Regular contributor to The Saker, Andrew Korybko, attended the second-annual Yangtze River International Forum Summit 2015 last month that brought together China’s political, economic, and social elite (to see the full program, click here). The day-long event saw the participants discuss the One Belt One Road project, which is the world’s largest-ever connective endeavor. Having received the hard-to-get permission of the Chinese government to operate at this closed-door event as a journalist, Andrew is now sharing with us the exclusive information that he has learned from this high-level gathering. The below are summaries from some of the select speakers’ presentations made during that time:
Mr. Zhao Xiaojiang, Mayor of Lianyungang
Lianyungang held an ancient role along the old Silk Road, and it took the initiative in repeating history by inaugurating the New Eurasian Land Bridge in 1992. At that time, the city waUKs the first one in China to send a train all the way to Saint Petersburg, and this is commemorated by a statue in the city’s port demarking it as the route’s eastern terminus. Therefore, the city is intricately interwoven into fabric of the New Silk Road (officially known as One Belt One Road or OBOR), with the first project being the creation of a China-Kazakhstan logistics base. In 2013, President Xi offered to make the port’s facilities available to all SCO members, thereby making the city the organization’s maritime base. An international logistics park project complements this policy.
Mr. Temirbek Sultanbaev, Deputy Secretary-General Of The SCO
The SCO’s main goal is to retain world peace and order, and OBOR is the perfect vehicle for this. In fact, the project features prominently in the SCO’s 2025 action plan that was passed during the Ufa Summit. The economic fluctuations in the world today have created a risk for the organization and its primary goal, so it’s necessary to prioritize OBOR even more than before to act as a proper counterweight to any potential problems. OBOR will rejuvenate the Silk Road through transport and infrastructure developments and thus make bilateral and multilateral assistance within the organization even stronger, which works out to the ultimate benefit of each of its members.
Mr. Zhao Quansheng, Professor of International Relations and Chair of the Asian Studies Research Council at The American University
China divides OBOR into four parts, with only one of them being the popularly discussed economic component. To begin, it’s understood that OBOR will expand China’s market and make use of the overcapacity in its economy. Capital, technology, and markets were the essential building blocks for China’s earlier rise, and it’s for these reasons that the country’s earlier economic affiliation was with North America and Europe after Deng Xiaoping’s reforms opened the country up. Nowadays, however, China needs to shift towards Central and Southeast Asia to satisfy its market requirements, so it accordingly needs to create a series of institutional norms and rules to help with returning its investment in these areas.
The second OBOR category is security and diplomacy, and it’s noteworthy that Chinese projects have encountered some resistance as of late, especially in Myanmar for example. This reflects on how changing diplomatic realities (i.e. Myanmar’s ‘democratic transition’) can have economic consequences when it comes to bilateral relations along OBOR. On the security front, one need only recall how China had to militarily evacuate its citizens from Libya and Yemen, with the country losing millions of dollars of investment in the former. That instance actually happened to be the first time that the People’s Liberation Army was active in the Mideast, and it created a precedent for China to safeguard its overseas citizens in the future. On the topic of security, it’s also important to address how the island disputes in the East and South China Seas can impact on OBOR.
Concerning the third component of OBOR, this one deals with culture. China is spreading its Confucius Institutes all across the world, and this cultural initiative is important in helping other people to better understand the country and its people. The integration of different cultures is very important, as it’s a necessary prerequisite for world peace. The spreading of Chinese traditions also strengthens Chinese civilization, and it helps to reinforce it against invasive South Korean and Japanese pop culture. In the interest of equality and solidarity with people, it’s highly encouraged that Chinese working overseas learn the local languages and cultures of the countries in which they work, as this can help to mitigate misunderstandings and create a positive image of China abroad. Something that can help with this is for Chinese academics and specialists to travel to the areas that they study and actually live inside the native cultures for some time. The experience that they gain and bring back to their students is instrumental in teaching them about the countries that they might one day realistically work in. This has to happen more often, as should the acquiring of genuine understanding about local religions such as Islam.
Finally, the last part of OBOR deals with Great Power competition, and it’s obvious that the US is the root cause of the island disputes in the East and South China Seas. In fact, the US creates problems all across the world, and not just against China. For the future, the US and China need to enter into win-win cooperation, but this might be difficult for the US to accept. China is currently asserting its influence through OBOR and the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), and this leads to the US being afraid that it might eventually be squeezed out of the Asia-Pacific. China is already establishing new rules, norms, and institutions in the international community and has no intention to marginalize the US (it wants to cooperate with it in the interests of common development), but the US refuses to listen to China and has rejected its cooperative outreaches. It’s curious to many in China how the US wanted to make Japan a place of peace after World War II, but that it’s now supporting the trend towards remilitarization, which raises fears that this might be projected against China and its Asia-Pacific integrational projects. In fact, it’s clear at this point that the US built two platforms for power in the aftermath of World War II, and these are NATO and the EU in the West and Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan in the East.
Mr. Wu Shichun, President of the National Institute for South China Sea Studies and Vice President of the Institute of Boao Forum for Asia
OBOR has had many successes since its official announcement in 2013. Governmental mechanisms, both at the highest and lowest levels of Chinese administration, have been rolled out all across the country, and high-level trips and project agreements/MOUs with neighboring countries and regions have been signed (e.g. the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor). Also, capital guaranteeing mechanisms for future infrastructure projects such as the Silk Road Fund and the AIIB have been unveiled. Last year China made outbound investments worth around $100 billion, and in the first half of this year, it’s already made $52 billion of such commitments.
There are challenges, too, however, and some of them are that certain countries like Vietnam doubt the importance of OBOR, but this view has so far only remained a minority one. Different opinions in the international community do pose a challenge for the project’s implementation, however, and shouldn’t be completely ignored. Another issue is that there are inevitably going to be local and central government problems in applying the endeavor, and this needs to be recognized in advance. In particularly, local enterprises need government support, preferential policies, and investment protection in order for outbound investment to continue to grow. Some of China’s partners also have political, economic, and social risks that could unexpectedly lead to economic consequences such as the cessation of bilateral projects, and China needs to prepare for this and ensure the safety of its investments.
Another thing about OBOR is that China can learn a lot from the Marshall Plan, although it must be stressed that they are two different things and that OBOR isn’t a ‘Marshall Plan for Asia’. What’s important is for China to pick up various techniques for how to establish multilateral coordination and communication mechanisms and track the progress of its overall endeavor. Due to the political sensitivity that some countries have towards being labelled as OBOR partners, China shouldn’t advertise every single project as being part of this overall framework. For example, if the OBOR label is omitted, then some countries might accept a project that they would have otherwise rejected out of concern for how it would look. Lastly, China could learn from the UK’s 19th-century system of free trade and peaceful development in order to lead China from being a regional major country to a global one. Jiangsu Province (where Lianyungang is located and the event is being held) has a strong tradition and history of international trade and exchanges and is thus a logical place for OBOR to begin.
Dr. Lu Qingcheng, Vice President of the China-Africa Development Fund (CADF)
OBOR is a detailed roadmap for outbound investing enterprises, and it’s in this capacity that it’s related to PADF. The Fund was created in 2007 in order to deepen trade between China and Africa, as Beijing has an interest in the low-cost labor that the continent can provide for its overseas companies. Many State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs) have major projects in Africa, and they need guarantees for the investment environment there. CADF thus helps provide them with development banks, insurance companies, and capital for accessing this vast market, and was actually the first such Chinese organization to do so. Entrepreneurs use the Fund for capital, local expertise (i.e. specialization in the French and Portuguese languages), suitable project match-ups, and intermediary functions in helping African companies find Chinese partners.
In its 8 years of existence, CADF has been involved in 80 projects in around 35 different countries, amounting to a total of $16 billion in investment. Because of its success, CADF can be a model for other development funds that target different regions. The direct capacity model can transfer Chinese overcapacity to Africa, such as the Chinese steel mills that have now been built in South Africa and the forthcoming ones in Algeria, and it’s integral that African and African-based companies continue buying Chinese-produced equipment for their factories and other industrial endeavors. The Egyptian-based steel plate plant was a $700 million investment along the Suez economic and trade park corridor, and China wants to build an industrial cluster there in the future. Investing in Africa isn’t just affordable, but it’s also geo-economically convenient, since many African states are involved in free trade agreements with the EU and US, the latter being de-facto in some spheres due to the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA). This means that Chinese plants there can get around restrictive trade barriers that they otherwise wouldn’t be able to avoid if they were based in China itself. In order to capitalize as much as possible off of this opportunity, China should create industrial chain strategic alliances, with one possible starting point being the Suez investment corridor.
Some examples of CADF’s projects are as follows:
* port construction in Nigeria
* the Africa World Airlines (AWA) project in Ghana
* railroad and airline connectivity across the continent
* Togo projects worth $200 million
* the proposal to create direct China-Africa flights instead of using the Dubai airport as a halfway point
But there are some challenges that Chinese investment in Africa must go up against:
* poor existing infrastructure
* difficulty for smaller countries in financing certain projects
* the need to cultivate international talent
* finding more Chinese to go abroad to Africa
* Chinese companies need international investment experience and strategic guidance for outbound investment
* protecting bilateral investment in risky markets
* the central government’s allocation of proper resources to outbound investing companies in Africa
Chinese-African economic cooperation complements each party, but they need industrial clusters and strategic alliances in order to really take off and reach their full potential.
Mr. Pang Zhongying, Trustee of the Jiangsu Association of Friendship and International Exchanges (JAFIE) and Professor at the School of International Relations at the China’s Prestigious Renmin University
The key element of OBOR is connectivity, and since the 20th century, the world has witnessed three important trends: interdependence, globalization, and connectivity. All three of them form the theoretic foundations of OBOR, but connectivity is certainly the main component. Once implemented into practice, OBOR will become a global free trade road map that ushers in a New Trade Order (NTO) and the next generation of global economic governance. Since 2009, the US has been pushing the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) that conspicuously excludes China, while the 2013 OBOR project makes no direct mention of the US. It can be seen that China is somewhat responding to the US, although it still holds open the possibility of cooperating with it and the TPP in the future. In fact, it’s predicted that this grand integrational intent is precisely what President Xi might speak about with Obama during his visit to the US.
The 2014 APEC Summit in Beijing produced a roadmap for an organizational free trade agreement, and OBOR might actualize this with time and eventually integrate the US. China needs a new multilateral framework for the global economy and governance, and it also needs a new way in which to approach US-Chinese relations. China favors increased coordination and interconnectivity between countries, and the 2014 G20 Summit in Brisbane saw an agreement to strengthen the WTO, which is something that China surely wants to assist with. It’s also exciting that China will host next year’s G20 Summit, which incidentally will be very close to Jiangsu Province. One thing that should be mentioned at this point is how China’s ambition to strengthen multilateral institutions such as the G20 and WTO is ultimately to its grand interests, such it goes back to how the country wants to create a global free trade road map that benefits all countries.
Speaking of which, China wants to enter into an economic alliance with the EU, and this somewhat explains one of the reasons for OBOR. It would like to connect to other free trade organizations in the future, too, but it needs more seminars with such regional organizations like the EU and ASEAN in order to actualize this. OBOR is literally a global project, and it belongs not to China, but to every country that chooses to participate in it. China wants to promote world peace and the sovereignty of states, and it intends to achieve this by integrating the global economy into OBOR and vice versa. China’s deep embeddedness in the global economy allows it to enter the world, and conversely, for the world to enter China, and after the past 40 years of the world changing China, OBOR creates the opportunity for China to change the world.
One of the ways this is happening is through the Russian-Chinese Strategic Partnership, because both countries have a large geographic area and natural economic compatibility, which thus forms the basis of OBOR’s mainland component. OBOR is the realistic demand of current geo-economics, and China is connecting with the strategic development initiatives spearheaded by its partners, such as Pakistan. On a more local level, Jiangsu is obviously the key to integrating everything, as it has a very high GDP and advanced technology. In many ways, it’s equivalent to medium-sized country and has the capabilities to behave as such on the world market. Due to its infrastructural geography, it can connect to Pakistan, the EU, and the African Union, but more seminars are needed on these topics so that the province can play the leading role in OBOR and help forge a community of common destiny between all of its global partners.
Mr. Zhu Feng, Trustee of JAFIE and Executive Director of the Collaborative Innovation Center of South China Sea Studies
OBOR is all about China going global, and in many ways it’s “China 3.0”. To explain, 1.0 began with Deng Xiaoping’s reforms that attracted capital and foreign investment, while 2.0 started with China’s admission to the WTO. The two processes that occurred were related to opening up and connecting with the rest of the world. OBOR combines the two in a win-win manner that’s more beneficial and profitable for China and the world, optimizing the successes of the previous two ‘versions’. Be that as it is, Chinese society must be well-prepared for OBOR, since this project also opens up the country’s individuals to the world. The question is, are they prepared? Does China have its own global vision, behavior, and global experience that are necessary for OBOR to succeed? What about multidisciplinary talent? OBOR starts within China, and it’s necessary for the country to consider these pressing questions.
One of the things that China must do in order to succeed with OBOR is to understand local markets, laws, regulations, and partners. Entrepreneurs must make every effort on their part to do this, such as adapting new models and methods and learning more about the local environment in which they operate, and alliances will definitely be needed. The Chinese government must facilitate business functions and help local enterprises with outbound investment. Jiangsu needs to make itself even more favorable to investment, and Lianyungang will be the focal point of these efforts as it improves its railroad and harbor connectivity. The whole world is be entering China through this city, but also, Chinese capital will be entering the whole world through it too, given the anticipated import-export role that Lianyungang will have. This will make it the forefront city, and Jiangsu the forefront province, of OBOR in the future.
Mr. Wang Cun, Director of International Investment at the Department of Commerce in Jiangsu Province
FDI in Jiangsu includes 72 different sectors, and there are 2 Special Economic Zones (SEZs) in the province. This makes the territory among China’s leaders in FDI, but the province now wants to also promote outbound investment to increase its global economic profile. From January-July of this year, total investment output jumped 7%, mostly attributable to new ventures made in Thailand, Indonesia, and Pakistan, and the provincial government will help entrepreneurs with forthcoming projects. Right now, it’s considering opportunities in Kazakhstan and Cambodia, for example. Due to its geography between the mainland and maritime portions of OBOR, it can help provide services to Chinese companies considering either form of outbound investment, aiming to help them increase international cooperation while simultaneously decreasing their transportation costs.
Ms. Zhang Mingxi, Director of Sihanoukville Special Economic Zone Industrial Park in Cambodia
Sihanoukville is the largest SEZ in Cambodia, and within its territory it produces its own electricity, communications, and water services. The country’s infrastructure and supporting services are backward so the SEZ had to build its own, but it cooperates with the Cambodian government and institutions. There are now 85 enterprises in the SEZ employing 12,000 individuals, and 27 of the companies are from Jiangsu. Some of the things that they produce are shoes, packaging, and medical equipment. It’s important for all companies to follow local laws, so therefore they hire local lawyers to help with this. Also, the SEZ engages in charity work such as donating to the Red Cross, providing locals with mosquito nets, and helping in disaster and flood areas. Another thing that they do is congratulate Cambodians on special Buddhist events. The bosses try to listen and talk to the workers and plan holiday activities, and during these times, they’ll even give them special gifts. To help with the integration of Chinese nationals into the local social environment, employees are provided with Khmer language lessons, and internal SEZ magazines help everybody network with their neighbors and other enterprises. A 2010 document was signed that laid the framework for enhanced Chinese-Cambodian cooperation, and this serves guidance for companies and provides state support for them from both sides. The grand plan is to create an industrial cluster of over 300 companies that provide work for over 100,000 employees, all the while abiding by their social responsibility to them and the local community.
Mr. Liu Jianguo, General Manager for Business Development at the China-Africa Development Fund (CADF)
Africa is a new pillar of emerging economies due to its natural resource riches, with 70% of aluminum soil resources being found in Guinea and 95% of platinum production being in South Africa, for example. Some of the Chinese Premiers’ first state visits have been to Africa, and the country has already invested $40 billion into the continent. This number is expected to spike to $100 billion by the end of the decade since China wants to transform “Made in China” to “Made in Africa”. Africa needs electricity, so Chinese companies are readily providing it. Some examples of the diverse projects that China is engaged in are as follows:
* Tin Can Island Port in Nigeria, the country’s second-busiest
* power plants, and TV and refrigerator plants in South Africa
* the Chinese industrial park in Egypt
* progress towards creating regional airlines and routes
* electricity projects in Ghana
* agricultural projects in Zimbabwe
* general support for Jiangsu companies in Africa
President Xi said to spread the Chinese voice to Africa, and that’s what CADF is doing by assisting with all forms of economic development there.
Andrew, thanks for the informative report. Glad to see you are credentialed in China, also.
I believe the US will unleash fierce stock market and currency warfare as it tried desperately with the Naval forces of the Seventh Fleet and other components of the Pacific Command to intimidate and contain China in the South China Sea.
While China tries hard with One Belt One Road initiatives to develop other nations and alleviate poverty and promote development, the US desperation seeks chaos, terror, extremism and conflict in all the regions China works.
Question, Andrew: Were there any negative cross-currents evident in your view of Chinese plans and actions? Are they concerned there will be obstructions placed by the Hegemon?
Hi Larchmonter445,
Thanks as always for your really great feedback! In response to your question, no, I didn’t hear nor detect any of that. The closest that came to it were broad references to defending foreign economic interests in the future through state-to-state cooperation, in what I understood as a reference to the Chinese-Pakistani Strategic Partnership. Amidst the economic warfare that the US has been trying to unleash against China, my impression was that everyone in attendance was MORE motivated to go forward with OBOR than before, since they understood the necessity that the project has for China’s future Great Power survival.
Best,
Andrew
Very interesting and important report, thank you! Is it possible that Russia, as it seems, is not as high developmental priority for China as many of us expected it to be?
No, I don’t think that’s the case at all. Russia’s certainly there, but since nothing is “unpredictable” in that relationship in the same sense as it might be for, let’s say, East Africa or Pakistan (be it security threats, regime change, etc.), I think the speakers refrained from focusing on it. Plus, China seems to be placing a huge emphasis on investing in developing markets through OBOR
I agree with this point. China needs growth and its investments in infrastructure specialties would be very profitable back into Chinese companies large and state-owned and some private companies, too. Interestingly, because of trying to stabilize the stock market swings and enormous (80% drop in the profits of Shanghai market) the state has purchased large holdings in private companies. Thus, they have two sources of revenue growth, but need OBOR to be moving fast and wide to change the GDP quickly.
The entire New Silk Road push out is China’s capitalist weapon system in a very changing environment of old systems dying and new relationships developing.
Dear Andrew,
Welcome back from the One Belt One Road (OBOR) Briefing in China. A very interesting and comprehensive overview of OBOR. I appreciated the fact that you broke down the OBOR into its 4 key elements – the whole piece needs re-reading again to take in all the important points you raised.
One thing in regard to CADF you wrote:
The point in blue has caused a lot of problems on the continent. There are many highly educated people in Africa and a huge brain drain of educated Africans to the EU/US. I think the Chinese should take more care to attract these well educated individuals inside and outside of Africa instead of always feeling they need more Chinese to go there. Bringing more Chinese also brings conflicts where locals feel left out or marginalised in their own countries.
Just something I think the Chinese need to be more sensitive to and maybe try and attract the African diaspora back and hire graduates from African Universities. This may be seen as a more inclusive, sensitive and more harmonious employment model in Africa.
I was also surprised Vietnam went for the TPP (the Malaysians looked miserable at the launch conference) maybe something to do with the Chinese vs Vietnam history. Russia has also signed trade deals and Vietnam wants to join the EEU and have free trade – how will this conflict with the TPP and OBOR project which Russia and China are linking through BRICS and EEU? Thanks.
Rgds,
Veritas
“Just something I think the Chinese need to be more sensitive to and maybe try and attract the African diaspora back and hire graduates from African Universities. This may be seen as a more inclusive, sensitive and more harmonious employment model in Africa.”
This is obviusly true. Interestingly, only a few days ago on ICN channel, I saw an African in China, whose name I dont remember, who has been there for quite a number of years. He has become something of a bigshot there doing “dispute arbitration” !!! – The fact that he’s not chinese actually give the arguing parties a more “neutral” impression, and more people trust him to resolve disputes! Of course, he’s able to speak many different languages, and the helps.
on the TPP, my view is that “yes, TPP is bad, but those countries are being fooled and arm-twisted to agree with it”. However, there may be one bright spot: I wonder if it will help bring India closer to the Chinese and Russian side when it comes to trade, given that they are not looking from the outside in re-TPP.
I suspect the TPP will go deeper than many realise. US complain that the value of the yuan is manipulated and therefore unfair.
My thought is this. If say an Australian company used Chinese tooling or materials to manufacture goods to export to US or another TPP country, US companies may be able to sue the Australian government or companies for loss of profits. They will allege China has unfair advantage by manipulation of currency and therefore the company using the Chinese tooling or materials has unfair advantage.
“US complain that the value of the yuan is manipulated and therefore unfair.”
yes, that’s what US always complain about. Fact is if the RMB were to float, it will drop big from current levels. It is over valued as the Chinese had let it appreciate for the past 10+ years, from 8.3RMB to 1USD to 6.3 to 1USD. I donno of any other currency that has appreciated this much against the USD over that period. In just the past 5 years, the JPY has dropped over 40%… and amazingly, no complaints about “currency manipulation”. Go figure….
Hi Veritas,
Great points, I agree. I don’t think the speaker had any malign intentions when he made that point, but rather was recognizing what many Chinese companies see as a problem — the failure of their countrymen to really want to move there for work. It’s a good idea for them to make use of domestic labor within the country instead, but for whatever reason, it seems like Chinese companies prefer using their own citizens. Hopefully they’ll adapt their approach with time and recognizing the strengths of your arguments.
Best,
Andrew
About Vietnam and TPP, I think that it certainly creates some complications, but then again, Russia was well aware that Hanoi was a negotiating partner to the agreement long before it signed the Free Trade Agreement with it. But, and this is just my personal inclination here, what I think is that Vietnamese-based Russian-owned companies might exploit these overlapping free trade deals to export their products tariff-free to the rest of the TPP bloc. I’m not sure how much of an impact this will have in terms of the overall picture, but I’m sure it’s on the minds of the non-tourist-industry businessmen that already operate there or plan to in the future.
Dear Andrew,
Thank you very much for both your replies. Much appreciated and kind of you to come back to answer. I agree there is no malign intentions and hopefully things will change in Africa and the Chinese will adapt – if they do they will succeed greatly and be rewarded.
In regard to TPP you make an interesting personal view which could be worth watching to see these developments over the next months/years.
Regards,
Veritas
You’re welcome Veritas!
Attention SAKER
Obviously the amnesty of the LPR and DPR leaders only extends to actions under Ukraine law….when and if such amnesty is legislated……..however surely it would be the case that when and if such is enacted there would be no amnesty for these leaders from EXTRADITION for MH-17
Exactly the problem I posted about yesterday.That could be a trick by the junta/US to destroy the LDPR. If that is so,Minsk is dead.And Donbass will need to declare independence as a full sovereign state. No more dealing with junta tricks.
Andrew
why speakers refrain from speaking about East africa Especifically Ethiopia?
Hi Anonymous,
They spoke about it in general, even if I didn’t indicate so, but there was nothing specific enough that they pointed out besides, from what I recall, just the phrase “East Africa” for me to include in the text. I think that Ethiopia is a huge opportunity for any investor, and as you know, China is already heavily involved in the country through their monorail project.
I previously wrote broadly about the possibility of closer Russian-Ethiopian economic relations using a Chinese-built Djibouti-Ethiopian highway as a major facilitator:
http://orientalreview.org/2015/09/07/summer-of-summits-and-russias-grand-geo-economic-strategy-ii/
I hope that you find it both relevant and interesting!
Best,
Andrew
another big explosion in a chemical godown in tianjin, china’s up n coming star , the northern node of the *one belt one road* project.
even hardcore *coincidence theorists* would need to pay more attention to the fundamental law of probability,
*once is accident, twice coincidence, thrice…..enemy action*
whats the score now, i’ve lost count already ?
Putin better be keeping a sharp watch for spontaneous combustions in the Moscow River, too.
Adding to the funky smell is the lesser known, though still very spectacular “accident” that occurred on the very same day, (Aug 11/2015) in Moscow (China’s close ally, as you all know). The Moskva River literally caught fire after an underground oil pipeline ruptured. The thick black smoke rose as high as 600 feet, spooking some panicked Muscovites into spreading rumors that a nuclear attack had taken place. (here)
http://tomatobubble.com/id878.html
yes i posted that one before.
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murkkan media helpfully inform us, unabashedly….
US Defense Secretary Predicts Terror Attacks on Russia !!!
This age: layers of lime harden in the sick son’s blood… There’s nowhere to run from the tyrant-epoch… Who else will you kill? Who else glorify? What other lies will you invent?
*when the honorable *defence* [cough cough] sec of the unitedsnake warns that there will be more terrorist attacks against the russian people and civilization at large. We know, as does the Honorable ash carter, U.S. Secretary of Defense [cough cough], that this statement is an incontrovertible fact, a matter of scientific certainty. And how can we and the Honorable ash carter U.S. Secretary of Defense , be so sure that there will be more terrorist attacks against the russian people and civilization at large?
Because these attacks will be instigated at the order of the Honorable ash carter, U.S. Secretary of Defense. !!!*
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/11/01/rummy-s-plan-to-provoke-terrorist-attacks/
So this is now different how? They have been supporting terrorists for centuries. Just ask all the countries hurt by it. They might try harder to do a high profile attack but this means nothing. They have been trying everything they can for a while now. So they care going to concentrate away from Sudan, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine and south America??? They leave and those countries gets stable and we cant have that so it is not like they have unlimited resources. They still need to keep the locals paid and greased. Moving people out would those gets wacked. Russia was cooperating fully and they got planes downed, metro’s bombed and school attacked. If that is what peace means then bring it on..
no nothing has changed.
the vermins [1] who perpetrated gladio, 911, mh370, mh17 , sars, ebola, prolly earthquakes and tsunamis too, are still breathing, walking amongst us as if they are humans, inflicting ever more deaths and misery wherever they go.
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read cia/pentagon/nsa/mic/banksters/….
What a terrible shame that there is so little understanding of the importance of the nation-state in securing our rights and enabling its citizens to provide for the common welfare. Do you not understand that diminishing national sovereignty through allowing the international banking cabal to control the creation of money & credit diminishes even the potential of its citizens to reclaim their ability to direct their own future?
If you understand that, then how can you celebrate the permanent inability of nations to direct their trade relations?
” Once implemented into practice, OBOR will become a global free trade road map that ushers in a New Trade Order (NTO) and the next generation of global economic governance.”
“Global economic governance”. That which is not decided at the national level– which is instead “governed” in a far bureaucracy– is not susceptible to democracy. It does not care about your welfare. Did you learn nothing from watching Greece vote in vain? When a previous Greek President did not dare submerge his nation under more debt, he announced he would ask for a referendum on it. They were not PERMITTED to vote; he was unseated & a banker put in his place!
NAFTA has made the workers of the US and the workers of Mexico poorer. EU has made all of Southern Europe poor. “Free trade” among countries at differing levels of development always means the de-industrialization of the less developed ones because they cannot yet compete. Under “free trade” they cannot protect their infant industries, they cannot rationally direct their economy, often they cannot even remain food self-sufficient.
There is no such thing as an “independent” central bank; if it’s independent of your nation’s govt then it’s controlled by the banking cabal. There is no such thing as the free market or free trade; everything is controlled by someone. If not by the people through their representatives, then the bankers & the mega-TNCs. Neoliberal economic globalism is not the happy globalism of being able to know others all over the world. Neoliberal economic globalism is a giant farm and you will have no more rights, no more control over your life than animals.
I know that we have not done a good job of preserving our democracy, but it is still recoverable. Almost any one of us knows the several features that need to be reinstituted to give us back our democracy. We have been under attack by an organized group quite determined to produce their global oligarchy, and because of their control of the flow of information you are being fooled.
In Britain there have been deaths by starvation. In southern Europe small groups of children are giving up school because they MUST work. And you are giving away w both hands what men and women fought for. I know that you see that Europe and America were both much better before the growth of neoliberal economic globalism with its vast inequalities. Why would you choose to continue on the same path?
Hi Penelope,
Thanks a lot for your message, and I totally understand your concerns. To clarify, since it seems you might have been a bit confused about my reporting, I’m simply relating to the audience what the speakers said. I didn’t insert any of my own views in the text. What you read in each section is what the respective speaker spoke about during their presentation.
Best,
Andrew
Thank you for clarifying Andrew. I was putting it aside to read later & became livid at only a paragraph or so. My apologies.