I have to say that I am rather shocked and even appalled at the level of anger and vitriol expressed in some of the comments posted in response to my attempts to explain why Russia has not intervened so far in the war in waged by the junta against the people of Novorossiia. While at least two posters are clearly getting back at me personally because of things I wrote in the past which enraged them personally (no need to name them – they know I mean them), there are also at least three major groups of posters whom I cannot dismiss as frustrated “petty avengers”
Calling out the crazies
Apparently, one group of true friends of the Novorossian people are much better informed about the plans of the AngloZionist Empire than Putin and as a result of that superior understanding they believe that the best way to defeat the plans of the AngloZionists is to to exactly what they want Russia to do. Then there is this other group who believes that Putin has basically sold out to the New World Order and that this is a huge mistake because the latter has already taken the decision to start a full-scale war against Russia in the near future (some suggest 2015). And then there are those who see Putin as a weakling who just does not have the courage or brains to do the right thing, which would be to engage into a full-scale covert operation to assist the people of Novorossiia. This third group is absolutely sure that, even though the AngloZionists have been accusing Russia of having an ongoing covert interference operation to assist Novorossia, no such plan is being implemented. Why? Because they see no evidence of it. For them the absence of evidence is the same as the evidence of absence. Even in the case of a covert plan.
Has everybody going crazy or is there something else going on here?
US Strategic PSYOPs spring the trap
Even setting aside the full-blown lunatics who would have Russia nuke London, Washington or even “the entire Anglo-Saxon race” (as one drooling idiot wrote to me), what amazes me is the level of hostility rage that literally seeps-out from many, though thankfully not all, of these comments. While some of that rage can be explained by the statistically inevitable presence of idiots in any group, including the readers of this blog, I am beginning to suspect that what is happening here is tiny part of a much bigger campaign to get Russia into finally taking the bait and making the AngloZionist’s dream come true and basically make it possible to put a new “iron curtain” somewhere along the banks of the Dniepr river. In other words, I think that what we are seeing are signs of a “strategic PSYOP” operation which includes the following elements:
1) The support for even the most revolting atrocities in the eastern and southern Ukraine (the latest such atrocity reportedly is execution of wounded soldiers in the hospital of Krasnyi Liman).
2) A massive media PR campaign to demonize Putin as, what else, the “new Hitler”.
3) The use of Central European prostitutes (aka politicians) to warn of a “Russian threat” to the European continent).
4) The mantric repetition of threats to sanction Russia (even though no real sanctions are actually implemented).
5) An uninhibited “in-your-face” official doublethink discourse a la Jen Psaki which does not even pretend to be honest or informed about the Ukraine.
6) The use of so-called Russian “patriots” and other “nationalists” to attack Putin and his policies as “treacherous” and “weak”.
Fake Russian patriots (again)
Here I need to mention something which has received very little attention in the West, but which has been reported in Russia: many, if not most, of the most rabidly nationalistic and even neo-Nazi websites and blogs of the RuNet Russian Internet have been traced to, believe it or not, Canada and Israel. Yup – some *real* Russian patriots (like Maksim Shevchenko) got curious about the level of insanity of some of these websites, in particular the hysterically anti-Jewish ones, and they began systematically tracing their IP addresses. That is when they found out that these sites were mostly run from outside Russia and by folks who had more ties to the US and Israel than to any other group.
Russian Communists as “useful idiots” of the Empire
I myself have noticed that a lot of the anti-Putin PR often comes from either from supporters of the Russian Communist Party or, at least, is based on articles and idea spread by individuals close to the Russian CP. I don’t really have the time to go into an in-depth discussion of who nowadays supports to RCP or why, but I will say that my personal conclusion is that some PR strategists of the RCP seem to have decided that a campaign to accuse Putin of being a coward, an idiot or a sellout to the West will benefit them and their leader Zyuganov. Considering that Putin’s popularity in Russia is already sky-high and still climbing (something in the range of 80% last time I checked) this campaign has little or not traction in Russia. But it has been picked up by the US PSYOP community as a sign that “real patriots” in Russia would “courageously take the AngloZionist bait” instead of acting like Putin who is “waiting on the sidelines while Russians are killed in the Donbass”.
While Russia take the bait?
Maybe. The problem is that for peace it takes two, while war (whether of the hot or cold type) only takes one. Please don’t misunderstand me: I don’t believe for one second that the AngloZionists want a real war with Russia because even if there are some truly rabid politicians who would want that, they cannot wage a war without the support of the top US military commanders who, for all their other faults and sins, are not crazy and who will not allow a full-scale war against Russia or China to happen. That is not to say that US military commanders are shy about provoking Russia (or China), but when confronted with the clear warning of the other side that there is a line not to be crossed (like the one given to the USA by Russia in 08.08.08) they back down each time which, frankly, is not a sign of weakness, but a sign of pragmatism and intelligence. The US officer corps should not be judged by Rambo or Dr. Strangelove movies – I have met many American officers ranging from young Lieutenants to one Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and I have never met Rambo or Dr Strangelove types (in contrast to the CIA which for some reason, seems to attract lunatics and disturbed individuals). This being said, I would not put it past the AngloZionists to play a reckless game of brinkmanship with Russia which would include all possible provocation short of triggering a hot war. Alas, that might be enough.
Putin is in a very tough spot right now. Emotions are really running very high in Russia and a lot of people are sincerely enraged at the constant daily stream of news about horrors and atrocities in Novorossia. For example, while the western media has not mentioned this at all, the number of refugees from the combat zone has been steadily rising, mostly in Crimea and the Rostov-on-the-Don region where over 7’000 refugees have arrived over the past few days. The footage of terrified kids, exhausted women and sobbing elderly people is absolutely revolting and the Russian media cannot not show these people just because it puts the Kremlin in a tough spot.
Also – there is no doubt in my mind at all that Russia is covertly helping the NDF. Of course, there is no proof of that since – by definition – this is a *covert* assistance, but I am quite sure that it is there, if only because of the kind of weapons which the NDF seems to regularly “find” “abandoned” here and there. Or does anybody seriously believe that the NDF has the money and time to go and purchase Igla MANPADS or advanced anti-tank missiles on the world weapons black market? The problem with covert operations is that you only find out about them when they are botched. So as long as the Russian covert support operation is competently run it does *absolutely nothing* to reassure those who are afraid that Russia is just idly standing by. As I said, some see absence of evidence as the evidence of absence, and only a botched covert operation can reassure them. But at what cost for Russia and Novorossia?
It might all boil down to the European public opinion
It might really all boil down to the European public opinion. There are some signs that the more and more people in the EU are becoming aware of the fact that their leaders are supporting a neo-Nazi junta who is waging a full-scale war against its own people. I believe that one part of the current Russian response to the war is to try to trigger some tensions between the USA and its EU vassals which are already here anyway (as seen by Mrs Nuland’s words). After all, while EU politicians have sold out to the AngloZionists, they still don’t like it when pressure against them is mounting on them for agreeing to policies which are so clearly detrimental for Europe. Right now Merkel, Holland & Co. are in lockstep with Obama, but that hardly means that the people of Europe are blind to what this crazy surrender of national interest might cost them. Oh, I don’t expect the Europeans to engage in mass protests like in 1968 just because innocent civilians are being slaughtered on their continent – the European “conscience” is not that tender – but if 10% of all jobs in Germany are threatened or if France has to return 1.6 billion US dollars to Russia and lose roughly 7’000 high-tech jobs, there will be a political price to pay for the EU’s 1%ers. One look at the recent EU elections will convince them that the writing is on the wall.
So if Putin and Lavrov succeed in driving a wedge, even a thin one, between the US and EU a Russian intervention might be avoided. But if these efforts fail and if the butchery in the Donbass continues (the Kiev junta has just cut the water supply to Slaviansk) then a Russian intervention will happen with all the inevitable consequences, fist and foremost for the European continent (Russia and the US will be much less affected).
The Saker
I agree with what you said, Saker, though would point out the real crazies are in Kiev. As long as they continue their attacks on the civilian population (because they got the green light from the West)there will be a mounting pressure on him to act, overtly this time.
The real battle is not there, I should add, but the European populace. Just 30 backbenchers in the UK voting against the invasion of Syria shows how important that battle will be. If Syria had fallen, the world would be in a much worse place, and, Putin would have been too.
Not surprised about Canadian/Israeli sourced ISP’s either. Canada’s Mr. Harper is quite the handmaiden for regime change (plus he hates communists)
Let me put this down:
The best place where Putin can hit is the source of the power of the Anglo-Zionist empire, which is the US$.
And the best way to do this give to the world a viable alternative. The funny thing is, it is already happening.
Oracle 911
Thank you Saker for your posts. I recently came across this: http://www.businessinsider.com/farmers-in-annexed-crimea-are-running-out-of-water-2014-6
I also read this piece from American journalist who has been delivering reliable and clear-eyed pieces for over 30 years. His take on US MSM coverage and the stenography for US officialdom in recent coverage of the current situation in the Ukraine is refreshing in his exposure of Obama’s hypocrisy.
This is one more piece that I found informative, although I disagree with his conclusion on Turkey’s future due to the demographics there: http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20101108_geopolitical_journey_part_2_borderlands
Please select what you think your readers might welcome and comment on it.
Saker your quote:
I believe that one part of the current Russian response to the war is to try to trigger some tensions between the USA and its EU vassals which are already here anyway (as seen by Mrs Nuland’s words)
They have indeed started! Look at the news from both the Czech and Slovak republics, not wanting NATO troops on their land!
And then there is the bait set in France:
The Figaro title reads: Putin is ready to order more from France. Article in French about the Mistral warships ordered by Russia.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2014/06/04/97001-20140604FILWWW00396-mistral-poutine-pret-a-commander-plus-a-la-france.php
Nat
One problem for those who are interested is that they lack inside knowledge and thus have to puzzle things out. It’s made more difficult by the full-spectrum psyops lying and propaganda filling the airwaves and internet. Reliable information is sometimes hard to identify. It’s hard to know what the western countries think they are doing and how much of it is really due to incompetence rather than cunning. The Russians may be faced with the dilemma of not having any good options but may have to settle for what they perceive as the least bad one. Some things don’t lend themselves to tidy solutions but are like diabetes; they have to be managed on an ongoing basis to keep it contained at the lowest possible level.
Is there any chance at all that UN peace keepers from non-algned member countries could be sent into Ukraine or would the US and UK block any such request using their veto powers in the Security Council?
That is a great idea to contain the potential unthinkable violence in the region and save lives too.
Dear Saker,
Thank you so much for making clear the madness that goes on a world away. It’s a blessing to have a place to go and read your perspective, outside of the narrative given by the bought media here in the us. It’s a light in times of darkness. Blessings from Texas, USA
Hi Saker
I’m in Canada and my wife is Russian from Donetsk with family and friends stuck there. I am definitely NOT a Western Psy Op, just a really concerned and angry average Canadian.
We have been communicating with people directly involved with DPR and I can tell you that Akhmetov did a bullshit snow job on everyone including Pushilin (that’s why you seen Tartar’s around him at the beginning) and that’s why Tsarov left Donetsk last month for Slavyansk. My guess is that Pushilin smartened up and they are now asking to directly join Russia. We have a lot of 1st hand info that we can’t discuss for fear of jeopardizing some people over there.
My wife cannot understand why Putin doesn’t just walk in and fix the mess. I understand her and agree with her completely but I also understand the game the West is playing. We have been observing the full spectrum of negative propaganda (I mean bullshit) emanating from MSM and it’s not fooling anyone over here. You would be surprised at the amount of Canadians that I know from different backgrounds (East Indian, English, Hungarian, Serbs and even Croats) that know anything form MSM is pure lies.
That’s my 2 cents and keep up the good work.. we need more sites like yours.
Dearest Saker,
Again, one of your excellent write-ups.
Yes, the rabid war mongers Anglo-Zionists and their dogs are in a bunch on this site pushing for war and putting down Putin with hook and crook.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Is there any possibility that UN Peace Keepers from non-aligned members (non-western countries) could be sent into the Donbass region or would the US and UK block any and all such requests?
I just feel so ashamed of the complete indifference of my country to what’s going on.
When you try to dispel illusion the reactions tend to be in the following spectrum – disbelief, denial, and anger.
The path to understanding and action generally comes through transcending anger, although not all of the angry will make this journey, and those that do will not necessarily make this journey simultaneously.
Anger tends to be a marker that the message has been delivered but not accepted – the intensity of anger usually being a calibration of level of non-acceptance.
It is every difficult to convince anyone of the validity of a cause sufficient to take real action; the wise strategy is normally to catalyse situations where others can convince themselves.
What they convince themselves of is not necessarily what you wished to catalyse, but with some it will be.
Understanding is not an event but a process.
So try not to be dismayed or surprised by the anger since the anger is a marker that the message has been delivered but not accepted.
Anger is also a component of frustration and frustration always carries some degree of incapacitation.
I suggest you should be more dismayed by indifference or pontification which forms the body of your comment.
Some are of the view that exceptionalism exists and they seek to award this chalice to various parties including themselves.
Part of the Nixon doctrine was being angry through which he sought to intimade others. However there is a wall with names in Washington which disproves the hypothesis.
Saker — Spot on post. As an American citizen — I am GRATEFUL to Russia for its measured and consistent foreign policy response to the West’s provocations worldwide. And to Putin for having the stamina to ignore the Anglo-Zionists pushing him towards war. And for being able to separate the ZIO-USG from the rest of us Americans — who may be largely ill-informed — but viscerally refuse to be drawn into MOAR bankers wars.
My 2-cents is that commenters here pushing for Russian military intervention are paid-for shills. They work for CIA-Mossad-DOS and are the same dual-citizen neo-con azz-hats who use goyem from fly-over states as expendable “straw-dogs” for their wars. 18 months ago hardly anyone was calling them out. Today — the internet is FULL of folks who see TRUTH.
I’m not suggesting that non-shills — particularly those with loved-ones in Ukraine — can’t honestly hope or push for Russian intervention. That’s not what I read in these comments. These shills are VERY TRANSPARENT to those of us who hope for the best outcome for ALL people in Ukraine and throughout the world.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Once TRUTH dawns — there is no turning back. One is not fooled by these shills. And TPTB know that the shilling is less and less effective.
BTW — I read that Prince Bandar may not be long for this world. More proof that things are spiraling out of control for NWO. And while they hope to lay the blame in Putin’s lap — smart money is on some female Mosy operative. Sigh. Same as it ever was… AGS
AGS
Saker, I’ll keep this short.
Very good points you raised about Russia acting strategically rather than tactically.
Russia IS supporting the MEN in the Donbass. Only a complete neophyte can’t see that.
Russia is operating on their own schedule and strategic plan and not on the schedule of those hysterical autocrats in the State Dept.
Russia will intervene in a more public way, at a time and place of their own choosing – NOT at a time and place of their enemy’s choosing. Everything is being carried out in a systematic and graduated way.
Time is on Russia’s side not on their adversary’s side (both sides know this).
The influx of refugees and the sudden mass capitulation/defection of Ukrainian border guards are key markers that a change is nearing.
In conflict your never let your enemy control your agenda and schedule by reacting to their provocations, rather you stay hyper-focussed on your plan to unbalance your enemy’s plan.
I don’t know how you are able do this blog and hold down a full time job: I tip my hat to you.
iphone autocorrect sucks, so does trying enter comments on this blog thru the mobile interface, the web interface is more stable
I’m glad you got around to the threat an EU Ukraine would be to Nato countries jobs. If factories in Eastern Ukraine loose Russian military orders, they will fall idle.The idea of the Ukraine selling weapons to Nato countries would be anathema to Great Britain, Sweden, US, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Canada etc.
You have predicted negotiation as soon as the new president takes over June 21. I wonder if Sovoda and Right Sector will allow this. Political asassinations ( there’s already been one ) and violence targeted against Maida demonstrators would be easily blamed on Russia and allow the neo-nazis to quietly take control of the entire administration.
I’m Canadian and we have our share of racist crazies, but we also have a security establishment that is more than willing to take orders from the Us state department and the CIA.
So this site is now a regular for the psyops community. No surprise. Some of them don’t even sound human – just Internet bots.
How many refugees can Russia stand before intervening? 100,000? 500,000?
If Russia does go in, would it really make sense to stop at the Donbass? NATO might bring in troops near Odessa and start the same thing again – or maybe Kharkov. It is hard to negotiate with someone who wants to blow everything up. Look no further than the peace negotiations regarding Syria over the last few years.
You are correct.
Your blog like many others is being used in psyops.
Part of the psyops is to encourage venting, anger and re-inforce notions of inadequacy.
Some of it is to source ideas the psyopers haven’t considered.
The best deliverers of this tend to be just like the redhead.
However this is not necessarily a bad thing since data is produced.
The key lies in analysis of this data and how/when it is acted upon.
Saker, this article is a lot better than previous one. The previous one feels like you are giving excuse, even your reasons are valid.
Do your best not to get pull in (It has very good chance to succeed), but do NOT take anything off table. I believe that is many here asking about.
Thanks for the level thought and writing.I stop reading comments after the first 50 for that reason.
Haralambos said…
Please be careful when reading stratfor they mostly are talking points for the Amerikan govt. their biggest customer.
Can you please tell where I can find video of the refuges you spoke of?
@Lucky mcgriff: Can you please tell where I can find video of the refuges you spoke of?
Youtube, RuTube and this site http://tv-novosti.ru/ all have Russian TV news reports. Most of them have shown that footage already. I strongly suspect that RT will have it too.
HTH, cheers,
The Saker
After good news about Slovakia and the Czech Republic refusing NATO bases on their territory (Thank God! I just hope there is no changing of opinions.), there are also some worrying news about South Stream and Bulgaria:
South Stream project threatens to bring down Bulgarian government
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/elections/south-stream-project-threatens-bring-down-bulgarian-government-302623
The taking control of the border with Russia is starting to happen. This gives the Eastern Ukraine considerably more options.
The war crimes such as the cutting off of water supplies and the obstruction of refugees are valid reasons for intervention. The bringing of relief supplies to blocaded cities would clearly be of a humanitarian nature. This does not have to be done by Russian troops. Russia can do a lot of things to improve the situation without getting mauled.
Mobilising to take charge of the refugees as well as organising European support for those people already inside Russia avoids aiding a “terrorist organisation” which the separatists will surely be labelled as by the US.
There will likely be a lot of NGO scammers trying to profit from the situation. I think this is where the Russian government might want to reach out immediately for reliable and credible partners. Russia has had lots of problems in the past with official corruption, but if they can pull this one off well, it will really change the world’s impression of the new Russia.
Sochi might have had its critics, but it showed Russians have great organising, marketing, promotion talent. As for the reconstruction of Grozny, it is absolutely astounding.
Is it not time to put the western NGO’s to shame? The leverage would be absolutely enormous. Russia has to counter the US and EU in new and unconventional ways.
Dear Anonymous from Canada
thanks for Your comment. I think it would be extremely helpful if You could elaborate a bit:
what was that about the tartars around Pushilin? how comes akhmatov into the picture there?
And could Your wife maybe find out what people on the street think about the internal power politics in the DNR?
I remember pushilin directly after the referendum asking for accession to russia in a press conference (i saw that on german TV). I found this not very helpful and after that was ever a bit suspicious about him. Same goes for the people’s mayor of slavyansk, who doesnt get much airtime anymore. he kind of liked the limelight during the OSCE.
its not my intention to slander these people, whatever their shortcomings may or may not be, they show a lot of courage.
but I think there are rifts and divisions inside novirossiya and its extremely hard for outsiders to read them.
i find it important to learn more here, because it can help to reduce the chaff in “official” anouncements coming from DNR/LNR sources.
an example is the claim about the hospital in krasny liman. the problem here is its not corroborated by anybody only ponomarev who is most likely not an eye witness. not even rusvesna picked it up.
the danger lies here in picking it up uncritically like RT did and being later exposed as a pro-russian troll or somesuch.
btw: one thing i liked so far about both rusvesna and anna news is that they clearly avoid hysteria and hyperbole, rusvesna actually often shows typical russian dry humor (whatever yandex leaves after their mangling). i recommend watching the “heroes” series on rusvesna, a masterfull peace of PR in its totally non-martial tone and demeanor.
so again: anybody having any form of contact to DNR/LNR ask around how they see the current “recolutionary” government.
Dear Saker,
The speech that Obama gave in Poland was obviously intended for home consumption as Robert Parry wrote in “The Only Standards Are Double Standards” at Consortium news (http://consortiumnews.com/2014/06/04/the-only-standards-are-double-standards/): “Obama should and may know better – that Putin’s response was reactive to the West’s provocations, not a case of Russian provocation – but Obama is busy fending off accusations of “weakness” from Republicans and various neocons. So Obama apparently feels he has to talk tough and regurgitate the false narrative, as he did in his June 4 speech in Poland.”
When he became the President many Germans saw him in the light of a new American hero. In the last years he has completely lost this advantage.
The problem with such a patriotic rhetoric is that it does him no good in Europe – when the French do rhetoric they do it more elegantly. Our own deluded President is being ridiculed by 60% of the population because of his neoliberal warlike rhetoric.
Of course “the Europeans won’t engage in mass protests like in 1968 just because innocent civilians are being slaughtered on their continent – the European “conscience” is not that tender – but if 10% of all jobs in Germany are threatened…”. But that is because even in Germany about 1/4 of the population have to cope with really deteriorating daily life – and our savings are melting in the sun.
The MSM Media have to publish their daily Putin bashing – its in the headlines for a short time, then it’s gone. On 15 May, 2014 05:41 “American Kulak” cleared me up about certain trolls in the Media (…. trolls’ whom I suspect could be traced back to Gliesching, Germany, Tampa, Florida or some other EURCOM/CENTCOM ‘information warfare’ US Cyber Command hub, as well as Kiev. American Kulak 05 June, 2014 00:29 – dear American Kulak, thank you very much, sorry the thread ended before I could thank you then.) Since then I have a better understanding about the angry exchanges in the most rabid Newspaper DIE ZEIT. I have the feeling that the trolls get desperate. The best example was yesterday when finally even Kiev had to give in about the lies on the Lugansk air attack. And now they cannot even hide the truth anymore: “Kämpfe in der Ostukraine Hunderttausende Menschen ohne Wasser FAZ, June 5.“
And by the way, the interview Putin gave to the French media was splendid – I think it is quite clear who is winning the European public opinion.
Greetings
Angelika
Dear Saker,
may God bless you for your great work for information and world peace !
I feel that many of the “enraged people” also just vent their anger and frustration about their personal lives (and their failures and catastrophes!) and want Russia to do what they are unable to do within their own lifes – I am just now reading Ernest Becker – The Denial of Death – What a great eye-opener taht work is ! Can encourage everyone just to look him up on google and read some of the quote-pages – he was on to something!!!
Here is an excerpt from Peace-journalist Bob Koehler that goes exactly along the same lines as our much estimated SAKERS todays great article – please excuse my long post:
“Looking at this from a larger perspective still, it’s clear that what the public has no right to is any window at all on the reality of the game called geopolitics. The players in this game must not be subjected to public scrutiny, even after the fact, when they make decisions about matters of enormous global import, such as nuclear weapons proliferation. This is where, for me, things get really scary.
War is a game. The arms race is a game. Those who play it need both skill and license, with the role of the public to be nothing more than acquiescent spectators — or rather, “spectators,” allowed access only to the sanitized, PR version of the game. No matter that it’s our lives and our future that are ultimately at stake. The premise here is that the designated experts will take care of everything, and that their shenanigans will bring peace.
But peace is not a game. It can only be created slowly, deliberately and openly, in an atmosphere of honesty and integrity. “I have no secret plan for peace,” said George McGovern when he was the Democratic presidential nominee in 1972. “I have a public plan. And as one whose heart has ached for the past ten years over the agony of Vietnam, I will halt a senseless bombing of Indochina on Inaugural Day.”
But this is not the sort of leadership we’ve bequeathed ourselves. We’re stuck in a geopolitics of lethal one-upmanship, played out in secrecy, often with reckless lack of concern for long-term consequences. Occasionally a participant quits the game in disgust and leaks some of its reality to the media. This is called criminal wrongdoing.
Robert Koehler is an award-winning, Chicago-based journalist and nationally syndicated writer. His book, Courage Grows Strong at the Wound (Xenos Press), is still available. Contact him at koehlercw@gmail.com or visit his website at commonwonders.com.
Highly recommend to read the whole article at his website – worth your while !!!
Best regards to you all – Thomas
Ukraine terminating military deliveries to Russia:
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/734908
Just another failed provocation at the outset, like cutting off water to Crimea, or randomly shooting civilians.
As long as NR Army can hold off Ukrainian National Guard, no “need” for overt intervention by Russia. Russia is better served by continuing its present course of obtaining Mistral ships, public protests in international forums, keeping battles at arms length, and receiving refugees.
And in a deeper sense, what is the real loss here of not acting now? If Russia gains population by refugees resettling, hardly a bad thing for Russia (certainly bad for Donbass and Ukraine, but that is another matter). If Russia survives provocations and becomes more self-sufficient, again hardly a bad thing. Ukraine being what it is culturally, linguistically, geographically, and historically, it will always be available for absorbtion by Russia if that was desired. There is no crticicality to doing so now. NATO (i.e. US) is never going to be able to logistically commit to permanent occupation of Ukraine which eluded Poland and Germany, and Ukraine is not going to be able to afford a real Army and Navy. Ukraine is always going to be surrounded and easy takings for a quick pincer movement to Kiev any time it is desired.
Regarding supply of arms and money to NR Army, I would not at all discount the probability of Rinat Akmehtov being behind it. He has the ability through his own fortune, the port at Mariupol, private army, and own logisitics network to do so. There is clearly no attack by NR Armed forces on any of his companies, and it was earlier stated by DNR officials he was bankrolling 2/3rds of them before backtracking by both sides. Akhmetov supplying these things is far more plausible deniability for Putin than sending truckloads over the border. A fake public split such as has been ongoing for about 1 month now between DNR and Akhmetov is all the better for this. Reality is Akhmetov is taking care of Mariupol, leaving limited NR armed forces able to focus on Slovyansk-Donetsk-Lugansk corridor/perimeter.
@ Saker
1) Did Putin encourage the folks in Novorossia to rebel against Kiev and stand their ground or did he not?
2) Did Putin say that Russia will intervene if civilians get hurt or did he not?
3) Did Medvedev and Miller say that Ukraine gotta pay a higher price for gas and pay it in advance or did they not?
4) Did Putin accept the election of Poroshenko or did he not?
5) Did Gazprom enforce its threats or did it not?
6) Is Gazprom negotiating a lower price with Ukraine right now, or is it not?
7) Did Strelkov lately complain about the lack of Russian support or did he not?
Can you just answer these few questions?
And then think about this Russian proverb:
Есть желание, тысяча возможностей.
Нет желания, тысяча причин…
Everything is going today as it went in Kiev in 1918, and it is well described in Bulgakov’s White Guard: heroic and proud Russian patriots stand their ground, are betrayed and hunted down.
History repeats itself, in 1918 it happened in Kiev, in 1993 it happened in Moscow, today it happens in Donbass.
The drang nach osten continues unabated, while Kursk submarines keep sinking and Abramovichs keep buying bigger yachts.
And a Russian woman with legs torn apart by a Ukrainian clusterbomb asks for a telephone to call her loved ones for the last time…
Vot-tak to druzhok …
Many European countries are bogged down in multiple and seemingly very challenging difficulties, be it youth unemployment, growth rates, financial quicksand, social fragmentation and demoralization, loss of actual democratic power.
Overarching this is NATO’s (US and CIA dominated) transformation into an overt aggressive war making organization. There is also growing awareness of Gladio as generations-long CIA/US depraved destabilization vehicle. The continuing military occupation of Germany and the large number of European US military bases becomes a potential festering sore point.
When Germany and Austria go cap in hand and wonder about their distant gold, kept in ‘safe’ storage by the US, they are in effect told “F U”.
So the post world war 2 ‘vassal to the US Empire’ status, and the EU project, and NATO as transmuted into a War monger, will be increasingly seen as part of the problem to Europeans, both in terms of causing problems, and in terms of preventing actual solutions.
Wither the hearts and minds of Europeans? is a critical part of the global struggle against the totalitarian impulse of the Empire.
The implications for the economies of European countries of policies pertaining to Ukraine and Russia and the BRICS will come into focus and reassert themselves as vital considerations.
Beyond Europe, honest truthful description of events makes general progress globally, despite all the efforts of the formal global bs and censorship system of the Empire. This attempt to set up a system of totalitarian, oligarchical global governance –a unipolar planet – is absolutely dependent upon the capacity of mass media to effectively lie and censor. The holes in the dike of disinformation grow daily.
There is a sense of growing desperation in the Empire’s trolling and official pronouncements and avoidances. Foaming at the mouth over Putin and the Russians as Hitlerian and demonic etc has a pathetic, defeated quality about it.
Because the Russians in conjunction with the Chinese and Iranians create a military bloc that the West in sanity must respect, the ‘war’ is now a global ‘infowar’. We might pray for continuing wisdom from the Russians, but more to the point, all the little things that we as individuals can do, a talk show illumination here, a discerning letter to the editor there, a twitter truth telling here, a facebook honesty jab there, and so on, all adds up to a lot of helping hearts and heads.
the fact, that the “Czecho-Slovakia” refused to have some us marines on treir territory is hardly surprising for anybody living in Czech rep. or Slovakia.
As for Czech rep., where I come from, we have quite strong opposition against such a things, with many movements ready to intervene, as happend the last time when usa wanted to have radar there. the political risks are enormous for czech political elite.
dear saker be patient, more this site becomes visible more the number of trolls and idiots will increase.
Also putin is very patient (
I agree with your analysis ) but I fear that with further massive increasing of terroristic war the junta will certainly reach the goal of a Russian intervention
Something else to consider regarding Ukrainian men.
Ukraine for hundreds and really thousands of years has been a country that has either actively sold its own women into foreign sexual slavery, or passively stood by while this happens.
In Greco-Roman times, this trade went through the Greek ports in Crimea to Constantinople and beyond. These were taken over by Venetians and Genoans during the era after the 4th Crusade and they held onto the trade until ousted by the Crimean Tatars, who continued the trade and also instituted active slave raiding campaigns on the mainland. Once Crimea and Novorossiya was conquered by Russia in the 1780’s up until the break-up of the Soviet Union in 1991, this trade had to go underground and become the province of the local criminal gangs lead by Jewish mobsters, who instituted modern white slavery by trafficing kidnapped Ukrainian women to brothels in western Europe and later Israel. With Ukrainian “independence”, this white slave trade has come out in the open in Ukraine, using modern techniques such as fake help-wanted ads, as well as open recruitment using the inducement of cash. Additionally, a new industry of “mail-order” brides has sprung up to conintue to send Ukrainian women abroad into their age old occupation of concubinage.
In most countries this would provoke outrage if it happened on the level it does in Ukraine. in Ukraine, the men seem to shrug their shoulders and ignore it. I wonder if this is because those who would have been outraged long ago where either killed by the slavers or captured and sold into slavery themselves. Those Ukrainian men who reproduced would be selected for docile and uncaring personalities who could overlook this sort of outrage, and this would become more and more pronounced over the centuries.
Maybe this in part accounts for the sort of langour we see among Ukrainian men today on both sides as their country is being violated by the Coup/RIght Sector.
All war crimes and the perpetuators of these should be documented. Rest assured that justice will be served one day There are divisions in the ruling group however subterranean over this Operation Neo Nazicon in the Donbass. The phrase “play for time” comes to mind because the cracks in the Europe-US alliance will appear more evident in the months to come especially if the situation is not resolved quickly which is why Kiev is mobilizing fascist based National Guard units ( WSJ 6/4/14 had a picture of a group being sworn in). Plus, the World Bank has put Poroslovsky on notice to get the Donbass subdued ASAP. Putin was very nimble and articulate in his big interview with the French reporters by the way. And of course there are Psyops agents on this site because that is testimony to how effective you really are Saker. Our trade union veteran strike advisors would tell us not to worry about undercover agents–just don’t let them set you off against each other in paranoia and don’t let them”set you up” in ways that make it hard to mount a civil liberties defense.
Saker no offense, but your last analysis and comments sound as if he was an idiot and was 20 years old.
Write nonsense (eg comparing the Ukrainians to Hezbollah), and you wonder idiotic commentaries.
Some are ridiculous (eg nuke) but many people point to the lack of logic and shallowness of your arguments.
It is hardly surprising to people, because what you see is different from what you are trying to convey.
Crimea referendum was enough to have received full support. In Donetsk and Lugansk referendum is not enough, even armed resistance is not enough, even hundreds of victims is not enough. But as there will be thousands that you think will be enough and will intervene.
But since the intervention of Russia in Ukraine is facing a trap in which Russia does not want to be caught. This should take care to these victims were thousands and no intervention was needed. Can be shoot down tomahawk flying on Syria it and you can shoot down planes in Ukraine. Helicopters cope with people on the ground. but according to you and your claqueurs suddenly can not do this because… and here fall idiotic explanation.
Besides presenting Putin as a master of the masters , or a man of a higher morality (the butcher of Chechnya – before it appeared there any wahhabits) and our opponents as idiots is ridiculous and rather tragic. Those opponents (which until recently was the ruler of your master Putin at the G8 and salons with them introduce the WTO, the World Bank, the Patriot Act, supported the “war on drugs” and “war on terror” and patted his back with Bush and Obama and all these Zionist pawns of Europe) do what they want in the world and your master so far objected to 2 (two) times and had dozens of occasions. So do not be surprised if people doubt the emotional commentaries , because the reality is very bad and the championship will see little master and his complicity in the filth of this world was and is very visible.
So either you make a discussion with your readers on the arguments (and not challenging them idiots) or be among the religious cheerleaders and you will pray together for your Jewish God and to break his hands – because after all, nothing you can not do – and Superman Putin has yet hands are tied.
btw. somehow I did not hear your anger when some of your readers believe such psyop like: wikileaks, snowden, occupy
I do not know why do not you call them idiots!
hi saker
in the past few weeks, i really enjoyed you highly speculative articels. i was seldom of your opinion, but always intersted in your point of view. but now i think i have to move further. there are better news sources covering ukraine. it’s probably not the best way, running a blog by insulting your readers.
@Angelika
“So Obama apparently feels he has to talk tough and regurgitate the false narrative,
Nah! Obama reads what’s on the teleprompter, period.
and by the way saker, do you think those guys are also agents of the enemy?
https://twitter.com/PaulaSlier_RT/status/474517797578358784
I have had some abusive comments, by those who do not agree with me, or who claim that they do not agree with me.
This is at the EU observer Website, where I use Moniker as my moniker, and the News Article is Titled: Germany backs France on Russia warship contract at http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://euobserver.com/foreign/124498 .
Mr Saker,
Here’s a suggestion concerning the administration of comments. The moderator (you) could perform a type of summary “triage”, and divide the comments into categories, as follows:
1) Those which contain useful information, thoughtful analysis, important questions, or other comments that are of the highest value to the general audience.
2) Those that politely express opinions (including agreement or disagreement), hopes, frustrations, thank you’s, and other emotions, that are all valid responses, but are secondary in actually documenting and understanding what is going on.
3) Those comments that are unfit for publication for various reasons that you have already outlined.
Then, publish two separate lists of comments (categories 1 and 2). Or, if that is not practical, flag the comments in some obvious way (e.g. text color). The object would be to most efficiently distribute general information while still allowing personal expression.
You probably agree that less than 25 percent of past comments fall into category 1. This is actually excellent performance compared to most blogs. Highlighting only the best comments might be an easy way for you to encourage discipline without excluding anyone.
Saker, what do you think about the next visit to Paris V.V.Putin for the celebration of the landing of Normandy? Think it´s safe right now?
Althogh invited by hollande attends and his presence is more than justified ( the nearly 30 million deaths That Russia stood to free europeans fron the Nazis , I have fear for him.
Let´s say I do not trust Hollande, which I sold to the higuest bidder-
Then we give them the opportunity to bratty obama and his troupe to make an ugly sight in front to all Europeans leaders and to all TVs in the world.
I would prefer not to go, even if it is interpreted as a sign of weakness or as they damn well to interpret.
I think the time for the good words and good maners happened long ago.
Kind regards.
A big hug to all the Donbass people,all the injured and relatives and friends of the deceased.
Dear Saker,
I feel for you, as you have to deal with a torrent of raw emotions on the part of your readers, but as Philippe Grasset of Dedefensa.org has pointed out, the Ukrainian crisis is becoming the detonator for the much larger crisis which is about to engulf us all, as what you call the Anglo-Zionist Empire, and what he calls the Americanist System, is losing its footing and its grip on a significant and wide swath of the planet. So do not be surprised if you find yourself at the focal point of a vortex of powerful and sometimes irrational emotions, and thank you for staying cool and collected under the difficult circumstances.
I personally find Aleksandr Dugin’s opinions rather compelling, and according to him this conflict in the Ukraine is becoming a clash of civilizations, with Russia on one side defending conservative values and traditional order, while a postmodern “West” on the other side frantically promotes values which are clearly destabilizing societies all over the world. Alain Soral, in religious terms, equates the current and otherwise unexplainable trends and policies in Western countries with the hold or ascendency of satanism on our ruling elites, while Philippe Grasset, in more secular terms talks about “le dechainement de la matiere”.
In some ways, the centrifugal forces which are now tearing Ukraine apart exist also in all of our own countries, even though they have yet to reach a critical stage everywhere.
I remain optimistic however, because Russia throughout the ages has successfully defeated all those who tried to conquer and subjugate her, whether they be Mongol hordes or Teutonic knights, Polish and Lithuanian armies, Napoleon and Hitler, or Jihadis financed by Saudi Arabia and the CIA. That is a pretty good track record and I am sure that once again Russia will not disappoint those of us who are rooting for her in our hearts and in our minds.
As for me I am taking a well deserved vacation from the Americanist System this Summer by going to Irkutsk and Lake Baikal for two and a half months. The best way to preserve one’s sanity at times like this is to go to the other side and get some relief from the madness gripping our civilization and our rulers.
I wish you the best and may God keep you in these turbulent times.
American Russophile
Putin is not in a tough spot, and this has everything to do with European, particularly British, public opinion.
Recall that Nigel Farrage has repeatedly praised Putin and said that the European Union is the aggressor in Ukraine, yet… yet he won the European elections in Britain.
Recall (what I now absolutely believe was the tipping point in 21st century world affairs) that 30 Conservative British backbenchers prevented Cameron from attacking Syria. That had the follow-on effect of preventing Obama from attacking Syria without consulting Congress which would have voted no.
This very, very clear-cut history is revised in every telling by the MSM in the US. In every, repeat every, retelling, “Obama vacillated“. This outright lie, grotesque lie, easily rebutted lie is the main point in every opinion piece on Ukraine. It is the necessary lie.
Putin must not appear to be winning in Eastern Ukraine. Crimea must appear to be having terrible problems with everyday life. And the struggle in Eastern Ukraine must continue as long as possible.
If these conditions are met, Russia wins what in effect has been World War III… without firing a shot.
The only caveat is that whoever is running the show in the United States knows all this. And they are very dangerous, aggressive people. They are capable of anything, particularly a true provocation of Russia. But, frankly, I believe Putin not only knows their plans but is way ahead of them.
It looks like the “official” Russian position is getting even more toned down, the special Ukraine section on RT has been removed.
Most probably to avoid stirring more resentment about the Junta atrocities like the Krasny Lyman hospital slaughter.
Too bad for the victims and the warmongers but this is a real WAR (NATO/US v/s Russia, NOT Novorossia!) and strategy trumps feelings and even decency.
Indeed, the Krasnyi Liman hospital massacre has been underreported in the Russian MSM.
The tone is quite different from the Odessa’s events coverage a month ago…
Saker Censor! What is he different from MSM?
Thank you, Saker. Your assessment and that of several others of your posters are extremely valuable. This is a terrible situation but here’s my two cents today.
It is not just Kiev that is going down in memory as the perpetrator of atrocities. Right now in full sight of all the world, it is the US Government. So, when there is insult being thrown at Putin, that is an attempt to brand him with the same brand that is searing into the flank of the USofA. He resists; I think it is for the good. He is trying to keep the world from falling apart. More should, more must! join in that effort.
As in any other of the secret ops or disinformational surrogate attacks on stable but vulnerable countries that first Bush and then Obama charged into, this horrible and stupid carnage is being launched because the USA threw all its support immediately to the lowest level of Ukrainian society and let the dogs loose.
We all saw the pictures, heard the rhetoric, listened to the silence. Now we watch carnage. No sane person thinks it was Russia’s doing. And the sooner the rest of the world voices their outrage, the better it will be for the innocent citizens of Ukraine. The urge to help the suffering people mounts, but as it does, so mounts the criminal responsibility of the violators and, most of all, of their powerful accessories in western countries.
History, if we are allowed to have a history, will judge them all. Already they are themselves in hell. I shudder at the thought.
[Apologies – I guess that was more than two cents.]
Andrew,
About Ukrainian women, while I can’t speak historically if you look at the demographics and economy of Ukraine you will see that the male death rate exceeds female mortality so that by age ~20 there are more women than men despite a higher male proportion at birth. By age 60 the difference is dramatic. With a poor economy men have difficulty finding employment sufficient to sustain a family. Successful men can change wives as they please. Single mothers are very common. Alcoholism and drug use problems are of course more acute under poor economic conditions and I would say disproportionately affect males. Ukrainian women tend to be attractive. Given these factors it is not surprising that many women seek to leave Ukraine, marriage being one avenue that can overcome visa restrictions on travel. The situation also makes women vulnerable to trafficking. Improved economic conditions would go a long way toward solving some of the underlying problems. I wouldn’t say that Ukrainian men have any special issues that make them less willing to defend their own than elsewhere.
It occurred to during my first visit to Russia (central Siberia in fact) that there seemed to be an oversupply of attractive, healthy, strong men and women in the population at large. I wondered if this might be due to the selective pressure of extreme hardship over many centuries. Who knows.
the pessimist
The fact that border crossings have been taken might suggest that some covert help has been given. Control of the border also means that extra help can begin to flow more freely.
As “Daruma Doll” stated, Russia and Putin did promise to stand up for Russians in the world, and at the critical moment, they threw the people under bus. That is how it look like to many people. You encourage them to stand up and fight, let them know you have their back, then you make all kind excuses for not doing do. So either Putin was bluffing, or his strategies were disgrace.
I understand Russian lost more than 20 million in WWII, do you really need lost a lot people this time? Is there more you can do? People in Slovyansk is out of water and food, I have not hear anything from Russian government. Waiting for whole city to fall to do something?
To call people disagree with you Crazies, is doing your self a disservice. There is a pattern on this blog that when people is not agree with certain opinion, someone will start a fight instead of engage the issues. I hope it is not something intelligent people do.
Saker, I can offer this bit of proof for the PSYOP scenario: last weekend, the editor of a leading Serbian webzine critical of the Empire basically laid out the argument that those calling for Putin to intervene are being “useful idiots” for the Empire. Regular readers debated back and forth, when all of a sudden a large number of bots joined in screaming the “war war now now” line. After being admonished by admins, they disappeared – and the webzine was hit by a massive DDOS attack, going offline for four days. – Gray Falcon
Saker, I can offer this bit of proof for the PSYOP scenario: last weekend, the editor of a leading Serbian webzine critical of the Empire basically laid out the argument that those calling for Putin to intervene are being “useful idiots” for the Empire. Regular readers debated back and forth, when all of a sudden a large number of bots joined in screaming the “war war now now” line. After being admonished by admins, they disappeared – and the webzine was hit by a massive DDOS attack, going offline for four days. – Gray Falcon
I was one who responded to your post about the Russian non-intervention, citing the Christian Just War ‘construct’.
The more I thought about it, I realized that ‘construct’ is being observed by Putin, and he deserves our respect.
But please, Lord Jesus, help the people of Novorossia!
Just War…..
A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.
A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate.
A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient–see point #4). Further, a just war can only be fought with “right” intentions: the only permissible objective of a just war is to redress the injury.
A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable.
The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.
The violence used in the war must be proportional to the injury suffered. States are prohibited from using force not necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered.
The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.
It is saddening that you should receive aggressive comments for your good job, but it is not surprising. Most people cannot think straight when they are under heavy emotions.
For my part, I thank you for all these informations, the good as well as the bad. What we need now is factual information and good analysis, and it seems to me that it is what you give us.
For Novorossiya people, yes, it is terrible. But you are right: they have to take their destiny in their hands, and, yes, I also believe that it is willpower which wins wars. They will never build a nation if they just wait for Russia to come and save them.
And Russia, of course, should not come in overtly, at least as long as there is a hope to solve the problem otherwise. I agree with you. Too many ennemies, too many covert plots, too many evil intentions make the world ready to explode in a horrible war.
I don not believe foor a second that Vladimir Poutine would be a short sighted or stupid man: his record of actions speak for him; nor that he would be a coward: this seems to me plain nonsense. What concerns me is more that you wrote that there people in Novorossiya would might understand better than him the true nature of the NWO. That is what worries me more, because I think that today, if the world has a chance of seeing a better tomorrow, it is in Putin’s hands.
Thak you for your good job
Abdnour
Blogger CubuCoko said…
Saker, I can offer this bit of proof for the PSYOP scenario:
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We have in Croatia e-newspaper by name advance.hr.
This is not a regime newspaper.
Advance.hr is anti NATO/EU or anti Anglo-Zionist newspaper.
Everybody can comment and and you can give plus or minus.
The majority of the readers support the victim, Russia.
Here is the link
http://www.advance.hr/
There are some signs that the more and more people in the EU are becoming aware of the fact that their leaders are supporting a neo-Nazi junta who is waging a full-scale war against its own people
I disagree. Initially there was general sympathy in Europe for the Russian side. Europeans weren’t that bothered by Crimea especially when they saw how the locals embraced Russia – the pictures spoke for themselves. They preferred the obviously ethnically divided Ukraine being broken up to a new Yugoslavia war. They distrusted their media’s hysterical Russophobia, especially after the Olympics turned out well instead of the disaster the media confidently claimed it would be. Europeans also had a knee-jerk sympathy for Russia as they could see it was the Americans and some of their own most hated politicians (Francois Hollande 14% approval!) who were most belligerent on Ukraine. But that was then…
Now virtually all Europeans have been exposed to Russia’s self defeatingc propagandists. Everywhere from the comment sections of newspaper sports articles to political blogs and on TV the pro-Russian advocates rub just about everybody the wrong way. All of them sound like spambots and all of them also come across like bullying Antifa activists using “fascist” and “Nazi” in every sentence. Almost all Westerners have experience with name-calling shame artists who try to silence opposition to our elites by crying “fascist,’ “racist”, or “homophobe” so the Russian online army and official PR has convinced many of us that the Russians are no better.
Also, it helps if your advocates aren’t constantly parroting old USSR narratives about historical events. In the West nobody believes that their country has always been right (American patriotards excepted). Russian nationalists seem to interpret any criticism of the past actions of their rulers (other than Yeltsin) as some kind of personal attack on every Russian ever born. They’d be far better off just showing a map of NATO expansion/encirclement or linking to reports of the asset stripping of Russia in the 90s (which Western elites would like to repeat) than making excuses for Stalin or disparaging the role of the US and UK in defeating the actual Nazis.
I think the Slavic style of propaganda be it Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian or Croatian, doesn’t work in the West. Maybe that is why the Ukrainians, like the Croats before them, have allowed Western PR firms to do it for them! Russia needs to work on this. Maybe hiring some native speakers of English and German to help PR efforts would help.
I hope the above doesn’t come across as too critical as I believe that overall Russia is in the right on the Ukraine crisis.
Putin does not have to order Russian army “invade” Novorossiia, he can help clandestinely, “abandoning” needed arms on back roads, as you say, and in other ways. But I dont think he can sit on his hands, thinking time is on his side. Maybe it is not.
I think many of you who disagree with Saker are mistaken. You constantly urge Mr. Putin to invade, to fight, to DO SOMETHING. Are you up north? Are you there to see what is going on? Do you even know what is happening up there? Do you not only watch the many videos but do you SEE the videos?
It’s like back in February when our boys took the Krimea Rada after Right Sector fought and lost Monday afternoon. There are vids of our boys arriving at zero dark hundred the next day, tossing a flash bang in the door and taking the Rada complex. The West screamed they were Spetznaz but NO ONE looked at their feet or how they handled their weapons. You looked but you didn’t SEE.
Same today in Donbas. You look but you don’t see. 5 weeks ago what did the Donbas troops have beyond automats? 3 weeks ago they had shoulder fired anti aircraft weapons, a few. One week ago they had twin barreled anti aircraft and anti personnel weapons and state of the art anti tank weapons.
A month ago Polkovnik Strelkov was lamenting he had not enough volunteers in his units to fight. Many of you started to scream that Putin ‘took’ Krim so why wasn’t he in Donbas?
I’ll tell you why. When we in Krim were threatened, in three days we tossed out the Kiev appointed adminstrators, our Radi elected new governments, we blocked the roads coming from Ukeland in to Krim, we closed off Sevastopol, we blockaded Yalta and we had 25,000 (!) members of our self defense units mobilized and our Berkut swore allegiance to US and joined us on our barricades in addition to opening up their weapons lagers to us.
Proportionally speaking Donbas should have 60,000 thousand fighters in the lines. They don’t. They have a lot more than you think and many volunteers have come to help, but Putin has to see more effort from the people. Plus Krim had one huge advantage in addition to our instant mobilization. We have Sevastopol, the third capitol of Russia. Russia will NEVER give up Sevastopol nor will we in Sevastopol surrender to anyone.
Mr. Putin is no fool. In time his plans will be revealed and come to fruition. You will all be shocked I’m sure. Just be patient. Donbas is not being abandoned. Think. Why do you think we fought so hard to take Border Control HQ? Think about that.
Great column. The internet is infested with operatives who show up whenever those in power have a point to make. It’s been going on for years.
Your point about EU public opinion was well taken. The people in the UK, France, Italy, etc. will find support for the current government revolting just as 9 of 10 informed U.S. citizens will find Obama-Kerry-Clinton and their masters revolting.
I’m concerned by Jaun’s report today. This is simply not reported in corporate media. When it is, as in this McClatchy article, the truth is buried so deep in the article, it’s useless. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/05/24/228350/as-ukrainians-vote-legacy-of-odessa.html
If McClatchy won’t report it, forget about it, we’ll get nothing except from the foreign press and bloggers.
Saker,
This is one of your best posts ever — clear-sighted, level-headed, hard-hitting. Thank you.
And you know the trolls (most especially the paid ones) are really high praise: a clear sign of the excellent job you’re doing. One might expect them to become somewhat more sophisticated now that you’ve called them out so beautifully, but the fact that the Empire even needs to employ them pretty much says it all.
Another Nora question though: I had been starting to feel hopeful, given the weapons-discoveries, increase in fighting capacity, greater numbers of people joining the resistance and, of course, the various successes they have had. But reading you, with Odessa never far from my mind plus now shooting people in hospital, searching residences, and shutting off water… First off, I’m getting scared, feeling a chill. But also, Good Heavens: who gave the green light for these hideous, criminal acts? In this day and age the whole world can know almost instantly — and that world certainly includes the very Europeans whose good will the junta — and their leaders — clearly need. So are the Anglo-Zionist Empire creeps in charge of this really stupid and arrogant enough to think they won’t ever be brought to justice? Neither Dubya nor Cheney dare go to Europe, but will all the rest of the monsters be content confined to Canada, the US and Israel? Or do they think they can pass all blame off onto whichever Pravy Sektor thugs manage to survive? The horrible things our troops did in Afghanistan and Iraq could be viewed (not excused, NEVER excused, but just viewed) as ginned-up rage plus poor training and discipline. These acts, otoh, do not seem at all the product of individual depravity: these people were following orders and the buck stops at whichever evil mastermind(s) determined that an escalating campaign of terroristic crimes against humanity might get Putin to finally attack. Did they not think through the consequences to themselves, or do they truly believe they are — and will remain — utterly above the law? Or might they be just scared enough of getting caught for past misdeeds (Syria, Libya, the list is endless) that they’re failing forward in their atrocities too? The buck, of course, stops with Obama, whether he’s really in charge or not: just think of his legacy, right up there with the greatest monsters in history.
Juliana,
Thank you for yet another insightful comment.
Auslander,
This is very important information for anyone who wants to spread the truth about what is going on. Could you please maybe expand it a bit? And have you had any more contact with the children? We are praying so hard for them and their families.
Someone posted this link the other day, an interview with one Daniel Patrick Welch. It’s so good I’m re-posting it here, and thanks to whoever linked it, I don’t have time to comb thru the site-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5pzS4BZhoQ
He also has a great article up on his website:
http://danielpwelch.com/
I feel that many of the “enraged people” also just vent their anger and frustration about their personal lives (and their failures and catastrophes!) and want Russia to do what they are unable to do within their own lifes
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Oh, well, finally here we are. The psychiatric evaluation of the disagreement, the real kosher one.
Frankly, my dear, you are sick, echo of a general illness here. PSYOP exists and prospers just because of people like you, entrapped in the mirrors game of the enemy of human race and enslaved to the misplaced faith in their reason, well titillated by an even more misplaced pride.
Therefore, absolutely unable to detect the usual satanic pattern here, constantly repeated in history of mankind at least since the dawn of the modern era. The making and the control of all the supposed alternatives, to make sure that the real one get obliterated.
So, Russian “patriots” exploit and take advantage of the discontent aroused by Russian “real patriots”, while Russian “true patriots” (you can notice also them here) target those who know even better.
There is also a reserve, not large but very chic, dedicated to the ones like you: those who have such a wonderful life and even more wonderful a brain.
What is obliterated? A very simple truth, truth is always simple, that is also the only real disagreement of mine with the Saker’s analysis (useless rants aside): you can’t face someone who has not honored a single deal, with the strategy of “let’s make another deal!”.
As an aside, I would argue that you discern a covert operation from its effectiveness. Behold, that would make it.
Becoming a mere Antithesis would not! In the end, you become synthesized in the same devilish blob which rules this world.
A real alternative is the one which rejects every aspect of the evil, it does not simply pretend a more educated one.
saker. the only way to deal with anglos empire is to deal with them as anglos treat others.
there is no other way.
waiting for european opnion pole while hospital patients are being killed by urki terrorists is no way to deal withthis problem
they will get bolder wheil russia has shown herself to be weak in resolve-think and talking too much.
atleast ravamp foreign ministry and kick traitor lavrov out.
man from atlan said “ust 30 backbenchers in the UK voting against the invasion of Syria shows how important that battle will be.”
05 June, 2014 14:09
that is hog wash.
the brits trhice reeelcted the war criminal tony liar blair .
the reason 30 voted agasint syrian invasion(with all syrian terrorists being housed in london ) was ebcause russian naval forces had intercepted the missiles fired by american and isralis agasint syrians.
brits know when defeat looms and are too coward to get involved in any real battle.
it iwas demosntraition of russian caspability which stopepd syrian invasion
I have stated that before, and I will state it again: the only thing Russian elites hate more than NATO at their borders is well armed and well organized Russian nationalists. The likes of Strelkov are not and never will be Putin’s friends. That is why he will never help them enough to win this war. Putin might use them for his geostrategic goals, but he will backstab them sooner or later. Just watch and you’ll see.
In fact this whole mess in Ukraine could be summarized as follows: Russian nationalists and Ukrainian nationalists killing each other in a transnational oligarchy’s turf war.
Slavs killing Slavs while the Khazarian khaganate is being built on the richest lands of the ancient Rus.
Pathetic…
quote “Putin is not in a tough spot, and this has everything to do with European, particularly British, public opinion.
Recall that Nigel Farrage has repeatedly praised Putin and said that the European Union is the aggressor in Ukraine, yet… yet he won the European elections in Britain.
Recall (what I now absolutely believe was the tipping point in 21st century world affairs) that 30 Conservative British backbenchers prevented Cameron from attacking Syria. That had the follow-on effect of preventing Obama from attacking Syria without consulting Congress which would have voted no.”
all rubbish
farrage is priasing russian for tactical reason. english right wingers hate everyother race other than anglos.
english are waging war on all races and russia is their biggest enemy that is what they think.
anonymous at 05 June, 2014 18:13
said qutoe “Putin is not in a tough spot, and this has everything to do with European, particularly British, public opinion.
Recall that Nigel Farrage has repeatedly praised Putin and said that the European Union is the aggressor in Ukraine, yet… yet he won the European elections in Britain.
Recall (what I now absolutely believe was the tipping point in 21st century world affairs) that 30 Conservative British backbenchers prevented Cameron from attacking Syria. That had the follow-on effect of preventing Obama from attacking Syria without consulting Congress which would have voted no.”
all lies by the british liars.
The same ukip which talks about nationalism and control away from big beaurocracy is very much opposed to nationalism of the Scots and Scottish referendum because it really stand for English pirate nationalism and nothing else. It wages war ,like all English-sc—um bags, on all European and other races.
But the ukip is very much pro English imperialism that it opposing European stems from this English are waging war on all races European and otherwise and ukip is one of those English sc—um bags. Ukip never opposed imperialistic war being waged by evil uk controlled usa-what it opposes is that the English lumpen proletariat or otherwise called white trash has not yet benefitted from those imperial wars-for example Iraq and Libyan terrorism by english have not benefitted the English white trash so much as it used to happen when the imperialism provided these white trash with job either in uk or colonies. So it is this frustration with no more loot coming their way that ukip opposes.
The real agenda of ukip is to make Europe subservient to English interests by making rift amongst the Europeans. Napoleaon’s continental system whereby English race was ostracised is the right approach to tackle these English parasites.
English tried to weaken the French-German pole first by siding sometime with right wing Spanish govt. of Aznar, or with Portugal, failing which they brought advocacy for new east Europeans into EU to dilute french-german influence. Then they infiltrated the baurocracy of EU with barraos and then ashton.
Now it is the same racist English who advocated for east Europeans to come to EU are the most vehement critic of Europeans coming over to england ! those east Europeans have no desire to come over but because their cream layer is forced to bring stolen money to London the masses have no means to survive.
It ( ukip and all English parites) does not oppose that england lives off stolen wealth from the third world and other countries like east Europeans -that england destabilises other nations so that English installed elites in those nations are forced to bring their stolen money to London and british banks from where it is not going to move anywhere else. This money laundering the English call service industry.
As I said, Putin is fighting the Moral war. And that is the key one to win (as in all conflicts).
Here is something interesting check this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/05/g7-leaders-russia-ukraine-sanctions#start-of-comments
Standard anti-Russian US propaganda printed by the Guardian as ‘truth’….
But read the comments, my rough count is 95%+ pro Russia, similar to other Ukraine articles recently.
How long can the Guardian keep toeing the US line and printing US/EK/EU lies verbatim, against pressure from it’s own readers? And such transparent and stupid lies too.
Personally I think not long now before we start to see more even coverage from them. I’ll put the Guardian down as a ‘canary’ for a split in the UK/EU MSM coverage (you can forget about the US).
And that (and other EU media) is one of the key battles that Putin and his Govt has to win.
One thing that helps a lot is Putin and Lavrov themselves. They always come across as intelligent and reasonable.
The stand out compared to the pygmies like Cameron, Kerry and so on.
And while I think a lot of people don’t actually like Putin, they respect him, he comes across as an adult, compared to a bunch of shrill, bratty children.
As one commentator to that Guardian article said “and yet why do a huge amount of people who should know better admire and yes respect him…myself included….simply because the man is a saint….compared to the vicious bunch of self-serving psychopaths such as obama and kerry….at least the lies coming from russia are convincing….whereas the lies emanating from america and the american stooges in the eu are so blatantly false that they are an insult to our intelligence…”
Saker, I had planned last night (my Thursday night in Malaysia; your Thursday morning in Florida) to write you this morning (your Thursday night) about the direction your comment section was heading. But you have stolen a march on me and have already noted the issue.
I know you have banned the Jew-baiters/haters and the myriad other. . .what shall I call them? Not conspiracy theorists for I as well as you see the obvious conspiracies at play in the world. Let’s call them non-empiricists! You have banned them yet you must spend an inordinate amount of time weeding them out from among all the comments you must receive.
Now you have the armchair geo-political hacks to deal with. And you did a splendid job of it with the current post.
I seldom read comment sections but when I first started reading your blog some months ago I was pleased and quite stunned by the thoughtful intelligent comments you received, comments that illuminated points you had made, comments that added new and valuable information to what you had said.
But by yesterday I had resolved to read only your posts on The Vineyard of the Saker and to ignore the flood of foolish comments you now receive.
As you surely are aware, your blog is being referenced now in many places on the web, positive references on the sites that I visit. These references have drawn a new crowd to your site, an ego-builder for one who needs his ego built, a money-maker for those who peddle merchandise through their site. I rather think you don’t need your ego built nor internet bucks by being an internet peddler.
So, what to do? I have no answer and from your current post, you don’t either. Most insightful writers on the web have given up on printing comments, have given up on even allowing readers to send comments. I expect that you will have to reach that point soon.
I shall miss the collegial discussions that your original core of readers presented but what’s the point of my reading (or you reading or printing) the current crop of resentful, inane, thoughtless comments. It wastes your time and mind. I’m sure also that it has no positive benefits for our blood pressure.
Please keep writing. Your insights are invaluable. Also, your neologisms are adding new, most valuable words to our political vocabulary. “Anglzionism” is a treasure. And today! “Khazarian khaganate” floored me. Keep it up.
As to the current crop of comments, you’re in uncharted waters my friend.
Macon Richardson
Penang Island, Malaysia
I fear lots of people here think with their emotions rather than with that wonderful God’s gift,their brains.Yes,it is appalling that innocents and brave resistance people are killed but it is wrong to concentrate on that.People tend to forget the big picture,e.g. for example what has been said in Shanghai short time ago?What strategy has been envisioned by an axis who is fighting the Anglozionist empire,each in its own way and for a very long time(China,Russia,Iran)?If you follow closely they have been coordinating on different issues vital to the World,Syria and the fourth joint veto last month being one tangible example.It is idiotic to order countries or leaders to do this or that without knowing the exact cards each hold,one must have faith in leaders who have proved under duress that they are cunning,resilient and extremely patients.I am totally confident that we are living the last very dangerous crumbling of the empire of evil!
Great Pepe Escobar article a Must Read, where he documents the rise of US/EU doing ‘Stupid S**t’ all the time: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38695.htm
Snippet:
“Don’t expect logic in what I called a few weeks ago, before the rise of stupid s**t, the Obama administration’s juvenile delinquent school of diplomacy; I don’t like you, I don’t wanna talk to you, I want you to die.
The counterpart to stupid s**t has been The Emperor ordering his European vassals to get their act together, stop with this silly talk of economic crisis, and shell out way more cash for their NATO protection. If that feels like coming straight from the playbook of Scorsese’s “Goodfellas,” that’s because it is. Only nervous poodle Poland and some other Eastern Europeans – and none of the top EU nations – devote at least 2 percent of their GNP to defense. Washington is acridly demanding an increased pound of flesh – and gold.
And right on cue, NATO’s outgoing secretary-general, the vain, vapid Dane Anders “Fogh of War” Rasmussen, praised The Emperor’s wisdom.
By the way, it’s never enough to remember that all-powerful NATO has had its collective behind royally kicked in Afghanistan by the Kalashnikov-armed descendants of generations of true mountain (and desert) warriors.”
“Regular readers debated back and forth [on this anti-Empire Serbian site], when all of a sudden a large number of bots joined in screaming the “war war now now” line.” – what Gray Falcon said at 05 June, 2014 18:52 is very appropo.
Regarding Angelika and Nora’s kind words — my apologies Angelika I misspelled the name of the city where US Army conducts cyber training ops from is Gilching in Bavaria, not Gleisching. My apologies. And not to be confused with Garmisch-Partenkirchen (see below).
Some interesting Ukraine tidbits from FederalBizOps, the same site where Russian bloggers discovered a US Navy RFP for reconstructing a school on a Ukrainian Naval base in Crimea dating to November 2013:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=58811928911d4760960390bda4a7dce4&tab=core&_cview=0
RFP for border control service modules for the government of Ukraine, paid for by the American taxpayer
Pre-UKR crisis solicitation last summer for English speaking Russian/Ukrainian language instructors at Partner Language Training Center Europe of the George C. Marshall European Center for Security Studies, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany (aka an academic ‘home away from home’ for Mr. NSA on Twitter, Naval War College Prof. John R. Schindler, among many other trans-Atlantic scholars and former NATO country bureaucrats):
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d66c1c4ef6e08ebecbfc69fb835c34e1&tab=core&_cview=1
If Blogger has an ISP function for comments I’m sure Saker will start to recognize familiar ISPs and patterns even if the ‘pros’ try to mix and match. I think after being called out they might resume lurking here or asking NSA/GCHQ to run those programs that Snowden revealed that allow the 5Eyes to ‘tag’ all unique ISPs visitors to a particular site.
American Kulak
Well, at least from Latin America many people believe, when they care to think about such a far off region, that Ukraine is as much in the Russian sphere as Mexico is in the US sphere and that NATO and their sidekicks should get out and let the bear sort out the mess.
Though the MSM feeds us the standard Reuters and CNN crap, the RT news network is becoming more popular around and even our governments only make a few desilutory comments against Russia since most of our military weaponry is Russian in origin!!!
“”Don’t expect logic in what I called a few weeks ago, before the rise of stupid s**t, the Obama administration’s juvenile delinquent school of diplomacy; I don’t like you, I don’t wanna talk to you, I want you to die.” – Pepe Escobar
Re: 05 June, 2014 23:20
http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/russian-state-media-is-suddenly-really-really-obsessed-with
This Buzzfeed piece by the ever syncophantic Max Seddon practically features the recently resigned Ms. Psaki screaming ‘Stoooooop making fun of meeeeeeee!’ like a preteen girl. You can also almost read between the lines that Seddon is saying ‘our online memes and trollbots work better than your trolls Kremlin, bwahahahaha!’ as if this matters worth a damn in Southeastern Ukraine or hashtags will stop the MANPADs from blasting more Kiev regime choppers from the sky. Dogs bark but the caravans march on, I say. Though as another commenter pointed out (likely sincerely) Russian commenting efforts have often lacked subtlety, solid English skills, and when comments do run against NATO/EUSSR/DC in German, Spanish or other languages they are dismissed as the handiwork of mobilized Russian expats abroad in Europe rather than EU citizens fed up with their own governments. Perhaps RT can make Buzzfeed’s characterizations thus a tad harder. For now Russia still tends towards top-down commenting models despite vast numbers of entirely unpaid sympathizing non-Russian citizens volunteering their time around the world. The NWO/USSA propaganda machine by contrast also has its top down structures but operates on the more subtle hub/spokes model with ‘ex’ IC ‘experts’ like John R. Schindler pushing talking points on readily eager (if not directly paid under the table) ‘journalists’ at sites like HuffPost, Buzzfeed, and Business Insider, from whence the paid troll swarms fan out (hub/spokes).
I would like to send Saker a guest post about this at some point in the future, perhaps mid-summer, when time permits. Because it isn’t all that difficult to identify the spook derived propaganda networks it’s just that DoD/CIA/NSA have become more subtle about how they peddle their stuff and rely on the occasional journalist that they don’t pay directly but know can be counted on to push their talking points aggressively (like ahem, Mr. Seddon) in return for ‘access’ and hope of promotion from ‘State Dept/IC scoops’.
American Kulak
Watch this: http://rt.com/news/163676-putin-ukraine-french-us/
The man is impressive. No telepromter or soundbite. 30 mins of hard questions. Think of any other leader anywhere is the West that does that?
He is calm and intelligent (boy is he intelligent). He is not shrill, doesn’t (to use the Pepe Escobar term) say any “Stupid S**t”. He appeals for unity and diplomacy.
He has gravitas, a presence and dignity.
Compare him to your own country’s leader, any of them. In my country (Australia) we have an idiot in charge. Compare him in any way to Putin… and he does not look good at all.
Again this is all part of winning the Moral war.
A wicked though just came to mind, I wonder what would happen if Putin went up for election in any country in the EU….I’d expect he’d win by a landslide in many places.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1402006192
There are some indications that Ukraine has violated Russian airspace.
Saker, when you discussed ‘what ifs’, you did not venture into the following scenarios (which I’m sure the Russians have considered)
1) Continued violations of Russian airspace as a ‘provocation’ -> will the violators be shot down. Historically, even ‘civilian spy’ planes violating Russian airspace have been shot down. Will this happen today?
2) An actual attack on the Russian border in a desperate effort to draw Russia in. Is this even possible?
DVT
— Мы прекрасно видели, как самолет бомбил пункт. После его ударов там появился белый дым, потом черным заволокло. И ещё что важно: самолёт вторгся в пространство России, он для очередного захода на пункт разворачивался над нашими полями. Почему никто с нашей стороны не отреагировал, непонятно, — отметил Александр Криворотов
Bingo!!!
Saker, what about this?!?!
A Ukrainian plain enters into Russian airspace, bombs a border-guards position besieged by the DPR militants and flies away without bein shot down by the supposedly invincible S300/S400?
How to explain this?
May be you could explain to Alexander Krivorotov that all is fine and everything is going according to Putin’s plans ?
That this the way things must be…