Dear friends,
Here is the latest installment of my quarterly conversations with Catherine Austin Fitts. This time the topic was The Emerging Multipolar World – Seeking a US Foreign Policy with Saker. I hope you will enjoy it as much as I did.
Here is the main page of the interview: https://solari.com/blog/the-emerging-multipolar-world-seeking-a-us-foreign-policy-with-saker/
You can listen to the interview here: https://solari.com/audio/sr20170615_SakerHQ.mp3
You can get the transcript in PDF format here: https://solari.com/00archive/web/solarireports/2017/sr20170615_Saker.pdf
I highly recommend that you check out the rest of the Solari Reports and the Solari Books.
Enjoy!
The Saker
That was almost 2 hours insight, thank you for that.
Interesting that the headline talks about an ‘interview’, while the corresponding text mentions a ‘conversation’. I would qualify it as the last. Often the questions lasted longer than the answers, and quite often the answers began with ‘I completely agree with you’.
If I may give a reflection of the red lines, Catherine often repeated that ‘it’s all about the budget’ (OMG, 6.5 trillion dollars of DoD budget just ‘disappeared’), and the Saker repeated that there is no plan, no vision.
I think there is a plan and a vision. It’s PNAC and the Wolfowitz doctrine. However, it’s implemented in details without coordination.
In the meantime, the exact danger is unfolding that Brzezinzski warned about in his book ‘The Grand Chessboard’: the cooperation between Russia and China. Brzezinski believed that this would never happen, because they would never trust each other.
Now look at what’s happening, and maybe it’s time for another strategy?
There may be hope (well, let’s call it that way) that Tillerson and Lavrov seem to respect each other and get along well.
That’s already something. Too much idiotic shouting has already been done, especially in the US press (taken over without checking in almost all western MSM).
I forgot something.
To the ‘plan and vision’ thing, I might add the Oded Yinon plan: http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
The implementation remains chaotic, I agree with that.
Cheers, Rob
Yes thank you for posting…very interesting indeed.
Early on you both question whether US foreign policy is coherent, and suggest the situation involving Qatar makes no sense: that it is not in the US interest to undermine a large financial centre and important logistic partner of the US military, which is absolutely true.
I believe there is a diferent game afoot. The otherwise pointless standoff between Qatar and Saudi Arabia is perhaps being used to setup the United States for a fall, and specifically to undermine the US dollar with it’s still dominant position, and likely involving directly those who pull Donald Trump’s strings. The downfall of US dollar has been predicted for a very long time and it appears as though the plan to manipulate this process might be moving forward, under the guidance of what Charles DeGaulle once described as la perfide Albion.
First, from mouthpiece of the City of London, The Telegraph:
The UK must resist taking sides as the US and China fight for financial supremacy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/11473983/The-UK-is-stuck-in-the-middle-as-the-US-and-China-fight-it-out-for-financial-supremacy.html
Not taking sides between the US dollar and renmimbi is taking sides — the UK with China. It has been reported that during the most recent visit to the UK by Xi Xinping progress on the use of British ‘expertise’ to put the Renmimbi on an equal footing with the US dollar was agreed, a ‘service’ the UK would be willing to offer and which China would both need and perhaps covet were it seeking to rebalance the global economy and displace US financial power relatively smoothly.
It should be obvious after the 2008 so-called financial crisis the intentional takedown of the US dollar is the financial opportunity of the century — for those with the means to leverage it, i.e. the City of London finance oligarchy, in cooperation with China.
And there’s an important political angle indirectly reinforcing the thesis concerning a British plot.
Thierry Meyssan is reporting what might intially seem like an unlikely political coalition brewing, arranged by the UK of course, involving an alliance betweem Turkey, Iran, Qatar and including the Muslim Brotherhood, which Donald Trump apparently deplores and superficially based on shared perspectives on the role of political Islam. Please read the story below:
A wind of secularism blows over the Muslim world
Donald Trump’s speech in Riyadhh has sparked a wave of declarations against terrorism and against political Islam. The Arab world is expressing its thirst for secularism at the very moment that it is being misrepresented in Europe and used against religions. Faced with this breath of liberty, the British are organising the camp of political Islam around Qatar, Iran, Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article196804.html
Pleae note that at least theoretically this puts the United States/Saudi Arabia and UK on different sides, which seems unlikely but is not inconceivable and certainly creates confusion. The US and UK have had a relatively public falling out after the election of Donald Trump, over allegations of British spying on his campaign. The British are almost cetainly giving direction to the rabid anti Trump sentiments continuously expressed in super-concentrated globalist media.
Remember always, necon Zionists are agents of the UK as much as of Israel.
What I believe we are witnessing is the controlled takedown of the US dollar and a manufactured ‘crisis’ meant to lead to a significant dimuntion of US power. I believe the people behind Donald Trump, including certain sanctions maniac neocons who create the demand for a reduction of US financial power by their utterly destructive behaviour, are working on a plan which ultimately seeks to bring down the US step by step, perhaps leading to civil war and a break up of the most powerful country in the world into more managable ‘pieces,’ something favoured by many within the UK centred finance oligarchy and tried before as with during the 19th century US civil war.
As to the firing of Michael Flynn, he may be one of many people who were perceived as being unfriendly to the idea of breaking up to the United States, and on that basis ousted by the clique which sorrounds Donald Trump. Perhaps he was opposed to creating problems for the US military in Qatar, though this is pure speculation.
As to the strong support Donald Trump recieved from Wall Street during the election, major competitor of the City of London, perhaps these folks know much more than they’re letting on.
Could this also explain belligerent US behaviour in the South China Sea, including the deployment of multiple aircraft carriers, and agressive behaviour vis a vis Korea? The US government is indeed divided against itself with perhaps many in the US military not on board. Could they be threatening China for reasons not directly related to Korea or islands sitting atop hard to exploit oil? Pro Russia and pro Putin sentiment within the US military is rarely remarked upon but it is definitely present, as is the cooperation with Russia by some within the Syrian theatre and it’s sabotage by others.
Or why is Macron, tied directly to Goldman Sachs, perceived as being friendly to US interests and Donald Trump? Why did wikileaks apparently try to bring him down but only too late? In this case I suggest he may be playing the role of double agent, buddying up to useful idiot Donald Trump, the leaks being made only when his victory was assured.
One by one plug known facts into the scenario I have described and I believe you will see the outlines of a plan for the making of a new so-called multipolar world order, with opposing ‘factions’ still jockeying and which would indeed be more decentralized but would be to the benefit of those with great wealth and especially to the ‘centre’ which is still London.
The United States as a unified force and with massively powerful institutions is a potential problem for the City of London centred trans national Zionist elite, should something go awry. It is likely, I believe, we are moving closer to the end game which involves the destruction of any force capable of dealing with the highest level criminals in the aftermath of unprecedented civil strife and perhaps a great war.
The Saudi-Qatar conflict is anything but “senseless” from the America point of view, as this conflict is being instigated BY the Americans in order to maintain their global supremacy against China and Russia by destabilizing a region critical for the Eurasian Silk Road project.
Indeed, the destabilization of the greater Middle East was covertly promoted by the US Military in the form of Col. Ralph Peter’s article gleefully touting such a development as early as 2006.
Moreover, the America-instigated “Saudi” attack on Qatar is in part driven by the latter’s decision to use the Renminbi instead of the US Dollar in terms of natural gas sales to China–a mortal crime in the warped worldview of the Americans, who in a similar fashion were chewing the rug over Saddam Hussein’s decision to price Iraqi oil sales in EUROs rather in Dollars in the early 2000s.
The 2003 American aggression against Iraq was the oh-so-coincidental result of this event.
The Machiavellian Plot to Provoke Saudi Arabia and Qatar into a “Blood Border” War
http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/06/07/the-machiavellian-plot-to-provoke-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-into-a-blood-border-war/
Indeed, sowing sectarian chaos in the Middle East (and elsewhere) is precisely in America’s interest so as to maintain US Dollar Imperialism and sabotage its geopolitical challengers.
Chaos And Hegemony – How US Dollar Imperialism Dominates The World
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-14/chaos-and-hegemony-how-us-dollar-imperialism-dominates-world
Ultimately, your assertion that America is a “victim” who is being set up in this Saudi/Qatar affair stands reality on its head in Orwellian fashion.
It also reflects a favored propaganda trope peddled by pro-American “controlled opposition” shills who seek to divert attention away from America’s limitless crimes and, more importantly, its Machiavellian designs by casting the poor USA as a hapless victim.
As for the British, they are America’s Trojan Horse into organizations like the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and the Americans’ partner-in-crime in their colored coup/revolutions ops against China like the so-called Umbrella Revolution in Hong Kong. The UK’s “independence” from the United States is feigned and truly evinces its status as Perfidious Albion.
Ultimately, all factions of the Anglo American Empire are united in their lust to maintain America’s Unipolar World Order. The various pseudo-differences between Trump and his political “opponents” are only divisions about the tactics to employ in the pursuit of this broader ambition.
The views to world problems from Saker / C.A. Fitts feels often antagonistic but without adversarial low blows. Even so, they communicate on a regular basis and have respect for one another.
The dialog content is always insightful but the willingness to communicate is what I admire the most from both of them. I think it was C.A. Fitts that said something like: communication is always possible if you leave ideology out of the picture as much as you can.
I think politicians of what ideology should speak to one another about numbers and less about the ideology that backs those numbers up. All politicians both from EU + USA failed terribly in economic world affairs and should be ashamed beyond belief. Their arrogance in foisting what to do thru institutions like IMF/raping thru wars is shamefull.
Of course that would mean an end to the plunder fest.
I could not see such antagonism despite having read the whole thing. In fact, they agree most of the time, as always, what is expressed by the words, “absolutely”, “agree”, and so on. There was not debate whatsoever in the whole interview.
In fact, seemed to me like a whitewashing of Trump specially by the speeches of CAF, in a moment of low popularity/support in front of evident misdeeds.
I can hardly remember any antagonism, except when he seems to oppose Pence nomination?, but in the end they are both conservative-Christians pro-Trump, talking about the troubles the US is facing, which is far from an antagonistic position.
And I would say that being a conservative-Christian pro-Trump is indeed an ideololgy.
This just came in from ZeroHedge:
Pentagon Furious After Turkey Leaks U.S. Base Locations In Syria: “Hard Not To See This As A F-You”
I was wondering if this is a way of saying “thank you” for that coup attempt last year?
Here’s the B-Berg link:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-19/turkish-leak-of-u-s-positions-in-syria-seen-endangering-troops
I just finished listening to this (Wed. 7/19) after starting last night and having to stop. A very interesting conversation. It is always engaging to listen to intelligent people having a civil conversation even if I don’t agree with absolutely every point, or they with each other.
There were a couple of minor points I noted that I was going to comment on but they were early on and I should have noted them because now I don’t remember which they were! It happens with getting old, I guess. But toward the end you talked a little about the prospects for impeachment of Trump, and I will comment on that. I will agree with Catherine Fitts here that it is very unlikely, and I will say why.
This is somewhat lengthy and I don’t want to lecture, but I have heard you expressing concern about this on a couple of occasions, dear Saker, and I want to lay out in some detail why I think it won’t happen.
The primary reason, at present, is that the House of Representatives has a solid Republican majority and they will never vote to impeach a Republican President. They may pretend he is an “outsider,” but he really is in tune with 90 percent or more of what they want. Some of them claim to dislike him, and maybe some of them do, a little bit, but most of that is for show. They have to occasionally act like they disapprove of his “bad” language, his rudeness and incivility, or whatever for some of the folks at home.
Even if they all hated Trump’s guts and wanted Mike Pence to be President, they would not dare. As long as any significant portion of Trump’s voting base is loyal to him — and they are still very loyal — voting to impeach him would be political career suicide for any Republican. As little as 20 percent of Trump’s voting base would be enough to go into a rage and take electoral revenge on them, and he still has much more than 20 percent.
As for the Democrats, they do not want impeachment. They want to talk about impeachment, or more precisely, imply the idea of impeachment, while they keep the pot stirred and boiling with their ridiculous, hysterical Russophobic nonsense (ridiculous, but frightening too, as it could help push two nuclear superpowers into hot war). They think this will help them recapture a House majority in the 2018 midterm. Who knows? It might work. The Democrats have absolutely nothing else to run on. They stand for absolutely nothing. They have no positive program, or any program of any kind, and may not even care that much if they regain the majority, as it really is just about raising a lot of money for their campaigns.
In the event that Democrats do regain the House majority in the 2018 midterm, I don’t think that changes the analysis much. They would keep beating the “Trump-Is-Bad!” drum — if it worked in the midterm, they would assume that it would get them the Presidency in 2020. The might come up with some new idea or theme to push. It’s hard to see how they can keep spinning the Russia foolishness for that long.
You have to keep always in mind, and I am not trying to condescend here, as I’m sure you know how it works, but people sometimes may forget — impeachment is only the first step in the process of removing a President. It takes a simple majority vote of the House of Representatives, but that is followed by a “trial” in the Senate (I use the scare quotes because the Clinton impeachment trial in the 1990s was an embarrassing and humiliating farce for the United States, and a Trump trial probably would be also). Conviction in such a trial and removal from office requires a supermajority in that body, or 67 Senators. That seems virtually inconceivable. I think Trump would have to commit some unimaginably ghastly crime for that to occur.
If anything, I actually think that a 25th Amendment scenario would happen before a successful impeachment, trial, and conviction in the Senate. Still very unlikely.
This is all independent of whether I think impeachment would be a good idea or a bad idea. I just don’t think it’s likely to happen.
I guess from the amount of comments – most people haven’t listened to this – too bad – this is such a fantastic conversation – which is much better than an interview – although this is a question and answer – she obviously asks the questions – not the other way around –
Anyway its too bad that this readership is not into more educated conversations – CAF is definitely one of the highest educated and knowledgeable alternative commentators on the web.
I think that City of London is in charge – Rothschilds and the Royal family – richest people in the world and definitely part of the Deep State –
Israel is important now because the City of London thinks its in their best interest to have it that way
Ann,
Don’t put too much emphasis on geographic locations, theese folks live in different world. They can be anywhere on the globe in hours, money transferred in milli seconds. Completely isolated from their slaves. They live in sterile environments ( literally, I know of what I speak )
paranoid neurotics, fear discovery and the wrath they deserve.
Tillerson and Ben Carson – I like Ben Carson too – I hope –
and I really like the idea – does this country need a standing army – fantastic Saker’s comment