Please find below the translation to the video I have posted before and which I am re-posting here below.
A huge THANK YOU to “sparling5” for making this translation in such a short time. If I get a subtitled video I will also post it here. This information is important enough to deserve several re-posts.
The Saker
Translated transcript:
There are lots of photos and videos of what was going on in the city on Friday and there are lots of details attracting special attention. Information to consider is quite enough for full investigation. It was taken by Pavel Ptshelkin.
At the very height of punitive action in the country when tensions in Russian-speaking Odessa reached the top level –there was a football match. “Metallist” from Harkov was playing with “”Chernomorets”, Odessa. Several thousand ultras of both teams came to the city. These fans are nationalists, proponents of Maidan and they get a permission to march along the streets of Odessa in support of united Ukrain. They gathered here, near Sobornaya Square. Meanwhile from Alexandrovsky Avenue towards them there moved a group of well-equipped young men armed with batons and reinforcement. Many of these wear “Georgian bands” but the main distinctive feature – all of them have a mark made of red scotch on the sleeve. The authorities called them pro-Russian militants but it seems somebody needed everybody to believe it. And lots of eyewitnesses made these very conclusions.
And here is the first strange thing and “mismatch” with junta’s official version. The same red marks were on the sleeves of some policemen. The most interesting thing is it was where these policemen stayed that the “break” of “separatists” to the members of the march happened.
Here we can see the red marks on the sleeves of the attackers and nearby – the same bands on the sleeves of the policemen in cordon. The number of attackers is much smaller than the members of the march and it’s obvious they are not going to disperse them. They haven’t got enough power. But it is that very place where the break happened and another small group separated. What for? Soon it became quite obvious. They seduced a crowd of fans and succeed. Here the members of the march crying:
Fifty people – that’s… that means we can get them from side-lane, there’s few of them…
The crowd changes the direction of movement and drives into Grecheskaya street. The main collisions happened over there. And here we can also see lots of strange things. The police chains part letting the attackers through and close down again. There are stones from both sides. Here we see a man with a red band on the sleeve – he starts firing from the roof. And it was here where the first people were killed. The guns were on both sides but here is a strange frame – the militant firing and a policeman is behind him. The bloggers recognized the deputy police head Dmitry Fuchedze. And here he is surrounded by those with red bands before the collision. And here he is walking with a group of those people to the place where the collisions with the members of the march happened.
And here – according to his chevron – an officer of Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs is obviously instructing the attackers with red bands.
“You should clearly understand what each unit is doing. They ran and ran. Where they ran? Look, every time there are some problems”
But it is much more difficult to believe in these pictures – here a man in a bullet-proof vest starts firing the members of the march straight from behind the policemen. And now it becomes quite clear – the main aim is to infuriate the crowd of fans and Maidan proponents.
Why? It became clear further when the attackers with red bands immediately left and a furious crowd aiming to Kulikovo Pole where the camp of protestors to current authorities is situated. These protestors were still there and for several months the authorities couldn’t afford to tackle with them. Naturally no people with red bands were in the camp. There on watch were some some dozens of activists. Trying to escape from the crowd they barricaded themselves in the building of Trade-unions.
And now some words about those in the crowd. Thousands of fans accustomed to street battles – according to the plan – were likely to become cannon fodder. According to the police staff there in the crowd were two battalions of police – “East” and “Storm” recently staffed with nationalists from Right Sector in civil clothes.
According to surprising coincidence just that very day in Odessa there appeared a former commandant of Maidam Andrei Parubiy. The police appeared here after an hour and the fire-brigade – after the police. That means there was a sign to make a pause. The leader is Parubiy. He was in Odessa yesterday and the day before yesterday. Everything was going on under his control.
And here is one more character. A man in a bullet-proof vest surrounded by clearly non-civil companions is falsely complaining to somebody about the attackers. He is clearly working for Ukrainian TV camera.
“They are armed, they are aggressively inclined, they have got pyrotechnics. My four guys are wounded and me too”.
He is clearly lying that he is not armed. Here he is near the flaming building of Trade-unions – he is firing not to let people seeking shelter in the building to climb out of the windows.
This man is called Micola and he is a leader of one of hundreds Maidan fighters. It has recently arrived in Odessa. It is well known that Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs later announced that people who died in that building fired themselves because it is impossible to throw a bottle to the third floor. This cynical statement is easily disapproved. Here is what one of the survived told in his blog:
Meanwhile there was a message the maidans are breaking through the other corridor… how did they happen to get there… I ran there and helped to block the door. In the corridor I met two girls – they tried to move an old iron safe. I helped them to move it to the door, blocking. While I moved it and blocked there came a white-green smoke from under the door… the air from my lungs was kicked out at once. One moment I thought I would choke…
In other words the Maidan fighters were also inside the building. Here they demonstrate the Ukrainian flag in the window followed by the crowd approval. And here are other pictures made some minutes later. You can see that in that very window at the 3d floor the fire starts. At that very moment the governor Vladimir Nemirovsky actually gives the fighter the licence for murder:
“The actions of Odessa inhabitants aimed at neutralization and detention of armed terrorists are considered to be valid”
As we have already told the majority of those who came to fire the building of Trade-unions were not from Odessa but inside the building they were all odessits. The fighters from Right Sector were the first to enter the building and they started at once to seek for the documents of the dead. Later the Ukrainian propagandists tried to lie stating the dead had Russian passports. These passports were in the Internet and the lie was easily destroyed – the same passports with the same family names appeared in a message on 16 April concerning alleged Russian diversionists.
April 2 in Odessa the people were burned alive and those who tried to escape were finished off with sticks. Besides as it appeared later among the dead there were lots of people with gunshot wounds. And moreover the police even didn’t think to interfere. All in all the facts lead to one conclusion. The reason of this tragedy in Odessa is a provocation in order to disperse and arrest the members of a numerous protests on the Kulikovo Pole against acting authorities. The fans were just used for this. On both sides there were skilful instigators. Considering all in all there was hardly anyone to plan the massacre but the crowd excited by the blood and impunity couldn’t stop.
This open letter by former US intelligence professionals to Obama is worth a read.
It’s refreshing that rational and non-warmongering people are still to be found in the US, able to articulate a proposal to quell Ukrainian violence.
It’s distressing to be near-certain that their advices will be ignored.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/04/needed-obama-putin-summit-on-ukraine/
Needed: Obama-Putin Summit on Ukraine
May 4, 2014
As the death toll mounts in an incipient civil war between east and west Ukraine, a group of retired U.S. intelligence professionals urges President Obama to hold a summit with Russia’s President Putin to defuse the crisis (…)
Greetings from Singapore:
Der Spiegel is coming out too with the ‘red band’ people in Odessa.
Die Retter von Odessa: Helden neben Mördern
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-die-retter-der-brandstiftung-in-odessa-a-967811.html
It is a watered down version.
I have the slight impression that the reporting of events about the Ukraine case are deliberatley shut down away from the frontpages and headlines so as to avoid further critical arguments by commentators about the journalistic and media coverage by the main media outlets. To quieten things down…
After all, this are still the main source of opinion building the world over. Only a handfull of media corporations in the hands of only a few individuals deliver about 75% of all content world wide. So it does not really take a large effort, only a few phone calls to coordinate things.
How else to explain the coordinated headlines looking the same in so many cities and countries in so many TV, Radio and Print Outlets… the last case being the Odessa Fire and torching of humans. Many media owners or publishers belong to the ultra conservative capitalistic atlantic bridge which controls so much of our lifes…
For the Spanish reading people I found de video with Spanish subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Mcu9MFPRU#t=14
Josefat has some more interesting film in his account.
Grz
I dont now if you have seen this before, but its seems important.
Please note that these photos in the article are very descriptive.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-neo-nazi-thugs-supported-by-kiev-regime-killed-odessa-inhabitants-photographic-evidence/5380504
These facebook pages seem real. Anybody have experience with them? If they are true then more should see what they bring of information.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/BERKUT-Ukraine/574477605978934
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine
The Norwegian.
Blogger Alexis TK27 said…
This open letter by former US intelligence professionals to Obama is worth a read.
It’s refreshing that rational and non-warmongering people are still to be found in the US, able to articulate a proposal to quell Ukrainian violence.
It’s distressing to be near-certain that their advices will be ignored.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/04/needed-obama-putin-summit-on-ukraine/
That article at Consortium news sounds reasonable but in fact it amounts to disinformation.
There is a false premise behind nearly every paragraph.
Hi Saker,
As always, the two sides in a conflict will report opposite truths. On a Czech site that I read because of its altogether civil exchange of wildly differing opinions, I found this article of an eye-witness of the Odessa massacre on the second of May.
On the second of May, I went shopping in the streets in the centre, when I happened on a mass of people, about two to three hundred appearing from a side street. Most of them were between 25 and 35 years old, mostly if not wearing black, then wearing dark clothes and many of them wearing so called camouflage clothes.
It’s also important to note that they were armed. Almost all of them were carrying sticks (baseball bats, tool handles etc.), but also chains, knives, even shields, helms, high army boots, arm and leg pads, perhaps even bulletproof vests, and almost all of them wore masks.
First I thought these must have been some sort of film cameos, but when I walked up to them, I noticed red bands around their arms (which reminded me of the militia from socialist times), but in all they made a rather criminal impression being led (and they were really being led!), like some sort of Sudeten German squad in the Czech borderlands, to assault a police station.
And when they started shouting in chorus slogans such as “Berkut” and “fascism won’t prevail”, it was clear who they were. Gently said, these were so-called pro-Russian so-called activists, in Czech “Russian nazis”, chanting tragicomically “ФАШИЗМ НЕ ПРОЙДЕТ”.
(translated from Czech)
The writer goes on saying that he observed them heading to the football stadion, looking for a fight with the fans there. He describes how they flee from the crowd towards the building of the Labour Union, where they start throwing molotov cocktails to the people standing outside. All in all, a very different account from the video you link to.
In these times, it’s difficult to get a clear understanding of what is happening in Ukraine. Many Czechs don’t like Russians for historical reasons (also, many of them don’t like Ukrainians either because they are willing to work for a third of the pay Czechs will accept), so I don’t take this account at face value.
Still, it’s worthwhile knowing what others are saying, I think.
Anonymous Ben said…
I have the slight impression that the reporting of events about the Ukraine case are deliberatley shut down away from the frontpages and headlines so as to avoid further critical arguments by commentators about the journalistic and media coverage by the main media outlets. To quieten things down…
I think you are exactly right, Ben. In Oz there is what amounts to a media blackout on Ukraine now.
excellent investigating journalism in the massacre in Odessa by W. Engdahl
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/05/kiev-and-right-sector-kristallnacht-odessa-extreme-graphics/
There is a media blackout in the UK also.I thought this story was too big too hide or spin.The story did not appear for a long time while far more minor events were reported.I think the Moscow Times has just published a spin piece.I take it the Moscow/Kyiv Times are under the direct control of the State Department.
Thanks for getting the transcript together and posted, Sparling5 and Saker. Great job.
Marco misses the fundamental point of the video which was that the red arm-banded crowd were indeed being led in a quasi-military fashion but their purpose was to masquerade as rebellious Russian sympathizers – ie they were conducting a false flag operation for the sole purpose of angering a very large crowd of otherwise innocent – but wound-up Russo phobic – football supporters.
It’s notable that Marco’s friend only “realised” who they were when they started chanting anti-Maidan slogans”.
The tactic described above and in the video commentary is a very well tried and proven one which has been honed to near perfection in a dozen or so color revolutions by now.
Marco need to do a bit of research and understand the depths of thoroughly-planned deception at work here.
BTW – I am planning a wikispooks page dedicated to the Odessa massacre – as a solid work of reference in Wikipedia-like format. I could use a volunteer or two to assist with it. Anyone?
@marco
You should have another look at the video, then the contradictions you describe disappear. The red-banded “pro-Russians” were visibly in bed with police, which provided cover for them after the provocations, but stood idly by when the real pro-Russians got slaughtered.
For a start:
> Many of these wear “Georgian bands” but the main distinctive feature – all of them have a mark made of red scotch on the sleeve. The authorities called them pro-Russian militants but it seems somebody needed everybody to believe it. […] The same red marks were on the sleeves of some policemen.
Honk
What´s happening in Easter Ukraine today? No reports from Slavjansk, Kramatorsk etc. Neither in western, nor in russian media… strange, isn´t it?
luc dm 13:22
The VT Engdahl piece is OK as far as it goes but the false-flag nature of the original provocation that lead to the massacre passes him by.
Like Marco, he assumes the red-bands were Pro-Russia “with only sticks and bats” but the whole thing was clearly far and away more sinister than that.
My guess is that many of main politicos in the west know EXACTLY what happened and are appalled and silenced by it – which may explain the sudden silence of the western media.
There’s a LOT more developments to come on this one yet.
to marco:
Why very different account from the video? Both decribe armed men with red armbands and visibly pro-Russian (Georgian bands, shouting “Berkut”..). The only difference seems to be that video suspects them to be provocateurs.
if there’s one thing one can understand by this “blackout” of the massacre is: the Russians didn’t did it !!! (not that i had any doubt who were behind)
We have started our transparent, open-source investigation here:
Odessa Trade Union massacre
Our team (CIWCL) started investigating Libya massacres three years ago, then moved to Syria. Now Ukraine takes up most of the time.
The police chief (Big Hat, Mustach) shown in this video, gave a lengthy speech to a very similar group of Maidan hooligans, armed with bats, chains and so forth, just before they went to the trade union building to desecrate the memorial. I watched it live on streaming TV. On New Odessa 1 or u01.ua (both streamed on Ustream). I don’t speak Ukrainian, but he was definitely whipping the crowd up, lots of “Slava Urkaine”. Also the fat guy in the blue shirt shown with the gun , was all over the place on the day the Trade Union building was fired. I watched coverage live on u01.ua the whole day and I definitely saw him before the trade union building. He stuck out in my mind because he was such a fat ass. I think on one occasion he was right next to a dead body on a street, (not the trade union) He was also around a running street battle iirc. If anyone captured the u01.ua coverage from that day, you’ll have no trouble finding him.
One problem in trying to puzzle out what is in fact happening and what to expect is the lack of inside information. What advice CIA chief Brennan and his underlings have been giving their clients isn’t known to us. It appears they have a script that they’re following and part of it seems to be to push for confrontations that are likely to result in violence. They want people to get killed so as to deepen divisions and embitter the populations there, goading people into a spiral of violence, reprisal and estrangement. Most of it is manipulated whilst making it appear to be spontaneous. One supposes the Russians must have a capable information network telling them what is going on.
It’s an evil game the US is playing here and elsewhere. The lives of ordinary people means nothing to those at the top. The nebulous promises that can never be fulfilled are held up to lure gullible people but death and misery are the real result.
A terrible evil is at work in Ukraine tearing at the social fabric, setting people against each other. Listening to BBC reporting the level of misdirection and propaganda is hard to believe (well actually it isn’t given the coverage of Syria and previous ME conflicts. High treason against humanity it is.
It’s something that making me uneasy with this video, it seems real. What do you think, is it fake or real?
“Ukranian fascist rebels from Right Sector movement killing ex-head of Donetsk police in front of his wife
Ukrainian fascists from Right Sector party killing ex-head of Donetsk police in front of his wife for non protecting anti-Russian rallies in Donetsk from raged pro-Russian city citizents”
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1397763033#exeMghvEq6tyCP11.99
I agree with several of the comments here that the story behind the mass killings in Odessa is darker than that there was a false flag operation.
The Norwegian.
Evidence of escalation of
the conflict in Ukraine by NATO:
1. Austrian MP Ewald Stadler member of the European Parliament, NATO is transporting tanks to the East of Europe
Депутат Европарламента. НАТО перебрасывает танки на восток Европы
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIMVwbQxKiQ
The following is the translation from the Russian translation of Ewald Stadler’s speech:
Don’t try to fool yourself; there is a group of influential Americans who dream about the war with Russia. They want the war with Russia now, and not in fifteen years. Even today Russia is too strong for them and too stable. They need this war with Russia now, as soon as possible. I don’t know if you have seen this video in YouTube, uploaded by our friends. You can see how the military equipment is being moved through the Austrian territory. Hundreds of tanks are being moved by the Austrian railroads to the East. 100s of tanks!
That’s why Erdoğan in Turkey is not the villain any longer. Suddenly, he has become a “good guy.” Current elections results in Turkey are the same as the previous elections, but last time he was a villain because he overthrew “reds,” now he is good. It’s all because he is assisting in moving military equipment. It’s a collective lie. They need him and he became “good” again. It’s all depends if they need him now, or not. This is the unbelievable moral of American double standards and cynicism.
Right now, NATO is moving East huge amount of troops. Much more troops than they admit. The mass media are telling us that it’s only a couple of hundred soldiers for the drills being transported to the East of Europe. It’s not true at all. Right now in Poland they are installing missiles that initially presumably were aimed at Iran. Now, it’s clear that these missiles are aiming at Russia. NATO is also moving troops, and most impotently air systems to the Baltic countries. Enormous number of tanks is being transported to the East to Poland and the Baltic countries, and most importantly Romania, because Romania is playing the very special strategic role in this conflict.
I tried to find markings and insignia on these tanks, but it’s all hidden. It’s impossible to tell whose tanks are those. However, we know these tanks for the attacks, not for the defense. On the video it’s impossible to tell whose tanks are those, and what part of NATO they are coming from. Burt they are being transported across Austrian territory, across the territory of a neutral country. This is why I blame all those losers in Austrian government. They have been always telling people that Austria is neutral. They are afraid to tell the Austrian people that Austria is not a neutral country, because the Austrian people would be against it. At the same moment, Austrian government is doing everything NATO wants from them, even in violation of Austrian neutrality. They are supporting sanctions against the countries Austria has no conflict with. We don’t have conflict with Russia. Why do we have to join the sanctions against Russia? This is against our neutrality. If we’re trying to be neutral like Switzerland, then we cannot participate in sanctions against other countries. We don’t see any objections against these actions from Heinz Fischer and the Minister of Foreign Affairs Sebastian Kurz.. Everybody is sitting silently.
cheers
daisy2
1. 6.05.2014 Donbass! Video evidence of reported huge number of unmarked tanks, artillery, troops is being transported East Ukraine, approaching Donetsk, Slavyansk and Kramators http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nQAgXjMmNM
2. May 6, 2014 Slavyansk on 15:00 – 8 people killed, 16 wounded in the overnight battle with pro-junta troops. The previous day, 1 person killed, 15 wounded.
3.
4. Some Video evidence of American troops presence in Kramators http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EecCL3q_T0#t=32
5. Right now, about 4-5pm May 6th, the battle is underway in Kramators with the heavy artillery and tanks assault onto the town. Probably, the same tanks we can see in the video #1 on this list. They have just arrived. Last night, people were reporting the bizarre haste evacuation of pro-Kiev Ukrainian soldiers from Kramatorsk airport.
Cheers
daisy2
Good report but I dont agree with the ending:
“Considering all in all there was hardly anyone to plan the massacre but the crowd excited by the blood and impunity couldn’t stop.”
Sometimes crowd can indeed spin out of control, but Odessa massacre was anything but. It was carefully planned and precisely executed operation from A to Z. Crowd was just a “front” and served as a cover for the real action, much like in Maidan.
The way red-bands instigated both sides, then surrounded pro-federalists, and killed them from inside and outside the building, the cold-blooded mass execution in concert with the police and fireman… I dont see any coincidences (or getting out of hand) there.
Despite very gruesome and disturbing massacre, other aspect is even more important in the long run: it was a huge strategic mistake and miscalculation on neonazis part. Odessa unlike Donetzk or Charkov wasnt that much pro-autonomy, it was mostly neutral with minorities pro and against. If referendum even happened, I’m not sure federalists would have gotten majority of votes. Neutrality is in the past now. While massacre was intended for scaring and intimidating pro-federalists (even sloppily incriminating them), but the real outcome is – a lot of Odessites became very furious at Kiyev, and if referendum would happen now, Kiyev would hardly like the outcome. Sure they can suppress the referendum (for now) and persecute dissent, but you cant suppress rising nation for long. This anti-Kiyev sentiment will get more and more speed, massacre plus persecution plus rapidly deteriorating living conditions will make the outcome inevitable – either Odessa will get autonomy or break apart from Ukraine altogether.
Another aspect, those undecided in other south-eastern regions got clear picture whats waiting for them, and joining federalists as we speak. Kiyev couldnt have sent worse message if they wanted to, its really weird. If their intention was to get Russia’s invasion, that wont happen, what Kiyev achieved is people’s resolve to get independence or die trying.
what kind of surprises me post-Odessa is the fact there hasn’t been any reprisals against the Banderite forces. I don’t mean by ethnic Russians, who for the most part I’m sure just want to get on with their lives & who’d have no means to do so anyway. But Russian intel assets must be on the ground in Ukraine to some extent. Why haven’t any of the larger RS or Svoboda figures been eliminated or had an office torched or just something…anything! I fully appreciate Russia will try not to intervene directly as this is exactly what NATO & the neocons want, but surely some response from Russia is needed, if only to bolster the beleaguered ethnic Russian populations in the south and east of Ukraine.
@daisy2
Your video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nQAgXjMmNM doesn’t look like any “evidence” but more like a blurry computer graphic.
So… what’s your purpose posting that junk?
Here you go. http://www.odnako.org/blogs/karatelniy-pohod-hunti-na-novorossiyu-hronika-6-maya/
In russian, but google translate should suffice. Near realtime – from 15 min. To half an hour updates.
Slaviansk update
“By Borislav Bereza
06.06.2014
Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine.
In a fierce battle, Ukrainian special forces, defeated a large group of terrorists who attempted to break out from Sloviansk, which has been surrounded by the Ukrainian military. Several hundred bandits attacked the positions of our troops and were pushed back, suffering heavy losses. Significant quantities of the newest, Russian-made weapons were captured on the battlefield, including what Russian spetsnaz GRU is known to be armed with. The battlefield remains under our control, cleanup is on-going, as the fight subsided literally 30 minutes ago. A crucial role was played by Interior Ministry special forces soldiers of the “Omega” and ” Jaguar” squads, and the special “Alpha” squad of the SBU.
Unfortunately, during the heavy fighting our troops suffered heavy losses.
Four Ukrainian soldiers were killed, while one is in critical condition, and about 20 of our soldiers were wounded. Medical assistance was administered and they were evacuated by helicopter to nearby hospitals.
Eternal memory to the fallen in the battle for freedom and independence of our country…
Original source: Borislav Bereza FB”
Thanks for translations
@ Anonymous 06 MAY, 2014 15:53
“Why haven’t any of the larger RS or Svoboda figures been eliminated or had an office torched or just something…anything”
Hmmm… And… What would be the “net result” of such an action?
It’s a propaganda war on both sides, so it is much better to let the banderites take some flak for the horrendous events they bungled, however meager the echo in the West MSM is.
This doesn’t not preclude some recknoning when times will come but, unfortunately, the “tactics of the game” currently trump well deserved retribution.
marco said:
Many Czechs don’t like Russians for historical reasons…
Why don’t we say, many Czechs don’t like Germans for historical reasons?
Or many French don’t like British etc?
what kind of surprises me post-Odessa is the fact there hasn’t been any reprisals against the Banderite forces.
Don’t worry, Ukrainian pro-Banderite figures and institutions in the West are being targeted.
I agree with the poster about the Ukraine news falling back from the front page or lead on the TV and Newspapers.
Yesterday I made the mistake of watching CNN news, Ukraine was not first up, and only mentioned briefly. I was shocked to her the announcer say “Putin’s Shennanigans”. Granted, I haven’t watched TV news regularly in Years, but to me that eliminates any pretense that CNN is a news source. It wasn’t even subtle bias, like giving the preferred “Team” more time or presenting them as more reasonable. It was out-and-out bias using flowery words to demonize Russia, the Donbass, and of course Putin.
But I think we are seeing good things here. How long has large numbers of Ukranian Army units been encircling various towns in the East? The real news is how LITTLE is happening; it seems that, for the most part, the Ukrainian Army just isn’t interested in terrorizing the Donbass.
At best, they’re taking a checkpoint and then sitting on their behinds.
I suspect what few incidents and killings there have been, like the sniping of that poor woman in her apartment, are primarily ultra and mercenary deeds.
Finally, I suspect that the level of support for Russians in Ukraine has been sky high on all the Media websites. Since these organizations (not to mention the NSA) can track commenters, they must have started to realize that while many were “Paid Putin Supporters”, many, many more were just ordinary Westerners outraged at the bias.
Even with the Guardian eliminating like 30-40% of the postings as “Putin Bots”, it was clear that Russophobic posts are clearly outnumbered.
heartfelt,
“Don’t worry, Ukrainian pro-Banderite figures and institutions in the West are being targeted.”
This very interesting history of the Banderites embedding themselves and their cause into the highest reaches of American politics might suggest it won’t happen here. Here’s a (rather nasty) taste:
“Since the 1970s, when they proved their importance by delivering five states in a Presidential election, the ABN and its UCCA affiliate have been re-making the US government in their image. These same groups then made common cause with their sister Neo-Cons, and became kingmakers in American national politics. By the time of the Bush-Kerry election in 2004, it just didn’t matter anymore which party won. Both were marching to the same drummer.”
It’s a real eye-opener, and ends with, well, you read it, after Odessa I’m running out of words.
http://www.ukrainiandiaspora.ca/opinion/when-you-slow-dance-with-the-devil-you-can-t-see-his-face.html
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/american-soldiers-think-ukraine.html#disqus_thread
Posted with no comment, picture says it all.
http://www.odnako.org/blogs/karatelniy-pohod-hunti-na-novorossiyu-hronika-6-maya/
is a very good site indeed, even in translation. Try this:
12.35
Киев. Украинский Институт Национальной Памяти (орган центральной власти, специально созданная в президентство Ющенко империя дурных воспоминаний, пропагандирующая историческую ненависть к России) приказал отменить на территории Украины георгиевскую ленточку как символ Победы. Вместо этого символом будет окровавленная дырка от пули, напоминающая мак — или мак, напоминающий дырку от пули, как сообщает УИНП.
And the image that follows, well, go see for yourselves, I won’t spoil it — and it doesn’t even need translation.
Naryshkin calls events in Ukraine “genocide.” Is this psychological prestaging for intervention?
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140506/189616500/Kiev-Committing-Genocide-of-Russian-Ukrainian-People–Russian.html
A classic from Sergey Lavrov – “Russia doesn’t do colour revolutions – particularly brown-coloured ones”.
A false flag operator is in the first image on this site. His uniform is a very good match for the Odessa police uniform. This should be archived before it is taken down.
The World is approaching the moment of truth. It’s very disturbing; the neocon are so desperate so they moved 2000 Takfiri killers from Syria to Ukraine. Please read this article. A lot of links to other articles too. The big push for a total war is on agenda for Nazi in Washington. No opposition in Europe. Lavrov is trying diplomacy but it’s just pointless. You can not talk reason to a psychopath. Here in Sweden; drive in mass media and “our” FM Carl Bildt makes me feel sick. I hope you can comment on the article. Thank you. http://www.eutimes.net/2014/05/putin-orders-feared-alpha-troops-to-ukraine-declares-red-war-now-in-progress/
There are many independent and official groups started to do the investigation about this horrible massacre in Odesa.
Facial recognition technology what was invented against the innocent population of this earth, now is going to be used to bust the perpetrates. What they have invented, now is going to be used against them. How goes around it comes around.
Tuesday, May 6
18:59 GMT:
There’ll be more sanctions put forward against Russia if its troops cross the border to “destabilize” the Ukrainian election on May 25, Victoria Nuland, US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, warned.
However, she stressed the doors for a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis aren’t yet shut, Interfax news agency reports.
18:33 GMT:
The self-defense forces in Donetsk Region’s Mariupol say Ukrainian forces might have started storming the city.
“Just now we began receiving reports of a massive attack on our checkpoints located in the west of the city. There’s no information on casualties yet. Apparently, the assault has begun,” Mikhail Krutko from self-defense forces staff told Interfax news agency.
“Our forces have accepted battle. The gun fight is underway,” he added.
Any impartial observer could reasonably conclude that the NATO-EU are engaged in a deliberate plot to destabilize Ukraine.
Further, it appears that one purpose of this western plot is to impose sanctions on Russia to harm its economic development. In 2013, EU GDP growth was 0.3%; the US had 1.8%; Russia had 1.9%; and China had 7.7%. EU and US debts exceed their GDPs; Russia has $500 billion in foreign currency reserves; and China has $3.5 trillion in foreign currency reserves.
The NATO-EU are allies who may not like Russia’s economic recovery with its growing military, political, and economic ally, China. That is the only practical reason for this western folly that I can see, but it will damage the US and the EU more than Russia and China. The eastern allies are on interior lines for greater speed and lower costs; they have governments that can react more rapidly to opportunities than western governments; and they don’t have the democratic prejudice that inhibits trade with undemocratic nations.
weaeliv CohanOne more point: Ask yourself, why do Russian officials, particularly Lavrov and Putin, always sound so much more sensible and sincere than our bumblers (Nuland, McCain, Kerry, Brennan, Obama)? My answer is because Lavrov/Putin are smart, well-grounded people, actually concerned for the people they lead. Our leaders are bought and paid for by the corporations. The US government is a problem not just for us Americans, but for the world.
May God bless Russia.
NATO-EU are terrorist
So, if you remove the White House spin, it’s the “Separatists” versus the “Insurgents” as the government of Ukraine is being run by a dissident coup that just happened a few weeks ago. Washington is backing the insurgency, in this country at least, but killing them in others. Syria, go insurgency; Iraq, kill ‘em; Libya, go insurgency; Afghanistan, kill ‘em; Egypt, go insurgency; Bahrain, kill ‘em. Its a long list, you could also just flip a coin, or check on IMF strategies.
Another zionazi false flag plot exposed.
Источник: В Донецке готовится провокация с использованием российского обмундирования (Source: In Donetsk is preparing a provocation using Russian uniforms)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/5/6/685507.html
(auto trans) “Ammunition of the Russian military and fake forms of identity cards of officers of the armed forces of Russia delivered to Donetsk for use in the simulation of attacks on the Ukrainian frontier guards informed a source in one of the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine on condition of anonymity.
“The SBU sent from Kyiv to Donetsk about twenty people from the bodyguard of the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk region Kolomoisky. In Donetsk, the group met representatives of the “Right sector”. The group was accompanied by the cargo, which consists of around 200 sets of military equipment of the Russian military, and about 70 of the forms of identity cards of officers of the Armed forces”, – the source said, RIA “Novosti”.
“The task is to carry out an attack on the Ukrainian border guards in uniform Russian sample and record what is happening on camera”, – he said.
According to the source, who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity, Russian form and forged documents were originally brought from Khmelnytsky region.
“By the way, is not new but effective. Tricks to disguise in a foreign uniform were thrown away in my memory, and Bosnian fighters and criminals of Khattab in Chechnya. And for Bandera it quite familiar. During WWII they were often committed atrocities in the form of the Soviet soldiers”, – commented on the message in your Facebook Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin.”
Again, zionist Jew, and Israeli citizen, the oligarch Kolomoisky, working with pravi sektor “Jew hating” nazis. This Israeli freak seems to be involved in a lot of the deep cover ops. Makes one wonder how much of this Ukrainian war criminality is really being organised by the zionazis directly.
Interview of woman survivor on roof (10 min):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUoYJ5Q9kjU
apologies for the OT Saker
@ wikispooks: did you get a reply from Mr Corbett?
Just curious
Thanks for posting the interview Imagine. Those f**king bas**rds! Someone wants Russia to intervene very badly… and then what?
Dear Saker and Petri Krohn:
Please have a look at this video.
It is a composite of material from various sources, most of which has already been reported. The interesting material is near the end at about 1 hour 30 minutes. It shows the victims, including women and children not widely reported. Even more importantly it shows the victims in their original positions. One victim, a male in a stripped T shirt has a bullet proof vest here, but not in the later videos. One of the bodies on the stairs is sitting here, and in a different position in later videos. The bodies have clearly been rearranged and evidence removed.
@Penny
No reply from Corbett. I considered following up with another message but decided against.
I’m getting increasingly worried by the whole Ukraine business. I’ve pored over the White Book (an amazing and depressing compendium of facts which really is a must read) and pondered the evidence in this post. It is clearer than ever to me that the Anglo-US-NATO-Zionist nexus has decided that this is the big one.
I see lots of commentary suggesting they have miscalculated but that is not the way it looks to me right now. A vast amount of planning and training has gone into the Ukraine coup and news of more seasoned foreign mercenaries arriving (probably just the tip of an iceberg too) plus armour, aircraft and troop build-ups in the Baltics, Poland etc suggests that Russia’s increasingly plaintif and bitter appeals to cool-it will continue to be ignored.
The whole situation looks increasingly ominous to me with the REAL western power-brokers absolutely determined to confront Russia and blame Russia for everything.
Inside the building, afternoon: Right Sektor irregulars break in, take possession of first floor, search for people to beat up:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/5/6/685407.html
@ Alexis TK27,
Q: As the death toll mounts in an incipient civil war between east and west Ukraine, a group of retired U.S. intelligence professionals urges President Obama to hold a summit with Russia’s President Putin to defuse the crisis (…)
R: You think Yats gets his marching orders from the US?
Hi Saker, this is highly disturbing. I thought this would be a quasi-normal conflict situation where both sides were at fault and in the end the pro-Russian side got killed, but there’s a very disturbing ring to this all:
1- Motivation & planning: there must have been some here. Why do Parubiy and Timoshenko happen to be in Odessa at that time>? Why Mykola also on location?
2- The police force was first implicit in instigating the conflict and then passive to let it all go out of hand?
3- The demonstration was approved ahead of time. So there must be some planning for this?
4- One thing to plan to finally ‘clean up’ the pro-Russian tent camp by using the hooligans, another is to go so far as to use snipers to fire into the pro-Maidan crowd and draw them to that square.
If this was fully planned as it appears to be, whoever does this is one cruel bastard. Parubiy might fit the bill.
Saker,
I saw a general call for alert and retreat posted on twitter and facebook. The Kiev junta is attacking with the military and heavy artillery (reportedly). I would like to call it to your attention. I know you access social networks but maybe someone can translate can confirm? I cannot read non-English, but used google translate instead.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=861505097209570
I have also noticed that the Ukraine news falling back from the front page or lead on the TV and Newspapers here in Sweden too. Obviously a coordinated effort.
I wonder what the reason might be, any ideas?
What it is that lavrov is smoking ? Must be very potent hallucinogen. He still talks of negotiation with Ukraine junta after Odessa atrocities by the Zionist and fascists goons? Thereby giving legitimacy to the kieve junta despite all crimes?
The east ukraininas shouldn’t wait for russian help because Rus leadership is sold out and feel satisfied as junior member of west with a few crumbs under the table- (though even then Russia will get nothing –remember 90s ?) .
When do you think Russia will intervene even indirectly-when the nato tanks are already moving west from austira andf east from Poland at this moment.?
Russia has lost momentum as it always ndoes because it is more concerned with what she will look like to western eys than what she can get done on the ground.
As Paul Craig was saying Russia shouldn’t have bothered about image and should have acted as soon as kieve junta was installed.
Russia is in grave danger because of her foolishness and so what help can you expect from her as her allies? Nothing.
As for south Ukrainians they should run a guerrilla warfare with support from who so ever is willing to fight on behalf of freedom(donto count on Russia) and make life so miserable for keive junta that they are forced to grant you autonomy or a separate state away from Ukraine or Russia.
As for EU you have seen the statement of English bitch Catherine ashton that Ukraine has right to defend her border integrity (apparently Syria has not that right nor Iraq or Libya)
In any civilised society they would have burned that Catherine ashton alive
To Bok Tak and The Saker,
(a) Bok Tac, your comment on “false flag” incidents and Kolomoisky is interesting indeed. I figured, even before the leaked Alston phone conversation, that the snipers must have been hired professional killers. Learning Kolomoiski (whom I’d never heard of until he was appointed governor) is a dual Israeli citizen and the largest single donor of the hard right Swiss “Freedom party”, I thought “Aha!”.
What you relate, along with his known funding of mercenaries, pretty well cinches it in my own mind.
(b) With all the ghastly massacre pictures now available (those I viewed were in “Globalresearch”) and the work Saker and others are doing to record survivor’s accounts, has any major daily or media outlet shown the pictures or described what really happened?
(c)The resistance is now claiming that Kiev is massing up to 30,000 “guardsmen” and conscripts from western oblasts, in Donetsk. The figure sounds exaggerated, but it makes me hope that Putin has not, after all, been faced down. It would make military sense over the long haul to allow them, even encourage them, to concentrate and then scoop up the lot, getting rid some core fanatics and dismaying others.
I hope that’s the case. I never bought the idea that the western strategy is to “trick Putin” into a military response.
Tom
I think you’ll be interested in how AP is spinning the Odessa massacre today. This could conceivably be a good-faith mistake, but I doubt it. I shall just give the exact quotation I’m talking about; the rest is fairly normal. 46-year-old Vitali Khadyko said: “I saw how the police were on the side of the pro-Russians. They broke rank when the Russians attacked and closed ranks when they stepped back.” The article is here.
Rowan Berkeley,
Isn’t it amazing how The Mighty Wurlitzer has gone international? When Fuchedzhy was arrested, I figured ok, they’ve got their scapegoat, and then just waited for them to pin the blame on Russia.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-vladimir-putin-why-does-the-us-government-hate-him/5381205