That would take either Tories deciding to vote against May’s Tory government, or their losing of their Northern Irish racist partners. Which of course is one reason why May has been very concerned with the Irish border with Brexit and what the DUP wants in N. Ireland.
As for now, Corbyn scares the Tories more than May and BoJoke. That’s one reason why May is still leader of that party. The Tories are afraid that such a move could lead to an even weaker government, which could lead to new elections and a Labour government. Still, its more likely that an internal revolt in the Tories could replace May with a different Tory leader. But the Tories desperately want to avoid new elections that they will likely lose.
BoJoke being forced to resign as FM is more likely. But he’s largely in that job because he represents a faction that could challenge May as party leader. If he’s lost credibility then perhaps he can be removed from that job. But if the Tories still regard him as a potential leader, then he’s probably safe as again they’d be afraid of getting an even weaker government and then new elections.
I continue to find that MZ, with her communication (and, I assume, thinking) style, in this instance and this case is not an effective spokeswoman and mouthpiece for the RF.
She is continually wrapped up in legalities and future scenarios, is terribly wordy, inserts multiple qualifiers and subordinate clauses (which weakens everything she does get around to saying) before she finally gets to her point— but still accepts the framing of the UK/USA.
I was startled when she said: What will future historians think of this (and odd question anyhow).
I thought the answer would be: The UK and the USA have gone mad in their attempt to ensnare Russia and paint her as a rogue state.
Imagine my surprise when she says, basically: Future historians will accept the UK/USA story!!
If that is the case, what is she and her ministry doing to make sure that that does not happen?
She should say: The accusations are all falling apart; there is no evidence; and the UK/USA will be laughingstocks in the eyes of future historians; and we are taking the kidnapping of two Russian citizens to the International Court. Or hiring attorneys in the UK to represent their interests aggressively in court. Or something!!!
I just don’t see effective pushback.
She must cut through the BS and have the guts to say what is really going on:
The whole thing is a provocation and the whole thing is a farce that most countries already see through.
IMHO.
“Future historians will accept the UK/USA story!!’
Exactly… MZ knows this is what will happen because that is the way to west makes it happen.
How many politicians of those countries, like our great puppet land down under, know full well that its is a provocation … but still sprout the same nonsense? All of them. That is why future historians will accept this fairy tale.
Interesting to see that this case has disappeared off the news… replaced by ball tampering cricketers and the wonderful Commonwealth Games being held in Brisbane.
Oh and we are supposed to be thrilled by our visitors – the scruffy (needs a haircut badly) heir to the throne, bonny Prince Charlie and his bored, out of her brain (yawned her way through official events) Duchess who made news by taking off her designer shoes to dip her big toe in the Pacific Ocean. Anything to take the UK crash and burn events off the news.
I agree 100% with you.It is about time for Putin and Lavrov to react with force.Since the non intervention after the Odessa massacre,what did we get in return of the ‘our partners’ policy?Nothing at all,even more sanctions,attacks,diffamation,lifes of civil and military personnel lost,diplomats expelled or killed’4),airplanes downed(3) by ‘accident’.More than 100 billions lost with the ruble,low oil price,sanctions…They will never stop untill RF finaly provide these western people with an ultimatum or… capitulation.No more rockets for the ISS,cut the gas to Europe(including UK),close US Embassy.Bomb illegal US bases in Syria.Give Merkel and Macron a 1 week deadline for the Minsk agreement to be implemented.Etc….They have no balls,they will calm down.
News from Moscow,siloviki are ruuning out od patience.
The actual low profile reactions from RF are seen as weakness by the West.
Backing down invites attack. Peace through strength is another view of it.
Each historic situation according to its merits. The objective is to avoid war, we disagree on the way to do that.
A belligerent and psychopathic enemy will keep probing where is your red line. It wasn’t in Syria, it wasn’t in Ukraine, it wasn’t in Chehnya, it wasn’t in allowing NATO right up to your borders, or militarising that border zone. It wasn’t in sanctions, or in control of foreign NGO’s operating in Russia, in political defamation, or shooting down Russian planes in Syria.
Where is the red line; Moscow’s gates? They will keep pushing till they find it, and everything up to that line, they claim it.
I’m sorry, the absence of a red line just spurs the enemy on. War can come as easily from attempts to avoid it at all costs, as from squaring up to the aggressor. Understand the enemy; consider how they think. They don’t think as you do, they are insane.
Russian weakness underpins and encourages American aggression.
Kennedy made Krushchev back down in 1962. the Americans have not forgotten. from that experience they have judged the Russians to be yellow bellies and will push Russia until Russia capitulates..or fights back.
will Russia fight the Jews/Americans????
Russia fought the French and Germans to the death and defeated them..in defense of the Russian homeland, on Russian soil. but the Russians lost to the Japanese. and Putin is absolutely, determinedly reluctant to fight the Americans and Jews, eating insults all the time, exposing himself foolishly grasping at straws in the wind as indication of american willingness to deal with him in good faith
What ? In your opinion Russia should fight ” the Jews/Americans ” ? ALL jews and ALL Americans ? One
should be a psycho and a warmonger to make that kind of comment.
” Kennedy made Krushchev back down in 1962 ” . Absolutely WRONG.
Kennedy did NOT MAKE Krushchev back down . It was a reciprocal concession to withdraw nukes: US from Turkey, and Russia from Cuba .
Learn history .
Compliments to ROBIN because he actually corrects the historic false claim that the Russian Soviet Armed Forces withdrew their protective armed bases, against the long terrorist claim of the USA to liberate the Cuban people from Castro’s government of Popular Liberation?
For as the commentator ROBIN accurately adds in fact, it was the Soviet’s who choose to avoid a mutually deadly nuclear exchange, by negotiating a mutual withdrawal of each side’s foreign overseas military bases!
And for those not older enough ( as I am over ninety years of age I can confirm from my own recall ) that once again demonstrated the underlying gesture by the Russian peoples and their various leaders to seek peaceful foreign relations…..and certainly not cowardice as the USA gangster regime would have us all think!!!
Katherine
I have to disagree. She is after all a FM spokesperson. She has to chose her words carefully and quote international law. She cannot be blunt. Both May and Johnson were pretty blunt and see what happened.
My feeling is that the response of the Russian government in being reasonable and citing international law has done an excellent job of improving and securing Russia’s most important foreign relation.
Nothing was going to change the way that military-fascist states like the US and UK react towards Russia. Ranting and raving like a pro-wrestler or MMA fighter would not improve the situation, and likely make it worse. Russia has been given a series of provocations where any strong response likely leads to the war that the US and UK seem to so desperately want or need.
Russia’s most important foreign relation is China. A strong relationship with China helps to withstand any western economic pressure. A strong relationship with China is likely the only thing that can avoid WW3. Its taken time to build both. And it seems very likely that Russia acting reasonable and citing logic and international law has helped to build this relation. The west has been pushing Russia and China closer together for some time now, much to the dismay of strategic theorists like old Mr. Kissinger. But if Russia acted like a demented MMA fighter, that would likely have given the Chinese leadership pause and made them wonder if being close to Russia was such a good idea.
Russia’s most important foreign relation is with China, and on that front they seem to have had great success. In this recent crisis that in many ways appears to be a set of provocations designed to start a war, the Chinese have made if very, very clear that they stand with their Russian allies. That’s what being reasonable and logical and citing international law has gotten the Russian government.
Katherine i assume you enjoy the command of english and understand good manners. I suggest you read between the lines. Russia is playing the gentleman with their diplomatic responses against the west’s crassness and undiplomatic. Look no further than the west’s presstitute without so much as querying the narrative of the government. This i suggest is called propoganda eg bbc.
I think this Skripal hoax story was only done to cover up Rotherham pedophiles
this is the big story that now nobody cares any more
so they did a great job at a high cost but they think it’s worth it
like it was worth 500000 Iraqi children…
May needs a pretext to cancell the Brexit,don’t forget she is a ‘remain’asset.The City of London has already lost a bunch of banks transfered to Frankfurt,Paris(mainly insurances).
Macron wants to shut down RT France(which in less than 4 months managed to get the third of RT English 2.5 millions audience,900.000 FB likes,probably more in reality).
French gov is in total panic,even more now during the massive strikes(train,air france,students,public sector etc..)
May 2018 is coming and it will be the 50th anniversary.
It was certainly odd to see PM May talking about EU solidarity while she’s supposed to be negotiating a divorce. And there’s a clock ticking on that.
Meanwhile, the Cambridge Analytica scandal seemed to be designed to try to discredit the Brexit vote and allow the remainers like May to cancel what the people said they wanted.
I dislike it when I hear arguments that say this or that is the only reason for a policy. Its usually more complicated than that. But it did seem to me that if the May government was discussing the possible outcomes of this provocation back when it was being planned, then the fact that it might get May out of having to do Brexit would be in their win column of effects that this might have.
I wish Russia would, proverbially and figuratively speaking, kick the UK in the b*ll*cks. Instead Russia’s leadership asks for commonsense, which is commonsense of course. But sometimes the common man and woman want good old revenge, plain and simple. There has to be a release otherwise cynicism sets in.
why on earth is the UK seeking war with Russia? One (only) MIRV’d Sarmat ICBM will reduce that sordid little island to nuclear waste – that’s all it will take. The idiotic creatures who run the UK (and these are not only the politicians) obviously are under the delusion that they are still a great power – laughable.
Russia needs a more aggressive FM – I have suggested at this point in time they need a Molotov, not a Lavrov. A Molotov would treat Bojo the grub and Bolton the clown like the vacuous puffins they are.
Maybe the people pulling the strings don’t mind losing an asset or two (whole countries) as long as Russia is destroyed too.
They can always colonize Africa or move to any areas that will allow them to continue their “work”. Any habitable area where US forces are deployed can be a new “starting point” for them…
Not to sound flippant, but Maria Zakharova has it all: brains, beauty, and cajones, and you should see her do the “Kalinka”. I could see her as Russia’s first female president in the future.
I’m waiting for a no confidence vote in parliament and the opposition to be instated, but it may be a long wait.
That would take either Tories deciding to vote against May’s Tory government, or their losing of their Northern Irish racist partners. Which of course is one reason why May has been very concerned with the Irish border with Brexit and what the DUP wants in N. Ireland.
As for now, Corbyn scares the Tories more than May and BoJoke. That’s one reason why May is still leader of that party. The Tories are afraid that such a move could lead to an even weaker government, which could lead to new elections and a Labour government. Still, its more likely that an internal revolt in the Tories could replace May with a different Tory leader. But the Tories desperately want to avoid new elections that they will likely lose.
BoJoke being forced to resign as FM is more likely. But he’s largely in that job because he represents a faction that could challenge May as party leader. If he’s lost credibility then perhaps he can be removed from that job. But if the Tories still regard him as a potential leader, then he’s probably safe as again they’d be afraid of getting an even weaker government and then new elections.
I continue to find that MZ, with her communication (and, I assume, thinking) style, in this instance and this case is not an effective spokeswoman and mouthpiece for the RF.
She is continually wrapped up in legalities and future scenarios, is terribly wordy, inserts multiple qualifiers and subordinate clauses (which weakens everything she does get around to saying) before she finally gets to her point— but still accepts the framing of the UK/USA.
I was startled when she said: What will future historians think of this (and odd question anyhow).
I thought the answer would be: The UK and the USA have gone mad in their attempt to ensnare Russia and paint her as a rogue state.
Imagine my surprise when she says, basically: Future historians will accept the UK/USA story!!
If that is the case, what is she and her ministry doing to make sure that that does not happen?
She should say: The accusations are all falling apart; there is no evidence; and the UK/USA will be laughingstocks in the eyes of future historians; and we are taking the kidnapping of two Russian citizens to the International Court. Or hiring attorneys in the UK to represent their interests aggressively in court. Or something!!!
I just don’t see effective pushback.
She must cut through the BS and have the guts to say what is really going on:
The whole thing is a provocation and the whole thing is a farce that most countries already see through.
IMHO.
Katherine
… yes, her wordiness is diluting. Russia Today is behaving likewise.
“Future historians will accept the UK/USA story!!’
Exactly… MZ knows this is what will happen because that is the way to west makes it happen.
How many politicians of those countries, like our great puppet land down under, know full well that its is a provocation … but still sprout the same nonsense? All of them. That is why future historians will accept this fairy tale.
Interesting to see that this case has disappeared off the news… replaced by ball tampering cricketers and the wonderful Commonwealth Games being held in Brisbane.
Oh and we are supposed to be thrilled by our visitors – the scruffy (needs a haircut badly) heir to the throne, bonny Prince Charlie and his bored, out of her brain (yawned her way through official events) Duchess who made news by taking off her designer shoes to dip her big toe in the Pacific Ocean. Anything to take the UK crash and burn events off the news.
I agree 100% with you.It is about time for Putin and Lavrov to react with force.Since the non intervention after the Odessa massacre,what did we get in return of the ‘our partners’ policy?Nothing at all,even more sanctions,attacks,diffamation,lifes of civil and military personnel lost,diplomats expelled or killed’4),airplanes downed(3) by ‘accident’.More than 100 billions lost with the ruble,low oil price,sanctions…They will never stop untill RF finaly provide these western people with an ultimatum or… capitulation.No more rockets for the ISS,cut the gas to Europe(including UK),close US Embassy.Bomb illegal US bases in Syria.Give Merkel and Macron a 1 week deadline for the Minsk agreement to be implemented.Etc….They have no balls,they will calm down.
News from Moscow,siloviki are ruuning out od patience.
The actual low profile reactions from RF are seen as weakness by the West.
Indeed. Weakness provokes aggression.
So, you want world war 3 and you want it now.
Backing down invites attack. Peace through strength is another view of it.
Each historic situation according to its merits. The objective is to avoid war, we disagree on the way to do that.
A belligerent and psychopathic enemy will keep probing where is your red line. It wasn’t in Syria, it wasn’t in Ukraine, it wasn’t in Chehnya, it wasn’t in allowing NATO right up to your borders, or militarising that border zone. It wasn’t in sanctions, or in control of foreign NGO’s operating in Russia, in political defamation, or shooting down Russian planes in Syria.
Where is the red line; Moscow’s gates? They will keep pushing till they find it, and everything up to that line, they claim it.
I’m sorry, the absence of a red line just spurs the enemy on. War can come as easily from attempts to avoid it at all costs, as from squaring up to the aggressor. Understand the enemy; consider how they think. They don’t think as you do, they are insane.
too much weakness on the part of the Russians.
Russian weakness underpins and encourages American aggression.
Kennedy made Krushchev back down in 1962. the Americans have not forgotten. from that experience they have judged the Russians to be yellow bellies and will push Russia until Russia capitulates..or fights back.
will Russia fight the Jews/Americans????
Russia fought the French and Germans to the death and defeated them..in defense of the Russian homeland, on Russian soil. but the Russians lost to the Japanese. and Putin is absolutely, determinedly reluctant to fight the Americans and Jews, eating insults all the time, exposing himself foolishly grasping at straws in the wind as indication of american willingness to deal with him in good faith
oh well. may be wrong. we will see!
.
What ? In your opinion Russia should fight ” the Jews/Americans ” ? ALL jews and ALL Americans ? One
should be a psycho and a warmonger to make that kind of comment.
” Kennedy made Krushchev back down in 1962 ” . Absolutely WRONG.
Kennedy did NOT MAKE Krushchev back down . It was a reciprocal concession to withdraw nukes: US from Turkey, and Russia from Cuba .
Learn history .
Compliments to ROBIN because he actually corrects the historic false claim that the Russian Soviet Armed Forces withdrew their protective armed bases, against the long terrorist claim of the USA to liberate the Cuban people from Castro’s government of Popular Liberation?
For as the commentator ROBIN accurately adds in fact, it was the Soviet’s who choose to avoid a mutually deadly nuclear exchange, by negotiating a mutual withdrawal of each side’s foreign overseas military bases!
And for those not older enough ( as I am over ninety years of age I can confirm from my own recall ) that once again demonstrated the underlying gesture by the Russian peoples and their various leaders to seek peaceful foreign relations…..and certainly not cowardice as the USA gangster regime would have us all think!!!
Katherine
I have to disagree. She is after all a FM spokesperson. She has to chose her words carefully and quote international law. She cannot be blunt. Both May and Johnson were pretty blunt and see what happened.
My feeling is that the response of the Russian government in being reasonable and citing international law has done an excellent job of improving and securing Russia’s most important foreign relation.
Nothing was going to change the way that military-fascist states like the US and UK react towards Russia. Ranting and raving like a pro-wrestler or MMA fighter would not improve the situation, and likely make it worse. Russia has been given a series of provocations where any strong response likely leads to the war that the US and UK seem to so desperately want or need.
Russia’s most important foreign relation is China. A strong relationship with China helps to withstand any western economic pressure. A strong relationship with China is likely the only thing that can avoid WW3. Its taken time to build both. And it seems very likely that Russia acting reasonable and citing logic and international law has helped to build this relation. The west has been pushing Russia and China closer together for some time now, much to the dismay of strategic theorists like old Mr. Kissinger. But if Russia acted like a demented MMA fighter, that would likely have given the Chinese leadership pause and made them wonder if being close to Russia was such a good idea.
Russia’s most important foreign relation is with China, and on that front they seem to have had great success. In this recent crisis that in many ways appears to be a set of provocations designed to start a war, the Chinese have made if very, very clear that they stand with their Russian allies. That’s what being reasonable and logical and citing international law has gotten the Russian government.
Un discour de Maitre!
Translation:A speech by Master!
Katherine i assume you enjoy the command of english and understand good manners. I suggest you read between the lines. Russia is playing the gentleman with their diplomatic responses against the west’s crassness and undiplomatic. Look no further than the west’s presstitute without so much as querying the narrative of the government. This i suggest is called propoganda eg bbc.
UK government caught lying AGAIN re: Skripal Novichok poisoning case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_07sDzv8Uk
Evening with Vladimir Solovyov 05.04.2018 – Video
You can change the language of the subtitles from Russian to English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5VGJ685MM&t=624s
I think this Skripal hoax story was only done to cover up Rotherham pedophiles
this is the big story that now nobody cares any more
so they did a great job at a high cost but they think it’s worth it
like it was worth 500000 Iraqi children…
May needs a pretext to cancell the Brexit,don’t forget she is a ‘remain’asset.The City of London has already lost a bunch of banks transfered to Frankfurt,Paris(mainly insurances).
More details here:
CrossTalk on Skripal case: The Problem with BoJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_FFSwL2tXI
Macron wants to shut down RT France(which in less than 4 months managed to get the third of RT English 2.5 millions audience,900.000 FB likes,probably more in reality).
French gov is in total panic,even more now during the massive strikes(train,air france,students,public sector etc..)
May 2018 is coming and it will be the 50th anniversary.
In FR:
https://youtu.be/U_6BeLSJv_o
https://youtu.be/Q11DgBp9Okg
It was certainly odd to see PM May talking about EU solidarity while she’s supposed to be negotiating a divorce. And there’s a clock ticking on that.
Meanwhile, the Cambridge Analytica scandal seemed to be designed to try to discredit the Brexit vote and allow the remainers like May to cancel what the people said they wanted.
I dislike it when I hear arguments that say this or that is the only reason for a policy. Its usually more complicated than that. But it did seem to me that if the May government was discussing the possible outcomes of this provocation back when it was being planned, then the fact that it might get May out of having to do Brexit would be in their win column of effects that this might have.
“But Russian Rage and Resentment is Very Real”
I wish Russia would, proverbially and figuratively speaking, kick the UK in the b*ll*cks. Instead Russia’s leadership asks for commonsense, which is commonsense of course. But sometimes the common man and woman want good old revenge, plain and simple. There has to be a release otherwise cynicism sets in.
This is Part of a Long Historical Effort to Destroy Russia.
A serious, but tiny part.
The West knows for certain that it cannot make a hot war with Russia.
Frustration drives them to create hybrid wars.
Russia operates its diplomacy knowing that UK is set eternally to destroy Mother Russia.
Russia understands and acts as a superpower.
Twenty years from now Russia will be ten times wealthier, surrounded with friends and a developing Eurasia.
The UK might have suffered a major civil uprising by then. Certainly, it will be a dwarf nation-state.
Skirpal is a False Flag. It is mud thrown. Not worth too much counter-punch.
why on earth is the UK seeking war with Russia? One (only) MIRV’d Sarmat ICBM will reduce that sordid little island to nuclear waste – that’s all it will take. The idiotic creatures who run the UK (and these are not only the politicians) obviously are under the delusion that they are still a great power – laughable.
Russia needs a more aggressive FM – I have suggested at this point in time they need a Molotov, not a Lavrov. A Molotov would treat Bojo the grub and Bolton the clown like the vacuous puffins they are.
Maybe the people pulling the strings don’t mind losing an asset or two (whole countries) as long as Russia is destroyed too.
They can always colonize Africa or move to any areas that will allow them to continue their “work”. Any habitable area where US forces are deployed can be a new “starting point” for them…
Just a guess, don’t take my word for it ;)
Not to sound flippant, but Maria Zakharova has it all: brains, beauty, and cajones, and you should see her do the “Kalinka”. I could see her as Russia’s first female president in the future.