Written especially for Russia Insider
The Ukrainian Defense Minister Valerii Geletei is hardly a credible figure.
Not only did he recently declare that Russia had threatened the Ukraine with nuclear strikes, he even told a Ukrainian journalist that Russia had already executed two tactical nuclear strikes on the city of Lugansk (apparently to explain why the Ukrainian forces had to retreat from there). The Junta later denied the story and blamed it on the journalist who first published it.
Despite these antics, Geletei nonetheless caught the world’s attention when he promised the Ukrainian Rada that the Ukraine would retake Crimea and organize a victory parade in Sevastopol. The Rada (Ukraine’s parliament) greeted that promise with a standing ovation.
The truth is that this will never happen. Here is why:
By 2020 Russia will have completed the following defense plan:
- 86.7 billion rubles will be spend to modernize the Black Sea Fleet. Modernization plans include the deployment of ultra-modern Project 11356 frigates and top of the line Project 636.3 diesel-electric attack submarines.
- A separate army group, similar to the one in Kaliningrad, will be formed and a bomber base will be created. The ground forces component will include one Air-Assault brigade, one Spetsnaz brigade, one Naval Infantry brigade and one Motor-Rifle brigade. Earlier, other sources spoke of one or two Airborne brigades, two or three Motor-Rifle brigades and one Tank brigades.
- The Russian Air Force plans to deploy Tupolev Tu-22M3 “Backfire” bombers in Crimea which will be able to not only defend Crimea from any threat from the sea, but also destroy key components of the the US/NATO anti-ballistic missile system now deployed in southern Europe.
- Finally, Crimea will be defended by coastal defense missiles, air defense systems and anti-ship cruise missiles.
In other words, Crimea will become a formidable defensive node, an unsinkable aircraft carrier if you want, and an ideal location for the power-projection of Russian military forces in southern Europe, the Balkans, the Mediterranean, the Middle-East, the Caucasus and Central Asia.
No wonder the US/NATO wanted it so badly.
Speaking of the US and NATO – much is made of the presence of USN ships in the Black Sea. In reality, the USN poses no threat to Russia at all, at least not from the Black Sea. The Black Sea is an enclose and small sea, at least by USN standards, where any USN ship, underwater or on the surface, would be a sitting duck for Russian forces, especially missile attacks.
The USN knows that and what these USN vessels do in the Black Sea is called “showing the flag”. This has nothing to do with threatening Russia or Crimea. If the US really wanted to threaten Russia, the very last thing the USN would do is enter the Black Sea. The USN is a deep sea, “blue water” navy, which fights long-distance and not a littoral, “green water” or, even less so, a coastal “brown water” water navy.
Finally, history has shown that Crimea is ideal to defend and very hard to take. By land, Crimea is only accessible by a few open and undefended roads from the north. Centuries of warfare have turned it into a Swiss-cheese like structure filled with tunnels, underground bunkers and fortifications.
Last but not least, Crimea has now already been fully integrated into the Russian military’s Southern Military District (based in Rostov-on-the-Don) and, as such, it would have the full support of the rest of the Russian Armed Forces.
The Saker
re: elections
The West is very good at getting the results the PTB want. In fact, some go so far as to say that voter/voting fraud is an American art form. So don’t count on elections going against the US in the Ukraine for quite some time.
re: regime change in Kiev
When has a fascist regime the US backed had regime change? Some will argue Cuba, but one can have a lot of doubts about the official story of Castro. His existence has been a big win for the US military-industrial complex, and their one big foreign effort in Angola helped the oil companies.
So lustration and oppression of all things Russian may anger some people, but if half of the population hate Russia, will it really cause political difficulties? Also, Kiev has had a lot migrants from Western Ukraine over the last 15 years or so, plus a large number of anti-USSR folks who were living in the US or Canada. Soon, the only job in Kiev will be working for an NGO. What kind of positive regime change can occur in that environment?
Did you miss the item somewhere in the MSN last week?
It basically said that at the latest G7-type meeting, when asked about Crimea, Obama said
“Crimea is gone”,
ie, it’s a fait accompli and he is not going to do anything about it.
@VINEYARDSAKER
I am the same anonymous that posted this survey.
In every survey there is a percentage that won’t say or be undecided. I don’t know what is typical in the Ukraine but 25% this long before the vote doesn’t seem abnormal to me.
There is a 5% cutoff a party much meet before making it to the Rada. If you take that into account Porochenkos’s party has more votes than all the other parties that make the cut together. I am pleased to note that Svoboda doesn’t make the cut.
The Wikipedia shows past surveys. See the trend. Prochenko keeps rising. Nazis and Banderaites keep falling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_parliamentary_election,_2014
If things stay still Porochenko may be able to rule without making a coalition. We will knwo once the vote is in.
That aside you may be right about Porochenko and his party. I don’t know enough to dispute that view.
However I have an alternative thought for you to mull over. Could it be that these guys are just opportunists that go where the wind blows? They are currently crazy Banderaites because that is what keeps them in power. But Porochenko is touring the western capitals and comes back without anything of value to show. Soon it will be apparent to everyone in Ukraine that nothing can be expected from the west to relieve the dire economic situation. Once a high enough pain level is reached, everyone but the hard core believers will be disenchanted with the Maidan program. If Porochenko is indeed an opportunist, he may change his program to account for this new situation.
What if Russia makes an offer to Porochenko at that point in time? If he recognizes Crimea is now part of Russia, ban the Bandera ideology and makes other policy changes regarding Novorossiya then billions of rubles will pour over Ukraine. Nazis and Banderaite will go ballistic. But an opportunist might take the deal if offered at the right point in time.
to BTW at 00:12 – it was not an inane action at all to test how the comments feature works with regard to a name instead of being an anon.
You created an identity and learned what is not obvious: that all one needs in the comments interface is to choose the Name/URL choice and enter a name. One doesn’t need to enter a URL. It’s very easy.
Many people here find it extremely confusing to have all these Anonymous comments. It pollutes the thread’s sense of meaning to a noticeable degree. With names we can learn over time how much meaning we want to give to information and perspective coming from that name. And since no one can say everything they want in one post, it helps us all communicate fuller meaning and elaborate on previous statements to speak through our names.
Some few of the anons actually make sense and one or two are even pleading for answers – but how do we address an anonymous? Where is the accumulating value in talking to a one-time, throwaway identity such as Anonymous?
Your analysis was great to read, by the way – thanks for making it possible to respond to you by choosing a name.
The other thing I would add about the US Navy ships in the Black Sea is. Yes, they are there to “Fly the Flag” – they are also there as a deterrent.
A small one by themselves, but more of a tripwire/ sacrificial lamb type of deterrent – just like US troops in Germany, or US troops in South Korea.
In other words – if you take out our ships in the Black Sea – we reserve the right to massively retaliate against you to honour the lives of the fallen soldiers.
That is why they are there more than anything. Don’t mess with us orright!!!
I don’t believe in the reality of the “lustration” of one million Ukrainian functionaries any more than I believe in the reality of nuclear detonations in Lugansk.
I don’t believe that Ukraine is well enough put together to carry out a purge on that scale, even if it were crazy enough to try.
I do believe that Ukraine is not receiving the aid it thinks it deserves because the potential donors have taken a look at the government there and decided that it is too corrupt and disorganized for anything more than symbolic assistance.
I read Tymchuk’s blog fairly regularly, and it is fascinating to see that very reluctantly and with considerable disgust he is coming around to some of the same criticisms that one can read here, and elsewhere, although of course from a most nationalistic and fervently anti-Russian point of view.
That said, turmoil and chaos in Ukraine is not to anybody’s benefit. I think most reasonable and pragmatic observers, no matter what their basic perspectives, have long ago come to the conclusion that a neutral Ukraine, which faces both east and west, is in the world’s best interests.
The question to be asked is: Do the reasonable and pragmatic make policy? Does anyone make policy, or is it making itself, like some runaway automaton?
Translation of Saker’s article to Serbian:
http://ruskarec.ru/politics/2014/09/22/rusija_na_krimu_razmesta_dodatni_vojni_kontingent_33743.html#comment-1603107894
“First of all, it was over $1 trillion squandered over Iraq, and if chaos was all we got for it, it was a mighty poor deal. “
Big whoop! They print the money everybody must use. Backed up with Tomahawks! A trillion is nothing.
“Apparently, Fidel Castro is gay, Jewish, very wealthy”
There are splinters in the windmills of your mind.
Ukraine Will Never Retake Crimea
I hope so, however there should not be any certainty.
In a short time it’s unlikely.
But in the future … well ..
who knows what the future holds.
Once Putin is gone, there could be another idiot like Khrushchev and give it back as a gesture of reconciliation.
One thing is for sure there will be war for Crimea, the territory was contested in the past many times and will always be.
Russia has to invest in better conventional armament. Nukes will not keep Crimea.
When the NAF offensive was frozen, I must admit I was frustrated. But it does allow the people to come back and prepare for winter. Also it didn’t leave the NAF stretched to the point that any future junta offensive might necessitate real Russian involvement. Meaning this will not bog down the Russian military there.
To all the doom-and-gloomers here I would just like to remind them that while Putin “acts here or doesn’t act there,” he is parrying the attacks by the Empire. Putin is strangling the dollar to death, and he will not let go. This attack at the very lifeblood of the enemy cannot be overstated. Imagine the Empire not being able to bribe leaders, or pay for their wars of aggression. It will come.
The one question that has been plaguing me for 24 hrs now…
After the surprise airstrikes in Syria, what will be the Russian response?
How about Assad asks the Russian and Iranian air forces for assistance and kindly tells the U.S. they are no longer needed. Too brazen? Would love to hear some brainstorming.
From vassal state Canada
I am not liking what Russia is doing to Syria and to Novorussia. Countries can easily end up like Libya, destroyed and looted by the NWO-West-satanists.
Maybe Putin is too busy fighting the Fifth Column in Moskau. If Russia loses Syria then good luck. Syria wanted to buy S300s, they had a contract and Putin reneged. If Syria is lost than Putin is finished and Russia will be weakened.
Putin needs more brave and honorable men like Strelkov not oligarch scum like the Kiev scum.
@dublinsmick said … “not hardly”
The key word I used is de-facto –not de-jure! It is a simple logical construct: if A = B and if B = C then A = C. Even though the IMF is a central player in the Ukraine, I do not follow your from loan to inflames IMF link to the UN as heaving any direct relevance to that construct. I feel your passion, however, you seem to be all over the place.
@ pavel said… “There has been no detonation of a nuclear device in Ukraine, or anywhere else. It would be impossible to conceal …”
They conceal and reveal whatever they want. Reality is a thing of the past. We are in the midst of 4G warfare where dissemblance and memes are the new reality. In today’s information mine field you have to use critical analysis followed by deductive reasoning if you have any hope of figuring things out. BTW, any government give you the lowdown on 9-11 yet?
@:Anunnaki:Putin bends over backwards
The West needs to present Russia as always on the back foot. This is for their gallery. Then it instill doubt in the enemy camp.
There is also the fact, which seems to become prevalent. They started to believe their own propaganda and to dispense with facts, reason. Everything tends to become more and more surreal.
In-between Saker´s excellent posts, here´s a good one on the geopolitics of the multi-polar world and Novorossiya & Syria, in that context, from our Armenian friends:
http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.se/
Mikhas.
A slightly different viewpoint:
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-guns-of-august-ii/
To those who say that Putin is a coward and pandering to the Western Alliance Block, you are subjecting yourselves to the collective myopia. As the saying goes Rome wasnt built in a day. He has to tag along, string them along to give Russia the time, resources and capacity for stronger resillence. If you compare the state of Russia in 2001 with now, there is a difference, but then compare that with 1991, huge constrast. Now it all has to be ramped up further, with less and less dependence on western resources and industry. Whatever the Kremlin does, it automatically antagonises the WAB.
Greatly put. Let me add my 2 cents.
I think Putin understands that this is a long game, and that even if Russia has recovered quite substantially, it still has far less comprehensive power than the west. By comprehensive power I mean economical, military, cultural/soft power and all of the different vectors that make a nation state poweful and independent. And that leads me to the point I wanted to make… I believe Putin seeks to maximise Russia’s comprehensive power.. And he knows that direct and open confrontation is not in Russia’s or a multipolar world’s interest. Even tho I stated that the west has more comprehensive power that Russia i believe that they are running a game of brinkmanship because they are on borrowed time.. They are burning on their reserves fast and furiously.. And it increasingly looks like marketing propaganda and previous goodwill are all thats left.. They are very good at this of course.. It’s a house of mirrors but it increasingly looks like a house of cards. So, I believe Russia and China are waiting.. As they should.. Let’s hope the west maintains its sanity.
MKTP
Bill Saunders, 21:41
As someone who has his head within kicking distance of animals twice his size every working day, you missed a vital point.
An experienced trainer knows that some animals have a nasty streak that cannot be trained out, and they dispatch those animals to the glue pot post haste because they know a world of hurt exists the moment ones attention lapses.
yet another anon,
Poroshenko might be a pragmatist, but most pragmatists argue that staying alive is part of the program. So he cannot afford to anger the US. The much bigger question is what the US wants, and how Russia can respond to that.
re: retaking the Crimea
This is not really a military question, as much as a political one. Can the West find a way to get the fifth column and pro-Western elite to override the nationalistic elites and public sentiment? It seems unlikely now, but if oil goes to $35/barrel, we shall see.
@Cortes
Thank you for your suggestion. It was enlightening to read what the normal inhabitants of Crimea think on the developments up to today and the future in Russia. For anyone interested, here is the link:
http://veragraziadei.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/crimeans-are-happier-to-be-a-part-of-russia-than-russians-themselves/
I am sick and tired of the sniping at Putin. He is a good, honorable, wise fellow who is a heck of lot smarter, more knowledgeable, and tougher than are most of us…Try to see things from his perspective. Doing so can be summed up as follows:
For us spectators, everything always seems so simple. Just do the right thing. Putin, however, needs to balance all sorts of considerations, while navigating a minefield of diverse interests, illusions, snares, doubt, pitfalls, and quagmires, surrounded by snipers representing foes foreign and domestic. Can you imagine suffering through half a day of the pressures squeezing him from all directions 24/7? Heaven forbid we find ourselves needing to make any big decisions, concerning the Ukraine mess or the storm swirling around the Syrian Civil War. Fretting about the potential repercussions afterward would probably torment us until resolution arrived however long it might take. So, unless you are a world leader who has dealt with the sort of crap that Putin needs to slog through, stoop criticizing him and exercise faith that he, being led by God, will do whatever is right concerning various situations….
was moniavato Anunnaki
“Fair enough, but how much more will Putin accomodate the west to retain access to the European trade.”
it’s a game mate. it flows back and forth. somedays you get the bull, somedays the bull gets you. it’s about positioning, timing, keeping from getting trashed by your own population, conserving manpower and resources etc. it’s not linear. “When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.” -ST
japan is a proxy for the ussa. japan and russia are still at war, technically speaking. they never did end ww2, if memory serves me right. japan wants its islands back. do you see RU giving them back?
“Saker, I’m 100% on your side in this war, but you are disgustingly effeminate.”
“Saker, are you a female?”
What has gender or acne-brained opinions about gender got to do with this blog? If that’s the best you trolls can manage maybe you should go back to learning how to change your diapers w/o mommy’ help. LMAO
suggest ‘anonymous’ be dropped in the new blog and a valid email address be required, for starters.
— BTW
2014 22:47
Good post I thought.
time for a Tyutchev…
“Homeland of patience, land of the Russian people.”
pb
mikael
My last coment, and to sSaker I understand you, not nescesery agree on everything, but in the main line we are insynk.
http://rusvesna.su/english/1410115507
About Ruslana and Donetsk.
First of all, if you havet watched the statments by the now retire General W. Clark I dont bother to elobrate it but see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBshz5eKo2I
I am abitt baffele by the naivety of some of the coments, about the Saudiameristans intentions, they want wars, the more wars the better, the Ameristanitsas are a breed brainwashed onto and into be cannonfodder and does so becoace they belive in their divine right to interear with whom they want, and have done so for 280 years, with 290 wars, hundres since the last ww2, and somehow, the evilness and their prevailance is been showleled under the carpet.
Iraq, and Syria, those proxys they have insaide isnt something new, that is the opreration mondi and have been so for centrys, and from time to time, they push entire peoples into disaray and to be blinded by hate propaganda, and non of this is new.
The wars is just that, indiscrimnal bombing creates more hatred and that hatred fuels more wars and crimes against humanity, and as far I can judge, the capagnes is “sucsess” full, and nobody interfers, exept the people whom is the target. The oil flows again, and the Saudi ameristanistas, protects only that, since its witale for the oligarcs to have controll of recoursess.
This is a war about monopolism, aka corporatism.
And neofaudalism is the new hitt.
Bow to us, or gett your head blow of.
The war will come, the propaganda is massive, the hate propaganda against Muslims and Orthodox christians aka Russians is massive, and I have read statments I have never read before, the level is stunning, the hatred against anyone, regading politics as the AGW is inline with ISIS, people that dont comply, should be killed or incarsirated into death camps, because we dont belive CO2 is causing global warming.
Putin, plays chees, I play chees to, and he is the master of remis, and havent so far done anything substatial, and I agree on the coments regading Change in the composittion of the Kiev politics, but thats the cowards way, and the western zionazis will not stopp there.
Its about Russia and they will not stopp untill Russia is layed bare, the proaganda goes in that direction.
It was a nice dream for some time, for a breaf moment I was glad, that finaly, the hegmonys of the western puppets and the zionazis induced wett dreams of world conquest was broken, but now, months later, and when the seasfire was implimented, I knew the issue is loost, NR may continue to dream about independence, but thats just that, a dream, now the nightmare begins.
I am trully sorry, for the looses the Ukrainians and the easterness have gone thru, since its been betraye as many peoples have been betrayed before by the world and specaly the grand chees board of real politics.
ALl wars are bankers wars.
NEVER EVER Forgett that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4
May the lord have mercy upon us all, darkness comes, and nobody is going to stopp them.
peace
I don’t know what the big deal using a “name” here adds to the content. There are already quite a few “named” comment writers here I don’t bother reading because it’s clear they are ZPC rubbish. At least with the anonymous commenters, I don’t know if they are going to be legit or troll and it adds a sense of mystery.
Lighten up web-nannies. It’s not difficult to quote the time stamp when replying to a comment.
BTW, not having one’s nick at the top makes it more difficult for those compiling posting records, as they then need to use a more sophisticated program to do it. Which is why I stopped signing in with one and simply write it at the bottom.
вот так
How did USA like having Russian missiles in Cuba? could Russia set up a base in Mexico?
So if Crimea is part of Ukraine, and Ukraine joins NATO, does a Russian naval base get to stay there?
That is why USA spent $5 billion to drag Ukraine into the EU/NATO camp. That is why Putin took Crimea, and nobody is ever going to give it back.
Next step is the EU/Ukraine/Russia gas talks on the 26th. I predict EU will not be going ahead with the last round of sanctions.
regime change in kiev? good luck with that…every anti russian regime in kiev will be fed and nurtured forever, either peacefully or by other means…just look back at the former yugoslavia once again…milo djukanovic, notorious gangster and cigarette smuggler is still in power, and montenegro is on its fast track to nato…things is simple, you can’re remove installed american puppet on elections, either in kiev or anywhere else…if that’s the russia’s big plan, well, better be prepared for big disappointment..
Why did Putin cancel the delivery of S-300s?
That is so messed up.
Dalpe said…
Thus, the question becomes, why would the NAF want to minimize the importance of such an attack, only hours after signing the memorandum? Well, if the US strongly expressed its unwillingness to allow the junta army to be destroyed by the NAF, and threatened to use nuclear weapons, this answers a lot of seemingly contradictory events; like why the sudden peace accords when the NAF was about to win, why Novorossia is now willing to negotiate with the junta, and why Poroshenko is showing us his sweeter side for the first time since taking office!
23 September, 2014 21:04
If this is indeed what happened – surely Russia told the US that any use of nuclear weapons against the NAF would also result in the immediate launch of ICBMs against the United States?
@ uh-huh: “The world is full.”
Keep that eugenicist nazi bull out of here please.
Simple fact for you: the whole world population could be placed on the area as big as Texas, with single family house each and even some space left for gardening.
That is the reality, the rest is lies of the usual nazi misanthropes and green fascist luddites.
excellent german satire about the reporting on ukraine in germany:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la_FomC6bx0
russian subs included
Anonymous @ 24 September, 2014 08:46
“Let’s hope the west maintains its sanity.”
Lets hope the opponents maintain their insanity as this will accelerate their demise, as it has done to date.
@sketchey….that wouldn’t work because Assad is the ultimate target. The US just has to test the waters first. have no doubt they are probing Syrian air defences and deploying Special Forces whilst also attacking the ISIS Jihadists. Once the normalisation of the US in Syria has been completed, the Syrian military will be bombed whilst the “moderate” terrorists use US weapons/spec forces assistance to capture territory a la the Libyan model. Disgusting American fascist criminals win again sadly.
If “Ukraine” doesn’t/wont exist how will it invade anyone?
Furious Obama Says Calls to Putin Going Straight to Voice Mail
In what he called “a provocative and defiant act,” President Obama charged on Tuesday that Russian President Vladimir Putin has started letting his calls go directly to voice mail.
Speaking at the White House before this week’s NATO summit, a visibly furious Obama said that Putin’s new practice of letting his calls go straight to voice mail “hampers our ability to discuss the future of Ukraine and other important issues going forward.”
Having left dozens of voice mails for the Russian President, Obama said that he tried to reach him via e-mail on Monday night but received an out-of-office auto reply.
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/furious-obama-says-calls-putin-going-straight-voicemail
As usual, an entertaining comments section—replete with a few of the usual vindictive, snippy comments.
“Saker’s a girl!” Even should we posit that to be true, so what? How would it affect the quality of the analysis?
Inevitably, when I post in more mainstream areas regarding the conflict, I am derided as having a homoerotic fixation on Putin, or being anti-American. If that is the best rebuttal that people can come up with to my arguments, it implies that they have a weak case.
I remain cautiously optimistic.
“All armed forces in Crimea can be wiped out with an artificial tsunami.”
A tsunami? In the Black Sea? LMAO! Joke of the century.
Let me guess, you have been educated in the USA?
24 September, 2014 05:30
“Putin needs more brave and honorable men like Strelkov not oligarch scum like the Kiev scum.”
someone recently linked a fine photo of Strelkov with his cat on here…
Strelkov and his Cat
With confident air
He’s resting there
Soft fair furred
Noble beast
Admired, desired
At home in arms
(Strelkov, not the cat)
Beware Kiev Jabberwocky’s
Fascist infestations
Screeching junta scum
They’ll tear you howling
Limb from limb with
Screeching flying fur
(They have already,
milliom upon million…)
FB
“Why did Putin cancel the delivery of S-300s?”
My guess: since Israel bombed pretty much every weapon delivery to Syria, the assesment was probably that these will be bombed right away too.
Second point, they didn’t want it to end up in the hands of the Iranian CIA-puppets.
I like the ribbon “russia stands for freedom”.
10 Million Ukrainians starved to death.
The ribbon on your site “russia stands for freedom”. What a joke!
Over ten million Ukrainians starved to death…………………..
Excellent – Russia has learned the hard way that its hand of friendship has been rejected by the Americans once their plans for a Zionist takeover by Mikhail Khodorkovsky and his ilk were thwarted by Putin. Time to prepare defences against the US ‘evil empire’ of global warmongers.
NATO is now walking back the false accusations, but not quite. Those thousands of phantom troops ….are difficult to detect but we see them
Do read the first 3 paragraphs of this Reuters’ article as posted @ 10:00 AM EDT U.S. edition
NATO Sees significant pullback of Russian troops from Ukraine
>>>>(Reuters) – NATO has observed a significant withdrawal of Russian forces from inside Ukraine, but many Russian troops remain stationed nearby, an alliance military spokesman said on Wednesday.
“There has been a significant pullback of Russian conventional forces from inside Ukraine, but many thousands are still deployed in the vicinity of the border,” Lieutenant-Colonel Jay Janzen said in an e-mailed response to a request from Reuters for comment.
“Some Russian troops remain inside Ukraine. It is difficult to determine the number, as pro-Russian separatists control several border crossings and troops are routinely moving back and forth across the border. Further, Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine, and they are difficult to detect,” he said[.]<<<<
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I guess the NATO article posted before O’Bomber’s UN speech was to set the table for him to say this:
As I write, just now on Reuters
BREAKING NEWS: Obama says if Russia takes the path of peace and diplomacy with Ukraine “we will lift our sanctions”
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Surprise, surprise!!
(via Germany) — This vid of Ukies’ volunteer troops wearing Nazi symbols made it to The Capital Hill media. For those not acquainted, TheHill.com is read in the halls of power in D.C. Contributors are U.S. high profile journalists; current and former COngresscritters.
So they all missed reading it or seeing the NBC report b/c the following week they cheered Porky?
The article:
Video shows Ukrainian soldiers wearing Nazi symbols
A German news outlet aired video Monday showing some Ukrainian soldiers with helmets and gear displaying Nazi symbols, according to reports.
The footage on TV station ZDF showed volunteer soldiers with swastikas and the “SS runes” of Adolph Hitler’s elite corps, NBC News reported. Videojournalists for a Norwegian broadcaster captured the video in eastern Ukraine last week.
The soldiers are reportedly members of the Azov battalion, a volunteer military force in Ukraine with nationalist tendencies. Members of the battalion, however, deny that they believe in a fascist ideology, the International Business Times reported.
More NBCnews with photos of helmets:
Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi symbols on their helmets, including the swastika and the SS runes of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps.
IBTimes:
Nazis In Ukraine? German TV Shows Ukrainian Soldiers Displaying Nazi Symbols
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so when will the F22s be deployed for the de-nazification of Ukraine?
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AM
Russia willm implode.
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So much for freedom of speech!!!!!!!!!!!!
Julian asked…
“If this is indeed what happened – surely Russia told the US that any use of nuclear weapons against the NAF would also result in the immediate launch of ICBMs against the United States?”
No! The use of ICBM’s or Strategic super weapons would be suicidal for everyone. The US is obviously playing a very dangerous game, however, they are not stupid. Saker wrote in May, “… US/NATO know that they cannot ‘win’ a war against Russia, not a conventional one and not a nuclear one either. Those who claim otherwise have simply no idea what they are talking about.”
Tactical nuclear weapons are considered by most Strangelove types to be another matter. Nevertheless, their use is also a very dangerous game that could escalate rapidly. However, most do not even realize that they were used. They just put out a cover story like “ammunition depot” and everyone buys it. Why? Because most believe in whatever they are told by those in authority and have a propensity the hear what we want to hear. “Most can not handle the truth!” –Nicholson ( do not remember the name of the movie).
If I said that jet fuel disintegrated a sky scraper, you would laugh at me. What is the difference between my fantastic story and an authoritative figure asserting the same thing? What gives them the power to perform a social Jedi Mind Trick? Belief! Most believe what they are told to believe by those in positions of authoritative power and we all know that belief needs to stay in houses of worship. Belief has no place in industry, politics, government or education.
We are in an information war the likes of which the world has never experienced; we have good Nazis, moderate terrorists, we even have a terror state (Isis), diplomats that speak like thugs, peace presidents that wage war, etc… Last time I used my noggin, these are all oxymorons! How do I deal with it? I believe nothing of what I am told by others and half of what I see with my own two eyes. People need to rediscover the lost art of critical thinking!
Here is a good rule of thumb. If a politician’s mouth is moving, they are lying! Deconstruct what they are saying and pay close attention to their narrative and how it is packaged, presented and sold. I can not watch WMSM on a full stomach –it is too infantile!
Excellent – Russia has learned the hard way that its hand of friendship has been rejected by the Americans once their plans for a Zionist takeover by Mikhail Khodorkovsky and his ilk were thwarted by Putin. Time to prepare defences against the US ‘evil empire’ of global warmongers.
to BOT TAK at 10:00 – for what it’s worth I personally don’t regard your posts as anonymous since you sign them.
I believe it was actually you who advised us to skip to the bottom line of every anonymous post to see what we’re dealing with and save a lot of time. I appreciated that advice and I’ve followed it. It’s easy to do as I skip over them.
I personally don’t have time for the mystery of trying to parse an anonymous comment to find its value.
I offer again my point that there’s a cumulative value that builds up with comments that are signed. Your comments are a good example of this (not trying to flatter) – you’ve built a lot of credibility from a lot of comments all attributable to your name. This is very useful for people with limited time trying to scan through a hundred comments, looking for reason and information.
An anonymous comment has a one-time, throwaway value, and can never be more than that. In such a large thread as Saker’s have become, who has time to spare for the anons? And why would anyone making a comment not want to be taken seriously?
I really wish people expanded their reading and viewing habits as it relates to Russia.
To those who are whining about why Russia is not putting a base in Cuba. Two months back, while Putin was touring Latin America, he did a stop over in Cuba. Actually Lavrov toured first, then Putin and then Xi Jinping.
This was during the BRICS meeting in Brazil. Russia is opening up the spy base in Cuba
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/russia-reopening-spy-base-cuba-us-relations-sour
http://rt.com/news/173092-russia-sigint-facility-cuba/
China plans to build a canal in Nicaragua. AND Russia will have a base there.
http://sonoranorte.wordpress.com/2014/07/12/china-russia-to-build-canal-in-nicaragua/
http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=42305&no_cache=1#.VCLLq5RdXWI
And a base, possibly in Venezuela
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/russia-joins-china-in-building-nicaragua-canal/
Now the importance to all these bases are not the bases but the fact that Russia and China did a tag team. Lavrov went first to the L.American countries. He was followed by Putin who was making his way to Brazil for the world cup and the BRICS meeting. In the BRIC meeting, they invited some of the other L.AMerican countries to participate, be observers.
How do you think Argentina was able to get some many quick deals with Russia and China? It all started at the world cup.
Then Jinping did his tour of L.America, reinforcing the message made by Russia and made by them during the BRICS meeting.
Now, have you notice that Egypt has not joined the US “the list of the willing?” Could it be because Egypt is getting closer to Russia?
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/17/Report-Russia-Egypt-seal-preliminary-arms-deal-worth-3-5-billion.html
Now regarding Syria. Russia has been a busy bee. They have gone courting.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Jun-21/261062-saudi-arabia-russia-focus-on-crises-in-syria-and-iraq.ashx#axzz3EF2Lhy7e
http://www.russia-direct.org/content/russia-and-saudi-arabia-new-gulf-partnership
If they are successful in courting the Saudis, Syria is protected.
China has also gone courting. Guess which country?
Yup Saudi Arabia. And why the courting?
Petrodollar.
What have China and Russia being doing together? They have both being doing deals left and right with multiple countries, and all bypassing the dollar.
AND….
GOLD.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-23/china-moves-dominate-gold-market-physical-exchange
Gold. Not paper gold but physical gold.
The collapse of the US economy is coming. The collapse of the US ability to print money to fund wars is coming.
So the basic message is that Putin is dealing with a lot. If all he had on his plate was Ukraine, I could see why people would be upset but what is happening in Ukraine is but a small piece to this puzzle.
We are already at war, the general public thought doesn’t know it.
Last point. Saker is great, but readers need to branch out. People should start reading financial news or blogs, especially those tied to the gold market. They should also read about what is happening in other countries.
I mean, think about this, what is currently going on in Africa (Ebola epidemic) is all about the US trying to kick out China, who has been making deals with the majority of African countries.
Could Ebola have been introduced by the US?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-are-us-biological-warfare-researchers-doing-in-the-ebola-zone/5394582
It can after all become a bioweapon:
http://rt.com/news/178992-ebola-biological-weapon-terrorists/
Don’t you think it is strange that Americans are sending soldiers to combat this disease when they should instead be sending doctors?
Russia and Cuba have send in doctors.
http://rt.com/news/181864-russian-virologists-ebola-laboratory/
And Russia has a reason to be concern about the Ebola becoming a bioweapon, the US has a biolab near Russia’s border.
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/us-rejects-russian-accusations-georgian-biolab/
Erika
Looks like the US attacked a rebel command center taking out 50 of them. Saying they were some unknown worse than IS threat. Look at the strikes on the map, they are all points where the IS is fighting other rebels. The IS is also fighting to take over the Turkish border and the US as well as Turkey has no problems with that. Israel shoots down a Syrian jet bombing a city that is on a route to Damascus opening the way for the terrorists holding the border regions with Israel to move onto the capital. This thing is getting more transparent by the minute. So now it will be much easier to move terrorists from Jordan via Israel into regions of Syria which were difficult to move into before.
http://rt.com/news/190180-us-syria-strikes-isis/
@Anonymous said: What if Russia makes an offer to Porochenko at that point in time? If he recognizes Crimea is now part of Russia, ban the Bandera ideology and makes other policy changes regarding Novorossiya then billions of rubles will pour over Ukraine. Nazis and Banderaite will go ballistic. But an opportunist might take the deal if offered at the right point in time.
Well said, excellent!
This was predicted from Day One!
Poroshenko will not only be able to save his chocolate empire in Russia, we will be able to double it.
Putin and Poroshenko go well back in the past. No wonder he was put in this position by the Empire.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Anon Mongoose said: As I write, just now on Reuters
BREAKING NEWS: Obama says if Russia takes the path of peace and diplomacy with Ukraine “we will lift our sanctions”
= = = = = =
Surprise, surprise!!
Dearest AM,
It is no surprise, I see the benefits for the whole world:
1. Putin gets to keep Crimea.
2. Putin gets Federalized Ukraine according to his wishes.
3. Poroshenko gets to keep his Chocolate Empire in Russia, and maybe gets to double it.
It is win/win situation for everyone! ~:)
Best regards,
Mohamed.
As we see things, Ukraine, even right now, can shut off all water, gas, fuel, etc., to Crimea and plunge the Crimea into total crisis,—but is not doing this,—just as Ukrainian army did not want to shoot first despite very humiliating eviction from Crimea by Russian forces that rehearsed their actions clearly well in advance [and to their credit also were unwilling to shoot first]. —Ukraine in fact is the last significant remnant of what can be called pre-Muscovite Russia and as such the Ukrainians were fighting over Crimea since 900’s, centuries before the current Muscovite Russians appeared on the scene, very late.—So where is any justice that Muscovite Russians claim EXCLUSIVE right to Crimea and kick the non-Muscovite Ukrainians out of there? But as mentioned before, this is substantially about mineral resources and offshore deposits that Moscow regime wants to control exclusively.—The whole Novorussia project is substantially the objective to strip valuable shale oil, shale gas and mineral deposits from Ukrainian control and benefit, and also to deindustrialize Ukraine, wreck its factories and industrial infrastructure,—then Ukraine becomes like Mexico versus USA, the improverished Ukrainians just go to work for serf wages in Russia. Persons in Ukraine saw this coming and ousted Yanukovich whose regime also wrecked the Ukrainian military and made sure there was no real Ukrainian army operative at all. —Ukraine attempted to be a “good international world citizen” and gave up its nuclear arsenal, thought it could rely on treaties and therefore neglected its military, etc., and look what it got in return,—dismemberment and deindustrialization.—Should have kept the nuclear arsenal, should have become like Sparta with standing army of 4,000,000 at least, etc., devoted bulk of resources to ultramodern weapons, etc., but then the West would have demonized it and treated it like rogue nation, huge sanctions, etc. And Russia would have joined the West against Ukraine. So for Ukrainians, it’s damned if you don’t and damned if you do. —Something like the situation with the hapless Kurds striving for their “place under the sun”.
Anonymous said…
mikael
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“This war has never been about Novorussia or about the Ukraine.”
That statement is too vacuous and convenient as a copout. Do you really mean to say that the thousands of people murdered by shelling, the thousands of young Ukrainian conscripts put through the meatgrinder, the thousands of homes destroyed, the more than 1 million people who have turned into refugees… NONE of that has anything to do with Novorussia and Ukraine? That this is only about Russia?
Really, one would wish you’d refrain from making silly statements like that.
Then there is your notion that lustration is a great thing because it will accomplish what it is meant to accomplish, i.e. suppress political opposition to the far right and neonazis,and put them in power. And since these people are supposed to be incompetent, it means they will eventually mess things up and lose power etc.
This is such blatant nonsense I am beginning to think you are losing your mind. Imagine that line of thinking applied to the German Nazi party in the mid-1930s, when they were engaging in their own brand of aggressive lustration. Imagine someone sayng that this is a great idea because they will eventually mess things up and fall from power. Well, yes, they did mess up. Eventually. After more than a decade and after a monumental mess. Is that what we should hope for?
The idea that Ukraine is going to suffer some great collapse (economic or otherwise) that will get rid of the nazis and of the widespread Russophobia… this idea is nothing but wishful thinking. It’s pure nonsense. Ukraine has been economically comatose for two decades, suffered horrible governments that glorify only thievery, a generation has grown up without hope, and the result has been the spread of nazism.
How on earth do you expect that further economic misery will suddenly produce the opposite results?
The US has used every banned weapon on everyone so it is not beyond reason that they would use nuclear bombs. I have to specify bombs since the US uses depleted uranium where the fuel part used in power plants are extracted leaving only the heavy metal and is as poisonousness as lead and mercury. In the 1960’s declassified docs talked about 1kt nuclear bombs. When I talked to some people who worked at LLNL they said nothing about it. Not to believe everything I read but use moors law in advancing innovations. US as well as Russia can not test real live weapons due to the test ban treaty. But US nuclear weapons simulations have been very accurate since the mid 60’s.. But all info is classified so not many verified sources for good info. Just rumors of very very small nukes in the mini kt range weapons that leaves no radiation due to using very highly enriched fuel. Since the US already has 10K and 20K MOAB’s the use of nuclear bombs is problematic. The US has used like 5 MOAB’s in Iraq but some say they also used tactical mini nukes at Baghdad airport. But the radiation level in Iraq is so much higher than normal because of the tens of thousands of uranium shells fired all over the place. The US also used MOAB’s in Afghanistan.. although saying it was just for show seems to indicate that they might have used mini nukes. Since DU weapons itself are banned by the UN. It makes little difference if the trigger explosion is conventional or nuclear. I would think both the US and Russia has mini nukes of under 1kt they have developed in the last 50 years.
But I highly doubt the US would give any mini nukes to any 3rd party even the UK let along Ukrainians. India tested a mini nuke for Israel so we can be pretty sure Israel and France have them as well. China, India, Pakistan has small nukes, not so sure about mini nukes. These nukes are the size of a pack of cigarettes packing from under 0.01kt to 20kt’s. How easy would it be to wipe out the ukie soldiers surrounded in the cauldrons? The VSN have Akatsiya 152mm self-propelled artillery from the poles that can fire 1 kiloton nuclear artillery shells. Although the mini nukes dont leave any radiation signature and can be shape charged to an area its tell tale sign (massive destruction in a small area) would be a give away but Russia can always say the VSN captured the nuke artillery from the poles with the gun.
Just saying, there are times where chances of its use are high and other times even if convenient the chances of its use are not on the cards.
Unless they were used by both sides.. The US and Russia in Ukraine. I highly doubt either country would give it to any 3rd party to use and would use its own special forces. The disappearance of 10,000 ukie soldiers.. Well a couple of 10kt nuclear bombs would definitely not leave much of a trace for those people.
It could only have happened when the US commanded unit got surrounded and a US major was killed and a US general wounded while breaking out. They might have used a mini nuke to breakout after which Russian special forces would have wiped out some major ukies in retaliation. Seems unlikely but not getting US soldiers captured and no time to send in a B2 or the like would be the only reason to take the risk.
Why no one will use mini nukes or any nukes against others with similar weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon
Mohamed said…
“Poroshenko will not only be able to save his chocolate empire in Russia, we will be able to double it.”
Thats it! NO MORE SNICKERS for me. Time to break out the extra large mouth wash and tubes and suction pumps.
Something really weird is going on. Lada Ray just went Saker on us, maybe we dont have the info, I think we need time to see what happens. Unless things in the US are falling apart and they are trying to get Putin on board so as to not rock the boat… Remember, when it goes down, we all go down with it. Maybe they all know the danger and trying to minimize the damage. The calm before the storm. We ARE in the middle of the most dangerous time in known human history and maybe thats why it all looks so surreal.
Anyone believe in Nostradamus? About the Calif rising in the Levant and attacking the entire world?
“Simple fact for you: the whole world population could be placed on the area as big as Texas, with single family house each and even some space left for gardening.”
No doubt, but not under the present dispensation where everyone on the planet is entitled to his own car and a big plate of crispy, fried chicken every sunday.
Oh, and you like facts? Here’s one: IGY, look it up.
To anonymous 17.30
“How on earth do you expect that further economic misery will suddenly produce the opposite results?”
Do you remember from the books, movies, how the Germany was looking after the Red Army victory in 1945?
Do you remember how the Germany has recovered? It became the best economy driven country in Europe with brilliantly educated people because education is still free in Germany till now.
Dreaming about a powerful Nazi Ukraine is just a dream of the oligarchs and psychopaths.
Last tweets from
https://twitter.com/LitleSpark
This will be my lasts posts
I’m only making them because someone close asked even if against my will. Novorossya is lost .
Surkov visited last week Porochenko and after he went to Novorossya to visit Pushilin, Boroday and Zaharchenko.
All of them was in his birthday party and all of them have a task. To finishNovorossya and kill the commanders of NAF that didn’t sold.
Only that remains is Mosgovoy and some commandeers. All others have family under threat or received money .
You noticed that even Gubarev disappeared. Resuming, the genocide will happen anyway , but at low speed.
DNR and LNR will have some autonomy and will be colonised by westerns and foreigners.
Or some patriots will be able to purge the 5th , or all of them will die. Simple as that.
For me i have to get out, because i need to care about my own and find solution to the Genocide that is coming.At least some time was gained
See you around folks, it will be not still in this generation that we will be free.
Not a matter of giving up
I must protect alive ones.
Anonymous said…
Last tweets from
https://twitter.com/LitleSpark
this is an amazing post and made me sad. god bless, brave little spark.
One Anonymous says
“As we see things, Ukraine, even right now, can shut off all water, gas, fuel, etc., to Crimea and plunge the Crimea into total crisis,-“
NOT SO. The supply pipeline to Crimea goes through Novorossyia territory. Entirely. Ukraine can’t touch it.
The same way, if Russia gives them credit or aid, NR can get gas supplies without the rest of Ukraine getting any; they have their own pipelines. This means they can have their power stations running all winter, too. The Luhansk one, one fixed, supplies areas to their north, which may be some useful income for the fledgling new state. Ukrain depends on them for coal, too. I wonder if they can “nationalise” the coal mines?
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Anonymous said…
[Kissinger] compared American politics and the Chinese politics like so: where Americans see a solution to every problem, Chinese see every solution as a next problem.
24 September, 2014 02:30
Brilliant! A corollary to my own observation, in many settings:
The problem is the solution.
Katherine
Grieved said…
to BTW at 00:12 – it was not an inane action at all to test how the comments feature works with regard to a name instead of being an anon.
You created an identity and learned what is not obvious: that all one needs in the comments interface is to choose the Name/URL choice and enter a name. One doesn’t need to enter a URL. It’s very easy.
Many people here find it extremely confusing to have all these Anonymous comments. It pollutes the thread’s sense of meaning to a noticeable degree. With names we can learn over time how much meaning we want to give to information and perspective coming from that name. And since no one can say everything they want in one post, it helps us all communicate fuller meaning and elaborate on previous statements to speak through our names.
Some few of the anons actually make sense and one or two are even pleading for answers – but how do we address an anonymous? Where is the accumulating value in talking to a one-time, throwaway identity such as Anonymous?
Very well put, Grieved. IMO the Anonymous posters degrade the thread, and their own contributions.
News 2022 may 9
Ukraine failed to retake small snake island
https://faxnews.net/2022/05/09/ukraine-attempted-to-retake-snake-island-russia/
be aware Anton, faxnews delets links after just 4 days!
This one works
https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/ukraine-s-senseless-pr-action-at-snake-island-led-to-heavy-losses-russia