Like with MH17 in Ukraine EgyptAir Flight MS804 crash is prequential to the US war on Egypt, by Scott

Amen.
Only the gullible and stupid audiences in the US and some European countries will now start swallowing the ISIS bullshit, propagated by mainstream media

Thanks for the heads-up. Are we in the US heading for an election by any chance?

On the way home I thought of our choices for president. Hilary is 100% crazy and Trump is 50% crazy. Not a good choice but a choice.

It may be a reflexive thought but could the hand of Israel be behind the EgyptAir Flight 804 disaster?
Israel is quite good at this kind of messaging and it is to their advantage.

I have also wondered about the Russian Metrojet 9268 airbus explosion. There are too many things and statements that don’t quite add up with the latter and everything has gone very quiet -too quiet.
Daesh allegedly was responsible but at a certain level, they, the US administration and Israel are all one and the same.

I think it would be great if someone could post something about false flag (?) attacks like this one in general at some point, and which geopolitical role they play, by whom they could be executed, how it could be done etc.
I remember Pepe Escobar suspected the November Paris bombings to be a false flag, then there’s Brussels airport, Germanwings, this crash, the Russian one over Egypt, the London Bombings, 9/11, all sorts of terror attacks that were supposedly stopped.
I’m finding it very hard to identify all the possible players behind those attacks, then those interested in stopping them, what their capabilities are, how truthfully the public is informed etc.
For a layman this is practically impossible to know, and while there may be logical explanations and motivations, many people even here have wildly differing theories.
So I’m finding it very hard to actually form an opinion on this, comments welcome!

Under Nasser, Egypt was allied with the USSR and the Egyptian economy was transformed into a socialist economy (of the eastern bloc type). Egypt fought against Israel and supported anti-colonial causes.

After Nasser’s death, the new leadership signed a peace treaty with Israel and allied with the USA. It also abandoned socialist economic policies and adopted neoliberalism while corrupt dictators like Mubarak ruled the country.

Hello Espina, nice answer deserving a nice reaction, so I‘ll try my best, but it will be difficult because I tend to make texts long rather than short, and especially when several topics are to be adressed. Remote hijacking „malarkey“… I did not know the word, but know now, however you seem to underestimate the enemy. Everybody knows now that „they“ want to „influence“ us, so that we do what they want, not what we want or need or both – that *is* already the worst case of remote steering, of hijacking (of your opinions etc, that is, your personality), and it is commonplace that it is tried every minute and that it is largely successful.

Much easier is it to hijack a machine *when* the hijacking mechanism is already built into it. When you send me your telephone number I can hijack your telephone to wake you up in the middle of the night, I can remotely sabotage your sleep. As a boy I had „Schuco“ model cars with a spring mechanism to propel them – but you could stop them by saying „StoPPHH“ with much air at the end for triggering the inbuilt wind detector on the roof , which would trigger something stopping the spring motor. We can remotely steer a rocket from a spot on Earth to a point zillions of kilometers away so that the camera in the thing doesn‘t miss sun- or moonrise over Pluto… and you tell me the idea that humans are capable of remotely steering an airplane with a built-in remote control system is malarkey? I am not convinced; on the contrary it is well known that planes have remote control systems inside „to protect us from these mad terrorists“: when the mad terrorists hijack the plane using sellotape or chewing gum to overwhelm the flight personnel, then a wise supervision body decides to switch to remote steering and sends the plane with the terrorists right into the hands of legal officers who will know what to do with them. This is the official story that was to explain e.g. the Germanwings case. In case you really want to know more about this you really should read Jim Stone (google this name and you‘ll find his IP (4 numbers) that will ensure a connection that cannot be easily remotely hijacked/sabotaged), and you‘ll find stories about remotely hijacked cars… which explained to me how e.g. Alexander Dubcek or Jörg Haider could be „taken out“ in „unexplainable car accidents“. Right now, I remembered something weird I saw myself. In ca 1980 I bought for 150 DM a car, an Opel Rekord C Coupé, a downsized „real American car“, just as a fad, but then quickly liked it very much. At one point it developed a nasty, uh, habit. When I left it, I closed it by key (as we generally do in Europe), that is I introduced the key in a vertical slot on the driver‘s side, turned 1/8 circle to one side and back to the vertical position of that slot for taking the key out again. When I came back, I expected to repeat the same exercise, only with 1/8 turn in the other direction. However, after a while I was confronted often with the situation that the position of the slot for the key was no more vertical but oblique – and then it was not possible to insert the key and to open the driver‘s door. I had to creep in via the right door, then to open the drivers door from the inside, to disassemble the innards of the driver‘s door, to take out the lock mechanism and to make sure once again that it looked completely normal, that no hidden mechanisms existed in that door, and that at reinserting that slot was vertical. Then I would reassemble the door, test my work and find that „from now on everything will be fine“ – only to have the same thing happen again at the next stop. My first idea was that „magnets“ did it (but there weren‘t any), or that pranksters molested my car while I was absent (I tried to surprise them in actu, but never saw any) – until one day someone did me the favour to enlighten me. I had just closed the door and looked at it, musing how I would find it this time when I *saw* that slot turning from vertical to oblique – no person, no machinery, no sound. I felt then relieved: no gangsters, no pranksters, only me and God, or me and some playful invisible alien, for whom this „magick“ was child‘s play (perhaps an alien kid?). Later, with another car, the trick was repeated but much less well done, and I found this degradation later with other similar „wonders“, and dubbed it „the american tricks and those of their german disciples“: who want to be equal but are not.

In short, if it was possible to mechanically move mechanical lock mechanisms in closed cars with non-mechanical tools and methods in 1980 it is definitely no balooney, err, malarkey to point to the possibility that in 2013/14/15/16 it may be possible to switch an electronic switch e.g. in a plane not only by a mechanical lever moved by a pilot‘s (ar bandit‘s) hand, but also by electronical means, e.g. radio waves, e.g. from Pluto, or from somewhere here on Earth. (Yes, and they have operating systems that can and will be hijacked from wherever, and through them the inbuilt remote control trickery of the CPUs can be and will be hijacked etc.etc. -the newer your computer, the more compromised it is by design.). Now, after proving to you (you are convinced, aren‘t you?) that remote control is the general goal and method of „them“, and that it is easily feasible and done in countless cases (and varieties), one might ask why the remote control method would be preferred to others, and why, if such things are done, they do not stop at inventing funny riddles but proceed to apply their wonders for achieving mass murders „without authors and known causes“. These questions have in essence nothing to do with „numerology“ or „data fetishism“, but crimes & discretion of authorship & indiscretion (transmission) of unexpected (surprising) content are often combined with riddles, e.g. numbers‘ riddles as things that are at once (first) discrete and then (if solved) indiscrete. From my Opel & that alien kid I learned that „there are more things between heaven and earth“ than common knowledge knows about, and that they have not to be earth shaking for changing your outlook, I was informed that „unexplainables“ do happen, and that they can be easily observed (if their authors decide toshow them to you to teach you something), but not explained, or only in hypotheses, which then any one of the other 7 billions is entitled to throw back at me as obvious, uh, nonsense. Same thing for the explanation of circumstances: the Russkies (Putin and his „Putin commission”) had one set of „convincing reasons“ why PL101 (Kaczynski‘s plane) just had to crash in Smolensk (namely: „bad weather and drunk pilots“), but at /the-turkish-hitler/, Anonymous_on_May 23, 2016, 01:02 UTC cries B.S. at Putin and has a completely different story: not the pilots, but the passengers were drunk and instead of bad weather the reason for the crash was that the 94 passengers „all jammed into the plane’s cockpit, drinking vodka and “instructing” the pilot exactly “what to do““, which had to end in disaster and did – a completely new version which world opinion will now have the opportunity to assess in detail.

Every act of terror is an act of „hidden“ communication, of telling without speaking – this is the difference between terror and the business of killing unwanted persons, but the distinction is unsharp, *and* both motivations can and usually do overlap. AF447 with all its passengers was allegedly destroyed just for ending the work career of one Chinese scientist, but MH370 was evidently a whole story, but also with Chinese engineers at the center of it. While „terror“ (from the picture book for sunday schools) is always meant to be a method of transmitting a message, and in the golden infant days of terrorism this message was a real message (spoken words, e.g. in an interview) of live people („the hijackers name the conditions for releasing the passengers“), messages can be transmitted in many ways, and do not need cameras and microphones which only serve to chase the terrorists until they got caught. Thus, we arrived at mute terrorism that lets only facts *and* circumstances speak. If Smolensk was not what Putin and Anonymous think (a necessary result of preceding flight related problem factors), but an act of terror (with alleged „problems“ only as a decoration for the gullible), then the message of mass-murdering the conservative elite of Poland was perhaps: „Polen unerwünscht!“ or „Polen raus!“, like under „Hitler‘s“ SS regime there, and then one should expect a repetition of that message in case the Poles dare again to be conservatives and themselves – and exactly this is what happened. „Merkel“ steered a hate campaign against the Kaczynskis since 2007 which ended in 2010, when of the top brass only „the good (german-licking)“ Poles survived, and this in well-paid positions of unlimited german-licking… and restarted promptly after the victory at the polls of the Kaczynski party in 2015. A possible explanation of this whole sequence might be: Germans hate Poles because they only tolerate slaves and the Poles make a point of not being especially that, so the Germs teach them a lesson so that they may finally become slaves, but the Poles ignore the message, repeat their crime of independent thinking and acting, and therefore must be taught the same lesson again. Whether the next mass-murder of Poles incompatible with german nazis will also be accompanied by the camouflaged working of otherwise well-known fogh machines or not will be again completely irrelevant for the message. In the Smolensk case data fetishism pointing to „Merkel“ (the offended one who sought personal revenge as well as general instruction of an obstinate tribe) was the main means for communicating the meaning, and with MH17, where „Merkel“ was to prove that she is just as good in inventing world wars out of nothing („punishing victims for things they have not done“ – Dilma Rousseff) as her father, the emphasis on „Merkel“, the english remote controlled ostzonen shpitzel who the english made „queen of europe“ for that occasion, was overwhelming. Even the insisting on a „BuK“ missile meant in clear, that the BuK (Bundeskanzler, i.e. „Merkel“) was the reason for this event… but not that it was necessarily „Merkel“ who herself pushed the button. In the case of the Russian Airbus over Sinai, at a closer look, an impressing number of 17s turn up, just as with MH17, as if these cases are made up like like-dressed twins. What is the central „birch tree“ (adjective „brzezinski“ in Polish) as alleged cause for the complete destruction of the plane in the Smolensk case, and the „BuK“ in the M(erkel)_H(itler)_17 case, seems to me a certain name on the passenger list of the Sinai flight, which, when mentioned here, gets censored out, so that you‘ll have to find it yourself. In case this passenger did not exist but only his/her „speaking” name on the list, this would have been a very clear and thus serious threat – and not of some mercenary crap group with no more capabilities than killing unarmed civilians for their masters in the US govt. And now, MS804 – my first impression is that there is less info available than in previous cases, so interpreting details is more difficult, nothing imposes itself. Where should one start? At wondering whether there is a hidden meaning to your moment of posting (4:08) whitch reversely repeats the flight number 804? Similarities are always interesting, but not always relevant.

You see, I find the communication function in such cases present and used, so that it is not necessary and perhaps, for tactical resons, unwanted to let a definite part of the Evil Empire speak in the sense of using words for conveying meaning. What do you expect from Daesh/ISIL, Al Qaeda etc? They are all freaks made and launched by the PTB,, and the antagonism with officialdom in AngloAmiNatoland is bogus at best, but mostly a devilish ruse to allow the production of even more murder and chaos (when ISIL kills because they are killers, and the US military kills, too, „because we fight ISIL“). We live in a very multithreaded (spaghetti) world today, where everything mixes with everything, but definitive relations are still difficult to prove in a juridical sense. But such proof is irrelevant because in our system never anyting of importance will be judged in a court worth this name. We are not called upon to pronounce death sentences, but only to swallow what we are told and to shut up. I find it more important (than waiting for the ideal proof and the ideal court of justice) that individuals sharpen their own judgment by doing everything that might help. Like reading articles and comments at The Saker‘s, and then make up their own tribunal in their head: do I really believe this witness, is the argument X really irrelevant or only unwanted? Am I just now slipping into a wide-open, well-known trap like repeating well known nazi crap just because the people repeating it today do not wear brown skirts and swastika stickers?

Finally your plea for more visibility. I did use an ordinary nick name in the past, but lately my signed posts were all censored, so I stopped signing them. I asked TheSaker whether I am banned, but he told me I am not. Then perhaps such censoring is also remote controlled? My impression is that those who want and need a WW every 25 years „and become very angry when they do not get their regular blood booze“ (Protocols…) are by now pretty angry and trying to impose „something big“ upon us, even if nobody is eager to follow their calls, their propaganda, their remote control of emotions and false reasoning. Instead of the countdown of a smooth war machine we witness the rattling of a broken mechanism which instead of doing something foreseeable might suddenly explode.

Yes, nice vibes in the Moveable Café, but I feel somewhat out of place there.

Cheers

An Ony Mouse