After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers’ Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
The Solution, Bertolt Brecht
To say that the Brexit was a historical event is an understatement, not because of the political or economic consequences of this vote, but because first and foremost it is a loud, painful and most humiliated smack in the collective face of the ruling “elites”which run the AngloZionist Empire. All of them, not just Cameron, Merkel and Obama, but also and most importantly, their puppeteers. This is also a slap in the face of the AngloZionist comprador class which administers the EU colony on behalf of the USA. That is not to say that those who voted to leave the EU did that with the intention to make a political statement against the “elites”s, though some undoubtedly did, but because this is how the 1% class of plutocrats which run the Empire will perceive it. For them, this is something like a peasant insurrection, a Jacquerie if you want, and the normal reaction of feudal overlords threatened by their serfs it to put it down, not to negotiate with the serfs or, even less so, “reform” any of their ways.
Over and over again, we have seen that each time the referendums in Europe did not go the Empire’s way, or when the Empire was defeated in its policies (as in Syria, for ex.), the reaction was not to change course or engage in a lessons learned exercise, but to double-down and engage in what the French call “une fuite en avant” (to flee forward).
And that is what they will do next.
Because this is much bigger than Britain or the EU. It’s first and foremost about racism. Not the alleged racism of the “leave” voters, of course, but the very real racism of the AngloZionist “elites” who can mentally cope with the “slothful southerners” in Greece being unhappy about the EU and who can, when needed, remind the Turks their place in the pecking order of the Empire (servant quarters), but who cannot, and will not, accept that members of their own kind, the people of Britain, would dare to reject them in such a public and humiliating fashion.
Europe is run by what the French philosopher Alain Soral so aptly called “an aristocracy without nobility”, a gang of feudal lords whose only loyalty is to their masters across the Atlantic. These masters, by the way, have their own enforcement force, NATO, which will make darn sure that the Europeans don’t get any ideas about freedom, sovereignty or people power.
I don’t mean the above figuratively at all: this is the reality of Europe today, and the British people are putting it a risk and that is something nobody in the ruling class can, or will, accept.
There are already talks about a 2nd referendum with a few cosmetic changes, that was already done in Ireland, while others are suggesting that the British Parliament could simply ignore the vote, something which Holland is trying right now. And should there be protests or demonstrations, a state of emergency to “protect democracy against the racist mobs” (or something similar) can be decreed, as was the case in Russia in 1993. What is certain is that now that the the British people have “forfeited the confidence of the government” (that is how the ruling class will understand what happened), the British people will have to be taught once and for all not to rise up against their masters.
Finally, now that the real systemic, political and even moral crisis of the EU has become apparent to all, an obvious “solution” will be to to ratchet up international tensions with Russia, Syria and Libya. After all, the Guardian was already stupid enough to accuse the Kremlin of using football hooligans as a part of a Russian “hybrid war” against Europe:
That kind of nonsense will not only continue, but will be sharply expanded. Oh, and as we know, Putin is the one who orchestrated the Brexit or, at the very least, benefited most from it, right?
The Brexit situation is exactly the same as 9/11: the ruling classes are all dependent on maintaining the myth because they all put their full political weight behind that myth.
To admit that 9/11 was a controlled demolition or to admit that the EU project is a failure rejected by the people of Europe in many referendums would be a political suicide for thousands of politicians, experts, journalists, commentators, etc. There is simply no way that is going to happen.
Brexit is similar to 9/11 in another manner too: the popular reaction to the 9/11 fairly tale was the first shot in a quasi overt war of the American people against their US ruling “elites” which eventually resulted in the adoption by the public of the concept of “1%” which is the result of a realization that the USA is not a democracy any more. In the same way, the Brexit is clearly a vote of no-confidence of the British people against their rulers and a sign that the legitimacy of the entire political system is now openly questioned. You think I am exaggerating?
Think again: to vote for the Brexit you needed to reject not only the alarmist voices of the political class, but also all the ugly innuendos of the corporate media, the threats for the likes of Soros, the dire warnings of doom and gloom coming out of NATO, etc. So if you still voted “leave” after that, you were rejecting the authority and credibility of the entire political structure and once the credibility is in question, so is the legitimacy.
By the way, something similar is now happening in the USA were people express a very strong support for Trump even though the ruling “elites” have engaged in a huge hate campaign against him.
The “elites” in the US and UK know that their position and legitimacy is being questioned and they have to take action to stop this process of political disintegration. In the words of Brecht, will they now try to” dissolve the people and elect another”?
Things are going to get ugly now.
The Saker
Brexit seems to have originally been intended to give Cameron a mandate to keep doing what he does best. A big miscalculation by the AZ crowd that has given them some big headaches and making everyone scramble. But also opportunities for lots of mischief. Britain is/was five-eyes window into the EU. Merkel and Holland are both controlled but need to be kept on a short leash otherwise they might do something stupid like signing a Minsk agreement or join Russia in the fight against ISIS.
If it were to look like the AZ would lose some control over the Brexit then any plans for a hot war may have to be brought forward.
Add to this the Philippines vs China predetermined judgement due out on the 7th with US publicly stating they would enforce the judgement with their two aircraft carries currently off the Philippines….
Very uncertain times ahead.
I’m curious about all the concern for “Article 50”. They seem to think they are talking of “Holy Writ”. The only “Holy Writ” was the peoples vote. I would say “goodbye” to the EU at once. Waiting 2 years is ridiculous if you intent to leave.
@ Uncle Bob
“Waiting two years is ridiculous…”
You are very optimistic my friend. It will take an eternity… and that eternity can be postponed, adjourned in legalese, to infinity.
Probability of ever happening is one in a million – or I’ll eat my head, as Mr.Grimwig would say.
Kim
Uncle Bob 1
The EU, and Britain’s membership of it, is founded on international treaties. Britain is enmeshed in a web of laws, rules and regulations it shares with the countries it will continue to do business with. There is a helluva lot of negotiation to be done. The Article is the legal way for such negotiations to proceed.
There is also concern because delay in triggering it is likely part of the scheming to reverse the result of the referendum.
I understand they feel (pretend,great powers as we know,follow rules when they “want” to,and “don’t” when it suits them) they are “bound” by those treaties. But the only thing that really counts is the “peoples voice”. That is the point I’m making.If they wanted to get out they would,treaties or not. I believe they use that as an “excuse” to break the one valid “law”,the “consent of the governed to their rule”.
Uncle Bob 1
And I simply meant that there’s a helluva a lot of practical stuff that has to be sorted. Also, all states do in fact honour their treaties and observe international law in pretty much all their dealings with each other – otherwise there would be complete chaos. This is consistent with the reality that many of the rules are made by the strong and the weak have no choice but to obey, and that everyone bends the rules, and will break them if their interets require and they can get away with it. It is also consistent with the point that the UK government will likely use whatever legal means it can to evade the wishes of the irksome oicks and their “voice”.
I actually consider there is pretty much complete chaos right now. But that is another matter. I believe that if a nations leaders only stick to one “policy” they will succeed. If they don’t there will be trouble. And that is,always listen to the wishes of your people. The fact that so many don’t today goes a long way to explaining why the World is in the shape it is.
Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties 1969 – failure to use Art 50 could be disastrous for the UK and destroy it totally
Sounds like a plan.
Remembered what happened with Grexit; a very public breaking of the power of the People.
Is World War 3 on or off?
Jiri : I think it is “on hold” at the moment ,but if us ,the peasants , continue with our restlessness and disobedience , it will be ON ,again
I am scared about what will happen too. Russia, China, and Europe are all acting in formal, open defiance of the doctrine of Full Spectrum Dominance.
Thanks for another insightful analysis, even if it has to conclude with “things are going to get ugly now”!
It would be interesting to see a full list of the money that was behind Brexit.
Soros put his money on Brexit, also a hedge fund manager who was Murdochs son inlaw put money on it, and Murdoch pushed Brexit in his media.
http://www.finalternatives.com/node/33325
In late April, Odey – who is one of Britain’s richest men and was once briefly married to Rupert Murdoch’s daughter – was among 100 executives from Britain’s financial industry who signed a letter backing Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union.
In my view, elites from Great Britain and from other countries pushed and supported Brexit, due to specific reasons and goals. There are many stratigical options now possible for GB, much more then before. If one of the goal is to financially ruin EU or ignite clash between EU and Russia, then it is better for GB to be out. Also new relations are now possible for GB with China, Russia, India and SAD. We shall see what future brings.
For “fuite en avant” I would translate “forging ahead regardless.”
that is a better translation indeed, thanks!
Just an anonymous visitor and reader for 5 years now.
Simply wanted to provide a proper translation of the expression “fuite en avant.” It more properly translates into “being in denial.” When the French use that expression to response to somebody’s reaction or response to a specific question/inquiry/situation… they mean to say the person responding or their response/reaction is in denial or is being in denial… often of the truth/reality, when faced/confronted with such truth/reality.
Forging implies some dignity and that is something none of the European ruling classes have.
The translation for fuite would be: flight, escape, run away which in this case I find quite appropriate.
The ruling classes will be escaping, like good psychopaths they are, whatever they have done and, of course will blame every one and everything else but themselves.
Thank you Saker for this analysis. Could you provide us with a short description of the mood in your State during the conventions in July? It would be interesting to read what is your take on it all.
@ Alexandra
“Forging implies some dignity and that is something none of the European ruling classes have.”
Sorry to butt in but I don’t see any dignity in forging, which evokes very negative attributes, such as falsity, deceit and so on.
What John meant was “charging” although I admit “forging” is also acceptable within that context.
More opinions please!
Kim
More opinions please!
Forging or forge – blacksmiths forge – forging metal.
I actually looked up the saying “forging ahead” and apparently it means moving quickly, though I have taken it to be push through, overcome obstacles ect.
A bit of trivia, when I looked up the term forge was also the name of a transgender organisation – forgery?
If choosing an ideomatic translation, i would opt for “doubling down”. If looking for increased expressiveness “retreating forward” or something along those lines. Whenever an action fails in its intent and its planner deludes himself the cause of failure was insuficient quantity/intensity.
The french expression is very fortunate by exposing the contradiction it refers to but also containing it within itself.
“Flight forward” has been around for a while, meaning, instead of running away from an adversary (retreating), you “flee” by rushing ahead. The expression has a connotation of desperation, as there is no safety in either direction. It derives from the “fight or flight” instinctive response to danger seen in nature as well as the human battlefield, although modified in that case by training, allowing fear to be “weaponized” under the expert hand of an oligarchy with centuries of superlative training. It seems the common man, on the other hand, deprived of historical continuity, must learn to fight again with each new generation, while oligarchy wreaks havoc as a single being across history.
I made a speculation the day of the result – in a different site – that EU would fragment politically and eventually it would be NATO against the peoples of Europe. Gladio would become a household word again (as I assume it did for a time in Italy).
I thought I was reaching far at the time, but it seems not.
But every shadowy act of the rich against the poor – which is all this is – is actually appearing as a shadow play, in sharp relief on any wall of any hovel. Every action they take does two things: it backfires against some of their own, and it shows itself as being done, in a way that was never apparent before the Internet.
The narrative among the poor since the dawn of history has been very clear about the rich, but the narrative is distributed now, thanks to the Internet. And when the rich come for the Internet, to restrict it to the privileged and ban it for the poor, this too will backfire against some of their own. But most of all their acts will be seen for what they are. Their shadows will play out a shadow play for all to see.
So I have some hope, not that the ugliness will cease, but that we are learning to recognize ugliness immediately, as it arises, and by its lies.
@ Grieved
“Gladio would become a household word again (as I assume it did for a time in Italy)”
It did not. Gladio did the slaughtering under the banner of the Red Brigades. As far as I remember, the former prime-minister Giulio Andreotti, dropped the word during his trial on charges of high-handed gangsterism with the mafia in the 1980s, over 15 yrs after the terrorists attacks, the main one at Bologna rail station.
Gladio was active in other countries under local names and one that comes to mind was the systematic attacks against the Communist Party in Portugal in 1974 when they killed party members and burned their offices and houses.
Kim
@ Grieved
“So I have some hope, not that the ugliness will cease, but that we are learning to recognize ugliness immediately, as it arises, and by its lies.”
Awareness of events unfolding before our eyes, like an endless tragedy played in a theatre of shadows, will force some of us to adjust our world view and our place in it. But it also instils in others the realization of our impotence and the hopelessness of vain attempts for change the existing order.
I admire the bravery and unselfishness of the revolutionaries of yesteryear who, sometimes in their many thousands, put their lives on the line and often lost them so that others, like us, might have better lives. Yet we, the selfish beneficiaries of their sacrifices, are shy of lifting a finger in their memory.
Kim
Hi Saker ! Good article – and I have relatives and friends in the UK and it was the older people that all voted to leave…the younger ones are supposedly angry now at the older ones, because “…our future is ruined !!!”…
this just goes to show how lousy education is now in the West…
Ann
Current estimates are that only 36 per cent of 18-24 year-olds bothered to vote. Of them, I believe, three-quarters voted Remain. So, what’s that? 27 per cent of young voters? I think the rate of abstentions is more of an indication of lousy education.
Education?
this is not about kids´ education but about all-pervading false ideology that rules all of us today.
Like a magic ring.
“One ring to rule them all… (and) to forever bind them” (Tolkien) –
what is this evil ring in our society? It is the shortsighted fear of temporary disadvantages on the levels of bank account and job contract expressed in the words about “future ruined”.
why, then, are people so shortsighted?
Because they do not believe any longer that it is God or Nature who give each of us a future, as all our ancestors justly and usefully did,
but they think it is Company X or Bank Y who give us a future.
this ideologem is taught to us and rubbed into us on a daily basis in TV, WWW, Press, anywhere.
Counter-information would be the only antidote, but where are the radio broadcasters, WWW sites, TV preachers… who will give it?
I repeat here some basics of the counter-education necessary for all of us.
1) Economy consists not only of the activities for which money is paid but it always has a non-monetary, instinctive base of work done for reasons of tradition, honor, religion, or just because it feels right to do it. Housewives´ work and domestic old-age care for example.
The broader this base is, the safer and easier is life for all of us;
on the contrary, when more and more of this base is conquered and swallowed up by the monetary sector, life gets more and more complicated and unsafe…
a fact which is not reflected by GDP growth or other measuring means on the monetary sector. One can see high growth rates while people´s life becomes a deep pit of miseries! Money lies!
Thus, if you do lots of work but only a little part of it is paid, for example if you are a housewife or a grandmother, do NOT feel in disadvantage, or humiliated, or whatever nonsense you may think about yourself after watching Mammon´s TV ads.
On the contrary, the more of your work lies in the nonmonetary sector, the more you are really doing fo our collective wellbeing, and the more chances you have for your own heart to remain innocent, for your person to remain uninvolved in the criminality which is always associated with money, the “Satan Mammon”!
If you keep this in mind and act accordingly, you do Active Resistance to what is the root of almost all wrongs today.
2) It is a big fat lie that life in past ages, pre-industrial ages, was so much harder and so much more disagreeable than life today.
People had their fears and problems and were subject to suppression and Willkür, OK, but not more than today but only in other ways and in other areas of life.
All that much-praised hightech civilization still is nothing more than a zero-sum game,
it made our lives neither easier nor happier,
only more complicated … and laden with more false hopes / fake dreams than ever before.
Even the dark Middle-age world view perhaps was more realistic!
Schoolkids, for example. A hundred years ago they feared the Teacher´s stick and that of the strict father. Today there are no more sticks in grown-ups´ hands to fear, but bullies and robbers on the schoolyards, with or without knives in hands (!), give the same amount of fear to our kids or even more, and they have to cope with it all alone in most cases, there is NO adult with a “weapon” in hand around to chase the bullies away! Remember, the Teacher´s stick wasnt only in use to beat up poor little ones who had forgotten their homework or said the wrong things, but it served also to stop violence and bullying in schoolyard and classroom. To give safety to the weak. This necessary help lacks today.
The weak who get bullied often are victimized themselves: “why do you ATTRACT bullies?”
What a criminal nonsense to even think such things about them!
Or take the kings and counts who ruled us.
They exploited us, and the priests acted as if this were God´s will and all OK, and people were more or less grumpy about both of them.
We are taught to think that everything is better now. False! Zero-sum game or worse, again!
Today´s counts and princes are the Big Companies. they rule much more of our daily lives than any prince or duke did in former times – because, no matter how much self-importance the respective Chief showed, his power was limited by the forces of Nature.
Daily life of normal people in former times, until the beginning of 20th Century at least, circulated more around Nature and Family and the circumstances in these areas than around anything related to Government and Chief. Old Russia had a proverb: “Sky is high, and the Czar is far.” Thats why life could be relatively good in old times, no matter how bad the current King did his job. Today, however, the sky hangs low above us, and the Czars invade everything and are everywhere, named Mars and Monsanto, BASF and GeneralMotors, Nestle and Microsoft. UGH!
3) We are told by current psychology that there is no such thing as an inborn human nature or a fixed instinctive human pattern, but that humans become what they are reared to be.
This is how “they above” try to reconcile us with a more and more un-natural daily life and a progressive alienation from the rest of Creation.
Another big fat lie.
See how small kids, toddlers, weep and cry for getting out of house into the sun when weather is fine! See how they grasp for fresh fruit, and spit out pungent or bitter things! See what games they play in the sandbox!
these behaviors ARE fixed, all toddlers have them. This shows that humans, too, have an inborn instinct pattern, as all mammals have,
and we also must have had a fixed, clear task in the big web of Biosphere, like other species… before we decided to forget this natural frame and to “become something better, Rulers of Earth”!
There, however, are some of us who think the right things. They decide to stand to their inborn instincts as long as those are harmless, innocent, towards their fellow humans; they allow only God´s Golden Rule to curb their instincts.
For example they think “I will not accept to wear shoes every day, I will go barefoot wherever I can, no matter what people say about how that looks.”
and they all endure more or less trouble for their decision, being regarded as wrong, defiant, non-realistic, and so on – although it is them who is right and the rest of the world is blockheads!
In these dissidents lies a glimpse of hope for a reversal of the Original Sin of Man,
which is not Sexuality or Idolatry or Disobedience,
but lies in the delusion to think that Homo Sapiens, not GOD, is Earth´s Lord!
Bible says we are made to garden God´s land, with our hands and with mechanical tools.
We are not Lords, but God´s employees, designed to make this beautiful planet more beautiful.
To be good employees for Him we must follow our innate patterns wherever God´s Law allows it. God made these patterns and He made them well!
Our current industry and economy system, however, counteracts almost all aspect of them.
It enforces upon us to live on canned foods, under arteficial light, fed (up) with fake TV shows, constantly operating machines but seldom having contact with animals or trees…
How can we even remember that we have been created as Gardeners of God in times where almost all the land is under the rule of harvesting and ploughing machines?
GIVE THE LAND BACK TO OUR HANDS! This would be the first BIG step back to normal.
I spoke to a young one – early 20s – here in London about 2 weeks ago. I barely got going against the EU, when I was immediately shut down, as in ‘that’s my opinion and I don’t want to talk about it’. bliar had the mantra of ‘education, education, education’, and a lot of LIEbore MPs etc were supporters/members of the Fabian society, which detrimentally affected the pupils’ education. Fortunately, not all young people are like that here.
However, I also spoke to 2 elder people, 1 in her 50s, who had almost the same reaction as the younger one, and another in her 80s – who should have known better – who was all for it, including ‘brown people’, that is, no whites and no blacks, everybody the same mixed up colour, someone who probably puts whites in with coloureds at the same time in their washing machine.
Going by the what I reckon is a genuine reaction of the ‘elites’, the Leave vote was unexpected, because the way those idealogues think, is that nobody could possibly succeed against them, or vote the way they did. Like the American neocons, who arrogantly thought they could make their own reality exist above all others, they got a very rude shock.
As it is, I believe there is a spiritual dimension to the split on the EU, which is why the ‘elites’ can’t really comprehend it, or deal with it successfully, at least so far.
To offer an alternative on that… I would say it’s more a case of never having lived any other way… simple status quo bias, and not so complicated (although the media are doing their best to find something nefarious in it… if not, they of course just make it up)!
@the alleged racism of the “leave” voters
It is not “alleged”. I have no douts that:
“Nigel Farage has tapped into a volcano of fury over immigration – and it’s not stopped erupting yet”:
“…the victory for Brexit was actually delivered with the votes of those who don’t like immigration. These were Farage’s people. They took Leave over the line. And they did so with the connivance of the official Vote Leave campaign that held its nose and cannot now disavow this truth. Some are now saying that immigration was not really such a big factor in the outcome and the way forward is for the UK to join Iceland and Norway in the European Economic Area (EEA) and stay in the single market”. @http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/nigel-farage-has-tapped-into-a-volcano-of-fury-over-immigration/
In fact it was not about ‘immigration’ as such, but immigration from Eastern and South-Eastern Europe (the “slothful southerners”).
“The Ukip leader indicated that he would prefer immigration from countries he said had the most similar cultures to the UK as he was grilled about his approach to immigration during the latest BBC Leader interview broadcast on Wednesday evening.
“Asked by presenter Evan Davis whether he would favour immigrants from some countries over others, he said: “I have to confess I do have a slight preference. I do think, naturally, that people from India and Australia are in some ways more likely to speak English, understand common law and have a connection with this country than some people that come perhaps from countries that haven’t fully recovered from being behind the iron curtain.”
@http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/22/nigel-farage-immigrants-india-australia-better-than-eastern-europeans
It is rather amusing that all is presented as if England was invaded by the ‘Continent’ and now it recovered its independence. People forget that England demanded to join the European Economic Community in 1963, but General De Gaulle famously said “Non”, despite the pressures of President Kennedy, complemented with threats. He realized that Great Britain was America’s “Trojan Horse”.
England persisted and President Pompidou lacked the prescience of De Gaulle. Eventually England joined in 1972, but continued to ask for ‘re-negociations’ and in 1975 organized the first Referendum whether to remain in the EEU. Does anyone rember the results? Yes: 67.2%, No: 32.8%! Of course, the vote was declared a “historic decision”!
I think we have a different thinking on what “racism” is. I don’t consider not wanting your country to be swamped with people that have different cultures or race than your population. That you would find it hard or impossible to assimilate into your society as “racist”. I consider racism as hating others because of their race as racism. I find it totally understandable for a nation to keep their unique traditions, ethnic,and cultural make-up. Where is it written that a country “must” be over-run by foreign peoples if they don’t want to.In settler states which from foundation were created as multi-national,multi-cultural states,that might be the norm. But nations formed by thousands of years of ethnic and cultural history are not the same.And they should feel no “shame” or be considered “racist” for wanting to keep their nation as it has always been.
Oh well, the Brits have exported their racism to the colonies. Australia, for instance.
Your arrogance suggests you are an American (or possibly something worse such as an Australian)!
Who are Brits?
I am English and live in London. I have never met an indigenous Briton who refers to himself as a Brit.
While people may copy British racism which is practiced by the majority of British people, this racism does not include verbal or physical attacks on the non indigenous inhabitants except in self defence.
Racism is normal…defending your race, your culture and your traditions is a normal reaction to pressure from outside your community, unless you are a mentally ill Marxist, leftist or Establishment psychopath.
I love it! Yes mate, I am in the worst category on your list. I should have probably said Pommies.
‘England demanded to join the European Economic Community’ – that is where you have made an error of logic, by conflating what the British Government wanted, with what the British people wanted, just like with the referendum last week.
the UK citizens at the time were not presented with plans the EU was to morph into a political and fiscal union it has become…or else, they would have got thumbs down back then too.
the EU project is one of the most deceitful of all times. pure evil.
Great languages have their own magic, and so does French. That ‘fuite en avant’ can be translated in various ways, consonant with the idea. But the sequence of those two vowels ‘ui’ carry hints of a musical fugue with a dash of sly indiscreetness or carelessness. Which in the instance, are associated with paradox (en avant), and consequent futility.
I am, in principle, averse to profanities, but here, considering the parties to the ‘fuite’ and their sorry history, I’d suggest “sh….ing forward.”
AHAHA. I agree.
The biggest surprise for me in the Brexit referendum outcome was that the deep state/elite/power brokers behind the US/UK allowed the outcome to be determined by the voters. I fully expected these manipulators to control the outcome of the vote, by stealth, by cheating, by mega-spending on propaganda and fear of the unknown, so that the ‘no’ vote would win by a small margin. I really didn’t expect them to leave it to chance, to the actual will of the people – who are just pawns to be manipulated as the need arises in a pretense of democracy. So then this outcome makes me wonder if they (the manipulators) expected this outcome, and have a plan in place for this outcome?
@ Stiv
I share your misgivings about the result. Obviously the Establishment did not want it, unless their double-game projects far beyond our capacity to fathom the ultimate goal, which they know and we don’t.
But consider the actual mechanics of rigging the vote. Giving the fact that the predictions were for a close contest, they would have to plan in advance how to eliminate a given number of votes to win, say one million, and instructions given to that effect. But if the actual contrary vote was bigger than that number, and not having the means to know that until the final counting, they would not be in a position to readjust their plan. Too bad.
I don’t know the actual mechanics of rigging, just a thought about how difficult it could be to fine-tune the final result in a way that it would not be too scandalous to ignore skulduggery.
Kim
Yes its been suggested that the eu was created to fail by the anglo zionist empire . Its possible and should be considered.
.IMO the referendum was designed to gain or manufacture consent for the next rounds of integration , they never expected a leave vote and despite the probable cheating couldnt get the required consent.
i mean providing pencils for a referendum!!!
The determined delegitimisation campaign now in full swing indicates that this is the case. W
Their plan in place is chaos, nothing but. I have my suspicions too. Though, given the rumors about pens being used instead of pencils, maybe, just maybe, manipulators were caught off guard.
Yes, that is the big question. Some, like Murdoch, did side with Brexit so the question is, was this planned, was this desired and even if not what will the ramifications be? Already Merkel and Hollande are planning how to make any further Referendums next to impossible.. so maybe Brexit was just the catalyst to clamp down on what’s left of Democracy in Europe and go full-on EU-Dictatorship.
They are certainly not going to let this crysis go to waste. Expect further economic suffering, terrorism and possibly a “limited” war, maybe against Russia or at least Iran.
“Never let a crisis go to waste”? I agree.
I suspect some sinister scenarios are been gamed right now even as we speak.
Russia and Iran and of course Syria are prime candidates for the Empire to lash out at and vent its frustration and deep humiliation over Btexit on. They need to be on their guard for this.
With this in mind, “the incident” in Turkey at the Ataturk Airport might not be unrelated.
Why?
If it is used to justify an expansion of Turkey’s and its NATO allies military presence in Syria, be very suspicious. The Empire might be striking back.
It might very well have been ochestrated or “allowed” to happen to justify pressing on with regime change in Syria as a sort of face-saving payback for Brexit. It might be bigger than Erdogan.
Please remember that Turkey has been playing a very dirty game in Syria from the beginning of hostilities and have sought geo-political gains and territorial expansion at Damascus’ expense.
An escalation in Syria could be used to ratchet up the chaos index by distracting world attention from Brexit, while keeping Russia and its allies off balance.
If these are “genuine” acts of terror however, then the appropriate thing for Turkey to do is to take up Putin’s offer to join together and fight against the threat together.
However this plays out I somehow get the feeling that the people of the UK will not be “allowed” to disengage from the matrix and go off to get their lives back together and live happily ever after.
I think you are right.
The conundrum of a globalist like Murdoch being apparently pro-Brexit could very well’be linked to this too: it may be that the Atlanticists believe they can control things more easily by keeping NATO out of EU red-tape
Judging from the new global security initiative announced by Moggers, there seems to be some dawning realisation that the oil-cartel,s musclemen have wrought too much havoc for Europe – especially Germany. The migrant crisis is out of control. There is increasing awareness of who the main culprit is, yet the EU, though complicit, is drawing the most fire. They are now in crisis as result of arrogance and hubris.
So its looking like some Anglo Zionist faction wanted a Brexit too, if for different reasons to the voters.
It was a surprise to me as well. The poll immediately after the Cox assassination showed a huge drop for Remain; possibly the last honest poll. The other polls suggested a dead-even race with Remain having a sleight lead, as if to prepare people for a Remain victory.
My guess is, the margin of Leave was so great it couldn’t be cheated and the Leave campaign won by a far wider margin than was reported.
However, the powers that presume to be have accurate polling data and backup plans are now being put into motion.
Dear Saker, how true this all is. As I stood in the polling booth, the pencil in my hand, I recalled George Soros urging a remain vote and voilà , I made my mark in the leave box. I am mystified by the reaction. I have friends who have been crying! Who think it is an absolute disaster but interestingly haven’t articulated why they think that is the case. The elites (and those who think they are) in the South East of the country have been led to believe that the rest of the country is infested with racists. They seem gripped with fear and hysteria and are paralysed by it. I’ve been trying to talk people down, suggesting that in the long run it means nothing as I suspect the negotiations will bring us something not that much different or indeed they’ll start a hot war in order to ignore the vote completely (which I guess isn’t technically talking people down!) At the same time the vote for Corbyn as Labour leader is being undermined by Labour MPs. I was heartened by the hastily arranged rally to support Corbyn, which attracted 10,000 people. But my belief is that over the coming years all this voting stuff will indeed be ignored. We’ll get to a point where we don’t vote at all as we can’t be trusted with it. The pathetic petition to stage the referendum again was a worse performance than England’s against Iceland. I mean really… tsk. I’d also throw in another observation here, unlike nearly everyone I know I don’t watch the mainstream news (just RT) and I don’t read any newspapers. My understanding of the world comes from books written by people who know what they are talking about and from websites such as yours. Hence my complete refusal to become hysterical and cry about a ‘democratic’ process. I wonder what the people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc think of us and our promotion of democracy when we become such wimpering fools when it doesn’t go the way our lords and masters want it to.
There is some news regarding that other referendum too. Dutch prime minister Rutte has said that he is prepared to sign the association agreement with Ukraine on the condition that there comes a “juridically binding” solution for what according to him were the main arguments of the No vote: This should not be a first step towards EU membership, the military cooperation should not become a security guarantee for Ukraine and we shouldn’t waste (too much) money on financial support of Ukraine.
As he does not want to change the association agreement (what would then need to be signed again by all the member states) it is unclear how he wants to make such conditions binding.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/politiek/rutte-vraagt-nederlandse-aanvulling-op-oekraineverdrag~a4329419/
I suspect many voted leave due to the failure of Camerons last attempts at negotiations,if he had seriously succeeded he might have been given one more chance and narrowly one at the referendum. So people realised the Eu is only interested in its own direction, as now proved by Poland leaking papers re Germanic_French uber state with one tax ,imigration, justice, tax ,unified policies of everything, then yesterday Junckers saying the 8 remaining countries outside euro must join in now…I cannot seem them willing to do that after Uk example…..if they do not the euro is even more vulnerable.Uk would never have joined but still keep its sterling.
Leavers have now too much suspicion and incredulity that any uk politicians can actually look after the uk.Farage spoke plainly and clearly in evefyday language.Now the uk politicians can be directly held to account and not blame eu for the endless directives like the size of your vacuum cleaner motor, they are sure if things like this will prevent climate change despite the best intentions.
There were calls to lower the voting age….maybe some think the young are too naive and inexperienced to understand politics although they seem to know every word of every song played at Glastonbury….one admires their idealism and optimism but the spectre of the young following such as Russel Brand is horrifying….we are not taught sufficiently by politicians and press the realities and “truths” of the political scene, its all just soundbites and banner headlines, nothing in depth by the failure of education.Older generation confused or too sceptical now about something they thought was good for busines and stability but could only see more instability coming after Merkels open invitations and the resulting scenes on tv of mass refugees from war areas that rightly or wrongly felt would swamp eu and uk with the willing powerless to be unable to prevent people at the jungle for example walking through the channel tunnel, and kperhaps bring their chaos to uk.Eu has failed it never seems to enough quickly enough but just tal about things endlessly in the name of consultation when plain commonsense should immefiately be applied.We know of endless waste of monies by eu which just mirrors similar such schemes in uk.Corbyn might have succeeded with remain if he had tapped into the eu socialist scene , parties,associations and eu socialist agendas, things could have been a lot closer then.Older generation may be more aware of the realities of international politics and hegemonic scheming,panama type schemes, the eu v russia was never discused at all, many not understanding sanctions scene but most older generation being phobic about russia, it is easier to retreat within one’s borders.
Btw…new Crosstalk today on post brexit and what happens to eu now…..
Until people understand just one small phrase in the Lisbon Treaty, but a very potent one, in fact, the 3 most important words, and which is really all they have to know, to simply things, is ‘ever closer union’.
Everything against this is doomed to fail. This is the main objective, just like we have the USA, the EU idealogues wanted their USE. And unlike the USA, which naturally grew into what it is, the EU had the problem of taking something and forcing it artificially to assume something which is very unnatural to its componoent parts.
To everyone who thinks the Brexit Yes vote was not about immigration: Of course it was, and it was not even the Southern and Eastern Europeans people were most concerned about. It was the millions of third worlders let in by Merkel. Do-good Germany is going to give residency rights and even citizenship to these people within a few years, whereupon they will be able to travel to and settle in Britain under EU rules. By way of family reunification, they will also be able to import spouses (arranged marriage anyone?) and relatives, which will multiply their numbers on short order. And all of that will happen regardless of whether the EU will secure its outer borders or not. So, Merkel has already opted decisively for dissolving her own, first-world people and replacing it by another, third-world one. If Britain does not want to be overwhelmed by the secondary wave of immigration that will cause, Brexit is the only way to avoid it.
To argue like this means to imply that the EU was somehow forced to call for the referendum. That is not true.
It was this poor chap Cameron. Why on earth did he do it, I can’t imagine.
It’s him and his peers who are now lacking the courage to go forward.
It’s really quite simple: these people make mistakes, they are notinfallible.
the promise of this referendum was the main platform on which cameron won his re- election. i.e. he was cornerd into it.
More importantly I think they needed to manufacture consent for the next stages of integration as unveiled the day after: the full incorporation in the euro and the next stage of military Union. Fail ! :-)
WizOz on June 29, 2016 · at 5:22 am UTC said “and in 1975 organized the first Referendum whether to remain in the EEU. Does anyone rember the results? Yes: 67.2%, No: 32.8%! Of course, the vote was declared a “historic decision”!”
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The Brits could not have voted whether to remain in the European Union in 1975 because the European Union did not exist then. It was created in 1993 after the Maastricht Treaty.
In the 70s there were various European “communities” and common markets. There was no EU.
I assumed that everyone knows that EEU means European Economic Community (what was called the Common Market). UK signed the Maastricht Treaty. UK expressed misgivings over adding areas which they considered to be too sensitive to be managed by the supra-national mechanisms of the European Economic Community. In accordance with British constitutional convention, specifically that of parliamentary sovereignty, ratification in the UK was not subject to approval by referendum.
Things already are exceedingly ugly. The global harassment of all Russian diplomats will soon reach the point they are simply assassinated publicly.
Putin may soon begin losing close friends. His daughter and grandchildren will already be in crosshairs.
The decline of the EU has been spectacular. An observation:
Any person, group or institution in favor of Muslim immigration loses standing and legitimacy faster than it solves Muslim immigration problems.
As far as the northern and welsh working class are concerned their vote was the revolt of the excluded. They hate London and Southerners with good reason. and the recent suggestions that London should have exceptional EU treatment will add grist to the mill.Some are racist some are not but they have had their skills and culture destroyed. Government training centres were sold off under thatcher and what apprenticeships there are are mickey mouse.. Enter the polish plumber, taking what was theirs even northerners are not that tolerant..
I agree with The Saker the uppity proles will be taught a lesson.
BTW It is simply a fallasy that the young were outvoted by the old. majority of them did not vote. Likewise the explanation that the proles are brainwashed brit imperialists as some lefties prefer to imagine.
Dear Saker,
Also through the lens of some of your articles like „…Yalta 2“ for example, but other resources too, I draw different conclusions about the „Brexit-Game“.
Cameron as the head of the government initiated the referendum. If Cameron is perceived as a “CEO of the British Elite”, then this is a project by the Elite for the Elite. I claim that the Elite don’t gamble. They are “chicken”, so they don’t take risks. If they initiate this referendum, then with the backup that they can control the outcome. A gap of 2-3% between “Yes & No” is very easily manipulated.
I claim the Elite had get what they wanted: Brexit! That Soros and other vultures made the right bet, is one good proof.
So the question remains: why would the British Elite want a Brexit?
Well, you Saker gave the perfect answer: Because of Russia’s new “military capabilities”. Russia showed the Empire in Syria & Ukraine, what her new toys are (EW especially). The Empire watched and analysed. Result: No chance against Russia for now in a conventional war. Nuclear? Nahh, not so good the Empire, if they are affected too. Life is too nice for an Elitist. So: what’s next?
And now Kerry enters the scene with a suitcase landing in Moscow. A deal was done: new spheres of influence were negotiated. Europe was divided according to new “borders”.
But why Brexit?
Because the British Elite don’t give a shit about USA. Their role as a American agent in a American project called EU is over. The British will establish the City of London as a new financial world centre for the Yuan. They go with the winners not with the losers.
Rothschild made again the right bet.
Rothschild made a deal with China and Russia.
Read Khazin’s analysis of the structure of the western Elite.
Now it’s also clear, why the Rockerfellers’ bitched against the Rothschilds’.
Yours is in the line of Thierry Meyssan´s analysis:
The Brexit reshuffles world geopolitics
http://www.voltairenet.org/article192607.html
And so, all those enjoying all past week the schadenfreude, and continuing this week with the hangover, sooner or later, will realize they are in the same altar of sacrifice as the European people.
Good luck and good night.
Perhaps this was what was intended to mean in the Gotthard Tunnel Inauguration performance…..
Well, it actually is the analysis of Meyssan. Prometeus should have given the link.
From my perspective Meyssan is right on the spot. Brexit was probably concocted for long. The British ‘elites’ (which, like it or not, have more political acumen than the proles and the Americans) are aware of the tectonic shifts in the global environment and started to reposition themselves in respect to Russia and China. It is a time honored policy of England, which made her deserve the nickname “the perfidious Albion”. Not that letting down “Europe” was a bad thing.
A thing to ponder upon is that UK joined the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), becoming one of the Founding members, despite US expressed ‘disappointment’ and diplomatic pressure to try and prevent other key allies, such as Australia, from joining.
After meeting Cameron, Kerry is already saying that ‘there are ways to reverse’ the referendum result and to ‘walk back’ the outcome. In other words, the US Govt is not prepared to respect the people’s will. The problem here is that the British are not just proud people, they are also very courageous, and it is highly likely that any attempt to subvert that outcome may result in very dangerous and violent consequences. I don’t see the ‘Leave’ supporters rolling over and meekly accepting the usual underhand tactics to undermine democracy that the US/UK elite are used to.
Both the Pro and Anti Brexit sides (including much of the so-called alternative media) conceal an important issue behind all their hyperventilating about Brexit: the Brexit vote result is unlikely to be implemented to begin with.
This is why the results of the vote were largely meaningless in terms of actual policy changes let alone Britain leaving the EU. After all, the Brexit vote was a *non-binding* vote from the start.
The primary significance of the Brexit vote is how the hysteria of the result can be used to provide political cover for a pre-existing collapse of the European American financial system, as well as creating general turmoil as the American Empire of Chaos loves to do.
The Brexit vote is like American presidential elections: you choose between different options that give you the same ultimate result!
Despite the Vote, the Odds Are Against Britain Leaving the EU — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/24/despite-the-vote-the-odds-are-against-britain-leaving-the-eu-paul-craig-roberts/
False Prophets Hype Brexit Disaster
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2016/06/false-prophets-hyping-brexit-disaster.html
Brexit Referendum Is Non-Binding
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2016/06/brexit-referendum-is-non-binding.html
Media coverage is already dying down.
Expect some perversion of the Kubler-Ross model of the Stages of Grief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
Denial – The elites will continue to deny the People and live in denial.
Anger – The Remain leaders and compradors will be allowed their temper tantrum upon Leave.
Bargaining – There will be the illusion of bargaining for Brexit which will really be negotiations making Britain a more useful tool against a democratic EU.
Depression – A little economic hardship to soften British resolve, such as it is.
Acceptance – The NWO will try and impose a sense of inevitability and force acceptance of the demise of free democracy and People Power.
The real prize is to prevent a more democratic EU. The U.K., with hits first-past-the-post simple plurality, is designed for limited and inefficient democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_voting_system
The last thing the A-Z want is for the EU to adopt proportional representative democracy across the board. The A-Z would rather break up the EU than tolerate a genuinely democratic EU.
Perhaps through Diem25, or perhaps not, but somehow, democracy must be made to happen. This is where the fight is now. Making the EU more democratic, or closing out the idea entirely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_Europe_Movement_2025
Brexit creates chaos that detracts from the real prize, a genuinely democratic or genuinely totalitarian Europe. Not surprisingly, coverage is starting to die down, as it becomes obvious that the EU’s longstanding problem has always been its democracy deficit.
There are Many Voters in Britain who believe that Britain should show their Centuries long Commitment to Democracy, and Act as quickly as Practical with the Brexit Decision, and these Voters are those who Voted to Remain in the European Union and to Leave the European Union.
They think that unwarranted delays in Respecting the Democratic Will of British Voters would cause Social Problems, and further Divisions in Britain, and that this would be worse for Britain than any Brexit fear mongering scenario made by Liars who do not respect the Will of British Voters, because if the fear mongers were correct, then they would let Britain be the example, but I think Britain will thrive in the long run, but Britain Must Insist on Friendly and Fair Negotiations, because that is how to read this comment, and that Britain should not go too fast or too slow with their Brexit plan, and if they do not have a Brexit plan, then they need to stall until they do that Brexit plan.
There are some People who think that both of the major Political Parties could form a Coalition Government until Brexit has been enacted to completion, because it will neither advantage or disadvantage either major Political Party at the end of the process, and so it will Not be an Election issue at the next Election, because this is a time for more than the usual Unity in Britain.
There does need to be some Political Parties who have differencing opinions, otherwise Britain would be a Dictatorship, and would more than likely be those who wish to remain in the European Union.
There are People who think that those who sign Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty are the ones who will be Reelected, because there is no going back after Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is invoked, and so it will Not be an issue with the Voters at the next Election, not even among the majority of Scottish Voters.
The Opposition along with enough Eurosceptics on the Government side can form a Government, because there really was No reason for the Prime Minister to resign because of a Referendum, except possibly that he is an Establishment Candidate, who is displeased with the Referendum result, and there are some others in his Party who do not like the Referendum result, but Parliament knows that the British People do not run away from their Democracy, and they do not want their Parliament to run away from Britain’s Democracy.
We have heard how the European Union are pushing with undue haste for Britain to sign Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, and this comment should be seen as one to gain time for Britain if Britain needs time, because the British Voters want the Parliament to respect their Vote, but if Britain does not need time, then Voters in Britain want the British Parliament to Respect Democracy, and if some People want to think that some of it is excuse making or even deliberate lies, but these could be Honest Valid Arguments given the situation.
This is regrettably happening at a time that there should be calm by all sides, because of the Immensity and the Complexity of the task to manage the Brexit Vote.
This is because Referendums in Britain are not Law and the new Prime Minister and possibly a new Cabinet may decide that with such an important issue, that Britain needs a Second Referendum.
This is because many People in Britain and in the European Union want Britain to Remain in the European Union.
The Referendum result was very close, and had some European Union Officials offered Britain a little more than what they did, and had they treated Britain with some sensitivity and graciousness in Public at least, then the British Voters would have Voted for Britain to Remain in the European Union.
The Government does not want to resolve the matter with an Election, because they would have to campaign to leave the European Union.
This is because the Government could not campaign to Remain in the European Union, because the other Political Parties would be doing that, and the Voters would say that the Government called a Needless Election, and the Government would lose that Election.
An Election on European Union Membership is further complicated, because Voters did not Vote along Party lines for Brexit.
This means that most of the Sitting Members of Parliament except for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland would lose their Seats to the other major Political Party.
This would mean that the British Parliament would lack much of its former Talent and Experience, and that would not be good for Britain.
After an Election based on European Union Membership, the Government would be made up of Inexperienced Politicians at a time when Britain needed experienced Politicians, and neither the current Government nor UKIP or a Coalition of both them would have a majority in the new Parliament, because of the Regional nature of British Parliamentary Constituencies, and so UKIP would Reluctantly settle for Brexit lite rather than for Britain being a Full Member of the European Union, and an Election based on European Union Membership would have the combination of the British Labour Party, the Scottish Nationalist Party, and Parliamentarians from Northern Ireland as having a significant Majority to the rest of the Political Parties in a new Parliament after an Election based on European Union Membership.
The European Union has made it harder for Britain to hold a Second Referendum, because of some of their statements and actions after that Referendum.
Britain is a European Country, which is committed to Europe, and a Friend of Europe, and the British Government hopes that Europe understands that it is extremely difficult for any British Government to simply ignore this Referendum on European Union Membership, and even more difficult for any British Government to propose a Second Referendum if the European Union continues with some of their statements and actions, because it could easily mean another win for the leave campaign, but with a larger majority than the first Referendum, and that would be difficult to deal with in the aftermath of that.
There are People who think that Britain has Every Right and even an Obligation to be at European Union meetings or to be Represented at European Union meetings by someone Appointed by the Prime Minister, for as long as Britain is a Member of the European Union, because we Know that Britain will soon have a new Prime Minister, and the new Prime Minister may refer these matters to the European Union Court of Justice for clarification, and even if that Court may be pressured to do the bidding of France and Germany, there is the Court of Public Opinion among Citizens of the European Union.
There are People who think that until Britain has a new Prime Minister that Britain could be represented at European Union meetings by the Leader of the Scottish Parliament, or the Leader of the Welsh Assembly, or the Leader of the Assembly of Northern Ireland, and that they could take it in turns to do that.
It is Most Important that the Human Rights of the People of the European Union and of Britain are Protected, and this has reference to a new Trade Agreement between Britain and the European Union if Britain was pressured to sign Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.
We Know that there has never been a European Union Country that voted to leave the European Union, and so if Brexit does occur, then the Only Sensible Option is that it should be done Properly so as to Minimize any impact on the European Union and on Britain, and on other Countries, because of Globalization of the Economy, but that hopefully the Economy of the European Union can thrive like the Economy of Britain, because Britain pursues Proper Business Practice.
We Know that the Brexit Referendum caught Britain and the rest of the European Union completely by surprise and totally unprepared for the Brexit Referendum result, and how to handle the aftermath of that, or how to convince British Voters for a Second Referendum, but if unhelpful language is coming from some People in the European Union, then there are People who think that Britain should ignore that as much as possible, because that would mean that Britain has the unenviable task of working on a Trade Deal that will benefit All of the European Union, including Britain, and doing it with resistance from some European Union Countries, even though those European Union Countries are working against their own Interests and the Interests of other European Union Countries, because of displaying an uncooperative attitude.
There is much Regulations and Paperwork associated with European Union Membership, and 2 years for Negotiations is a very tight schedule for Negotiating Teams to come up with new Trade Proposals that are Fair and Mutually Beneficial to All Countries in the European Union, and there are People who think that Perhaps the European Union Court of Justice should consider that during the French and German Elections.
This is why the Lisbon Treaty was written the way it was, and there Could be People who think that the German Chancellor does not mind if the National Front wins the French Election, because that would reassure the Reelection of the German Chancellor.
This has Reference to the Fact that the Leading European Union Countries have said that they do not want any informal talks with Britain over Trade Deals and other matters, even though these matters could take more than 2 years to do Properly, and that is with a Cooperative European Union that could be trusted to Act much more Properly than what they have displayed up to date on some occasions, and the Fact that the European Union says that it does not want informal talks with Britain is either because they are Secretly working with Britain on a Second Referendum, or they Know that these are Complex matters and they are simply too Lazy and too Rich with Bribes by Special Interests to work for the Benefit of European Union Citizens.
The French People Remember that Britain Rescued France in 2 World Wars, and so the current French Government needs to be seen to favour Friendly and Fair Negotiations for Britain without any undue haste, because undue haste will make mistakes for Britain and the European Union, and to Honour the Agreed to Provisions of the Lisbon Treaty Legal Contract, because the National Front will Remind the French Voters of this at the next French Elections, because French Voters do not like a French Government to Dishonour France, and other European Union Countries need to understand that Britain is a European Country, even after the Referendum.
There are People who think that Britain needs to study the Mountains of Paperwork and Regulations and Legislation of the European Union, and not sign Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty until that time, and ask the European Union who seems to have lost their way with Regards to Proper Economic Policies, because they say that they do not want any informal talks over these Complex and Vital matters, but they have Good Pay Packets and so they are Callously Indifferent to the Needs of their Citizens who need Employment and Good Economic Management.
Britain will have to manage the Propaganda and the Lies and the Divisive Dirty Tricks of those who want to reverse Brexit using a Softer type of Colour Revolution but the British who are the Experts at doing this to other Countries should know how to manage that.
There are People who think that the European Union should act Properly in this circumstance, because this will Stabilize World Markets, which is important to the European Union.
This author is clearly completely unaware of political reality in Britain today.
There never has been and there never will be a fair election in the UK thus this result is a reflection of Establishment thinking…they want a change for the headquarters of the Rothschild-House of Windsor facade.
The racial attacks will almost certainly
have been false flags just like the Charlie
Hebdo affair and the Brussels attack to justify a crack down on all extremists or others who might question the Establishment’s new direction.
This is actually the precursor to civil war, and it will be the third and most bloody civil war by the English peasantry…the Wars of the Roses and the Puritan’s parliamentary rejection of the monarchy resulting in regicide: the execution of King Charles.
This civil war will result in the eradication of the entire Establishment, their agents and lackies at the cost of several million English and Welsh subjects. The Scots will go their own way and good riddance to bad rubbish too.
The northern Irish protestants will have to decide who they are loyal to! All their loyalty has been squandered on the accommodation of the murderous Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguiness by the Establishment thus the protestants will almost certainly side with the English people.
If Britain leaves the EU promptly at the hand of a coalition government or worse, after the delaying tactic of a general election all might go well. If, however, we are still part of the EU in a year’s time trouble will manifest itself on the streets.
Should the Establishment crack down on the demonstrators…which is 99.9% certain they will…then it will be the bloodiest civil war you will ever have witnessed.
The English and Welsh know this is their last chance. Should the Establishment deny them this (they manipulated the referendum result to give the people hope), then it will be war on the streets with no quarter either way.
The IRA, IS and the Jewish extermination of the German population in 1944-1945 via allied fire bombing on German cities that murdered 15 million women, children and old people and caused a typhus epidemic across millions more Europeans, will be as nothing compared to what the English will do to the Establishment.
Do you think the English built the world’s most powerful Empire for Emperor Rothschild by being nice people?
Just like with Mr. John Pilger contribution to the Brexit discussion, now we have Mr. Dmitry Orlov throwing his hat on the ring. And I can’t fault a word on his article :-)
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Firing the Elites
“[..] But beyond such financial superficialities, what is really happening is that class warfare is back with a vengeance, so far in the UK with the Brexit referendum, but likely to spread”
[Please folks, do read the entire article here:] http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44994.htm
[Or you can visit his main blog here:] http://www.cluborlov.com/
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^ And Dmitry ain’t wrong about that…
MAPPED: Czexit, Pexit, Frexit – EU referendum CONTAGION sweeps Europe amid political quake
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/682403/EU-Referendum-Europe-Brexit-euroscepticism
‘Britain got the first shot in’: French far-right leader Marine Le Pen says ‘politicians are afraid’ amid calls for THIRTY FOUR separate EU referendums across Europe
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3664626/Backlash-against-EU-spreads-political-parties-continent-call-34-separate-referendums.html
-TL2Q
You called this one correctly! On 6/28 Trump gave a speech on his economic plans in which he vowed to renegotiatie — or withdraw from — NAFTA. On 6/29 the leaders of US, Canada and Mexico (The Three Amigos) met and vowed to double-down on trade! Not one word about the massive and destructive trade deficits in the US.
Trump Speech of June 28 (Youtube)
North America leaders mount strong defense of trade despite threats
Next up? North American Union. Perhaps.
Back when a bunch of back-woods patriots told the British King to go turk himself, they coined a phrase that said that no government was legit without ‘the consent of the governed.’
That’s still a grand idea, even if the Brits are 200 years late in getting the concept, and the Americans have forgotten all about it.
“…the Americans have forgotten all about it.” –unfortunately, yes they have; they also forgot to value freedom over comfort, and prefer not to care about who rules them or how, as long as they have food, heat, and Netflix. The result is that the power hungry fill the vacuum left by the lazy patriots who “like” patriotic sentiments on Facebook, and can’t lift a finger to influence the vote or stick their necks out for what is right–if they even know what IS right. I am guilty of this myself, and I think I care more than many I know. Others have given up because they believe they can’t make a difference. The ones who try have mostly been led to believe that the president is all powerful and he or she will turn th e country around single handedly, or else is the scapegoat, and the entire fault of the nation rests on him and the party whow elected him. We need to wake up and take responsibility for running our own country, accept the consequences and get out of denial and set to putting things right no matter what it takes–our forefathers loved their children enough to do it for us, we should do the same for our children.
posted below are the contents of an email in response to one that I sent with a link to this article to a friend of over 20 years, a staunch man of the left, & a resident & native of england, posted with permission:
> Hi
> Very interesting. I agree that we are entering dangerous times and indeed one of the things that the elites may have to do, in order to restore a degree of order and apparent unity, is drum up an atrocity or conflict. I hope not, but fear so.
> That said, I was an ardent Remain-er. Not because I uncritically support the EU, or indeed have ever supported the US-EU axis. But I anticipated that the vote to Leave would create a licence for racist attacks and xenophobia, which have already started to happen. It is also in effect a coup within the ruling Conservative party, that removes most effective barriers to neoliberalism-at-all-costs: human rights, labour and environmental legislation etc. Under the smokescreen of a new economic crisis, they can then get on with privatising the remaining public services, cutting wages and social benefits etc etc.
> The EU, like all states, serves in the interests of the ruling elites, but like most advanced states it does so by occasionally serving as a buffer between the interests of capital and those of labour. In the UK, that buffer is now very thin indeed, and although there is an element of popular protest in the Brexit vote, I think that at least for the short to medium term the interests of capital will be absolutely triumphant in this country.
> However, in order to bring people along with them, the new leadership will almost certainly need to fabricate a common enemy. Appeals to unity are not getting them anywhere. That is where things could get very dangerous indeed.
> The EU also of course serves as a buffer between the interests of the 28 nations, so that is another crisis, and then between those nations and the rest of the world. Things are very volatile.
I am a Brexiteer, living in the NE of the UK and would agree overall with your post. However, regardless of whatever our feudal lords and masters want to do, there was only one comment that truly illuminated the underlying reason the peasants revolted. “If you have money, you voted to Remain. If you don’t have money, you voted Leave.”
When you’re at the bottom of the pile, there is no other way but up. All the economic fearmomgering fell on deaf ears. All the “look what the EU has done for us”, the same. Yes, we have some ‘great’ new public buildings, stadia etc. But most of the people who voted Leave can’t afford to visit them.
Even the racist, little Englander and xenophobic taunts made no difference at all. Not even now after the event when those who ‘lost’ are trying to find more names to call us. We know who we are and we don’t need Them to tell us who we are. This, in effect, is an identity crisis. Not for us, but for Them. We don’t take kindly to others telling us who we are, what we should think or feel, let alone what we can say or do.
There is only one thing you can always rely on. When our backs are against the wall we come out fighting. They forget history at their peril. This nation is one of the oldest in time. Never been invaded in 1,000 years. My own family can be traced back 1,500 years through one of the ancient clans of Scotland. We’ve repelled all known enemies for millennia and will do it again…..just watch and learn!
The little Englander preferred to do the invasions! To spread democracy to the third world slothful low lifers!
This comment is opinions on Brexit, and on certain principles and tactics for Brexit, and it needs to be understood that other People know much more on this matter, than what I know on this matter.
It is my opinion on how Brexit might be done for the Benefit of current European Union Countries.
Brexit should not occur too fast or too slow, and it should take sufficient time, and the first Intention and Method as far as Britain is concerned is to be Civil and to behave like Europeans should, and to achieve this Trade Deal as soon as practical.
Britain should attend all of the European Union meetings until Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is invoked by Britain.
Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty should be invoked no later than some time during 2018, and this is because of the next British Election, even if real Trade Deal posing as an Informal Trade Deal has not been signed, and further explanation of that is given in this comment.
Britain should Vote on, Comment on, or Veto mainly those matters that affect a Proper Brexit, in the Correct context that a Proper Brexit is good for All European Union Countries and for Britain.
If any of the Rights that Britain has as a European Union Member are disrespected, then Britain should take the matter to the European Union Court of Justice.
The Fact that no Country has ever Voted to leave the European Union, means that Brexit should proceed as slow as it needs to, and with as many precautions as needed, which would need good cooperation from the European Union, but the Leading Countries of the European Union are the Leading Countries of the European Union.
This means that there should be Informal Negotiations that will be Real Negotiations, and the Agreement of what is not Legal according to the Lisbon Treaty, but only Informal Negotiations, but what are in Reality Real Negotiations, and should become Legal a few days after Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is invoked by Britain.
We Know that Trade Deals can take years to Negotiate, even when there is good will and no Concealed Agenda or Maliciousness, and while Germany has Exploited the Eurozone and has the Money to Play Games, the rest of the Eurozone cannot afford that.
This is why the European Union Court of Justice should be asked Immediately to Pronounce the Unwillingness to have Informal Trade Negotiations in these circumstances where 2 years is not enough time to Negotiate is a Crime against Humanity, and Germany does Threaten and has the Money to Bribe the Countries not to bring this matter to the European Union Court of Justice.
These Informal Trade Deal Negotiations which are in Reality Real Trade Deals should be signed a few days after Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is invoked by Britain, and the European Union should sign up to their commitment to that.
Britain should work on having Trade Deals with the European Union that are as much as practical the Best not only for Britain, but Best for All European Union Countries.
If those Experts are Unbiased and Honest and they are a combination of British Experts and Experts from other European Union Countries, who will Verify that these Trade Deals are Fair and Good for All European Union Countries, then Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty can be invoked much quicker, and that would be better for All European Union Countries.
There could be some European Union Countries who would Misuse the 2 year period for Negotiations as a Retribution for wanting to leave the European Union, and the German led European Union would waste time and harm the Economy of Britain and smaller European Union Countries during that time, and not Negotiate a Friendly and Fair Trade Deal in order to Discourage others in the European Union from pursuing Sensible Policies of not being Exploited by Unaccountable People, and Britain should be prepared to wait until after the French and German Elections, and no later than 2018 before invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, in order for Britain to Restructure and Adjust its Economy, and for the European Union to have time to Restructure and Adjust their Economies, and because of the next British Election.
This is why Britain should remain in the European Union while it is Restructuring its Economy, because of Brexit, and Britain must be prepared to stay in the European Union to bring Court Cases to the European Union Court of Justice, and that the European Union may only give Britain Justice, because they are begging Britain to leave the European Union.
This will be reported on in the Media so there will be no tricks, because another principle is that the European Union should not be trusted completely in the context that their competence has been shown to be lacking at times.
This is with regards to any promises of extending the 2 year Negotiation period allowed for under the Lisbon Treaty, because who knows who will be in power in any of the European Union Countries at that time.
A Proper and Fair Brexit is Justice for All European Union Countries, and so those Countries that do not want Informal Negotiations are Acting Unjustly toward other European Union Countries and this Injustice should be put to the European Union Court of Justice before and during the German and French Elections of 2017, and this should not be a secret or something to apologize for, but it could be used to help influence the Negotiations toward being Fair and speedier Negotiations, and Britain should work on that Trade Deal, and Ignore those who say that Britain should invoked Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, because Britain will do that when Britain thinks that it is Responsible for both Britain and the European Union, and if the European Union wants Britain to leave the European Union, then they should not waste time with Informal Talks and Informally Negotiating a Mutually Beneficial Fair Trade Deal with Britain.
There are People who think that Britain should Only have long time committed European Union Sceptics as their Leaders and as their Negotiating Teams, and those associated with the Brexit Arrangement.
There are People who think that the European Union should act Properly in this circumstance, because this will Stabilize World Markets, which is important to the European Union.
“Things are going to get ugly now.”
Yes Saker, they probably are.
We`re ready for it. We know what`s at stake. We`re not afraid.
Yes, things will grow increasingly ugly. The only way to stop it its to talk about it endlessly. Never shut up.
This WW111 was begun right after WW1. The US made sure that the US goal of WW11, the takeover of Russia, after supporting the Nazi juggernaut 150%, was lost because Russia won not lost, WW11 could never be allowed to end.It is being US fought today.
Oliver Stone touched on the irrationality of the Clintons and the US female UN representatives like Susan Rice, etc, glorifying the short, decidedly criminal Harry Truman. Olive states it as was 100% true “had the Roosevelt Presidency had lasted 4 to 6 more weeks” the world and the US would not have become what they are today. Never! Obama’s threat to Putin that in order to survive, Putin must press the nuclear button first….in order to survive the USA NATO erasure .. is just more proof the US has lost already.
One of the key countries the globe has lost is the tiny nation of free black men as Mrs Willian Clinton made sure Haiti was destroyed by the manually managed earthquake and the UN introduced Cholera epidemic.. Some of the points that must be made again and again.
@This WW111 was begun right after WW1
Actually, it started well before WWI. Its objective was the same, the takeover of Russia. It started with the Northern Crusades, the Hungar-Polish aggressions, Napoleon, Crimean War, Revolutions. All masked as heroic defense of “Western values” against the barbaric “East”.
Mrs William Clinton as Obama’s Secretary of state was given the task of delivering to the US Pentagon the island nation of Haiti, denuded of it’s population (the Cholera epidemic still blooms) in order for the US to watch all the developments toward freedom from the US over all South America. To stop them before they begin. With brutal efficiency.
I think that you have everything arse about. Your too busy patting the back of the collective proletariat over their supposed great win to see the big picture.
The Brexit vote was exactly what the political establishment in Britain wanted, otherwise it would not have been the referendum “result”. In our western democratic system there are no elections or referendums by “the people” because everything is rigged, gold, silver, stocks, currencies, LIBOR, elections, referendums, EVERYTHING. Any result produced is the exact result that the controllers want to have.
Germany announced over 12months ago that it was upgrading the financial sector in Frankfurt to rival the square mile in London. It was going to challenge British strangle hold on European finance, enrich Germany, free the common man yada yada yada. Now isn’t it just fortunate that they did that just in time for the British financial sector to disappear with the Brexit. Also remember that Britain NEVER ADOPTED THE EURO. Which is what makes it possible for them to perform an orderly and relatively painless exit stage left from the EU.
I think that the British elite, who still control most of the world including the US, can see that the EU Titanic is nearing the iceberg, that was created when the EU was set up, as planned and they are trying to push their life boat as far away as possible so they don’t get sucked down the financial plughole with them. In fact they will be there right across the channel with a pocket full of good old British pounds to pick clean the financial bones of the EU once it implodes.
All the gnashing of teeth, ministers resigning and talk of another vote is just smoke and mirrors
to give the plebs the feeling that they have won something. All bulldust piled on bulldust, games within games.
If the “elites” don’t stop Brexit, with all the hurdles it has to go through in the twisted British parliamentary system (they really don’t have a “Constitution”), it’s because they really want it. Murdoch media both pushed and pulled Brexit from the right and the left, and old Rupert met with Trump who embodies the same “Jacquerie” in the United States. Decoupling from the EU will allow anglo-banksters to savage minimum wage and other social guarantees that Brits never knew before joining Europe. All those grumbling hobbits from the shires who voted to “take England back” will have to return to Celtic sorcery if they expect to survive the ensuing carnage once the Orcs of savage austerity are unleashed upon the welfare state, and the “elites” now parading Xi through London in Her Majesty’s gilded carriage team up with China to revive the better times of Empire, while their American junior partners whip up a genocidal frenzy most everywhere else. Of course, I could be wrong. Can Russia and friends hold out against all this? Should Putin trust China? Boundaries keep shifting and it’s getting harder and harder to see who makes sense.
Fog of war.
I liked your views as much as I enjoyed the original ‘Gattopardo’ (both novel and film).
I don’t think that you are wrong. I share the opinion that the “Brexit” was not so much a victory of ‘democracy’ as one of social engineering (and Celtic sorcery – nice one!). The Brexit was brewed by the City of London witches with their chief Her Gracious Majesty for a long time, it just needed the foam of ‘democracy’ to push it down the gaping throats of the ‘grumbling hobbits from the shires’. They knew they would fall for the “take England back” meme and brandished the bugbear of immigration. Dracula is coming! Romanians were especially targeted (fortuitously helped by the real Gypsy invasion which infested the whole of Europe, where they have been warmly received as ‘refugees’ fleeing the discrimination by the ‘xenophobic’, ‘racist’ (and ‘anti-semitic’) ethnic Dracula’s Daco-Romanians). The name Rom, Romany, Rommany under which they designate themselves has nothing to do with Romanians, as the Brits know very well. Rom, Romani, Romanichal have been in use in English since the 19th century as an alternative for Gypsy. The conflation of the names of Gypsies with Romanians (who actually were always known as Rumanians or Valahi) was deliberate. Farage was open, ‘we prefer Indians over Romanians’ (no matter that the Gypsies are Indians). Ah, but Indians can be somehow declared ‘White Indo-Europeans’ (Celts, perhaps?). They are crazy about cricket, after all.
You would notice that the old bugbear Doctor Fu-Manchu, the “Sinister Genius of the ‘Yellow Peril’” fell into oblivion. He now hobnobs with royalty and is paraded in HM’s gilded carriage through London. Business is business, init? They might even apologize for the Opium Wars (if they didn’t already)
I don’t think that Russia has anything to fear from that. It is rather that the captains of HMS Britain took due notice that the winds now blow from the Middle Kingdom through the Empire of the Steppes and changed course. They are expert navigators and know how to sail against the wind, they must zig-zag.
Europeans are not unhappy to see them go. Memories of the devastation of the European heritage by RAF are still lingering.
The analysis is so very true. “Let no crisis got to waste” is the A-Z motto.
There are some People who are saying that the Vote by Britain to leave the European Union was because of racism.
People should ask themselves that if a Person had to decide between a Close Relative who is of their identical race and himself of receiving a job, then who would that Person chose to gain employment, and we can see that racism could not have anything to do with that decision, regardless of what Race we are discussing.
The answer to that question could be that that Person wants that employment, even though their Close relative would have to remain Unemployed, or that Person may decide to remain Unemployed while their Close Relative gained Employment.
Philosophers can discuss the motivations of those Individuals in either situation.
We Know that it Cannot be racism, and so it is something else, and it is Human Nature and Greed or it is Human Kindness and Generosity.
The Facts are that a Class struggle is among other matters with regards to Brexit, but some People want other People to think that it is because of racism, because they want to Deceive People, or they themselves have been Deceived.
Another Concern that according to a majority of British People which is Legitimate, is that of National Sovereignty and of the Self Determination of Nations, which Britain Defended in 2 World Wars, and that the British People should make their Laws through their Democratically Elected Representatives.
The British count themselves as Europeans, because Britain is a European Country, and there are many British People who think that it is not necessary for Britain to be a Member of the European Union, in order for them to be European.
It was this precise awareness of being European that was the Reason that the British People Voted for Brexit.
This is because these British People think that the European Union does Not represent the vision of Europe that they have.
This made Britain a Civilized Country, and the list is long, but it began with the Vast Writings of the Ancient Greek Philosophers, Scientists, and Artists, along with Philosophers, Scientists, and Artists of other European Countries, or more recent times.
The majority of British People do not accept that the only way to be European is to be in the European Union, and the European Union should accept the same thing.
This is because in a Democracy, there can Never 100 % agreement on anything, even among People of the same Race and of the same Family.
We have seen how the European Union does not allow there to be any disagreement within the European Union, and where they Bully and Impose their Unjust Decrees on others, and use the Euphemism that there must be Unity or Solidarity within the European Union.
The British People remember impact on Europe of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union, and we have seen how this Injustice has continued in the Eurozone, with how the larger Eurozone Countries acted toward the smaller Eurozone Countries of Cypress and Greece, and the following image describes this http://365thingsaustin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/nemo-1.jpg , and Many People of Scotland and the Northern Ireland want to use the British Pound rather than the Euro.
The Improper way the Leading Eurozone Countries acted toward Cypress and Greece contributed to lower Economic Activity in Europe, making Many Europeans Unemployed and Poor.
This is why Brexit needs to be handled Properly so that it minimizes any affect the Economies of Britain and the European Union, along with Installing Unelected Prime Ministers of Eurozone Countries.
We know that Britain has recently held a Referendum on their Membership of the European Union.
There are People who want another Referendum, and even some People who claim that they did not understand how they Voted and that they want another Referendum.
If they truly did not understand the Referendum question of Remain in the European Union or Leave the European Union after years of debate, then there they should self impose Not Voting on another Brexit Referendum, because their inability to have knowledgeable Vote is a danger to themselves and others, but Obviously the Lie, and if there were another Referendum, then People could rightly demand more Referendums, and if they were Agreed to Denied, then it would be a case of keep Voting until Britain Votes as the European Union Dictators Demand.
Britain is not a Nationalist Country as it is comprised of 4 Countries, and so Britain did not Vote to leave the European Union for nationalistic reasons, but because the European Union is an Undemocratic Institution, and the British People have a long History of Democracy.
Those who are overly ready to accuse others of being racist, and without think on the matter properly are Ignorant, and they are Slanderers, but I do not think that they are Malicious Slanderers, because they are Ignorant of certain Facts.
This means that there could be a Definition to describe what is this is.
It needs to be said that the following definition does not apply to those who have earned their Money Legally and Morally.
This has nothing to do with favouring Regulated Free Enterprise over Socialism, or Socialism over Regulated Free Enterprise, and an Economy needs not too much Socialism, and not too little Socialism, but it should have No Crony Capitalism, and the Rest of the Economy should be Regulation to a minimum, with Regulated Free Enterprise with Free and Fair Competition, and the Public Service should Not be lazy or incompetent, or corrupt, and this is how to have a Good Economy.
We know that it is not racism that lead to Britain Voting to leave the European Union, and I do not think that the term Wealthism or Wealthist is appropriate, but Greedism and Greedist is how to describe it.
There are People who think that the European Union should act Properly with regards to the Brexit Negotiations, because this will Stabilize World Markets, which is important to the European Union.
@There are some People who are saying that the Vote by Britain to leave the European Union was because of racism.
Actually, it was because of manipulation of racism. Immigration was the central issue.
There are many other origin British citizen (e.g. Indian subcontinent origin) who also vote for leave,
because, they worried and few cases its true, due to influx of east-European immigrants they will loose their ground.
Many were anxious on refugee’s quota from EU parliament, and unstoppable crossing of Mediterranean.
And many more, but I guess its no doubt, base of immigrants (or on other words alien people, as most of them are poor) bought British on leave queue.
But, important two point (from my view) I’d like to mention –
1. Fail of main stream media. Due to increase of internet availability and people involve on it, main stream media failed as looser. We’ve also seen it in Trump situation in US, etc.
2. Though not yet time, but how about just thinking that, Brexit is for an example for US people to avoid D. Trump. As,
a. Experts and media warn British people don’t leave, but probably leave will bring their financial collapse.
b. Donald Trump is always a big supporter for UKIP, Brexit, Marine Le Pen. Which means, choose of D. Trump will possibly brings same situation in US.
Well both above assumption, require time, and has chances to total wrong. But the way pound loosing its value, and JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs promising to help Britain – making the iceberg deeper.
I only want to post a better and more stupid version of the Guardian’s rubbish.
Haven’t the time to make a proper mock-up, but it is below.
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Foreign Office Confirms Russian ‘Football Hooligans’ Spetsnaz, Green Men from Crimea
Sources within the Foreign and Commonwealth Office state that most of the Russian ‘football hooligans’ attacking our fun-loving fans were personally dispatched by the Putin regime to do so, a mixture of Special Forces and troops involved without insignia in the illegal annexation of Crimea.
Our sources state that the sole intention was an organised attack on peaceful England supporters …
Etc.
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I don’t much like soccer, but it was nice that the locals in southern France readily joined in with the Russians to oppose the English hooligans.
Hope that work on your thesis is going well.
This article on Off-Guardian takes a similar line…
Has Brexit Triggered an Anti-Democratic ‘Color Revolution’?
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