Dear friends,
I sometimes get very interesting emails in my inbox and this happened today when I found the email below sent to me by “M”. Having read it I immediately contacted “M” to ask for his permission to post it here. I felt that this would be especially important since I posted the “Appeal” of Egor Prosvirnin which some of you interpreted as anti-German and then accused me of also harboring anti-German feelings. As I explained it later, my intention had been to make people aware that there is a growing anger against Germany in Russia and that even though I personally did not feel that anger, I considered that anger legitimate, if not necessarily deserved (I soon realized that the most vociferous and nasty protests against this post did not come from Germans or even Germanophiles, but from the same old crowd of neo-Nazis who strongly feel that defending anything German is part of their ethos). Still, I have to admit that I felt bad about the whole thing (because, believe it or not, I am not only not anti-German, I don’t even believe in collective, nevermind inherited, guilt). For one thing, as an anti-Soviet Russian myself, I know the very difficult situation of a person who opposes the regime in power in his country, but still feels that his own people are also victims. There are quite a few countries and nationalities who still are resentful and angry with Russians, especially for things which the Soviet forces did during WWII, and I consider that this resentment and anger is legitimate even if sometimes historically one-sided. It is always tough to be at the receiving end of somebody’s anger – whether fully deserved or not – and so when I saw “M” email I decided to share it with you and I am grateful to “M” for giving me his permission.
The Saker
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Seeing the hatred and outright ill will some have towards Germans really brought me down. It makes me wonder how we are ever going to manage to have some kind of stability in Europe and the world…
Here are some of the dynamics in Germany, as I see them. Most likely many will disagree and want to debate them, I don’t claim they are how it is, just how I see it. I don’t claim to know and understand it all. But it’s something I would like people to think about, before they write off the German people as a whole.
Where do I start? Something that should be obvious is that Germany is not a free and sovereign country. From the start, when the Federal Republic was conceived, the Allies had a great influence on shaping the new Germany. Especially the Americans. It is somewhat subtle if you are used to how things are, but once you start observing it becomes clear that the American political circles have great influence on ours. Anyone interested can take a look at how many of our Politicians in the various established parties are members in transatlantic clubs. So guess where their allegiance lies? They are not even ashamed of it, it’s normal to them. For decades we’ve had what you can call US whores. Not long ago I complained about that on a page of young transatlanticists and was quickly accused of being anti-American, they weren’t interested in any of my arguments. Being anti-American is hardly possible since I am an American citizen. There is a divide between the common people, many of whom don’t have anything against Americans but are not too keen on having them involved in German affairs, and many of our leaders who try to make us all believe that we need the United States as partner, come what may. One fact that should make anyone pause is that there are currently still around 40.000 US troops on German soil and various US bases. It may not sound like much, but in principle should any be here at all? We have US nuclear warheads here, the maintenance of which is also paid for by German tax payers money. If you asked the average German what he thought about that, you can be sure that they would be against that. “Ami go home” is a more and more open sentiment here. “American go home”. But will the Americans go? I doubt it. It seems they do not have the slightest interest in granting Germany full sovereignty and of letting go. So the question begs: how free are German politicians to do what they want? And then, how “natural” is the influence Germany has on the shaping of European affairs?
I can fully understand that many in Europe resent Germany, due to the dominating of EU policies and the problems they cause. What many don’t know though is that the current administration and the previous ones have been equally harsh on Germans. German politicians don’t just sell Europeans out, but their own people. The climate here has changed drastically in past years. People are having increasingly hard times to make a living and are in fear, fear of loosing their jobs, fear of making ends meet, fear of loosing what they have. Fear is the perfect mechanism of keeping people in check. The contempt and the lack of any shame on the part of our government has never been this drastic before. Careful observers have seen it for years. Why people keep voting for the same parties is beyond me. There are some who say voter fraud could be at play. It would not surprise me. At the very least the media have been extremely pro Merkel for years, even campaigning for her and her party, when they should have been neutral. Every once and a while that has been criticized but nothing changes and many don’t even notice. Merkel’s policies are always aimed at business elites, not the common people. I remember how years ago she spoke of “market conformed democracy”. There was no outcry, no outrage. No one seemed to care. As in most places, the elites own the media as well. So honest and critical reporting has become a thing of the past, unless one watches carefully and knows where to look. The average person doesn’t. So if people are angry with Germans, I wish they would know that Germans are angry with our leaders as well and have been screwed over as well. Why Germans put up with that? Good question. This is a subject of its own. My impression is that Germans have always been people that are good at following and bowing to higher ups. They are terribly long suffering, in a bad way. After the Second World War Germans have been pacified as a people, in my opinion. Imagine having the mindset of being aware of things you dislike and that anger you, but thinking that somehow it’ll be alright, that life must go on. You go through the motions. And then add a state of paralysis and helplessness. Perhaps that is what is going on with Germans. Of course those that have the upper hand and benefit from the current status have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are. It is unrealistic to expect Germans to magically snap out of it and overthrow the status quo. And though it is not obvious we do have a police apparatus in place that can quickly stomp out any uprising.
I will not deny that Germans can be arrogant in their views. But there is a constant stream of medial manipulation feeding them that perspective. I know that deep down Germans want peace and have no interest in dominating other Nations and people. Many are actually appalled and shocked because our leaders are calling for more involvement in conflicts and taking on more “responsibility”. People see that as dangerous and hypocritical. The problem is that the (you can only call it) “political cast” is so far gone and so far out of touch with the common people. There is a complete disconnect. I see it on Facebook postings of Steinmeier, Gabriel and many others. They live in their own world, facts and reality do not exist for them. And their personal integrity and values are non existent. Calling them pathetic would still be a compliment. It is not any different with our media. Regularly you get to see statistics that suggest people to be skeptic of Putin and Russia. Every time many speak out and question these. Sometimes there are polls in which readers can take part and they say the opposite, that people see through the lies and are not in favor of sanctions and do not want a conflict with Russia, that they do not want anything to do with the crimes committed in the Ukraine. There’s a saying “don’t trust any statistic that you haven’t forged yourself.” There have been statistics for years, that suggest Merkel having very high support among people.. To me it’s a mystery how she has been in power for so long. I guess there still are many idiots who believe in her, but there are also very many who would like to see the worst happen to her.
Many people see that when the wall came down and the two Germanies were reunited, the Soviets/Russians were fair. Just think about how much time has passed, when have the United States and the British made an attempt at the same fairness? I’m afraid the US would rather see Germany in ruins yet again, rather than leaving and giving the Germans freedom. I understand the resentment that many have for Germans, but am also shocked by how much hatred there is. Is it not the same principle in most places, that Governments do not act in accord with and represent the will of the people? And to what degree can we count on the will of the people when they are not given accurate information and facts, but are fed half truths at best and outright manipulation most of the time? Ironically I see a lot of Americans accusing us of cowardice for not taking a more aggressive stance against Russia. The same with the Polish. Merkel’s behavior in this crisis makes no sense to me at all. At times she is bullying Russia, like the perfect US poodle, but then there are reports of her reaching out to Putin. Either she is completely soul less without a personal sense of direction, or she is more devious than she appears. No idea what her true aims are. They certainly don’t seem to be what they should be. Part of her vow when sworn into office is to avert harm from the German people. She is steadily doing the opposite. She and her cronies along with her.
It seems that we are prisoners of a political apparatus gone insane, both on a German level and a EU level. Then there’s NATO on top of that. And lets be realistic, the cards are stacked in favor of the higher ups. That is no excuse for giving up, which I am not suggesting, but haters need to take a close look at reality. Finding solutions is not that easy, is it? So, this is part of what I observe, I bet I forgot a lot. My health is not too well and my strength limited.
Best regards,
“M”
Angela Merkels behaviour …
… cannot be judged without considering her upbringing in former East Germany. Speaking up was probably not what was encouraged, in particular if you had a different opinion than the public one. Thus she grew up learning how to “blend in” and this is what she does through today. My personal Impression of course and I might be wrong. While I do believe that she is power-conscious, I doubt she is devious. She is simply the product of her upbringing and yes, I do believe that she wants the best for Germany and so far I have no reason to believe she doesn’t comply with this goal.
Germany has been a colony of the US since 1945. Like the rest of the “west”.
Thank you Saker and M,
M sentiments are very similar to sentiments in the US. I believe they are shared by a great many people in a great many countries. Hopefully people globally are awakening to the chains that bind them and with the right political examples (I’m looking at you Putin:)) will be able to enter into a period of transparent, honest governance.
“M” echos the thoughts of many people, in many other countries. These feelings are legit. The coming “Global Plantation” era is coming.
Thank you for seeking the truth.
Dear M,
As a Greek, I really can’t believe that I’m about to defend Merkel in any way but here it is.
It is a known fact that US spied on Merkel and the rest of the German government for years. Can you imagine what kind of dirt they may have on them?
They are politicians and their careers are what is primary important for them, not the German people.
I think you can trace every insanity in German diplomacy somewhere along those lines.
The Polish For Novorussiya!
Polacy za Noworosją! Поляки поддерживают Новороссию – YouTube
Here is a comment about the U.S. bases in Germany. Several times elements in the U.S. have raised the possibility of closing those bases. They are a huge expense and it is particularly bad now that the United States is in extreme economic difficulty. On at least one occasion Merkel intervened for the simple reason that the bases add billions to the German economy. That comment is not a slam against Germany, or even against Merkel. Point is, the bases don’t remain purely because of some U.S. Imperial purpose. Saker, you live in the U.S. and you know how difficult it is for the military to close a base here, because of the local economic impact.
Having said that, there is no question that the interventionists and NeoCons in the U.S. would fight tooth and nail to prevent the U.S. from pulling out of Germany and Europe.
However, the way things are falling apart here, they won’t be able to block U.S. withdrawal from Europe forever.
US uses contradictory messages at home and abroad as a tehnique to create cognitive dissonance in the victim. Thus it’s difficult to know how to respond and even more difficult for a group of resistors to unite on a course of action. It’s a form of information warfare. Kiev uses it too: Yes, I’m going to negotiate; yes, there will be a ceasefire; yes, the humanitarian convoy can pass; yes, oblasts can make their own language policy. No, I changed my mind about everything– we’re going to kill you, but not if you surrender. . . unless. . . .
Germans generally insist on the fact that the German Federal Republic is by no means the successor of the Nazi regime of the Third Reich. And they are right in doing so since the society and its legal framework has fundamentally changed since then.
However, they usually fail completely to make a similar distinction between the USSR and the RF. To the average German, this is all just the same. “The evil Russians”, the “Red Menace”, such notions have been deeply implanted in the subconsciousness of the German society, after decades of US propaganda, particularly in the former western part of the country.
My perception of the Germans, at least in the larger and politically much more powerful western part, is that they are russophobic zombies who couldn’t care less about the carnage in Donbass. The only thing they seem to care about is money.
I know that there are many respectable individuals who see things very differently and who are actively trying to change this. But they are too few, and they don’t make a difference. They are generally considered as lunatic weirdos or conspiracy theorists. The times when different political opinions used to be respected seems to be gone for good in Germany. There is ONE opinion, and if you don’t adhere to it, you will regret it – social marginalization, defamation, derision, all this is typical for those who beg to differ when the US narrative is presented. And when all these intimidation techniques fail, you can still stigmatize the person or the group by accusing it to be anti-semitic. That always works.
To the extent to which it is possible to assign an attitude to an entire populaton, I believe that the US-puppet role played by Merkel is just what most Germans want.
I remember many heated debates erupting in the German society when Schroeder and Fischer disagreed with Washington concerning the planned attack on Iraq. At that time many journalists and politicians, first and foremost the leader of the opposition Merkel, accused the government of spoiling the “good relations” with Washington and openly declared their support for Dubya.
Now, although the developments are affecting Germany directly and in a much more severe fashion than the Iraq war (gas supply from Russia, economic sanctions, war in Europe…) there is hardly any dispute. At least compared to the situation prior to the Iraq war, I think that there is a deafening silence in the German society. Hardly anyone seems to wonder whether it was such a good idea to support a coup d’etat and a neo-fascist regime in Kiev. There is basically no discussion at all in the MSM. It seems that what is happening in the Donbass is just fine for German’s version of Joe Sixpack (aka “Deutscher Michel”).
“And though it is not obvious we do have a police apparatus in place that can quickly stomp out any uprising.”
A lot of Americans don’t know this, but Germany like Russia also has a propiska system. Meaning foreigners have to register their place of stay within two weeks of arriving in Germany. The US Army does this for the US troops but not for non-military foreigners in Germany. Meaning any ‘Occupy’ movement in Germany can be shut down post haste because all of the organizers addresses will be instantly known to the police as will those of any foreign activists.
This piece is a welcome antidote both to the German bashing and ‘the Germans were unfairly maligned the Holocaust is a myth or greatly exaggerated’ neo-Nazi drivel. I am very grateful to Saker for posting it.
Of course with the benefit of distance and time as well as seeing the higher order globalist plans that have spanned over a century since the creation of the Federal Reserve and even perhaps the US Civil War…one can understand Hitler was funded by the Rockefellers and perhaps even the Rothschilds during his rise to power. As historians like William Manchester in ‘The Arms of Krupp’ and Anthony Sutton of the Hoover Institute have written in ‘The Best Enemies Money Can Buy’, Standard Oil of New Jersey was a key supplier of fuel injection technology to Messerschmidt and other parts of the German war machine, as was Ford Motor Company with Henry Ford Sr being notoriously pro-Hitler. So were the British Royals and Edward’s pro-Nazi views were the real reason the Wallace Simpson scandal forced his abdication, as the film ‘The King’s Speech’ soft pedals but mentions in passing. The Daily Mail was pro-Nazi in 1936. The German American Bund drew tens of thousands to Madison Square Garden in the late 1930s. And as we all know ‘Hitler’s Willing Executioners’ included many Latvians, Croats, Vichy French, and Galicians/Western Ukrainians who did things to Jewish and Polish children that made the Wehrmacht officers puke.
So with the benefit of time, just as many of the GIs in ‘Band of Brothers’ said, when they were invading Germany they had thought that the German people were the most evil on Earth. Then they soon realized that most Germans were much like Americans, compartmentalized, and perhaps a tad more obedient. But no better or worse in general morally save for the SS/Gestapo men and some of the Wehrmacht who joined in the crimes. This is what Hannah Arendt meant by ‘the banality of evil’ when referring to Adolf Eichmann at his trial in the early 1960s.
Anon @ 17 August, 2014 21:38 said “Angela Merkels behaviour …
… cannot be judged without considering her upbringing”
I don’t think that “I’m bad because my mommy did not hug me” is not good enough explanation for a leader of such country as Germany, or any other for that matter.
And one more thought: when Russians left Germany – USA should have left too. They did not. So, yes, Germany is a colony! And that is where Merkel’s fear comes from – the slave’s fear of the master
N-V
All of us live in countries whose governments do not act in the interests of their people.
Our governments do not listen to us or care for us and our welfare.
We have this in common.
After WWII, the Americans imposed some conditions on Germany, besides taking its gold.
They allegedly get a sworn oath of loyalty (to the US) from the Chacellor.
Saker,
It is not about inherited guilt. It is about inherited responsibility and it is about honoring the lessons that our ancestors (both Russian AND German) taught us with their blood.
I agree with M’s sentiments. The same can be said for Holland although they do not have U.S.bases anymore. I survived Nazi occupation in the Netherlands. I have NEVER held the German people as a whole accountable for WW2. Like us THEY too were victims, and it is high time that people start remembering that. Holland and Germany recently started a Rapid Deployment force with is under control of a German General. This is undermining NATO. I say tough. Let’s see other EU countries join the RDF and push out NATO which is nothing but a U.S. cabal requiring EU troops to participate in their wars of aggression around the globe.
To Anonymous 22:17
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,My perception of the Germans, at least in the larger and politically much more powerful western part, is that they are russophobic zombies who couldn’t care less about the carnage in Donbass. The only thing they seem to care about is money.’
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Well, I consider your words insulting.
I AM german and I and those I kniw, all care about the ethnic cleansing that is going on in Souteast Ukraine!
We are disgusted looking at the US muppets and fascists in Kiew including our former boxer Klitchko.
And Money? Germans are the highest taxed people (with the Danes) in the world: there is a 52% income tax burden and on top of that all the indirect and hidden taxes. Altogether it adds up to more then 70% of your gross income. For more and more people,mits getting ever more difficult to make ends meet – especially when you have kids.
My f + fs are all disgusted about what is going on n Ukraine, Syria, Iraq and what was done in Libya by US neocons. We are all fed up.
It is late here but tomorrow I will be back to tell all thiose willing to listen more about Germany and Germans.
Samantha
This is very unfortunate that the mentioned fear is totally spread around the world it is very visible in every single country around the world even in Switzerland where I would never expect this to happen. I haven’t find yet any exception maybe just in a Tibet’s monasteries.
The interesting thing is that this fear phenomenon was very successfully used during the WWII and we all of us know how these fear tactics were ended. So now we can see the same tactics around the world,it is nothing just a simple confirmation that who came to the power through our politicians.
It is only and only by our decision to make these fearful tactics to flourish, or we can expose them in full light and the losers who want to grab the power by these tactics of fear and extortion.
Regarding to the election it is interesting, because most of the countries are having same suspicion that the elections are rigged.
Conditions of most of the humanity got much worse for the last 20 years and I have a feeling that we came to the point of shift to say that’s is enough and no more pushing.
@Saker
Re: Ukraine
Something I’ve been wondering for quite a while now:
Can you explain what’s going on at Lugansk airport? That area is being held by the Junta for months now, although it very much looks like a cauldron to me.
How is this possible? Are they getting replenishments? By air? MANPADS should prevent that.
Honk
@Honk:Can you explain what’s going on at Lugansk airport?
I can try. As far as I know, the Ukies are still there. They have taken terrible losses, some have feld, others have died. At least one column of reinforcements made it through the Resistance lines, but also with most of the column destroyed. Yes, they are getting their supplies from the air from aircraft flying so hight that MANPADS cannot hit them. As a result, a lot of the supplies end up supplying the resistance forces. The Ukies don’t seem to make too many efforts in unblocking their guys at the airport and that makes sense in a cynical way: the barricaded Ukies at the airport have, by their very presence, drawn Resistance forces from other sectors. So why not let them continue to be a pain in the rear?
The Resistance is bombing the crap out of them with artillery, but as I mentioned earlier, there is only that much regular artillery can do, especially against well-trained and well-entrenched forces who are hunkering down deep and underground. The Resistance feels – correctly – that is is not with taking many casualties to kill all the Ukies at the airport, so they wait and just regularly bomb them.
If the Ukies win elsewhere, then they will come and free their pals at the airport. If the Novorussians win elsewhere, they will come back and finish off the Ukies at the airport.
Now is a nerve-wrecking waiting game…
Cheers,
The Saker
It is a great credit to the site and it’s proprietor that BOTH these posts were made. Thoughts too convoluted for a response at length on a mobile but wanted to register gratitude at least. Honest airing of grievance is hallmark of real communication. Much appreciated.
> They allegedly get a sworn oath of loyalty (to the US) from the Chacellor.
True. At least it was, although it’s probably not necessary any more, because that behavior has long become second nature, of not only the chancellors, but the media, too.
Source (German): http://www.zeit.de/2009/21/D-Souveraenitaet/komplettansicht
Honk
@M
Your email pretty much sums up how many of us feel about politicians here in the UK.
You say “People are having increasingly hard times to make a living and are in fear, fear of losing their jobs, fear of making ends meet, fear of losing what they have.”
It’s all relative, of course, but things are pretty much the same here. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
The rich and powerful have some sort of addiction to killing foreigners, although ordinary citizens everywhere think it is abhorrent. Basically, we are the same – Brits, Germans, Ukrainians, Russians, and, yes, ordinary Americans too.
Best wishes to you. A fine email.
Robin.
I doubt it. It seems they do not have the slightest interest in granting Germany full sovereignty and of letting go.
Thanks M for writing this and the sad thing you can change the name in this from Germany to Japan and it’s the same as those citizens in Japan face. Yes, Amerika neo-con’s won’t let go and it seems to be impossible for us in Amerika that care to defeat them. The media everywhere is controlled by the world elite and there is many sad days ahead for us on the Main Streets of the world.
Hang on the ride is about to get really bumpy in the next few yrs. Sad for the young of the world.
Thanks Saker
@Saker: Yes, they are getting their supplies from the air from aircraft flying so hight that MANPADS cannot hit them.
OK, so the difference to e.g. the “Southern Cauldron 2.0 (beta)” is the fact that in Lugansk they were able to dig into a defensible posture before being taken on by the anti-world-imperial-resistance.
Honk
M said,
“Why people keep voting for the same parties is beyond me.”
Would you believe electorates are offered only secretly self-castrated worshipful catamites of the Anglo-American satanists? …
… by which I mean to say that the very concept of organised evil has been drained from the modern mind for whom Satan does not exist; thus we certainly are in deep deep do doo.
germany is using america and not the other way around. and i do agree, all they care about is money…
remember former yugoslavia? at first, america didnt care about it. so, germany is doing one the most shamefull episode in recent history by supporting the similiar nazi regime like today in ukraine, but this time in croatia. afraid of the woken up nazi vampires serbs took the guns. suddenly, germany is puting presure and recognize croatian independence. over night, civil war becomes serbia’s agression, we are not dealing with yugoslavia but sovereign state of croatia. sound familiar with recent events in novorusija?
and germany is promoting independt kosovo like there is no tommorow. germany is putting more pressure on serbia regarding kosovo than america ever was…
you know, america is just lkke that, they cant help it…they have to be involved in every worlds mess otherwise how they would look themselves in the mirror. but, the thing is, germany is pushing around its own agenda expecting that america will be just like that: worlds bully who cant help it but get involved..and germany is hidding behind…if we go further, germany is pushing for every american intervention all over the world and came latter to collect money and make some deals out of it. america is bleeding everywhere and germany is making money…
go back to ukraine. it all started with the stupid european union ultimatum the eu or russia. and we know what the eu is today, germans way to find some new slaves in europe. and america, they just cant help it, they have to act like cappo di tutto cappi…sneaky, weasel politics, that’s germany today in a nutshell…
Merkel is an old Lady, definitely not looking for love. Her relationship to Putin is as bad as to Obama, Cameron and Hollande. She’ll quit in 3 years time. Germans are absolutely clueless who could replace her. The Russia standoff is destroying all her reputation and history books will probably read the worst chancellor since AH.
Greetz from Berlin
Anon at 22:17:
You’re raising some interesting points and presenting an accurate and realistic analysis! Germans certainly have many flaws. (I should know because I’m one of them. A German, not a flaw. I hope.)
Before being too harsh on average Germans wrt Donbass, let’s clarify that most don’t even know there’s a full war going on. It is simply not on German news. They’re hiding the scale of events. People would have to be suspicious of their MSM, which they’re mostly not. They’d have to go actively looking for sites like this one, which they won’t do. They might have to fall back on a foreign language, which is not a reasonable expectation. You know how it is. They are – let’s face it – they are sheeple. This is not a nice word, but, unfortunately, it hits the nail on the head. This is the education offered by the system. The system engenders sheeple, the system honours sheepleness.
People have no clue how they’re being lied to. Correction: People do not want to know how they’re being lied to. There is cowardice.
However, they are not “russophobic zombies”. Have to disagree with you here.
»To the extent to which it is possible to assign an attitude to an entire populaton, I believe that the US-puppet role played by Merkel is just what most Germans want.«
I think that, unfortunately, you are spot on right.
»I think that there is a deafening silence in the German society.«
Indeed.
»And when all these intimidation techniques fail, you can still stigmatize the person or the group by accusing it to be anti-semitic. That always works.«
Indeed it does. And this is why learning about how the Hoax is in essence a hoax matters a hell of a lot. Because then this el cheapo “antisemite” ploy would stop working. And this view, interestingly, makes me a Neonazi.
A very good job done by ‘les-crises.fr’,this is the third most important blog in France and also a good circulation in Belgium/Québec/CH.
http://www.les-crises.fr/u4-3-le-role-des-americains-et-des-europeens/
Lot of pictures,video
@Honk:OK, so the difference to e.g. the “Southern Cauldron 2.0 (beta)” is the fact that in Lugansk they were able to dig into a defensible posture before being taken on by the anti-world-imperial-resistance.
Several differences here:
1) Terrain: the Luganks airport is full of concrete buildings and the earth is easy to dig. The southern cauldron is mostly hard stone where it is *very* hard to dig even a regular trench.
2) Location: friendly Ukie troops are not far form the Lugansk Airport. The southern cauldron is right along the Russian border which makes it possible for the Russians to use their artillery and air-defenses. The Resistance just had to pin them down (by, for example, laying mines at night), but the Russians could do the heavy pounding.
3) Camouflage: it is far easier to hide at the airport than on the open terrain of the southern cauldron. The poor Ukies there could neither hide, nor dig in, nor move. It was hell on earth for these poor guys. I am sure that it is also horrible for the folks at the airport, but at least their are dug in really well, and they don’t have to move.
HTH, kind regards,
The Saker
quote “The Guardian has an article saying that independence movements in Russia are gaining traction, “from Siberia to Kaliningrad” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/russia-fledgling-independence-movements“
that is why the british spy journalists whoa re really war criminals too msut be caught and then summarily executed.
Russia and Germany
Russians seem to have an insane romantic streak that causes them to have trouble seeing who their actual friends and allies are. It is always going to be more profitable and politically comfortable to destroy Russia and steal her resources than to do business and buy them.
Libyans had a better chance of getting Russia to help against NATO than Russia has of breaking Germany off of the US and UK.
As early as in 1949 the first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, admitted that NATO’s true role was “to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down”
The worse fears of USA-UK-Saudi cabal is an economic alliance of Germany with Russia. It has a potential to change world order.
T he other shoe would be alliance of China and India in Asia.
That is why anglos controlled English media in these countries encourage rift amongst these nations .
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The Europeans seem to have forgotten that capitalism is not a European tradition, but an Anglo ideology. They have forgotten that while the north of Europe fell under the influence of Reformed/Protestant Christianity
Interesting, isn’t it, because on the one hand, british spies and the NSA class Germany as a third tier partner, in the same level as Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, China, all these target countries. And yet, on the other hand, they are saying: No, you are a partner, work with us and develop stuff for us. And they happily go along with it. So, the hypocrisy, I think, is quite stark
The US has made colonies of allies. But that’s the first step. The final phase is globalization and dominion over all that the US wants. Borders won’t mean anything soon.
The EU is swiss cheese, mush for borders. The US is doing the same to North American borders.
The NWO is about a central rule over all. So it will soon be one big whatever. Germany will be a district not a nation.
The insistence of Near Russia by Putin and the Russians, and the Nine Dotted Lines in the South China Sea by Beijing are anomalies to the the Elites of the West. It’s all theirs. What are those new guys thinking about? Don’t they understand? La Costra Nostra without the accent.
As for Constitutions and Oaths of office? You must be kidding. They obey no oaths. Oaths are for guys like Snowden and you and me. Not them.
Elections? You know those democratic elections they foist on everyone? They are bought and paid for wherever they want a specific outcome. 40% of registered voters, 20% of eligible voters divided into meaningless Parties, so it looks like a majority of something. That’s what’s left of Democracy anywhere. And when they lose, they overthrow or indict or assassinate. Check out Texas governor, Thailand (coup), and on and on.
It’s all lip service to institutions and principles they don’t keep. But we keep saying we want this setup. Keep fooling us. Like children guessing which hand the candy is in.
What the Elites know and act upon is seen in Iraq again. Air strikes, remote control death to the disobedient.
Next up, sooner than we all know, is supposed to be Russia. The great fall of Russia and Putin is underway. They have many places to stick those bandillieras, to bleed the bear (instead of the bull).
Ukraine, Siberia, Urals, Kaliningrad, Transnistria, the Caucasus.
They began with the port in Syria. Putin castled them and stopped the air attack on Syria.
They will never give up. Crimea annoys them. They don’t really care about it. They want the Kremlin in ruins like Tripoli.
What complicates their plans is China.
But look at how they are setting Japan loose in the East China region. And they’ll juice up Philippines to join the baiting of the Dragon.
They are pouring big money into the Xinjiang jihad through the World Uyghur organization (based where?) Munich, Germany.
It all is connected. It all is global. It all is unified. They want it all. Satan’s dominion over Earth and Space (Space—that’s ongoing with weapons of all sorts already in place.)
If you want government to change, just beg the tyrant. See how that goes.
The history of mankind facing tyranny always has its resolution when the tyrant dies.
I know many here hate that ending. It’s so violent and bloody (usually).
But, it’s the way things go.
Like the militia being forced to kill the ATO troops. They have to kill them. Or they and their families and neighbors die.
When enough people on this planet understand tyranny, its true nature, and the solution, the terrified will be the tyrants not the citizens of the world.
Some friends of Novorossiya went and desecrated Stepan Bandera’s gravesite. They should have gone and killed Kolomoisky or Yaroush or Yat or Rasmussen or Nuland or any of the swine behind the death machine sent to Donbass.
You know who the Elites want to kill and will try it if they can get it done? Putin.
Et tu partner? might be the tragic last words if he doesn’t clean out the near enemies and bogus friends and partners.
I can tell you from all my years and examination of these topics. Government will kill whoever it needs to in order to win and maintain control. And government has been Elites since the first bands of cavemen decided to hunt together and gather wood and store nuts and berries.
http://rt.com/news/germany-britain-spy-embassy-236/
Isn’t it interesting-G.Britain. N.Zeland, Australia, Canada and USA-all countries from former British imperia trying to control the world?-all being directed by old england the real mastermind of this crime.
“the first prime minister of Australia, Edmund Barton, who drew up the White Australia Policy in 1901. “The doctrine of the
equality of man,” said Barton, “was never intended to apply” to those not British and white-skinned.” —John Pilger
Yanks and brits used always the easy way like after WW2 skimming after the Front with tech.teams to harvest over 850000 Patents and techn. papers in Germany ,which certainly are the property of the German people!
Heinz Guderian – master of the Blitzkrieg and father of modern tank warfare – commanded the German XIX Army Corps as it rampaged across Poland in 1939.
Personally leading the devastating attack which traversed the Ardennes Forest and broke through French lines, he was at the forefront of the race to the Channel coast. Only Hitler’s personal command to halt prevented Guderian’s tanks and troops turning Dunkirk into an English bloodbath. And as typical of the English they fled tha battle field as soon as possible-hitler gave them 3 full days ! All because vile coward liar Churchill promised something to hitler only token resistance to his ultimate aim-to destroy russia and (thus from brutish point of view germans too.).
Second and first world wars were organised by English—bags to let Germany fight the Russians –the English are too coward a race to fight anyone on their own. They need proxy-nazis, wahabi terrorists from Saudi Arabia, muzzahadiin etc.
Better to destroy that English nation and give relief to the human kind.
I’m sorry, “M”, that you feel so listless and I hope you recover soon, if possible, God willing.
From the point that I am quite critical of Germany, although not precisely in this blog, I always refer to the ruling class, not the people, of course.
Being Spanish I ask myself the same questions that you do about how people can be kept voting for the same people over and over again.
As you noted, the MSM do their role, and people go with the flow like sheep to the slaughter.
It requires a good investment of time and often worry about, losing health because of the lack of rest and sleep, really want access to the truth.
I’m not sick, but I’m very tired, now less after a recent vacation, sometimes discouraged, but then suddenly gotten past me and I hope that more and more of us awake, from any country, of any race, to join forces to change things.
For me it has become a purpose.
Take care of yourself, friend. God bless you.
In The West Respect for Truth No Longer Exists — Paul Craig Roberts.
The Western media have proved for all to see that the Western media comprises either a collection of ignorant and incompetent fools or a whorehouse that sells war for money.
The Western media fell in step with Washington and blamed the downed Malaysian airliner on Russia. No evidence was provided. It its place the media used constant repetition. Washington withheld the evidence that proved that Kiev was responsible. The media’s purpose was not to tell the truth, but to demonize Russia.
Now we have the media story of the armored Russian column that allegedly crossed into Ukraine and was destroyed by Ukraine’s rag-tag forces that ISIS would eliminate in a few minutes. British reporters fabricated this story or were handed it by a CIA operative working to build a war narrative. The disreputable BBC hyped the story without investigating. The German media, including Die Welt, blared the story throughout Germany without concern at the absence of any evidence. Reuters news agency, also with no investigation, spread the story. Readers tell me that CNN has been broadcasting the fake story 24/7. Although I cannot stand to watch it, I suspect Fox “news” has also been riding this lame horse hard. Readers tell me that my former newspaper, The Wall Street Journal, which has fallen so low as to be unreadable, also spread the false story. I hope they are wrong. One hates to see the complete despoliation of one’s former habitat.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/17/west-respect-truth-longer-exists-paul-craig-roberts/
Saker, soviet era has been the best contribuition of russian civilization for humanity.
The detractors of Stalin and Lenin are capitalist ideologues or trotskists (liberal essence).
08/17/2014
11:43 pm:
We will not allow to silence the Boeing truth!
Today is exactly one month since the date of accident Boeing MD-17. The first days after the tragedy, the entire western propaganda machine, violating the principles of presumption of innocence, accused the pro-Russian militia and personally Russian President Vladimir Putin in the murder of three hundred people.
Huge headlines, portraits of Putin with mutilated corpses in the background, bloody inscription “Killer” and other propaganda techniques – everything was running for the formation of negative public opinion against the Russian president.
Official representatives of the State Department and the ersonally Petro Poroshenko excitedly claimed that they have irrefutable evidence that Boeing was shot down by insurgents from Novorossiya. However, over the last month that evidence had not been submitted.
At the same time, the Russian Ministry of Defence after a couple of days has provided comprehensive information of the positions of Ukrainian air defense system “Buk M-1”, and a Ukrainian fighter aircraft, which came closer to the Boeing just before it collapsed.
Moreover, the famous American politician Ron Paul believes that American spy satellites monitor everything that happens in the Ukraine, so the United States government simply hide information known.
Abrupt change in the information policy of most Western media also tends to suggest that they receive ruling to hush-up the topic of death of 300 people. There is no more angry calls to punish those responsible, and the intermediate results of the investigation are published on the eighth page of fine print.
Other topics are pushed forward to divert public attention from this disaster. And when, finally, the Western world will be forced to admit that this terrorist act committed on the orders of Poroshenko – it will be printed on the last page of the tabloids, near obituary for the Mrs. Pedington ‘s beloved dog.
http://anna-news.info/node/20279
M. describes a terribly out of touch Political Caste in Germany. It not so different the US, and even the thing they most fear to touch, whatever their party, being the same:the transnational Security State, the Anglo/American Empire. The big difference is that in Germany, resisting the Empire is at least in part resisting a foreign power, while here in the “belly of the beast”, when we do resist as we did over Syria, we sometimes have more impact.
As for Angela Merkel, she is certainly a very intelligent person. Trained as a physicist and rising in the GDR and a chief Marxist-Leninist ideologist in the Free German Youth (whether she believed a word of it or not), she was trained see things in terms of systems and system changes, initial and final states, with the details of the initiation and speed of the transition being what can be controlled.
(A visiting physicist from Soviet Georgia once remarked to me that for a physicist, mastering Marxism-Leninism was easy.)
From Merkel’s quick rise in the leadership of the CDU, the political party most closely tied to the rich and powerful, one can guess that she must already have been a rotten apple in the GDR’s barrel, either working for the CIA or German intelligence. Given that she has remained in her party’s leadership, can we now assume she is more closely aligned with Germany’s elite than with the Empire? I hope so.
One would expect that there is some top level of German wealth that has been absorbed into the Global Elite, and as one descends the wealth ladder that one would start finding ever more Germans who feel constrained and limited by US control and dream of freedom. Where is the cut?
Sooner or later, win or lose, as the world economy continues its slow (for the moment) collapse, there will be a rebellion. Where will Merkel be on that?
I read about an anti-Federal Reserve Bank movement in Germany. Anti-globalization and anti-intervention movements. Popular anger over the stolen gold. Are these forces that a sector of the ruling class could rally to the project of winning independence? Where will Merkel be on that?
I would expect that Merkel understands Putin’s global de-dollarization strategy. I would doubt she would see it as aggression, but would understand it as a forced move, one that could precipitate a profound economic “change of state”. Is there any evidence for this?
She has lived her life in the shadow of nuclear war, knowing in her gut that if any country survived it wouldn’t be Germany. If she’s not a complete stooge (which I would doubt) she must be considering how Germany can take advantage of Putin’s move to escape from its dilemmas.
On the other hand there must be many Germans, perhaps especially among the super rich, salivating over the profits to be made in rendering and digesting Ukraine and then Russia. I would expect there must be a struggle between these two directions going on in the private clubs of the wealthy. Does Merkel’s inconsistency reflect this? Who’s winning?
And if Merkel is displaying incredible deviousness, does she not have a dangerous minefield to navigate that would require deviousness? Is it in her to at some point shed her stripes, speak out forcefully and call Germany in a new direction? Or will that take a new younger leader?
Putin’s policy must be calibrated to encourage the pro-independence forces. I would expect that he and Merkel, while not pals, have a lot in common and that they have been talking this through frankly. That doesn’t mean they will be able to reach a history-changing agreement or even that Merkel necessarily wants one.
We should be watching very closely for signs of hope, and indications of the common people of Germany coming into play, and using whatever connections we have to cheer them on. Much rides on it. A BRICS alliance with Germany would be much less vulnerable, and much more likely to be able to avert global war.
@ 18 August, 2014 00:11
As I said in a previous post, not only is this straight up Marshal Pidulski ‘destroy Russia by carving her up into dozens of statelets’ 1900s cerca Prometheanism of the type promoted by the ‘ex’ CIA crank Paul Goble via the (nominally Khodorkovsky funded) Interpreter Mag in New York City. Goble used to work at the Jamestown Foundation which was a CIA front for all sorts of Promethean badness, including aggressive promotion of the ‘Republic of Ickteria’ worst Chechen Wahhabi separatist movements.
By publishing this pathetic drivel, the NWO is also performing the ‘twofer’ of shredding whatever credibility the Guardian had left as a source of international news to all leftists and libertarians thanks to the Snowden leaks. From the NWO/Atlanticist globalist point of view, a perfect score. They don’t care if Shawn Walker’s ‘I saw those Russian vehicles crossing the border, I really did, but it was too dark to take pictures’ becomes a punch line. Or Shawn Walker insisting on Twitter to Mark Sleboda today that Shostakovich’s ‘Leningrad’ Symphony was as much a condemnation of the USSR as of Nazism.
The NWO uses journos who either know their role is to kowtow to anti-Muscovy nonsense at every turn or who truly do drink deeply of the Russophobic koolaid, either because they think Putin hates gays or the Russians are the eternal enemies who killed their ancestors in the Pale of Settlement (nevermind that the actual progrom makers were more likely to be on the territory of what is now central Ukraine!).
At this point Russia’s news outlets could retaliate in kind by reporting on the Republic of Texas or Lakota separatist movements. But that would be slightly less fraudulent than this as I’m sure the old American Indian Movement guys have more supporters than this ‘free Siberia’ or ‘independent Kaliningrad’ movements.
“The Guardian has an article saying that independence movements in Russia are gaining traction, “from Siberia to Kaliningrad” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/russia-fledgling-independence-movements“
I agree with you Larchmonter445,it is all about UK/City(banksters)control.The brain is the City,just nuke them once and for all,they deserve it.Usa without the UK are nothing,just puppets.Internal problems are just starting to happen in the USA…just the beginning,they will be buzy at home for a while in their police state.
It is also a religion war,catholic,orthodox,middle east christians all against protestant anglo luthero calvinist.North AZ against latin south of UE or Orthodox eastern Europe.The muslims are with the christians but they still do not realize that,because they are or divided or brainwashed by the AZ.
The AZ complex is a thin minority of the world population,not even 1 billion versus 7.
We should unite all together against them on all fronts.
@ M,
Perhaps a good start would be to turn the German flag [back] upside down again and let the ‘sun’ shine instead of the ‘dark earth’ hover above you?
re:Merkel’s political decisions
Like many posters here I disagree with Merkel’s overall policy of following US orders even if it hurts her own country. But I have the impression that she is unable to go back on a wrong decision – for instance I feel that the policy of renewable energies did not bring any benefits but created huge problems for the German energy industry. But Merkel shows not the slightest sign of changing her approach. The same with Ukraine: Her sanctions against RF and her support of the Neonazis+Oligarchs is definitely helping to propel us all towards WW3 – but she seems oblivious to it. Is this a character trait with her that she doesn’t want to be wrong or does she mindlessly cling to power? Germany had some chancellors whose first priority was their country (e.g. Schröder, Kohl) – why does it appear that she doesn’t care?
As an American who has lived in Germany for several years, I think that much of what M says about the country is true… and I also think most of it applies to the American people as well. So sad…
“They allegedly get a sworn oath of loyalty (to the US) from the Chancellor.”
17 August, 2014 22:37
Not so different from each Inaugural Address , where the newly elected POTUS gets on his knees and swears allegiance to Israel (Our commitment to the security of Israel is ironclad, unshakeable, blah blah blah…)
Anonymous, 17 August, 2014 21:38,
I have to take exception to such baloney that the Eastern Europeans “were taught not to speak up, but to blend in”. That, from the plastic American superman?! Well, I have lived in the US for over 30 years and never met more cowardly conformists, whether on the corporate payroll or at the “luxury” condominium. My neighbors in Eastern Europe were never shy to tell the the boss what they thought.
Some years ago I shared a house with a German IT man working for IBM. Before he returned home, I asked about his strongest impression working in the US. “The paralyzing fear of losing one’s job. The total subservience of the employees. The lack of Union support when in disagreement with the Boss. In Germany one cannot be fired (nor in the old Eastern Europe) for defending a difference of opinion in work related matters.” Never mind arguing with the Police! Try that here!
M, I sympathise with your position. It’s the same story over all of Europe – I’m in the UK – out-of-control elites, completely detached from the concerns of ordinary people willing to destroy their own countries to facilitate Washington’s agenda.
How to explain it? Well, part of it, I think, is the fruits of NSA spying. Some many secrets garnered over the years that would end careers, personal relationships and perhaps result in criminal prosecution if they ever saw the light of day, saved and stored by the US to be trotted out when ‘cooperation’ is required from key individuals.
The globalisation of elites is also significant – the buffoons of the EU have more in common with each other and their compatriots in the US than they do with the average citizen in Bulgaria or Hungary or Germany.
How to stop them? I don’t think anyone has any good answers to that yet.
Please everyone stop blaming yourselves.
Remember your best qualities and act on them.
It ain’t easy. I know.
Most of the people around you are struggling exactly the same as ‘M’. We are up against utterly ruthless people who are only doing what they’ve always done throughout history, ie., hold onto power at any cost.
This isn’t a complicated thing.
We are in a moment of history when the people who have always called themselves our rulers — and always tended towards socio-pathology — find themselves in possession of enormous technological power and unlimited resources.
Now they have the power to identify the source of potential resistance and deal with it, even beforehand. Do you think they’re not using it? They can eliminate all who stand in their way and they do, consistently. These are exploiters who do not have, nor have they ever had, a sense of when enough is enough.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: these people are not like us. While you will go out of your way to avoid harming another, to the point of hurting yourself, the shadow elite think in a completely different way. Their outlook is fundamentally supremacist and genocidal and they don’t mind poisoning your air, water, food — you name it — so long as they get what they want.
I very strongly recommend reading this piece, along with the comments following it.
Antimycin in Germany
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3774-antimaydan-v-germanii.html
It’s about German reaction to the conflict in the Ukraine, both with regard to media bias and observed citizenry to media and protests. In the comments following the piece there is disagreement with some of the observations presented.
What should be realised is that Germany is not a monolithic entity, any more than any other country is that encompasses a lot of people with local ethnic/cultural/political variations. In some regions of Germany, people agree or disagree with anti-establishment dissent differently.
Germany suffers from the same zio-psyops-manipulation as the rest of the zionised west does. Genuine dissent is corralled into harmless events and POVs. Call it the yuppification of dissent. The dissent promoted is about personal issues, mostly gay promotion and divisive phoney “feminist” propaganda (that has nothing to do with gender equality, the influential ziofascist Jew Dworkin being a very good example of this intentionally divisive rubbish), with the political (zio rendered “safe”) left so vague as to never challenge ZPC/NWO rule. This is mostly part of the ZPC area of expertise, rather than the old-style fascists who make up the NWO – who have all the subtlety of a J. Edgar Hoover/McCarthy, Mussolini, Franco or Hitler. Or Moon (look up the supposedly simian World Anti-Communist League – WACL).
Years ago, while she was still alive, I read an interview with Natasha Richardson about politics. She claimed to be apolitical, who supported “feminism” and “gay rights”, attacked her mother, Vanessa Redgrave for being politically outspoken about Palestinians, and supported her aunt Lynn (a lesser talented egotistical money grub with a product brand name, no more) against her political mum. Essentially, the ZPC brought about 80’s rebellion against the 60’s in the zio-western media brought about cultural psyops. This is what zionist approved political dissent looks like now in the zionised west and what they approve for distribution to the unconquered “east”.
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BRICS…Breaking The Jewish Money Power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPKymVF57Mg&list=UUtBqVgzL_cDv_t9o2hFiXXg
Ukraine’s False Flag Plane Shoot Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkrY9baIj3M
Larchmonter445, American Kulak and Anon as already mentioned by several others offer solid views.
“The Guardian has an article saying that independence movements in Russia are gaining traction, “from Siberia to Kaliningrad” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/russia-fledgling-independence-movements
by: Paul Goble is an American analyst and former US foreign policy adviser
This is the beginning of the new attempt at the “colour” revolution movement in Russia.
Saker, I stress that you shouldn’t overlook the information by Evgeny Fedorov. It would be naive to think that the Axis hasn’t been actively trying to bribe/blackmail POIs within Russia.
There will be Maidan in St Petersburg – Evgeny Fedorov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNAPbuwLMHg
Despite losing both World Wars German leaders still pursue thier old imperialist ambitions(“Drang nach Osten”). They don’t even hide it! But they need the US firepower to destroy or deter any resistance. So they are closely collaborating with the USA. Any attack by the Bundeswehr against Yugoslavia would have failed miserably. So without the US war machine they would have never been able to destroy, invade and colonize Yugoslavia again or expand the German-led EU empire towards the East at the expense of the Eastern European peoples. Those ambitions fit perfectly into the anti-Russian agenda of the USA since 1945 and that is why we don’t see any split between Germany and the USA in the foreseeable future.
In its war doctrine of 1992 the German government openly announced: “Without Germany it is impossible to integrate the East European peoples.”
The German FM Kinkel wrote in 1993: “outwards it is essential to achieve something whereby we have failed twice before”.
In 1994 a strategy paper of the ruling CDU party demanded: “expansion to the East”.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=632_1323437313
One thing that seems not to be common knowledge is that WWI was scarcely over when Nazi thugs were beating up communists. Read about Erich Muehsam, the Raeterepublik. It is entirely possible that those thugs were paid by people in Germany who wanted a pro-western government formed quickly. By the 1930s people had the message. If Jews had not co-opted much of the history of the Nazis, wanting people to see them as THE victim to blind people to their rise to power, that early spread of brutal methods of suppression would be common knowledge.
Yes, there does not seem to be a way of liberating the MSM. Germans could pry control of ARD and ZDF away from the conservatives, though.
One problem is the growth of private schools and universities. One suspects that young people who have not had to learn critical ability go straight from these places to positions of influence and power.
Germany’s strength – moral and economic – was always its school system.
As far as Merkel is concerned, there was a report about her childhood that suggested she had learned to play the system for personal gain. She is nothing but a scheming sycophant who is kept in power as the best face the party can put on its cynicism. She could be x, and the MSM would fight the campaign to elect and maintain.
As for Russia falling – for goodness sake, read ITAR TASS on a regular basis. It is mind-boggling what that country has been achieving for itself these past months. One thing I will say for Obama – he has helped Russia to move more quickly towards their greater good. Not only are they improving in all sectors, they are securing Eurasia against color revolutions. Also read Xinhua: the charismatic Xi Jinping meets with one leader after another – this week it’s Monaco and Montenegro – always new deals. Their supremacy of economic power plus Putin’s consolidastion of Eurasia – together with India’s power, South Africa and the Chinese influence in Africa and the enormous investment by China and Russia in Latin America – the U.S. is just wasting what strength it has left, exhausting itself for no return at all.
@American Kulak,
“shredding whatever credibility the Guardian had left as a source of international news to all leftists and libertarians thanks to the Snowden leaks.”
As an American’s Independent Progressive, so glad you mention The Guardian and Edward Snowden. I include Glen Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill. Pierre Morad Omidyar , and Laura Poitras.
After the blatant lies from The Guardian and some News media, which I trusted. Now took an about 180degree turn, becomes suspicious of the people mentioned above. Are they part and parcels spies planted to destroy Edward Snowden or Russia Federation? Maybe Edward Snowden too parts of the overall conspiratorial theory?
Please, please share your thought of the conspiracy theory? I know Pierre, co-funded Ukraine revolution groups with US government for the downfall Viktor Yanukovych and funded The Intercept.
Kindest Regards
JC
Anonymous said…18 August, 2014 00:11
“quote “The Guardian has an article saying that independence movements in Russia are gaining traction, “from Siberia to Kaliningrad” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/russia-fledgling-independence-movements“
that is why the british spy journalists whoa re really war criminals too msut be caught and then summarily executed.”
The Guardian is zionist Jewish owned and run. Their loyalty is to Israel, and the Israelis owned monopolist scum running Israel’s colonies in the capitalist countries no longer blatantly propagandised as the “free world”.
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cOver one-hundred-fifty years ago, the same empire which threatens Russia using Ukraine as a stalking horse destroyed my homeland, the American South. Given the ongoing reconstruction and demographic war against us, there is but a remnant left; we hope that the events unfolding in the east of Ukraine will be the beginning of the end, even if the end is yet long, of the empire. God save the people of Novorossiya and of Russia herself!
@ 18 August, 2014 01:56 I’m not doubting Fedorov’s intel about US plans for a colored revolution or an aborted one in St. Petersburg. But as we saw in Syria Washington having plans to do a thing and being able to carry it out are two different things.
It’s possible New Insight in this case is being used to send a public, English-subtitled message to Goble and all the other CIA/State Dept propagandists and OSINT watchers that FSB knows what they’re planning and is going to nip it in the bud rather quickly. I expect the ‘stolen September elections in St. Pete’ protests to probably fizzle out with just a few hundred people.
Which is why despite my recognition that Fedorov is a very intelligent and shrewd observer of the techniques Washington uses to corrupt, coerce or coopt Russian chinovniks for its purposes, the Colored Revolutions playbook is sort of like the Wildcat in the National Football League — a set of gimmick plays that have outlived their usefulness once teams learned how to play defense. Or to use a better analogy, the Soviets by 1943 at Kursk had learned defense in depth and counter-offensive tactics to blunt the blitzkrieg tactics that worked well for the Germans in 1941 and less well but still successfully in the summer of 42.
People, as individuals, small groups, networks and movements, are going to have to understand that there will be no legitimate political reform, protesting will not work, voting will not work, we are past all that. We are dealing with a militarized system of repression that is preparing the extermination of large populations in the face of impending resource shortages in the context of climactic disruption.
From this moment on, spiritual, emotional, political, social, artistic ideals will have to be enforced through the classic levers of power: guns and exchange value. Right now, the means of boycott, strike and tax resistance are available. However those means will become even less effective as elites continue to monopolize entire economies and value chains to the exclusion of the masses. It really gets down to a cliche: stock up on guns and ammo, water, food and medicine – and books, paper and pencils because the internet is going to be turned off.
So, in the Five Eyes, Israel and the EU, it really doesn’t matter where you are. As a poster above said, there will be no borders. Just mass repression. Germany will have no independent identity, it is already losing its culture. America has already lost anything good it ever had, it is already a wasteland, shortly it will become a network of military outposts surrounded by abandoned regions. So – either move to South America, Russia or China, or prepare for guerilla warfare. The future is now.
Anonymous said…18 August, 2014 01:56
“Despite losing both World Wars German leaders still pursue their old imperialist ambitions(“Drang nach Osten”). They don’t even hide it!…”
Don’t despair, hero of zio-democracy, here is a pic of a modern techno device that will help you find “it” and yours:
http://www.spiralarts.com/products/pc/catalog/tweezers-cat-large.jpg
With so many to choose from…I know, but you being of that superior genetic pool, you should be able to pick the right one. If still, you can not decide, there is always the Israeli and American embassies. They know.
Rather blunt, but those who promote who promote this sort of cheesy zio-promotion deserve it.
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There are a lot of tidbits of interest in this thread.. I could never confirm with a particular culture so never considered myself as part of a certain geographical region. I think people should not consider themselves as representing what happens because those that supposedly represent them go on a rampage.
Does Germans know that the first people the US went to war against were well, Americans! Called the civil war and we are led to believe that it was because of human rights.. But look deeper and we find that it was between the rights of individuals and the rights of the corporations. And to get that message twisted into the corporations represent the rights of individuals. Does anyone think the US stands for the rights of individuals? If you have problem understanding it, just look at the events in the last 10 years. Or better yet the last few weeks..
Even after the corporations won the civil war, some individuality remained and those people were slowely assasinated when ever they reared their heads to ask for equality and their rights. If Germans think they are worse off, they have not looked at how bad the Americans have it. Oh you can make money a lot easier in the US and usually for most people that is enough and for most humans, money is what counts.. It can bring a decent life for oneself and their families.
To protest you need a permit and can be only in a designated place. usually where the so called leaders of the free world dont have to see them. So much for all that about free speech and right to assemble and rights to get a free pass to Guantanamo and free body cavity searches for your xmas vacations to visit grandma.
It is pretty much the same in every country! Do anyone think the people in china have any freedom? Saudi Arabia? Iran? But in every instance, there are people who believe there is something better.. That we dont need to put others down to have a decent life. Even in the midst of evil. As we see from the bravery of the few like Snowden and a few Israeli’s who have the guts to stand up and tell it like it is when even their own children believe otherwise. We just need to stay informed, resist when we can and keep others apprised of the situation. Because these so called small minded people who call themselves leaders of men, only want control and power over us. They cant control us without keeping us desperate hence it is hard to openly resist what we disagree with.
Just look upwards in the words of John Criton! We are not even the dust in gods eye. Yes we dont even count as much a piece of grain of sand its that small. The only way some of us can feel relevant is to oppress others around them. But others can keep the door open for something better to come along and it will as long as you are open to it and not just long to be in the place of those who oppress us.
Dacian said…18 August, 2014 01:28
“I have to take exception to such baloney that the Eastern Europeans “were taught not to speak up, but to blend in”. That, from the plastic American superman?! Well, I have lived in the US for over 30 years and never met more cowardly conformists, whether on the corporate payroll or at the “luxury” condominium. My neighbors in Eastern Europe were never shy to tell the the boss what they thought.
Some years ago I shared a house with a German IT man working for IBM. Before he returned home, I asked about his strongest impression working in the US. “The paralyzing fear of losing one’s job. The total subservience of the employees. The lack of Union support when in disagreement with the Boss. In Germany one cannot be fired (nor in the old Eastern Europe) for defending a difference of opinion in work related matters.” Never mind arguing with the Police! Try that here!”
100% agreement
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Meanwhile…
CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS
Article 53 – Chapter 8.
1 – […]The Security Council shall, where appropriate, utilize such regional arrangements or agencies for enforcement action under its authority. But no enforcement action shall be taken under regional arrangements or by regional agencies without the authorization of the Security Council, with the exception of measures against any enemy state, as defined in paragraph 2 of this Article[…]
2 – The term enemy state as used in paragraph 1 of this Article applies to any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory of the present Charter.
Article 107 – Chapter 17
Nothing in the present Charter shall invalidate or preclude action, in relation to any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory to the present Charter, taken or authorized as a result of that war by the Governments having responsibility for such action.
@Elites of the West… La Costra Nostra without the accent
Which accent exactly, one may ask?
“The Russian mafia, known also as the Red Mafiya or the “Red Octopus”, is really the Jewish mafia in disguise. It has secret links to Mossad, the Rothschild family, the Federal Reserve Bank, and to powerful Jewish organizations such as AIPAC and the ADL”.
“The roots of Jewish organized crime go far back into tsarist times. Organized crime syndicates assisted Lenin’s gangs in bank robberies and the creation of general mayhem. During the so-called revolution, it was difficult, sometimes impossible, to distinguish between Bolshevik ideologues and Jewish organized crime syndicates. They acted in nearly an identical manner….
The state of Israel is a major factor in the rise and power of the Jewish mafia. Jewish drug dealers, child porn pushers and slave traders are free from prosecution in Israel. Israel does not consider these to be crimes, so long as the victims are non-Jews. The Israeli state will not extradite its citizens to non-Jewish countries, and, therefore, Jewish murderers can quite easily escape punishment in Israel.
(Dr M. Raphael Johnson, The Judeo-Russian Mafia: From the Gulag to Brooklyn to World Dominion)
“Google the word “Israelification”. You’ll get “Israelification of American airports” (Schiphol, anyone?) “Israelification of American domestic security”. “Israelification of US police”. “Israelification of America”.
more at http://www.darkmoon.me/2013/the-judeo-russian-mafia-and-the-bloodbath-to-come-by-dr-lasha-darkmoon/
And that doesn’t say anything about the “Kosher Nostra”, aka “Jewish-American organized crime (sometimes called the Jewish Mob, Jewish Mafia, Kosher Mafia)” (Wiki), whose remote origins are in the border lands between Tsarist Russia and Austro-Hungary (Ukraine?). It’s a small world. Or the Chechen Mafia (Berezovsky).
Therefore where do the Kolomoiskys, Poroshenkos, Moghilevitches (note: “the 67-year-old Mogilevich is behind most of the white slave trafficking of Russian and Eastern European girls to Israel… He possesses his own army, artillery, mechanized infantry, anti-aircraft guns and missiles of all types. Furthermore, he is reported to have his own nuclear weapons, relics left over from the former Warsaw Pact countries) stand?
This is a very interesting discussion arising from “M’s” e-mail.
We, the 99% are considered Slaves –slaves to the masters of the Universe. Slaves can and do rebel to reclaim their freedom.
Elections? What elections? We are allowed to pretend we vote for our representatives. Voting is like putting a note in the Suggestions Box.
Germany; Chancellor Merkel; Obama, Cameron, Rompuy. It’s all politics.
No, not politics. Always follow the money. It may read as simplistic but always follow the money. We are ruled by trans-national banks and corporations. No more borders. Sovereignty, what’s that?
US/EU and US vassals –CanadaAustraliaJapan imposed sanctions on Russia and ExxonMobil shrugged.
In fact, several years ago the former ExxonMobil’s CEO when asked if his company would build more U.S. refineries to fend off gasoline shortages replied ”No, [ExxonMobil is] not a U.S. company and I don’t make decisions based on what is good for the U.S.”
Take a refreshing read – 2 articles post at Globalresearch:
1.The Four horsemen, the megabanks, Banking and 8 families Behind America Oil Wars
2. The ExxonMobil Rosneft Partnership
in the Gulf of Mexico, Kara Sea and the Black Sea; Alaska; West Texas; Alberta, Canada; Russia’s Artic.
“In 2013, ExxonMobil and Rosneft announced a partnership to conquer the Arctic for oil and gas, creating the Arctic Research and Design Center for Continental Shelf Development.
ExxonMobil put down the first $200 million for the initial research and development work, while Rosneft threw down $250 million later. Officially, Rosneft owns 66.67 percent of the venture and ExxonMobil owns 33.33 percent.
(snip)
“Then at the end of 2013, ExxonMobil and Rosneft inked a deal to start a pilot project for tight oil reserves development in Western Siberia’s shale basins. Rosneft owns a 51 percent stake, ExxonMobil a 49 percent stake.
Tillerson recently said the ongoing events in Crimea and Ukraine at-large will have no expected impact on his company’s partnerships with Rosneft.”
And let’s not overlook Gazprom. I’d like to be a fly on the wall when Chancellor Merkel receives that call from Herr Gerhard Schroeder.
Carry On.
Thank you, M. I have learned a lot from this post, and also most of the comments. What really truly stands out, though, is the extent to which we are all victims of the Empire, both in ways we can see clearly and ways we still may not even know. Despite my deep admiration for Putin, I refuse to believe that the only way this Godawful empire can be brought under control is due to the efforts of one world leader or another and/or some sort of collapse. Both of those options posit the very sense of helpless passivity that is being deliberately inculcated in all of us by this Empire we want to see destroyed; we call those who have not yet realized their plight and just trot right along “sheeple’, but if we’re still waiting to be rescued by external forces (Putin, the fall of the dollar, whatever) rather than putting forth our own efforts to help rein this monster in and take it down safely, then I’d say we’ve got the government we deserve.
“Isn’t it interesting-G.Britain. N.Zeeland, Australia, Canada and USA-all countries from former British imperia trying to control the world?-all being directed by old england the real mastermind of this crime. The first prime minister of Australia, Edmund Barton, who drew up the White Australia Policy in 1901: ‘The doctrine of the equality of man was never intended to apply’ to those not British and white-skinned.”
WRONG. The British Empire didn’t give a damn about white people; it was an inherently cosmopolitan enterprise. The White Australia Policy was the result of Australia’s Anglo-Celtic working class struggle to defend itself from the importation of coolie labor and all it implied in terms of economic exploitation and cultural aggression. Call that “racist” if you want to be PC, but it was anti-imperial and pro-labor.
@ 18 August, 2014 02:05
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In response to your question, I too felt very defensive of Snowden for the first several weeks and months after his bombshell revelations. I bought into the Narrative of one American patriot leaker against the Establishment, bolstered by Daniel Ellsberg and hammered home by each additional leak.
Even in late July 2013, however, when I still viewed Snowden as ‘hero’ it was obvious that Snowden could not possibly be the sole source or leaker for everything that was being put out, particularly the Reuters story about the NSA sending intercepts of Americans to the DEA and the IRS. Clearly there had to be another leaker with contacts in those agencies who could help Reuters confirm the fact that the NSA data nominally about foreign intelligence or foreign narco traffickers was now being given to a corrupted, drug dealing (at the top) DEA and the old/newly weaponized IRS to go after the Obama White House and the political Establishment’s enemies lists.
Then I started doing more digging, reading people like Sibel Edmonds and Dr. Steve Pieczenik, and have had to come to the conclusion that Snowden is at least a partial dupe of a CIA operation to take down the NSA. I cannot prove this of course, it remains a theory, but even the fanatical rantings of the NSA’s top ‘social media warrior’ John R. Schindler and his resignation in disgrace from the US Naval War College over the past few weeks after his penis selfies went viral on the web smacks of there being more to the story. Do I feel sorry for Schindler or the arrogant blowhard professors at NWC who tried to turn that military education institution into a full fledged NSA PR operation? Not in the slightest.
Nor do I think Schindler was undone by a CIA or FSB/SVR ‘honey trap’ of some conservative chick flashing her boobs at him to get him to send over kompromat selfies, as Schindler’s groupie Catherine A. Fitzpatrick at the Qatar/Saudi/CIA front outfit The Interpreter insists. Rather I think Schindler’s persistent potshots at the CIA and DIA were part of a broader pattern of Deep State Agency rivalries.
Quite simply the NSA got too damn big for its britches with its ‘collect everything’ ambitions under Gens. Alexander and Clapper after 9/11. With enough time, the NSA might even become a threat to the CIA’s own dirty drug dealing and arms smuggling to Al-Qaeda/future ISIS ops, unless the NSA could be humiliated sufficiently into backing off. I also think the revelations about the CIA spying on Congress and Mr. #TeamNSA himself John R. Schindler agreeing with his nemesis Sen. Paul about the need for DCI Brennan to resign or be fired over it is part of this Deep State fight behind closed doors. So is the purge of the patriots among the US military officer corps extending from Gens and Admirals who may’ve ‘sold out’ right down to Colonels and Majors who haven’t yet been given the loyalty question, according to Canadian ‘ex CIA operative’ in China Dr. Jim Garrow: will you shoot fellow Americans?
Note that the DIA has been treated like the red-headed stepchild of the intel community. I don’t even think the State Dept.’s in house shop the Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) has been bashed as much as DIA. I wonder why? Could it be lingering anger in CIA and NSA over the high level Pentagon brass and the Joint Chiefs of Staff’s opposition to bombing Syria which the banksters, neocons and R2P neoliberals all desperately wanted in August 2013 before Putin humiliated Obama and backed the US off?
It’s just that it’s so unbelievably obvious! How can people not see the traps laid out for them by forces with the darkest of the dark ulterior motives?
For now, I’ll repeat the advice I have given before. To get out of the matrix of fear, raise your vibration to the level of reason, and subsequently, to love. Important clue: love without reason will still lead you astray; you need both to effectively function in the middle realm, also described as the earthly human realm.
the Putin Phenomenon.
According to the mainstream media and politicians in the US, EU, and other Western countries, Putin is the biggest problem the world has today. Strangely enough, it appears it is Putin who is behind pretty much every problem the West itself has created.
After the shooting of the MH17, the biggest and most respected publication of Germany, Der Spiegel, put Putin on the cover with these words: “We must stop Putin before it’s too late.” This info comes from a German journalist. Let me get this straight: The plane flew over Ukraine territory; the Ukraine air traffic control in Dnepropetrovsk made the plane deviate from its course and fly over the war zone, thus deliberately putting it in danger; it was shot down and crashed on Ukraine territory – but Russia, and personally Putin, are to blame nevertheless.
Another bit from Germany: a German politician announced recently that Russia should be denied the right to host the 2018 football (soccer) World Cup as a result of flight MH17 Boeing 777 catastrophe in Ukraine, because… Russia cannot guarantee the safety of Russian airspace.
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/15/is-putin-part-of-nwo/
Lada ray writes an excellent article. It would be too long to explain even a portion of events but you can get the gist of the new world order. And as she says, we should not get snarled in the traps laid out by evil. And some of us have already put a foot into it. If you start thinking the victims are the perpetrators of the crimes we have already lost.
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https://www.facebook.com/jim.garrow.1/posts/10151209214442015
Dr. Jim Garrow: the ‘litmus test’ for top brass under Obama ‘will you shoot Americans? Especially gun owning Americans?’
Garrow’s ‘conspiracy theory’ apparently was so dangerous to TPTB that they turned their ‘Snopes.com’ ‘fact checkers’ on it:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/citizens.asp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610598/Group-US-switched-sides-War-Terror-facilitating-500-MILLION-weapons-deliveries-Libyan-al-Qaeda-militias-leading-Benghazi-attack.html
‘US Switched Sides in the War on Terror’ — Citizens Committee on Benghazi pushed by the Murdoch empire-owned Daily Mail no less
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/11/rumor-check-ex-fbi-agent-claims-obamas-cia-nominee-is-really-a-secret-muslim-recruited-by-saudis/
DCI Brennan accused of becoming a Muslim convert and Saudi intel asset while he was station chief in Riyadh in early 2000s
http://www.shiftfrequency.com/douglas-j-hagmann-death-race-to-damascus-continues/
Doug Hagmann: Death Race Damascus
http://pieczenik.blogspot.com/2014/02/edward-snowden-spy-or-whistleblower.html
Dr. Steve Pieczenik: Snowden is a CIA asset, rage of NSA niks over Ed’s claims of being a ‘spy’ are because they suspect they’ve been duped and he really was allowed to flee into Russian hands from Hong Kong by CIA while NSA lacking operational assets in HK was helpless to do anything
Last but not least, by keeping Snowden safe in Russia Putin is actually doing Brennan a favor, both protecting Ed from people inside NSA who really do fantasize about murdering him AND protecting Snowden’s CIA past and the curious CIA failure to catch Snowden in Hong Kong from further scrutiny. But such favors between adversaries in the intelligence game always come at a price. I wonder what Putin will extract from Brennan, on top of the kompromat SVR/GRU undoubtedly have on Brennan and the CIA’s arming of ISIS and their predecessors in Syria via Benghazi?
You can bet your bottom ruble even if the Anglo-American/NATO country media all cover up what Benghazi was really about with a few notable exceptions, Putin knows exactly what the Agency was up to there and why Amb. Stevens was left to die to cover it up. Putin’s ‘kompromat’ on Obama and where he was during Benghazi as well as the CIA’s dirtiest laundry about supplying MANPADs and advanced weaponry to ISIS is the Kremlin’s trump card, implied in the sudden baffling US/NATO backdown from attacking Syria in August 2013 and likely in the slow destruction of Ukraine’s military by Russian proxies resulting in the collapse of Banderastan and regime change in Kiev this winter.
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/07/25/putin-controls-the-chessboard-obamas-in-deep-trouble/
Is Putin Blackmailing Obama?
The truth is the US ‘switched sides’ in the ‘War on Terror’ and has been funding/arming Al-CIA-eda in Syria and the men who now lead ISIS since at least 2009 if not 2007. Once it became obvious even to many people in Congress that the US would in August 2013 be acting as ‘Al-Qaeda’s Air Force’ in Syria if it bombed Asssad, a new COBRA or superterror group had to be constructed from the ashes of Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia and the most vicious jihadist scum the Saudis and Qataris had been supporting to overthrow Assad.
Dear Folks
I think if we get too despondent about the complete absence of control that we have in the face of the carcinoma that is eating our beloved home and only planet…we must remember that for every thought and word and deed that is done in the presence of truth, that the spiritual worlds can pour into our world…its like a window.
And even if in our lifetime we will not see much of a change…its still worth the efforts that we all make…the future belongs, in the final analysis to the spiritual world.
The reason I like Saker’s blog so much is that when I read the articles, either by Saker himself, or by his selection I do not feel the same helplessness that I feel when I read the continual Alternative Press editorials that are so full of truth, but somehow at a distance that I can’t feel involved…
In this process of life on Earth that is unfolding for us in these times, we must ry to remember and feel the presence of the Divine Worlds, that are so strong in the Universe, and know that humanity is in a huge learning curve right now…it actually remains to be seen if it survives…
Saker is a positive influence on all of us. Really, thank God for this site.
Ann
Great post. I live in France but am from the UK – M’s political analysis describes both ‘my’ countries very well too. Plus, anti-German sentiments are only comic book things in people’s minds. The German relations in our family are the most humourous, polite and morale uplifting people around.
Elsi,
This old Native American prophecy seems apt:
Children of the Rainbow
“When the earth is ravaged and the animals are dying, a new tribe of people shall come unto the earth from many colors, classes, creeds and who by their actions and deeds shall make the earth green again. They will be known as the warriors of the rainbow.”
http://www.sun-nation.org/sun-rainbow-prophecy.html