By Ramin Mazaheri – for The Saker Blog
Looking back, why was there such a huge, swift economic collapse after 9/11? Doesn’t it seem to have been totally unjustified?
After all, there was no drastic global reordering, no Armageddon, no World War III. The biggest consequence was the legalisation of the 21st century Western security state, which dwarfs anything the KGB could have waged, but from an economic point of view there was absolutely nothing which justified the enormous economic downturn and its accompanying pessimism.
So what were we worried about? The economic threat caused by Islamic radicalism?
There is not (and has never been) any major threat to the global order/economy from Islamic radicals – there is no such widespread movement, period. Iranian Islamic Socialism is indeed a threat to Western capitalism-imperialism, but only an idiot, racist, Islamophobe and/or general nutcase would equate the two; Iranian Islamic Socialism only asks to be allowed to democratically experiment inside Iran in peace.
So what were we worried about? Quite justifiably, was it the economic fallout to be caused by how terribly neo-imperial Rome (the US) would react?
The US did not launch thermonuclear war in revenge. The response was – by the Pentagon’s satanic standards – only earth-shattering in two spots of the globe: The US occupied a totally poor country with very little tapped oil (but a lot of opium-production potential) – Afghanistan – and they occupied an oil-rich former client which had been decimated by two decades of Western-ordered war and inhuman Western sanctions – Iraq. Bad for Muslims? Of course. Bad for “Capitalism with Western characteristics”? Not hardly. (After all, capitalist-imperialist war is always profitable for the aggressors’ elite.) The subsequent phony “War on Terror” was ultimately bad for the US taxpayer, sure, but who in the US 1% cares about them?
So what were we worried about? The economic threat posed by the entrenchment of an existential fear which would cause people to refuse to get out of bed in the morning? Clearly, I am reaching… because I just can’t think of anything else.
The horrible thing that was supposed to happen simply never happened.
Yet the economy did crater, and everyone is now reading stuff like, “(this latest economic statistic) is the worst since 9/11.” But while the economic downturn was sharp it wasn’t prolonged.
High finance is always ahead of everyone else in understanding macro-economic trends and truths: the rich unlocked their gates in the Hamptons and it took only two months for the Dow Jones to regain its pre-9/11 levels. However, it took crude oil prices a year to regain pre-9/11 levels ($40/barrel) because people were slow to realise that the huge economic depression (sparked by the reduced economic activity which many said 9/11 was certain to provoke) did not materialise.
The only industry which was correctly hurt by 9/11 was insurance (but to hell with them). The downturns in the two other most affected industries – airlines and tourism – were provoked by the false, hysterical idea that the (nonexistent) Islamic radical movement were going to kamikaze more planes/bloody flag-waving Americans would be dropping bombs on beaches and hotels.
Yes, economic sentiment was justifiably a bit pessimistic back then because 9/11 exacerbated the already-in-progress 2001 recession, which had been caused by the totally unjustified Y2K hysteria.
Is anybody identifying a Western trend here yet?
(I mean, besides the West’s comedians? From “America’s Finest News Source”, The Onion: Historians Politely Remind Nation To Check What’s Happened In Past Before Making Any Big Decisions)
But the coronavirus… this time it’s different Ramin
Indeed, in the sense that the entire world has gone hysterical and not just the evangelist, paranoid Americans.
I feel totally justified to call it “corona hysteria” because nobody can convince me that corona is as very terrible as it seems. The data is simply not there. It might be, but as of the writing of this article nobody can claim for certain that it is there.
In this very good article from The Spectator – How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear: There is room for different interpretations of the data – which was penned by a recently-retired Professor of Pathology and NHS (UK) consultant pathologist. He notes some very basic logic concepts are being ignored even though the ultimate policy question is, “How truly lethal is this virus?”
- Health care and science are fields fundamentally characterised by doubt rather than certainty, contrary to what doctors on TV are insisting.
- Testing regimes based in hospitals will always overestimate virulence: they are dealing only with the worst cases, not with the masses of asymptomatic cases of infection.
- Most crucially, many are inflating the death tolls because the vast majority of respiratory deaths in the UK were not historically recorded as being caused by the flu, but recorded as bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age or a similar designation… but now the deaths are being being listed as due to Covid-19.
- The obvious proof that we lack solid data, on which we must base policy decisions, is evidenced by the wide range of reported national mortality rates: 7% for Spain, 4% for France, 1% for the US. The author says the best example nation we could look at is Iceland: mortality is 0.3%, which is slightly above the normal 0.1% for flu but definitely not a repeat of the Spanish Flu of 1918.
- Rushed science is bad science. However, the MSM is demanding “science now”.
- The average age of death in Italy is 79, compared with an average Italian life expectancy of 83. Am I heartless to report this? No, because I am not advocating ending self-responsibility measures for the vulnerable and the possibly infected.
The most interesting country to watch is Sweden (and Mexico and Brazil), who alone in Europe have not locked down. They haven’t done absolutely nothing, but their corona policy is relying on self-responsibility. Compare the treatment of Sweden from the non-MSM financial website ZeroHedge with the panic-inducing, hysterical treatment by fake-leftist UK media The Guardian. Sadly, the latter gets exponentially more eyeballs than an indispensable site like ZeroHedge.
So I just won’t be browbeaten into agreeing that corona is so exceptionally deadly – that might be proven one day, but anybody who says it has already been proven is pushing bad, unproven science. Corona sceptics are falsely attacked by those rushing to judgement, but the ex-doc/prof defends our scepticism quite capably:
‘The moral debate is not lives vs money. It is lives vs lives.’
Yes, because bad economics kills. Austerity kills. Neoliberalism kills. So I’ll stick with my analysis: there is an economic overreaction going on with corona similar to what happened after Y2K and the attacks on 9/11. However, the corona overreaction is way, way, WAY more shocking:
“The immediate impact of the 9/11 attack was to reduce (in the US) real GDP growth in 2001 by 0.5%, and to increase the unemployment rate by 0.11% (reduce employment by 598,000 jobs.)” (found here)
Goldman Sachs, which is more concerned about a high finance recovery than a real economy recovery, just optimistically estimated (but pessimistically when compared with their previous estimate) a jobless rate topping out at 15% and GDP sagging by a record 34% in the second quarter, followed by only a 19% rebound in the third quarter.
Such projections are… incomprehensibly bad. But especially so because we don’t even know how deadly corona truly is. The idea that such a self-induced downturn isn’t going to cause huge amounts of death, poverty and even more sickness is not just wilfully naive but dangerously wrong.
Have you never heard the expression: We’re all just 9 meals from murder? Surely, LOL, this cynical saying is especially true for people who don’t do Ramadan (which begins April 23!).
Again, socialist-inspired countries like China, Iran and Cuba control the levers of their economies for the benefit of their masses and will pull those levers – but India? The perma-stagnant Eurozone? The dog-eat-dog US? Think Iran isn’t used to war, a command economy, and unnatural impositions imposed by ruthless stifling (sanctioning) forces? I raise my scepticism because because bad economics kills, and the West especially is full of terrible economics which attack their lower classes.
“But Ramin, you are the only open Islamic Socialist I have ever heard of and, what’s worse, you work for the Iranian government. Nobody was listening to you before – because you espouse these undoubtedly nutty ideologies – and certainly nobody is listening to you now. ”
Tell me something I don’t know!
Doesn’t make me wrong, though. Doesn’t mean I should be writing human interest reports about how to cope with corona-boredom instead of writing this article.
I am drawing attention to the fact that the West – despite all their wealth, and despite their constant proclamations of being the self-appointed defenders of human rights – does not have the socialist-inspired, lower class-protecting economic safeguards to take these drastic shutdown measures. Furthermore, while The Washington Post is now running horse-is-out-of-the-barn articles such as The coronavirus crisis is exposing how the economy is not as strong as it seemed, for years I have repeatedly been among the relatively few journalists reporting about how the Western economy is even more over-leveraged in 2020 than during the 2008 crisis, which was caused by over-leveraging, so… there’s that to deal with, too.
I don’t mean to stoke economic hysteria – all the West and their client state admirers have to do is implement socialist-style measure after socialist-style measure over the next few months, and then my worries here will have proven to be unfounded.
A radical 180 from TINA – There Is No Alternative (to neoliberalism)? It’s not an impossibility… technically.
The next few months will certainly demand it.
If we could add the West’s false Y2K hysteria to their false 9/11 hysteria and then multiply it by the 2008 economic crisis, then we can get start to imagine what the West is stampeding themselves towards economically.
Socialist-inspired countries like Iran, China and Cuba should do what they have always done – hold on tight. The West’s corona hysteria will only push them more in favor of the big-government, socialist-inspired policies they have already (thankfully) adopted, anyway. That process may take years, when it needs to take mere months.
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Corona contrarianism? How about some corona common sense? Here is my list of articles published regarding the corona crisis, and I hope you will find them useful in your leftist struggle!
Capitalist-imperialist West stays home over corona – they grew a conscience?
Corona meds in every pot & a People’s QE: the Trumpian populism they hoped for?
A day’s diary from a US CEO during the Corona crisis (satire)
MSNBC: Chicago price gouging up 9,000% & the sports-journalization of US media
Tough times need vanguard parties – are ‘social media users’ the West’s?
If Germany rejects Corona bonds they must quit the Eurozone
Landlord class: Waive or donate rent-profits now or fear the Cultural Revolution
Ramin Mazaheri is the chief correspondent in Paris for Press TV and has lived in France since 2009. He has been a daily newspaper reporter in the US, and has reported from Iran, Cuba, Egypt, Tunisia, South Korea and elsewhere. He is the author of the books ‘I’ll Ruin Everything You Are: Ending Western Propaganda on Red China’ and the upcoming ‘Socialism’s Ignored Success: Iranian Islamic Socialism’.
I agree with this author. 110%
Switch off the TV if you wish to avoid going insane about this “crisis.”
Seriously folks, study the 1918 Flu, go to youtube and find the videos and watch, and read the books. ( Search “1918 pandemic” )
1.) All vectors for the flu, in&out were by the military, who ignored 600K deaths in USA, more USA people died than all the wars of the era. Entire USA fleets going in&out of USA ( just like now ) were death ships, where more people died on the boats imprisoned below deck, than died on the front after landing.
2.) Some places locked down, some didn’t just like now. Philadelphia was the worse went ahead with a MIL parade, turned the city into a morgue. Some city’s like San-Fran locked down early, and had little problems, except on the 2nd & 3rd wave they got hit. That’s very important here, there is always 3+ waves, so even if you miss the first wave, be leary.
3.) In the past 20 years dozens of researchers have found frozen corpses from the 1918 flu, and brought the virus back to life
4.) No place on earth was safe, like now the world was covered with USA bases, and that time was a real war, now is just abby-normal to have 600+ bases; Everywhere there was a base, the locals got infected and 50% died, even remote Alaska inuit eskimos near USA bases saw entire villages die.
What I find interesting is that like the Bonus-Boyz slaughtered by tanks and machine-guns on the white-house steps, this stuff is not taught. The entire reason that 600K USA people died in 1918-1919 is because the gov didn’t give a hell.
The moral of the story, is just like now, stay far away from any USA base, or any base that has USA soldiers mixing. During the 1918 pandemic US-MIL locked 1,000’s of soldiers in rail-cars and shipped them across country where all infected locals along the way most died in transit, and then they infected everyone at the destination. Today the politicians are even more spineless, and more vindictive.
Corona = Lehman + (9/11)
The virus could kill anywhere from 100,000 to 6 million people in the United States alone.
The death toll will be somewhere in that range, ranging from best to worst case scenario.
Many of the dead will be young people with no health complications, as the virus has shown it can kill plenty of those at random intervals as well.
These people are fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, aunts, uncles, and somebody’s child. Would you sacrifice the lives of both of your parents just so that the fake Wall Street & Billionaire-run economy can keep on chugging and the elite can continue to suck us dry? How about your own child?
This Coronavirus is bringing the change the world so desperately needs. Hopefully, it will wake people up out of their stupor and realize that Crony Capitalism is the real virus that has sucked us all dry for far too long now. Things can’t go back to normal after this, and I hope it doesn’t. So many of us are nothing more than slaves who only work to barely survive while making the rich richer. We need an entirely new system and an entirely new way of living. So if you ask me, let it all burn to the ground. There is no way that whatever rises from the ashes won’t be worse than the joke of an “economy” and “capitalist society” we have now.
And no, I won’t be sacrificing the lives of my friends, parents, and relatives just so Goldman can keep profiting off their labor. Thank you.
Yes, it will get worse, the system will remain the same, the cost of living will rise, there is/are no mechanism(s) to change anything.
Nope the only constant is change and ending of things, the U.S. is no different, the dollar is no different, neither is capitalisim.
Yet in order for something to end, something else must begin, and since even the latter in not in sight, one should not fear the former leaving anytime soon either.
There is no chance of that in the universe. It’s probably useless but take a look at my comment at the end, and the link where the data is analyzed in a very simple way (if you have any ability at mathematics). Deaths in the US are projected to be ~ 15,000 … it’s early and could be off by a factor of 2 or 3, but keep in mind, that there are 2.8 million deaths in the US, every year.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has very clear instructions for describing and listing cause of death. The stated reasons for these instructions are also very clear:
“Accurate cause-of-death information is important: • To the public health community in evaluating and improving the health of all citizens, and
• Often to the family, now and in the future, and to the person settling the decedent’s estate.
It seems to me that these guidelines are not being followed, with the result that the situation the instructions are meant to prevent are indeed occurring: the statistics are confusing and don’t refer to the same things consistently and are creating a false record that hinders correct evaluation of the disease’s effects and actual dangers.”
I believe that anyone who talks about mortality figures must make him- or herself familiar with the very specific instructions on the U.S. Dept. of health and Human Services Blue Form for reporting cause of death—officially, “Instructions for Completing the Cause-of-Death Section of the Death Certificate .”
Read every line of it:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf
At the top are these instructions:
“The cause-of-death section consists of two parts. Part I is for reporting a chain of events leading directly to death, with the immediate cause of death (the final disease, injury, or complication directly causing death) on Line a and the underlying cause of death (the disease or injury that initiated the chain of morbid events that led directly and inevitably to death) on the lowest used line. Part II is for reporting all other significant diseases, conditions, or injuries that contributed to death but which did not result in the underlying cause of death given in Part I. The cause-of-death information should be YOUR best medical OPINION. A condition can be listed as “probable” even if it has not been definitively diagnosed.”
It seems to me that the corona virus would likely be listed in Part II of the form:
“PART II. Enter other significant conditions contributing to death but not resulting in the underlying cause given in PART I. ”
Seems like in many, many cases of death, the virus was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
All contributory factors in death must be listed.
Look at the final section:
“When processes such as the following are reported, additional information about the etiology should be reported: ”
One of the processes is respiratory failure.
I for one hope that someone is analyzing the actual blue forms of all “Covid” deaths to see whether they have been correctly filled out, and if so, what they actually say.
I think incorrectly filling out the blue form may be quite common. An anecdote: My father died, in a nursing home in Alameda County, CA. I had spent the night with him there, and thought he was going to wake up in the morning. The nurse who came on duty at 6 a.m. told me he was not going to wake up, he was going to die. This nurse told me my father had aspiration pneumonia. He did die very shortly thereafter. The blue form was filled out by a doctor who had never actually seen my father. The cause of death was listed as “cognitive failure.” I knew that that was BS. I had already become familiar with the blue form after my mother’s death. On that form the cause of death was “old age.” i knew that this also was BS. but in that case it was too late to do anything about it. I refused to release my father’s body for cremation until the blue form cause of death was changed to respiratory failure due to aspiration pneumonia. Of course the doc didn’t want that cause of death listed because it reflects poorly on the nursing home and could affect the home’s evaluation (aspiration pneumonia is a common cause of death in nursing homes).
What I am saying is that we have to be vigilant in understanding possible problems in who fills out the blue form, and how. It may be done by a doc who has never even seen the patient and doesn’t really know the etiology of the disease, or is under pressure to misstate the cause of death as would be mandated by the blue form instructions.
Katherine
“Aspiration pneumonia is a lung infection that develops after you aspirate (inhale) food, liquid, or vomit into your lungs. You can also aspirate food or liquid from your stomach that backs up into your esophagus.”
And how many of the ‘coronavirus’ deaths in Italy could be caused by neglect & bad care? – Because and Italian observer says they were abandoned by their carers and then hospital staff:
In recent weeks most of the Eastern European nurses who worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week supporting people in need of care in Italy have left the country in a hurry. This is not least because of the panic-mongering and the curfews and border closures threatened by “emergency governments”. As a result, old people in need of care and disabled people, some without relatives, were left helpless by their carers.
Many of these abandoned people then ended up after a few days in the hospitals, which had been permanently overloaded for years, because they were dehydrated, among other things. Unfortunately, the hospitals lacked the personnel who had to look after the children locked up in their apartments because schools and kindergartens had been closed. This then led to the complete collapse of the care for the disabled and elderly, especially in those areas where even harder “measures” were ordered, and to chaotic conditions.
The nursing emergency, which was caused by the panic, temporarily led to many deaths among those in need of care and increasingly among younger patients in the hospitals. These fatalities then served to cause even more panic among those in charge and the media…
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest
I can tell you that aspiration pneumonia develops very, very quickly.
Perhaps more quickly than other types, or perhaps that should be causes, of pneumonia.
That I cannot say because I have no other experience.
In my father’s case, I saw him two days before he died. He had a deep cough, but only very occasional. Maybe every ten minutes. I had no idea that this was a symptom. Otherwise he was normal. I was ignorant and didn’t know that any cough in an elderly person needs to be considered a possibly serious symptom.Then I didn’t see him the next day because I was taking care of bureaucratic details from closing down his apartment. I had been FORCED by circumstances to move him to a nursing home. I didn’t want to do so. I had read the statistics as to how quickly the elderly go downhill and die once moved to a nursing home situation. But I knew nothing about aspiration pneumonia as a cause of many of such deaths. I had never heard of it.
However, my father was scheduled to get two visits that day, so it was good timing to deal with these admin issues, which had to be taken care of while I was in California. One visit was from an amateur volunteer, who noted that cough (I later read in her notes), and one was from a nursing professional (RN), who made no note of it.
WTF?
I got a call that night that he was on a respirator. When I got there his breathing was gurgling. I won’t go into any other details except to note the extreme rapidity with which this pneumonia developed. And none of the personnel recognized the symptom that I later realized meant he had material in his lungs that he couldn’t get out with the cough and that was a feedstock for the pneumonia bacteria.
It seems possible to me that some number of the Italian patients died of pneumonia that they contracted in the hospital.
One further factoid regarding aspiration pneumonia is that one common way that food gets into the lungs in the first place is via feeding the patient, instead of letting the patient feed him- or herself. It is natural to try to help when this is difficult for the patient (i.e., difficulty holding an eating utensil). But when someone else feeds a patient the person often does it too fast: puts too much food in the patient’s mouth or adds another bite too soon. The chewing and swallowing process gets overwhelmed and discoordinated. And food goes into the lungs. So if you have an elderly parent etc. try to get that person to feed him- or herself, even if eating with fingers, rather than trying to help the person by feeding him or her.
Katherine
Thanks Ramin. Economically I agree with you in that the economic patterns are exactly the same with the three events that you mention. We see it clearly – the massive move of money now is truly forced austerity with bailouts for the rich and famous and very large industry. In the US smaller business can apply for loans. Big Nationals or Multi-Nationals get the money anyways.
As far as the virus is concerned I don’t fully agree with you because the numbers are screwed. But the myth that it is only the oldies is falling fast (and who says we must simply not care for the oldies), the myth that it is something that one recovers from quickly is also falling fast in terms of post disease lung pics, showing shattered lungs, after a person is supposed to be healthy and recovered.
Mexico closed down today .. they were not serious before and had a light set of guidelines in place. Did not help and they are now under hard quarantine. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/national-coronavirus-emergency-declared/ All non-essential activities suspended. And if we believe it which I do, Mexico is changing over to a socialist model.
The same happened in South Africa, few cases and then it became runaway and they are under hard quarantine for a month or 3 weeks or so, now I believe with lots of military enforcement.
Ecuador, despite being light handed initially have certain areas under hard quarantine.
The curve for Sweden is now rising exponentially. (While the numbers are highly questionable everywhere, I grant you).
I think it is too early to declare ‘how bad’, or not ‘how bad’, different, or not different. I also think the language that we are being given to use, is almost brainwashing us not to care. We are being desensitized with all these words – co-morbidity, its only the oldies, the young will recover, ‘herd’ immunity and so on.
So we can go through the countries that were initially light handed and one by one they go into some kind of hard quarantine with only essential activities allowed to continue. Are all these countries stupid? (Rhetorical question :-)
Anyway, I don’t think there is a debate yet, bad numbers, no science, but there is a need for journalling all this, as you’ve so excellently done for us here. Yet for me, it is too early to come to any conclusions, excepting on the economics where we can ‘see the size of the sucking sound’ more easily in the West. (I do admit that I am not volunteering to help in a hospital where they are treading Covid-19 patients).
Dear Amarynth
I think it is time for some facts re the virility and dangers of this virus, and I address this to you particularly because you are in the natural therapy field and have an understanding of things in this context.
See my link below with regard to homoeopathy’s role in the treatment of epidemics as well as the dangers of all drug use in the treatment of CV – this latter point explains the so-called complications of the infection that you have mentioned in your post.
It is known that most people who took aspirin during the Spanish Flu as a rule developed pneumonia and died, pneumonia being the single most dangerous outcome/sequelae of influenza by far – this is confirmed by every knowledgeable health worker, be it allopathic or otherwise. The modern drugs of Pharma are no better than aspirin – yes – “cure the disease but kill the patient”, is the old adage amongst those who have experience in this area.
Further, I was greatly impressed by your appeal to Saker to continue the discourse.
My reason for agreeing with you in this regard is that this epidemic must be viewed in the light of our fight against the AZ Empire. This is because allopathic medicine is probably the single most dangerous weapon in The Empire’s arsenal – more powerful than any military, propaganda or even economic warfare. The fictitious benefits of pharma medicine has even most of us fooled – people who stand against this unipolar world. See also another link below regarding the Rockerfellers’ intimate role in developing parma drugs and the model of the healthcare system in the US.
Further, eminent contributors on this site praise vaccines to the skies, thinking that they will save humanity. Nothing can be further from the truth. Vaccines will create, and are creating, a mass of damaged people who stand little chance of truly maximising their inherent potential – autism has exploded, as well as a host of other chronic diseases due to vaccines. The literature on this is huge and undeniable.
Here is a link re autism and vaccines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehyR_JtT9ew
Most people need to wake up – fast – on this issue. I hope that they do for all our sakes.
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgxwHMZQrXwWVmqztncpcrVfJKZlc
https://www.sueyounghistories.com/2007-08-28-john-davison-rockefeller-senior-and-homeopathy/
There is mass misunderstanding in the community about our “health” systems, we assume they are to promote health but in reality there are to promote and maximize profit. Some very effective drugs are available for emergency responses and brilliant surgical techniques for trauma, and short term that is what it should be dealing with. However as a long term program the system is about hooking you on drugs that need to be constantly purchased, life little different to a junkie.
Long term we need the basics of lifestyle and harmless herbs for minor afflictions. Vaccines are the greatest and most profitable con of all, and thoroughly believed by 95% of people. My daughter in her nursing course was told by half her lecturers new types are doubtful and doctors themselves that they wont vaccinate their own families. Do some real research, its not pretty. Yet of course we are all waiting for the corona vaccine to save us.
I find it amazing that so many alt sites are cynical of our for profit political system, financial system, military industrial system, media, junk and GMO foods, but, but the health system is totally uncorrupted and trustworthy. It is run by mega-corporations, it is just another wheel in the cog.
Ramin
Spot on comment.
I have been in health for over 30 years as a primary care practitioner and am still amazed at the amazingly successful brainwashing that has occurred even amongst some of the best and brightest.
But it’s not about being bright – it is about knowing one’s history of the “health care” system, and I have discovered that hardly anyone knows even the slightest thing about our history. See links in my previous post here.
Whenever I go to the doctor, which is very rare–I haven’t been near a doc for over two years—they ask me to list my medications. It isn’t “Do you take any medications regularly?” but “Just list them.”
When I write “0” they are amazed. In particular I guess considering my age (senior). I always say “Why would I be taking medications? There is nothing wrong with me.”
Just to put the flea in the ear of these medical professionals that taking medications on a regular basis in not normal.
Thanks to Ramin for continuing to call out the hysteria mongers.
What is the real agenda here?
Katherine
@ Yuri
Pharma is a weapon. Absolutely! I nearly lost my life because of what was done to me by the agents of pharma. It changed my life. It made me rethink every aspect of what I was taught throughout my early life. For me, there is categorically no way back – I know where my enemies are, how they operate, and how they think. Pharmakeia, often translated from Greek as sorcery. Those who specialized in cooking of poisons were called pharmacists. Think about the symbol of chalice with a snake twined around its stem and poised above it. Think about it in the context of
Pharmakeia. There are numerous ways of designing symbols and choosing names to signify healing, yet they chose this one. The Bowl of Hygieia, the serpent, the shedding of skin and etc, etc.
A Chinese friend mispronounced them as psudopharmicals.
He had it right
Ramin…you said…
“I feel totally justified to call it “corona hysteria” because nobody can convince me that corona is as very terrible as it seems. The data is simply not there. It might be, but as of the writing of this article nobody can claim for certain that it is there.”
With all due respect what will it take then for it to dawn on you as to the seriousness of this outbrea? Take the US as an example. Will it be 50,000 deaths 100,000…perhaps 200,000 before you realize that this is serious. Very serious.
I just this minute checked the US death toll and its sits at 4600. Please note that the doubling rate of deaths for the US consistently sits at around 3 days. So let’s keep the maths simple by rounding it back to 4000….if this doubling rate continues at this pace the US would be on track for 64,000 deaths by April 14 and 128,000 3 days later on the 17th!
I respectfully request that you start following Chris Martenson’s work and get up to speed on how geometric progression rates work rather than attempting to trivialise a situation that is quite clearly potentially the most serious health situation humanity has ever faced.
Yes the economic consequences are indeed terrible and likely to outlast the health challenge. However the head in the sand approach will only make both aspects multiples worse. The only way to slow this disastrous spread is to change our social habits. This will absolutely have a negative affect economically especially in the short term. However refusing to accept reality and not addressing the spread rate will make matters far worse and dramatically increase the ultimate mortality rate.
Trivialising the current situation is dangerous and irresponsible. This will ultimately help to add to the already disastrously trending death toll.
Regards from the south seas
Col
https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-the-economic-rescue-is-shafting-us/
also an earlier one from March 31
https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-the-economic-rescue-is-shafting-us/
The common Flu kills 250,000 – 500,000 EVERY YEAR around the world.
But we don’t lock down the world every year for it.
We don’t have a running commentary on the news all Winter long of all the flu deaths.
Yes COVID-19 is real & people are really dying from it.
But lock down the WHOLE WORLD???????
No, I think there is something off here, something more is going on that we’re not privvy to.
Exactly Maiden PEI.
“…rather than attempting to trivialise a situation that is quite clearly potentially the most serious health situation humanity has ever faced.”
What? That’s not clear at all, NZ farmer. This is worse than the Black Plague?
Great article again Mazaheri – don’t be shamed into believing nonsense.
“The common Flu kills 250,000 – 500,000 EVERY YEAR around the world.”
According to worldometer website, there have been approx. 46,000 deaths most of them in the month of March. Extrapolating, this monthly March figure translates into 12x 46000 = approx. 552,000 deaths per year.
So worse than the flu, and this is with all the measures in place, social distancing, quarantine etc.
Btw for those who think flu doesn’t exist in summer, the second wave of the 1918 pandemic- which was worse than first- hit in August.
Also, putting aside mortality, what about long term effects in survivors? Those who have permanently impaired lung function..? I also saw an alarming small-scale study that discovered the virus can bind to cells the urinary tract and lowered testosterone production in men. Does the common flu virus do this as well?
@Serbian Girl
You write: According to worldometer website, there have been approx. 46,000 deaths most of them in the month of March. Extrapolating this monthly March figure translates into 12x 46000 = approx. 552,000 deaths per year.
However, extrapolating the March figure is merely an assumption on you part, that I respectfully suggest is not justified, because if you consult the death rates caused by influenza in prior years, you will see that peak deaths increase rapidly from January to March and then sharply decrease thereafter from April to December.
Maiden/Franklin
Right…let me check back with you both in 14 days time then.
People were saying over 3 weeks ago that U.S. hospitals were being overrun with coronavirus patients – instead people are NOW finding hospitals near EMPTY ALL ACROSS THE U.S.
This even includes New York. The mayor claimed a hospital was overrun but individuals who went there with a camera showed it was not in the least.
They also have been furloughing nurses and medical personnel and hospitals are even CLOSING floors. Since they stopped “elective” surgeries the hospitals are not having much business.
Meanwhile CBS news used footage that had earlier been used for an Italian hospital. So they had to recycle old footage to try and make New York hospitals look overwhelmed.
They are doing a big psy ops war with this and it is all done to control the people as they sink the world’s economies to subvert them to a globalist government.
Research UN Agenda 21 which was a 1992 agreement of 178 countries. The governments of these countries agreed to that goal.
They are fear-mongering and claiming many who died from other things as ‘coronavirus’ deaths – INCLUDING those who’ve been found to test negative, but had earlier had a false positive.
Good note summary of exactly the info i took the time today to research & watch, i first heard rumors of this as a psy-ops drill/simulation fully 2 weeks ago.
Then we had the Pompous Ass slip up in that live conference, saying it (simulation) was ‘live’.
Many sources out there claiming that the fall 2019 annual flu shot was so disgustingly aggressively peddled even compared to other years because they knew what was in it of course, & it is absolutely meant to give false positives for this beer virus, to jack up the hysteria.
Mar31
Dana Ashlie
citizen video of vacant hospital, incl. parking lot area, yet this sign propped against a dumpster:
https://youtu.be/5pIMD1enwd4?t=747
Any vids by Amazing Polly very impacting:
APR2
Real World or Simulation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAnSkQojE_4
Watch how many times they wave that word right under the denizens of Planet Dumkopf’s nose everywhere, yet few even notice.
watch the obvious script-reading zombies speak out their garbage, in monotones devoid of any inflections or emotion considering what they claim to have gone through. Also note zero evidence on their faces any exhaustion symptoms themselves.
Saw that, too,where hospitals usa burning through cash like mad, because no business from usual elective (all cancelled), but no patients on any of the floors for these virus patients, either. so unless the traitors end this to get people back to work gd soon, there won’t be any small businesses OR hospitals left to re-open.
George Webb vid out AM Apr3/2020, main bit interesting info is early in it where he states that the hospital ship Comfort (there’s two), capacity 2000 beds each, huge press on its travel & arrival….yet as of this date has TWENTY ‘patients’ on it sitting in ny harbor!?
one of his worst long near incoherent ramblings i’ve heard so far, unfortunately listened to all of it.
APR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWhbxJRTtcc
CBS Mike Wallace Expose 1976 Swine Flu Hysteria & Vaccine Fraud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG6I5dn0b3k
80% of infected are asymptomatic
Maiden
Please read my post again…nowhere did I advocate “lock down the WHOLE WORLD??????”
Col, your recommendation regarding Chris Martenson is a good one. Exponential growth is counter-intuitive to many people.
Just looking at the growth rate, not the absolute numbers, it is clear that this is a multiplicative, exponential phenomenon Not sure how one can compare this to 9/11, Y2k or a fire or AIDS (which isn’t airborne.)
Serbian Girl
Albert Bartlett said …“The Greatest Shortcoming of the Human Race is Our Inability to Understand the Exponential Function”
The “do nothing because it’s only a hoax” brigade is just another example of this phenomenon.
This will be like the football stadium analogy….
Add 1 ml of water to any stadium in the world. Assume the stadium is watertight and then start to add double the amount every minute. Minute 2 add 2mls, minute 3 add 4 ml, etc. Then imagine that you are handcuffed to your seat but you are in the very top row of the stadium…
Questions…
#1How long before you drown?
Answer between 37 and 45 minutes depending on how big the stadium is. Even if you doubled the volume of the stadium that only makes a difference of 1 minute.
#2 How long do you have by the time you realise that there is a wee bit of water around and that you should consider getting out of your handcuffs to avoid drowning?
Answer…roughly 5 minutes.
Cheers
Col
I just checked in on worldometers and the US death toll was 8449.
This represents is a doubling time of 4 hours short of 3 days from the 4600 in the above post
Remember the reported deaths stood at a mere 150 back on March 19 so the doubling rate is worse than 3 days for that period. The trend is very clear. I am sorry to say this but that extends out to more than 70,000 deaths by mid-April.
Richard Haas of the Council on Foreign Relations, a major political mouthpiece of the American Empire, compared COVID-19 with 9-11.
Haas is right—but not in the manner that he asserts.
Like 9-11, COVID-19 is the propaganda pretext to push through agendas that have little to do with public safety.
These agendas include expansion of America’s existing police state; justifying 2 Minutes of Hate Campaigns against foreign nations as part of America’s global Hybrid War rampage; and most especially bailing out a bankrupt economy and financial system.
Indeed, COVID-19 is the Black Swan Event for shifting blame for the collapse of the American Ponzi Scheme economy and world financial system—both of which were hurtling towards imminent collapse *before* this virus conveniently happened.
Wall Street Had Cut 68,000 Jobs and Received Trillions in Emergency Loans Prior to COVID-19 Anywhere in the World
https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/04/wall-street-had-cut-68000-jobs-and-received-trillions-in-emergency-loans-prior-to-covid-19-anywhere-in-the-world/
Stimulus Bill Allows Federal Reserve to Conduct Meetings in Secret; Gives Fed $454 Billion Slush Fund for Wall Street Bailouts
https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/03/stimulus-bill-allows-federal-reserve-to-conduct-meetings-in-secret-gives-fed-454-billion-slush-fund-for-wall-street-bailouts/
The Roman Empire is finally about to fall.
Hope so … it’s long overdue.
Sensible article, Ramin, And that (especially your questions) are much more needed……….than anything else.
Because YES, a world depression will almost certainly kill 1000 times more persons than COVID 19. Although it could certainly participate in the slaughter……the COVID deaths in the later part of 2020 could be more attributed to economic devastation……..as the first case……just as it was in the late 1300s Black Plague that is said to have killed 1/3 of various European populations.
Weakening of the populations through oligarchic banking squeezing living standards, especially nutrition….. is what set that slaughter up, nearly 800 years ago.
Today there are a lot more questions than answers, but there ARE a few knowns to questions you ask.
For one any expert, professional market trader will tell you that volatility is the great friend of the hedge fund managers and banks.….and deadly to the “little guy” who has neither the time nor the inclination to find out how the shearing, the fleecing of the sheep (themselves) is a programmed part of the news media, the opinion of their friends and family….and so forth.
These people are almost always “long” the market…whether enjoying the ride…or getting killed by it and have hardly ANY idea of timing anything.
Therefore, there is a huge incentive for the sharpsters to spook the markets every 8-12 years or so: Declines are a lot sharper than market climbs…..happen MUCH faster ……and more money can be made in the drops per week, per month then than in the bull runs…..by a very wide margin.
Another thing that is known with certainty is that those who run casinos……..do so in order to set the odds in their favor.
They figure they can’t lose by herding more sheep and pension funds and 401-K money into the markets…..to buy high when they need to sell…..and sell low when they are interested in beefing up their portfolios with bargains. They do this by decimating any fixed return interest bearing investments that even keep up with inflation………forcing people to invest in a speculative game….or rather “casino gaming” that they don’t understand. And if they are brokers or mutual fund managers, all the while clipping the sheep with “management fees” including hidden ones…..and commissions on unwise trades (“account churning”) coming and going.
Until the inequity causes depression, WAR…..or the plague.
And until then, it’s pretty much like this guy explains:
After 9-11, the terrorist did win, the people were searched, rubbed down, groped, before boarding a plane, the same exists today, it produces inefficiency’s which raises the cost and conveniency’s of flying.
This bug will be no different, eventually a breathilizer test will be made to take before boarding a plane, a train, a subway and bus, this will cost money paid by the consumer who will also be inconvenienced as a result.
These are the things of tomorrow, as are higher prices. When playing no limit poker, always know when to fold.
Although Y2K was long ago and far away, it was real. I worked on a 2-year team finding and fixing the 6-digit date occurrences (hard to find, trivial fix) the major admin. system for one of the two largest U.S. IC agencies, then testing the fixes in virtual machine at all the likely problem dates: New Years day, Feb. 29, beginning of the fiscal year, etc. Our systems worked. The other IC agency’s did not, failing on New Year’s day, IMHO due to their arrogance. They scrambled mightily and got things barely working again when ordinary business resumed, but it was a close run thing. Fortunately the whole world pretty much stood down for the holiday. Otherwise could have been a disaster.
It was no big deal to go from 19 to 20.
This is a great article about the current hype, which is not justified as more is known about the fatality rate of the coronavirus. However, it still misses the elephant in the room.
From the beginning, I felt it is plausible that this is a preparation for a potential major war. If looked at through this context, then the actions of the establishment over the past few weeks make more sense.
Today’s tweet from Trump threatening Iran, probably sent after this article was written, significantly increases this concern. I don’t think Russia and China will stand by as the Empire attempts an Iranian regime change war, things would get very messy.
And, no pesky “peace now, hands off Iran” protests and demos to worry about.
Arrest all demonstrators for breaking quarantine.
Neato!
Katherine
https://www.rt.com/usa/484721-trump-iran-sneak-attack/
Any thoughts on this from the Saker? False flag in the works? US preparing for conflict with “shelter in place” orders and hospital ships off the coasts and economic shutdown? After all as pointed out in the article above, the virus does not justify these over-reactions from the powers-that-be…
Would the Russians and Chinese tolerate an all-out war on Iran?
Sensible article, Ramin, And especially your questions…and the answers to them are much more needed……….than anything else….which many players are playing this thing for
Because YES, a world depression will almost certainly kill 1000 times more persons than COVID 19. Although it could certainly participate in the slaughter……the COVID deaths in the later part of 2020 and thereafter…..could be more attributed to economic devastation……..as the first cause……just as it was the precondition decades earlier in the mid 1300s that set the stage for the Black Plague that is said to have killed 1/3 of various European populations.
Weakening of the populations’ immunity through oligarchic banking’s squeezing of living standards, in the attempt to maintain unpayable debt structures (especially degrading nutrition)….. is what set that slaughter up, nearly 800 years ago. Austerity! Wrong priorities and beliefs and perceptions
Today there are a lot more questions than answers, but there ARE a few knowns to questions you ask.
For one, any expert, professional market trader will tell you that volatility is the great friend of the hedge fund managers and banks.….and deadly to the “little guy” who has neither the time nor the inclination to find out how the shearing, the fleecing of the sheep (themselves) is a programmed part of the news media, the opinion molding of their friends and family….and so forth.
These people are almost always “long” the market…whether enjoying the ride…or getting killed by it and have hardly ANY idea of timing anything.
Therefore, there is a huge incentive for the sharpsters to spook the markets every 8-12 years or so: Declines are a lot sharper than market climbs…..happen MUCH faster ……and more money can be made in the drops per week, per month then…… than in the more gradual bull runs…..by a very wide margin.
Another thing that is known with certainty is that those who run casinos……..do so in order to set the odds in their favor.
They figure that by herding more sheep and pension funds and 401-K money into the markets…..to buy high when they need to sell.to the suckers….and sell low when they are interested in beefing up their portfolios with bargains from the panicked suckers…..they have a great business model. They do this by decimating any fixed return interest bearing investments that even keep up with inflation………forcing people to invest in a speculative game….or rather “casino gaming” that they don’t understand. And if they are brokers or mutual fund managers, all the while clipping the sheep with “management fees” including hidden ones…..and commissions on unwise trades (“account churning”) coming and going.
Until the inequity causes depression, WAR…..or the plague. That can be a problem! But you must keep up with the competition, don’t you see???
And until then, (a general societal breakdown) it’s pretty much like this guy explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBNdszL3iA
Investment Advisors: The Truth
But all of that is NOT enough advantage, as far as they are concerned. They can still miscalculate……after all, they are “only human” like the rest of us. SO,,,,for the own protection from the incalculable whims of nature...they ARE for one form of socialism:
If their losses are so extreme that bankruptcy liquidation looms…..having had the foresight to buy the legislature through lobbyists…..they convince presidents and voters that they and what they do are so absolutely vital to a functioning economy….. that their losses must be “socialized”……through a tax payer funded bailout.
But I am currently operating under the hypothesis that this hysteria…whether the globalists caused it out of a need for self defense of their system (10 to 1 odds that’s it) or are just using a fact of nature for political advantage……is NOT just manipulation of another boom and bust cycle…but that the most powerful oligarchs and psychopaths in the world are right now urgently MOST interested in using the control and the political blame narrative of hysteria for one primary purpose:
Regime Change Within The USA itself.
And I am pretty confident they will fail. And that this month will be decisive in whether the whole thing goes off the cliff….or can be pulled back from the edge….by Putin, Xi….and You Know Who.
This is a British Mathematician. He is just looking at the data from the WHO and fitting Covid fatalities to a simple function for countries and regions around the World. He demonstrates that you don’t even need details to get perspective on what has happened and is likely to happen. Best to look at it from oldest video to newest.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFDE8P6_M-C4HTOuWwm4Dg
The final video discusses what I have predicted to friends. Although the ‘lockdowns’ have and will accomplish nothing (or very little), it will now be credited with ‘saving us’ and it will be impossible to convince the masses otherwise.
In the interests of time, let me do a joint response to Yuri and Col…’the farmer from NZ’.
(Yuri, you are right, I am still on Béchamp’s side of the fence and Hahnemann, and to call this thing a virus, is even strange for me. But, we have to talk so that people can understand and this is not a alternative or integrative health blog. And thanks for the kind words about my response to The Saker – it was from my heart. It is tough job to manage the blog in these times and he has a special set of challenges. Me? I just get blindly attacked these days.)
So, I think Ramin did us a tremendous favor here. I’ve been racking my brains to bridge the ‘virus gap’ and to link it to the economics and specifically the geo-politics – and here Ramin did the economic side of this almost seamlessly.
This is a part of the conversation that must be allowed to be teased apart and to continue. Perhaps an understanding of the evils of Big Pharma and Big Med develops in this process.
And while I agree with both Juri on the health side, specifically the vaccine side (I’ve worked with vaccine damaged kids), and Col…’the farmer from NZ’ on the sheer growth and doubling time side, I must also logically agree with Ramin:
“The moral debate is not lives vs money. It is lives vs lives.’
“Yes, because bad economics kills. Austerity kills. Neoliberalism kills. So I’ll stick with my analysis: there is an economic overreaction going on with corona similar to what happened after Y2K and the attacks on 9/11. However, the corona overreaction is way, way, WAY more shocking:”
Ramin is again right when he says: “I feel totally justified to call it “corona hysteria” because nobody can convince me that corona is as very terrible as it seems. The data is simply not there. It might be, but as of the writing of this article nobody can claim for certain that it is there.”
It is a challenge now to balance the economic view, the geopolitical view and the health view because in the nature of those things, it is hard to balance.
And this is the result of what we are fed in terms of numbers. If we analyze the numbers, it is just ‘another bad flu season’. (I don’t believe that for a minute, but just to illustrate – we can attack the data from so many points of view that I can with my half forgotten Uni statistics come up with a case of its not so bad).
And yet, some of us even if it is intuitively understand that this is not normal. Here is where an alternative medicine approach has a very large advantage. We allow in factual but anecdotal evidence. And the anecdotal evidence plotted, makes a strong case of ‘this is indeed not normal’. In fact, to just blow my mind, I’ve just received in on my email a piece of anecdotal evidence from where I never ever expected it. And it is mind-blowing.
With these few notes, let me ask something of both of you.
Let the economic discussion continue. We will have our turn again on the health issues and the sheer numbers issues.
We will need an understanding of all of these aspects to make sense of this thing eventually.
.
Thanks, Amarynth
I’ve said enough – as I have been doing for the past 30+ years.
The only thing that I wish for is that people put some time into researching the history behind the “modern medical” system – as that is where they will find most of the answers that they have been looking for – the answers to many, many things, not just about this “Panicdemic.”
Go to SUE YOUNG HISTORY and there is a wealth of excellent info on this topic, from Rockerfellers, to Lincoln, to epidemics, etc, etc.
As George Orwell wrote in 1984
“Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”
Relevance of this?
Just look at the history revisionism going on in Poland, and other places with respect to Russia’s part in WW2.
These developments are related in a sense to the current lies about modern medicine.
The Empire fears the truth from the past, for the truth shall set you free.
Yuri, I wish you were my neighbour! I, under no circumstance, want to fall into the hands of the western medical cartel. I could wish to have a natural practitioner in my rural community. James Corbett also has mini-documentaries posted as to how the Rockefellers took over the medical establishment and established this behemoth, for-profit, death-inducing giant pharmaceutical complex.
I don’t know for sure how dangerous this current outbreak is. But now I am more concerned and focused on what is resulting from it. I’m observing it with my own eyes. This virus has been beaten to death here but I just want to state that I don’t see this as simply an unforeseen outbreak. Gregory Mannarino who is very well connected with the banker types said yesterday that he was told by somebody in a high position, in a position to know (he said if he gave his name, everyone would know who it is) that this virus was released deliberately. That means there is an agenda at work that goes far beyond this virus. I’m mindful that solitary confinement is meant to be a type of psychological torture. This is what has been imposed on most of the world. People are now starting to bite others who are not self-distancing enough. It doesn’t occur to them since they are locked up in their homes it doesn’t matter if someone else is outside. They are not in the person’s house so it has no effect on them. People are losing their minds. This has arrived exactly when they have decided to implode their world economic system. I don’t believe we will like what is about to come forth. they keep adding new restrictions people must follow. While the virus fills the news, Pompeo is still stirring the war pot. What is the exact reason they want everyone locked in their homes, isolated and in fear? This has new world order written all over it. I don’t see that much comparison with Y2K or 9/11.
Amarynth:
” In fact, to just blow my mind, I’ve just received in on my email a piece of anecdotal evidence from where I never ever expected it. And it is mind-blowing. ”
What is it?
Mind-blowing for what reason?
Please share this info.
Katherine
Mortality statistics can be misleading if not put in proper context .
Using just number of deaths is just fueling corona hysteria .
USA Crude Death Rate is 8.8 ( 2019) per 1.000 people. Population 330 milion =
cca 2.8 million death per year, 240.000 per month , 80.000 per every day.
Crude death rate – from all causes –first heart, then cancer, pulmonary , etc.
Italy – Crude mortality rate is 10.6 per 10.000 people – Population 60 million=
636.000 death per year , 53.000 per month , 1.760 per day.
Media are reporting that corona virus death in Italy is 13.000 for about month in
USA till now = 4.700.
It is unusual that in Death certificate as a cause of death is mentioning specific virus or
bacteria but ruther vital organ that failed or known disease .
So in the case of death of the patient that had a lung cancer, and was tested positive on
corona virus – is it fair to conclude that corona virus is a cause of death , rather that corona
contributed among many other things , including hemo-therapy for the cancer ?
Or if patient died of heart failure , and was positive on corona virus – where we are going to
classify him(or her) ?
So we are in thick fog and we are not able to see clearly what is going on.
Given that there is a global lack of testing kits, it is more probable that the opposite is true: i.e. that more people are dying of coronoavirus and having death attributed to something else like pneumonia, or lung emphysema.
Certainly the total world number of deaths is currently nothing out of the ordinary -yet. Covid19 is killing doctors in substantial numbers -that is absolutely out of the ordinary.
Covid19 is more contagious than ‘ordinary flu’, lasts longer on surfaces and has a longer incubation period, possibly with little or no symptoms in many people. During this time others will be infected. It also attacks lower down in the lungs in the more severe cases requiring ICU and ventilators. If the ventilators are all taken up and there is a choice between saving a millennial or younger person then the older person is disposable.
If you are quite happy with that, ‘I’m alright, Jack’, then continue putting your head in the sand and eventually infecting others. As always there will be blowback.
It’s worse. It has started to kill young healthy people in the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s. It has stopped playing with lungs and is going straight to the heart.
Doctors are baffled and there’s no cure for heart virus.
“A hospital administrator reports that elderly people now comprise only a small fraction of coronavirus cases. The vast majority are in their 30s, 40s or 50s. And about a fifth of them show myocarditis – viral infection of the heart muscle. The coronavirus, European physicians learned several weeks ago, sometimes ignores the lungs and goes straight after internal organs – heart, kidneys and liver. ”
https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/covid-19-tightens-its-grip-on-the-big-apple/
Don’t play with this fire.
I checked out the Asia Times article you linked to. It’s sources are “a hospital administrator”, “European physicians” and “the president of their union”.
A critical reader should question the conclusions if the author won’t name any sources.
That’s exactly what the 1918-flu did, it killed all the medical staff who worked in the hospitals.
Entire towns wiped out, even rural towns in Alaska & Canada. The MSM refused to even discuss the pandemic for fear the Germans would invade a weakened USA.
It killed the young, never before did the 20-40 year olds are usually the strongest die most often, we now know this as cytokine overload, where the young’s strong anti-immune system actually kills them in defense of the virus.
The virus also made people crazy as it liquified the brain ( high temp above 104F for extended time), POTUS Wilson was said to be dysfunctional during this time as he had been affected, and after recovery he became a psycho-path, but nobody did anything for fear of Hoover getting in power. Didn’t matter because eventually Hoover took over.
Just like Trump Wilson said “On with the Parades”, we must keep working, ignore the flu, its nothing. We are at War with Germany, this is our #1 concern. So +600K civilian people in USA died, and mostly got infected from returning soldiers, the virus originated in USA but the returning soldiers brought back a more deadly strain in the second wave.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank a few people for their hard work, and extra efforts, today.
DARPA, Thank you, and your 7 million pilots, for spraying down a town of less than 10000, which is 100 miles from a city, today.
Mr. Cheerleader, Thank you for whatever silly thing you may have said today.
Secretary Pompom, Whatever there fella.
Dude with the worst looking glasses on planet Earth (or whatever your name is), Thank you for steadfastly maintaining that the US dollar is not a counterfeit currency.
Employer, Thank you for the work. I apologize for ‘spooking you a little bit’ today (sometimes that happens).
#goteamusa
Also, yes. I did steal the ‘go team usa’ line from comedy central’s robot chicken show (or something).
A Swiss compendium of scientific data concerning the virus would certainly indicate that the economic steps taken are irrational. It’s here https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Thanks for your thoughts on what they’re doing; it’s surreal.
Ramin: ““‘Bread, peace, land’ can be translated to ‘Bread, peace, a decent apartment’ in modern times. But it’s not only China and not only Maoism which has solved this issue, proven by their 90% home ownership rate: 80% of Cubans own their own home and thus pay no rent or mortgage.””
Ramin: ““I am a socialist and I want property””
This is a cry for enlightenment. Could you please explain, in another long piece, how Socialism in China and Cuba has produced A Property Owning Democracy. That concept was called Distributionism (fair distribution of personal wealth) but nobody ever explained how it was to be implemented.
As a Britisher under the Thatcher regime I was taught that Britain could only become A Property Owning Democracy by Trickle Down of personal wealth from The Wealth Creating Rich via Unrestrained Bank Loans. She called it TINA: There Is No Alternative.
My call for more enlightenment on Socialism as Fair Distribution of Property is not off-topic. The Great Corona Scare is obviously linked to the Great Terrorist Scare of 911 etc. The all resulted in impoverishment and weakening of Society on the one hand, in enrichment and entrenching of the power of Oligarchs on the other hand.
“Let me create societies based only on money. Let me control the Currency, then I contro Governments”. — The Prince of Darkness
Correction: the great _Islamic_ terrorist scare of 911. Was supposed to climax in the “taking out” of Islamic Socialist Republics (Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq) which owned their own banks and whose oil revenues were their own property. Didn’t quite succeed.
Now “comes a pale horse” from the same Capitalist stable: the great _Wuhan_ virus scare of 2020. Obviously aimed at “taking out” the Communist Republic of China. Succeeded even less.
It’s worth remembering that you could be dealing with people who thought nothing about killing most of the occupants of the world trade center for the advancement of their own agenda.
What’s a couple of hundred thousand peasants dying compared to controlling the world.
How many people died (all causes of death rate) in Spain on April 2, 2020?
Wow y2k was a software bug, so what the 2038 2**32 seconds since 1980 rollover will be worse.
911, was an inside job.
This virus is an exact replica of the 1918-flu start to finish, the gov started by ignoring it we know the virus was active in USA in sep-2019, and some say 2015. The USA CDC did nothing, the test-kit deal they did nothing, but hope it would go away.
Only China declared war on the virus in late Dec 2019.
The PTB drove the Y2K fear, the 911 was mostly just BUSH-CHENEY pushing their wars.
This virus with all the people saying “Its fake” is just like 1918, the MSM did the exact same thing, the Politicians all ignored the hospitals & doctors, even after they all died.
Even the origin town of rural Kansas where the virus began asked for help and was ignored by DC long before FT-Riley became infected and the troops sent to Europe and died enroute ( USS Leviathan )
Even after 600K USA citizens died a horrible death, the MSM covered up, the USA education system doesn’t teach.
This is strange, because here in ASIA every school child knows about the 1918-pandemic every village in ASIA saw 25% death-rate and bodies piled up and burnt daily in public. They’re taught, they know, this is why ASIA takes this serious, USA doesn’t because they’re not taught anything.
The reason for the high death rate in ASIA in 1918, is they had no modern medicine, there was nothing they could do, people all shared rivers for bath’s, people share common wells. The virus was transmitted all over the earth by US-MIL ( troops were infected on every ship, the Brass didn’t care ), you can learn this if you bother to study it.
Only “extra deaths” of spring 2020 compared to previous years will tell 95% of how deadly Covid-19 was especially in cases where government didn’t do much. Only time will tell. One thing is sure – mankind will learn not much at all.
When Ramin wrote this, he considered Mexico, Sweden and Brazil interesting countries to watch, because they were more or less following a ‘do nothing’ approach.
I put forward a bit of a counter to this saying that the ‘do nothing approach’ countries eventually start following a ‘do something’ approach. At the time of writing and publishing, Mexico went full hard quarantine. Now, it is Sweden .. https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7443540
Sure, Mexico closed down. Now that all the US factories are shutdown, for whom should the Mexican suppliers work for? No one needs the Mexican produced autoparts that were previously shipped to the US factories.
The MX factories would have to shut down either way. The corona scare is used to keep the ppl pacified and avoid unrests. But today on RT I heard that unrests are happening in Italy. BBC was saying to keep social distance on social media, bcs ‘your friends might spread fake news’. Clearly they are afraid ppl might organize & revolt.
Check this out!
America was staging a pandemic drill called Crimson Contagion from January through August of last year (2019, which involved a scenario in which a pandemic flu from China was spread around the world by international tourists, leading to the infection of tens of millions of people.
This “drill” involved multiple US government agencies, US state governments, and even US hospitals
And it predicted many of the problems that you see with America’s actual response to the COVID-19 pandemic today like equipment shortages, bureaucratic red tape, underfunding, etc.
It’s almost like America KNEW that COVID-19 was going to happen.
Yet, somewhat, America was still “unprepared” when this Crimson Contagion drill went live.
Hmmmm….
Trump Administration Failed Dry Run ‘Crimson Contagion’ Pandemic Exercise
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/crimson-contagion-exercise-trump-administration-failures_n_5e744105c5b6eab7794560e6
This will blow your mind:
They are preparing for this since 2016 maybe even 2014.
‘Stay at home, work for home’
They knew this will come, hence the push for digitalisation and industry 4.0.
All those job loses – well they will never come back. They are just not needed anymore.
@Anonymous,
(Mod- please mind your language) Enough evidence of media fakery to call this one a hoax in the USA. What then is going on in Iran? 360,000 Chinese traveled from Wuhan to other Chinese cities and caused <3,000 infections. 1,000 Chinese go to Iran and cause 12,000 infections. Something strange is going on there. But in the US pains are being taken to spread fear.
US Deaths from “lower respiratory” causes – 141,000 in 2017. 25% of that is 35,000. Lots of stiffs to classify as “coronavirus” deaths. Officials have admitted that many deaths are being attributed to the virus without any real confirmation. In Duesberg’s expose of the AIDS hoax (Inventing the AIDS Virus), he explains how easy it is to create a statistical chimera to spook the public into buying the narrative. A more recent example is the “Hep-C” scare where Pharma spent $100 mil. convincing every baby boomer they had crypto-cooties from their free love past. And there is a pill for that, $100,000/yr., for a disease that does not exist. These two provable Med-scams demonstrate that a hoax is not only possible, but they have had years to practice.
Speaking of economic issues and the COVID-19 panic-demic, one issue that many people do not realize is that throughout 2019, there was a virtual stampede of American corporate CEOs resigning from their companies.
It is almost unprecedented how many of these CEOs were leaving their companies.
And many of these CEOs resigned BEFORE the Covid-19 outbreak and subsequent economic implosion.
Indeed, the COVID-19 panic-demic conveniently came along to take the “blame” for this collapse that would have happened anyway.
And it’s almost as if these CEOs *knew* beforehand that an economic collapse was coming and chose to desert the ship like rats…..
“The following are just a few of the big name CEOs that chose to step down in 2019….
By the end of the year, an all-time record high 1,480 CEOs had left their posts. (Fortune Magazine, right)
But to most people it seemed like the good times were still rolling at the end of 2019. Corporate profits were rising and the stock market was setting record high after record high.
Yes, there were lots of signs that the global economy was really slowing down, but most experts were not forecasting an imminent recession.
So why did so many chief executives suddenly decide that it was time to move on?
The following are just a few of the big name CEOs that chose to step down in 2019…
United Airlines — Oscar Munoz
Alphabet — Larry Page
Gap — Art Peck
McDonald’s — Steve Easterbrook
Wells Fargo — Tim Sloan
Under Armour — Kevin Plank
PG&E — Geisha Williams
Kraft Heinz — Bernardo Hees
HP — Dion Weisler
Bed, Bath & Beyond — Steven Temares
Warner Bros. — Kevin Tsujihara
Best Buy — Hubert Joly
New York Post — Jesse Angelo
Colgate-Palmolive — Ian Cook
MetLife — Steven Kandarian
eBay — Devin Wenig
Nike — Mark Parker
Of course the mass exodus of chief executives did not end there.
In fact, a whopping 219 CEOs stepped down during the month of January 2020 alone.”
Why Did Hundreds Of CEOs Resign Just Before The World Started Going Absolutely Crazy?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-did-hundreds-of-ceos-resign-just-before-the-world-started-going-absolutely-crazy/5707970