Catastrophic Desertions and Losses in the Ukrainian Army – Official Ukrainian Reports, July 19, 2014
Preamble by Gleb Bazov: It is rare that we report on the workings of the aggressor across the battle lines. This item is different. Before you is a translation, kindly prepared by Valentina Lisitsa, of a report from the head of the Ukrainian Security Service, V.O. Nalyvaichenko, to the President of Ukraine, P.A. Poroshenko. It is an important document, which, we hope, you will distribute widely.
No further commentary is necessary, other than the following brief quotation. According to V.O. Nalyvaichenko, “2/3 of the active combat military units currently participating in the ATO will simply cease to exist in as little as 4 to 5 days” due to mass desertions and casualties. To provide context for this letter, provided below is another document recently publicized as an internal memorandum from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, which details recent casualties of the Ukrainian army, equally as catastrophic as its desertion rates
Report by Head of SBU, V.O. Nalyvaichenko, to the President of Ukraine, P.A. Poroshenko
Translated by Valentina Lisitsa
Header Left:
Security Service of Ukraine.
16, Malopidvalna St.,
Kiev, 01601
Tel: 226-25-64, 256-97-32, July 19 2014, No. 5/2/2-1331
Tel: 226-25-64, 256-97-32, July 19 2014, No. 5/2/2-1331
Header right:
Absolutely Confidential (Addendum 1)
Personally to the President of Ukraine, P.A. Poroshenko
Personally to the President of Ukraine, P.A. Poroshenko
Handwritten Across the Top:
”To continue until Victory!”
Signed V.O. Nalyvaichenko 20/7 [July 20]
Signed V.O. Nalyvaichenko 20/7 [July 20]
I am reporting.
In the period from July 14th to 19th, 2014 we witness a catastrophic increase (of 3473 people, or 47%) in the number of deserters in the units of the Army and the National Guard – in comparison with last week’s numbers (1847 people, 25%).
Apart from that, during the stated period the number of missing in action had increased as well (1344 people , 47%, last week – 344 people, 10%).
This phenomenon is connected to increased activity of the enemy in the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions as well as to the increase in the number of casualties in the ranks of the above-mentioned structures.
This fact [negatively] influences the combat-worthiness of the personnel and makes continuation of the ATO impossible. In the event the negative trend continues at the same level, I estimate that 2/3 of the active combat military units currently participating in the ATO will simply cease to exist in as little as 4 to 5 days.
With the aim of preserving the combat potential of our military structures, I am proposing that we perform a withdrawal maneuver of our militarily units to the area around Dobropil’ya and Smolyaninove. After replenishment of the ammunition stocks, re-grouping as well as rotation of the personnel by at least 60%, we can continue the offensive.
Signed,
The Head of the Ukrainian Security Service of Ukraine,
V. Nalyvaichenko
The Head of the Ukrainian Security Service of Ukraine,
V. Nalyvaichenko
Agreed,
The head of the Antiterrorist Centre of the Security Service,
B. Hrytsak
The head of the Antiterrorist Centre of the Security Service,
B. Hrytsak
Official Ukrainian Military Report of Losses for July 9-15, 2014(Arsen Avakov, Minister of Interior and V. Gritsak, Head of the ATO)
Translated by Gleb Bazov
… We admit the possibility that all the fighters have been purged by the separatists.
In vide of the concentration of a large number of fighters near the airport, as well as lack of prospects in conducting an evacuation of the members of the National Guard from the Donetsk airport, I propose to withdraw the units of the Ukrainian military to the area of Avdeevka in order to regroup them for a further attack against the forces of the separatists.
An Accounting of the Losses among Ukrainian Military, the Militants and the Civilians in the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions (for the period from July 9-15, 2014)
TOTAL UKRAINIAN LOSSES
- Killed in Action: 1600
- Wounded in Action: 4723
- Tanks: 35
- Armoured Battle Vehicles: 96
- Artillery: 38
- Aircraft: 7
- Helicopters: 2
- Automobiles: 104
TOTAL MILITIA LOSSES
- Killed in Action: 48
- Wounded in Action: 64
- Tanks: 2
- Armoured Battle Vehicles: 0
- Artillery: 5
- Automobiles: 8
TOTAL CIVILIAN LOSSES
- Killed: 496
- Wounded: 762
SIGNED & SUBMITTED BY: Arsen Avakov (Minister of Interior) and V. Gritsak (Head of the ATO)
Given the nature of these documents what signs are there that they are genuine?
Have the ‘suggested’ withdrawals taken place?
Part of why they are called the opponents or our colleagues.
Novorussia is defending itself against a nazi invasion.
French TV reports on Nazi leader Yarosh and his thugs fighting in the East:
http://observers.france24.com/content/20140710-video-shows-ultra-nationalist-militants-fighting-alongside-ukraine%E2%80%99-army-restive-ea
The embedded videos are from a channel with more videos that also show those nazis during combat.
Yes ! May God protect and be with the forces of Novorussia against the evil of Kiev and washington. May God grant Strelkov and his men victory.
There’s a small possibility these could be fakes, of course. Two discrepancies the folks on Russian LJ noted on the second document:
1). Both ‘National Guard’ and ‘Internal Forces’ are present, whereas we know that ‘National Guard’ was initially a mere rebrand of IF, later boosted with maidanite militants. Could, of course, be a result of bureaucratic delays that some units are still considered a part of IF.
2). The ‘wounded’ column for Junta forces and civilians uses the ukrainian word ‘пораненi’, whereas for the militia, the russian word ‘раненые’ is used. Could be a result of Avakov (or whoever authored the document) mixing the two, which happens to U/R bilinguals all the time, or it could be intentional. The same is with ‘artillery’: Junta has ‘артилерiя’, militia has ‘артиллерия’.
There’s a small possibility these could be fakes, of course. Two discrepancies the folks on Russian LJ noted on the second document:
1). Both ‘National Guard’ and ‘Internal Forces’ are present, whereas we know that ‘National Guard’ was initially a mere rebrand of IF, later boosted with maidanite militants. Could, of course, be a result of bureaucratic delays that some units are still considered a part of IF.
2). The ‘wounded’ column for Junta forces and civilians uses the ukrainian word ‘пораненi’, whereas for the militia, the russian word ‘раненые’ is used. Could be a result of Avakov (or whoever authored the document) mixing the two, which happens to U/R bilinguals all the time, or it could be intentional. The same is with ‘artillery’: Junta has ‘артилерiя’, militia has ‘артиллерия’.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/united-states-crafting-legislation-to-incite-world-war-iii_072014
No wonder the Ukes needed some “help” in the form of backdoor subterfuge and civilian massacres. They are getting their asses kicked.
I now see that Australia and the Dutch are going to send personnel to the site of the crash, probably hoping that some of them get killed.
Interestingly, we only hear about the reactions from Australia and the Netherlands since the plane went down (both are privileged provinces of the empire), but absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, from Malaysia.
What the hell are the Malaysians doing?
Speaking of which, I would love to hear the reaction of Sheikh Imran Hosein on the matter, but so far… NOTHING!
There have been some interesting developments which I haven’t seen mentioned here. Firstly, Russia has decided to allow commercial mercenary companies like Blackwater or Xe or whatever it’s called now. This is a very big development as now, Russians found fighting in Ukraine can simply say they were hired to do so by some Ukrainian. This will change many other potential conflicts as well. It was the headline in Spiegel but no one else picked it up.
Secondly, what is all this about Yatz resigning because of the energy sector? I haven’t been able to find much about it, but is it possible that the EU cannot get its grubby hands on the Ukrainian pipelines like they wanted all along? This is also big, big, big.
Well, I often get annoyed by apparent RF inactivity and lack of action about Ukrainian Civil War. However, to calm down I read Art of War again and see it coming. Good job Vladimir and Russian patriots.
Free world is with you!
Makes sense the Ukie Army downed that plane…they have been killing mostly innocent civilians all along and LOSING, so why not pull some sneaky subterfuge to bring in more outside help.
Hope they keep getting their asses kicked.
A multinational UN approved NATO force will go in for the international investigation. Russia will extract a victory for Donetsk and Lugansk out of that. The remaining oblasts can be taken by guerilla warfare and popular uprisings over the next year. Novorossia will start to look like the economically stable alternative compared to what is going to happen in the rest of the country.
2 years? until Strelkov’s tanks enter Kiev.
Hi. Thx for the document.
It’s almost too incredible to be true… Are you sure it’s not a fake ?
The false news war is a weapon used by both side in this war.
We have to be really cautious about this sort of incredible news.
Over 5,000 deserters in 2 weeks?
They can’t possibly keep this up much longer can they? It appears momentum or inertia is leading to a Ukraine collapse/defeat sooner rather than later.
Admittedly I am not a military expert but I am not sure how else to view numbers like that along with the numbers of killed and wounded.
Am looking forward to other posters views.
Stepping Razor.
Closing southern caulduron by militia could explain so many casaulties and deserters (about 5000). Now they should finnish junta forces, which are attacking Donetsk.
Still, I ll wait for confirmation from militia.
Andrew,
Hello
Australian Federal Police are being sent o the MH117 site ‘to secure evidence’. They will be backed by an undisclosed number of ADF soldiers. Added to this is news that Dutch paratroopers are also being sent to the same place: an article in Life RU claims they have orders to kidnap Strelkov.
To my eyes, this looks like they are used as bait- a few dead Australaisn and Dutch could easily provide an excuse for an International force to pull the Ukrainian junta’s fat out of the fire.
Surely this also marks a most dangerous step towards a hot war with Russsia?
I saw claims that the Ukrainians are sending up a story to the effect that YES they did shoot down the airliner but it was a mistake on a training exercise.
CLICK: Click Sorry, It Was Us, But We Didn’t Mean To – It Was An Accident
I doubt that the RUssians will let the Ukrainians and US get away with that load of twaddle – they already know what happened and there’s physical evidence of it.
“Translated by Valentina Lisitsa” – THAT Valentina Lisitsa?? The famous pianist? I’d love to know. Either way, thank you for your translation efforts!
That was my exact thought!
This document would explain the need to send in the FiveEye-NATO teams. Their task will be to take casualties and demand reinforcements.
The idea of peacekeepers sent by two countries that have condemned one side is unheard of.
This is worse than what Milosevic stupidly allowed, just to gain a few months of “peace”. At least the UN in Bosnia and Croatia included some actual neutrals.
Kolomojsky offered $10,000 per Moskal head. He will offer $1M per Australian and Dutch head.
This report explains the non-stop whingeing and whining from the Uke & Yank fascists in regards to “Russian interference”. They’re simply getting their Banderite arses handed to them…..and they HATE it! Things like that video yesterday of a knocked out Ukie T-64 with the charred corpses of 3 crew members alongside cannot be good for morale.
TOTAL MILITIA LOSSES
Killed in Action: 48
Wounded in Action: 64
Tanks: 2
Armoured Battle Vehicles: 0
Cool story, bro! / sarc
On a serious note: I’ve seen more destroyed DPR armored vehicles in single video frame – on the highway between Sloviansk and Krematorsk.
PS: When you fabricate documents, they have to be perceived somewhat plausible
Reality check: according to the official DPR sources there were more miltia losses during the failed attack on the Donetsk airport alone.
Credibility: zero.
Saker, you’re already preaching to the chorus.
@ ALL
By the way, I just obtained the first page of the second document (documenting Ukrainian losses) – in the translation pipeline. Anyone who wants it now can obtain it here:
https://twitter.com/dnrpress/status/492654551388807168/photo/1
Best, GB
To Anonymous 14:12, who said, “What the hell are the Malaysians doing?”
My question too. They showed tremendous defiance and bravery by going in and getting the black boxes out of the hands of the Novorossiyans, then turn around and hand it over to the Dutch, because, as they say, there were “more Dutch passengers than any other nationality”. What does that have to do with it? The plane and black boxes belong to Malaysia.
Who pressured them? And why did they cave?
@ ANONYMOUS
Oh jeez-louise, do you bother to read the documents we translate here?
You state: “Reality check: according to the official DPR sources there were more miltia losses during the failed attack on the Donetsk airport alone.”
The translated documents states: “Losses for July 9-15, 2014”
The “failed attack on the Donetsk airport” occurred when, exactly? May 26, 2014? Does that fit within the period of July 9-15, 2014, which is clearly stated in the document and in the translation?
What about that “Reality Check” and “Zero Credibility” and making “Fabricated Documents Plausible” again? Have any other comeback?
Yes, the document appears to provide figures that are difficult to be believe. But then, recall – the Ukrainian army, staffed with incompetent conscripts, boasting a dreadful infantry force, is attacking heavily fortified militias in dense residential areas and is also dying en masse in the southern cauldron.
Next time, please try better.
Kind regards,
Gleb Bazov
@Anonymous troll
First, look at the date in this document, then you can troll about Sloviansk and Kramatorsk.
On 25 July 2014 16:12 and 25 July 2014 16:18, the same anonymous Psyop wrote:
On a serious note: I’ve seen more destroyed DPR armored vehicles in single video frame – on the highway between Sloviansk and Krematorsk.
[…]
Reality check: according to the official DPR sources there were more miltia losses during the failed attack on the Donetsk airport alone.
Credibility: zero.
What is it about you American psyop operators that you all seem to have reading comprehension issues? Is it the education system, Monsanto GM foods, mortal obesity, toxic groundwater from fracking or just that the mentally challenged happen to feel attracted to spammer jobs?
Take a look at the caption. What does it say?
An Accounting of the Losses among Ukrainian Military, the Militants and the Civilians in the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions (for the period from July 9-15, 2014)
For your convenience, I marked the relevant part in bold.
What time period the figures are referring to?
1. July 9-15, 2014
Are these figures of the entire civil war?
2. Obviously no.
Conclusion: Your objections amount to little more than male bovine excrements.
PS: When you fabricate documents, they have to be perceived somewhat plausible
When you try to raise objections, make sure you do understand what you are criticising. Otherwise you will wind up looking like an idiot and after all, you do not want to embarrass the “exceptional nation” you represent with your patriotic combat mission, do you?
Б.
I would not be surprised if it turned out that most of these ‘desertions’ turned out the be conscripts killed in action…
– Тихий
Very interesting and usefu1 material. I have a feeling the banderivtsy offensive against Novorossia is about to be broken.
Thanks, Gleb Bazov.
вот так
@ at Gleb Blazov:
The translated documents states: “Losses for July 9-15, 2014”
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Ohhh I see… according to this document Ukrainian military lost 11,140 men (KIA, WIA, MIA and deserted) within five days. At this rate it will literally vanish within one week, right?
In this period Novorossiyan forces lost only 2 tanks and 0 armed vehicles – nevermind that militia reported loss of 2 tanks and 2 armed vehicles during (fai11ed) assault near Chervona Zorya alone.
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Get real, folks.
@ at Gleb Blazov:
The translated documents states: “Losses for July 9-15, 2014”
***
Ohhh I see… according to this document Ukrainian military lost 11,140 men (KIA, WIA, MIA and deserted) within five days. At this rate it will literally vanish within one week, right?
In this period Novorossiyan forces lost only 2 tanks and 0 armed vehicles – nevermind that militia reported loss of 2 tanks and 2 armed vehicles during (fai11ed) assault near Chervona Zorya alone.
***
Get real, folks.
I have to agree. These documents are likely fabrications. It is simply inconceivable that Ukraine could have suffered those casualties and still remain on the offensive.
Anonymous said…25 July, 2014 22:42
“Get real, folks.”
I’m afraid your pathetic attempt to discredit the material is too late. These documents have already been well publicised.
Дезертиры в украинской армии
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvGWTJLJP_4
Правда о потерях и состоянии украинской армии.Донбасс, Донецк, Луганск, Славянск.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNF-LcuJfIo
Do you know what the word loser means? You people should be more concerned about what next will get “leaked”. :D
Bukunin – it is important to remember that these ‘exceptional’ Americans live a very insular existence. A diet of CNN/Fox/MSN/Jerry Springer/vacuous sitcoms etc all coupled with passing through the US education system, results in an extraordinarily distorted concept of reality.
That the non-exceptional people of this world can perform a critical analysis of complex concepts is completely beyond them.
From reading the comments sections of various different websites on a variety of subjects it becomes very obvious that the American exceptionalist is obsessed by the penis/anus/mother of the current bete noire and it’s relationship with the exceptionalist’s mouth/anus.
When you try to raise objections, make sure you do understand what you are criticising. Otherwise you will wind up looking like an idiot and after all, you do not want to embarrass the “exceptional nation” you represent with your patriotic combat mission, do you?
Seriously, the Yank baboons stick to their very stable template of personality — to wit, vile, reactionary, arrogant, and unbelievably stupid. This US rendition of “the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie” will be duly appreciated among the Yank baboons themselves whenever they recognize it, and our anonymous US imbecile here knows that.
Thanks Glen.
Also good to see Saker getting exposure on Zerohedge from a user:
Fri, 07/25/2014 – 14:44 | 5004406 Pinto Currency
Ukraine looks like it may have a desertion problem and is being routed in the East:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/07/catastrophic-desertions-and-losses-in.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-25/pentagon-says-russia-preparing-transfer-powerful-weapons-ukraine
You’d have to be extremely naive, stupid or both to take these documents as anything but a crass forgery. Top secret military communications do not just fall into the hands of random bloggers. Unless, of course, you’ve a pipeline into the NSA.
The document wasn’t from some random blogger.
The number on the ukr army side seems to be on pair with all the info from battlefields. So they are proberly about accurate.
The number of “deserters” is proberly wrong. I will assume only half of the “deserters” actually deserted, the other half was either killed in combat.
Government isnt obliged to pay money for “deserters”.
So reporting more of the killed as deserters makes sense (from money perspective).
In addition some of deserters are proberly executed by the kolomoiskys batallions.
The number of militias killed is however less likely to be true.
So either fake, or the numbers are only confirmed dead militias (not unconfirmed).
I will guess dead militias is closer to 300-500 somewhere for that week.
But the militia, from videos, from reports, from events etc etc seems to be alot better tactical and strategical superior to the coup gov forced soldiers and neo-nazi batallions snd neo-nazi national guard.
Russia have not exported many menn or military equipments.
But very good military leaders (with ideals and morals) have crossed the border into ukraine.
And strong menn with alot of experience, tactical and strategical planning/experience, combined with moral and ethic the believe in. Who is fighting for defending and protecting something… Is usually alot more stronger then pure bs propaganda testerone-warmongering brainless idiots who just attacks anything.
So 10:1 in such circumstances can be plausible.
But only if avoid direct open combat episodes.
You cant fight a superior military equipment forces or superior numbers forces in direct open combat.
Use brain and smartness, pick battles, ambush, intelligence, resource-planning, underground movements, bombs, traps, encorclements, behind enemy lines, ram, destroy enemy morals, etc etc etc
The document wasn’t from some random blogger.
So what is its provenance? Why isn’t such a sensational document the main item on RT or other alternative media? Don’t the exactness of the figures, let alone their improbability, raise not the slightest suspicion?
Please check the arithmetic. If the
numbers given are correct and in
the correct order, it is 88% over
the previous period. not 47%.