Wow, Peter Lavelle clearly had a very good summer, he is back in his show really rocks. This latest one is truly excellent (again).
Enjoy!
The Saker
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Wow, Peter Lavelle clearly had a very good summer, he is back in his show really rocks. This latest one is truly excellent (again).
Enjoy!
The Saker
I’m 5 minutes into this and am disgusted with the silliness. Talking about Obama as confused or the US policies not being successful is silly without asking the question ‘who is benefiting?’.
Yes Washington is filled with idiotic psychopaths, destructive to themselves and most toher people, but it’s being run by a select oligarchy (including banksters and the war industry) who is benefiting greatly, making fortunes, for the moment, from the war racket.
The problem is the framing and grounding starting these sorts of discussions, and the assumption that the people involved are incompetent or stupid, and not just pathological and evil.
Run this by Michael Parenti and you’ll get an earful about the deep politics involved.
__Blue
I believe you are simply grasping straws with your comments. Do you think the participants are not fully aware of the forest? Or do not grasp the complexities of the situation? Stating US policy is fully flawed is not a commentary on intelligence. Serving the interests and agenda of the puppet masters and the continual lining of their pockets does not translate into competent foreign policy.
Thank you Saker for spreading this. Peter Lavelle is one of my favs too, remember his interview on CNN by this unreporter Cuomo?
Another interesting person is Jim W. Dean, check out his latest on VT:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/16/neo-a-race-against-oncoming-winter-in-europe/
The dimensions are really frightening.
Or this on Ukraine:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/16/ukraine-preparing-for-new-offensive-on-east/
There are also some great debates on Press tv “the debate”
Keep up your great work, best greetings from Bavaria!
Although with quite amount of propaganda about his “extreme violence” and “Russian forces without insignia”, even Swiss “Le Temps” noticed silence in Russian MSM concerning Strelkov’s press conference.
(Original article available only for paid subscribers? Translated into Russian: http://inosmi.ru/russia/20140917/223061023.html )
The US is now involved in 134 wars or none, depending on your definition of war …The White House spent much of last week trying to figure out if the word “war” was the right one to describe its military actions against the Islamic State. US Secretary of State John Kerry was at first reluctant: “We’re engaged in a major counterterrorism operation,” he told CBS News on Sept. 11. “I think war is the wrong terminology and analogy but the fact is that we are engaged in a very significant global effort to curb terrorist activity… I don’t think people need to get into war fever on this. I think they have to view it as a heightened level of counter terrorist activity.” – Global Post
– See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35654/US-Pursues-134-Wars-Around-the-World/#sthash.S5ITSvOO.dpuf
http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35654/US-Pursues-134-Wars-Around-the-World/
Hi, this is from my german-/english language blog, a “eurosceptic” view from Austria, Cheers, Andreas
“When has the EU been taken over ?
NSAgate & the non-acceptance of Snowden, freetrade- & TTIP-negotiations and the enforced alienation from Russia, diametrically opposed to its very own longterm interests – by all appearances Europe has ceased to exist as a political category. Only now citizens from Lisbon to Warsaw are becoming aware of it. Some say, that the so called unification project has been an american one right from the beginning. Others think, that the final “Taming of the Shrew” took place as late as 2010-2012 with the Euro crisis. My best guess for this to have happened would be the time around 9/11, when the transition to “euro-freegold” should have taken place, but did not.”
http://staatsstreich.at/when-was-the-eu-taken-over.html
Hello,
interesting but I think they never go to the deep bottom of it. Of course we know that Obama does not command much in the US. Too many different groups interfering and sabotaging his post. This is probably just all for show. Obama adores shows, when he is main actor. The US government ahs demonstrated times and again that it does not have a long term strategy, and that it does not control much, and that it is just creating chaos. Now to whom does the crime profit? We have the gun dealers and the industrial weapons conglomerate, of course. And we have Israel, who certainly loves to see potential ennemies very busy destroying each other. Those are the 2 immediate obvious beneficiaries. The role of Saudia? well, as a muslim I can tell you that I don’t find much islam in wahhabism, except for the show, the superficial apparent form, cheap, very thin veneer. The role of Saudia is very shady, but one thing I am sure of is that they are not true believers working for islam: too much violence, too much blood, too many lies. It does not fit with the true spirit of islam.
And then you would have, if you want to have a clearer picture of all this, to consider the business aspect: gaz, petrol, and the companies to whom this or that option would benefit. And finally, once you have all that, you could probably find out that all this is human activity, human turmoil, low level business of the material life, and you would find out that there are human beings with goodness in their heart, and so doing good deeds, and others who have evil in their heart. And you could name the latter psychopath, or demons, but that boils down to the same thing.
We have been warned about that. Wether in the Bible, or in the Coran, we have been warned. All the randomity tends to make one feel dizzy and forget the simple, obvious truth. We are looking at the actions of men and trying to understand them in the light of their official function, and we can’t understand, most of the time. Because this age is the era of lying. Better to look at the acts of men and trying to understand their motives by looking at the results of those actions. Forget the post. Forget the offical position. Forget the official statements. This is the era of lying.
They only regurgitate the fake western narrative that the Obama administration is at war with ISIS when in reality terrorism is a major tool of US foreign policy to justify war and occupation.
It does not take much research to find out who is really behind ISIS who trained them and fund them, yet these “brilliant” people don’t get it, It’s all so confusing !
Right…
Saker,
I would ask you to revisit this panel discussion.
While I am not unfamiliar with Leverett, Maloof, and Landis, and while they make some individual good points, I find the general thought disturbing.
That is, that the US govt. is “delusional” and its ME policy “disastrous”. Of course, it’s disastrous. Isn’t that the intent of US and Israel policy? Either submit or we make you a failed state. And we’ll use jihadists to do it.
In the meantime, we’ll have perpetual war and if the home natives get too restless, we’ll use “terrorism” to instill fear.
Landis doesn’t want to go Machiavellian but how else can you describe US policy?
I understand that RT perhaps can’t bring on “radicals” but, if they don’t, how else are you going to get a correct reading of the world today? Maybe I’m sick and over-tired today, but I’ve really had it with analysts who think the US is simply making mistakes or Obama is doing something only because his hands are tied etc.
That said, I’m open to what you, Saker, or anyone else, thinks is excellent about this panel discussion. Maybe I’m overlooking something and I am truly curious.
The US is now involved in 134 wars..
Does that include the war on drugs? Supposedly its the DEA and not the DOD.. Or the war on poverty? Oh wait that involves beating up black people in poor neighborhoods and cops so that dont count either..
Very superficial discussion, the sort of hobby horse intellectuals like to opine about endlessly, except for the attempt by one of the participants to address Turkey’s role, and PL shut that off.
1) No discussion of the battle of the factions in Wash DC: Rockefeller’s vs. Rothschilds via Kissinger and Brzezinski, promoting their favored oligarchs.
2) No discussion of how Israel is the ultimate benficiary of this well-organized chaos. (:>)
3) No discussion of the various gas export pipeline projects that depend on which cabal controls the land routes across Iraq/Syria.
4) Turkey appears to be the conduit for oil purchases financed with gold between India and Iran;
it appears to be the transit point for opium/heroin coming out of Afghanistan; it facilitates the movement of arms and fighters from Europe/Middle East into Iraq/Syria.
And as one speaker noted, Turkey is a NATO member!!
Obama is a Manchurian candidate/puppet who has no meaningful role except to read the teleprompter and who does not figure in any deep state decisions and strategizing.
IMO, it’s absolutely incorrect to presume Obama wants to do something about ISIS since it’s advancing US Imperial Policy goals: Regime change and reinvading Iraq, and the opportunity to get Assad eliminated. Both are longstanding, announced goals somehow ignored by the panel. Pepe Escobar’s had it nailed from day one when ISIS’s gleaming white Toyota convoy sped across the desert. ISIS owes its creation to the Outlaw US Empire and its two fundamental allies, Saudi Arabia and Israel.
The program provided some info, but miserably failed to provide the viewer with any info as to why the Outlaw US Empire is waging war in the region to begin with–the US Jihad.
While I believe that this show is probably the best of its kind on TV in the entire Egnlish-speaking world, this was not my favorite episode.
I call POTUS “the Puppet Emperor” as he is really not the one who wields power. The Deep State, the Corporate/Bankster Oligarchy or whatever we call it, pulls the strings.
While I agree there is no “strategy” in conventional war terms, there is indeed a method to the madness of Warshiton.
As Pepe Escobar, Robert Fisk, Robert Parry, and others have reported, the groups that became ISIS were trained by CIA operatives and funded by GCC countries like Saudi and Qatar. Israel also has an interest in cultivating IS
IS has threatened Russian and Putin and Assad. They have not threatened or attacked Israel. This is tellling.
IS is a great manufactured bogeyman to scare everyone and mobilize support for a back-door overthrow of Assad. It also provides a great diversion domestically from the rampant corruption and economic decay in the Imperial Homeland.
It also provides a great excuse to further destroy constitutional provisions and further increase Executive Power. No checks and balances are in effect.
As Orwell pointed out, perpetual war is not to be “won” it is a mechanism to impoverish and brainwash people into compliance. It also enables the the transfer of huge amounts of wealth from the taxpayer to the Corporate/Bankster Oligarchy.
IS and perpetual war is a gift that will keep on giving to the ruling elites.
This was fascinating, for all sorts of reasons. First off, there was a gigantic elephant in the room to whose distinct benefit — and according to whose stated plans — continued chaos would accrue. I think her name *may* have been mentioned twice, sotto voce, but I wouldn’t swear it. Cui bono indeed.
Secondly (and this may also relate to at least some of Turkey’s rationale and likely Qatar’s also) would be the various pipeline routes. So regardless of whatever the relationship is at the moment between Qatar, the Muslim Brotherhood and KSA, another cui bono indeed.
Third issue: notwithstanding the foregoing (or even because of it or even in spite of it): Why. The. Hell. PAY. The. Saudis. ????? ISIS is the deliberately-conceived child of Israel and the Kingdom — it’s not like either one of them is going to abandon it now. So why pay? Is this some kind of extortion?
And then finally, Obama: he’s clearly unable to ally openly with either Syria or Iran and it’s equally obvious that his actions are only going to make things exponentially worse, and it looks for all the world like he just couldn’t care less. The man is either totally disengaged — we already know he doesn’t give a damn about innocent victims anywhere but *does* he care about *any* of the potential consequences of *any* of this, short-term or long-range, here, there or anywhere? Because the only other possibility, frankly, is that his hands are in fact totally tied, that he’s as much a hostage to all this as, well, everyone else on the planet.
The only other point to be made — and I thank Fulan Nasrallah for bringing up the Sovereign Citizen movement as a particularly fetid example of it right here — is that this create a monster/divide-and-conquer approach is precisely what the AZ Empire has been doing since Day One.
slaps forehead.
Of all people, I should have known that. My great-great-grandfather worked so hard to be a voice of reason in the middle of a similar set-up. And probably shouldn’t have bothered.
In his memory and on his behalf, I wish everyone everywhere better luck than he had.
I like Peter Lavelle, and he reveals much, but nobody in this interview mentioned the pipeline through Syria as a significant if not primary reason that Syria is being taken out.
How can you have these guys talking political strategy without mentioning this?
They make it sound like it is all about Sunni and Shia squabbles, with the US hopelessly mired in needless involvement.
What the US is doing makes no sense only if one accepts the idea that the US is opposed to ISIS.
If, however, one considers the possibility that the US regime has provided support to ISIS because it serves US objectives, then it is no longer so apparently “confused” and allegedly self-defeating.
If one accepts that the reason that the US/NATO has armed and supported the mythical “moderate Syrian rebels” (whom even Obama now admits do not exist) in order to supply ISIS (in order to create a pretend “enemy” that it can pretend to fight) then it makes sense. The real target is not ISIS, but rather (as in the past) the elected government of Syria.
Syria is targeted by the US because it is targeted by the Zionist entity. The ultimate targets, of course, are Russia, China and Iran.
Russia has a naval base (Tartus) in Syria which, along with Sevastopol in the Crimea, are Russia’s only warm water ports. The hostile actions in Syria and the putsch in the Ukraine were launched with the objective of kicking Russia out of those ports as part of the US goal of preventing any other country from being able to have an independent policy or to ever even challenge US hegemony over the entire world (a.k.a. “full spectrum dominance”).
When one looks at these actions in the Ukraine and the creation of ISIS against the Syrian government as linked parts of the same plan to destroy Russia by attacking its soft underbelly, then the “confused” and “contradictory” actions are seen as nothing of the sort.
The “beheading” videos of US/UK citizens are intended to reduce public resistance to attacking Syria. They are probably faked, but even if they are real, it seems unlikely that the governments involved would fret over the loss of a few individuals in order to achieve their global strategic objectives.
This is called “waging war by means of deception”.
What the US is doing makes no sense only if one accepts the idea that the US is opposed to ISIS.
If, however, one considers the possibility that the US regime has provided support to ISIS because it serves US objectives, then it is no longer so apparently “confused” and allegedly self-defeating.
If one accepts that the reason that the US/NATO has armed and supported the mythical “moderate Syrian rebels” (whom even Obama now admits do not exist) in order to supply ISIS (in order to create a pretend “enemy” that it can pretend to fight) then it makes sense. The real target is not ISIS, but rather (as in the past) the elected government of Syria.
Syria is targeted by the US because it is targeted by the Zionist entity. The ultimate targets, of course, are Russia, China and Iran.
Russia has a naval base (Tartus) in Syria which, along with Sevastopol in the Crimea, are Russia’s only warm water ports. The hostile actions in Syria and the putsch in the Ukraine were launched with the objective of kicking Russia out of those ports as part of the US goal of preventing any other country from being able to have an independent policy or to ever even challenge US hegemony over the entire world (a.k.a. “full spectrum dominance”).
When one looks at these actions in the Ukraine and the creation of ISIS against the Syrian government as linked parts of the same plan to destroy Russia by attacking its soft underbelly, then the “confused” and “contradictory” actions are seen as nothing of the sort.
The “beheading” videos of US/UK citizens are intended to reduce public resistance to attacking Syria. They are probably faked, but even if they are real, it seems unlikely that the governments involved would fret over the loss of a few individuals in order to achieve their global strategic objectives.
This is called “waging war by means of deception”.
pogo has it right in this comment thread. These talking heads aren’t digging for the truth. Otherwise they would be sounding out the Machiavellian reasons for all the insane policies. There is no bumbling or happenstance here. All of this is planned. It is disingenuous to say otherwise.
Does RT want to avoid the deeper truths? Lavelle didn’t want to hear about Turkey in a darker light.
It makes me think ALL political media is scripted. It is up to we the people and great sites like this that can really provide the deeper insights.
TPTB, whether the West or the East wants to play this grand game with their own cards and would rather the public stay in the dark while they handle the action. We need to wake up that NO MSM media, RT included are going to deliver you the real news.
Hats off to Saker for helping discern the real news
“Let us saddle up with Iran and Syria and get Russia to help us.”
Now how daft can we get if we don’t understand the above.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
It is the political wing of Brotherhood who moved from Egypt last year to Qatar after the fall of Mursi in Egypt, they now have been asked to move to Turkey. No biggie!
It is the religious wing of Brotherhood who has been in Qatar for many, many years and still is, such as Yusuf al-Qaradawi. The man really hates Shias.
Those who like вот так, Nora, Alien Tech and others can Google about Yusuf al-Qaradawi to fully understand the situation.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Anonymous said: Does RT want to avoid the deeper truths? Lavelle didn’t want to hear about Turkey in a darker light.
Excellent observation. Did you see how quickly he moved away from Turkey.
@Anonymous said: It makes me think ALL political media is scripted. It is up to we the people and great sites like this that can really provide the deeper insights.
Excellent again. It is all MSM and we all buy into it. The whole script is that both Iran and Syria should be back in the saddle …….
Good news doesn’t sell newspapers, it is always gloom and doom which sells the newspapers.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@WestTX said: I understand that RT perhaps can’t bring on “radicals” but, if they don’t, how else are you going to get a correct reading of the world today? Maybe I’m sick and over-tired today, but I’ve really had it with analysts who think the US is simply making mistakes or Obama is doing something only because his hands are tied etc.
Excellent my dearest West Texas. I had it too and you are not sick nor over-tired today. If someone considers, “Obama is simply making mistakes or Obama is doing something only because his hands are tied etc.” is bordering on racism.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Nora:
Dearest Sister,
You did catch my earlier post that both KSA and Qatar have now kissed and made up.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
US will get the “NEW” and improved education…………because the boss has decided and the congress will comply
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=8776547&ct=14199659¬oc=1
Just read in a msm headline that the AIPAC quislings in the U.S. House approved arms and training for the “Syrian rebels”, IE: ISIS.
Agree with those here commenting about the Crosstalk program. The kind of “analysis” the people of the show presented fails and only prolongs the deceptions and facilitates the continuation of the wars.
I think people like Tony Cartalucci do a much better job:
Someone’s Already Fighting ISIS: The Syrian Arab Army
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2014/09/someones-already-fighting-isis-syrian.html#more
“…It can also not be denied that the only true force in the region fighting Al Qaeda and the myriad of aliases it is operating under, is the Syrian government with the backing of its allies in Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, and even as far as Russia. For the West to pose as “fighting” ISIS by creating a coalition consisting of the very nations sponsoring the terrorist organization, illustrates the audacity afforded to the West by its immense unwarranted power and influence – power and influence that must be ultimately reckoned with in order to truly resolve the violence in the Middle East and prevent similar chaos from being instigated elsewhere around the world.”
And:
Washington Menaces America With Its ISIS Creation
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2014/09/washington-menaces-america-with-its.html
Or this piece from Ulson Gunnar:
As in Libya, So in Syria: The Folly of Interventionism
http://journal-neo.org/2014/09/07/as-in-libya-so-in-syria-the-folly-of-interventionism/
pogo, the chaos is designed to achieve Oded Yinon’s ‘Zionist Plan for the Middle East’, the scheme to destroy all Israel’s neighbours and break them into powerless statelets along sectarian and ethnic/tribal lines. Diabolical hardly describes it, but the Zionazis have a secret weapon. Not their total, almost embarrassing, control of the USA and other Western states. Not their long work in raising false-flag terrorist groups or their not so secret alliance with the Wahhabist monsters of Saudi Arabia. No, the big advantage is that while, under what the Talmudic authorities contemptuously dismiss as ‘Christian morality’, the inevitable death and suffering of millions of innocents in the target states is seen, even if only notionally and quite hypocritically, as a tragic disaster, under Talmudic Rabbinical Judaism, the killing of ‘enemy’ civilians is seen as a good, as a ‘mitzvah’ a religiously sanctioned deed. This explicitly also includes children, even babies, if they can be said to be going to grow up to ‘oppose the Jews’. These doctrines have been endlessly repeated by Judaic religious authorities for centuries, and over and over again by scores of contemporary religious figures in Israel. That these attitudes and beliefs are almost completely unknown in the West thanks to relentless suppression of the unfortunate truths about Israel and what it truly represents, is a triumph of Zionist control of the so-called ‘Free Press’ in the West.
I fully understand the frustration with Lavelle, that he doesn’t dig a little more and ask MORE questions. It bothered me that the “beheading” narrative evoked no further questions but appeared to be accepted on its face by the CrossTalkers.
They also seem to accept that there are good reasons for IS wanting to bring the might of the USA down on themselves. Whereas others have asked, in connection with the provenance of the beheading videos: Why would IS want to give the USA a “Make My Day” moment. Of course, if the whole thing is an elaborate charade of a fake fight, for consumption by a gullible audience that can’t imagine how the rabbit gets into the hat, that could explain it.
BUT, at the same time, it is a relief to hear even some common sense and disbelief and even a very imperfect alternative narrative to the unadulterated BS purveyed in the MSM that Lavelle provides. Furthermore, the very fact that Lavelle has this program and people who don’t toe the Washington line are given a platform is something perhaps to find a way to build on. Lavelle might actually pay attention to comments and feedback and go deeper if he knows how attentively an intelligent and informed audience is listening, I mean, I don’t know the man! There is a comments function at the RT site:
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/188344-syria-iran-isis-war/
One commenter appears to have read Leverett’s book: “Leverett’s book is very smart. U$A must stop taking jewish orders and acknowledge the power of Persia.”
Anyhow, more well-expressed feedback might be useful to Lavelle and his producers.
Perhaps some of the articulate commenters on this blog could make a focused effort to provide more input to Lavelle via comments on his shows. Or is this naive? There are a few comments on the American Jihad show.
Katherine
I haven’t watched the video yet but one thing should be clear to everyone. Obama is a puppet.
Why else what Democratic (apparently anti-War) Obama feel the need to appoint Dick Cheney’s Foreign Policy Adviser to run US Foreign Policy in Europe & Eurasia????
I thought Obama as against Cheney/ Bush and their wars?
Wouldn’t anyone senior in the Cheney/Bush Administration be tainted too much for Obama?????
So why appoint Victoria Nuland (married to NeoCon Robert Kagan) to run US Foreign Policy in Europe & Eurasia???
The only answer can be Nuland was suggested to him and either he
(1) didn’t vet her properly or
(2) he was forced to appoint her as some kind of tradeoff, or
(3)he is an incompetent who doesn’t care one whit for foreign policy, or,
(4)he is a NeoCon himself in disguise.
Personally I lean towards in this order – (3) – (1) – (2) – (4).
He is simply too disinterested in foreign policy from everything i’ve seen and if he was a real NeoCon the US would have gone into Syria a year ago before some bright spark in the CIA/Mossad came up with the idea of ISIS and some fake beheadings.
I ask for the 100th time – has anyone actually seen the beheadings of James Foley, Stephen Sotloff or David Haines.
Anyone??????????
I can find 100s of beheadings all over the Internet – just not these 3. Just not the 3 that are being used to justify renewed military adventures in Iraq/ Syria and the eventual removal of Assad and complete isolation of Iran.
Hello Iran/ Russia – what are your thoughts on these 3 beheadings????????
Ironically – Scotland today and perhaps Catalonia in a few months represent the last hopes for Europe.
The power of the USA/EU needs to be broken.
This is a bit off topic but I would love to understand the contex of the recent house arrest of the Russian oil oligarch Yevtushenkov.
well, well, well… How do we get rid of this infestation of neocons? They’re really bad for children and ordinary people. We need to strike at the root of this perversity.
“Reported US-Syrian Accord on Air Strikes”, by Robert Parry
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/17/reported-us-syrian-accord-on-air-strikes/
“The Obama administration, working through the Russian government, has secured an agreement from the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad to permit U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State targets in parts of Syria, according to a source briefed on the secret arrangements.”
…
“That suggests that despite the U.S.-Russian estrangement over the Ukraine crisis, the cooperation between President Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin has not been extinguished; it has instead just gone further underground.”
…
“Now, however, if the source’s account is correct regarding Assad’s quiet assent to U.S. airstrikes, Obama may have devised a way around the need to bomb Assad’s military, a maneuver that might again frustrate the neocons’ beloved goal of “regime change.'”
Good that commentators above dismiss Lavelle and mates for avoiding the truth that IS/al Qaida are just Evil Empire proxies aimed at “Kurdish” oil and/or Syria/Iran/Russia etc. At best RT named the segment Washington’s Jihad to provoke those eunuch academics toward reality. IS is precisely a US false Mozzy jihad.
Before 1979/80, we had never heard of Islamic militancy. In 1960, walla-walla chappies sold Jap electrics from sampans to white men passing through the Suez. Remember Rommel and Monty in North Africa? Where were the camel jockeys then? No one knows if they even existed, because the local populations had been so thoroughly crushed.
Another good Crosstalk and a reminder that beyond our concern for the impact of US action against IS on Syria and Russia this ill conceived intervention may do as much harm to Empire as to any of the other parties.
I was pleased to put a face on Dr. Leverett who with his wife provided one of the few informed analyses of Ahmadinejad’s reelection in 2009 (and again Rohani’s in 2013). The ’09 piece, Ahmadinejad won. Get over it. provided an early indication that Obama was not the silver tongued successor to MLK we were led to believe he might be. The Leveretts called him out for his “maladroit” statement made a few hours before the polls closed in Iran, that “just as has been true in Lebanon, what can be true in Iran as well is that you’re seeing people looking at new possibilities.” From Tehran’s perspective, this observation undercut the credibility of Obama’s acknowledgement, in his Cairo speech earlier this month, of U.S. complicity in overthrowing a democratically elected Iranian government and restoring the shah in 1953.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23745.html
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/16/309343/rohani-won-iran-election-get-over-it/
Brian
To the first anonymous 17:21
I agree with your thoughts, but
perceiving it as “disgusted with the silliness” is a bit grand, isn’t it?
This is just one puzzle of the chess board (maybe 3D, volcanian style), what do expect of a talkshow with three guests and what, 25 minutes? They’re definitely on the “right” side.
And I wish I was a “hobby horse intellectual”, but then it wouldn’t make sense to explain the Rockefeller/Rothschild, Kissinger/Brzezinski fuckup with Israhell intertwined in 25 minutes. Try it! Dig for the truth until you end up like Nietzsche or Marx or McCain…
In regards to Turkey – of course Lavelle doesn’t want to criticise Turkey.
Turkey is at the moment a swing-state.
Erdogan is pissed at Obama and the US for many reasons, but has stuck with NATO so far.
If he sticks with NATO Russia is in deep trouble.
You can imagine behind the scenes Russia is trying to convince Turkey to turn away from the US/EU and join Russia/China/Iran/Eurasia.
If Russia can convince Turkey to flip, the Black Sea will be closed to US warships and Russia will be able to sort out the Ukraine situation within months without US interference.
Turkey is key.
Turkey hosts the G20 next year.
Russia needs Turkey. What Russia doesn’t need is RT criticising Turkey unneccesarily. That will just push Turkey back to being friends again with US/EU.
Surely that is obvious????
“Now, however, if the source’s account is correct regarding Assad’s quiet assent to U.S. airstrikes, Obama may have devised a way around the need to bomb Assad’s military, a maneuver that might again frustrate the neocons’ beloved goal of “regime change.'”
18 September, 2014 00:00
If Obama can somehow prevent airstrikes in Syria targeting Assad I shall have to give the guy more credit.
He did manage a year ago to deflect Syrian airstrikes onto public opinion in UK/USA which ultimately stopped the airstrikes 12 months ago.
Obama would most assuredly know what is going on and what the goal is.
I have stated previously. I have given Obama until the end of the year to sack the traitors in his midst.
The ones who are driving these wars.
The reason he has that long? If he can last that long without provoking WW3?
The Mid-Term Elections.
He may feel his hands are tied on policy until the Mid-Terms and may feel that after the Mid-Terms he can exercise real power without political consequence and cleanse his administration.
A forlorn hope?
Perhaps, but it’s Obama’s last chance to prove he is actually not a stooge or NeoCon himself.
@Anonymous said: “Reported US-Syrian Accord on Air Strikes”, by Robert Parry
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/17/reported-us-syrian-accord-on-air-strikes/
Excellent find and must read!
Many thanks,
Mohamed.
As with everything else:
Cui bono [the most]?
Quite a few vegetarians were advising W and according to these men, the same vegetarians today, are advising Obomber.
Should I thus be weary of vegetarians [I am a vegetarian myself]?
A prediction for you Sakers.
What is really going on with Iraq/ Syria/ISIS/ISIL etc.???
Beheadings of James Foley, Steven Sotloff and David Haines.
The next beheading (of Alan Henning) will come after the Scottish Referendum (within a week) to give UK PM David Cameron a chance to once again push for airstrikes against ISIS in Syria & Iraq.
James Foley (August 19, 2014)
Steven Sotloff (September 2, 2014)
David Haines (September 13, 2014)
Alan Henning (Between September 19 – September 26, 2014 – PREDICTED)
You heard it here first.
These so-called Islamic Terrorists we are being told to fight? They are as fake as the 3 beheadings above.
They are basically CIA spies (and their duped followers) sent to provide a reason for the US to go to war again in Iraq/ Syria.
Watch out for Alan Henning.
To be even more precise – Mr. Henning will be beheaded just as the UN General Assembly is getting underway in New York which will allow Cameron/ Obama and all of them to once again forcefully argue for airstrikes in Iraq/ Syria.
Vive l’Ecosse libre!
I can’t say it in English. Canada is next up for dismemberment.
Saker – I’d actually appreciate you making a post about the Henning “beheading” prediction.
You can claim it as your own if you wish or attribute it. I think it is sometimes worth trying to get ahead of the game. It helps convince people who are wavering that what you are saying is true.
By the way, I would like to elaborate on why Henning will be “beheaded” soon.
What is really going on with Iraq/ Syria/ISIS/ISIL etc.???
Beheadings of James Foley, Steven Sotloff and David Haines.
The next beheading (of Alan Henning) will come after the Scottish Referendum (within a week) to give UK PM David Cameron a chance to once again push for airstrikes against ISIS in Syria & Iraq – most likely it will happen before Cameron/ Obama address the UN General Assembly next week to push for airstrikes in Syria & Iraq so they can point to the latest ISIS barbarity.
James Foley (August 19, 2014)
Steven Sotloff (September 2, 2014)
David Haines (September 13, 2014)
Alan Henning (Between September 19 – September 26, 2014 – PREDICTED)
You heard it here first.
These so-called Islamic Terrorists we are being told to fight? They are as fake as the 3 beheadings above.
They are CIA spies (and useful idiot lackies) sent to provide a reason for the US to go to war again in Iraq/ Syria.
Watch out for Alan Henning.
Daniel Rich said…18 September, 2014 01:02
“Quite a few vegetarians were advising W and according to these men, the same vegetarians today, are advising Obomber.”
Are you sure you mean vegetarians and not vegetables? Surely monsanto has by now devised a way to cross a turnip and a neocon using their GM skills (with the side effect of it being immune to round-up), that could handle the more mundane tasks of ZPC/NWO colonial management?
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It is apparent from Peter Lavelle’s Reichian facial expressions that he can barely suppress his laughter regarding the “beheadings.” He thinks they are fake, but he won’t say it out loud.
Anonymous, do you know the joke about Thatcher taking her Cabinet to dinner. The waiter asks what she would like. ‘Meat’ the ‘Milk-Snatcher’ replies. ‘How would you like it Madam?’ ‘Raw, of course’ ‘She Who Must be Obeyed’ bellows. ‘And the vegetables?’ simpers the waiter. ‘They’ll have the same’ she screeches, surveying the eunuchs of her entourage with undisguised contempt.
Julian, the sewer of the MSM in Australia is openly pushing for a regime change attack on Syria, the real reason for this IS kerfuffle. The Government owned ABC has been typically nasty and mendacious, equating the Syrian Government with IS, and peddling the same old lies. And we had a wonderfully timed ‘anti-terrorist’ cabaret put on this morning, some naughty Moslem fanatics apparently having been allegedly ‘urged’ by some unidentified Australian IS ‘leader’ in Iraq, to kidnap and behead a randomly selected Australian civilian, while draping them in the IS flag. You can fool some of the people all of the time, that’s for sure.
Wars should all be shown live on tv as compulsory viewing for anyone who contributed to causing the conflict, like voting for a war party.
Here’s video of some wounded from the punitive Ukie Aidar battalion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAWMTqVKnJA
I thought this was a great panel…commenters have said its dishonest to discuss “What Obama should do”, when the deep reality is that some people in the US benefit from ISIS, and Obama represents those few…
But I think there are two different realities…and these panelists on Crosstalk are discussing one reality.
Peter Lavelle is speaking on behalf of viewers who are seeing reality as it appears on the surface. “What’s Obama doing ?” And truthfully, that is the reality that matters…It does matter that ISIS is beheading people and terrifying the whole world right now…
The other, “deep” and horrible reality is that the Obama and “US policy” sides with ISIS. And the so-called enemies of Obama & US policy are ISIS’s enemies ..Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, and humanity.
Except that if Obama and his US policy were to side with ISIS in public I suppose a few shoppers would scratch their heads, and say something about it to their fellow shoppers at the checkout counter.
The comment by Abdelnour is the truth. This is about a third reality…the spiritual world and its involvement on the fields of Earth…this is about demons and Antichrists and the other names of that “real power” that history, over the millenia, has used. This is the time of lying and evil and it will be played out. Humanity must wake up to this reality, because its the source of all the chaos. But humanity is even more reluctant to see this reality than the “deep” one that the commenters are speaking of.
Every soldier, every banker, every shopper, we all have to get our actions on the righteous side…and watch.
I’ve heard it said that what’s important in all these chaoses is the “pushback”. That’s the real victory…its an inner victory…a spiritual victory.
They are missing the point which is just chaos.
The Americans bomb both sides in Syria because they want to prevent any power from emerging. Their strategy is to weaken the middle east as a whole and strengthen the position of Israel. They know exactly what they are doing.
I basically agree with ‘disgusted’ anonymous; while very interesting, the program and guests gets it wrong If the US is once more messing it up in the ME that’s because that’s what’s meant to happen.
Do I have to name the elephant in the room that answers the question ‘who is benefitting’? So, while interesting, Lavelle’s show does NOT rock, and I now ask myself why. Hit hard if you want to – that’s the rule. But never hit the elephant.
WestTX seems to hit the nail on the head. The US deploys its resources and men deliberately to have them destroyed, seized or killed. Literally. On the 500 mn US taxpayers’ dollars to ‘Syrian’ ‘rebels’, mentioned by Landis (an authoritative observer), let me briefy add:
There has been talk recently about a mysterious explosion that killed 50 top ‘Syrian’ ‘moderates’ who were opposed to Nusra and IS/ISIS/ISIL. Likely this connects in with a) the subsequent September non-aggression pact between ‘Syrian’ ‘moderates’ and jihadis (an agreement couched in jihadi racist language) –
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/13/ISIS-signs-non-aggression-pact-with-Syrian-group.html –
and b) as reported in this CrossTalk edition, the signatories are being financed with 500 mn US taxpayers’ dollars (presumably conditional on there agreeing not to oppose IS).
The evidence suggests the US – like the so-called ‘moderates’ – has chosen between IS and Assad, and have chosen IS.
Interestingly, CrossTalk made no mention of this development (reported by colleagues at AFP and alarabiya) nor did CrossTalk mention McCain’s reported and photographed visit to neo-caliph Baghdadi (or do Lavelle and his guests reckon it’s a photoshop job or that the people aren’t who they’re said to be?). For details on McCain’s clandestine trip to Syria, see http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html
Unfortunately Lavelle’s program does not rock and neither do his guests.
Coldtype @ 00:00
Re the arrest of Yevtushenko, I heard this:
“Another case is Russian oligarch Yevtushenkov, a billionaire, who was arrested in Moscow yesterday. Unlike well-known Mikhail Khodorkovsky, this one is out of politics. He is suspected in making a large-scale fraudulent deal with the corrupted officials in Bashkirtostan, a national republic in Volga district. Yevtushenkov purchased 5 years ago a big state-owned oil company “Bashfneft”, which was sold by the son of the republic’s ruler for a very small price. This billionaire perfectly knew what kind of asset he bought.”
Katherine
Thanks, it looks like run of the mill corruption then.
RE: This is about a third reality…the spiritual world and its involvement on the fields of Earth..
Europeans for at least the last 5000 years have exterminated them and very few are now left. Not enough to matter anyway. At first I thought it was an abomination but it seems too systematic and been going on for so long that they do understand the danger. Religion is used to hide reality from the masses and not to question things since it is always God’s will on earth. So it is interesting to see people arguing about sides of organized religion. It is only the fringe that have assimilated some of the other older versions of humanity that even have a chance at changing our fate. The core group of Europeans no matter where they went will stamp out the greatest danger to their hold on power and hold over human destiny. We might think of them as Anglo Zionists or what not. By now they are in every country pretty much and hold the power in most western countries. Organized religion is a greater danger to humanity than Anglo Zionists. Because with one they hinder us from realizing what humanity really is and the other just wipe those of us wishing for a different reality and path for humanity.
I had thought that the Europeans had wiped out the indigenous population of the original Indus valley civilization, but a core group has survived. Just to see the extermination of a population see this. It is very similar to the colonization of north America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages
Anonymous 0:0 relayed the link to http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/17/reported-us-syrian-accord-on-air-strikes/
An R. Parry article timelined 9/17
Did Russia broker a tacit deal to let USA bomb targets in Syria with Assad’s consent? To guarantee Syria’s security, for their part, the Russians would have to be very smart. As a commenter writes, all it would take is for one missile (even remotely plausibly from a Syrian battery) to hit a US plane and a) the US would have the pretext it was looking for to reduce Damascus to rubble (with Ban Ki Moon looking on and grinning, I add, like a Cheshire cat); plus: b) the Russians would get a whole lotta egg on their face; c) Moscow would be weakened vis-è-vis Kiev; d) Putin would be weakened internally, inside Russia.
It’s almost too tempting, n’est-ce pas?
sasy,
I wouldn’t place a lot of trust in Parry. He’s “ex-” CIA, i.e., limited hang-out, and purveyed a lot of pro-Obama misinformation in the past. This little number appears rather too convenient, imo.
@Nora – thx for info on Parry; will bear in mind
Nora
Not placing trust in Parry.
Wow. I have always trusted him.
On thw basis of his previous writing and journalism.
You may well be right. I am not arguing about something I know nothing about.
But just being ex-CIA doesn’t seem to me to be definitive. So is Ray McGovern. So is Agee. So is I think Prouty.
Seems like ex-CIA may be the best or even only way to find out anything.
Katherine
Anonymous 17:21
You are totally right. We know very well about the endless perennial stupidity of the rulers in Washington but the main issue is that they are just puppets of the oligarchs and lobbies who benefit from their “stupidity”
Katherine,
They’ve absolutely got access to what’s really going on and I do believe they’re well motivated (I trust McGovern more than Parry simply bc of some of the silly stuff Parry’s said to try to make Obama look good).
However, here’s the thing: the CIA has *still* got to vet every word they write.
So hidden agendas upon hidden agendas and we’re stuck trying to partial it all out. I.e., better than nothing, but it’s still a bit of a fog and the bottom line remains: We The People have no truly credible sources for what is going on right on the surface anywhere, much less inside the Deep State. All we can do is try to piece things together ex post facto (to the extent that we can) and then use that knowledge as a filter.