almost all the countries of Europ. In Belgium it had the effect of massively reinforcing the security apparatus. In Italy it was built around former fascists, in Germany around former Nazis, in France there seem to have connections with the OAS (Organization of Secret Army) which tried repeatedly to murder General De Gaulle.
Well: that is just a passing thought, but it seems that the investigation has been led with lightning speed (thanks to the good old passport found on the crime scene again), and that everyone is hot for going bombing Syria now, which is just what NATO needs now, isn’t it?
One more comment related to the Copenhangen terract last year and how French were attending (if not involved) at some stage.
It happened during a FEMEN event on women rights Coenhanguen, hight islamophobic and in the presence of their infamous ukro-nazi leader/mascotte Inna Schevchenko (not top less thims time around). A dubious event where you woyuldn’t expect the French embassador attending and later on catching up with his friend Bernard Henry Levy there on the spot.
While this happended the embassador sent tweets to reassure his relative that he was fine, hidding and surviving… and then took the floor on TV for his heroic-kind of Jack Bauer moment, before cutting shotr the intervview to show he was meeting the french inetior ministry at the embassy.
I always found it highly suspicious, it hapened shortly after Charlie (the theme of Prophet Cartonns, we got it) and too many French pro Nato-zionists puppets attending (BHL, FEMEN etc) to be true (ie not a flasflage with some French participation ats ome level), terrortist shot on spot, not trace, evidence whatsoever… I gather one document with the French of Belgian (Molenbeeck lead). Well too much coincidence, some deja vu…
I might be wrong, I don’t know but in the light of recent events, i’m rather reinforced in my belief it was not remote terract by lonewolves…
One last remark, technical this one. We have no details on the number of casualties at Stade France.
Sounds like takfiris screwed up there, while this was supposed to be their biggest hit.
Media are not developping, but there’s something for digging in here. The planing and execution seemeed flawless everywehere else exept at stade de france which could have been the biggest and most spectacular one since it was aired on TV.
Also it’s a stadium with security (not flawless by the way) but i doubt some djihadi dude withe explosives canc ome in with a belt full of explosives. Now the questions:
Why didn’t they hit when people were queing in (and Holland not yet inside the stadium) for maximal damage and why didn’t they hit right at the end or slightly before (assuming Germany would win) same thing for maximum damage?
Holland had his stupid G.W Bush kind of moment/alibi but terrotists screwed up -from their perspecive), Ideas???
Muslims comprise 7.5% of France’s population. Interestingly, Muslims comprise 70% of France’s prison population. French prisons are incubators for Muslim extremism. That might be part of it.
@Peter J.Antonsen
You r the one doing the mis-direction and obfuscation here, Mr.
Because they have the only decent film industry outside of the US? No other country in Europe has enough experienced actors to pull it off.
OK, that is being a bit harsh. But the Hebdo thing seemed as phony as a three-dollar bill, and what we have seen so far in terms of videos or photos looks like part of the large drill that was going on. Not saying no-one died, just saying that the evidence has been rather questionable to the extent it has been shown at all. And there is a lot of symbolism that seems much more important to the dubious secret societies of Europe than a radical Islamist.
HAMLET
Words, words, words.
LORD POLONIUS
What is the matter, my lord?
HAMLET
Between who?
LORD POLONIUS
I mean, the matter that you read, my lord.
———————
It is a matter of the courage for trust, love born from the trust, and the annihilation of confidence.
It is a matter of Mother Russia and the West; she will not survive without Europe. . .
Passport with same details as the one found on body of Syrian bomber surfaces in Serbia
Here: http://www.albawaba.com/news/passport-same-details-one-found-body-syrian-bomber-surfaces-serbia-769564
A man has been arrested in Serbia carrying a passport with the same details as the one found on the body of one of the suicide bombers at Paris’ Stade de France, the Independent reports.
The passport contained all the same personal details but with different photographs, suggesting that both passports are almost certainly fake.
According to the Serbian daily Blic, “it is likely that the two men separately purchased false Syrian passports at the same forger in Turkey”.
French authorities will now need to identify the attacker by his fingerprints.
Since the discovery, serious concerns have been raised that the passport was planted on the attacker to fraudulently identify him as a “refugee terrorist”.
Many far-right leaders have gone as far as to suggest that the hundreds of thousands of Syrians seeking refuge in France are to blame for the horrific Paris attacks.
Why France? because Hollande is the weakest of all the weak non-US NATO leaders, with one of the largest none-US military footprints in Syria? Because he will be easiest to lean on to “do more” in NATO proxy war with Russia?
“Whenever the West is attacked and our innocents are killed, we usually wipe the memory bank. Thus, when reporters told us that the 129 dead in Paris represented the worst atrocity in France since the Second World War, they failed to mention the 1961 Paris massacre of up to 200 Algerians participating in an illegal march against France’s savage colonial war in Algeria. Most were murdered by the French police, many were tortured in the Palais des Sports and their bodies thrown into the Seine. . . . “
Sweden blames israel for paris attack:
http://www.weaselzippers.us/240189-swedens-fm-blames-israel-for-paris-terror-attacks/
Another “Anonymous” websayanim at work spreading hasbara around here. If Margot Wallström had said something similar to what’s being insinuated — in which case she would have been 100% on point indeed — she would have been forced to resign immediately. What she did say was that there is a growing problem with Islamist radicalization, and duly traced the roots of the latter to the fact that many young people in the Middle East, not least in Palestine, feel they don’t have any future. Hence they’re left with basically two choices: accepting their desperate situation or resorting to violence.
There is a Zio-shitstorm raging about Margot Wallström right now. If the Zionists weren’t such hopeless human garbage forever demanding others’ unconditional love and devotion, they could actually put a “positive spin” on MW’s statement as meaning the Palestinians were behind the Paris attacks.
google ”Sweden blames Israel for paris terrorist attack” and see what it gives you
Dear hasbara troll,
No need to google shmoogle whatsoever. I calmly watched the clip where Margot Wallström made the statement the ensuing shitstorm was all about. Just another mindless Zionist screamfest.
Again: If the Zionists weren’t such hopeless human garbage forever demanding others’ unconditional love and devotion, they could actually put a “positive spin” on MW’s statement as meaning the Palestinians were behind the Paris attacks.
yesteday i took my Renault Laguna from auto repair shop. small repair, but costly. i would like to know who is repairing Toyotas for ISIS. who is sending spare parts for vehicles? US gave them Toyotas, did they provide spare parts? customer care?
i think France is framed. France is NATO member pushed in “bear” playground in Syria. they already inclined to be present military in Syria before. this time they needed to be pushed just a little. Hollande is not inteligent leader. action-reaction is not proof of inteligence. but, this time, “bear” will allow France (NATO) to play with him. setup by US failed again.
Even india which has become american vassal is trying to ditch french plane which she had selectef to buy. All under american stooges inside indian elite.
@Aon
ROFL!
Yes American Vassals normally collaborate with Russia on developing strategically sensitive military systems like: precision guided hypersonic cruise missiles – the Indo-Russian Brahmos II cruise missile project; Russia helping American Vassal, India, in developing ICBM carrying nuclear submarines -INS Arihant; American vassal, India, supplying Russia with know how, design guildlines and specifications on advanced avionics -Sukhoi 30MKI/Sukhoi-30SM, and now the smart-suite upgrade on the Su-35; and America Vassal, India, is allowed to collaborate with Russia on the Russian 5th Gen fighter the PAK-FA/FGFA. Of course!
Yep Russia normally shares sensitive strategic technology like know how on miniaturized nuclear reactor for Indian Nuclear subs, with countries that are American vassals. Yes that makes perfect sense.
You must think President Putin is very stupid and naive, he obviously needs your help: why don’t you send him a letter warning him about Indian vassal hood to the Americans? (so that he can stop sharing all this critical technology with India).
While you’re at it can you send off a warning email to President Xi too? You must warn him that he made a big mistake appointing Indian representative as the first President of the BRICS Development Bank. Afterall you can’t have an agent of an American Vassal in charge of $40Billion of Chinese money.
Please hurry! Time is of the essense!
Defence Industry??
There are 5-10 miljon muslims living in France. That is the reason.
Whats her name the ugly woman who is the head of IMF is French, aint he I mean she? And she was all gung-ho LAST WEEK about the Chinese currency being accepted by the IMF by th end of 2016, OH WOW, look, a terrorist attack in France! Whatta coiincidence indeed! USA does have untll the 4nd of 2016 then the dolla’ is kaput! Come on, it’s all abut protecying the dolla’!
the thing that frustrating to me is all these articles in Alternative media that is finding a reason why France deserves this and other terror attacks and also accidents..
Especially for the readers of Saker’s we should all know better than that.
We have learned from the video called “Conversation with Jacob Cohen” linked here a year ago about the Zionist total control over France.
We know about Deuidonne and Alan Sorel…the first being a stand up comic that is highly vocal about this terrible situation in France…and the second a politician that daily risks his life for his views about Zionist control of France and Paris.
But the fact that there have been how many ? Four or five terrorist attacks and ‘accidents’ in France in the past few months…is not to do with the French deserving this…
Its to do with the ability of Israeli companies to shut down anything and everything they want – when they want…in France.
Ann,
Though I am not one to site Ziocrap sites, the one below is an open door to the sick minds of these Zionuts.
Article from Times of Israel :
“Controversial rabbi says Paris attacks punishment for Holocaust”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/controversial-rabbi-says-paris-attacks-punishment-for-holocaust/
Some “religious leader” this rabbi. Behind me Satan!
Carmel by the Sea
OK some more recent facts on the Paris terracts:
-they found a mobile cell phone, nearby bataclan in a bin, allegedly belonging to the djihadists with some kind of “let’s go let’s do it” SMS. Borderline suspicious, ain’t it???
-The owner of Bataclan, a French Sefarat, sold the place two months ago (on 11/09/2015) to a branch of Lagardere group and left France to settle to Israel.
-The found a syringe at the hotel room rented by the most wanted on the run terrorsit. At the same time, artciles reminding djihadis are addicted to CAPTAGON (just like the infmaous ukro-fascist Kyborgs by the way) are poping up on the internet. They’re still working if it was for drugs or the explosives. DNA analysis in progress.
-And now the funny one, though it’s no joke, Sarkozy pronounced himself in favor of reinstatement of death penalty against djihadi kamikazes! (bearing in mind that French police has this bad habit of getting them dead rather than alive when the djihadis screw up anyway)
There’s this (also reported on RT today, btw)
And if you folks have the time, I will strongly encourage you to read not just the article, but particularly the comment section…
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Putin hits ISIS where it hurts: Russia hits more than 200 targets in 24 hours as Moscow aims to cut off jihadists’ income by taking out refinery and oil trucks
“Russia has released footage which shows its fighter jets targeting oil trucks and a refinery, as Moscow confirmed it hit more than 200 targets in Syria in 127 sorties.
On Tuesday alone, the day Russia confirmed a terrorist attack caused the downing of a passenger jet in Egypt, it hit 206 targets a defence ministry source told RT. France meanwhile said it had destroyed 35 targets since the terrorist attack.
As well as flying from an airfield near Latakia, they also flew strategic bombers from Russian territory [..]”
“Last month it was revealed ISIS is still making more than £320million a year from oil, despite the US-led bombing campaign which was meant to break up the insurgency [..]”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3324789/Russia-hits-ISIS-hurts-Raids-target-oil-trucks-Syria.html
-TL2Q
Meanwhile… we have this from FortRuss…
Seriously! What the hell are we supposed to do with these knuckle-draggers?
My personal preference is to throw them into an active volcano; balls first… But, hey! That’s just me!
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Chechen jihadis leave Syria to fight for Ukraine against Russia
“[..] Some of them say they have trained, at least, in the Middle East with fighters for the so-called Islamic State, or ISIS”
“[..] Ukrainian patriots, desperate to gain an edge in the fight against the Russian-backed forces, are willing to accept the Chechen militants on their side”
“The Daily Beast spoke with the Chechen militants about their possible support for the Islamic State and its affiliate in the Northern Caucasus region of Russia, [..]”
“The Chechen fighters said they were motivated by a chance to fight in Ukraine against the Russians, whom they called “occupiers of our country, Ichkeriya,” another term for Chechnya [..]”
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/chechen-jihadis-leave-syria-to-fight.html
-TL2Q