G7 Joint Communique – yet another exercise in make-believe
I won’t divulge into the full text (which you can read @ https://www.whitehouse.gov/
Finding a Solution to the Conflict in Ukraine
We reiterate our condemnation of the illegal annexation of the Crimean peninsula by the Russian Federation and reaffirm our policy of its non-recognition.
We reiterate our full support for the efforts to find a diplomatic solution to the conflict in eastern Ukraine, particularly in the framework of the Normandy format and the Trilateral Contact Group. We welcome the OSCE’s key role in finding a peaceful solution. We call on all sides to fully implement the Minsk agreements including the Package of Measures for their implementation signed on 12 February 2015 in Minsk, through the established Trilateral Contact Group and the four working groups. We are concerned by the recent increase in fighting along the line of contact; we renew our call to all sides to fully respect and implement the ceasefire and withdraw heavy weapons. We recall that the duration of sanctions should be clearly linked to Russia’s complete implementation of the Minsk agreements and respect for Ukraine’s sovereignty. They can be rolled back when Russia meets these commitments. However, we also stand ready to take further restrictive measures in order to increase cost on Russia should its actions so require. We expect Russia to stop trans-border support of separatist forces and to use its considerable influence over the separatists to meet their Minsk commitments in full.
We commend and support the steps the Ukrainian government is taking to implement comprehensive structural reforms and urge the Ukrainian leadership to decisively continue the necessary fundamental transformation in line with IMF and EU commitments. We reaffirm our commitment to working together with the international financial institutions and other partners to provide financial and technical support as Ukraine moves forward with its transformation. We ask the G7 Ambassadors in Kiev to establish a Ukraine support group. Its task will be to advance Ukraine´s economic reform process through coordinated advice and assistance.
It is pretty evident to me that this statement is self-contradictory. Consider this:
1) The Novorussians have done everything which M2A demanded of them. Not only have they fully withdrawn all their heavy weapons, they have even drafted a proposal for local elections and sent it to the junta in Kiev.
2) The Ukronazis have violated all the provisions of M2A including the very first one: withdrawing their heavy weapons.
3) Russia is not even a party to the conflict but in spite of that she has been arguing for the full implantation of M2A (if only because they are so favorable to Novorussia and Russia)
4) In contrast, the Ukronazi junta in Kiev has not stooped its bellicose rhetoric even for a single day.
5) The sanctions on Russia have totally failed: they failed to meaningfully affect the Russian economy and they have only solidified the support of the Russian population for Vladimir Putin.
And yet, in spite of these undeniable acts, all the leaders of the G7 agreed to that ridiculous communique. What does this show?
I think that they are truly out of touch with reality and this joint communique sounds more like an incantation, a mantra, than like a workable plan with some chance of achieving a real-world result.
I have said it many times here, Russians don’t believe in threats. In the Russian culture, if you are strong, you never make threats (because you don’t have to), and if you are making threats – that is because you are weak. Now imagine how the Russians will react to half-baked and vapid threats like “we stand ready to…”. They will laugh and shake their heads in disgust and total contempt.
This is, by the way, something I hear a lot of Russian political figures saying: that the intellectually quality of American officials has fallen dramatically, In the past, the Russians did not often like US officials, but they never had contempt for them either. Now this is the single most frequent comment I hear – the disgust with the total lack of professionalism of the US officials. As for the EU, the Russians now see it as a voiceless colony of the USA not even capable of formulating an independent opinion or stand up for its national interests.
The sad – and scary – reality is that Russia has nobody to speak to any more. Literally. Not a single western leader is worth even speaking to. They are either deluded, or clueless, or spineless. Usually all of the above. Think about it yourself: if you were Lavrov or Putin – whom would you chose to talk to in the West?
Exactly. There is *nobody* left at all worth talking to. Nobody.
If it wasn’t for the availability of nuclear weapons in the USA, UK and France – this would all be very funny. Alas, these non-entities can still probably muster the brainpower to press the button, and this is why Russia has to be so careful. The normal theory of deterrence always assumes a “rational actor”. But what do you do when the other side has basically “gone fishing” and is it not capable of discerning reality anymore?
The Saker
A picture… a thousand words…
Obombi ahead, a German poodle by his side [sorry Sheppard] and the lower ranking ‘pack’ members, right there, where they know they belong…
How utterly nauseating.
You’re Right Daniel, some of these pompous front people are enough to make you hurl (like that open manwhore, Tusk of Poland.
But I don’t think G-7 means anything. It’s even a waste of time to pay any attention or significance to it. Nothing of significance emerges out of the G-7. The EU is lead by the same kind of totalitarian mentality as any Nulandesque phreak in the State Dept. The EU big 3 are willing accomplices with State Dept Nulands, they are not unwilling vassals.
“The President of Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, is focused on working under more effective formats, than G7, reflecting the real balance of power in the global economy. It is impossible to address global problems with just seven or eight parties”, – stated Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov. – BINGO.
Heh heh, what a nice nickname for the Polish idiot.
A bunch of losers are they. Desperate.
Let us wish them the destiny of Qaddafi.
What happened to Qaddafi was horrific. The worst brutal mob lynch scene I’ve ever seen. That murder was totally inhumane and beyond Un- Christian. In fact, when Putin spoke about it you could clearly see in his eyes and his words how utterly repulsed he was by such barbarity.
Having said that, Putin, Lavrov and most Russians are the type of Christians whose heart are pleasing to the Eyes of God and would never wish that on any human being , no matter how evil ( and they sure are evil! ) these Western leaders/politicians are.
Carmel by the Sea
Carmel, the barbarity of Gaddafi’s murder was evidence of the presence of US Special Forces, who are butchers of the same ilk as Daash. And Clinton’s little ditty, ‘We came, we saw, he died’ is just normal behaviour for Imperial psychopaths.
Actually, this prisoner of war was murdered probably by the Frogeaters’ secret service:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210759/Gaddafi-killed-French-secret-serviceman-orders-Nicolas-Sarkozy-sources-claim.html
Yeah, that’s Donald alright, the successor of Jaroslaw Kaczynski (which means “duck”). And let’s not forget that Mrs Merkel is his mentor. She’s is of Polish origin (her father’s dad) and she pushed ol’ Donald up there. And she likes to take a deep breath whenever BO farts and she happens to be around. She already did that when GWB was president.
Sorry, Birgit, Tusk is not the “successor” (meaning “a follower”)
to/of Jaroslaw Kaczynski (how terribly interesting what this name means… why don’t you stick to “potato”?), but his murderer, personally involved in setting up the Smolensk mass murder of 10-4-10, and thus 1000% blackmailable by anyone, e.g. “Merkel”, and therefore, as a useful idiot without any danger of ever saying or doing anything himself, exactly what she wants from führers of other countries.
Sorry, Birgit, “Merkel” is VERY probably not Polish, only her espionage mentor sent east from the english espionage bridge head of Hamburg and the english manipulation center of the “EKD”, “Kasner”. It is much more probable that “Merkel” stems from a mighty european dynasty, the Rottchild-Shicklgrubers, and even from its most famous member, a certain Adolf, who on 1945-4-29 preferred not to die the heldentod, but to take the last plane from Berlin, then a cozy uboat to Argentina, where he arrived 1945-7-29. I witnessed a ceremony which the “jubilee”-mad Angela Rottchild-Shicklgruber performed in the morning on the 65th jubilee of this glorious-for-the-survival-of-nazism day in Berlin, so it is obvious she is informed of her bloody bloodline and the details of her family history. The whole free west, through its usual mouthpiece England, declared her “Queen of Europe” on her 60th birthday because of her aw so noble origin, and because everybody else, except you, poor Birgit, is in the know of all that, too. Her father “just had to” concoct a world war, that was his reason for existing on earth, and this brainless droplet of his, “Merkel” “must” make one, too – it’s a family tradition.
Jarosław Kaczyński, Prime Minister of Poland, 14 July 2006 to 16 November 2007, was succeeded by Donald Tusk
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/roasted-court-says-kaczynski-can-be-called-a-duck-a-588306.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/all-in-the-family-poles-pleased-to-learn-of-polish-heritage-of-angela-merkel-a-889207.html
The “Rottchild-Shiklgrubers”, wow that’s a gem! The whole comment though is brilliant. Even with this tough competition it may be the sakerest comment of the Saker-sphere!
The photo of the leaders and the pack is cropped. Cameron of the UK is up there with Bomber and Merky. Just sayin’.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG5vnqxUYAATtTa.jpg:large
Meanwhile please enjoy the “G7 in Gifs: The silliest 2015 Summit slideshow you’ll see.”
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/photos/g7-in-gifs-the-silliest-2015-summit-slideshow-you-ll-see-1432888960-slideshow/tumblr-obama-photo-1432803636673.html
There are no Western leaders worth spit, agreed. So, totally marginalize them.
Russia needs to change up the process.
You speak to the rest of the world. You speak to Western retired leaders who listen. Let them speak to the the Hegemon.
You keep clarifying your position that Ukraine is a failed state run by a putsch junta that is murdering its own citizens, and that you are preparing war crimes trials when the mess is over.
You supply more weapons so the militia can destroy the artillery the Ukies keep using.
You let all the “stakeholders” know that Ukraine will never be allowed to be a platform for NATO.
You mobilize the nation to move reforms faster, rid yourself of everything Liberal in the government. Set reasonable timetables and milestones.
You take the Rada’s empowerment to use troops anywhere you need to.
And you do it all ending with a smile. You invite people to come visit Russia for the summer.
Russia should also find some more women as spokespersons. Soft power, promotion, PR, would help take the edge off the West’s popular perception that Russia is bad, evil, dark, dangerous.
RedRyder-Just as head of prosecutor of CRIMEA- smart & beautiful lady….
Poklonskaya for President.
It was reported that President Putin and former Canadian Prime Minister, Jean Chrétien, recently had a pleasant meeting in Moscow. Jean Chrétien once suggested that, like William Ewart Gladstone, he might return as Prime Minister in his eighties. Gladstone entered his final term of office at the age of 83. Chrétien is now 81. Harper looks like a loser in the upcoming Canadian election. If he is followed by a weak coalition government, Russia might not have to wait too long for a Canadian government headed by Jean Chrétien with which they could usefully talk.
I won’t hold my breathe on that.As I recall Chrétien had health problems in the past.At 81 I don’t see those health problems as having gotten better. If “Bandera Harper” is kicked out, Canada needs to find (somewhere) someone to replace him that cares about Canada’s survival.
Harper, I regretably suspect, will be safe. He only won 31% of the vote last time, and his Jewish owners will spend billions to see their most craven boot-licker stay in power.
Elizabeth May is the best hopeful…not this election but next….Green Party…She’s alot better than any of them…she’s incorruptible…
Incorruptible, eh!
After introducing into Parliament a petition calling for an independent investigation of 9/11 she made it quite clear that she “doesn’t support the Truther movement in any way.”
LOL
Chretien’s visit was interesting as the current Canadian government as well as most of the mainstream media in Canada have been so bellicose over Ukraine and in portraying Putin as some sort of demon. Chretien may have travelled to Russia as a sort of emissary representing sections of Canada’s elite who are both not on board with the harsh rhetoric and anticipating the defeat of the Harper government this Fall.
Chretien was Prime Minister on 9/11, and the Canadian response was curious in that nothing officially was said for a couple of days (other than condolences for the loss of life). As co-member of NORAD, Canada would have witnessed the sequence of hijackings, concurrent military exercises, and the hour-long stand-down of the US air force -that is, the real story of what happened would have been known to top Canadian officials. The muted reaction was telling. On his retirement, Chretien joked that he was heading to his lakeside cabin, to sit on the porch and smoke some marijuana, and ponder the state of the world.
These all sound like good ideas.
Create a new framework for communication and thus a new frame of the issues.
Just ignore the elite-idiotocracy of the USA and EU. They do not have command of the requisite repetoire of ideas and basic concepts. All They understand is raw power. Their own. It is NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) on a national scale.
Go around them behind, them, over their heads.
Take the message about the mendacity-laden present and the better future to the people. The people of the rest of the world, and their spiritual and cultural (including education) leaders.
Also, big emphasis on cultural exchange. Offer free Russian courses, in Russia, with home stays in Russian families or communities, for promising young writers, journalists, TV producers, etc. from all over the world.
And maybe not just young. Maybe for bloggers/truth seekers of all ages. Reach out proactively to create a worldwide community that sees and understands the other side of the coin.
Katherine
Red Ryder and you make Russia a just, fair, egalitarian and compassionate society in contrast to the inequality and vicious exclusion and social sadism of the West. And you expel the BBC and other Western hate-mongers spreading vicious lies from your own soil.
There’s no one to reason with, the western leadership does not control their own destinies. The west suffers collectively from NeoCon insanity, it’s a fever that will run its course, with all the suffering that history has demonstrated.
Putin/Lavrov: stay the course. Make your global arrangements and sharpen your swords.
The Masada moment is not far away.
T1, forty years of Rightwing dominance throughout the West, where all but those unquestioningly devoted to neo-liberal economics (ie rule by the rich for the rich and austerity for the proles)neo-conservative geo-politics (the eternal Exceptionalist Empire of global Full Spectrum Dominance)and to the driving force behind both, Israel and the Jewish elite (most of Jewry don’t get a say other than as loyal foot-soldiers and growing numbers of dissidents) have been purged from public life, has just left the scum. Those who ‘go along to get along’, ‘lick up and kick down’ and know all the moronic slogans. As I contemplate Western ‘elites’ all I see are evil imbeciles. The sanctions are pure gold-they drive Russia away from a rotten and crumbling Western system. The world is now, more than ever, elsewhere.
+++fishing
re: Destabilization of surrounding states: Russia Insider analysis . Saker’s article on Transniestria referenced:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/natos-black-sea-bloc-gets-busy-i/ri7754
This term “incantation, this mantra” you say is this watery drivelous gruelspew G-7 public communique could also be used to describe perfectly the meaningless meandering issued repeatedly by rote & on cue by Mean Mr. Mumbles everytime he gets trotted out from behind the curtain to talk about “our partners”!
He really does mean that.
Everyone of them is fully onboard & a certified board member of the Teeeeam.
Exactly as that boardroom scene from The Untouchables with DeNiro as Capone, explaining the consequences of not batting as a team player.
I finally saw an astoundingly simple proof observation on some site somewhere today in my board meanderings deduced by that poster that tells any observer with a paygrade above village idiot how to tell which side anyone of these preening posturing poseur acteurs is on–just look to see if they have any relatives, siblings, or close kin openly residing in any capacity (job, student, sabbatical,retirements…) in any of the very countries that claim to be at extreme odds bordering on war with.
Yes, they’re really in danger & harm’s way, aren’t they!
This excludes 1/3 of them right away with even a minimum of research.
You said:
“I finally saw an astoundingly simple proof observation on some site somewhere today in my board meanderings deduced by that poster that tells any observer with a paygrade above village idiot how to tell which side anyone of these preening posturing poseur acteurs is on–just look to see if they have any relatives, siblings, or close kin openly residing in any capacity (job, student, sabbatical,retirements…) in any of the very countries that claim to be at extreme odds bordering on war with.
Yes, they’re really in danger & harm’s way, aren’t they!”
Sorry, I am not following this. Can you give a concrete example of what you mean?
Katherine
OT, but goes to part of the problem:
The Russian banking system has been hijacked by the Fed
Last summer, when the active phase of the ATO began in Ukraine (the “anti-terrorist operation”) against the separatists of the South-East of the country, the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine has decided to provide financial assistance to the “defenders of the Fatherland.” A so-called Military loan for replenishment of the military budget of Ukraine was issued. The leading banks of the country were involved in the placement and purchase of the bonds, including the Ukrainian subsidiaries of Russian Sberbank and VTB. So Mr. Gref can be proud that he has contributed to the “fight against terrorism”, and shells bought with Sberbank money have claimed many lives on the territory of DPR and LPR.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-russian-banking-system-has-been.html
There’s another story floating around that Poroshenko transferes his ownership of Roshen to the Rothchilds. Quite the Khordokovsky moment, no?
This is the crux of the matter.
Most of the world’s currencies are a derivative of the USD. This is a subtle, but insidious power. Out of sight for most observers, it literally permeates everything everywhere. Every transaction, from the street markets of the developing world to the Shanghai stock exchange depends on the local currency’s connection to the dollar to transfer “value” (I use the word loosely). In Russia, this dependency is enshrined in the Constitution, which makes Russia extraordinarily vulnerable.
The only major currency that explicitly attempted to crack this connection was the EUR. Initially, it saw rather spectacular success but the time bombs that Wall Street placed under it during its gestation were already ticking. A decade later, Goldman-Sachs alumni fill the most critical positions, and the EUR is just another derivative. With the take-over of its financial structure, Europe’s politics had no choice but to follow. The de Villepins and Schroeders were silenced in the rise of the Yes-Men. Others, like the Iraqi and Libyan Dinars were simply bombed into irrelevance, or like the Iranian Rial were isolated. The N. Korean Won would be bombed, except that would be unacceptable to China and hence it is allowed to limp along in isolation, as a purely domestic currency.
We can scoff at the bloated, ham-handed, destructive USM, but the USD is the “air” that the world’s economic activity breathes.
Replacing it is an extremely high risk game. If/when the dollar collapses, the world’s economy would necessarily go through a period of holding its breath until replacement trade structures could be established and currencies put into circulation. The political reality is that those structures may never be replaced if the world’s financial system collapsed.
What we’re seeing now with the BRICS Bank, the AIIB, China’s Gold Fund, Currency Swaps, etc is a stockpile of scuba tanks being prepared to supply world trade with the air it needs over the transition period. Otherwise, it will all, repeat all, grind to a halt with decades needed to re-establish the financial and logistical mechanisms that allow it to move at today’s pace.
The power that comes from Western control of the world’s finances is why the Western system is able to tolerate sophomoric frat-boys at the helm. In the same way the Roman Imperial bureaucracy carried on with Caligula’s horse in the Senate, the West’s power simply doesn’t rest on their shoulders. Rome’s Imperial bureaucrats ran the system, and as long as the system had no credible competition, the world looked past the nutcases in Rome.
They’re cartoon characters, 2-dimensional cutouts, and don’t matter at all. They have no more understanding of how they got to their positions and how fragile their perch is than the attractive young lady on TV selling shampoo knows its manufacturing process and the toxicity of the chemicals used. Like Caligula’s horse, they are a cipher for how hollow the West’s power structures are.
you said “MODERATOR: I tried to post this but got the “You’re posting too quickly. Slow Down” message.” That message means the database is too busy; the “too quickly” is everyone combined, not you personally. If you try to submit the same message twice, it will say “looks like you already posted this” or something similar.
The creation of the Euro was a terrible idea. When a nation cedes the right to create currency to a foreign entity all rational control is lost, with all the inevitable consequences. The finacial European Union has shown itself to be every bit as cancerous as the Fed and for good reason: they are one and the same. This became abundantly clear when Bernanke ‘testified’ before Congress.
The global withdrawal from the dollar (and Euro) can be compared to pulling a delicate cloth from a thorny bush – done quickly it will be ripped to pieces.
There is no necessity to replace the current structures with something equivalent (if I understand you correctly). Rather, allow each nation to use its’ own currency for internal transactions with gold or some agreed upon commodities for balance of payments.
The collapse of the USSR can provide some insights as how to carry on while the situation stabilizes, and post Wiemar Germany can illustrate barter on a global scale.
Nations can pretty much return to trading practices of previous centuries, hopefully without the colonizational aspects.
“The creation of the Euro was a terrible idea.”
No, it was absolutely necessary in order to detach from the dollar and of course to create bigger leverage then any individual country had.
The way it was implemented was terrible though and of course Goldman-Sucks and co. made sure it will have all the problems we now witness.
The idea was great, the implementation was miserable and the results got corrupted by the anglo fifth column.
The Euro project had a very long gestation period. If you read the original thoughts of the “Fathers of the Euro”, written through the ’50s to ’80s, it’s rather obvious that they wished to sidestep both the “tyranny of the dollar” (which was enslaving Europe) and Triffen’s Dilemma (which they knew meant the USD would one day collapse with catastrophic consequences). The currency system they came up with accomplished both.
It was precisely designed to avoid returning to the “trading practices of previous centuries” because that meant a return to the economic levels of previous centuries. Not a happy prospect for most people.
Thus, the designers focused on the idea that the new currency would cut its ties to the politics of any particular state, and to any external value (eg: Gold). “The value is in the currency itself”. That is, the value of the currency would lie in its utility and not on any other factor. Indeed, we see that the European Central Bank’s only mandate is Price Stability. It has no other mandate but to maintain the value of the currency in goods and services. In practice, that means an inflation rate of “close to, but not exceeding 2%”, to provide a buffer against a far more dangerous tip into deflation.
Unfortunately, this perfect, but rather theoretical construct went awry after a half decade of roaring success. The Empire was not amused. Wall Street and the City of London saw the threat and moved, placing key men in key positions through the Euro’s financial structures, while lobbying heavily in the EU’s political structures. The Empire won, the EUR is admittedly a mess and in danger of flying apart while Europe’s politicians genuflect towards Washington.
Erebus, you said, “It was precisely designed to avoid returning to the “trading practices of previous centuries” because that meant a return to the economic levels of previous centuries.”
You aren’t saying that having sovereign currencies would mean a return to lower economic development are you? I haven’t read anyone who thinks that. Perhaps you meant something else?
I did mean something a little different when I quoted that phrase from T1 (above).
No, I didn’t mean that the “sovereignty” of a currency affects trade.
Rather:
[a] that a multiplicity of currencies, sovereign or otherwise, complicates and increases the exchange risks and costs of international trade. Traders hate complications, uncertainty and costs, and an “internationally recognized” intermediary currency removes much of that problem.
[b] the “trading practices of previous centuries” did include widespread use of internationally recognized reserve currencies (starting with the Byzantine Solidus around 320AD). They all suffered from one fatal flaw. Notwithstanding that they were backed by gold, they all failed because they were tied to the imperial fortunes and currency management of an issuing nation / empire. When a widely used reserve currency fell, a period of uncertainty ensued which often included a collapse in international trade. To the extent that they contained actual gold (like the Solidus and other coin) they were, literally, a burden and subject to piracy, brigandage, and mishap.
The EUR is (supposed to be) managed independently of any political considerations to Maintain Price Stability. If the ECB was able to do this, the EUR would be ideal for international trade. It did for a while, and the EUR’s share of international reserves gained dramatically in the decade after its introduction. Since then, it’s been dropping as the world’s Central Banks took notice that the ECB started making decisions based on financial and political expediency.
Parenthetically, our “Austrian School” Troll, as well as T1 below, would probably be surprised to learn that there was a pure fiat currency that lasted even longer than the Solidus’ 650 years. Not only did it last longer, it had to be killed by decree because it looked like it wouldn’t die. It wouldn’t die because it had a perfect management system. The same management system that had been in use since paleolithic times. That currency was the English version of the Split Tally Stick
Money is too interesting to be left to accountants and economists!
Well, I have no idea why that link doesn’t work, but here is the actual URL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tally_stick
I have nothing against fiat currency, per se.
As to uncertainty in trade, if a nation shows that it can maintain stable values of it’s currency, this becomes a minor issue.
Given the world has light speed communications and vast computational power, using various currencies poses no great difficulty. The rising popularity of ‘bitcoin’ flavors is an example.
Erebus,
Thanks for the response. I’m not sure that it’s Austrian School to want to return to national economic sovereignty thru each nation issuing their own currency.
I think Austrian has many pernicious aspects of “pure” laissez faire. National currencies, nationally controlled, have the virtue of having at least the possibility of being responsive to the needs of the population. I have severe reservations about the idea that appropriate monetary policies for a group of nations can be set by a centralized entity.
I’m especially taken w the North Dakota model of banking. It’s been phenomenally successful altho even it isn’t fully sovereign. I find Ellen Brown’s and Michael Hudson’s writings persuasive– and Modern Monetary Theory generally.
I’m not sure exactly what the points of difference are between the Euro experience (in its earlier successful incarnation) and MMT.
Yes, the tally sticks were interesting. I imagine that you too have read that big fat book “Debt” by David Graeber.
I suppose one of the reasons I am so set against unnecessarily centralized banking is that it is precisely centralization thru the IMF control of central banks that has permitted the present unjust system.
I’m open to learning more about the “early Euro” though.
Regards
PS I don’t much care whether currency is pure fiat or not– as long as its not 100% metal-backed, cuz that makes for an inelastic currency that must have difficulty creating investment credits.
No, I never did read Graeber’s book after I saw him a few years ago in an interview. He turned me off completely. He talked little about his anthropological work in favor of his political theory / agenda based on a “good guys vs bad guys” narrative that struck me as naive. The 2nd half of his magnum opus is apparently devoted to that narrative, so I skipped it.
His anthropological work is apparently outstanding so one wishes he’d stick to his knittin’. From what I’ve gleaned from other sources, it documents exhaustively what one can intuit from some reading of cross-cultural history and personal experience.
As for 100% gold backed currency, I agree that its inelastic nature makes it anathema for a modern mixed economy. There are better ways to manage a currency without nailing its shoes to the floor.
My crystal ball says the future will be a matrix of currency swaps, and currency blocks running different monetary – political schemas. It also says that gold will have a role in that system, but I very much doubt that it will serve as hard backing for a currency (except perhaps in some very unstable, local circumstances). I think gold is best used as a bond, or guarantee of prudent management between Central Banks or between Currency Blocks. IOW, gold will be used to “back” a currency swap without backing either currency. That seems to me to be the best of both worlds. I think the mechanism for that is what China is setting up with its Silk Rd gold fund.
I’ve long found the subject of money fascinating. I remember, as the 2008 crisis unfolded, being stunned to hear from an Economics major friend that he had learned very little about the nature of money, never mind monetary history or theory during his studies. I guess that’s why almost all Economists “didn’t see it coming” whereas we hobbyists saw it a mile off. In their defense, we couldn’t imagine how they could possibly kick the can down the road for 7-8 yrs without it imploding.
If you put money into one big pile it’s an easier target for theives.
That the Euro became a morass was predictable, removing money from anything of fungible value (gold, silver) invites disaster -too much temptation to print you way out of un realizable promises.
The way the Fed was promoted made sense to some people (mostly the bankers) too.
I dont have any panacea to offer, putting banker thieves in jail is a good start. Iceland is making a reasonable model. ‘Odious debt’ should become politician’s mantra.
The world has been dwelling in a septic tank for so long that the smell is normal. If Greece can break out and get into the BRICS orbit then Portugal, Spain and the rest will follow. As is stands, European States have lost their identities, I know that Spain never wanted to emulate Germany (rather – they expected Germany to fund Spanish projects).
F*ck the EU .
Not, you are wrong on this one.
The € is the best thing that the EU has brought to us. Actually… nowadays it is probably the only reason why I would still vote for staying in the EU.
And you got it all wrong with the currency.
You live under the delusion that you would otherwise be “in control” of the currency if you did not cede it… Not, you would not; the international financial market speculators would be still in control of it.
Without the €, we would be worse-off (which the Scandinavians found out during the recent financial and economic crisis).
The € was (and still largely is) a wonderful project. It was also designed as a protection of ordinary citizens from their (malevolent) governments. As you can see now, the EU governments with their crazy policies rarely represent own people.
The € was designed as and independent currency, free from political intervention.
However, as recent developments have shown, the ECB no longer acts as an independent maintainer of the common currency, but rather as a servant of the crazy EU power-lusters.
The € is not the problem; the problem is the spineless people at the helm.
I always find it absurd to talk of banks controlling governments.They do that because they are “allowed” to do that.In the real world,in a world of war and revolution. Governments if they wanted to, control banks.In a war or revolutionary situation to have control of your financial system is life or death for a country.Laws for “normal” times, do not apply in abnormal times.In a life and death struggle there is no such thing as “law”,you win or you die.It shocks and saddens me to even have to explain that.One of the stupidest moves of the early Donbass revolt was to leave the Ukrainian local authorities, and the banks under junta control untouched in Donbass. All the while the revolution proceeded around them.One of the first moves should have been to seize total power in the Oblasts.And to seize every bank in the Oblasts,complete with any cash reserves found there.For all their many faults,at least the Bolsheviks knew to do that during the Russian Revolution.As well as the Americans and French during those revolutions.
Russia is in this situation with their banks because they allow themselves to be in that situation.Months ago the government should have intervened those banks to clean out the rot and bring total Russian control to them.That they didn’t is an inexcusable error.That they don’t today is another one. When you have almost a 90% approval rating,control the military and police,have the majority in the Duma.And most of the press supports you.Yet still you won’t act,then there is a serious problem.But again,why must we even mention these things,its so obvious its pathetic that nothing is done to correct it. So note to potential revolutionaries.If you revolt against evil regimes. Be sure to take immediate control of local government and your countries financial resources.Don’t follow Russia’s and Novorossia’s errors.
You are right though,it takes a while for a new system to arise to replace the old.Its not done overnight.But as history shows,new systems do arise.To not do away with evil for fear of change is the worst cowardice.In ancient days the Romans could have argued (and did) that their system of mass slavery insured stability.To change it would bring confusion and disrupt the natural orders of society.But it was done away with,and the World survived.During the twilight of the “Ancient Regimes” their supporters argued that the “natural order” was one of nobles and serfs.That God meant that to be mankind’s system.Yet the French Revolution changed that thinking.And few today would want that system back again. And in the 20th century some could have argued (and did) that to end European worldwide colonization of the Third World would let loose instability.But the “Winds of change” did blow.And somehow the World survived.And some of those freed countries are helping to built the multi-polar World.Today the Empire’s supporters argue that a uni-polar World is best.That having one country dominate the World gives stability to us all ,the stability of a World of “exceptional” and the rest ,that is.That a multi-polar World will bring confusion.And disrupt the natural order of society.I’ve read that argument before,its 2000 years old (or older).But just as in ages past,we can survive this “confusion and disruption”.Hopefully,to built a new fairer system in place of the old unfair one.
Banks can not control countries, since they belong to the countries to begin with. Look at the stakeholder lists of all major banks, it’s the pension/social funds, municipalities etc. 90%. It’s just a smokescreen. Same goes for the FED, it fully belongs to the Congress and could be dissolved tomorrow if congress so wished. Most of the other banks are simply nationalized, like for example Bank of England.
To reiterate: countries ARE banks, nothing is independent in any area of the economy or industry anywhere.
Now, being that the politicians and countries are (illegaly) controlled by big money anyway, there is no need to “extra” control the banks. It’s included by default.
Maybe I should have said “bankers” instead of “banks”.But I thought that was obvious,sorry.
T2015, What you say about govts controlling banks is logical, but you don’t understand the reality. The truth of how things are set up is highly illogical, entirely counter-intuitive.
I recommend Starikov’s free online book. He shows you exactly how it’s tied up in the constitution & the mechanics of how ruble-issuance is tied to the dollar.
In the US, the Federal Reserve Act and an entire body of financial/banking law prevails. Please understand: if you want to help overthrow this system, you must first understand how it functions.
Regards
LMAO, how do I “not understand the reality”, pray tell??? I chewed through thousands of laws and legtal ducuments and certainly cite only the original statements. Also I never mentioned Ruble, I’m talking about the general workings of the western financial system.
Please give me a link to the text of the constitution where that is defined, Russian language is also fine with me. Let’s prove or disprove it. I have no need for mediators like Starikov, we are all literate here.
I think you should try to understand what your constitution actually says and means. That seems to be very lacking, since obviously none of you understands that our countries are all just fake corporate entities still bound to imperial maritime laws and subservient to the british empire and Vatican, who are still the actual landowners and the highest legal instance (Vatican even trumps the Empire).
T2015, Sorry I didn’t write that very well: My reference to the (Russian)constitution I meant to refer to the Russians’ problem in getting out from under the international bankers’ cabal that is exercised thru the IMF system. Unfortunately I can’t summarize Starikov’s book in a comment. Maybe somebody else could.
The link that T1 posted http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-russian-banking-system-has-been.html
refers to one of the consequences, but I don’t think it’s really understandable till you first understand the mechanics of how IMF affects currency creation in Russia & most countries.
I’m not trying to be superior or snotty when I say you don’t understand how the IMF system presently functions & therefore can’t be effective in promulgating solutions. I didn’t understand it either, till I read Starikov’s documentation.
De Jure is not De Facto. Whatever may be in the legals, the facts on the ground may be, and often are, different. One need look no further than the USG extending its jurisdiction to foreign sovereigns who obliged, breaking their own laws in the process.
Here’s an entertaining read of some other discontinuities between America’s legal and tax structures and reality. I’m not a lawyer, but it appears that the author is well versed in the law, and to the extent that his facts aren’t fabrications and his interpretations are not specious, it would appear that in critical places there is quite some distance between US law and reality.
http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm
When he allegedly said “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), was on to something.
His successors told us what that something was a few decades later, in a letter to their associates:
“The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.”
The “few who understand the system” will protect it at any cost, especially against insider attack. Hiring assassins, or armies if necessary, is just a cost of doing business should sanctions and ostracism fail.
Yes, Erebus, but in the matter of the law and the IMF/BIS/Fed monetary system you arrive at an unjust, thieving system by following the law to the letter. The system was carefully crafted.
There is of course corruption that makes it even worse.
Yes Penelope, you are quite right.
Also, as you pointed out earlier, the IMF-FR system binds its members by treaty, which necessarily stands above national constitutions and laws. A national government, if it’s a member of the IMF can’t change it’s own banking laws, much less “fire the central bank”, without abrogating a signed treaty.
Abrogating treaties is not done as lightly as some of the commentators here seem to think.
Nevertheless, the system is under considerable pressure to change, and if it doesn’t / can’t / won’t we’ll see countries abrogating their treaty commitments.
PS: In my post, with the supremelaw site and Rothschild quotes, I was addressing T2015’s citing of clauses without context as “proving” he understood “reality”. At least, he didn’t take a page from Rurik and claim to have written them (!)
You got it all wrong… completely upside-down…
Totally agree. A law created the ‘National Bank’ of every country. So a law can be passed that de-authorizes the bank. It is not as if the banks have a bunch of soldiers at the door that need to be overcome, so as to throw the bums out.
For all Kolomoiski’s crimes he understood that. If he wanted to take over a company, he got his goons and threw out the managers and took over.
The Russian military does not have that capability? The issue is that of political will. Doesn’t Putin have a big enough mandate to do just that?. And if he did, what is the West going to do, slap sanctions on? Or lock them out of Swift? Maybe Putin is waiting for the Russian China Swift substitute, and then cut off the foreign controlled central bank.
That’d be rich. Don’t threaten, let them lock Russia out of Swift, and then Russian nationalizes the FED controlled (BIS? Rothschild?) controlled Russian central bank.
When the West seizes Russia’s foreign assets, Russian seizes the West’s assets in Russia.
Those foreign owned shares of Russian companies would be a nice payback for the looting that Jeffrey Sachs and his oligarch J word cronies did after the USSR was sold down the river by Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
Simpletonian solutions all the time.
Use the military to take assets?
Get real.
Anonymous,
Membership in IMF is a treaty, not a law. The treaty provides adjudication if an attempt is made to subjugate a central bank to the wishes of nat’l govts. Probably if one country alone tried to exit it all weapons financial & regime change w/b instituted. That’s why it requires mass-repudiation.
The US is empowered by the IMF system (for now) so of course doesn’t want its downfall.
And in most constitutions, treaty trumps law.
As for the EUR’s gestation, the 2008 crisis prompted me to dig in and I wound up reading lots of original sources. I found the best of these are the works of Mundel and Lamfalussy. Lots of stuff out there on and by both.
Erebus,
Mundel and Lamfalussy. Thank you, that’s what I wanted. Although I’ve quite a bit of other reading before I get to it.
Uncle Bob,
Historically, when govts go to war they borrow from banks, incurring interest charges. Today in the US the govt does not issue its own currency; it borrows it from the banks at interest.
The last time the US issued its own currency w/o paying interest to the banks was under John Kennedy. Even before the Federal Reserve you know what happened to Abraham Lincoln when he issued greenbacks instead of paying interest to the bankers to issue currency.
The international banking cabal decides which presidential candidates are subsidized. After election presidents empower only those generals and other officials who can be controlled.
The system can be overturned, but not as easily as you think. For example, you can’t get a law changing the banking system through our bought & paid-for Congress. So how do you do it?
Erebus, It is membership in the IMF that restricts the ability of countries to issue their own currency for investment purposes– instead they must obtain dollars. The issuing of their own currency is tied to dollars. It is such a racket. But they ought not wait for the crash of the dollar. If a number of them got together and left the IMF, and began issuing their own currency as they did before WWII they would once again have financial sovereignty.
It’s not enough to have multipolarity in the control of the IMF. We need the end of this system– true financial decentralization.
Erebus, I was not aware of the machinations behind the EU’s currency. Do you have a link where I can read up on it?
Did you see T1’s link a little above? (About the Fed hijacking Russian banking)
…yes, a racket.
This is also the reason, why it takes so long for Russia, China and the BRICS to set up an alternative Money system. Hundreds of mechanisms, platforms, institutions have to be in place before the umbilical cord can be cut the switch can be made.
Russia has the military high-tech, all the natural resources and Putin :-) China is the economic powerhouse and has the financial infrastructure for going global almost ready in 5 , 4 , 3 , 2 , 1 …
Very well said.
It is not by accident that literally nobody understands the fundamentals of money, fiat money, money creation, debt by interest, central banking, financial markets, etc.
It is not by accident that these topics are not taught in school, are not discussed in newspapers and are kept well hidden from the public view – thus giving the word ‘secret’ in ‘secret societies’ a whole new meaning.
What is the secret? Nothing special. Just the simple understanding, that the easiest way to control nations, the whole of humanity, is by owning the money creation process. Water always flows down, Fiat-Money always flows up. ‘The banker’ takes all.
Part of the battle is who comes across as the bad guy. The west– and by the west I mean our degenerate elites– is over confident in the power of it’s propaganda
@ chimmy
They have about a century or more worth of victories, it does tend to make them arrogant.
MAD from nuclear weapons, only works as a deterence option if both sides are of sound mind and have concern for humanity at a basic level. Unfortunately, I do not think that the US is run by people of sound mind with a concern for humanity, but a bunch of power hungry madmen. So, even though in your previous article you said that the US is not preparing to nuke Russia, if I was a Russian Leader, I would not be so sure. I would be deeply concerned.
In active politics: Steinmeier and Gabriel (SPD, Germany).
(Very) senior figures outside daily politics: Schroeder, Villepin, Giscard, Schmidt, Schluessel
both Steinmeier and Gabriel are total lackeys of the system – spineless collaborationists (if not worse). Gabriel, for example, defended the BND helping the NSA to sniff out German citizens, including Merkel herself. Steinmeier has been very active helping the US to organize the Maidan coup and has even been photographed with open Nazi, Svoboda leader Tyahnibok.
That maybe true, but they are the ones calling for moderation and dialog with Russia and end of sanctions. Gabriel early on advocated the acceptance of Russian Crimea. They initially may have thought that the West could acquire Ukraine on the cheap, but now that that is obviously not the case, many start to backpedal.
On top of that, Russia is talking with all European leaders all the time; nobody has shut the door in the face of Russia.
Oh and I forgot in my list: the Hungarian PM Orban. Italian politicians aren’t bad either.
And the German industry HATES the course Atlanticist politicians like the little Merkel are following.
It is absolutely true that there are only midgets left in Europe, on the other hand that should be reassuring. There is absolutely no threat emerging from these people. Nobody seriously wants a military confrontation with Russia. And Europeans still try to moderate the demands of the Americans. Like the US proposal at the G7 to exclude Russia from all financial transactions. The Europeans refused.
Russia still holds the most important card: energy. And the importance of that card will only increase, when the Middle East further descends into chaos.
Oh, come on, this is merely a good cop / bad cop game.
They have all failed to “put the money where the mouth is”, so to speak—they have miserably failed to act on their words.
Just like our Prime Minister Robert Fico—he speaks wisely in from of the domestic audience, yet he signs whatever his “EU partners” want him to sign.
He claims that “he will continue to have different viewpoints, he will speak about them in the EU summits, but in the end he will never break the common viewpoint of the EU”.
You know, they are all “shit in a silk stocking” (to quote Napoléon I Bonaparte on Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord)—that is what always comes to my mind…
It reminds me of the “banality of evil” and the brainwashing of the Germans who eventually found it natural that the Jews be done away with…
I told you last year in june,that there would be NOTHING at all to expect from the eurocretins.Since CDG left our world,the EU is a colony.Europe was occupied by Hitler and then switched to NATO occupation.On the economic side it is even worse(if possible)All countries are almost or totally bankrupted(not only Greece).Not to talk about de derivatives debts for several trillions(linked with a CDS ponzi).This may collapse at any moment.The ECB(after the BOJ and the FED)are printing billions of fiat money with no real value.The MSM of course are hidding the truth to the sheeps who are watching soccer or reality shows on tv.They will be in vacation soon..who cares?
When you see the level of ‘hollande'(sarkozy is not better or worse),Merkel,Cameron,Renzi(unelected),Juncker(called drunker),Tusk(polish russophobe).
The sardines states(once called baltics)warmongers..etc etc…the prostitutes from Romania or Bulgaria…there is nothing to expect from these people.Same in the US,Kerry seems to be ‘fired’..because he went to Sotchi:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/secretary-of-state-john-kerry-v-his-subordinate-victoria-nuland-regarding-ukraine.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-07/obama-sidelines-kerry-ukraine-policy
The neocons are now running 100 pct of the show untill the elections(and after even more).Even Obama has nothing to say,just an actor(a very bad one).
Putin must just wait for the total collapse of the junta and hope some kind or revolt or maidan 3 will happen.. one day.But this takes some time,remember Pinochet,Franco etc…they stayed quiet a while in power.
The US,the Eurocretins,the IMF will provide hundreds of billions if necessary just to keep Ukraine alive.They will steal everything which still has a value.Soros will make billions with ukrainians bonds with an EU or US guaranty(though no risk at all and fast money for the banksters).
NONE of our countries is really bankrupt. It’s all lies. Creative book-keeping on one side and illegitimate debt on the other.
All our institutions basically lie in their annual financial statements – they list all the future debts and payments, while they list none of the future income, neither from taxes nor from assets and investments. Also all of them hide billions and billions in hard assets.
Most of the debt is debt to itself, in case of USA it’s more than half of the total. You can read it in FED’s C.A.F.R. yourself, it’s freely available online on their homepage under “annual financial statements” (yes, that’s the real, full audit – that much about the honesty of Ron Paul and similar banker shills). That debt is of course illegitimate and could/should be discarded today. It wouldn’t even hurt the economy if you do it right.
T2015,
I’d like to respond to your comment, “Most of the debt is debt to itself, in case of USA it’s more than half of the total.” This implies the majority of the U.S. debt is accounting trickery which I disagree.
The total U.S. national debt is currently 18.X trillion to date. The debt is made up of two main categories: Intra-government Holdings and Debt Held by the Public.
Intra-government Holdings is 5.X trillion. Social Security trust fund and disability insurance payments are more than half of this non-interest bearing liability. Although it can be considered part of the “debt to itself” statement you made, these are real expenditures that flow out of the treasury and made to millions of retires and disabled persons.
Debt Held by the Public is approximately 13 trillion according to The Bureau of the Fiscal Service (see: https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/finrep/finrep14/citizenguide/fr_citizen_guide_where_we_are_now.htm ). The “public” is defined as individuals, corporations, state and local Governments, Federal Reserve Banks, foreign Governments, and other entities outside the federal Government.
As of 10/2014, the Federal Reserve holds 2.5 trillion, which again as you wrote, is part of the “debt to itself” category
(see: http://useconomy.about.com/od/monetarypolicy/f/Who-Owns-US-National-Debt.htm ).
The following debts owned to non-government entities include interest paid in addition to principal amounts due on the various debt instruments (bonds, notes, bills, etc.):
Foreign entities – 6.X trillion
(see breakdown here: ( http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt ).
Mutual Funds – 1.X trillion
State/local governments – .8X trillion
Private pension funds – .5X trillion
Banks – .4X trillion
Insurance companies – .2X trillion
US savings bonds – .1X trillion
So 13.X trillion of the 18.X trillion national debt represents actual liabilities owned to non-government entities including Social Security recipients and only 5.X trillion of which half is held by the Federal Reserve falls under the “debt to itself” statement.
Amateurs… ;)
I already posted it below – enjoy the reading: https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/u-s-government-in-debt-to-itself/
And please DO bother checking all the referenced documents, laws, reports etc. yourself. I did.
Mr. T2015, (a.k.a. Clint Richardson, protégé? of Walter Burien, formally Walter Bubien)
You are a crusader for exposing the financial machinations of the central government in Washington DC and all of its heirs in the form of state and municipal governments throughout the U.S. Your mission is to expose the deception and collusion between governments and global banking, multinational corporations and their stable of lobbyists who importune the political lackeys to serve them and not the people. Charles Ponzi still lives and works in these great corridors of flimflam.
We are being played, I get that. However rudeness and arrogance doth not bring thee followers. If you want to educate people to know the truths of how governments profit on the backs of its citizenry, I suggest you temper your responses in a more respectful manner instead of employing supercilious insolence.
“these are real expenditures that flow out of the treasury and made to millions of retires and disabled persons.”
That part is ridiculous, sorry. All of them are in it for profit and nothing else. It’s just another huge ponzi scheme.
Ridiculous, you write? I receive social security payments, every month. I exchange the money for goods, services and to continually liquidate personal debt. How does that constitute ‘profit’ for me?
Sorry, you misunderstood me, maybe due to my bad wording – I meant it creates profit for the owners, which are (after several instances designed to divert anbd confuse) belonging mostly to the government and the Big Money.
Actually you and the other people should receive much MORE, if the mentioned entities wouldn’t skim most of the profits. Let alone the usage of those assets for some shady purposes, be it manipulation of markets or financing the black military funds and so on.
Here are some actual numbers:
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/
”
Hong Kong: $121.9 billion (0.9 percent)
Caribbean banking centers: $148.3 (1 percent)
Taiwan: $153.4 billion (1.1 percent)
Brazil: $211.4 billion (1.5 percent)
Oil exporting countries: $229.8 billion (1.6 percent)
Mutual funds: $300.5 billion (2 percent)
Commercial banks: $301.8 billion (2.1 percent)
State, local and federal retirement funds: $320.9 billion (2.2 percent)
Money market mutual funds: $337.7 billion (2.4 percent)
United Kingdom: $346.5 billion (2.4 percent)
Private pension funds: $504.7 billion (3.5 percent)
State and local governments: $506.1 billion (3.5 percent)
Japan: $912.4 billion (6.4 percent)
U.S. households: $959.4 billion (6.6 percent)
China: $1.16 trillion (8 percent)
The U.S. Treasury: $1.63 trillion (11.3 percent)
Social Security trust fund: $2.67 trillion (19 percent)
So America owes foreigners about $4.5 trillion in debt. But America owes America $9.8 trillion.”
Which confirm your assessment above about ~5 trillion, but show the other part (bold) that I mentioned.
Nah, typing too fast – “confirms” and “shows” in that last sentence, of course.
Example, here’s his breakdown just for the state of Texas – it’s mind boggling and it’s just a little bit of it all:
https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/where-the-state-of-texas-hides-your-money/
Also he has a similar article on Detroit and another one on the CalPers fund (examplary for those funds, also very enlightening – you can also see their huge holdings in China very well there, among other things).
Neocon is a, family-friendly term for Neonazi.
What’s fascinating to me is that as the economy of the Ukraine implodes the western media will make sure that the President of Russia gets blamed and sufficient grounds will be to attempt to isolate Russia even more.
Its obvious in reading the statement that they intend the sanctions to never go away.Here are the two relevant parts proving that point: ” We reiterate our condemnation of the illegal annexation of the Crimean peninsula by the Russian Federation and reaffirm our policy of its non-recognition.” and “We recall that the duration of sanctions should be clearly linked to Russia’s complete implementation of the Minsk agreements and respect for Ukraine’s sovereignty. They can be rolled back when Russia meets these commitments.” Since the first sentence implicitly says that the “illegal annexation” would not “respect Ukraine’s sovereignty”.And the other sentence directly says the sanctions would remain until the RF did do so.Then there is no other conclusion than that the sanctions will stay as long as Crimea is not returned to junta rule.Since that isn’t going to happen,they have no intention of removing the sanctions.As I’ve said before,Russia needs to not expect the sanctions to be removed,no matter what.Unless they are willing to kneel to the West.So Russia needs to do what is right and not worry about the West’s goodwill,there is no goodwill to be had from the West.
Unc B,
The way I read it – the sanctions put on Europe will not be removed. Russia will grow out of it, barring a war. As others have pointed out, the future is in the east. Europe can recede into an unimportant banker’s colony, resource hungry and impoverished.
Russia needs to extract Greece from the Euro/ECB/IMF deathgrip.
The St. Petersburg Economic Summit is coming up, and Greece is in desperate need of some friends.
Soon after the IMF bonds are due there is the Ufa Twin Summit.
Can Putin charm Tsipras to see sense and stand up for his country over the next 7 weeks?
Tspiras is a flake at best, a fraud, most likely.
He was offered $5 Billlion to get out from under the EU. (an advance against gas revenues Putin offered to him)
He thinks he can play and extend his day in the sun.
He’s a bad partner to make a deal with.
Yes, Greece needs to be out of the EU and China and Russia.
But the leaders are braindead and gutless.
All that is true – and there might in fact be several reasons why he hasn’t (as yet – a positive view) taken it. One of them being the Greek military/ Greek police are essentially under the control of NATO – US/UK etc – and he needs the people comprehensively on the side of Russia and calling for Russian help to make the step. I saw a poll just the other day saying 70%+ of Greeks still want to retain the euro.
Whatever the case, if he keeps playing the game of brinkmanship with EU/ECB/IMF he is playing at some point they will yank support for the Greek banking system and the Greek economy will implode.
On a positive view – this delaying delaying delaying on Greece’s part is being used as a signal to the Greek populace to take all your money out of the banks while you can (In euros). Because we (Greece) plan on a default in July.
If that is the play – it all lines up really nicely.
I also think its quite possible – he hasn’t completely made his mind up yet. If he had – surely he would have already cut a deal with EU/ECB/IMF by now?
June 18 – St. Petersburg Economic Summit (Putin & Tsipras will meet next week)
June 30 – IMF Payment (1.6 Billion)
June 30 – Euro sanctions on Russia renewal (Not sure of the exact date)
July 9-10 – Ufa BRICS & SCO Summit in Russia
July 20 – ECB Payment (Billions)
August 20 – ECB Payment (Billions).
The first real litmus test for Tsipras is the Euro sanctions. I’m sure Putin will offer him a deal next week. Veto sanctions renewal and we will pay your IMF loan with an advance. Then with that out of the way they can be invited to the BRICS Bank and then default on their ECB loans in July/August.
In other words – all hell could break loose in the next 7 weeks or so.
And why do you think Putin has been restraining the Novorussians? Precisely to have these options at his disposal.
If Greece chooses bondage – they’ll only have themselves to blame.
Julian,
We are all waiting for Tsipras to take a definitive, bold action. But he wasn’t elected to exit the euro & his population is well-propagandized to believe it wd be catastrophic. He was elected to relieve austerity somewhat while staying in the euro and not defaulting on the debt (an oxymoron w/o the cooperation of the banksters who stand to gain even more from Greek payment OR default). In case of default they can take Greece’s gold reserves.
Julian, in general you don’t get revolutionary leaders out of elections, only from revolutions. (So says Joaquin Flores)
Russia’s position: Let Greece stay in the EU to vote against sanctions. She doesn’t want EU to implode, is still playing the long game of trying to change it into a step towards a trade/security integration Vladivostock to Iberia.
I haven’t seen any indication that Tsipras is a Degaulle or a Putin, so I’m pessimistic. Seems like Brussells will be able to call for a new govt on grounds of banking insolvency.
The secret of Rightwing dominance in capitalist ‘democracies’ is hatred. As long as the ruling Rightwing party is screwing the poor, downtrodden, weak and defenceless, the ‘aspirational’ middle class will be happy. Even if their life prospects are evaporating, just so long as others are being treated even worse, it will be OK. And where voting is voluntary (but obedience to the State compulsory) the poor etc will simply absent themselves. Add first past the post as in the UK, and Cameron gets a ‘landslide’ with 31% of the vote on 66% turn-out, ie 24% of the electorate. It’s a recipe for ever worsening social discord, inequality and hatred, just the sort of society the Right prefer.
You can only save a drowning man if he grabs the life-preserver you throw him.If he refuses he drowns.Russia and China are attempting to throw one.But Greece doesn’t seem to want it.Why? I can’t say.But they seem to not want to be saved.
It is not Tsipras, Varoufakis or the different factions within syrisa that should grab the life-jacket. It is the greek people generally that must, or at the very least be open to.
I’m convinced that, given the rough ride the greeks are into, one way or another, if they are to opt-in for insubmission they must trully be committed. It is the only way that endeaviour can be fueled, otherwise the will “fire” will burn out and IMF/ECB wins back (and with a vengeance).
Before accepting any help from elsewhere, one must be trully commited to save himself by his own means.
Greece leaders task right now is to allow the greek people to realise the above (EU negotiations are hopeless). And i think they do have the conditions to provide for that awakening. If they can cherry it with external help the better for the greeks. And in honesty, other europeans if they happen to be successful.
“Tsipras wasted a potentially golden opportunity for Greece in Moscow” by Takis Fotopoulos
http://www.inclusivedemocracy.org/journal/vol11/vol11_no1_Tsipras_wasted_a_potentially_golden_opportunity_for_Greece_in_Moscow.html
Simply signalling the end of globalisation and reverting to a world of trade barriers and bilateral agreements. The exercise of democratic will of the people living in Crimea is offensive to oligarchs and tyrants. That history is moving forward into a new non-eurocentric world without the ‘permission’ of the G7 is offensive to the self appointed hegemony du jour.
Forget the msm-narratives which are designed to hide the reality of a new Great Depression in the bankrupt developed world, what matters is the quality of life for the small people living human-scale lives. And on that basis, what exactly are the Russians going to suffer? Good food security, trade, finances with BRICS. Technology exchange with China. Energy security. World class national leadership and defence capacity.
The ‘Guilty 7’ are yesterday’s news. Let the year roll on into a cold winter 2015 without market certainty for European agricultural production and let’s see what defaults in Greece and Ukraine bring to the rebalancing equation.
“Guilty-7” I like that very much; it’s a shoe that fits all too well. Thanks!!
MSM news
burpblurp;“The rebels [evil Russians, yeah, I get it] issued no immediate comment.”
How on Earth does one issue a ‘no immediate comment?’
O_O
Link to Yahoo garbage dump
Dear The Saker,
Its like white noise when the “G7” speak. The fact Merkel and Holland were present at Minsk 2 says it all. They are all over the shop. They are just actors. Weak, pathetic and embarassing. Sadly Russia has no one whatsoever to talk to in the West.
FIFA came out with a strong comment today saying Russia and Qatar will hold their respective world cups and cannot legally be taken away. That will pee off Obama and Cameron.
http://sputniknews.com/sport/20150608/1023101170.html
Rgds,
Veritas
A good interview between Mark Sleboda and Joaquim Flores on the G7:
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/06/g7-is-just-show-against-russia-sleboda.html
As it’s all about gas/energy control. Destroying the Ukraine as a reliable conduit to Europe was the main objective – Obomber has succeeded in that. After that, the Ukraine is the EU’s problem – especially Germany’s. As Merkel must know.
The aim is to supply gas from the Middle East : Israel intends to be the main player/beneficiary in this. (Tusk was the broker.) But those plans – annihilate Syria, control Quatar which has half the largest gas field in the world, the Pars ( and the transit of the other half in Iran) – are going awry.
Assad has not crumbled. Now the French have thrown in the towel in Syria. Erdogan is weakened (though not necessarily Turkstream.) That means NATO operating out of Turkey with French support is also compromised.
There is growing international hostility to the Bibi regime and more and more support for BDS. Palestine is on the brink of UN recognition. The ‘Greater Syria’ project – the necessary geopolitical move to control M.E. energy for the benefit of Israel/US -has receded.
Now the US will have to do business with Iran on much more uncertain grounds. While the Ayotollah has accepted the US as potential middlemen in the supply of Iranian gas to European energy markets, the Revolutionary Guard is against it.
Back to Minsk. They have to keep up this ludicrous pantomime since they have effectively boxed themselves into a corner: they can’t CHANGE horses midstream. By ‘they’ I mean the EU – particularly Merkel. Hence the rhetoric.
The loss of human life, the destruction of infrastructure in South East Ukraine means nothing to the G7 crew: if they had normal psychologies.they wouldn’t have been selected for their positions. They could not care less.
So no, there is nobody to speak to, other than Italy. I think a meeting is scheduled next week with Putin.
What is much more interesting is the upcoming meeting with Pope Francis on June 10th. He has pointedly avoided mentioning Russia in relation to the conflict, so departing from the MSM narrative. I would not be surprised at something leftfield emerging from that quarter…
Absolute key “minor detail” in the push to get Palestine recognized this fall, & with it you can bet some kind of ‘spectacular’ act of resistance to it by Nutty, is that the language clearly states “pre- 1967 borders”, & with that goes any claim by Israel to Leviathan & any/all other offshore assets.
Even the notorious flimflam spewing pre-approved frauds posing as writers at Wackypedia have zero mention of Palestine in the list of countries contesting Leviathan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field
Location of the Leviathan gas field in the Eastern Mediterranean
Country Egypt, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Israel
Region Eastern Mediterranean Sea
Location Levantine basin
Block Rachel licence
According to some commentators, the gas find has the potential to change Israel’s foreign relations with neighboring countries Turkey and Egypt.[5] Together with the nearby Tamar gas field, the Leviathan field is seen as an opportunity for Israel to become a major energy player in the Middle East.[6]
Obomber is not a player. He is just an actor, pretending. The US has not had a constitutional government since November 22, 1963.
Those in command, the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Duponts, and other Oligarch families, control a zionist/anglo world government. They are loyal to no particular country, and consider the wealthy elite of the ‘Chosen People’ to be the world’s rulers. They can order their underlings to hand them $13 Trillion, with the wink of the eye (recall the great Bailout)? They can shoot down civilian planes and trash tall buildings. Look what they did to Patrice Lumumba, and, since then, to all of Africa.
Many of the Oligarch aligned political leaders entered the imperialist political portway by the pathway of the Marxist – Zionist Left. Consider Hilary Clinton, and John Kerry, New York City Mayors Bloomenthal, and De Blasio, and half the Congress, with the other half, (Republican gang) competing with the Dem gang to pray at the Wailing Wall. Check their past history (much of it remains googleable). The few who resist, Ron Paul, Carter, Kucinich, Nader, McKinney, Snowden, Assange, Manning, and Ventura, are rendered invisible non-persons. Other resisters did not have that privilege.
Recall Congress’ invite to their President, the Fascist, Netenyahoo, to speak to them, over the objections of the Hollywood non-President, Obomber. The American congress finances the Zionist land grabs, their army, their police, their economy, and their Wall. They know who they serve.
Behind Obomber, Biden, McCaine, Hollande, Cameron, Merkel, Netenyahoo, Poroshenko, and the others, are the Oligarchs. These controlled stooges cannot be reasoned with; they are only mindless controlled actors (acting for others). They are the oldest profession.
Re read Orwell’s “1984.” What was politically real in his story? Only while in prison, was Winston (he was us), allowed to see “The Book” (Trotsky’s “The Revolution betrayed”). Only there was Winston allowed to see the true alignment of forces. Orwell, through his historical “Homage to Catalonia,” a factual autobiographical history, portrayed the same lack of responsible political actors as in his fictional “1984.” Conversely, his “Animal Farm” discussed the real -flesh and blood- movers of history, from the brutal dictators, to the actual revolutionists. Each animal had a name and a real world identity.
The good guys lost in all 3 books. Only in “Homage to Catalonia” does Orwell end with a warning, and through the warning, he expressed some hope.
*We are trained to believe that we live on an “Animal Farm,” that our political world, as portrayed by the controlled media, while dark and brutal, has some validity, but our world has passed to the side of actors and their financier/controllers with the Brass Knuckles.*
What do we have to compete with that? The Novorossyan militia, and Hezbollah, have given us a clue. Can they, unlike their Spanish Republican brothers, emerge victorious? Orwell’s animals did not fare well. Can we change the tide of history?
For the Democratic Republics!
IMAGINE
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.
George Orwell
I have faith in Christ, the Synagogue of Satan will eventually fall, even as the darkness grows I feel the light of Truth as it moves across the face of the planet, but that Truth will not be liberated without sacrifice.
Angelo…I love your comment…but even Steiner, by the end of his life said he wasn’t sure humanity would make it…I think there was a kind of turning point that ‘we’ missed. But nothing is written in stone about the future…I hope you’re right.
You are ill informed Peter. In pure legalese, it’s all just fine. What you missed is that the constitution is laid to rest by the constant and yearly multiply renewed “National Emergency” ever since the great depression. If you go to whitehouse . gov and search for national emergency, you will find several right away. Each of those alone is sufficient to override the constitution. They only last a year and must be renewed anually, which is exactly what happens all the time.
More clearly: the US is under emergency laws ever since 1920’s. The rest is just fluff talk for the gullible.
T2015
Was the personal attack, “You are ill informed Peter” necessary for you to make your point?
Did I misunderstand Orwell? Am I ill informed, or do we disagree?
When you make a personal attack, at least have the courage to identify yourself.
It’s a simple statement of fact, not a personal attack. The wording would be very different if the latter was the case.
You are just obviously uninformed regarding the constitution and regarding the national emergency laws and regulations. I already told you above where you can check it yourself, don’t take my word for it.
Leaked Bilderberg 2015 list:
http://openews.eu/liste-et-date-de-la-prochaine-reunion-du-bilderberg-2015-juppe/
Wow. This article needs no introduction. The idea that illegally removing the world football championship from Russia will help “take down Putin” is laughable, but a good look at the imperial mindset.
publius. I think most rational observers would agree with my opinion that Bret Stephens is one of the most viciously odious, hate-mongering, scum-bags in the entire Murdoch menagerie. His attacking Putin can only redound to Putin’s benefit.
Dear Saker
The truce of WW2 brought slavery for the Europe(old Europe). And the End of Cold War or the continuation of WW2 brought the absolute Slavery to the Entire Europe to US.
I am surprised by the very “Educated” people on this blog even Saker himself say this as Freedom what I mean that “WW2” brought Freedom from Nazis. Only Russia got the Freedom in a sense but not it is the fight for the absolute Freedom from the group of Nazis or you can absolute Nazis.
do you guys think so???? At least not me. I am absolutely convinced. To get out of this extremely convoluted problem only answer is WAR and that too Nu-Clear, to clear out every poison created by this Market Poison(Econmy).
does it make sense???
Rgds
Sanjay
“does it make sense???”
No. Zero.
The only discernable theme in your convoluted ramblings is, that you want a nuclear war in Europe. The idea of millions of Europeans dying must be really fascinating to you.
Dear Sir, Truth hurts and difficult to accept, isn’t it ???
By the way do you guys have a solution ?
Regds
Sanjay
Another solution? No, no idea. Yeah, Europeans are somehow all implicated with capitalsim or (insert your preferred ideological bogeyman here …………). Let’s better kill them all!
Yeah, brilliant idea! I have another brilliant idea for you: Get help!
Keep ranting and one day you will see all in front you …. You could be angry at me but it is not going to help. You have to find the truth, see the truth and finally accept the Truth.
Regds
Sanjay
I don’t have a solution, but war certainly is none such. War always horts the “little people” and never the actual criminals, the globalist “elites” and money-changers.
Yes. You make sense.
About the nuking left & right and north & south i am less sure. The US dollar could fall over the cliff at any moment… But for this to happen we need the new gold-backed Silk Road currency.
The sad – and scary – reality is that Russia has nobody to speak to any more. Literally. Not a single western leader is worth even speaking to. They are either deluded, or clueless, or spineless. Usually all of the above. Think about it yourself: if you were Lavrov or Putin – whom would you chose to talk to in the West?
Exactly. There is *nobody* left at all worth talking to. Nobody.
In regards to this comment – I agree with you. It seems to me John Kerry is someone who wants to do the right thing (well at least from a fairly sensible American perspective), but is hamstrung and sidelined by the likes of his subordinate Victoria Nuland (why can’t he sack her?), Joe Biden and Obama who don’t seem to take him seriously!
Obama has definitely been captured by the Neocons it would seem, and the other two (Nuland & Biden) are up to their necks in it.
Do we know for sure that Beau Biden really had brain cancer?
Also, do we know for sure what really happened to John Kerry?
Obam a was/is/will be a Neo-Con. Any DOUBT. The greatest seductionist so far…..
Any doubt!!
Russia has nobody to talk to any more…
… but neither do we – the sakers flying high in the sky – watching down on our magnificent Western homelands, that have been occupied by psychopaths and criminals, unable to talk even to most of our family and friends, who didn’t have the strength and the resolve to resist the Empire’s relentles media mind-control…
oh… but failing Russia’s diplomacy as intermediary, reality itself will come ashore, make no doubt.
133 Nations Vow To Destroy America’s NWO.
The American and European media are doing everything they can to black this news out. But it’s not going to stay a secret for long. As of this weekend, there’s a new New World Order on Earth and its enemy is the United States, the EU, the UN Security Council and the world’s shadow government led by the IMF and WTO. This new alliance of poor countries wouldn’t be much of a threat, except it includes two-thirds of the world’s nations including China and India.
It’s a sad day for the American people when their government and state-sponsored news industry blacks out such an important news story. Americans actually have to rely on outlets like the Havana Times in Cuba, The Times of India, and United Nations press releases. There’s a reason this news is being censored across the West. And it’s only the latest global news story over the past two weeks on this subject blacked out from the American people. Read on to find out why.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/133-nations-vow-to-destroy-americas-nwo/
Why don’t Lavrov and Putin just have a Chautauqua directly with the citizens of the West? Bypass world leaders and go straight to the people.
good idea
I agree with Jimmie. That’s a great idea! That’s what the Internet is all about!
I disagree that the G7 are out of touch w reality. Rather, they want all those who get their news from the corporate media to be out of touch w reality. They are manufacturing consent for anything they may choose to do. They are not crazy; they are evil. If a small oligarchy is to defeat billions of people its primary weapon must be disinformation.
Their audience is not Russia; it’s the masses plus any govts that are ill-informed. It is also a psy-op. When all the govts & all the media & every authoritative source tells you the same lie it is difficult to realize that you are NOT alone, that masses of people and govts know the truth.
Appearing to be reckless and crazy is also to appear more frightening.
Finally, I think even those of us who are awake often fail to recognize the degree to which the banksters and their tools are wedded to their global oligarchy– the NWO. Many of the adherents have gone through upper-level Masonic rituals, or those of Skull & Bones or other secret societies or even luciferianism. Those at the highest levels– the real decision-makers– have the explicit belief that their behavior ought have no moral limits; that what they consider to be “rationality” is not subject to moral limitation. That is one reason why you see so much child-molestation among them. This sort of behavior perverts an important seat of pleasure and helps to reinforce antisocial behavior and the belief that nonrecognition of limits allows them to approach godhood. I know these are extreme statements, but do you really believe that people who are responsible for the deaths of millions of persons are Christians or Muslims or any other sane religion?
http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites The murals at the Denver International Airport are especially explicit.
Those murals are in many more public places than just DIA.
Here’s another: right in the public lobby of BOA, one of the very few handful of banks left, because it’s so big it’s eliminated most smaller ones over the generation.
What a coincidence it’s by/for the bankster smug overlords.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/analysis-of-the-occult-symbols-found-on-the-bank-of-america-murals/
A reader of Infowars sent me pictures of some very odd murals displayed at the Bank of America Corporate Center in Charlotte, NC. Needless to say they immediately caught my attention, as I was flabbergasted by their symbolism and their message. I also couldn’t help relating them to the ominous murals of the Denver International Airport.
“I know these are extreme statements, but do you really believe that people who are responsible for the deaths of millions of persons are Christians or Muslims or any other sane religion?”.
I fully agree with your comment. The greatest trick of the devil is to convince the world he doesn’t exist. The so called leaders of the west and the powers behind them are Satanists in the very real sense of the word.
You only have to see the actions of their proxy forces all over the globe to see the true depth of their evil and depravity. Al-Qaeda and ISIS, boko haram etc. are all obsessed with death, they are a death cult and revel in killing men, women and children in all manner of gruesome ways in a sacrifice to their dark lord. This may sound dramatic but believe me this is for real. These minions of the devil decapitate people on a whim, bury women and children alive after all manners of rape and sexual abuse including the raping of children (both girls and boys). There was even an article I read one time where these psychos actually sawed a woman in half horizontally from the head right through her torso and hung each half of her body on separate trees. They are evil. This is the face of evil and every western “leader” is complicit in each and every one of these crimes against humanity.
God will destroy them and their time is drawing near.
“‘Come out of her, my people,’[b]
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;[c]
I will never mourn.’
Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Penelope–The philosophy of those you speak of is Libertinism, developed by the Marquis de Sade, which I recognized immediately upon reading de Beauvoir’s book about de Sade back in the early 1990s. But we must also realize that such behavior is longstanding, going back at least as far as the beginnings of settled agriculture 16,000 years ago. As a historian, I’ve been asking “Why?” for my entire career. I came across a disturbing yet very revealing book “The Spirit in the Gene” that provides a very profound answer that is simple yet highly complex.
In fairness to the Empire, their interpretation of Minsk has always been that it means Russia give up control of the border and sending holiday troops and support. Then some kind of Nazi peace can come. Russia has gone along with this farce, so you can’t really expect anything to change due to the G7 summit. It was a strange agreement from the very beginning.
As to the lack of seriousness of Western frontmen, well, perhaps that is the strategy. It shows Russia that nothing they can do can work. Russia has to turn its back on Europe and other Anglo-Zionist colonies. Which is perhaps what the Empire wants. It is, after all, a bit strange that Russia keeps expecting to maintain economic relations at a reasonable level when there is a war on. In fact, one could make the case that it is the West that is more rational in saying that business interests have to be subservient to geopolitical or national interest considerations.
Paul: You haven’t read the Minsk -2 Agreement. It DOES provide for Ukraine to resume control of her borders– but only AFTER she has fulfilled all the terms of the Agreement for a period of time. The Agreement is brilliant in that it requires Kiev to perform most of the actions.
Further, the UN has “certified” the Agreement. It has put Kiev in a box. Now they can only lie about its content.
Actually, I have read it. And it may be brilliant the same way the deal Putin worked out with Yanukovich and the EU was brilliant. It was a good deal if and when you are dealing with normal business matters. When you are dealing with a powerful beast that wants you dead, well, the jury is out.
Anyway, perhaps things come down to whether you feel that time is on the Kremlin’s side. There are definitely things Russia very much needed to do years ago that are happening right now. That is a positive. It is an open question, however, whether the Kremlin was right. Every shell that hits the Donbass is also an attack on Putin’s popularity, and every non-move at dealing with the economy is as well. Russia had the very able reformer Stolypin in the early 1900’s, who some see as Putin’s role model, but that didn’t stop the system from being overwhelmed as one man is not enough against an entrenched elite class that simply can’t reform.
If I were Putin I’d keep talking to God, as he seems to now. ,-)
The US? I barely talk to my neighbors, but try to avoid it. No point to it. The US I lived in all my life is based on lies. It took a while to figure it out, but there is little to no respect for truth here — church, school, jobs, government, media — it’s a load of anti-intellectual poppycock, and no one seems to know or care. People just make stuff up and say it.
Russian daily Vedemonsti reports that Agricultural Ministry is working on a policy proposal under which agricultural investors would be leased given currently unused farmland free of charge.
The Ministry further proposes compensation to investors for any development of the state-owned land. Addition, if the investors prove to have successfully developed the land within the five year period, they could become the new owners of the land or the state may continue to lease the land free of charge.
http://russia-insider.com/en/business/russia-plans-lease-land-free-agricultural-investors/ri7675
To paraphrase Paul Craig Roberts, these “leaders” are nothing but a gaggle of maniacs. They are totally incompetent and total fools. They are so full of hubris that they believe their own propaganda.
Which makes the situation ever so dangerous, considering that some of them are armed with nuclear weapons.
Bernie Sanders, anyone? He might listen. Along with other ‘minor party’ heads, like the Greens. Bypass the Dems and the Repugs as they will listen to no one.
But I might be just whistling in the dark, as it closes in on us all in the west.
The ‘arguments’ of the remaining fascist trolls at The Guardian have been reduced to ‘Putinbot’ . . . the self-destruction of Ukraine is now so far advanced that only a few die-hard pro-Americans are left. And Obama and Merkel continue the farce. These people will be incinerated in a nuclear holocaust while they continue to spout the party line. What a way to go.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/putin-could-be-given-authorization-to.html?m=1
This is important to remember for those who bash Putin for not intervening militarily in Ukraine — he doesn’t have Russian duma authorization to do that now even if he wanted to.
That authorisation was granted, I think, as a threat. Then it was removed, when it became obvious the West was panicking because of it. Easy enough to get it back, if needed. And we don’t know what emergency powers there are: did the Duma have to approve actions in Georgia or Chechnya?
I’d have to look again, but some of this covered in the Russian law code, about what power the president has to protect the country, meet threats and emergencies, etc. I don’t know that all of it is on line though. Putin himself asked that the previous authorization be revoked. If the territory of Russia was invaded or threatened then there are provisions to move troops there, but I don’t now just how the law reads pertaining to threats from the other side of the borders.
Putin can call a meeting, I’ll guess, and get permission from others in the government, but it would not be as easy and straightforward as prior authorization. Still, the pont seems to be that invading Ukraine at this point would not be with consensus from the whole government, as is more the case when it is authorized by the duma. It’s not like Russia is run by undemocratic authoritarians as in the US where the people (or often even congress) have no say in anything and are ignored.
Yes, more like a threat, I guess. To make sure it is visible in advance.
Using troops abroad is decided by federal assembly (duma is there). But there are emergency powers.
Chechnya is in Russia so can be decided by the president
Georgia: covered by emergency powers
http://iv.garant.ru/SESSION/PILOT/main.htm
@ oh well,
Per your link;
“…which is intended to ensure “the most rapid normalization of the situation, the restoration of the rule of law and normal functioning of the society, constitutional rights and freedoms of citizens” in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.”
Too bad the Kiev Killer Kommandos [KKK] have to shove the ‘normal functioning of the society‘ down the Donetsk and Lugansk inhabitants’ throats, with the barrel of a gun to their heads.
Interesting passage in your link.
As a reminder, on Thursday (Jun4/2015) the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law which allows Ukraine to invite foreign militaries to conduct operations on Ukraine’s territory. According to the law’s clarifying note, the document “allows the establishment of conditions to carry out an international operation” of an armed NATO and EU contingent, which is intended to ensure “the most rapid normalization of the situation, the restoration of the rule of law and normal functioning of the society, constitutional rights and freedoms of citizens” in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
From the Wiki:
The word decadence, which at first meant simply “decline” in an abstract sense, is now most often used to refer to a perceived decay in standards, morals, dignity, religious faith, or skill at governing among the members of the elite of a very large social structure, such as an empire or nation state. By extension, it may refer to a decline in art, literature, science, technology, and work ethics, or (very loosely) to self-indulgent behaviour.
G7 political leaders are a manifestation of decadence. They are presiding (in their stupid way) over the rapid decline of their evil empire. They are merely overseers for the money that controls them. The dollar is the source of their power. Keep chipping away at the dollar and play for time. Time is on our side.
As Oscar Wilde observed, the USA was the first state to go from barbarity to decadence without an intervening period of civilization. And, in truth, they never left barbarity behind.
Camoron
UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has said in an interview that placing American nuclear warheads on British territory is not ruled out – but it would have to be “a very delicate act.”
There have been “some worrying signs of stepping up levels of activity both by Russian forces and by Russian-controlled separatist forces” in Ukraine, Hammond told the BBC’s Andrew Marr.
http://rt.com/uk/265597-us-uk-nukes-russia/
Here is a must read if one wishes to step back and see the wide view. From Mackinder, through Kennan, to Brzezinski and Kissinger, Alfred W. McCoy lays out the Great Game Changer that an emerging China is bringing to the Eurasian table.
Putin’s Russia seems to understand this perfectly, and has carved out an indispensable role for itself in the Eurasian project. The Anglo West are relegated to fighting a rearguard action, in a spoiler’s role, sacrificing their EU pawns with abandon, but to no strategic effect.
http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2015/06/07/washingtons-great-game-and-why-its-failing/
Thanks for the link.
OT
And Bloomberg chimes in [again], with good news about Chinese/Russian relationships [never mind the USS Liberty], embedded in a charming headline, ‘China Battle Tank Maker Trash Talks Russian Rival Online.
Too bad these rags’ M.O. is so ff-ing predictable.
Bloomberg does not even pretend to be a “respectable” journalistic outlet any more with that tabloid-style headline. “Trash talk”?! LOL.
America is soiling itself in anger over the Russia-China alliance that they are desperate to sow division between those two nations..
Divide and Conquer is the only thing that the American Empire of Chaos can do. Kinda pathetic.
but Saker dear….the Russians have God and the Truth and the Spirit.. (in each of us) on their side…don’t forget that.
now where have i heard that before.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940318101049
TEHRAN (FNA)- Despite the US endorsement of escalation, Israel says it has no plans to start a new war on Gaza.
In recent days, there have been two spates of rocket fire from the enclave, both by the ISIL-linked Omar Brigades. Hamas is fighting against the Omar Brigades and rocket strikes reflect the group’s inability to take on Hamas directly – and their similar expectation that they could sucker Israel into doing their dirty work for them.
Still, that’s not the only reason why Israeli army commanders are not going to the war well early on:
An interesting fact is that the main MSM networks in the USA are openning up in some aspects of the War on Ukraine, most of the time with the looney claims that we are all familiar ad nauseam. This past Friday the ABC network aired a report where for the first time was shown that US troops are training Ukrainian forces, in Ukraine.
Particularly telling was that they emphasized these paratroopers were in a camp 1000 kilometers from the war theater.
That is one fact. The other is that we are waiting for a false flag event, as always somewhere in Donbass. A lot of events have already been materialized, and they quickly were debunked.
The thing that strikes me is that these American Paratroopers, working in Yavoriv, Lvov. far from the reach of the “nasty and evil Russians” could be the excuse for the next false flag event. An attack on this camp could be staged, and US Paratroopers could be the objective. Or the Canadians or British who also are becoming involved in the training of the fascist hordes.
The Russians are reaching near the European borders, killing wholesome Boy Scouts, would be the headlines.
Even if one loses a fingernail it would be the perfect excuse for greater NATO involvement, overt boots in the ground.
Sure, my speculation, but the hegemon does not mind chewing up its children, if it will
benefit the “Greater Good”, /sarcasm.
The interlocutor could be an Abrams tank, or a Javelin ATGM, or the full U.S. 173rd Airborne Brigade meeting could be somewhere in Donbass.
Although there is speculation that these guys are already “vacationing” there.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940318100858
TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Supreme Leader’s top adviser for international affairs Ali Akbar Velayati underscored on Monday that his country is keen to build closer military ties with China, welcoming Beijing to expand its naval presence worldwide.
“It is right for China, as a great power, to do that. You see the United States is also sending its military vessels everywhere. It is China’s right to send its military vessels,” Velayati said in an interview with the South China Morning Post.
He further added that the two states might conduct more port calls because of China’s growing commercial interests.
Yes, I agree with you. How about the aytollahs giving or lend-leasing a chop of Iranian territory with
a 10 mile long beach in, and 5 mile deep – right in the mouth of the Hormuz straits. Say a chinese base concession for 20 years, renewable for more 5 yrs.
They don´t need to start as a base, enough starting up as a free trade zone. All preceded by full batteries of S-400 missile toys in the neighborhood.
“if you were Lavrov or Putin – whom would you chose to talk to in the West?”
Rather simple – it’s useless talking to serfs and puppets like our politicians.
Russia should talk with the masters – british and dutch royals, Vatican and the like. Maybe just go visit them when they make that Bilderberg meeting in two weeks, all the real movers will be there.
Who would Putin talk to?
President Duda in Poland (Comes to power August 2015 mind you – so its still too early to do this formally). And Viktor Orban in Hungary for that matter. Why?
Because Putin has a deal to offer these guys if things start getting out of hand in Ukraine.
Duda might seem a rabid Russophobe – but if there’s a huge benefit for Poland in it, he might very well go along with it.
If it gets out of hand in Ukraine? Donbass, Odessa, Transcarpathia?
Cut a deal with these guys. Hungary gets Transcarpathia, Poland gets Galicia back – righting the wrongs of 1939 “Stalin”. Russia gets Novorussia – perhaps a rump of Ukraine is left around Kiev. Perhaps not. Maybe Polish & Russian troops could march into Kiev from opposite directions.
Who knows. Something like this could also split NATO down the middle.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Ukraine-growth.png
Anyway – Duda will not actually be in power for another 2 months. And if you are doing this – you obviously won’t be telling anyone. But perhaps Putin can extend an olive branch to Duda behind the scenes and maybe convince him to come to Moscow for a meeting of “peacemakers”.
Afterall – Merkel & Hollande have to some extent frozed Poland out of the Ukraine solution. Perhaps being the “bigger man” is something Putin can do to restore Polish dignity vis-a-vis Ukraine (even though Poland has very very dirty hands in Ukraine).
Hey – in times of war people can change their minds and their allies in a heartbeat.
T1, Thank you for the link about how the Russian govt is not in control of its own Central Bank. Nor is any country which is still classified by the IMF as “developing”. I was baffled as to why Russia was putting money into the Ukrainian subsidiary of its VTB bank because I didn’t realize it was linked to the “independence” of the Central Bank.
Every country in the world is now a member of the IMF except Iran, N Korea & Cuba. Because of this membership their Central Banks are said to be “independent”. That is, not controlled by their elected govts but by the international banking cabal through the IMF & the Federal Reserve.
This is the reason that Russia sometimes gives up shares of her profitable mining & manufacturing companies in order to borrow worthless paper dollars. There is no earthly reason why she cannot issue her own investment currency so long as it does not outpace the creation of goods & services. Instead she pays interest or gives up shares to obtain a paper currency with less to back it than her own currency– all because she belongs to the IMF.
Stalin refused to sign up to the IMF after WWII, and that is the real reason that the West imposed the “Iron Curtain”.
Starikov in his free online book explains how Central Banks and therefore the rate of development of nations are controlled.
http://lit.md/files/nstarikov/rouble_nationalization-the_way_to_russia%27s_freedom.pdf
“the link about how the Russian govt is not in control of its own Central Bank”
Please stop repeating that nonsense.
Also stop disseminating that Starikov nonsense about some imaginary “private FED” and such. It’s a lie sold by western governments and their minions. Starikov spreads some utterly evil disinfo there.
“3. It is not the United States of America but a private institution called
the Federal Reserve System of the USA that issues the main currency of
the world.2
Private initiative has nothing to do with it. The US dollar just
does not belong to the USA. The fact that the dollar is issued by a private
institution is even stated on the dollar bill.”
This is a bunch of bullshit if I ever saw one. NOTHING is private about the FED, the private stock ownership is strictly limited to $20k in non-transferable shares. Read the Federal Reserve Act, you are literate yourself.
Another example:
“But before that there was WWI which destroyed the golden rouble and
the golden Deutsche Mark.”
There was never such a thing as “Deutsche Mark” before 1948, nor was there anything “golden” about it.
The guy doesn’t even know the most basic historical facts and obviously doesn’t bother reading or referencing actual documents. Instead he tries to sell old and long disproved internet legends, mostly from the far right side of the “controlled opposition” spectrum.
The rest of the book is hardly even worth commenting. Less worth that toilet paper.
I should have included T1’s link.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-russian-banking-system-has-been.html
Hi Penelope. Since this is your latest entry I will comment here.
The commenter called T2015:… twice I have given the same links as you, N. Starikov’s book, the 1913 Federal Reserve Act and ‘it’ never changes the tune.
‘It’ still insists the FED is wholly owned by the US Congress …wtf?
‘It’ reads Whitehouse.gov to discover the ‘truth.
‘It’ reads the FED website and believes “we are not bankrupt we owe it to ouselves”
The higher up comment from T2015 even included the disinfo about the Bank of England,claiming it is Nationalized, it’s not!…it was until 1998.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_England
“The Bank was privately owned by stockholders from its foundation in 1694 until nationalised in 1946
In 1998, it became an independent public organisation, wholly owned by the Treasury Solicitor on behalf of the government, with independence in setting monetary policy.”
If you read the ref. to the ‘Treasury Solicitor’ this is where it becomes murky…disbursments of profits etc.
People like T2015 are very well described in Eric Hoffer’s classic 1951 book ‘The True Believer’, well worth obtaining as it also describes the psychology of mass movements like Pravy Sektor.
Twice V V P has tried to get the Duma to change the constitution,but did not succeed,in fact many refused to even attend the vote.
Back in January I posted this on The Saker,
“http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/
Conversation: Nikolai Starikov on Ukraine, Sanctions and the Ruble Collapse.
In the Q & A Starikov states quite clearly that in 2000 Vladimir Putin tried to get the State Duma to subordinate the Central Bank to the State.
They ALL! refused.
More recently his,and Fedyrov’s political party tabled legislation before the State Duma,once again removing the independence of the Central Bank,and guess what?
280 of the deputies FLED rather than vote!,no yes vote,zero no votes,not even an abstention,they just leave before the Americans sanction them. ”
cheers.
Can you please EXPLAIN the problem re Treasury Solicitor instead of just telling us it gets murky?
And instead of quoting yourself from an earlier post, how about a link or two to outside news sources for the deputies “fleeing” the Duma rather than voting?
He can’t, because he does not even understand what the solicitor’s legal status is to begin with.
Within the link I posted there are several ‘links’ the ‘Treasury Solicitor’ is a placeholder,the Government dept. that replaced that department, has several functions…. read the link for yourself, obsfucation by government is usually accomplished by bureaucratic methods.
There are more than 800 Quangos in the UK,the UK disbursement system is the way elites operate…..murky…
http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/ a feature of the NZ Saker is ‘Conversations’
The Q & A with Starikov was posted there after the ruble collapse, check their archives.
The selfquote: … the origonal comment provided the link
This came from an interview with state Duma Evgeny Fedorov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLMG0KD3rI
The Purge is coming.
possibly this one as he is discussing currency creation in the DPR/LPR
he speaks about the 5th column,Strelkovs removal and much more.
He and Starikov and V.V.P. know who they are up against,that youtube link has several others to watch……
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BTW you asked upthread about Putins authority ?……in the recent ‘President’ documentary……
When he was Prime Minister he went to Chechnya and admitted later that he was not certain he had legal authority,but it needed to be done!
Yeltsin was ill and Chechnya was/is RF.
South Ossetia had Russian peacekeepers being killed. enough said.
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If Penelope returns to this thread to read the latest offering of T2015
hopefully she will laugh to read such utter rubbish, I did.
There is no shortage of people who refuse to accept that all the financial markets are rigged,despite massive fines for Libor,FX and commodity rigging.
Of course everything is rigged. Even the discussion about the central bank is nothing but a useless disctraction, being that:
“However even though the Bank of England is now state owned its important to note that up to 97% of the UK’s money supply is privately controlled being in the form of interest bearing loans created by the big commercial banks.”
http://www.darkpolitricks.com/2013/01/who-owns-the-bank-of-england/
So what exactly is your point? What are you arguing here?
Yet again, besides your empty rambling you failed to deliver anything that would support your claims. Not even a single bit of legit proof.
I’m certain you can also laugh to death when someone shows you a finger. People laugh or cry for any reason they see fit. Still, my claims stand and I challenge you to provide ANY proof for ANY of your claims. I provided more than enough material and you’d need days to just read it,l let alone prove it. Which just proves that you never even bothered ckhecking, but opted for senseless trolling and ad-hominem attacks – typical disinfo/diversion tactics.
Your turn. Provide something substantial or shut up until you can present something real and worth discussing.
Also I’m still waiting for the constitution quotes regarding the Russian central bank. All I found in the constitution is this:
“Article 75
1. The monetary unit in the Russian Federation shall be the rouble. Money issue shall be carried out exclusively by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Introduction and issue of other currencies in Russia shall not be allowed.
2. The protection and ensuring the stability of the rouble shall be the major task of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it shall fulfil independently of the other bodies of state authority.
3. The system of taxes paid to the federal budget and the general principles of taxation and dues in the Russian Federation shall be fixed by the federal law.
4. State loans shall be issued according to the rules fixed by the federal law and shall be floated on a voluntary basis.”
Not a word about any sort of private or foreign ownership there. Feel free to enlighten me with further links to the actual laws you’ve been referring to.
Bank of England is nationalized. Here’s their own homepage, see for yourself:
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/about/Pages/default.aspx
Also here: http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/626/economics/who-owns-the-bank-of-england/
On the FED, as said all you need to do is simply read the frigging Federal Reserve Act. That’s it, no further speculation or magic required. Or enjoy this analysis here, including sources and links to original documents/laws:
https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2012/09/01/todays-creatures-from-jekyll-island/
One bit of info for you, “independent” does NOT mean private, nothing like it. Every government agency is “independent”, same goes for say social security or the post for example. You do not expect the president to run the post office himself or do you? That would be utterly ridiculous.
I won’t bother commenting the rest of the junk you posted.
One more bit about the debt to itself – it’s well documented if you can actually read and trace it yourself (though I have my doubts in your case):
https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/u-s-government-in-debt-to-itself/
Modern warfare tools made it possible to cut of the head. Leaders, the head, always ducked in hiding mode to pop up after. First thing, after, portraying themselves as leadership, leading, an remembering sacrifices. The next big one explosions will be on their head. Not on the millions tooling to keep them happy. Thy will be relieved of a curse. Reason to start a new calendar counting from zero.
“And yet, in spite of these undeniable acts, all the leaders of the G7 agreed to that ridiculous communique. What does this show?
I think that they are truly out of touch with reality and this joint communique sounds more like an incantation, a mantra, than like a workable plan with some chance of achieving a real-world result”.
They are suffering from exactly the same kind of illness Adolf Hitler was. They want to “create” their own “reality”, Hitler greatly believed in the sheer power of will alone to alter circumstances on the ground contrary to actual events taking place on the ground and the present shower of evil scum are exactly the same, if something doesn’t fit in or is contrary to their narrative just ignore it, it doesn’t exist, just like Hitler who would very often go against the sound advice of his generals.
Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first drive insane and we can see no clearer example of this idiom than watching the antics of the despicable and vile shower who call themselves the “leaders” of the west.
I bring you a quote from Fr. Viktor the hieromonk in an interview he gave :
“Is that true? What is the deeper, spiritual and eschatological meaning of namely this war?
The establishment of planetary Satanic rule. What’s occurring here is the very beginning of a global war. Not for resources or territory, that’s secondary. This is a war for the destruction of true Christianity, Orthodoxy. The worldview of the wealthiest men who own almost all the material goods in the world is Satanism. Having summoned the elements of the First and Second World Wars and a Third Information War, and having laid hundreds of millions of the slain at the altar of their father, Satan, they have initiated the Fourth World War. They are intentionally hastening the reign of Antichrist – an order offensive to God, in which man is not the image and likeness of the Creator of worlds visible and invisible, but a biomass programmed through information and directed through virtual bank digits, subject at any moment to annihilation”.
These psychopathic scum who lead the west are satanic to the core and they have underwritten their own destruction just like Hitler did.
The fatal mistake and schizophrenic russian foreign policy.Moscow sould take part in Minsk truce.only like guarantor and ONLY if take part and the representative of Nonorossija.Its a civil war ,and must negotiate only parties whIch involved.Putin with Minsk 2 make the same mistakes like Milosevits in Dayton 2 truce.West after dissolve USSR -Jugoslavia,try now to dissolve Russia Federation.Washington has now blackmailing the Kremlin “hot war”, in parallel, through its European political puppets offering a “peaceful solution.
Only solution Moscow to support Novorossija in order to achieve unconditional military and political victory to be able to conduct peaceful talks with Ukraine.
I’d take my chances with “Flamby” (AKA: Hollande) because he definitely is the weak link, though there’s no strong link so to speak in teh UE.
Please everybody leave it at that. Do not start any slanging matches about who is right or wrong. Two main contributors have had their say and their right of reply. Enough references have been provided for readers to check and make up their own minds, and I recommend that they do so, if they are interested enough.
Everyone by now surely understands the main point, which is that the central banks often do not act in the best interests of their own country. We hope and expect that this is soon to change, once the multi-polar world comes into being. Calling each other names here won’t advance that cause, so please don’t do it.
Actually only one side provided links to actual documents and legal references, but I thankfully accept. It bothers me to argue with people who provide nothing but hot air to support their claims. I only try to make that little fact visible.
The question is, what IS the best interest of the country and what does the term “country” refer to? As it seems, the “country” is in reality the ruling elites. In that sense, the central banks can not do anything else but to act in the interest of the ruling “elites”, ergo the “country” (in legalese terms).
Language is a bi*ch, and legalese is a foreign language by all means, often meaning the opposite of what the common meaning would suggest.
@ T2015 — the mostly anonymous commenter has put some of his replies onto /karelia-the-unknown-hotspot-of-the-new-cold-war/
@ Anonymous — Do not move a discussion onto another article halfway through. It just confuses everyone, splits the conversation, and then you complain? There are still people commenting on this one, so make up your mind. Also please pick one name and stick to it, so people who asked you something know it is you giving them a response. Thank you for the links.
“Everyone by now surely understands the main point, which is that the central banks often do not act in the best interests of their own country. We hope and expect that this is soon to change, once the multi-polar world comes into being.”
Sorry, just went to the end of this thread and made pickup here.
A multi-polar world would make not one jot of a difference so that hope is misplaced.
Russia is no different to the West in this respect – they are a Capatilist society with their own set of ruling elite Oligarchs. While that group most likely have some nationalist sympathies their over-riding motivation is toward helping themselves – not Russia (in the same way US Oligarch’s don’t give a rats arse about how many millions are on food stamps or how many live under motorway fly overs i.e. why would those “Americans” not be anything other than disenfranchised with “America” – nationalism is truly an infantile disease.
You really need to rethink this multi-polar world idea. A multi-polar Capatilist world will help nothing. It is highly likely, with technology/speed of information flow, that the elite are (if they have not already done so) transforming into a global elite – nationalism / multipolarism are low on their motivation list (unless it is to motivate their masses toward their own bidding).
Just because there is nobody worth talking to in the West doesn’t mean Putin doesn’t talk to them. He says he is willing to talk to anybody, as long as they get their heads out of their a**es and talk sensibly (paraphrased heavily, here). It’s not as if he has a choice of interlocutors, because Western countries keep electing idiots for leaders and they are all he has to deal with. I credit him for the patience to deal with everybody, though. Like Teddy Roosevelt supposedly said, “speak softly and carry a big stick.”
En la legislación de mi país a este tipo de gente se les diagnostica como “interdictos”, y se les controla para que no tomen decisiones vitales. Por lo tanto, el medico y controladores deberán ser el resto de los países, para que no hundan el barco
Tr: The legislation of my country such people are diagnosed as “incapable” and are controlled not to make critical decisions. Therefore, the doctors should be the drivers also in other countries, so they do not sink the boat.
Saker,
Don’t confuse propaganda and posturing with what and how the geo-actors of the western alliance think. They are lying, obfuscating and above all ‘acting’ out well scripted parts, but they are not stupid. The question is the discernment and creation of ‘which’ reality?
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”
Jack Condor
The West is a fully unified bloc with a single set of hidden TRUE rulers (the most significant of whom is Tony Blair). Every current apparent leader of each nation in the West is a low ranking puppet- none more-so than Obama, with perhaps Cameron coming a close second. Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch and George Soros sit far closer to the high-table than Merkel or Obama.
Likewise, the Russian bloc is unified too, only Putin is both the visible and actual head of this bloc. However, Putin is far more hands-off than most her realise, leaving most significant foreign policy decisions to those that sit on his ‘small council’.
Putin speaks to his ‘equals’ that actually head the West bloc on a regular basis (Tony Blair has been the closest ally to Putin since Putin first rose to power, and Blair personally shielded Putin form the negative consequences of his actions during the early years of Putin’s rule).
But the bloodiest ‘games’ in Human History have always been those between people who otherwise considered themselves as ‘brothers’ and ‘equals’. Recall how Britain was ruled by GERMAN monarchs during its two great wars with Germany in the 20th Century. Jingoism is a nonsense used to rabble-rouse ordinary people. At the very top concepts like ‘racism’ literally have no meaning.
So we literally watch as a real-world ‘Game of Thrones’ develops around us. Powerful people who couldn’t care less about the ordinary person manoeuvring against one another, with not a care that such plays can and will lead to smaller wars laying the ground to another World War. Indeed the elites are universally agreed (just as was the case before WW1 and WW2) that the Earth’s population would benefit from a major cull.
The Kremlin has just forced its stooge leaders in Novorussia to declare Crimea part of Ukraine (read that again- and then gasp at the implications). Putin has insisted Novorussia formally recognise Crimea as belonging to Kiev, in order to give total servitude to Minsk 2, just after the leaders of the G7 promised to keep sanctions against Russia, and magnify them under any pretext. Just after America began the process to steal the Football World Cup from Russia.
The neo-Nazi attacks on Novorussia grown ever more emboldened, as the voice of ordinary suffering in Novorussia is ever more silenced in the mainstream and alternative press. While Putin provides Russian special forces that can easily smash any significant build-up of neo-Nazi armour by Novorussia, that armour firstly gets to inflict unthinkable atrocity on our people. And the defenders of Novorussia are forced to sit on their hands until Moscow gives the word that the attacking armour can finally be smashed.
I assume the people visiting here have been following events from the beginning, and read all kinds of analysis promising a rapid solution if only we’d all sit back and allow Putin’s advisor’s to have their way. So let me ask you all- what do you now think of the situation, and its hopes for the future?
By forcing Novorussia to legally recognise Crimea as part of Ukraine, Putin makes it clear Novorussia will never be allowed its independence. The message to the people of Novorussia is thus terrifying and utterly depressing. Moscow is prepared to turn Novorussia into another Gaza. An horrific free-fire buffer zone between two political entities, where no permanent solution is ever sought, and the suffering of the residents is of zero concern to either party.
Israel works as the closest ally with the very worst Gulf States (like Saudi Arabia) even though those Muslim nations ‘support’ Palestinians in Gaza. You are told by the usual manipulators this cannot be so because of the ‘contradiction’. Likewise Russia works with the West as the closest ally in all kinds of projects across the planet (America’s war in Afghanistan would not have been possible without Russia’s constant logistic support, and Russia and America are ‘brothers’ on the International Space Station). Russia voted at the UN to allow America’s Holocaust in Yemen only a few months back. Yet Russia and the West genuinely face off in Ukraine.
The idea that Putin has no-one to talk to in the West is for the consumption of gullible fools. Like I said, this is a ‘Game of Thrones’ where people who consider themselves equal, and frequently sit at the same ‘table’ are likewise considering major war against one another- just as has happened in Human History time and time again, and happened twice in the 20TH Century, giving us the two most murderous military conflicts ever.
A lot of this makes fundamental sense although, I think, it’s difficult to identify the real ruling individuals.
I would have thought the “real rulers” do not wish the type of work that Blair, for example, does.
re: “The Kremlin has just forced its stooge leaders in Novorussia to declare Crimea part of Ukraine”
Do you have a link?
try this http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/dpr-and-lpr-agree-to-recognize-crimea.html/em>
hmm – not good.
Your link had some unintended trailing characters.
Here it is corrected http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/dpr-and-lpr-agree-to-recognize-crimea.html
“Tony Blair has been the closest ally to Putin since Putin first rose to power, and Blair personally shielded Putin form the negative consequences of his actions during the early years of Putin’s rule). “
Interesting! but a reliable link would be even more interesting.
As for Thrones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4
Has any one ever seen this? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psGXgF8dCQI and the rest of it? Russian General Konstantin P. Petrov
Watching now — fascinating!
Thanks for the link!
Found some interesting forks and links through your linked video — lots of things to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C42Ql7IJHCc&index=23&list=PL1up3ffLQR3OHLbth4tfRBfoOWjEIYMC7
http://www.yourepeat.com/g/fursov
Hi blue, it is fascinating to say the least. I will have a look at your links too. I was hoping to hear Mr Saker’s opinion on this? It is a lot to take in!
Hi blue, it is fascinating to say the least. I will have a look at your links too. I was hoping to hear Mr Saker’s opinion on this? It is a lot to take in!
They’re not clueless: they’re lying.
dear T2015/Anonymous
I do agree with you that my comments do not make sense to you “Zero”. Hence the more it doesn’t make sense to you and kind the more chance are for finale. Moreover I have a question for you all as follows:
Who should pay the price of what it is created by the Europeans and the WEST? They destroyed many Eastern Countries,and the Latin American, and the American Indian, and the Africans and the many more. Looted them, plundered them, rape them, etc. etc. etc. Where were you guys were, the so called great Western Civilization( i don’t know what is so great abt it, really)?
Just my 2 cents to you all who doesn’t want to do introspection, the dance of the NW would be in your Yard and BackYard and frontYard. It is not a rambling, it is my observation… Wake up, stand up, and stand up for the awakening.
Does it make sense??? May be not…. :(
Regds
Chao, Sanjay
Sanjay
totally off topic but HUGE fire near KIEV — fuel depot explosion —
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11661629/Gigantic-explosion-at-fuel-depot-near-Kiev-kills-several-firefighters.html
good video of explosion in this article — fire started in one storage tank a day ago, and it spread. Airfield with ammunition dump across the street, took them a day to secure that. Sabotage suspected, but by “business competitors” or Kiev, for a change…..
Not to be left out, Estonia arranged a rare metals factory chemical fire also on Tuesday, this one apparently the result of careless welding….
http://rt.com/news/266077-estonia-fire-plant-toxic/
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/ecologist-berlin-may-get-ukrainian-acid.html
Ecologist: Berlin may get Ukrainian acid rain from a massive oil depot fire
June 9, 2015
Translated by Kristina Rus
According to preliminary data several dozen thousand tons of oil was burned near Kiev, costing several hundred million UAH.
Obozrevatel.com
The cause of the fire at the oil depot in Vasylkov district in Kiev region – is a lack of necessary inspections. This was stated by the director of the Kiev Ecological and Cultural Center, Vladimir Boreyko.
“We have to thank our dear Arseniy Yatsenyuk, for his idea to ban inspections.
…
There was also an explosion at a Bulgarian military plant 3 days ago which killed an American and seriously wounded another American, a Canadian and two Bulgarians.
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-citizen-killed-in-Bulgaria-military-plant-explosion-405232
The key to the text revolves around commitments to “International Financial Institutions”. Everything else is irrelevant and all roads lead to those institutions.
Think of whom who has benefitted from war and with whom has offered protection of assets to the President.
I also vaguely recall a quote from a mother about wars not being required if her sons decided so. It is all about Mamon, oops, I mean Money.
Thanks for this analysis.
I did comment before on why Westerners rely on threats, and Russians don’t: It has to do with the Papist inquisition, when the “accused” was shown the instruments of torture at their disposal, in the hope that he shall confess, without them having to be used. The Orthodox church doesn’t know an Inquisition, it relies on the believer’s conscience and honesty.
So the threat ritual is a routine manoeuver for Western politicians, but not for Putin, which has lead to some gross misunderstandings, when Putin declared that if Russia wanted to invade the Ukraine, his troops would be in Kiev in 2 days (“Putin threatens to invade Ukraine within the next 48 hours”). What he meant of course was that if you don’t see the Russian army parading through Kiev right now, this means that they never wanted that.
The reverse is true for the West. I am referring to the discussion about that WSWS article, that Washington is about to nuke Russia. Actually the article says something else, and in a subsequent discussion it was made clear that they were merely quoting a US official.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/06/08/proy-j08.html
This is the prime argument why the hole “Threat” strategy does not work: At least you should be able to back up your threats with credibility to actually make them happen. But of course no sane person would advise the US to attack Russia with nuclear weapons. And the Russians know that too, of course, and take it as seriously as they have to.
Whom would you chose to talk to in the West? No one ! The elites of the G7 = NWO
The world politics and global economy is run by transnational elites whose aim is to make it easier for multinational corporations to dominate the dollarised global economy. What they promote is free trade and the opening of all markets so that the multinational corporations will be able to sell more and more of their crap products (Nafta, transpacific free trade, TTIP, EUROZONE, EU ). This is a disaster for all working people around the world as we can see from the sweat shops around Asia, the disintegrating economies of Africa, the collapsing economies of the Southern European countries. Only the super rich elites benefit together with an upper middle class of 15-20% in every country.
These elites do not care about the people of their respective countries. They do not care about american or german national interests or about the well being of their citizens and workers etc. They just use USA (or NATO) military might as a proxy to promote their plans towards global government and a globalised free trade economy. Sovereign nation states could not survive in this environment and they are being dismantled as sovereign entities.
Russia is maybe the last strong sovereign country that is an obstacle to global government, even though it is somewhat integrated into Global economy and is definitely weaker than USSR.
Russia needs to disconnect from globalised economy and create a more self-sufficient economy with mutual trade with countries that resist NWO (such as Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia etc) and BRICS. A new ideology is also needed that will be in support of sovereignty, self sufficiency, welfare state, traditional values etc.
Otherwise, sooner or later Russia will be forced to surrender to NWO ….
“Russia will be forced to surrender to NWO ….”
The Russian elite already hold dome of the highest of offices therein.
Why on earth would they not – they are spawned from the same Capitalist system.
A quick summary showing the sanctions are working.
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/607892648460972032
I disagree there is no-one in the West for Putin or Lavrov to talk with. Bepe Grillo for one, for another the present leaders of Greece, the Pope. And, last but not least, Dominic Strauss Khan as well as those he speaks with. Off the top of my head.
Sociopath’s all. Your commentary pretty much hits the nail on the head I would say. These sociopath’s think that they can create their own reality. They could care less about discerning objective reality. That’s the profile of a sociopath. That’s a defining characteristic of their nature.
Here’s a great quote from a sociopath in Bush Jr’s government that explains the mindset perfectly. Sound familiar? Reminds me of the pronouncements coming from Poroshenko and company as well as the rest of their empire lackey brethren:
In 2004, former Wall Street Journal reporter and author Ron Suskind wrote in The New York Times Magazine:
“In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn’t like about Bush’s former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House’s displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn’t fully comprehend – but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
“The aide said that guys like me were ‘in what we call the reality-based community,’ which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’ I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ‘That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he continued. ‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'”
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/wagenknecht-community-of-values-data.html
a real lashing speech e G7-brill
gonna post it on latest Saker bit too………
There is anyone with power AND reason in the West?
Saker, change “divulge” in the first line to “delve.”
As for “a lot of Russian political figures saying: that the intellectually quality of American officials has fallen dramatically”–they are exaggerating. Maybe they did not look at the American officially closely before….
Fair comment. Merkel has been a disaster. Schroeder or Schmidt or Kohl would have been so much better, and Genscher would have dealt with matters consummately.
On June 12th until June 13th 2015 the Moscow Institute of Scientific Information on Social Sciences (INION) had a massive fire that destroyed approximately two millions books of it’s rare, unique, library. This means that access to this massive, one of a kind library, is wide open to any professional thieves interested for months of summer weather. In Cologne, Germany a more thorough library devastation occurred in 2012, I believe. That old stone library housed books, records going back two thousand years. The subway being dug under it (Such a project in the ancient city of Cologne right under Germany’s most important historical archive is not something any German city or citizen would allow!) and the venerable stone building collapsed destroying most of it’s contents.
Both of these tragedies underscore a fact of the US war empire; it is replacing and/or stealing, burning or bombing social historical records everywhere it finds them, these last two being the most difficult to eliminate as they are in parts of Europe vital to US identity, and not at war, yet. The false flag US war in Ukraine is the American effort to bring enough chaos to Europe to be able to begin the identity transformation the US world war empire is bent on accomplishing before the oceans rise. The United States Ukraine government coup was key to the elimination of Russia as the US sees itself melding with China before many years later, bringing China down to pure obedience by using interactive brain chips in it’s newborn infant’s sculls. Such chips are being tested and perfected in the European Union now. Previously this was done on US prisoners, the main reasons US prisons were privatized, Quantanimo never closed.
Desperation set in after the US/EU sanctions, each an act of war merely forced Russia to meld with her natural Asian partner, China. Her ancient European partner is Germany whose borders at one time touched Russia’s. Therefore it might be cool for President Putin to talk at length with his German counterparts about this fire in Moscow last weekend. The research book “Global War on Liberty” in translation from the French “La fin de L’Etat de droit” by Jean-Claude Paye would give the parameters of the world changes being exquisitely carefully planned for.
If you will note that the US unleashed and made up war on a human emotion, terror, has effectively unlocked secrets by the trillions which are being being computerised after which they will be deleted, the originals burned. Human identity is to be remade, it’s former version erased.
Wrong date? the INION fire was January 31 – Feb 1. Link please if you know of a more recent one.
Dear Saker,
I think you got the question absolutely wrong.
For it should not be “to whom they speak in the West”; rather, it should be “what they ought to tell the West”.
And it is really irrelevant what the Novorussians did (or did not do).
The Russian leaders, for their part, should have been emphasizing at every possible opportunity that:
1. they will not let themselves be schooled on international law by those who bombed Yugoslavia, who invaded and occupied Iraq, who train, arm and otherwise support anti-government fighters in Syria… [fill in more Western crimes as appropriate];
2. according to “the Western standards of international law” and with respect to the number of refugees, they now have the right to bomb all of Ukraine in order to make the Kievan government withdraw its armed forces out of Novorussia.