Dear friends,
I have to say that the reactions elicited by my posting my question yesterday far exceeded anything I had imagined. Sure, I expected exactly that, I very deliberately did even predict the nature/tone of many of these comments knowing that the hardcore COVID-dissidents either would not see it, or that they simply could not help themselves and would react exactly as I predicted. Still, the vociferous petulance of many of the comments truly exceeded even my wildest expectations and really made my day!
Next, 500 plus replies is huge, second, about 98% of them were clearly infuriated by my post. That, by itself, is quite fascinating and while this is hardly a scientific survey, it shows the “prevailing winds” in the “alternative” or non-MSM media (at least in Zone A). It also shows the level of intolerance the political discourse in Zone A has sunk to.
Also, I need to reassure (or disappoint, depending on your view point) everybody – the blog has not been taken over by Big Pharma, I have not been kidnapped, I am still me. Yes, for some of you this seems impossible, if not unthinkable, but yes, I actually do hold the kind of crimethinking opinions I have expressed in that post. Blame me for it all :-)
Next, I have to say that both the tone and the (overwhelmingly) infantile “argumentation” of the reactions have made my point better than I ever could have: the level of ideological fanaticism and intolerance of almost all of these infuriated comments would have many any totalitarian party youth organization very proud.
One thing was clearly misunderstood by a vast majority of commentators: when I mentioned Putin, I did not mention him alone. I mentioned him and contrasted him with Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel. The point was not to refer to an appeal to authority, but an appeal to DIVERSITY (the real thing, not the woke/home/BLM/antifa/Covid-dissident version of diversity, of course).
So, especially for the alternatively gifted, let me clarify this with a visual aid:
| National leader | political philosophy | spiritual/cultural roots | personal background |
| Putin | sovereignism | Orthodox Christianity | PGU KGB SSSR |
| Xi | Marxism | Confucianism | CCP |
| Khamenei | Islamic socialism | Shia Islam | clergyman |
| Maduro | modern socialism | Marxism/Christianity | unions |
| Arce/Morales | indigenous Marxism | native spirituality | unions |
| Diaz-Canel | Marxism | Marxism | CuCP |
Okay, these are quick, tentative, categorizations. They are all very debatable and please don’t hold me accountable for using them (make your own table with your own choice of labels if you want). I just use them to make a point: Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all very different people, ruling over very different societies and very different backgrounds. I would also add that most of these leaders have proven their courage and their determination to resist the AngloZionist Empire with everything they, and their countries, have. You can dislike these leaders, you can even distrust them, but you cannot say that they are all identical or that they are cowards.
Calling them members of a single conspiracy without providing any unifying explanation is simply logically unsustainable (whether you understand that or not makes no difference).
Thus, my question, which almost nobody bothered to reply to yesterday, still stands: if all these very different leaders hold the exact same position, how do we go about explaining that?
There is something else which struck me while reading the comments yesterday: COVID-denialism is almost exclusively a Zone A thing. Oh sure, there are COVID-deniers/dissidents in Zone B too (Putin has complained about what he sees as a very lax attitude of many Russians towards this pandemic), after all, the western/imperial MSM does very much penetrate these societies, but this is a minority and a much less vociferous one.
By the way, minorities are typically vociferous in an inverse relationship to their influence on society: the smaller the minority, the louder it has to scream to be noticed. You can tell almost anybody that the world is round, and that won’t elicit much of a reaction, but tell that to a flat-earther and you will immediately get in ear-full. Ditto if you ask a woke-person what the evidence is for racial equality (whatever that means).
Still, since yesterday’s open thread with a suspension of moderation elicited so many replies that I will also suspend moderation today. However, this will be the last time, so make good use of it: ad hominems, insults, “divorce letters”, threats to stop donating, declaration about me being kidnapped, etc. – they are all welcome today too, so use it while you can. Come Monday and this blog will return to the evil “censorship” and “gate-keeping” it is so famous for :-)
Last, but sure not least: the unmoderated open thread yesterday showed better than any argument that we absolutely and desperately need moderators. To each his own, of course, but the low intellectual level, the pompous arrogance, the sheer crass ignorance of some (many!) comments yesterday show beyond doubt what a unmoderated comments section invariably turns into. Frankly, if one day I cannot find moderators, I will do what PCR did and simply close down the comments section. I do believe that our comments section is one of the best on the Internet and that is *solely* thanks to the moderators! Guys – I thank you all for your superb and crucial help!!
Okay, that’s it on my end for now. I might drop by later if something interesting happens.
And now, let the stoning resume :-)
Hugs and cheers
The Saker
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Guess what? A Resounding NO in each case
Freedom of Information Request SARS CoV-2 Isolation Feb. 12 2021 Chrono Part 1
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Freedom of Information Request SARS CoV-2 Isolation Feb. 12 2021 Chrono Part 2
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Freedom of Information Request SARS CoV-2 Isolation Purification Existence Chrono Part 3
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Informed Consent? Helpful links below:
Declaration of Informed Consent in Canada
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Student Informed Consent
https://jmp.sh/6FVgjAk
Employee Form
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One other comment: I do think some of these anti-Vaxxers don’t make much sense. However, these days, one can never be sure if one is dealing on the internet with a normal person or a PR operation. Perhaps someone is trying to discredit anti-Vax views by spreading ridiculous anti-Vax arguments meant to turn people off.
There are always the crazies but on the other hand I am positively impressed with lots of well argumented and sourced comments.
@Edward
Can you please provide a concrete example of what you consider “ridiculous anti-Vax arguments” with reference to where it was stated? This is a genuine question because I do not have any idea of what you are referring to.
@Nowegian,
Fair question. I had in mind the politization of the COVID issue during the Trump administration. To me, I think the evidence is pretty clear that COVID is very dangerous, and the Republicans were trying to demagogue this serious problem. My favorite was when Trump suggested curing COVID with bleach, on the advice of a Florida Trump supporter who claimed to be “an alien god from the Andromeda galaxy”. There were parties where people would cough in each others mouths, no mask wearing, and large public super-spreader events. This is what I had in mind, and I think anti-Vax views are a corollary of this general COVID denialism. My original comment, though, was suggesting there might be PR efforts to discredit anti-Vax views by making ridiculous anti-Vax arguments. I don’t have any specific examples of where I think this might be happening. I just think that these days such internet manipulation is becoming normal PR practice, and when large institutions like governments are promoting some line, one has to wonder where or if this is happening.
So you don’t have any examples of “ridiculous anti-Vax arguments” from these 2 articles on the Saker. That was the question. I guess it is because you are hard pressed to find such examples. But by all means, give it another try.
O.K.–since you insist. First, lets distinguish between “ridiculous anti-Vax arguments” and anti-Vax PR sabatoge comments, which could include more general comments such as insults that turn people off. As an example of a comment that could be the 2nd type, I offer the first comment on this thread:
Jackbauer on July 03, 2021 · at 4:53 pm EST/EDT
What a douche bag
For an example of a “ridiculous anti-Vax argument”, I found this comment from the Saker’s first post. It sounds to me like pseudoscience:
Laika von old Monkshusen on July 03, 2021 · at 2:41 am EST/EDT
It’s even more fundamental than that, cdvision. Contrary to what most people believe pathogenic viruses do not exist. It’s nothing but fearmongering by Big Pharma aka “modern Western medicine.”
I reckon the Mafia which runs the West (and above all controls media and medicine) has had a lot of influence on medicine worldwide.
Unfortunately many Chinese, and certainly Iranian and Russian scientists and leaders [1953 NWO coup d’états], are therefore also fooled well by – as far as ‘viruses’ are concerned – unscientific activities in the years 1858, 1953 and1954.
(Of course I took ‘viruses’ and other Western quackery for granted myself until I really looked into it thanks to ‘Rona)
Virologists disregard the fundamental rule of scientific work which is to carry out control experiments.
Even the Federal Supreme Court of Germany had to admit that virology has no basis in science (the solid German scientist Dr. Stefan Lanka won the measle virus process).
See: https://wissenschafftplus.de/cms/de/wichtige-texte about ‘viruses’ (yes, “modern Western medicine” is that corrupt).
Also fearless, solid, and very good: https://learninggnm.com and https://andrewkaufmanmd.com
The first rule about magic money trees is that you don’t talk about magic money trees. The UK government plucked £34.1bn from the magic money tree in December. Joe Biden is talking about a $1.9 trillion shake of the magic money tree with more shaking to come.
Get what lockdowns and masks are really covering?
There is not now nor has there ever been an epidemiological or viral emergency event of any sort anywhere in the world in the year 2020.
The manufactured perception that there was such an event is an artifact of mass media manipulation, behavioral conditioning techniques and social engineering. All of this made possible through institutional programming and accelerated media messaging disallowing basic cognitive processes and eliminating critical thinking possibilities.
What we are in the midst of is a planned total economic collapse. This economic collapse was inevitable, Western governments are putting the security infrastructure into place, trying to proactively control the inevitable social disorder which will result from this collapse. To be followed by a global financial reset, after a period of hyperinflation, which destroys both the value of debt and the corresponding paper claims.
The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this corrupt economic system only delayed the inevitable. In the Fall of 2019 the crisis began to rapidly unravel again.
There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production which showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.
The Repo market is where banks borrow money each day so that they have 10% liquid assets at the end of each day. If they do not have 10% liquid assets they are not allowed to open the next day. Around the middle of September the Fed started pumping $20 billion per day into the Repo market to keep interest rates down so banks could borrow the money to stay in business. By the end of December the Fed was pumping over $100 billion per day into the Repo market and it was not enough.
Simply everyone on Wall Street was loaded with enormous debt and was holding on to US cash to be able to service it refusing to finance purchases of foreign currencies and then US currency as Repo Market froze at 10% interest on overnight Repo loans as US treasury bonds and even US bills were rejected as collateral for Repos.
In fact what happened in March 2020 was just the spread of the liquidity crisis from primary dealers markets (TBTF banks and Hedge funds were actually bailed out in September) toward all other stock, commodities, bonds CLOs, MBS etc, as well to Ponzi schemes called today ETF funds, not to mention structured derivative products traded on proprietary platforms nominally representing up to several thousands of $$$ trillions.
When US treasury bonds and even USTB became illiquid due to exponential growth of public (but most of all private) dollar debt while the FED was sucking up cash from financial markets by tempering QE (called QT ) between 2017 and 2019 reduced FED balance sheet from over $5 T to $3.9T by selling assets, all hell broke loose. Something drastic had to be done.
And hence the FED started to “buy all worthless shit for double the price”, Gates’s and Silicon Valley oligarchic gang took over the media, and Orwellian shrinks and doctor Fauci-Mengeles came to the “rescue” unleashing Operation COVID.
COVID phenomenon cannot be understood without understanding the un-televised 2019-2020 unprecedented financial collapse threatening the entire global financial system. The COVID fraud timing became necessary as the world markets were faced with an emergency debt crisis that popped up in formerly mostly liquid markets: Repo markets, money markets and FX markets.
The entire House of Cards was falling for six months and could not be stopped so COVID hysteria was manufactured to cover up what amounts today to $11 trillion of FED bailout in cash, stock boost via POMO and guarantees of value of collateral used in structured derivatives.
The end game is that the central banks (Fed) will buy all the toxic, worthless debt from the hedge funds and banks, including the 1.5 quad trillion of derivatives, and then transfer the debt to the treasury as sovereign debt. Then print money to infinity to service the fictitious debt to sink the dollar via hyperinflation and then foreclose on the US and everyone else holding debt in worthless dollars.
That’s the coup.There will be global hyperinflation to vaporize the assets of the masses and the states- as soon as the ruling class mops up the last properties. What this means is the ruling class will have limitless claims on everything in the world.
These governments know full well that “Covid” is being used as cover for crashing the economies in the Western world. There is not now and never has been a “pandemic”- that is all Kabuki theater to disguise the reality of the rapid economic decline brought on by the Ponzi Schemes of financial institutions over the past few decades.
Thank you, Saker!
I’ve been thinking along similar lines, but you have formulated it all in a far more erudite and convincing manner than I could have done.
I am a Catholic with very different views from you on certain religious points but appreciate your efforts re Russia vs the Anglo-American Empire very much.
Dear Saker
I for one am very very pleased with your honest open minded and intelligent position.
Indeed for a while last year i avoided the blog because i suspected that you were at one with the crazies that populated this site and now i am pleased that my respect for your intelligence is restored.
Now I suspect that SOME not all of the crazies are deliberate trolls, sent here to weaken this important blog and to make out that it is a site full of nutters. Others sadly are just nutters or perhaps to be fair, ignorant and scared people who seize on simple explanations to justify their fear of vaccination.
There is an occasional bit of truth in the posts by the hostile, but too many take a tiny bit of truth and extrapolate it into a major theory. Far too many use anecdotal “evidence”as if it is sufficient- my great aunt had covid and did not die, so no one dies, there was a false positive in Patagonia so all positives are false, etc, etc. Such people have no training in logic or science- i blame the pathetic education system.
Let me assure you that those of use interested in your comments on the international situation, especially from the perspective of Russia, china etc are happy you have a rational position.
So a bone to the fearful- yes the vaccines have been hurried and there are risks. I personally am faced with a decision about whether to i) risk the AstroZeneca jab with its significant (1/50,000) chance of getting blood clots, ii) to hang on in the hope that I might be allowed to have the Phizer or Moderna jab if they allow people of my age to have it, even though i accept that it is risky too and has unknown long term effects, iii) to become a recluse, banished from most social settings or iv) take my chances in getting the disease and die – which for my area and age is about 4/million. If they open up the borders i will have very little choice except to hazard the AZ.
Thus, my question, which almost nobody bothered to reply to yesterday, still stands: if all these very different leaders hold the exact same position, how do we go about explaining that?
That is a question ANYONE with half a brain could answer comprehensively had they read the 500+ comments you asked for.
That you would insult your most valuable contributors so thoughtlessly and arrogantly is enough for this little black duck to say “goodbye and thanks for all the fish”.
I hope you get better soon.
well LBD
The obvious answer is that they each have a brain, surround themselves with expert and competent advisors, who can understand the science and have the ability to convey it to their bosses.
It is obvious to anyone who looks at Putin or Xi that they are both gentlemen of exceptional intelligence who even without experts around them would be able to read and understand the scientific papers. I cannot answer for the others on Saker’s list but I suspect they may be similar.
The study of epidemics and how to handle them is not exactly new science and indeed the successful countries- China, Singapore, Australia, NZ have relied on the tried and true – quarantine/lockdowns/social distance, using lessons learned in the 13th century. Add to these things learned in the 1800s like disinfection and you have a tolerable strategy for the short term. It is a little more sophisticated than the old days where a cross was marked on a door to indicate contagion, or lepers were made to wear a bell and socially isolate, but the principle is the same.
Every country with enemies has developed some sort of approach to handle possible bioweapons attack- or at least i hope so.
What i think is clear to me is that China initially suspected a bioweapons attack- the speed, size and breadth of their response plus rapid use of military certainly suggested to me that that is what they feared. Add the fact that Iran was the second country to be infected and the potential for a western based bio attack was a possibility that could not be dismissed. (I AM NOT SAYING IT WAS- JUST THAT CHINA THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE) (apologies for the capitals. I have no idea how to do bold or italics)
The real answer, per The Saker, is not science. It is “F—KING POLITICS.”
Katherine
‘Freedom Is Slavery’
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-passports-marketing-technocracy-scientific-dictatorship/
Mother of COVID Vaccine-Injured Teen Tells RFK, Jr. She Was ‘Gaslighted’ by Doctors; Doctors have completely lost the Plot here. They are supposed to Treat their Patients and never Harm them because they swore the Hippocratic Oath. When not treating them Harms them they have violated the Oath. A horrible study of HCQ on Veterans gave LETHAL DOSES without giving Zinc with it to severely ill ICU patients, some on ventilators. Those patients were MURDERED BY THOSE LETHAL DOSES.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-the-defender-podcast-marie-follmer-mom-pfizer-vaccine-injured-teen/
All these posts show man is a fallen creature. Human government will never solve mankind’s problems. Jesus is the only answer to bring about a better world. Repent and be baptized seek the New Jerusalem.
I didn’t even read the original article by the Saker that has prompted all this discussion.
Don’t intend to. Don’t have to.
It’s crystal clear that on this particular subject, the Saker has a pole up his butt and no amount of reasoning can alleviate his pathology.
The irony of ironies is that, in turning this forum on its head to inject his veiled sarcasm into the mix, apparently the Saker thinks that we all care what he thinks.
This post by The Saker is truly insulting to the many people who have followed The Saker and generally agree with his outlook on international affairs, but disagree with the stated opinion of the COVID situation. It is almost shocking the level of disparagement to which the Saker has stooped.
I hope that his efforts here have not been overtaken by the NWO/Davos/WEF deep state, but if they have not and his attitudes expressed here are his, I am truly sorry for him.
Regarding Putin, the jabs, and realpolitik, I recommend this cold-water shower:
https://www.unz.com/ishamir/putin-talks-to-the-nation/
Katherine
Thank you!
https://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/reports/view/157922/
“If the good is good how much better is the bad …”
ZaZen
Good for you Saker, the “brushfire” is raging
The whole point is that individuals have the freedom to choose what they put or don’t put into their bodies. Certainly not the state. The state everywhere has made a huge investment in centralized health care and advocates a one-size-fits-all medical practice model. We libertarians reject that centralized model.
It has been known for over 100 years that viruses do not multiply in an alkaline environment. There are many common organic and chemical compounds that will harmlessly elevate the pH in the sinuses, nose and throat where all Influenza Like Illnesses (ILI) like Covid-19 begin. Do that early, the virus does not multiply and you will be fine.
Big pharma, big medicine and big government do not acknowledge this fact simply because there is nothing in it for them. There are plenty of private practitioners
This is by far the best thread I have ever come across.
Strong opinions are essential to an argument of this magnitude. It is what makes us human. I’ve read this blog for some years and never seen this level of vitriol.
I personally see this epidemic as a political tool that will change the way we live in the very near future. The remedies for the virus are questionable and seem to be based on personal preference. Whether this virus was man made or not it provided a perfect environment for the elite class to enrich themselves, consolidate power over us deplorables and dictate a future that seems more Orwellian as time passes by. Leaders of the world are at an impasse when it comes to a decision how to handle this situation. If this whole thing was planned in advance the creators were very crafty as it shifted humanity on a planetary level. To what end only time will tell. Indeed we have come to a new era and things will never be the same.
These Experimental Gene Therapy injections are not safe, don’t prevent you from getting COVID, don’t prevent the transmission of COVID and fully injected persons can get COVID and die.
https://sputniknews.com/us/202107031083298986-teenager-dies-in-sleep-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-reports-say/
There is an interesting approach to proving the factual basis of the Quran by Dr. Zakir Naik, where he postulated using probability analysis. He begins by collecting “scientific facts” from the Quran and seeing if any facts are wrong. None or unproven, is the conclusion.
Using the proven facts, he would use the probability of anyone from the 7th century getting them right.
There are more than 30 proven scientific facts he mentioned, but he didn’t mention proven historical and linguistic facts.
1. He never came up with any number to approach unity to conclude his thesis. But any number would be highly subjective, even taking worst-case scenarios.
2. To conclude this thesis and get a number would be interesting.
3. The methodology is feasible in any case, bearing in mind, the Quran is not a scientific, historical or linguistic book. It is a book telling about signs (among other things).
Personally, I got no problems taking any vaccines, just not from the West. Meantime, I eat papaya leaves. Not scientific, but my grands ate them during WW2 as anti malarial and dengue, because quinine were for the Japanese soldiers. Good enough for them, good enough for me. (Hydroxychloroquine being a derivative of quinine and papaya leaves taste as horrible as quinine. Again not scientific, but I got problems getting hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.)
Covid19 has become a dogma, either pro or con, with facts falsified, suppressed. Obviously, to use probability analysis, it would be helpful to know what the endgame is. Depopulation? Control? Eradicate covid19? Save people’s lives? Start from the supposed endgame and work back.
My parameters are the west elites never changed their imperial mindset. Nor some of the Jews, their behaviour. With those parameters, the endgame would be dominance. Is covid19 part of this? It’s possible, in making use of a natural or lab originated virus.
I have been reading Matthew Ehret and Larry Romanoff, and they have interesting points of view.
As I reread the comments from the other thread, then I don’t see so many Covid deniers.
I see a lot of people that are skeptical about the rmna vaccins.
And as you may have noticed, all your mentioned leaders don’t have these rmna vaccins.
Catherine Austin Fitts – The Solari Report.
PLEASE Listen to her interview with Greg Hunter
https://usawatchdog.com/using-disaster-capitalism-to-control-all-humans-catherine-austin-fitts/
Fitts explained her analysis in Session 38 of the Corona Ausschuss.
I am going to listen to this interview as well.
I don’t think you can go (far) wrong if you follow the money.
Katherine
I wouldn’t call hardly any of the comments “infantile”, surely that is just plain wrong.
You would do well to read the comments carefully, there is a lot of knowledge and wisdom therein which should not be lightly and intolerantly disparaged You could in fact be schooled by your own supporters!
But in my opinion you are closed off on this topic and will not consider that the alternative may in fact be more right than wrong. I’ll still read you though, as I forgive you. None of us are infallible.
Damn The Saker is going crazier and crazier lol
something hardcore happened in his personal life for sure
Dude u need a good Fu** and chill xD
Zdravsyvuyte Dorogoy Saker! Spasibo Vam za otlichnyy blog. After perusing the insipid invective that filled so much of the commentary from your last two postings, I wanted to express publicly my respect for you and my gratitude for the work you do. While I have grown accustomed to the intolerance and rage that pervades our sad, failing society, I was still taken aback by the vitriol, smug posturing, and combative nastiness displayed by so many of the commenters (especially troll extraordinaire “Mike” — what a petulant, repulsive human being). It is yet another demonstration of how people have become so angry and polarized that they are not capable of having a civil discussion with anyone who deviates even slightly from their rigid ideology. Please don’t be deterred by their nonsensical rantings and ad hominem attacks, which amount to little more than the barking of dogs as the caravan moves on. I know I speak for many viewers of this blog when I say that I appreciate and look forward to your insightful analyses, regardless of whether agree fully with every one of your opinions. S nailuchshimi pozhelaniyami!
Well said Hawaii
Only fools agree with anyone 100% of the time.
I think it has been a “Full Moon” loon and should become an annual “4th of July” skyworks steam release ritual.
And there are some gems in the general mass of whinging and whining.
But it is time to stop trying to compete with UNZ comment noise (of your posts) and get back to focus bloging.
”the vociferous petulance of many of the comments”
It just reminded me of a French joke in the vein of Boby Lapointe (j’adore l’Occitanie). :
‘A young couple were dancing with abandon. The man admiringly tells his partner: Quelle petulance! At what she replies: ‘Depuis quand on se tutoie?’
French speakers would appreciate how fittingly it applies to many comments (a ‘batterie’ à la Joseph Pujol!).
The Saker’s Questions:
1. If all these very different leaders hold the exact same position, how do we go about explaining that?
2. Which one do *you* pick? – (From yesterday).
Answer #1: I don’t think anyone here can pinpoint the positions of those leaders, with regard to all the facets of the larger Covid issue–without having deep trust with them PERSONALLY, along with their closest advisors, and sitting down for multi-hour discussions with each. I don’t think anyone here will have that chance.
Answer #2: Saker, it is such a large issue that I cannot commit to any of your 4 choices.
And there are so many facets to this big issue – and so many interest groups pulling to get the most they can (I think), out of this crisis.
The “chippers” Davos group may be real. Some can present links to documents proposing technological solutions to make it possible. The “great replacement” group may be real – there are lots of bits and pieces that can be put together to argue that case. The Western “communist/monopolists” expanding their market share (at the expense of the small & mid size business owners) may be real–just look around.
I think it was thelastamericanvagabond.com, that a few years ago displayed a world map allegedly from the pentagon, displaying an alleged ring of biological laboratories surrounding China & Russia. Putin also commented a few years ago at a St. Petersburg forum, that he became aware of possibly these laboratories soliciting DNA samples from Russian & Chinese ethnic groups. For what purpose (?), he asked at the time.
What if the “covid” experienced in the West, was different from the “covid” experienced in China, and different from that experienced in Iran, Russia, Italy, etc. Modifications of a similar strains? Natural or not? I don’t think we’ll ever know.
But a contagious disease might also be another wrench that could be thrown in the mix from time to time, as a tax on China & it’s developing relationship with Belt & Road countries. Similar to the outbreaks of terrorism along the various economics corridors they are developing with other countries.
The US & the collective West also have a very large entitlement system (retirement/pensions) problem, which in reneging on, appear to be causing social turbulence & momentum toward what some people call populist movements. As you probably know, there is a culture of people (within the political class) that feel the world population size has gotten way too large, and needs to be reduced by various methods. Each unfortunate “loss” would technically reduce outstanding entitlement liabilities.
There is also in the West, the age-old conflict within the larger religious groups – where some suggest that throughout history, one religious group tries to annihilate the other.
There were also some interesting academic articles put out in recent years, indicating that biological weapons are being designed, that can target specific ethnic groups – while presumably, leaving untargeted ethnic groups immune or unscathed.
Also, we as a readership group here on this blog, do not have correspondents inside each of the aforementioned countries, reporting to us conditions on the ground – such as economic shut-downs, state recommended & mandatory behavioral guidelines, conditions of how the ‘poor’ are being treated as well as the treatment of ethnic groups to which the states may have had a history of tensions with.
I am a resident of the U.S. and the covid situation is weakening the U.S. society in my opinion. If Xi, Putin, and the others in Zone B have the suspicion that the Davos crowd is up to no good with the injections (in terms of administering them to the Western societies) – then why would they say anything about it, and draw attention to themselves? Why not stand back, continue to avoid conflict at all costs, while the “accumulation” of the West’s mistakes compound.
Lastly – This readership group here, does not have a team of correspondents, which are able to obtain samples of each branded type of injection–from EACH country–in order to audit & analyze each specific ingredient. Additionally, the group does not have verification teams at every single injection administration site, to be able to verify the integrity of every single bottle, for each brand, and in each country. Therefore, while this is a very stimulating exercise, nobody here will ever know the full truth.
I do recall reading stories & watching video programs from various African countries (and India) in the past, that reported historical anecdotes of injections (by deception or force) which led to death & infertility. In researching the natural resource extraction industries (mining, Oil & gas), I encountered similar coincidences, which led me to the view that a country with a rich endowment of natural resources – the people that live ‘on top’ of the resource deposit, often find themselves in very unfortunate positions.
Anyway, I’ve learned a lot reading these last two forums – thank you Moderators, and thank you Saker for allowing them.
P.S. The physical bodies of humanity may be a new (or resurgent) arena of statecraft battle – both for internal & external conflicts. Proclaiming anything as “true” or “false” is difficult…because of the large number of people involved and real uncertainties. To rule out the human body as a possible arena of statecraft battle I think would be a mistake, and I understand the people who say: “I do not want to participate”.
It is not so much about “prevailing winds” but about facts. That Israel Shamir (for example) in his columns since the beginning of 2020 has represented and eviscerated punctually, and punctually continues to represent.
You have certainly read https://www.unz.com/ishamir/putin-talks-to-the-nation/ (July 2). It answers (in my opinion) in a perfectly balanced and realistic way to the questions (provocations?) you posed to your readers.
A cordial greeting
Many assume the jab has a single purpose which is to reduce the impact of the virus. I don’t think that is the case given what a number of virologists have projected for the future. Only time will determine if this is the case though.
I live part of my days in a city of 70000 inhabitants. The average weekly death rate by Covid in late 2020 and early 2021 was 15 deaths, almost all elderly.
I personally lost a cousin and six (six!) friends and over a dozen people I knew for Covid. Not to mention the dozens of infected who managed to recover not without suffering, including my 73 yo brother.
Vaccination began in mid-February, the number of dead elderly people has decreased. Today we have an average of 3 deaths by Covid per week and no elderly. Zero.
I’m Brazilian, I’m a survival.
Thank you, Saker.
First of all, I seriously support the use of moderators, especially as practiced here. I did not read all 500 of the comments from yesterday, and was very tempted to supply my own replies to some of them. But I had read so many of them that the futility of responding overcame the temptation to reply
My own view about where and why the virus originated is no longer important unless one believes assessing blame will make the situation better, and I do not believe it does. I find blame a useless method of achieving meaningful change.
I will not be getting these vaccinations because I do not trust the proponents of either side of these arguments. On the other hand, I would do nothing to stop those who wish to accept them getting them. Because I could be wrong too. I think my quandary is really that I do not really trust any of the media on most issues of importance and am forced to rely on my feelings and intuitions instead. But I realize how chancy that action is I rationalize that I can always get an injection later, but I cannot undo one I have already received. And at my advanced age, I am going to die sooner than later. I am not in any hurry to die; I try to balance what I perceive to be the risk of taking the injections to the risk of getting covid-19. But having a math degree, I realize I do not have good enough measures of these risks to make a meaningful decision. Life is like that.
Vaccines are a medical intervention.
All medical interventions carry risk.
Risk varies with each individual.
That is why any kind of medical intervention should always be a choice. These are the facts and they are self evident. Please respect each other.
Dear Saker,
I am not alone in being heart broken by your words.
You mention “adhominem” at the same time as you again insult so many of your readers even with the time tested “denier” slur.
If one criticise Israel, one is not an antisemite. If one questions the 6 million figure or has any historical critique of the WW2 narrative, one is not a “Holocaust denier”.
If one questions the effect of CO2 content in the atmosphere on the changing climate and maybe has other rational environmental concerns about man.made climate change that is not CO2 emissions, one is not a “Climate Denier”.
If one sides with Russia in this new informational war and is bothered by all the lies and propaganda, one is not a Russian troll or Putins puppet…
We all know that using terms like that is merely propaganda, only used in a debate when the real arguments and facts are absent.
Who do you denialist? All of us? The ones opposed to mandatory masks, mandatoey experimental vaccines, censorship, lockdowns, powergrabs in the name of bio-security and much more.
I had Covid. It sucked. I am still against more or less every so called measure in the “new normal”. I am not a sceptic or a denialist.
Neither are most the people who you insult in a quite not Christian way.
Here you do exactly what the disgusting propaganda that has smeared so many of your readers. Why?
There were some stupid comments last time, but most were rational… not childish. The emotional ones were reacting (like mine) on being insulted, placed into groups. We already are by the MSM. But coming from you… come on. PLEASE.
You equate being hesitant on taking an experimental drug with being an anti vaxxer. Please don’t. Even in Russia, 80% don’t want to do it. Moscow local government has to make it mandatory (won’t work). They are not antivaxxers or deniers.
Your question in the political leaders is relevant, but not relevant to one who have to live under lockdown…. and not to people who lost family to suicides because of the lockdowns… or to side effects from the so called vaccines.
Btw.
Ever seen Putin wear a mask?
Your reasoning on these leaders is interesting. But the policy on Covid is so different between Russia and let’s say Australia and Canada, that it cannot really be used to justify.
Your reasoning is so not nuanced.
Simplified: Putin and Maduro agree that covid is bad and most people should vaccinated hence imoosing curfews in the Netherlands, mandatory Pfizer jabs in the US and global tracking and surveillance is good…
Your question is at base fair, if it’s a scam, not a real pandemic, than how could the whole world fall for it, even the ones who would normally call the bluff?
I have many hypotheses, I think they have merit. But discussing it under the umbrella of being an anti-vaxxer, denialist (You even use the word fanatic)… makes the very interesting topic become a screaming contest.
Still, yes there are some that claim “the virus has not been isolated” (planted btw), its just a flu, there are ni viruses, only exosomes…
But what most of us crazy “denialists” as you group us actually oppose to is the response (lockdowns, curfews, masks, treatment, propaganda, censorship,) health passports, and forced profilactuc experimental drugs AKA vaccines.
Btw.
Ever seen Putin or Lavrov wear a mask?
Have a look at the bemasked figureheads of the Global Mafia (NWO):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2020/may/28/world-leaders-wearing-face-masks-in-pictures-coronavirus
Dear Saker!
I consider your reasoning as put forth by you as correct. In fact, the issue you raised (a diverse mix of leaders of Zone B seem to agree that there is some kind of pandemic) keeps bothering me as it runs counter to my perceptions which I cannot disregard.
Here are my main perceptions (from Germany):
1) nobody I know died from Covid.
2) nobody I know got seriously sick from Covid.
3) friends working in hospitals confirm that most people getting treatment for Covid are very old and/or with severe preconditions. The specific hospitals where my friends work are not and never were overwhelmed.
4) the methodology by which the pandemic is officially established is completely illogical: absolute number of of positive PCR tests per 100k inhabitants within 7 days. This methodology is clearly fallacious:
– result depends on the number of PCR tests taken (test more, get more positives)
– result says nothing about the condition of the positive tested person (most positive tested are perfectly healthy)
– the resultant value which triggers the pandemic (be it 35, 50 or 100, all very low by the way) is purely arbitrary.
– PCR test suitable at all to prove Covid?
Not a perception but facts:
5) Government needs to temper with numbers like hospital bed utilisation, etc. in order to prove there is a pandemic.
6) No more people died in 2020 in Germany than in any other year.
So there is a bit of cognitive dissonance I have to admit. Therefore regarding Covid I am an Covid pandemic agnostic but clearly an Anti-Covid-Vaxxer.
The main question is not if there is a pandemic or not. The question is how to deal with the facts on the ground personally. And here it is clear to me that the cure (mRNA vaccines) is by far worse than the disease. I would never get myself vaccinated by any Western vaccine. Also I see no reason why I should get a Russian vaccine which may be better (less bad) but still do not know what it will do with me.
I would be interested in your take on Covid vaccines, maybe separated between vaccines of Zone A and Zone B.
Many thanks for your great work and your logical approaches to things.
Manuel
Why not just wait a couple of months for some Russian microRNA:
https://tass.com/society/1261385
?
You’ll not even need to roll your sleeve up for that one.
Shut it down today already! Saker, you are too tolerant here.
I suspect that a troll army is trying to compromise the blog.
Yesterday’s comments are not to be seen any more thus I again beg for The Saker’s reason for stating that the virus was not deliberately set free from a state run lab.
Well, Saker, I must admit, you have blown me out of the water.
To get straight to the point: you, who questions and debunks the continuous Western anti-Russia/China/Iran/etc. propaganda, have unquestioningly embraced the new Covid religion.
None of the Covid claims, absolutely none, are supported by independent, scientific, fact-based, peer reviewed evidence, I repeat: NONE. I shall name 2 of the basic ones from an endless list.
1. There is undoubtedly some sort of bug or spike protein going around that makes people ill. On the basis of 150 cases outside China a pandemic was declared because of a very dangerous virus. How come the virus has never been isolated, purified, its genome sequenced, and has never been micrographed? Everything is based on a computer-generated virus, as admitted by the CDC, and the Chinese CDC.
The authors of original Corman-Drosten paper of the RT-PCR test have admitted they used a theoretical virus sequence for all their work and calculations. They, like the CDC and every government and agency, claim this is only because no isolate was ever available. BTW, the Corman-Drosten paper has been pulled apart in a peer review. Yet, the use of the highly unreliable RT-PCR tests have been enforced. Why?
2. The experimental mRNA “vaccines” are NOT vaccines, they are gene therapies – Moderna referred to its product as such in its SEC filing. Yet, everybody refers to them as vaccines: why? How come?
Furthermore, their long term effects are unknown, but if the exponentially rising short term adverse effects are anything to go by, there is a disaster in the making. Yet, the authorities continue saying they are safe, and are even coercing kids to take them. Kids, for heavens sake, who have an almost zero risk to contract the disease !! And don’t come with the argument that we all had the DTP vaccine when we were a baby: those are tested vaccines, the mRNA products are NOT tested properly and, I repeat, are NOT vaccines, they are gene therapies that interfere with our DNA.
At the point where I am with my research I could write an essay on all the points that have been swept under the “conspiracy theory” carpet.
Despite this you remain firmly in the Covidian Cultists’ camp and pejoratively call the others Covid deniers (reminds me of Holocaust deniers) or anti-vaxers (when we are not even dealing with vaccines).
I will close here. Suffice to say that, apart from my puzzlement about your unquestioning loyalty to the Covid narrative, you have disappointed me deeply by it. I know you don’t care and you will not revisit your initial decision to join the tribe, that’s your prerogative. I draw my own conclusions.
“Yet, everybody refers to them as vaccines: why? How come?”
According to Wolfgang Wodarg in session 59 of the Corona Ausschuss hearings, the German government, or its health ministry, changed their official definition of “vaccine” in 2009.
“Pandemic” has also been official redefined by the WHO.
As has “cause of death” on the US death certificate.
Katherine
Is it not the case, that at the conclusion to the second Great War, the world was divided amongst the victors? This is a case of collusion of great leaders, Stalin amongst them, for practical, utilitarian, and concrete purposes. How has the world changed in that time, are we now as a race any less homogenous, less capable, less driven? —Or rather, are we even the more convicted, ideological, and compulsive, and altogether far too similar in our failures and weaknesses, namely greed and lusts for petty dominion. But not just some rulers are this way, each one of us as an individual is now so, the entire earth has become joined in infamy. And this particular discussion has been pointed toward a demonstration of the hubris boiling over inside our souls, which forever refuses to recant or reconsider, to forgive, to grant mercy, to see itself as it is as in a mirror. These comments are a mirror of the universal condition of the human race, which is blind to its own state of confusion.
Yes, collusion of all country leaders is unthinkable, ridiculous in fact. Collusion of the victors in dividing the spoils is another matter altogether. So supposing a worldwide conspiracy of this caliber, necessitates that a war proceeds it, or must follow, and that not all, and indeed very few are the victors. But also necessitates that the terms are fundamentally practical in terms of a particular outlook, of a need to survive as best as one sees possible. And also maybe do more than survive.
Saker,
Listen to Dr Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity and RFK Jr of Children’s Health Defence. With all due respect, it you took about a decade to “get” 9/11, can we expect the same for Covid?
8-)
As a long-time, profoundly pro-Saker reader I can only conclude that something is “up” here. I shudder to think that todays (and yesterdays) articles are simply a deep state attempt to harvest, analyze and catalog hundreds of telltale IP addresses.
Saker is probably an agent for Russian Intelligence. I wouldn’t have a problem with that if Russia and USA were truly enemies. But, they are not. They are competing mafias working for the same Bankster Cult.
Saker, are you an agent or a spy………….YOU’RE NEITHER. YOU’RE A DELIVERY BOY SENT BY A GROCERY CLERK.
Ouch! … and you used CAPS as well, … very naughty boy…
You just wait until midnight! … Then back into your cage, … Lol.
I expect our IPs have already been harvested long ago.
But it would be deeply ironic if we ended up “sacrificing” our IPs for a site whose integrity many of us now can’t avoid questioning.
Leaving aside the conspiracy of the virus (it seems to me that the virus is natural, in the context that we are more than 7,000 million people living crowded together and interacting aggressively and stupidly with nature, in such a way that it defends itself: so no it will be the last pandemic we suffer…); Nobody seems to notice that this issue has caught everyone off guard and reacting on the fly and improvising solutions, and with obtuse, incredulous or cynical people, such as Bolsonaro or Trump in a denial attitude, causing even greater damage.
On the other hand, it is generalized with all vaccines, being that, beyond their active principles (another issue to consider), those produced in the “West” are produced by private companies that only pursue profit and about which suspicions arise. on many dark issues for a long time, unlike the state pharmaceutical companies, or with strong state control, such as Russia, China, Cuba, etc., which are dedicated to solving the problem. In fact, my country managed to eradicate the majority of infectious diseases some 50 years ago thanks to the fact that it had prestigious laboratories and a national pharmaceutical industry, problems ensued once these institutions were privatized or closed for the sake of “comparative advantages” …
I am very Sorry for the way these exchanges of comments and replies is turning. It is not good for this Blog which is very important for the free thinking, independant and competent analysises…..
In my opinion it directly stems from the fact that everybody is obliged to have an opinion without the means to build a scientific approach on the subject.
Moreover it is very frightening to acknowledge that the Sars-CoV-2 was fabricated in a Lab. Specially when you are a leader of a large country.
In this very complexe and not well known domain it is not easy to apply any usual criteria to evaluate the weight of any hypothesis. Only scientific facts and logic can be apply. Currently the biological studies and manipulations are dispersed in many Bio Lab in the world with finances and programs not well known. There is the exception of the Gamaleya research institute, heritage of the soviet era like other great scientific institutes, which give an upper hand on this subject to Russia. Hence the Sputnik vaccine (same approach as the AstraZeneca one) elaborated very quickly.
So Putin knows quite everything about the Covid19 and the Sars-CoV-2. It is quite clear now, more than one and half year after, that there is absolutetly zero basis to the zoonotic origin of the Sars-CoV-2. So if it is a Lab creation the odds that it comes from the P4 Wuhan bio laboratory are very high. You imagine Putin pointing at the chinese responsabilities in this Big failure ? I have heard from french friends who have been implicated in the P4 Lab conception and building, and then discarded by the chinese as soon as the Lab has been in operations, that there remain multiple safety problems. Both concerning bio technicians contaminations and external leakages.
I personnaly think that this is an accident caused by the P4 Lab problems, a technician contamination probably. And it was impossible to the CCP to acknowledge the fact.
JMB
My biggest problem with the escape from Wuhan Lab theory is that the virus travelled next to Iran. This makes no rational sense. There is not much travel between China and Iran, at least not when compared to other places. Especially since the Iranian outbreak was in the religious city of Quorm, not Tehran where you might have expected some diplomatic, trade or tourist traffic.
Now the least suspicious explanation could be that the US and EU authorities knew they had an outbreak so jumped in early to accuse Iran to deflect public opinion. I prefer not to dwell on alternative explanations.
One other possibility is that it moved from China to Italy where it hung about a while and Italian tourists (of whom there are many) took it to Iran.
For me the most likely explanation is that it was a leak from a US/Canadian based lab that went undetected through 2019, but revealed itself in the “Vaping Disease.” Probably accidentally it got moved around the world in small numbers, possibly with the young and fit who were largely symptom-less. The Chinese, ever alert because they fear biological attack noticed it and acted very fast, alerting the rest of the world.
I also think the European strain did a bit of a mutation, (as has the current Indian/Delta strain) and became more lethal and more infectious.
Other options which may have been involved or assisted spread/mutations include cold weather -this virus seems to love cold areas and we have found those working in cold rooms eg meat packers or those handling frozen fish, particularly susceptible.
Another fairly obvious route of transmission that is suspicious in that it is never mentioned, is the humble pussy cat. We KNOW that cats and relatives including minks are very susceptible and we also know that pussy cats just love hanging around fish markets. Forget the pangolin and go look for some kittens.
Thx for your comment.
You are absolutetly right.
In fact it has been asserted that at the end of 2019 the Covid 19 was present in China, in the US, in France.. with very distinctive strains. And in the early 2020 there has been three main outbreaks of the Covid19. Mainly in China, in Iran, and in the touristic region in Italy.
So you get reason to question the Sars-CoV-2 dispatching in the World.
This question like many others has not been truely investigated. I have some ideas but it is just my personnal thinking.
One must had that there are many collaborations and common programs on Biology, between the US, the Canada and China. It is known that chinese biologists have worked in Canada and US Labs and even have traveled with viruses.
Well Saker, you opened your door, you invited them in, said “make yourselves at home”, and you offered them conversation. And they started yelling, throwing food around, and peeing on the aspidistra in the corner. I look forward to Monday. Peace, and tks for the insights that you generously share.
“And they started yelling, throwing food around, and peeing on the aspidistra in the corner.”
Ah, if you are referring to that minority of people lacking respect to Saker, I agree with you. If you are referring to the majority who presented Saker with some facts he cannot cope with, then I disagree.
My gut felling is you are referring to the 2nd group, which, if true, shows you have also embraced the new Covid religion with all its dogmatic “thou shalt not question” nonsense.
Friend. You have chosen to delimit two groups. They are the conceptual creation of your own mind and, in my view, are neither accurate nor exhaustive of the opinions offered. And, I bow to no one.
Why do 6 competent human leaders, their staff, and their bureaucracies, get caught up in an information cascade?
I don’t know their minds, so you ask an unanswerable question.
It’s much easier to look at how and what nations did.
Britain instituted a lockdown using the 1984 England and Wales health act (before passing the covid act that expanded its powers during pandemics) – which does not allow for the quarantining of healthy people.
Here is a meta-analysis from JAMA on covid transmition..
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102
The interesting bit:
“Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%)”
This is data, this isn’t what some old dude was thinking.
Asymptomatics (healthy people), don’t spread the virus. No need to lock healthy people up. This is not new data either.
The PCR test was discounted as a diagnostic tool by Katy Mullins himself. Here is a nice long interview with the man https://youtu.be/nuWH1zFfX5A
Now the vaccinated get different rules from the CDC to be declared a case (must have a test with a cycle threshold 40 and die of a motor accident 27 days later, and are a covid statistic.
There is a lot of fowl play, and it has been around since the beginning. The only ones I didn’t feel acted badly are China – they treated an unknown unknown as it should have been treated.
But within a few months there was enough data and treatment (intravenous Vit C and HCQ were discovered early), that emergency, completely novel medicines that affect the epigenome (in a way science doesn’t yet fully understand) were completely unjustified.
It doesn’t have to be a big conspiracy like Gates et al want to reduce the size of the human population, it could just simply be that government has been captured by corporations and wealth, and this covid has been seen by western ‘nations’ (plantations really) as an opportunity to squeeze a bit more profit.
As for a guess with respect to the axis of resistance?
1) it looks like a weaponised virus, and it hit Iran’s leadership in a suspicious way. The US is the runaway researcher on bioweapons, it is likely it did it. So you have to treat this thing seriously, whatever the case. It even allows a serious real life training experience for your military.
2) treating it seriously and getting good outcomes is good PR for all these people. Get a vaccine out to the world, good stuff.
3) going along with the ruse means the west continues messing up badly, but this time with really serious economic consequences. The economic impact was like war, so if you can outdo the other guy this way, there is no need to lose lives on a battlefield. (And we can all be fairly confident that western leaders these days will make mistakes whatever they try!)
But 0.15% IFR? Answer me that!
Words matter. The powers that be, have been playing fast and loose with words in order to manipulate populations. Read on and learn. Apologies in advance for the unavoidable length of this article.
Pandemic:
Since 2003, the top of the WHO Pandemic Preparedness homepage has contained the following statement: “An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness.”
On 4May 2009, the web page was altered. The phrase “enormous numbers of deaths and illness” had been removed and the revised web page simply read as follows: “An influenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity.”
Source: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/7/11-086173.pdf
Within Australia, there were “no enormous numbers of deaths or illnesses”. So prior to May 2009 there would have been no justification for a State of Emergency based on a pandemic. Yet, using the new definition, declaring a pandemic was justified.
Note: Notice of Declaration of State of Emergency made by the Minister for Emergency Services under section 56 of the Emergency Management Act 2005. The Minister declared the emergency in respect of “the pandemic cause by virus Covid-19”.
Source: https://www.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-08/Declaration%20of%20State%20of%20Emergency.pdf
PCR Test:
The so-called PCR test is a actually a “process” to achieve a certain objective. Yet the government has chosen to use it as a way of determining infections(cases) to justify locking down the country, destroying the economy and harming thousands, if not millions, of ordinary Australians. Dr Kary Mullis, Nobel prize winner and the creator of the PCR test clearly states that the PCR test does not tell if someone is infected. That the cycle threshold can be manipulated to give a desired result. It is significant that WHO does not specify what the cycle threshold should be.
Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/OFkDtjS98Xsz/ (video from 1.00mins to 5.50mins)
Serology:
9June2020 WHO website, Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Serology. What is serology?
Serologic tests measure the antibody response in an individual. Antibodies to COVID-19 are produced over days to weeks after infection with the virus. The presence of antibodies indicates that a person was infected with the COVID-19 virus, irrespective of whether the individual had severe or mild disease, or even asymptomatic infection.
To accompany COVID-19 surveillance, seroepidemiologic studies are conducted to measure the extent of infection in the population among people who did not seek health care and were missed by current surveillance efforts because they either had no or mild symptoms. With any novel virus, including the COVID-19 virus, initial seroprevalence in the population is assumed to be negligible due to the virus being novel in origin. Therefore, surveillance of antibody seropositivity in a population can allow inferences to be made about the extent of infection and about the cumulative incidence of infection in the population.
Source: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology
13Nov2020 WHO website, Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Serology, antibodies and immunity. What is serology? What is the difference between molecular testing and serologic testing?
‘Molecular testing’, including polymerase-chain reaction (PCR) testing, detects genetic material of the virus and so can detect if a person is currently infected with SARS-CoV-2.
‘Serologic testing’ detects antibodies against a virus, measuring the amount of antibodies produced following infection, thereby detecting if a person has previously been infected by SARS-CoV-2. Serologic tests should not be used to diagnose acute SARS-CoV-2 infection, as antibodies develop a few weeks after infection.
Source: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology
Herd Immunity:
9June2020 WHO website, Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Serology. Definition of Herd Immunity:
Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. This means that even people who haven’t been infected, or in whom an infection hasn’t triggered an immune response, they are protected because people around them who are immune can act as buffers between them and an infected person. The threshold for establishing herd immunity for COVID-19 is not yet clear.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20201101161006/https:/www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology
31Dec2020 WHO website, Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Serology, antibodies and immunity.
Definition of Herd Immunity:
‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached.
‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. WHO supports achieving ‘herd immunity’ through vaccination, not by allowing a disease to spread through any segment of the population, as this would result in unnecessary cases and deaths.
Herd immunity against COVID-19 should be achieved by protecting people through vaccination, not by exposing them to the pathogen that causes the disease. Read the Director-General’s 12 October media briefing speech for more detail.
Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick. Vaccinated people are protected from getting the disease in question and passing on the pathogen, breaking any chains of transmission. Visit our webpage on COVID-19 and vaccines for more detail.
To safely achieve herd immunity against COVID-19, a substantial proportion of a population would need to be vaccinated, lowering the overall amount of virus able to spread in the whole population. One of the aims with working towards herd immunity is to keep vulnerable groups who cannot get vaccinated (e.g. due to health conditions like allergic reactions to the vaccine) safe and protected from the disease. Read our Q&A on vaccines and immunization for more information.
The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated. For polio, the threshold is about 80%. The proportion of the population that must be vaccinated against COVID-19 to begin inducing herd immunity is not known. This is an important area of research and will likely vary according to the community, the vaccine, the populations prioritized for vaccination, and other factors.
Achieving herd immunity with safe and effective vaccines makes diseases rarer and saves lives
Source: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology
ps very interesting link: https://allswritewiththeworld.medium.com/why-did-the-who-alter-its-definition-of-herd-immunity-d701abeb5a77
“For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated.”
Sorry, I know you have already exposed the instability of the official Corona Chan narrative, but I just couldn’t let this one pass.
The entire premise of this “herd immunity” model, in this case applied to measles, is “that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated”.
But this is simply not true – the logic doesn’t work – when applied to the Corona Chan “vaccines”.
Both the American CDC and the vendors of the “vaccines” (Moderna, pFizer, Johnson & Johnson as well as AstraZeneca) freely admit that their “vaccines” neither stop the infection or spread of Corona Chan.
You can catch and spread Corona Chan just as easily whether you are “vaccinated” or not.
The supposed “breakthrough” Corona Chan cases demonstrate this to be the case.
Ergo, the WHO is blowing smoke up our collective butts. Apparently, they think we are too dumb to notice.
With billionaire money to assist their research, big pharma have the elixir to extend life indefinitely. They can now enjoy their wealth to the fullest, avoid meeting the Maker and rebuild the coliseums. Who needs Christ for eternal life, right? This has got to be a reward worth considering for the person who has money, power and family. But seriously, these leaders could be part of a sting or just following protocol. I’m guessing the Russian vaccine is H20 (or it’s pharmaceutical name: tapperius waterius) while China has the legitimate cure.
Covid 19d already doesn’t seem to care much about vaccins, considering the current new waves.
And if not that, Covid 20 won’t.
And then comes Covid 21.
So the question is: ‘Have you got your update?’
If not you won’t receive your QR code ;°)
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/c1926a_cc9d8209f4b34dfeaef78e5bed9d42c5~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_720,h_405,al_c,q_90/c1926a_cc9d8209f4b34dfeaef78e5bed9d42c5~mv2.jpg
These two ‘articles’, the extraordinary sincerity of the comments in the face of ridicule and mockery, have brought into the open the venom lying in the shadows. Perhaps it is a good thing, as exposing evil is the great victory of the human spirit. We have to take a deep breath and move forwards, that’s all.
in hard times u recognize the idiots from the non-idiots? the highest german commander of stalingrad died peacefully in his sleep decades after the battle. did u ever realize why?
they always play along the rules of the game. and you my friend, are just a cattle on a farm. maybe a propaganda cattle, but still a cattle. thank god cattles never visit a burgerking to learn what cattles are born for.
Curious.
My analisys of the 500+ is opposite to yours.
I saw most of the comments as friendly, articulate, raising valid points.
On many of them you could see that even when disagreing with you people where respectfull and cherishing your work. Even concerned with your well being.
“Still, the vociferous petulance of many of the comments truly exceeded even my wildest expectations and really made my day!”
Glad you re happy. In any case you should double check with trusted 3rd party that all is good and dandy, because there seems to be some cognitive dissonance going on.
Dear The Saker,
I have followed your blog for some time now and I honestly appreciate your take on issues such as Syria, military analysis, the Middle East, and Russia. Your expertise has been well demonstrated.
But I want to ask you, in all sincerity about your 4 questions for anti-vaxers.
First of all allow me to say that I believe that vaccines have been one of the modern medical wonders. They have alleviated a host of childhood diseases no doubt. I was vaccinated as a child and to this day I have not seen the inside of a hospital except for the birth of my second son. I vaccinated all three of my children and I still have a vaccination book that records my travels to various countries that required it, primarily Yellow Fever.
But I find your 4 questions rather illogical.
The first 3 are nothing more than an appeal to authority.
You state that because Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all saying the same that we should just believe them and get on with it.
And secondly your 4th point is basically just short of an ad hominem, in other words, “I’m too stupid to accept facts and so I refuse to listen”.
I’m more than happy to change my mind if you care to elaborate.
And in all honesty why are these the only possibilities? Are there not other options and opinions?
This is what I would call “Каждому по вере…” (apprx. “..by one’s Faith”). Funny, but many centuries after “The Enlightenment” and years of “technical progress” we still have to admit the life is rather a miracle, whereas manmade tools are never perfect. Living in Germany I flew to Moscow for Sputnik, although EU would not admit/certify it officially. Got already 2 jabs, took each time ~20 minutes (it was right before recent escalation with “numbers”). Why I did this (even if I had a quick chance for Pfizer)? Just read a bit about mRNA and vectors. I am a physicist, which changed to IT. This gives me understanding, where is my limit of rational thinking/arguing and where an “intuition” begins which is kind of belief. Having that rich mixture of information from the media one has practically no chance to absolutely defend either of the sides. I will try to imply to my wife to avoid mRNA especially as Germany has no “numbers” now, but it does not mean I am a dissident, rather I am a “rational believer in Putin” (although not a believer in any human or corporation at all)
Saker,
I, like many of those who posted on this topic, am simply confounded by your stance. It seems out of character, particularly the framing of the issue, from your normally balanced approach. The vaccines of Zone A have proven to be less-than-effective in preventing transmission or acquisition of the virus, while being deadly to thousands of people (having already killed 1.5 times the 9/11 bodycount in the US, and five times that in Europe.) It just seems like you’re off on this one, and it doesn’t make sense. That you’re doing touchdown dances for being “right” about the “lunatics’ rabid religiosity” doesn’t help, either.
Perhaps the general confusion is resulting from the TYPE of vaccine being offered to the captured herds? Put a gun to my head, I’d choose Sputnik, and walk away resentful, but with at least a modicum of hope I won’t get a heart ailment or have a stroke or develop mad cows’ disease at some point in the next ten years. But I don’t get that choice here in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. Here, I get gene therapy or the gulag. With those being the ACTUAL choices offered, why is it surprising to you so many of us are ANGRY, let alone suspicious, and your stance, which seems to make light of the situation, if not absolutely discounting it as “conspiracy theory”, is troubling?
You are entitled to your opinion, just as everyone else is. I don’t think the “crazies” (which I apparently am one) are disputing that; your opinion, given your fact-based approach, has just taken quite a few of us aback, is all. That being said, there ARE doctors, scientists, and virologists stating unequivocally the spike protein itself is toxic, and the vaccines (mRNA variety) employing means to emulate it are poisoned chalices. What if they’re right? Shouldn’t there at least be a pause in the rollout until we find out? Particularly when one considers the success of Ivermectin in treating covid in India (until it mysteriously was stopped) as an alternative to the gene therapies from Pfizer and Moderna (which, if we’re splitting hairs, aren’t vaccines at all, at least as the word was defined up until about 18 months ago)?
I WILL say your stance has caused me to “question my faith”. You are someone I’ve enjoyed reading over the years, and whose opinion I’ve come to value when considering international affairs. That someone I hold in such esteem has planted a flag firmly in ground totally opposite of where I stand has given me pause, and made me re-think why I’m so rigid against covid-19 vaccines. It hasn’t CHANGED my view of them, PARTICULARLY the mRNA witches brew varieties, but it’s provided a bit of nuance.
I think he doth protest too much.
I think Kim Jong-Un has his opinion on that question.
Why not ask him ? (open question)
As far as I know, DPRK does not plan on getting any v*ccine produced.
I am astounded and saddened.
The very man that has learned us so much about how to see through the lies of the empire, is now completely turned downside up.
remarks that are very very intelligent are considered troll rubbish without even going into the (often smart) content.
Just turn on the television, and you get your vaccination propaganda stuffed down your throat in the exact same way the Iraqi mass destruction story was stuffed, or the peaceful demonstrators, or the poison on the British streets or MH17.
Discontent,,, there is no discontent.
So even though you might not see the snake hidden under the grass, you damned well know for sure, the snake is out there.
Just not sure what kind of snake.
Making fun of people that do see the snake, and ridicule and insult them is not wise.
Hi Rik,
this is interesting what you say: “learned us so much about how to see through the lies of the empire”.
Did he LEARN to SEE ?
or
to SEE the LIES?
or both?
Bit different things. I appreciate the Saker for “learning to see”. And what I finally see, It is up to me to decide. “to SEE the LIES” is exactly what MSM propaganda is doing, their goal is to make you believe in what they need you should believe.
On “funded by” conspiracies: don’t cherry-pick sponsor names. Do a weighted analysis of:
1) All the names in the sponsors list
2) The sums that each of these sponsors sent
3) The alignment of the sponsored organization with its own stated mission AND with the stated (and non-stated) mission of each sponsor.
Generally speaking, if someone wants to give you money to advance your cause – you take the money. As long as your pool of sponsors is diverse enough, there won’t be a particular organization/person that can use its funding to twist your arm.
This IS a concern for many organizations, yes, but it’s not as bad as you think.
The question is this: What would cause all the governments (or most anyway) to work together in lock-step fashion regarding the so-called “deadly” Covid19 virus?
“The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, adopted by all United Nations Member States in 2015, provides a shared blueprint for peace and prosperity for people and the planet, now and into the future. At its heart are the 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), which are an urgent call for action by all countries – developed and developing – in a global partnership. They recognize that ending poverty and other deprivations must go hand-in-hand with strategies that improve health and education, reduce inequality, and spur economic growth – all while tackling climate change and working to preserve our oceans and forests.”
If you look at those goals, you realize as they did that the goals are not achievable without an extreme reduction in population. According to internet sources, the ideal population of the world should be about 1.9 billion people, approximately what it was in 1900. Some countries are more overpopulated than others, and some governments are more motivated towards achieving those goals than others. If it is, in fact, their plan to reduce the population of the world as a giant first step in achieving those goals, they are off to an impressive start!
What governing body does not want to rule a country with fewer problems and protests? They all want to achieve that! Massive migrations of people from country to country will help to achieve the goals that they have set…in terms of “equality” for all. I’m not saying I agree with their “equality for all” plan because those in charge will definitely continue to be more equal than everyone else! It will also help to achieve their reduction in carbon footprints that they are looking for, as well as preservation of resources.
The “garden of paradise” that they are trying to obtain will certainly be a wonderful place for the elite and their children to live in. For the rest of us who have to die and sacrifice our own children and grandchildren…..well….Not so good!
I want to emphasize that I do not agree with their plans. Even in the days of Jesus Christ there were rich and poor people, and inequalities among many. And yes, there were slaves in that day, and wars and many other difficulties to endure. I read that the population then was about 500 million people worldwide.
I think Russia is one of the countries at the greatest risk for “invasion” by climate migrants and others needing, simply, more space. Or just “some” space.
Same is true of the USA—at risk for major internal migrations owing to increasing unlivability of the American West (fires, high temps, no water). In fact, any cooler area with sufficient water should protect its borders and current population now.
Anyone living in those countries or areas should probably acquire some property NOW in an outlying area with adequate water and a few fields to farm.
As for The Saker, could be that living in Florida, USA, is finally getting to him. I suggest a nice vacation in a lovely, remote area of Russia. I’m not giving the name of the place. I’m keeping it a secret.
Katherine
The health (and freedom) ramifications of Covid is an existential issue for me as a 70 year old, who as a non-immunologist has had to make personal choices based on conflicting advice. I believe that is why this post generated so many comments. Attracted by their large number I started by scanning them and found them so interesting I ended up reading them all, a bit like the Zerohedge experience! Maybe your readers in general would appreciate your relaxing censorship of comments. It raises the question, who is this blog for, you or the people who read it?
Forgive me for saying so, but you did ask a daft question, so you got some flak from intelligent and well-informed people. What all of these leaders have IN COMMON is that they are legally bound to act in accordance with the health dictates of the WHO.
I found that the great majority of commenters like me are deeply sceptical of the motivations of our political and health authorities, because their actions during this crisis are not consistent with safeguarding public health. In April 2021 the Levada Centre carried out a nationwide survey in Russia which found that 56% of respondents were not afraid of contracting Covid, versus 42% who were; a whopping 62% stated they were not ready to be vaccinated with Sputnik V, versus 26% who were, and just 10% who had already had it. The Russian street clearly does not trust the official line on Covid either. https://www.levada.ru/en/2021/05/19/coronavirus-and-vaccination/
Very interesting point John – thank you for that! I was wondering about the internal Russian opposition to the SarsCov 2 fear mongering and I knew it existed, because Russian people know well how to ‘read between the lines’ when it comes to government declarations.
No one is mentioning Belarus, where from the beginning Lukashenko has flatly denied the seriousness of the pandemic, refusing to impose a lockdown, close schools, or cancel mass events like the Belarusian football league or the 9th June Victory parade. Belarus is the only country that refused to impose a coronavirus quarantine, despite recommendations from the WHO. “The IMF continues to demand quarantine measures, isolation, a curfew. This is nonsense. We will not dance to anyone’s tune,” Mr. Lukashenko has said. [!]
Sweden is another country, where it shows that there is no ‘one-size-fits-all’ correct country policy on SarsCov 2, a virus which has been shown everywhere to be deadly only to most vulnerable, namely the elderly and those already ill people.
While I admire SAKER’s efforts to expose the ‘Empire;s War on Russia’ – everybody who comes to this site does – he has made a fundamental error here in extrapolating Putin’s policy vis a vis SarsCov 2 to other countries. Russia has its own reasons for doing what it does, they have to consider the opinions of the WHO, bio-weapons war-fare and its repercussions, maintaining its own Russian domestic pharmaceutical industry, that is why hearing what Russian’s themselves think about this question is very relevant.
“Maybe your readers in general would appreciate your relaxing censorship of comments. It raises the question, who is this blog for, you or the people who read it?”
Actually, I agree with you here. I put a similar suggestion way back when that he should just create a “Zone A” strickly monitored thread for the focused reader and a parallel “Zone B” thread of the whole or the more discursive material (monitored only for real spam rubbish etc). Let the reader(s) decide their choice. But I think it is too hard either technically (actually not, imo) or just rubs the wrong way with an authoritarian character type.
Anyway, he has managed to co-opt many helpers into doing the filtering so the end product is generally a pleasant read. One can always go to other blogs (ZH or UNZ) to read the comments from the army of frustrated pundits desperate to share their ‘wisdoms’ etc — in general they would only be replicating their zealous spiel here.
I’m neither a vaccination fan nor categorically opposed to it. I got a couple of vaccinations that I found useful and I take care of renewing them in due course but I, for example, never hot a flu shot. I accept that being vaccinated can reduce the likelihood of the disease one is vaccinated against from breaking out and that it can save my life. On the other hand, there is never a 100% protection, the reaction of the body to vaccines can be strong (I experienced that in the past) and the vaccination itself isn’t riskless either. So, in my eyes it is always a cost-benefit analysis whose outcome may differ from case to case.
Governments press for the vaccination of the population for the external effects this has on society (some politicians also because they are in the pockets of Big Pharma). Every vaccination has a marginal effect on the likelihood of a further spread by increasing the probability of an infection chain to be interrupted or slowed down. But here lies my problem with this kind of reasoning.
From a moral point of view, everybody first and foremost is responsible for protecting himself. It’s a task that I cannot outsource to government, society or what other abstract concept I may have. A vaccine is a kind of poison I put in my body to achieve certain effects (hopefully, as it doesn’t always work). And what I put in my body is exclusively my decision. Forcing someone to take a personal (if only slight) risk for one’s health to protect others is morally unacceptable IMHO.
I think the denial of Covid is a reflection of the deep dissatisfaction with all the things going wrong rather than a deeply held belief. Dissatisfaction about no discussions in terms of cost-benefit analysis of lockdowns (which would lead to them being abolished immediately); dissatisfaction with politicians putting burdens on others while not adhering to their own rules and, partly, using them to push through other agendas; dissatisfaction with the way how aspects of life changed for the worse without a perspective of improvement; dissatisfaction with the complete lack of an honest debate about vaccination including the unknown dangers of mRNA vaccines due to the complete absence of any longer-term studies; and dissatisfaction with the fact that so many people uncritically accept what is presented to them by authorities.
But all of it doesn’t make one’s statements more credible. To the contrary. There are many things that can very rightly be criticised (and with good reasons and arguments). One doesn’t strengthen
Wow
Why is “Saker” taking it so personal.
Or is Saker trying to keep the record straight just in case.
Perhaps some pressure is building up.
Perhaps “Saker” should be given the benefit of doubt.
It would be interesting to find out how many of the people which posted on this subject entered a valid or a fake email address.
It is easy for a moderator to go to any of the web pages which check the validity of an email address and see who actually backed up their posting with a real email address and which ones are hinding behind fake/phantasy email adresses.
Cheers from France.
Hahaha…
I will take advantage of the lack of moderation, to insult your fascizoid ass!
Whats your fixation with anonimous posts?
Clearly you never heard of anonymous email servers and other tools of the trade have you?
Maybe we should all put drivers license and bank account attached to the posts no?
An argument must stand by itself, not by the authority projected on it by whom presents it.
You ignorant fascist droid!
Someone
Exactly to avoid this kind of postings.
Only cowards and trolls hide behind fake names and use fake emails.
Go fuck yourself with a pitch fork!
:)
“Thus, my question, which almost nobody bothered to reply to yesterday, still stands: if all these very different leaders hold the exact same position, how do we go about explaining that?”
You probably won’t like my answer, but nonetheless, you can no longer say your question has not been directly addressed.
The leaders are not in a conspiracy. Rather they are the victims of a conspiracy – a medical conspiracy headed and planned and executed by Big Pharma through their many avenues of global influence – the media (who depends on them for ad revenue), medical associations and academia (led by and funded by Big Pharma), Big Pharma-funded non-profits who work tirelessly to influence to the public and governments, and through lobbying and “medical advisory” groups “guiding” governments around the world (WHO, CDC, FDA, SAGE (in the UK)). The influence of Big Pharma is extensive and has resulted in a pervasive medical culture that is geared towards treatment with pharma-produced drugs under patent, and geared against natural cures and low-profit generics (HCQ, Ivermectin, etc.) out of patent.
They have created a society reliant on government and professional “guidelines” and “expertise”, rather than the traditional, time-honoured doctor/patient relationship in which any treatment was acceptable if both the doctor and the patient were in agreement. Now the doctor is hamstrung by the “advice” of the various medical associations, national and international. When a disease like Covid arises, who do you call? Yes, your medical “experts”. And who are these “experts” – they usually either currently sit on the boards of pharmaceuticals and big-Pharma funded organisations or they have such a history.
No, Biden, Trump, Xi, Johnson, and other leaders of the major countries of the world are not in collusion but are rather victims – as are we all.
Well said Victor, thousands of doctors and health scientists agree to varying extents that all is not right, there is much wrong with the mainstream narrative, at the very least Big Pharma has warped the science in tackling Covid. Saker is a brilliant expert with military and strategic aspects of geopolitics and knows the corruption runs deep in finance and geopolitics, but why he doesn’t accept that corruption runs just as deep in medicine-pharma-health regulatory authorities-academia, is perhaps because it is not his area and everyone including world leaders like Putin, Xi et al are to some extent snookered by the Medical-Pharm-Industrial-Complex.
For further insight into this topic and the wet dreams of Big Pharma (deeply entwined with the US Department of Defense and its IT subdepartments) and WEF ilk, I highly recommend Whitney Webb’s investigations of this subject:
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/investigative-reports/a-leap-toward-humanitys-destruction/
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/from-event-201-to-cyber-polygon-the-wefs-simulation-of-a-coming-cyber-pandemic/ [[my suggestion is to avoid being online or using one’s devices in any way, shape, or form on and around July 9—precautionary principle—I have it on my calendar]]
Webb’s interview at the latest Corona Ausschuss session, sessioni/Sitzung 59.
She presents the genealogy of the ideas of which the current crop of mRNA jabs is one product.
Katherine (a “corona crazy” ha ha)
Hi Saker,
I live in Switzerland (Valais) and I hope that you will read this post.
I think that some of us are not against the Vaccine, but against a mandatory Vaccine. Especially for children.
We are also against lockdowns, masks everywhere and biological passport.
We are also opposing the censorship on youtube, facebook, twitter.
Vaccine is good if you are at risk or after a certain age.
The problem is that if we let them, they will not stop with covid, but continue with influenza, papillomavirus, etc…
Russia managed well the covid crisis, but Moscow mandating vaccine crossed a line for me.
Also China is not a model of society that I would like to follow. I know that people here like China. I agree that it is good that they oppose the US, but I do not want to live in such a society.
You may want to check some videos from Ivor Cummins (the fat emperor) about real data and science.
Best regards
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Dear Saker,
I also have enjoyed your blog for many years & am largely in agreement with you.
I have an MD & PhD. There are reasons to be sceptical of the mainstream narrative with regards to Covid. I’ve been following the debate with many health researchers & clinicians online and with colleagues in real life – it is not cut & dried.
1. The evidence SARS-CoV-2 came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology is very strong. China admits no bats ever sold at the wet market, WIV is few hundred meters away, Spike protein is highly adapted to humans behind any other species, furin region shows amino acid sequence not normal in nature, suspicious removal of data at WIV & early pattern of cases in Wuhan relate to public transport lines around WIV more than the wet market. Dr Shi Zhengli (the ‘Batwoman’ of China) gave lectures detailing the gain of function research done on bats in her WIV lab, bats that were sourced from Yunnan caves over 1,000km away.
2. WIV received funding from Dr Tony Fauci at NIH & from New York virologist Dr Peter Daszak. Fauci-Daszak emails reveal collusion to suppress lab leak theory. Very early in 2020 Daszak organised 27 author letter to Lancet condemning any scientists who supported lab leak theory as ‘conspiracy theorists’ thereby setting the narrative early & gas lighting the field on what would be permissible dialogue in journals etc.
3. Prof Francis Boyle, Law Uni of Illinois (particularly bioweapons Law for which he drafted the current US Law on bioweapons for Congress), noted his virology colleagues, that he had consulted for years re bioweapons activities, believed early it was a lab ‘gain of function’ (GOF) enhanced to infect humans but were too intimidated to speak out. He pointed to several peer reviewed papers showing GOF research on bat coronaviruses by labs collaborating: WIV, Uni Nth Carolina, Fort Dettrick in Maryland, Winnipeg in Canada. The GOF research was heavily criticised as too risky Frankenstein style research by virologists in articles to journals like Nature in 2013/2014. Due to lobbying, the US banned GOF research like this from 2014 to 2016/17. It was in that time that Dr Fauci signed two $3.5M grants to WIV to continue the research.
4. David Asher who headed a US State Dept task force on Covid origins has come out publicly to say all Intelligence data given to biostatisticians led to an odds of zoonotic spread (e.g. bat or pangolin soup) versus lab derived of 13Billion to 1 against zoonotic.
5. Covid19 is highly infectious but only substantially deadly to elderly, especially obese diabetics. An 80yo has 10,000 times greater risk of dying than a 10yo. This partly relates to T-cell immunity being very effective against SARS-CoV-2 and T-cells decline with age & diabesity.
6. Obesity dilutes vitamin-D as a fat soluble vitamin, because it spreads through the fat cells and is depleted for use in other cells. Low vitamin D impairs immunity particularly T-cell production. Much evidence & clinical studies show high levels vitamin D are very protective against Covid. A red flag of Big Pharma-Media collusion is the suppression of even mainstream medical reports of dirt cheap vitamin D’s efficacy against Covid. Many doctors argue that an essential public health measure would be testing vitamin D levels and supplementing (around 4,000 iu per day) until people’s levels were in the upper quartile of the normal range at which point chances of a sick Covid case going to ICU is only 6% compared with ~58% for people in lowest quartile vitamin D level. Quite seriously vitamin D compares favourably to vaccines – but there is zero $$ for Big Pharma in it.
Peter
You need to find a better doctor!. Here in Qld my doctors are bombarding us with Vitamin D. I was a bit sceptical, thinking that it was rubbish as we get lots and lots of sun, but doctors here are prescribing Vitamin D all the time. I have finally come round to it. I have had others strongly support use of turmeric and just about all of them support Vitamin C. Had one doctor once who prescribed orange juice with the pulp for everything – i suspect he would have for a broken arm.
It goes back to the fact that our PBS is NOT run by big pharma.
Also while the picture of deaths relating to obesity etc is quite true, viruses do mutate and it is not quite as clear cut now as it was a year ago. In the UK younger people including kids are the major growth group for patients.
See my earlier post regarding Wuhan – the rapid move to Iran just does not make sense under that scenario. Also there was a fascinating piece written by Godfree Roberts who statistically calculated that COVID must have been circulating in the USA for several years before being noticed. I checked his calculations myself and i think he was on to something. Basically he argued if you assume that viruses have a constant rate of infectivity (which they do by and large) the rapid increase in deaths in the USA should have been based on a much larger infected population.
Thanks for this detail comment bases on fact.
*. Sars-CoV-2 is a Lab bio manipulation. The pretext is to study à vaccine again Coronavirus. In this case why introduce the Furin cleavage ?
* Vaccines are not designed to penetrate the humans cells.
* The BioNTech/Pfizer hopefully doesn’t operate its bio manipulation in the humans cells but in the cytoplasm
*. The interdiction of early treatments against the advices of some medical references is quite criminal. It leads to treatments that are administrated too late. Sometimes in a situation of urgency which may be out of control.
* Deaths are certainly caused by this interdiction
There is no honnest official informations. The fearmongering is the of the official propagande. Now it’s about a Delta mutation. To morrow another one….
Peter, I left a short message for you on page 3.
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7. President Trump did not come up with the idea for hydroxychloroquine. When he mentioned it he had to speak slowly to get the word out correct. He was obviously given its name by medical advisors. The evidence for HCQ is moderate and mixed, it is a safe drug when prescribed in correct dosage and awareness of certain comorbidities and used for over 60years on many millions of people. It was demonised. The Lancet published an article of ~ 100,000 patients showing HCQ did not work. The problem was the patients did not exist!! It was a fraudulent article. When hospitals around the world pointed out the patients did not exist, the article was retracted. This was the worst scandal in The Lancet’s history. The chief-editor apparently said in a meeting (quoted by a French scientist at the meeting) that Big Pharma had forced the article to be published.
8. Ivermectin is a similar drug to HCQ, the evidence for it working is quite strong. It has an excellent safety record for many millions of people for over 40 years. It is a de-wormer used for people’s pets and livestock, again impecable safety. Like HCQ it is dirt cheap and off-patent. Positive evaluations of it are being censored by mainstream media and Big Tech. Like HCQ and vitamin D it challenges Big Pharma profits from the novel vaccines.
9. The mRNA (Moderna, Pfizer) and AdenovectorDNA (J&J, AZ, and I think Sputnik) are gene-based vaccines never used in public vaccine campaigns until now. They cause human cells to make a version of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The problem is the spike protein itself is now known to cause many of the harmful systemic effects of Covid disease. So these vaccines can give you an actual partial case of Covid itself. You then should mount an immune response to these spike proteins. The mRNA vaccines carry the genetic material in an envelope of lipid-nanoparticle-polyethyylene-glycol (LNP-PEG) which itself is allergenic to some people and likely causing many of the anaphylactic reactions. PEG is known to cause increased allergenic sensitivity with successive exposure, so anaphylactic reactions may become more common with successive booster doses.
10. Pfizer did not release its biodistribution data, but a Canadian virologist, Dr Byram Bridle and colleagues used FOIA to the Japanese version of the FDA and obtained the Pfizer data. Disturbingly the LNP-PEG and therefore the mRNA to make cells make spike proteins travelled beyond the deltoid muscle and axillary (armpit) lymph nodes to most organs in the body. This might reflect the LNP-PEG is designed to travel through biological cells and tissues. The organs most affected were liver, spleen, ovaries, bone marrow. It also crossed the blood-brain barrier. This gives a plausible reason for the thousands of neurological and menstrual adverse events being reported.
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12. Safer, more traditional antigen-based (not gene-based) vaccines are being produced: Sinovac (China), Novavac (Maryland, USA), Valneva (France), Covaxin (India) – these are likely to be much safer than the gene-based vaccines as they induce the body to make antibodies against a real attenuated part of the virus or a synthetic part of the virus including the spike protein. They don’t induce your cells to make the spike protein first. Biodistribution data would be important. If an antigen based vaccine stays in the deltoid muscle and induces the armpit lymph nodes to make the antibodies even to spike protein then there is theoretically little safety risk. The inventor of the mRNA & AdenovectorDNA technology, Dr Robert W Malone, has been slandered and censored on Wikipedia and LinkedIn for voicing his concerns on the technology being used to produce what is a nasty toxin rather than an inert part of the virus, he is worth following on Twitter although has had some censoring of his tweets.
13. The poorer and more crowded a nation, and the more widespread and endemic Covid has become, the more that lockdowns will ultimately cause more harm than good, and cost more lives in the long run. Nations like Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand that have good finances, health systems, oceanic borders and shut the barn door before the viral horse had bolted – are doing quite well from track and trace and limited lockdowns while minimising economic consequences by giving out jobkeeper type subsidies to individuals and businesses affected by lockdowns. Nonetheless there will be a longterm cost that might add up to be just as great. Nations like South Africa with long lockdowns are calculated to cause close to 30x the number of Years of Life Lost over the coming decades from the lockdown than saved from Covid because of the millions of people thrown back into poverty by lockdowns. This balance of risk issue is well summarised by the Great Barrington Declaration authored by 3 eminent epidemiologists, cosigned originally by 36 other eminent professors of medicine and health sciences, and now cosigned by over 57,000 verified MDs and health scientists, as well as >700k members of public: https://gbdeclaration.org/
14. While 1-13 above could all be seen as examples of valid medical scientific debate being skewed and suppressed by Big Pharma interests and government group think and desperation to keep a simple narrative for the public – the actions and statements of the World Economic Forum (WEF) do raise deeper questions and conspiracy theories – that are described in yesterday’s and today’s comments here at The Saker Vineyard.
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15. Saker, you rightly point to 9/11 as the defining false flag event of our time and an indication that there is an ‘Empire’ that pretends to represent freedom, democracy, human rights but in fact at some oligarchic level is the anti-thesis of those principles. So why is it not worth considering the following as possibly related:
a) In 2006 as I recall, the late Hollywood producer and independent gubernatorial candidate for Nevada, Aaron Russo described his relationship with Nick Rockefeller who had strongly hinted at 9/11 to him before it happened. Russo was invited to join the Council on Foreign Relations. He refused and asked Rockefeller what the long term goal was for the elites who carried out 9/11, and that Rockefeller said the goal was “to get humanity chipped so that all can be controlled”.
b) Ten years ago the Rockefeller Foundation released a document called ‘Operation Lock-step’ which laid out all that is currently happening with restricted freedoms in face of a pandemic. Fair enough planning maybe – but maybe with ulterior goals.
c) The WEF and the Gates Foundation were both involved with ‘Operation 201′ on 18 October 2019 in NYC. This simulated a global coronavirus pandemic and pretty much predicted everything since then.
d) The Gates Foundation and its subsidiary Gavi plus Big Pharma provide the bulk of the WHO funding. Tedros, the WHO director, owes his earlier career advancement to a great extent to Gates Foundation support. Dr Fauci is the highest paid bureaucrat in the US government agencies and has personal investments in vaccine patents. Bill Gates is now known to have had much greater involvement with Jeffrey Epstein who in turn is known to have Mossad and other Intel agency links.
e) Bill Gates’ Microsoft obtained patent for a personal movement tracking device for earning cryptocurrency and oddly the number resembles that in Book of Revelation; patent WO2020060606 = patent 060606 for the year 2020. See: https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2020060606A1/en
f) The WEF’s ‘Great Reset’ and its founder, Dr Evil – sorry I mean Klaus Schwab – say the pandemic is a “great opportunity” for a great reset of virtually everything about human society. He has specifically mentioned verbally and in his book that in future we shall all be chipped in some manner in the “merging of man and machine”. The WEF’s ‘Agenda 2030’ openly states that by 8 years from now “You (that’s us) won’t own anything, but we’ll be happy” and describes a society of total surveillance – all for our benefit of course. They didn’t say “we” as in they won’t own anything as well, after all they are billionaires and a separate class to us…
Saker, there is much to be concerned about with regard to Covid, both at the more banal Big Pharma driven agenda and at the more speculative dystopian Orwellian-Huxleyan future that seems to be that of the WEF. There is an Empire, an oligarchy – you strongly say that or imply that in all your blog posts over the years. This Covid topic might lead to some wild speculations – but censoring it is just not right and would seem to be in the Empire’s interests. At least please allow regular open discussions like the past two days.
As to why non-Empire leaders go along with the vaccine agenda at present. Well Covid is a nasty illness for the elderly and those younger who are unfortunate to get a bad dose of it (check your Vitamin D levels folks!) and until the antigen-based vaccines are more available then advocating for the current ones is debatable but not unreasonable. But why trust Xi Jinpeng? What is going on in China is difficult to discern between various power factions within the CCP. The WIV was to some degree under control of the PLA and a bioweapons lab – but it was in collaboration with bioweapons labs in the USA and Canada. The WEF implies a social credit score similar to China’s is coming on the back of the vaccine passports. Could the Empire and the CCP have done a deal to split the world into two much more controllable halves of humanity? All for our own good of course!?
Fantastic post! BY FAR the best summation I’ve read anywhere to date!
The idea that The Saker is now seemingly denying “conspiracy theories” I find puzzling, to say the least. The conspirators never refer to them that way of course, but rather just as “making plans out of the public limelight.” That’s just business as usual these days.
Agree. Excellent summary. Thanks, Peter of Oz (and many others here) for taking the time to put it together.
Katherine
Dear Saker,
I’m not going to reveal which side of the divide I am on. It distresses me to see how divisive this issue has become. Both sides perceive their lives to be threatened by the actions or inactions of the other. People are set in their opinions and no amount of rational discussion will persuade them any differently. If we are not careful, the result could be violence.
I will say that there are experts whose advice has helped me in the past to become healthier, and there are other experts whose advice has caused me or someone I know harm, sometimes grievous. So I have a very strong opinion on the matter, but I also see that people on the other side of this divide have made their decision for identical reasons, but they’ve just had different experiences with the experts. I know that this applies to you and Vladimir Vladimirovich as well.
I have no information on the Sputnik V vaccine, and would not be able to obtain it where I live anyway, but I will be praying that it at least works out well.
With sincerest gratitude for the information you offer here,
Pat Ormsby
I don’t see your point about trying to make an argument about an “impossible collusion” from a political point of view while the real issue is about real death rates, the disastrous effect of lockdowns and the push for a mandatory vaccine (and you seem to be against that) .
But there is nothing mystorious about this “impssible collusion”; all those politicians are adept of more centralization and more control in their hands, so the WHO recommandations are like music to their ears, and they have the same default that all rulers have: They prefer to appear as someone who is “doing something” rather than todo nothing and let people manage this themselves the way they prefer.
I think the reason why those very different governments took the same position concerning vaccines
is essentially not scientific but political and has to do with state defence efficiency image toward their public
opinions by what is immediately at hand : vaccines . and if the state can reinforce its own sufficiency , the better .
when it comes to biowarfare and/or pandemics , the defence of any state and its citizens relies on Pharmacy
and Vaccines and non pharmaceutical measures such as masks , etc… that is why defence and pharmacies industries are tightly united by crossed participations in financial economy for instance . We also have seen it after 9/11 anthrax attacks and emergency antibiotics stocks release and purchases in the first place , same thing with H1N1 in 2009 . By the way i signal that a lot a irak veterans fell ill after anthrax mandatory vaccinations and caught gulf war syndrome later possibly attributed to aluminium vaccine adjuvants contained in it .
so the essential caracteristics of this period is that science has been subsumed by Politics , because any and all government can not allow their image of defence of their own citizens been seen as not efficient : they are all obliged to be seen as a good protecting states toward their populations whatever their colors. its a geopolitical fight of the best image that the richest countries have so far miserably failed to win…
So science has been corrupted , and placed at the service of the image of the governing politicians anywhere i guess : for instance all the major medical journal have been so far proved to publish rubbish articles on sars-cov-2 : nature , Lancet , NEJM , etc …Politisation and Corruption of science have been the mainstay of this tragic Pandemic.
So Dear Saker , You can not infer that vaccination are scientifically sound because so many different countries
governments have been obliged to save their image with their owns citizens , because politics are the same
everywhere…in my humble opinion .
So this debate should quietly resume its more peaceful way.
sincerely Yours
John Paul
Very early I could see the breadth of the conspiracy, how everyone seemed to be involved in a program that obviously came out of US military weapons labs (per peer reviewed journals). I have been looking for a cause that would unite the world, and I expect I have found it. We are at the end of the 12,000 year catastrophe cycle and “they” can only save 500 million. The catastrophe has been predicted in the Bible, by Edgar Cayce, dozens of minor prophets, but the big thing is that the scientists are beginning to line up behind it. Did you know that Einstein, the 20th century genius, worked to explain why the world turns over?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2decDcEJqo&list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw
This discussion is senseless, unless the point is to destroy the Saker Community.
I don’t recognise the Saker in his comments. I know he can be abrupt and dismissive at times but this discussion goes beyond anything done previously.
May I respectfully suggest that is discussion is closed and that this blog returns to what it does best.
The COVID is real, it’s a highly contagious virus that causes pneumonia.
It has a mortality rate of 1.6-2.4%
The difference between zone A and zone B is that the governments of Zone A are using this as an opportunity to install draconian measures on its citizens and vaccinate its populations with an untested and dangerous vaccine.
The government’s of the east are vaccinating their population with their own indigenous vaccine, and limiting the reduction in economic activity.
Where as Zone A are scaring the population and running their lives with disruptions and reducing civil liberties.
The difference in both zones procurement of vaccines illustrates the point that zone A are only interested in mega-pharma souring (Pfizer etc) where as zone B is homegrown scientific research(sinopharm Sputnik V).
The partners of zone B would rely on each other for supplies. Where as the slaves of Zone A would wait until their master allocated their doses.
A little background. I’m an A&E Doctor. I got infected, though asymptomatic, at the onset (as detected three months later when they tested us for antibodies), and I have been vaccinated (with AstraZeneca; one dose; in my region only american-european ones are approved), as my antibodies titles disappeared after around ten months). I’m past my reproductive years (male, but on my sixties). The antibodies response a week AFTER the vaccination had no logical explanation (reappearance, as intended of high IgG levels, and presence of IgM ones [markers of primoinfection; WTF!]).
I have my doubts about the seriousness of the disease, but surely I find unwarranted the use of EUA vaccines for this disease. The only similar past experience was with the polio vaccine. Polio had two very useful properties which warranted its vaccines “experimental” initial use (neither present in COVID-19); first, it produces life-lasting immunity, and second, it is a serious disease with high lethality and morbidity. We will see in the next five to ten years what comes out from this “folly (?)”.
About the global “hysterics” with this disease, ALL politicians have to show concern for their peoples, and if some threat is “primed” on their constituencies, they must respond in kind. Chinese and Iranian response has a different explication. The first didn’t know what was happening, an reacted swiftly as if it was a biological attack, and the second, the same, with very limited resources.
¡Salud!
What did these two posts achieve in practical terms?
1. The Saker got a lot of attention
2. He established his deplorables stance on most of his readers
3. The whole thing played into the hands of the AngloZionist Empire
Well done, I guess.
Agreed.
Here in Norway business is so bad during the pandemic that funeral agencies get economic covid relief.
Another Norwegian
Hysj! No one was supposed to know that corona is “so deadly” that we had to subsidise our funeral agencies and their low earnings on corona victims🤪
Per
Yet another Norwegian “denier/conspiracy theorist/rude and dumb The Saker reader”
What a sad day. A Russian advocating/supporting Mengeleism (coerced administration of experimental medical treatments).
Con todo respeto,en su comentario de los comentarios,tambien se abstiene de mencionar aquellos que que su postura se basa en la desconfianza de las nuevas vacunas RNAm e ilustra con ejemplos del pasado el desastre que causaron en el organismo de muchos INDIVIDUOS.La postura de Putin,XI,etc.se puede explicar porque su confianza se basa en sus vacunas que no son RNAm y ademas SI se hacen responsables de sus posibles accidentes en INDIVIDUOS concretos.En Occidente los laboratorios hacen firmar a sus compradores contratos donde se liberan de obligaciones en caso de “incidentes” en INDIVIDUOS e incluso en toda la poblacion(Con las RNAm cabe la posibilidad de un “incidente” en el 100% de los vacunados en unos años)Resalto lo de individuos,porque estos son a la nacion,lo que las celulas al conjunto del cuerpo humano.Es por eso que cuando racionalmente desconfio ya que no me dejan elegir la vacuna (siendo esto posible) y sabiendo que los estados solo ven porcentajes de beneficios en cuanto a la poblacion(si eres del sector minoritario que sale perjudicado pues te jodes y punto)Por esto mantener la prudencia(sobre todo en Occidente) respecto a las vacunas es de lo mas racional y saludable.
So self-destructive & stupid to lose the “prime” part of the audience! The Saker, you just showed that “irrational”, mystic fanatism, facet of your persona. Dommage: toute cette messe ne valait la chandelle.