My name is Egor Prosvirnin, I am the chief editor of the Russian site sputnikipogrom.com which advocates European values. I’ve heard that one of the aspects of life that Europeans, and Germans especially, cherish is history. If we were to recall recent history, we would remember that a vast army of 300,000 Soviet troops along with 5,000 tanks, 1,500 aircraft and 10,000 artillery pieces (including tactical nuclear weapons) simply left the then just-united Germany without firing a shot.
It was an operation unprecedented in scope and brevity, when the entire Soviet army withdrew literally to open fields. Tens of thousands of Soviet officers, obeying the orders of the supreme command, went from their warm barracks to live in moldy tents set up in the middle of sodden snow-covered fields. In many instances along with their families.
For what?
For hope. Hope that the dark pages of history between our two countries were finally and forever past. Hope that we no longer have to keep armies of tanks in the center of Europe, and that Europe would respect and consider our interests. Hope that in a united Germany we would have a good friend and ally, with whom Russia would fulfill the dream of Charles de Gaulle of a united Europe stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
When our armies were leaving Germany, our soldiers were told that Germany had recognized and redeemed its mistakes of the past, there were no undecided issues with Germany, and that we would no longer hear German voices calling for retribution against Russia, therefore we did not need our Army of tanks positioned in the middle of Europe.
From that moment, Russians and Germans were friends, and friends have no need for vast armadas of armor and tanks. Russians should cease being afraid of a united Germany and disarm.
And we disarmed. And for 20 years we felt that we did the right thing, that the past is forgotten forever, and that the Germans appreciated how readily we closed all the bases and brought all the troops home (although there are American bases in Germany to date). In good times our friends know us; in troubled times we come to know our friends; and troubled times did come via the Ukrainian crisis. It became clear that the Germans do not remember the good. It turned out that the Germans did not learn the lessons of history, it seems that the Germans viewed the voluntary dismantling and withdrawal of our war machine not as humanism and goodwill, but weakness.
It turns out that when the Americans spoke loudly and sharply with the German chancellor, whom they for all these years have kept under surveillance like some sticky-fingered housemaid, the entire German society leaped up like a submissive dog running obediently to its American master…. even when the conflict with Russia goes against German economic and political interests. It seems therefore that if one blunts their sword, removes their armor, ceases the Soviet-era preparations for World War III, and is reaching out to the Germans, the Germans will spit in your extended hand at the first opportunity.
It turns out that Russians are yet again “Untermensch”, who can be savaged with impunity on the pages of the German press and punitive sanctions demanded from the rostrum of the Bundestag, while disallowing an opportunity for Russia to openly and equitably argue its case. It turns out, however, that the Ukrainian government can without any liability prohibit the Russian language, jail Russian activists, target residential neighborhoods with volleys of artillery, kill thousands of civilians who happen to be mostly Russian – and that’s OK. It is OK because it’s a “democracy”, and it suits Germany because Russians are “Untermensch”, because Russians are Jews whose blood for Germans is worth nothing. And what’s more, for trying to defend themselves, for attempting to return fire against the Ukrainian armed forces, Russians should be punished, publicly harassed, their will to resist broken, and then forced into an international Russian ghetto.
Then burn that ghetto, as the Trade Unions building in Odessa was burned with 49 pro-Russian protesters inside. Do you know how the Ukrainian social networks responded to this holocaust? By referring to the dead as “Colorado Shishkebabs”(*) – this is what tens of thousands of people in the Ukrainian social networks wrote, including indecent sayings copied into photos of the charred bodies.
We are again the subhumans, we are again nothing but animals that Ukrainian Nazis may kill with impunity, creating a “Russian-frei Ukraina”. According to the data collected by Human Rights Watch, only during this past July the Ukrainians killed one thousand one hundred fifty PEACEFUL RUSSIANS in the eastern part of the country, and these killings continue daily. Where are your protests, Germany? Where are your sanctions against Ukraine? Where is your vaunted humanism that you profess to have learned since 1945 by recognizing the errors from your past?
artwork by Josetxo Ezcurra |
Saur-Mogila, which is located on strategic heights and is a memorial to Russian soldiers who died there 70 years ago during a fierce battle with the Wehrmacht, has once again been stormed. This time by the Ukrainian battalion “Azov” wearing their Wolfsangel patches, a symbol of the 2nd, 4th and 34th SS divisions, and you are silent! Russian militia are ducking behind the granite statues of Soviet soldiers from neo-Nazi bullets fired by “the National Guard” of Ukraine, and you dare to agree with the American nonsense about “Russian aggression”! Ukrainians shoot cities with ballistic missiles, leaving craters in places homes once stood, and you impose sanctions not against Ukraine but against Russia!
Again, troops are killing unarmed Russian civilians, and you are debating whether it is time to start delivering weapons to these murderers so that they can kill more Russians? All of your vaunted “politics of memory” and “learning from the past” is simply a pile of dog shit, as again before your eyes unarmed civilians are butchered, and you applaud this and promise these Ukrainian murderers fresh financing.
You have not learned humanism, you Germans. You have not learned responsibility. You have not learned to resist Evil and tell that Evil clearly to its face, “No, you are the killer, I will not help you, you must stop the killing immediately.” You have not learned to be a responsible, independent, free people, who are capable of giving good in return for good.
You are slaves who think good is a weakness.
In 1934, Hitler drove you like sheep, and in 2014 Obama is your shepherd. If tomorrow in Germany, the Americans open a concentration camp for Russians, half of you will immediately submit their curriculum vitaefor jobs as operators of the gas chambers, and your press will start to explain how this camp is patriotic and good for the German economy. It would then follow that killing these Russian “Untermensch”, crafting lampshades out of their skin for daring to resist, and sending this nicely packaged to Washington to please your American ally.
Germans have failed their test. When Evil has returned again to Europe, you do not even attempt to resist it, and immediately fall prostrate at its feet like a slave after the eagerly-awaited, long delayed return of your master. Serve Evil, impose sanctions, support the murder of Russians, supply weapons to the killers of Russians, justify this genocide – the end of your story will be familiar, because Evil cannot win.
I will conclude this text with a popular quote from the famous American stateswoman Ms. Victoria Nuland, who obviously makes the decisions in Ukraine instead of your Chancellor:
“Fuck the EU”.
Like it or not, but admit that the Americans are a smart people capable of accurately determining the “price” of a united Germany and a united Europe.
source: http://sputnikipogrom.com/europe/germany/18213/russian-appeal/
“Fuck the EU”.
I would agree. Their days & numbered.
There is no way back from what has been started. Kiev is already effectively a US military dictatorship. Germany will pay the price in Euros and blood for cowardice, treachery and war crimes. Donbass is earning its future in the sun. Do the Germans think that Nazis will be allowed to occupy Saur Mogila and install nuclear missiles in Kharkiv? Do the Germans think that the ‘birthplace’ of Rus will be under permanent Nazi occupation? The Germans have now lost one generation to their folly. They will be lucky not to lose more – or lucky not to survive the current generation.
– not composed on an Iphone, from the USA
This is an appalling rant.
God help Russia.
This rant is no where near as appalling as the lack of integrity on the part of frumpy Frau Merkel. You needn’t invoke God on Russia’s behalf. Save your prayers for Germany.
Q: Like it or not, but admit that the Americans are a smart people capable of accurately determining the “price” of a united Germany and a united Europe.
R: If the downing of MH17 is anything to go by, I’m convinced those ‘smart Americans’ get their marching orders from some place else or ‘they’ work in tandem because of ‘tribal alliances.’
This should be read at the United Nations.
Full page ads in the rags of the West should emblazon this letter.
It is time for a movement to rise. Stop the genocide of East Ukraine and the sacrificial waste of Ukrainian soldiers sent in the name of criminals and psychopaths.
The Germans have rather guilt, mainly Westerners.
Not demanded the departure of the French, British and American troops in its territory when the unification.
Made documentaries about Russian bases hastily abandoned deteriorated as the Russians like to live in them.
Showed how the bases abandoned by some NATO troops remained intact for use by the population.
Forgot to say that more than half of German territory was in the hands of those who invaded West Germany.
No, I’m sorry for the Germans today, if regorgizaram in dollars and euros, weep now.
Forgotten that it is the production of goods is where the success of a nation, what ensues is what you eat, which produces and sells is wealth.
When there is exchange, nations are stable.
Angela Merkel is a citizen of East Germany, created the school of intellectual sofrimeno, suffered the Stasi, the USA did not trust it so much that monitored; that alone is enough to show something about Germany today.
This is a view of a Brazilian who has never been to Europe or the USA, do not matter.
If the earth is enough for me where I live.
Who knows how to live with little, little survives.
This world does not take anything.
:-)
Proftel
Though the mills of God grind slowly;
Yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience He stands waiting,
With exactness grinds He all.
If you claim that western values and the west are superficial and full of shit, then why the anguish, why the crying? Do you think that the Germans will be shamed into feeling something? If they could get over their extermination of 20 million Soviet people in WW2, what makes you think that your finger wagging will make them feel something about a few thousand more Donbass monkeys?
This open letter is in effect a great propagandist piece for the German fascist freaks who can’t wait to exterminate some more Russians. When you come at them from a position of weakness, crying like a mewling child, they know they are kicking your ass, and they can smell the blood in the water.
“And for 20 years we felt that we did the right thing, that the past is forgotten forever, and that the Germans appreciated how readily we closed all the bases and brought all the troops home (although there are American bases in Germany to date). In good times our friends know us; in troubled times we come to know our friends; and troubled times did come via the Ukrainian crisis. It became clear that the Germans do not remember the good. It turned out that the Germans did not learn the lessons of history, it seems that the Germans viewed the voluntary dismantling and withdrawal of our war machine not as humanism and goodwill, but weakness.”
How sad but true. Perhaps Europe lost a golden opportunity, in our generation, to leave in a long Peace from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
But at that time, although i feel some euphoria for the end of Cold War, but was intrigued why the americans troops still stay in Europe. Now everything is clear, isnt it?
I posted this comment in a previous thread but I hope Saker will allow me to repost in response to an Anonymous commenter who said the NAF enjoys no popular support. I explain how Nora is correct that there has not been the mass mobilization Strelkov and others hoped for, but neither is there any love left for Kiev in Donbas. I also talk about Russia’s mistakes made before this crisis in which it found itself outside of Crimea mostly reacting to what Kiev does rather than being proactive:
American Kulak said…
Anonymous @ 13 August, 2014 09:54
1/ I cannot agree with [Anonymous] contention that the rebels were merely an armed minority and have stayed that way. It is true when this revolt began their numbers were tiny, and they had only a few Kalashnikovs and even some WWII vintage submachine guns. The Ukie nationalists were not lying when they jeered in April that the Maidan enjoyed 100s of thousands of supporters in comparison. Of course what the Ukies from the West always omit from that part of the story is that their nationalists also took over government buildings, their people attacked police men (something the Donbas separatists did not do at least at the beginning until Kiev gave cops orders to shoot them), and they had no problem with violent insurrection for THEIR SIDE declaring independence from Kiev, even if there was no question of Lviv joining Poland.
They also omit that protesting had become a way of life in Lviv, Kiev and many other parts of Ukraine since the Orange Revolution and there had always been money for this, serious money in the case of the Maidan since somebody had to pay for the toilets and the catering if nothing else as the sarcastic Russian video Saker posted months ago pointed out. It was recently confirmed by Christopher Booker writing in the Daily Telegraph that the Maidan movement was paid through German banks [including Deutsche Bank], and likely German NGOs. We know for example that Klitschko was a protege of the Christian Democrats’ foreign NGO foundation for years, which is a reason Victoria Nuland in the infamous ‘f the EU’ tape spurned Klitschko in favor of her guy ‘Yats’.
So you cannot compare the massive and planned for years propaganda push to fully envelope Ukraine into the Atlantic NATO/EU Empire and Russia’s belated and somewhat half-hearted efforts until it took Crimea and the real civil war began in earnest. We all can agree here other than providing Ukraine with half of its foreign trade and cheap gas under Yanukovich Russia did very little to nothing to counter the growing storm of Ukrainian ultranationalism and Russophobia. Except for perhaps some contacts with the Donbas/Novorossiya federalization (at that time it was not a separatist) movement via summer camps in Rostov for young activists like Gubarev, these efforts were almost non-existent before Putin recognized the threat after Yanukovich’s violent overthrow.
The BBC’s Daniel Sandford can whine all he likes about how the Novorossiya movement was allegedly already being prepared by the Russian security services and the NAF are simply Russian stooges. The reality is it was the West that spent $5 BILLION dollars from Nuland’s own mouth on bringing Ukraine into its orbit since 1991. How much has Russia spent in that same time to build up proxies or allies in Ukraine? I’m guessing only a fraction of that. Corrupt deals via Putin’s pal Medvechuk, Tymoshenko and Yanukovich not only did not help Russia, they made the situation worse by pushing many Ukrainians who detest corruption but are not anti-Russian into the arms of the Galician Nazis and their fronts like the Fatherland Party or Svoboda.
14 August, 2014 01:23
2 / 2 / reply to Anonymous who says Putin is selling out Novorossiya — read Auslander’s reply. He is much closer to the action so to speak with his ear to the ground and sources that have proven reliable coming out of the Donbas with eyewitness accounts than almost all of us, save for the Saker and Juan.
If Auslander says Putin will not abandon Novorossiya than that’s good enough for me. But even if I didn’t take Auslander at his word, the Ukies are gaining ground but paying for it with more blood than ever. The resistance is retreating at times but isn’t taking huge casualties nor folding. Ground that the Ukies confidently claim to have taken such as Krasny Luch or Pervomaiysk turns out to still be in NAF hands after the Kyiv Post puts out Avakov and Tymchuk’s bogus pronouncements about glorious Banderastan victories. The ‘noose’ is said to be tightening around Donetsk every day but the Ukie forces are increasingly concentrated in a smaller area negating their advantages in manpower and firepower, levelling the playing field so skillful and determined defenders can kill them with snipers, machine guns, claymore mines, RPGs and ATGMs whereas before the Ukies could hide behind their artillery and armor advantage.
I’m not saying Donetsk can hold out forever, it certainly cannot. But if it’s not going to be the Ukies equivalent of Stalingrad it will certainly be their Grozny in 1994, and the pretense of only 500 casualties will gradually be replaced with the grim undeniable reality of truckloads of body bags coming home from the front to Nykolaev, Kherson, Zaporozhe, Dnepropetrovsk and Lviv.
Right now contrary to all of the Ukie propaganda the encirclement of Donetsk is NOT complete. The rebels hold Krasny Luch and are blasting away with GRADs and arty at the Ukrainian units that had threatened Gorlovka. Without Krasny Luch and Gorlovka the encirclement of Donetsk remains piss thin to the southeast, and the forces there could find themselves slaughtered with GRADs and arty sufficiently that they have to pull back and the NAF drives armor and truckloads of resupply right into the city. In fact I believe that with the Ukies and Western MSM fixated on the humanitarian convoy that is precisely what the NAF is preparing thanks to 150 kms of wide open border with Russia perfect for infiltrating GRADs, howitzers, and truckloads of 1 km range ultra-lethal Koronet ATGMs of the latest generation. The NATO hope that it can rely on decapitation drone or long range missile strikes is a fool’s hope, they will never find them all and the NAF will keep blasting drones from the skies with increasing concentrations of road mobile and camoflaged SAMs.
In short, whether or not the NAF has mass support, there is certainly no great enthusiasm for the Ukie ‘liberators’ — their accounts admit this themselves with a former Berkut man turned National Guardsman admitting the locals wave and then flip off the Ukies behind their backs while giving the NAF tips on their camp locations using cellphones. The truth is the majority of the Donbas population was always probably apathetic or ready to side with the winners, but the level of hatred for this Kiev regime on the part of men and women has been growing with every shelled apartment bloc and ruined school or hospital. There is simply no chance as long as Kiev keeps killing and bombing the civilian population at this rate that it can ‘win hearts and minds’ — it can only lose even if the NAF can squander the opportunity to gain support through infighting and allowing sabotage by Ahkmetov [and Moscow 5th columnists who fraudulently report ‘Strelkov is dead’] agents.
14 August, 2014 01:32
3/3 To complete part 3 of my long rambling reply to Anonymous, who hopefully IS NOT a concern troll but seems sincere…ALL of the evidence I’ve seen from the battles underway since April is that the Ukies attack, they take heavy casualties, and they retreat. The Ukie army mostly advances and conquers ground where the NAF simply doesn’t have the manpower or the ammo to resist very well, in most cases where they grossly outnumber the NAF 10 to 1 in a sector or a piece of front. The front is always shifting, it is never truly stable except in rare instances like the Southern Cauldron partial encirclement, and even there the NAF lacked the manpower to fully eliminate the pocket they could only destroy 50% of it with perhaps 20% of the survivors fleeing to Russia before being repatriated.
Every.single.time. the Ukies run into an NAF force that is moderately well equipped or try to engage them within ATGM range, they get their asses kicked. Every.single.time. in this war. That’s not to say that there aren’t courageous Ukrainian soldiers or that all Ukies are cowards. Quite the opposite. There is a certain drugged out false ‘courage’ like the Right Sector morons won the other day driving into Donetsk suburbs with unarmored vans and getting slaughtered within seconds due to their hubris and stupidity. There are decent Ukie officers like this one who remind me of Wehrmacht officers in 1942-43: an order’s an order and must be obeyed irrespective of sanity or the nature of the regime. There are a handful of Ukie spetsnaz units that are very well trained, and a broader number of a few hundred paratroopers who survived the Southern Cauldron and who may know how to avoid encirclement by now. But that’s it. The hardcore Nazis, the enthusiasts like the Donbas Battalion with my dumbass fellow American who fights for Ukraine, and even the somewhat more saavy but vicious Azov Battalion will all be dead in four months of fighting. They will die in urban meatgrinders, they will die via roadside bombings or sniper/ATGM and mortar attacks on their exposed block posts, they will die even perhaps from civilians giving their locations to polite men in green, should Putin decide to step up the covert intervention. Azov’s HQ on the Sea of Azov of the same name seems to me to be a sitting duck for Naval spetsnaz from Crimea to come in one night and kill them all by blowing up that place with thermite.
The ONLY way Kiev wins this before winter is via meatgrinder warfare, gross NAF incompetency or infighting, and through the kind of deadly accuracy of fire [Predator drone hellfires/Crusader-type ‘smart’ arty] that can only be introduced via NATO troops being much too close to the front and vulnerable to NAF partisan activities for their politicians’ comfort. But there is no way in hell Washington, London or NATO will be able to deny their near-direct participation in the fighting for the Donbas nor can they avoid Russia opting to retaliate in kind, perhaps with a few drone or even cruise missile strikes of its own on Nazi HQs and CPs all over the Donbas.
14 August, 2014 01:47
Anon 2:29
“This is an appalling rant”
Anon, I think this is an extremely well-written, emotional essay, written by someone, possibly in Eastern Ukraine. Maybe you should go and live there and see if you could write a better, more “objective” and equally well-written piece.
Saker’s blog, has as its front emblem a flag of Novorussia, so an essay in this mood is not alien to this blogsite.
The essay “The Russian Appeal to Germany” is very hard on the German people… although many German people are trying to stop their criminal government, the same way Americans are trying to stop theirs…
The essay is truthful. Why has the German nation not arisen to its SE Ukrainian neighbour’s plight ? Why is it that Germans seem to be half asleep all the time ? Perhaps the education of the western world has doped the German folk to the point of Americanization…
But Americans at least have the excuse of being an ocean apart from Ukraine…we have our own troubles now with the Mexican border.
If the Central Powers don’t wake up and arise, the world may not not make it… but I don’t think Germany is expected to become suddenly warlike. Nazis are everywhere, they didn’t originate in Germany and Germany is not responsible for them. Germany was a victim of them.
Its more in the realm of aid that Germany exceeds. Germany should send humanitarian aid to SE Ukraine and meet Russia there.
This is a BAD piece. Hope that not many Germans read it. Shouting “Nazis” at the German people for a foreign policy their zionist-owned regime is responsible for is as wrong-headed as accusing the Egyptian people for its government’s support of the Israeli genocide.
You don’t appeal to people by insulting them unjustly. This is not the kind of Russian voice that needs to be heard.
ariadnatheo
Carmel by the Sea:
That’s a beautiful quote by google translate…I think the meaning has been changed somewhat, but very appropriate.
Who wrote the original ?
Since Hitler and the Nazis fell, Germany (first ‘East’ and ‘West’ and then the newly re-unified whole) has been under Jewish control. Did you know that to this day, German people are not allowed to know (at school) of the entire city destroying Holocausts the British and the Americans inflicted against so many German cities. And, of course, the Germans are taught that the ONLY significant deaths during WW2 were those of the Jews. The vastly greater number of murdered Slavs and Chinese don’t count, apparently.
And heaven forbid the Germans recall what happened to Germanic people in the aftermath of WW2, when millions of wholly innocent people were driven from their homes simply because they made the ‘mistake’ of putting ‘German’ as their heritage on Census documents gathered before the start of WW2.
However, since Roman times and before, the Germanic people have always been slaves to their compromised and despicable ‘leaders’. Their is no independence of spirit with the general Germanic population, which is why Britain and its child nations dominate the Earth instead.
This bizarre ‘Russian’ appeal, as some have noted above, shows nothing but weakness in the character of a significant faction of Russians as well. But in this document, we see why Hitler and Stalin felt safe creating an ‘alliance’ between the Russian and German Peoples, even when both leaders were preparing for war against the other- war they knew would consume the lives of millions of their sheeple.
There’s the truth, and then there’s what idiot sheeple think is the ‘truth’.
It was particularly sad/hilarious when the writer compared Russians to ‘Jews’. Can any Russian be so stupid they they do not know that the exact same Jewish forces that bring Genocide to Gaza also bring genocide to Novorussia? But then, since the revolution, ordinary Russians have been brainwashed to see the Jewish part of their population as ‘superior’, which is why Jewish oligarchs were able to steal all the wealth that ordinary Russians had worked so hard to create.
Worse, the entire mass media and pseudo-independent media of the West is in Jewish hands, and this media machine, in ever more strident language, describes Russians and Putin as the new Hamas, the new Nazis, the new ISIS- the demonic threat that threatens the future of Mankind. A bit of a hint as to what future the Jews want to give Russia.
And one thing I’ll say about the Jews- they mean what they say. For two years BEFORE the Holocaust in Gaza, the entire Jewish media machine in Israel and the USA had been calling for genocide of the Palestinian people if they formed a unity government and applied to join UN bodies.
As utterly insane as it seems, the call to have the West wage war against a nuclear armed Russia is no joke or game. When the Jewish dominated BBC demonises Russia day after day, for instance, it is because these monsters expect their propaganda to bear fruit.
http://sputnikipogrom.com/angryrussians/18078/your-fight-nor-ours/
Also recommend to fellow right wing bitter clingers like Larchmonter this piece published by an American in Sputnik Progrom. I’m glad the emerging Russian nationalist intelligentsia (there’s a contradiction in terms, eh? The old inteligentsia always used to think the West was a paradise, and maybe for a few decades they were right in comparison to the USSR at its worst, but now?) can understand the Amerikansky muzhik. Very important for the peace talks after we real Amurricans finally get rid of these New World Order/Globalist Empire assholes and chase them all off to London or Switzerland, hopefully before they blow up Russia and the world.
R,
AK
The EU and America are totaaly corrupt. Since the end of WW@ it has been endless wars by the USA and UK. Disgusting. Russia and Gazprom need to price their oil and gas in yuan, rubles or gold. F the corrupt west.
The German people are beteer than this or maybe not. Do Germans want to be sheep to Obama and his zio oligarch bosses?
That was both needed and appropriate.
Sometimes a slap in the face/rant is exactly what is needed for people to jolt awake out of the semi-hypnotic stupor media has immersed them in.
But so that the spectre of a raging mutual hatred does not once again raise itself (and realize empire goals) let us remember the following:
“Christof Lehmann notes that he had a conversation with “a top-NATO admiral from a northern European country” who clarified the situation in a terse, two-sentence summary of US foreign policy. He said:
“American colleagues at the Pentagon told me, unequivocally, that the US and UK never would allow European – Soviet relations to develop to such a degree that they would challenge the US/UK’s political, economic or military primacy and hegemony on the European continent. Such a development will be prevented by all necessary means, if necessary by provoking a war in central Europe”.”
(sorry, I lost the url)
Lest us remember the source of these things.
Human spirit vs. the walking dead. Go.
More than 22,400 people have signed an online petition calling on the United Nations to recognize independence of people’s republics of Luhansk and Donetsk.
http://en.ria.ru/politics/20140814/191987302/Poroshenko-Biden-Discuss-Humanitarian-Situation-In-Ukraine.html Petro Poroshenko and US Vice President Joseph Biden on Wednesday discussed thehumanitarian situation in eastern Ukraine.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-baiting-russia-into-war-ukraine-nazis-and-western-complicity/5395657
It is commonly understood that Propaganda is usually employed to garner citizens’ support for current political objectives. But, these need to be placed in the proper context, in order to make them appear justified within the greater scheme of things. This fact has long been recognized, and therefore, since the eighteenth century, there has been a concerted effort to consolidate the media, in order to ensure a perception of reality, that was commensurate with the objectives of the powers that be.
Part of this agenda has been the re-writing of history, to nurture patriotic devotion to the collective consisting of the nations of Europe and America as “Western Civilization”, to be pitted in opposition with some specific “other”. In our case, the “East”.
The wholesale reorganization of history was undertaken at the beginning of the nineteenth century by the leading Robber Barrons. After the Civil War, the US government handed over huge tracks of land to specific individuals, who then used that land as collateral to build the railroads. The leading Robber Barrons were John D. Rockefeller and Andrew carnegie, who in turn were acting on behalf of the powerful Rothschilds in London.
http://thedyinggod.com/
I hope this letter will reach as many Germans as much as possible.
Some previous commenter is speaking about a weakness of the writer and complaining about the comment around the Western values.Look at the biggest superpower USA how the superpower is ended because of these psychotic wars. There are on the food stamps with the enormous huge level of debt, compare with Russia and their surplus. Then who is winning this war?
The mad Nazi man or the polite man you label them week.
Great article on German cowardice in this matter.
Here are some comments about the roots of international law:
The Law of nature is bestiality – might makes right – and leads to the slow evolution of species. Natural law however is governed by reason, (reason being itself a product of nature in the last instance), it prohibits the initiation of force and fraud – by reference to apriori logic – and it gives rise thereby to the fast evolution of civilisation.
The case for such an analysis is given as early as 1433 by Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa, who, writing in Concordantia Catholica, states;
“Since Natural Law is based on reason, all law by nature is rooted in the reason of man…
There is in the people a divine seed by virtue of their common equal birth and the equal natural rights of all men, so that all authority – which comes from God as does man himself – is recognized as divine when it arises from the common consent of all the subjects… “
But what Cusa sees as divine we can ascribe to the principle of apriori reasoning, as per Kant. The effect of underpinning Natural law is the same but is achieved through recourse to reason and nature and not with reference to the divine. Thus it becomes a stronger concept, the whole rational basis for modern Liberalism in fact.
Unfortunately in modern politico-economic praxis the distinction between rational law and the law of nature is not sufficiently clarified or understood, leading to the decline of the Liberal tradition both in foreign and domestic policy in the West. This is because Liberalism becomes unfairly associated with lawlessness and the rule of crude nature over reason – might over right – but often (these days) dressed up in the hypocritical garb of Liberal reasoning, a damaging development currently being pioneered by the United States.
A good example of this might be the promulgation of United States foreign policy at the present time which promotes self serving lawlessness under the guise of the language of right and of Liberalism. But Liberalism need not degenerate this way – as the highly legalistic foreign policy of Russia (which perhaps more accurately lays claim to the language of Natural right) has shown. Giving hope of a system of international law based on true Liberty – i.e. the eschewal of the use of force and fraud (including and especially by so called “intelligence” services) – rather than the sheer abuse of the same.
Ironic that the nation which claims to be based on the foundation of Liberty should in fact be the very antithesis of a system such as this.
Sorry Saker but this rant just does not meet the quality and standards of previous reports.
Germany was controlled and occupied by 2 Sides.
The USSR and the Western “axis”.
We know that the USSR had to give up its hold and retreated for many reasons other than “hope”.
The other side however never left. Who parks their nuclear weapons, the listening posts and the military bases in Germany?
Maybe the Russians will finally liberate Germany after all said and done?!
Oh please, get off your high horses with the German bashing. Any observer knows that Germany is occupied territory and is told what to do. Fact is there are many protests occuring in Germany of the people against what is happening. Ukraine, EU, debt money systems are all focus points of these protests as are many German people showing support for Russia.
Russia and US know Germany is the key to the future. US occupies Germany militarily and Zio Banking is also a large part of the German equation. This is a big issue and one I hope the Germans can rectify. May the Germans throw off the shackles as the Russians have done and take their place at tthe table of a united Eurasia.
Eurasia, a project that has been blocked by Anglo Zionists for over 100 years with 2 world wars as the result.
Justin
One could make the case that it is Russia, not Germany, that has many lessons to learn. One is that moving Western and Central Europe away from US and UK control is not going to be done peacefully. Another is that Pushkov was quite right in saying that Russia needed a new approach to the Ukraine. What has been done there the last 23 years was some mix of incompetence, fear, stupidity, naivety, blindness, indecisiveness, and probably more.
And, as someone pointed out, this reads like a pep rally for the Nazis. They are bullies, and now you are crying. This will make them happy.
Finally, “European values” most definitely include might making right – particularly regarding countries with natural resources. The entire Western business model is based on taking resources for 10 cents on the dollar. So the West can’t really allow Russia to get 50 cents on the dollar for that much longer.
I remember reading that the Germans were so affected by their descent into barbarism in the 1930’s / 1940’s, that afterward they invented a word meaning ‘acknowledging and coming to terms with’ their country’s crimes during that period. And I remember in the 1980’s, when the largest peace demonstrations took place in Germany, we were told that this was because they had learned, better than other countries, the awfulness of war and militarism. However, Germany’s current attitude to Ukraine & Russia suggests that that whole “German as soul-searching peacenik” notion was, as the author writes, “dogsh-t”.
The Russian Appeal to Germany (Repost OpEdNews.Com)
The most significant history of Russian-German relations is written in blood.
Hitler’s invasion of Russia caused the deaths of 26 million Russians, civilian and military, out of a 1940 population of 192 million. Between 9.0 and 14. million Russians soldiers died fighting the Nazi hordes. These losses were part of the larger Russian effort to defeat Hitler and save Europe and the rest of the world form a 1000 year Reich. Without Russia’s military brilliance, bravery and sacrifice, it is difficult to imagine the fall of Berlin, the Nuremberg trials, and the recovery of Western Europe. Absent Russian efforts and sacrifice, there would have been no Europe to recover, just the brutality and banality of Nazi miscreants.
In this context, it is easy to imagine Russian dismay then outrage at German subservience to the United States neoconservative plot to establish a virulently anti-Russian, fascist government in Ukraine.
The following appeal to Germany by Russian journalist Egor Provirmin offers an eloquent argument for a new German enlightenment regarding the realities and reciprocal obligations in current and future Russian-German relations.
Michael Collins
The Russian appeal to Germany
By Egor Provirmin
Baboo says here’s an interesting comment from a ZH thread concerning the unrest in Ferguson.
Keyser
…All the Russians have to do is launch a cyber-attack on the electronic EBT card system in the US… They will have 1000 Fergusons overnight…
The front in the next war must be outside Russian territory. The front must be in Poland, Germany, Scandinavia, Baltic states, Western and Central Europe. Nuclear weapons must be used because Russia does not have enough soldiers for long conventional war. US must be attacked with strategic weapons before it attacks Russia, even if US is capable of counterstrike. It is better that both sides lose than just Russian side. It is of paramount importance that the territory of US, UK, Canada and Australia becomes war zone in the next war. They must not be allowed to stay outside destruction zone.
Just my Serbian point of view.
Beautiful text.
I’m translating this in French.
How do I submit it to the French Saker ?
Saker,
While not a German national — can’t imagine this “appeal” would have much sway with Germans or anyone for that matter. It’s rather appalling really. Overblown, maudlin, silly. Unworthy of Russia or Russians — particularly given Putin’s on the right-side-of-truth lately.
It’s your blog — but this kind of trivial emotionalism doesn’t help the “cause” and might possibly turn-off those who are leaning toward Russia these days. But what do I know. Maybe dredging up images of the Soviet military in Germany at the end of WW2 is net-positive. Then again — maybe not.
Bleah! I’m retching!
From The Guardian CiF comments, this response by poster nick: Bordeaux69
(hopefully the link to this appeal will not be censored)
Dear Egor,
My name is Christina
Thanks for your poignant message.
There is huge support throughout Europe for your nation and your culture.
The people of Western Europe know exactly is going on and we know which nations are guilty for doing what. There are good people in every part of the world – we just need to get together.
Russia is doing a fantastic job in restraining herself from all the insults of the clique in the US. Great changes are coming and you are not on your own ! Here in the UK we have to make many changes too.
I will browse your site.
Good luck to us all !
The author is pushing it a little with ‘the Russians as the new Jews’ and the ‘Untermenschen’ stuff. The current situation is the result of exceptionally weak European leadership, not the rise of ‘German fascism’. The author ignores that the general German public has more sympathy for Putin then for Obama and would prefer a geopolitical position closer to Russia and more distance to America. Nobody in Europe wants war. Meanwhile in France, Marine le Pen heads the largest party and wants to implement the Gaullist dream and turn to Russia and leave the West. Let Europe have a cold winter so it is forced to rethink the old convenient western assumptions.
Kind regards,
Dutch.
This offends me a bit as a german. Not all are like this… The most people i tell about the situation in the Ukraine (an in the world in general) just don’t know what is going on, either they are only watching the mass media when they are home from work, tired and burned out (because here you live to work too justn to have enough to get along while not begging the government for money)…or their English isn’t good enough to choose from valid informations sources on the internet.
But i can assure that most off the people IM openening the eyes are willing to listen and are far away from being anti Russian.
“Perhaps the education of the western world has doped the German folk to the point of Americanization…”
…Yes many are, and its damn hard to “wake” those people up and keep them awake.
Greetings from Germany
As a German that is appalled by our government’s politics I find this article to be insulting and can only hope that not all Russians think and feel that way. And Saker, I find it sad that you would post such an indiscriminate article. Go ahead folks, hate on all the Germans. Blame us all, as usual. Equate what our politicians do with what many people want. Every day I see lots and lots of Germans protesting and speaking up against what is happening. And frankly, I am tired of the push the German blame button game. Look in the mirrors people.
There seems to be a well-organized ‘spontaneous’ action going on in Kiew. Lots of brand new flags carried by young people calling for lustration – purging the regime of undesirable elements. This has happened in other post-Communist countries, but the Ukraine proposals are extreme. They include a lifetime ban from entry into politics for opponents.
The pattern fits the typical color coded regime change model, run by a connected marketing agency.
Egor Prosvirnin, I would sincerely advise more conciliatory tone if you are addressing the whole of German people. West’s war agenda is being driven by a tiny cabal and an accolade of their paid servants. The ordinary people – for the most part see through this. See the open letter to VVP by 300 German intellectuals written last April: http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-crisis-300-german-intellectuals-support-putin-criticize-us-nato-influence-in-europe-and-mainstream-media-propaganda/5378823
The polls that tell you that Germans are in favor of sanctions are false – they’re yet another lie contrived to convince people that Russia is the devil. We MUST NOT FALL FOR THIS – and Russians shouldn’t either.
Here’s my own humble contribution to explaining a part of the social dynamic driving the West to war: http://thejubilee.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/causes-of-wests-war-making/#more-415
Finally: here’s where the apex of this tiny cabal reveal themselves. This is related to the Yukos case. From a London Times article (2 Nov. 2003 – it is no longer available at the site):
“A SENIOR MEMBER of the Rothschild banking family has emerged as the key figure in the battle for control of Yukos, the Russian oil giant.
The Sunday Times can identify Lord (Jacob) Rothschild as the secret holder of the large stake in Yukos that was previously controlled by Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the oil company’s chairman.
Khodorkovsky, reputed to be Russia’s richest man, was last week arrested by Russian prosecutors on charges of fraud and tax evasion. His imprisonment has triggered a trustee agreement he put in place with Rothschild a few months ago.
Rothschild, 67, now controls the voting rights on a stake in Yukos worth almost £8 billion. This places him at the centre of a dispute with the Russian state. It is widely believed that the charges being brought against Khodorkovsky are a response to his political ambitions to succeed Vladimir Putin as Russia’s president.
Russian prosecutors tried to freeze a 44% stake in Yukos on Thursday. Their move highlighted the previously unknown arrangement that allowed voting rights to be transferred to an unnamed foreigner — Rothschild — should Khodorkovsky be unable to “act as a beneficiary” of the shares.”
Extend friendship and acceptance to the Germans, not judgment and condemnation. Don’t – even in the slightest way – add to conflict and misunderstanding. We must not – will not go to war this time.
Kulak,
Thanks for that.
By the way, do you think that Moscow is moving from merely reacting to actually having some moves of its own? One of my fears has been that the main decision in Moscow has been to postpone making a decision. Vladimir Suchan said some of that in this:
https://www.facebook.com/vladimir.suchan/posts/10152289355498388
Bravo!
I dunno,a very disturbing article by Egor Provirmin.
Maybe this should be addressed to the Anglo-zionist nations?
After all does anyone think that Germany has control of it’s
own destiny?
Does anyone really think that the anglo-ZIONIST elite are
really going to allow a truly Sovereign Germany when they
seem to hate a sovereign Russia so much?(I know that germany has a 1949 constitution, the Grundgesetz Basic Law,but did
they get to write it!are they happy with it!)
A true sovereignty that allows them to make deal’s as they
like and re-arm as they please?(you happy with that idea benny
yahoo?,vlad p?,France?UK?USA?)
Aren’t the one and half nuclear powers of France(confirmed nuclear independence)and Britain(gets it’s warheads serviced
by uncle sam and needs USA satellites for targeting)the more rightful targets of this article?Or Poland or the baltic states?
Not trying to cause trouble just confused
bazzr
“This is an appalling rant”
maybe you meant ‘appealing rant’ :)
if not then sir you should enlighten us as to why it is appalling.
i’m afraid you won’t and can’t and that makes you a fool.
I think merkel is cryptozionist. Zionists gain control of Banking followed by media followed by politicians.Then mass immigration of third world population while calling the host ‘racist’ The playbook in each country. Military intervention or coup for ‘human rights’ for those that do not agree.
I live in Germany and can tell you some stuff you obviously do not know:
– a big part of Germans simply hate Russians, especially in the former eastern Germany. They hate Russians for the former occupation and name them drunkards and savages. The western part sees them as competition and an enemy coming after Germany, due to decades of US-brainwashing.
– Germany is an occupied country. The puppet-government is completely subservient to the occupier, as is the whole media, judiciary (all lawyers are members of the british BAR-Association) etc.
– Germany is not sovereign, which was confirmed both by Merkel in an interview last year, as also by Schäuble, the finance minister and old, old part of the polit-mafia (he was in the government that unified Germany back then)
– the “small” normal people in germany (about 60-70%) have nothing to do with all of this and are not being asked about anything, nor do they have any say.
An asolutely excellent piece of writing. I couudn’t have put it better if I’d tried for a lifetime!
Re: comment by Ivan Lukic.
Hi Ivan, in nuclear war everyone loses. Have a look at this: http://www.nucleardarkness.org/web/whatisnucleardarkness/
It appears that correspondents are almost wholly reacting to the whats again.
Why not consider the whys?
Considering does not extend to publishing extrapolations.
Perhaps trying to appreciate doubt, patience and silence may aid.
http://www.nato.int/acad/fellow/99-01/kumbaro.pdf
NATO INTERNATIONAL LAW AND KOSOVO – FINAL REPORT.
Chapter One
The Development and Nature of the Right to Self Determination.
Please read and quote.
http://www.nato.int/acad/fellow/99-01/kumbaro.pdf
NATO INTERNATIONAL LAW AND KOSOVO
The nature and development of the right to self determination. Chapter One.
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Germans?
Well I am “German” as in I was born there.
I have many disagreements with this rant.
1. Not all people of one country are the same! Most Germans are cowards, liars (that is how you learn fighting when your country is occupied) and they could not care less about anybody – even the next German guy next to you. However there are some people that are different.
2. I do not like the authors stereotyping of people. If I would use this technique all Russians are: Drunk, rude and totally homophobic. This is NOT helpful and not the truth!
3. This is again a very poor picture that is been drawn and does not understand how “modern” Germans really tick: they just give a shit about anybody and they are totally xenophobe. This does not require the old concept of “Untermensch” – it is much, much worse. Its not just “dirty Arabs” or “drunk Russians” – it is me against everybody. Even in rural areas people are suspicious about people they do not know as in: the farmer next door. This does not need “foreigners from foreign countries” – everybody to them is a “foreigner”. If you go to bigger cities: people do not communicate, they ignore each other – and – and that is happening everywhere – prefer to chat with some unknown buddy over their iPhones.
4. In conclusion: Germans are – in a very bad way – the most developed people on this earth: they are little atoms that think they are not connected whatsoever. They are the most advanced people because the concept of competition has made it into every single person who lives by it (competition not as in being better – but as in being everybody is a potential enemy).
5. German culture does not exist anymore. The days of Brecht and others are long gone. “German culture” is a repeat of old music on TV in a trashy format. Just watch German TV and you’ll get it. This country is culturally dead beyond belief.
6. The ONLY time Germans “come together as a nation” is during the soccer world cup. That is why the politicians and others push soccer “to create national identity” 24/7 on all channels. During the world cup for two months there was no escape from this. No restaurant, no newspaper, no bar without it. It was worse then Hitlers time talking about how very present the propaganda = “soccer” was.
7. To most Germans Ukraine can kill as many Russians as they want – or vice versa. They can build concentration camps. Hey they can even arrest people on my street for no reason. Who cares? As long as it is not ME!
8. Sometimes you read Germans caring about others, but usually it’s just a pretext for something else or a political game.
9. Look at Gaza and Ukraine: In the case of Israel killing about 2000 people most Germans did not care. Only some went for little demonstrations often with many anti-Semitic slogans. In the case of the killings in southern Ukraine: nothing. Zilch. Nada! There are some discussions at political meeting places. That’s it. It is blabla w/o any consequences.
10. Germans – because of their history – always tend to cover their racism in public. So instead of going for “I hate all XXX” they would go for XXX: Stop killing innocent civilians! Looks much better!
11. In Germany over the past 70 years we had little change in the political landscape. One thing always remains the same: whatever you vote for will not make a dent. The outcome is always the same. Functions like a perfect dictatorship w/o a dictator.
12. It is difficult to describe Germany in a few lines. Think of it as an island with a huge, huge invisible wall. Inside were people (German) that never mixed with anybody – that was the past. Now we have it that they don’t even mix with each other anymore. For everybody trying to do something political and organize anything this is THE NIGHTMARE.
13. The media in Germany. It is interesting to notice that Germans still watch government TV like nobody else in Western Europe. They also watch their “entertainment”, which is just trash TV that often feeds of the misery of others. That is supposed to be funny. Schadenfreude. German newspapers were becoming more and more the same also due to the fact that they had to kick many reporters b/c of financial reasons. This means: they were just copying news services like Reuters. However – in the case of Ukraine that has changed – they come up with stories that are always: anti-Russian, anti-Putin.
14. Many Germans are unhappy w/ this campaign against Russia, but not because it is unjust or they care. They are unhappy b/c this could impact their little life’s and that is ALL they care about. Whoever gets hurt I give a damn, as long as it is not me!
15. Knowing full well that many people on this board are nationalists, some might be right wing – both that does not apply to me – I still strongly urge to re-think the concept of nations, national pride, religion and so on. Why? Because it sets us apart. We cannot get a better and peaceful life if we continue to distance each other thru those issues. What is important is that we find things we can work together – interests we all have in common – or the whole world will become like Germans are these days: lonely, cold people that could not care less and who seem to have had a lobotomy.
16. Last and not a topic on this post: you only get a better understanding what is going on at a world scale if you start to understand that capitalism is in a world crisis and what that does to us. That should be a topic but I think Saker is the wrong place for that right now.
K from Germany
This is entitled »Russian Appeal to Germany«. I feel this is a misnomer. It should be entitled »Rant on Germany by Egor Prosvirnin«. I wish it had not been published. It is unpresentable. It will not appeal (I know) to any German with a minimum of self-esteem. It’ll only appeal to utterly misguided anti-German fringe figures (Antifa teens and twens). I know because I’m German.
You are unfortunately right about the doglike subservience of the German government and German MSM to the USA. As for the German people, believe it or not, the prevailing attitude is that *Ukraine does not regard us at all.* *Ukraine is none of our business.* And this is despite constant Gov/MSM hammering it into our minds that we should take the part of the putsch government.
You are also right blaming people’s apathy and passiveness, and, yes, sheepishness. But this applies to every Western country I’ve had some experience with (Italy, France, UK, USA).
Please understand a couple points about the »Nazi« meme but also historical NS.
(1) As soon as you start the »Nazi« meme ordinary Germans will start ignoring you. Triggers disgust that, due to educational conditioning, is rarely voiced as such. People are sick and tired of it but somehow have learned that they are not allowed to say so, at least not publicly. Anti Nazi indoctrination starts in childhood and continues through MSM all your life.
(2) Very significant parts of the historiography on NS is lies and hoaxes. You mentioned the lampshades – a totally ridiculous one, invented by the Americans. I’m almost surprised you didn’t mention the soap – an equally ridiculous one, invented by the Soviets. There’s a lot more to it, but this is not the place to talk about it.
(3) NS *never* talked about »russische Untermenschen«. This kind of claim is only possible because when it’s about »Nazis«, people feel fact-checking is dispensable. After all, demanding proof would be tantamount to outing oneself as a »Nazi sympathizer«. (Have to add that there was a somewhat racist element to the NS propaganda against the Soviet Union, in which they showed images of Asian looking Siberian troops and matched that up with »bolshevism« and the history of Asian nomadic hordes invading Central Europe in past centuries. But I would say that the American racist anti-Japanese propaganda was much uglier than the German anti-Bolshevist propaganda.)
I could say more but I feel this is already stressing the limits.
By the way, and just to make sure: What I said is in no way the mainstream German statement.
Reading this blog and especially the comments, there’s an awful lot of »Nazi« name calling. I can see why people do that. Basically, there’s no defense against it. It’s what a vast majority of people in Eastern and Western societies will agree on. Such is the power of the term, such is the power of victorious propaganda.
Interestingly, the only term on this blog that seems to be on par with »Nazi« is … »Zionist«. Go think about it.
Given this Nazi/Zionist talk here, there is a curious little report back from the days, entitled »Ein Nazi fährt nach Palästina« (»A Nazi Travels to Palestine«). It is not representative but might teach you that history is not black and white.
Dear Saker
I am fed up of Russian humbliness.
If Russia cannot protect her interests in Novorosia with arms, she had better disarm as did Carthage.
I am giving up on Russia.
There is a very serious problem with this article from Egor Prosvirnin. He refers throughout to “the Germans” as if they all think alike and as if they collectively control their government. Neither things are true and a moments reflection should make that clear to all readers here.
There have been polls reported here on the front page and in the comments section which reveal up to 80% of the population do not agree with the propaganda lies and nonsense that the German Govt and the Jewish controlled press are pushing. Is Egor Prosvirnin totally unaware of this? Are we now totally unaware of this?
To lump all people together and make them all responsible for their govt’s actions simply because a particular ethnic background or that they live in an area with political boundaries is racism. Pure and simple. We’ve talked about it here many times and roundly condemned it
This article would make a whole lot more sense and be far closer to the truth if the author replaced “Germans” with “German government”.
If anyone wants to defend the use of “Germans”, (and I’m looking at you, Ann) are they prepared to be held responsible for their own governments actions? Because the same charge with the same logic could be levelled at citizens of the United States, Britain, the other ‘5Eyes’ countries and all the rest of the NATO countries.
If I wanted to inflame the situation and turn Germans away from sympathy for the Russians and ordinary Ukrainians by attacking them for things they had no say in, I would write an article phrased Exactly like this article has been.
I would be very interested in the reaction in the comments section to this article if it was translated and posted on the German VineyardSaker site.
Finally an article about Germany that makes sense! This is the only way possible to talk to them.
Anonymous, 14 August, 2014 03:16:
»This open letter is in effect a great propagandist piece for the German fascist freaks who can’t wait to exterminate some more Russians. When you come at them from a position of weakness, crying like a mewling child, they know they are kicking your ass, and they can smell the blood in the water.«
Instead of venting my anger at the lies in this trash item, I’ll make the following observation:
The American strategy for Europe is to prevent the emergence of autonomous unity. Key countries are Germany and Russia, then France, then Italy. UK is special (part of the Anglo block), and it is always sought to prevent European unity. Germany and Russia match ideally when considering the economy. Business with Russia is much better for Germany than business with the US. Yet, Germany is politically controlled by Anglo puppets, so integration hasn’t happened, which is sad. The American intent is to not only keep it that way, but give rise to new animosity. I’d ask you to review the anonymous trash item above in this ligth.
American Kulak,
You are absolutely right that Russia made numerous mistakes. For instance, it did not veto UN economic sanctions against Serbia in the early nineties. It practically joined US front against Serbia during Yelcin years. For that reason Serbian economy is now 35% of what it used to be in 1989! And for that reason it will be near impossible to make Serbian Government an honest ally of Russia in the future in spite of all efforts that are now being made. Russians understood what they can expect from the West only when the bombs started to fall on Serbia. (That was very stupid move because in that way West alarmed Russians just in time what the intentions are.)
But the big question is why are those mistakes being made? The reason is mentality of Slavic peoples. Unlike Westerners they are not paranoiac. Westerners always prepare in advance for invasions, robberies, etc. of other peoples. That requires paranoiac attitude and technology. It means that all citizens (civilians) accept some kind of militaristic attitude and requires mind to be poisoned with hatred which is destructive for the individuals as well as for the societies. Slavic peoples try to avoid that state of mind. They think that it is better to lose several millions of people when it becomes absolutely unavoidable than to always be poisoned with hatred. And I am inclined to think that this mentality is not because Slavic peoples are now Christians (Westerners are also nominally Christians) but because their archetype was formed in that way before they became Christians. Archetype is older than Christianity. But if Russians intend to survive they have to learn to be more like Westerners.
It is not Innocent Carbon Dioxide that causes Climate Change, but it is Guilty Deforestation which causes Climate Change.
It should be Obvious that Global Reforestation to the Correct Degree is Vital if Mankind is to Survive, and reducing NATO Military Spending by a Fraction is sufficient to Reforest the Planet to the Correct Degree, so that Mankind can Survive.
The American Republicans could say that Americans are either for or against their own Genocide, and the Genocide of the rest of the Planet, as a Campaign Issue for the midterm Elections.
There are in Fact 2 Causes of Climate Change, and they are Non Human Causes for Climate Change at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age , and the Human Causes of Climate Change, of which Deforestation is the Most Significant Cause; yet, it is Rarely Mentioned as the Major Contributor at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation .
Carbon Dioxide has been Maliciously Slandered, and Wikipedia says that there are 5 Greenhouse Gases, and they are water vapor, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and carbon dioxide at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas .
There is no way to stop Water Vapor or to stop Plants from Decomposing and creating Methane, and Many People do not want to be Vegans because Bacteria in the Soil and Farm Animals create Nitrous Oxide, and no one wants to have no Ozone Layer, and so this Only leaves Innocent Carbon Dioxide to Maliciously Slander in order to Build a Corrupt Business Model.
How do we know that some Islands are really not sinking into the Molten Globe, rather than that the Oceans are rising at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth , and at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/11/co2_greens_the_deserts/ .
I have no Proof that they are Human Nature Lying of this; however, we know the Track Records of those who have More Human Nature than the Average Person to put it Mildly and Diplomatically, and the Websites on this are at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/scientists-warn-sea-anemones-are-vulnerable-to-bleaching/4900230 , and at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_bleaching .
Scientists know what type of Chemicals could do this to Coral Reefs, and they can Genetically Modify Organisms 2 Varieties of like Algae, where one Variety of GMO Algae thrives in a cooling Planet, and another Variety of GMO Algae thrives in a heating Planet to bolster their False Claim that Carbon Dioxide is the cause of Climate Change, and they can Easily Lie about the Tropical Regions, and Scheme against the Tropics and Other Forest Regions because they have Vested Interests in Deforestation, and they are they the Experts in Every Type of Lie and Trickery.
The Only Climate the Planet needs is the Climate which would result because of Global Reforestation of the Planet to the Correct Degree, because this is Vital for Humans.
Regardless of what the Effect this has on the Climate of the Planet, then this is what the Earth’s Climate MUST BE, because the Human Race cannot survive on a Planet that is Entirely Deserts, as the information in the next sentence makes it Obvious and Irrefutable.
We all know that Dry Desert Soil will not put Moisture in the Atmosphere to Produce Clouds that Provide Rain for agriculture at https://www.google.com.au/search?q=sahara+desert&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HyVZUrToCJCtiQfn6oD4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1120&bih=639&dpr=1 , compared with the Video Titled: Getting Drinking Water From Plants – Survival at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avZtD4gkM84 .
A Carbon Tax is used by certain People to Launder Dirty Money because they Invest in Government Subsidized Solar Panels and Alternative Energy, that Always need to be backed up with Fossil Fuel Power Stations, and at http://www.greenfudge.org/2013/10/14/drop-dirty-palm-rant-part-2/ .
The First Priority is Produce Clouds to Produce Rain by Reforesting the Planet to the Correct Degree.
Reforestation is Vital for Earth’s Environment, and for Rain Security, which is Food Security, and it is Biodiversity Security.
This is certainly an inspired article.
@les re your 04:26 comment, the excerpt is found here in another recommended piece.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39391.htm
Germans are an arrogant people who think they are the smartest and most civilized. The only guilt they are taught to feel about WW2 is toward the Jews. They feel no guilt toward the Russians. They think that Russians are uncivilized, a developing country, brainwashed. Germans treat Russians like stupid children who need to learn a lesson or two even if takes a good spanking.
People who say that this article is too aggressive are wrong. WW2 is THE central event in German history and much of what is happening now is very reminiscent of what happened then. If Germans don’t stand up and protest then they are complicit in the crimes of their government. Ignorance doesn’t liberate oneself from guilt and punishment.
After WW2 the Germans forfeited their right to exist as an independent nation, but they were given a second chance. They blew it in the Yugoslav war, and their role in the Ukraine crisis is the final confirmation that the Germans didn’t make use of their 2nd chance.
The only mistake the author makes in the article is trying to argue with the Germans at all. The Germans don’t take Russians seriously, there can be no arguing with the Germans, they understand only authority and force. I also agree with some commentators that pointing out that Russians are the victim in this conflict is weakness and to compare Russians to Jews is a disgrace.
sputnikipogrom.com this site asks for money after 5 clicks to open pages… it should be mentioned somewhere
THERE WILL BE NO WAR!
We the people have decided for peace and there was RESET in Creation to support our collective consciousness.
This new composition of the Universe supports anyone who achieves balanced awareness, and destroys anyone who violates that, and put lessons for him/her to achieve the balance once again. In simple words, all those who have destructive inventions and thoughts will literally INSTANTLY experience the appropriate reactions to their actions and destroy themselves.
I take no sides: ONLY that what we experience in NOW is exactly what we REALLY wish, all the rest is pure mental masturbation. No excuses like “that are Jews, …, not Germans…”. In every co-creation there are lessons for both (all) sides.
The Creator’s will IS DONE here and we are traveling backwards in time to experience it so that everyone experience according to own decision!
Why not then decide to experience with
LOVE & JOY
I AM ILIJA
For those who haven’t seen the source.
Here is the German version:
http://sputnikipogrom.com/europe/germany/18208/russischer-appell/
And here is the Russian version:
http://sputnikipogrom.com/europe/germany/18215/dear-germans/
Russian peacekeeping troops are needed in Ferguson, MO and Los Angeles, CA.
Amerika 2014
Ingenious idea by an Ukrainian patriont (translated from Russian by Valentina Lisitsa)
https://twitter.com/ValLisitsa/status/499880178672476160
Grassroots patriotism Ukrainian style.
This is just a regular Ukrainian citizen (and a patriot) trying to help his government with creative ideas. I am afraid he can’t find CIA email address. Can anyone help him? [ post translated from Russian ]
We must get ahead of the game: prepare 5-10 heavy trucks, paint them white, stuff them with weapons – even with broken ones or taken from goat-faced [separatists], add captured “quilted coats” [winter coats worn by Soviet army in WWII – now used as an insult against Pro-Russian militia ], tie those separatists down well so they can’t escape. Drive the trucks during night in the direction opposite of Russian border and then blow them to pieces with mines and bombs. Then quickly report to entire world that “such and such, blown on terrorist mines, look what kind of “humanitarian aid” they brought. Show Russia as main enabler and sponsor of terrorism worldwide… And here we go – the strictest sanctions ever! As they say – attack your enemies with their own weapons. This must have been done long time ago. But one must think strategically. I suspect we have a problem with creative thinking in upper echelons, that’s why I am happy to share fresh ideas. Please bring it to the attention of your commanders as quickly as possible. Maybe you will get a raise. If you would like to hear more, don’t hesitate. I will try to help.
> This is a BAD piece. Hope that not many Germans read it.
Sputnik and Pogrom is a very controversial project.
Just like above: the genuine feeling were expressed with the words making it fall flat. And then any Russian would say “we cried our pain to Germans and they only laughed at us”
There were strong allegations this project is run by pro-West people who are very talented in mimicking patriotic zeal
The rant suffers from addressing a party that does not exist, on topics that are long since buried. Germany is not Germany, and hasn’t been for a long while. By extension, Europe isn’t Europe.
While Russia was comatose, the world changed. Russia has risen from its near-death experience to regain its Russian-ness, but its neighbours have moved, replaced by simulacra, war-bots and empty suits. Therein lies the crux of the matter.
A 5 part 2007 article by “Axel Brot” (pseudonym for a German defence & intelligence analyst) at Asia Times lays out what happened to Germany in particular, and Europe generally.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/IH08Aa01.html
The article is long, but Axel weaves an entertaining read. One can hardly grasp any of the trends in play today without coming to understand how we got here.
A must read.
Erebus
Not really an appeal.
I think a more sensible appeal would simply be for Germans to support the relief effort.
Once it is acknowledged that a relief effort is needed for what the Ukrainians are doing on land they claim is theirs, a lot becomes clearer.
Wow, Saker, you really struck a nerve here. And I have to say, the objections to this piece are really quite fascinating. People are protective of Germans, worried about the effects on their Nazi population, calling this a rant (!) and asking God to please help Russia bc she’s apparently so lost, calling Germans and Russians a slave population… — oh, and Zionist-dominated. Well, I’ll be darned, maybe that’s the clue to at least some of this? Kind of funny, really: hasbarat defending Germany… ;~)
Ann,
Carmel by the Sea’s poem was Retribution, by Longfellow. Kind of says it all, doesn’t it?
Am. Kulak,
I like your initials. Thanks for the article.
Unlike that American, I sold my AK, SKS and ammo to one of his brethren, used the money for business venture.
Strangely, the alienation from US government rampant in the country has ignited the right to embrace neo-con big government/MIC ideology again. Rush and Breitbart and most of the alienated patriots run pell-mell toward the tyranny when Putin and Russia are mentioned. They do the same with China (ChicComs is back in the lingo.)
Sad. Ignorance is a heavy and wide vein in generation after generation. They were the same in the 80’s with Central America and the Reagan regime.
All the while, the Tyranny separates and dices up the demos. They are good at pitting groups against one another. Vertically by income and horizontally by beliefs, race, gender and age.
This volunteer Armed Forces gleefully marches wherever the Elite want them to go kill and die.
And joystick weapons make it easy to eradicate anyone in the infrared image streamed back to the control room.
Soon it will be Main Street where the Hellfires strike.
I’m German and I can see how Russians would expect “the Germans” to support Russia against the current Nazi aggression, given that the last one under Hitler was such a disaster for all involved. However, I think what Egor and others need to understand is that Germany’s government and mass media do not represent the German people. I guess you could say there are three kinds of Germans:
1. The whores and liars in the mainstream media, and our government that does not look out for the best interests of the German people (or the Russian people, or even the American people). Whether their real masters are international banks, corporate America, or the NWO, who knows. But they are definitely not on our side, and by that I mean not only the regular Germans but also Russians, Americans, etc.
2. The ones that use their own head and opt out of the propaganda. They are disgusted to see how the corrupt German government supports Nazi mass murder in the Ukraine, and by the anti-Putin rhetoric in propaganda rags like Der Spiegel (thankfully, Der Spiegel et al are losing readers left and right, so that’s a good development at least).
3. The ones that can’t or won’t think for themselves, i.e., the sheeple. This is the largest of the three groups, but it is my impression that more and more sheeple are waking up to the amount of lies they’ve been fed.
Russians should count themselves lucky their government works for them, not for shady war-mongering internationalists. Or nationalists in the case of the Ukraine, but it’s an open secret the Ukrainian Nazi government is being financed by the U.S., which is controlled by…..?
Anyway, my point is that the proverbial 99% of Germans have much more in common with the 99% of Russians than we do with the people that run Germany. Same goes for all other nations, even Israelis and Palestinians.
“It turns out, however, that the Ukrainian government can without any liability prohibit the Russian language, jail Russian activists, target residential neighborhoods with volleys of artillery, kill thousands of civilians who happen to be mostly Russian – and that’s OK. It is OK because it’s a “democracy”, and it suits Germany because Russians are “Untermensch”, because Russians are Jews whose blood for Germans is worth nothing.”
“It would then follow that killing these Russian “Untermensch”, crafting lampshades out of their skin for daring to resist, and sending this nicely packaged to Washington to please your American ally.”
These several sentences blunt the appeal for moral stand of Germany on Ukrainian turmoil and its atrocities and I have a sneaking suspicion that they were crafted by a Jew.
There are more Jews in key positions involved on the side of Kiev government than on the “other” side and “crafting lampshades out of their skin” was long ago proven as the Jewish canard after WW2.
NASTY VERY NASTY HATEFUL CONTENT
Very regrettable you published this.
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“the entire German society leaped up like a submissive dog running obediently to its American master…. is reaching out to the Germans, the Germans will spit in your extended hand at the first opportunity”
My uncle was 16 and died defending Berlin from The Russians.
After the war it is said that up to 70% of Berlin women were raped either by Russians or American soldiers.
But the past is the past. Many Germans are people and completely helpless to influence what is happening on big political scale & elitist levels.
How can you generalize like this with such a clear hateful piece against all Germans.
I for one am actively supporting Crimea, donating time, effort & money to raise the crimes against DONBASS. I stand in front of the Brandenburger Tor /Gate waving a Russian flag. I promote investment into Crimea and then I read this.
Whoever wrote this? I wonder if you are sitting in Kiev or West Virginia finding ways to try and make Russians & Germans hate each other so you can save your own skin or military Industrial US Police state.
Thanks for that piece of nasty propaganda but Im not falling for it.
Guten Tag Gewunscht / Wishing you a good day & friendly & heartfelt greetings to the Donbass Militia but most of all praying for those Eastern Ukrainian civillians.
Signed: One of those Evil Germans
you described (NOT)