Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov
Igor Strelkov’s Briefing, June 23, 2014, 12:40
Original: Icorpus.ru
In the course of the night from June 22-23, the enemy continued to build up its forces in the area of the river crossing across Severskiy Donets, near the villages of Krivaya Luka and Ilyichovka.
In the village of Krivaya Luka, the punitive squads of the enemy were evicting some of the population from their own homes and forbid the rest to go beyond the limits of their households. Several dozens of “BMD”, “BMDR” and “BTR” armoured vehicles have been concentrated in the village, along with large numbers of infantry.
In the area of Ilyichovka, tanks and artillery have arrived. As a result, [the enemy] is near completing the formation of the strike group aimed against Slavyansk and Lisichansk.
According to the available information, a guerilla unit attacked a column of enemy APCs [Armoured Personnel Carriers] at the border of the Kharkov and Donetsk oblasts, to the north of the Dolina settlement. In the course of a brief battle, two APCs were hit. Despite the high level of training demonstrated by the by the enemy soldier, the guerillas were able to escape encirclement and leave without losses.
Igor Strelkov’s Short Briefing, June 23, 2014, 13:24
Original: Icorpus.ru
Last night, our separate guerilla unit attacked the enemy in the area of the Dolina settlement. Two APCs were hit using grenade launchers, and, through automatic weapons’ fire, losses were inflicted on the paratrooper spetsnaz [travelling] atop the armoured [vehicle]. Despite the desperate attempts by the enemy (which demonstrate resilience uncharacteristic to common Ukie infantry) to overtake and destroy [our] squad, the unit was able to leave without any losses.
Apart from the two above-mentioned APCs, this brave unit also claimed one “BMP” armoured vehicle (hit at a checkpoint near the Yatskoye settlement), one “Ural” truck (destroyed in an ambush) and one Hummer (blown up with a landmine on the same highway).
The enemy continues to concentrate its forces in the region of Krivaya Luka – Ilyichevka. The columns of the enemy engage in continuous maneuvers, in an attempt to conceal the transfer here of equipment and men intended for an attack either in the direction of Slavyansk or of Severesk-Lisichansk (or against both targets – the force is sufficient).
“Fresh” Su-25 ground attack craft and FAB-500SH bombs have arrived at the Mariupol airport. Apparently, these are intended for the “ultimate pacification” of Donbass which to follow June 27th. Around Slavyansk (on the western and northern directions, from which, apparently, there will be no decisive attack) the enemy has installed sweeping combination minefields, made up of uncontrolled antipersonnel landmines of various modification (primarily OZM-72). There are already casualties among the locals.
Igor Strelkov’s Report, June 23, 2014, 13:30
Original: Icorpus.ru
I am confirming the delivery to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk of cargo from the Social Movement “The Battle for Donbass” and from an internet publication “Angry Russians”:
– heat imagers Pulsar HD38S – 10 items (together with external power sources EPS3 – 10 items)
– binoculars Pulsar Expert LRF 8×40 – 10 items
– sniper suits Wood Ghillie – 6 items
– radio headsets – 27 items
– various backpacks – 3 items
– facial makeup, coloured, ACU/ABU for snipers – 2 items
– sleeping carpets for snipers – 8 items
– steel helmets, made in the USSR – 200 items
– camouflage suites “Berezka” – 200 items
– automatic rifle magazines – 500 items
From myself and from the name of the DPR [Donetsk People’s Republic] Militia – our deepest and most heartfelt gratitude! As well, the shipment and the delivery of the cargo was effected by “Strelkov’s Spetsnaz” (and, personally, Comrade Zmey).
Briefing from Igor Strelkov, June 23, 2014, 17:21
Original: Strelkov Info
An artillery exchange took place today in the area of Staraya Krasnyanka (between Rubzhnoye and Kremennaya). On one side, there were the mortar units of Mozgovoi, and on the other – the Ukie artillery. We sustained no losses, the casualties of the enemy are being confirmed.
All other fronts remained calm. The enemy froze. Both sides continue intensively entrenching positions and preparing for future battles.
Briefing from Igor Strelkov, June 23, 2014, 19:28
Original: Strelkov Info
Q: Igor Ivanovich, I understand that are keeping to Kutuzov’s approach. Isn’t it time to start acting like Zhukov?
A: Are you talking about the tactic he used at Rzhev, where hundreds of thousands of our soldiers perished in 1942? Sorry, but we cannot boast the same manpower reserves!
Q: Igor Ivanovich, how do you think the negotiations, currently ongoing in Donetsk, will end? No result, as usual?
A: I don’t know. I am waiting for information. We will not capitulate. Nor will they: they have painted themselves into a corner by blatantly lying and are entrapped (just like Goebbels) by their own propaganda – stopping the war now will mean that they have to face a new “Maidan,” and then it’s unlikely that they will retain power. In other words, they face a classic “zugzwang” – any move will makes their positions worse and leads to defeat. The problem for them is that it’s their turn … I hope that our diplomats understand this. Except, of course, Zurabov – that one is a real “braniac” … he could do everything strictly in reverse.
Don’t k now what to make of these 2 articles, although they are over 3 weeks apart. Also something could be lost in translation.
On Donbass came a large group of volunteers from Russia and the modern means of arms!
What warned patriots, it happened. Russia blocked the border with Ukraine in Rostov region
Does anyone still believe in that ‘ceasefire boondoggle’ BS after reading this?
“Last night, our separate guerilla unit attacked the enemy in the area of the Dolina settlement. Two APCs were hit using grenade launchers, and, through automatic weapons’ fire, losses were inflicted on the paratrooper spetsnaz [travelling] atop the armoured [vehicle]. Despite the desperate attempts by the enemy (which demonstrate resilience uncharacteristic to common Ukie infantry) to overtake and destroy [our] squad, the unit was able to leave without any losses.”
I wonder where the banderivtsy got these guys from.
“Fresh” Su-25 ground attack craft and FAB-500SH bombs have arrived at the Mariupol airport. Apparently, these are intended for the “ultimate pacification” of Donbass which to follow June 27th.”
Fresh from Poland? Who has extra stocks of these aircraft? Or are they refurbished Ukrainian derelicts?
I seriously doubt the negotiations are anything other than an attempt by the zionazis to buy their death squads time to set up a new offensive.
Again, with great research and his exellent talent to put so many details into an easily readable form, Andrew points out many of the events in Georgia that parallele what we see today in Ukraine and Novorossia.
The 2008 war in Georgia had seemingly put an end – or a halt – on NATO’s eastward expansion. Russia had – after 18 years of NATO expansion – finally drawn a line in the sand over how much it was willing to put up with. It was clear, then, that a similar process with Ukraine, a much larger and more strategically significant country than Georgia, was sure to incur a military response from Russia. If anything, the only surprise is that Russia’s military response has been so minimal, comparatively speaking; at least, for the time being. But as this process continues in response to Ukraine’s crisis, and as NATO and the U.S. military, the EU and the IMF accelerate their advance eastward, future conflict is seemingly all but inevitable.
By: Andrew Gavin Marshall
The West Marches East, Part 2: Georgia Starts a War, Russia Draws a Line
I call this one a must read.
@ вот так
Given the umpteenth twitter update I just made about resumed shelling of Semyonovka, Rubezhnoye, Lisichansk, etc. by Ukrainian troops, the persistent serious firefights, and the continued transfer of heavy Ukrainian armour into the military theatre, I am of the opinion that the ceasefire never actually started (and never will).
I think the militia realize as much – there are also reports of an explosion at the Lugansk airport and militia fighters were noted to be gathering around the airport earlier in the day.
It’s also interesting to note that DPR quickly cooled everyone’s horses (both among the Ukrainian and the Russian media) by saying that the so-called “negotiations” were nothing of the sort – they were merely “consultations.” While a ceasefire until 10am on June 27th has been, technically, agreed to, Borodai also underscored the following:
Before there can be any “peace negotiations” whatsoever, Ukraine must:
(1) fulfill the 7-point plan presented by Oleg Tsarev today (I don’t have a copy – it may be that they are keeping it confidential for now); and,
(2) bring to Donbass an official delegation, not some has-been failed President (the latter part is my own interpretation, but I think that’s exactly what Borodai was thinking).
By the way, here is how Donetsk residents said “come again soon” to Kuchma today: https://t.co/Msy7iwBTs1
Finally, looks like there was some fighting in Mariupol today. In all, it appears the ceasefire is stillborn.
Dear The Saker,
I thought this stood out:
“We will not capitulate. Nor will they: they have painted themselves into a corner by blatantly lying and are entrapped (just like Goebbels) by their own propaganda – stopping the war now will mean that they have to face a new “Maidan,” and then it’s unlikely that they will retain power. In other words, they face a classic “zugzwang” – any move will makes their positions worse and leads to defeat. The problem for them is that it’s their turn … I hope that our diplomats understand this. Except, of course, Zurabov – that one is a real “braniac” … he could do everything strictly in reverse.”
Sums it up. Bit tired what does he mean about Zurabov?
Also agree with BOT TAK that the negotiations are smoke and mirrors :(.
Rgds,
Veritas
Evidence Ukrarmy shooting humanitarian convoy during ceasefire at #Izvarino 22/6/14 #Donetsk #Slavyansk #Ukraine http://youtu.be/RhFvWBEKMWk
In the grand scheme of life the following might be of interest [and/or off topic];
How NATO organized invasion of Iraq
Countries may break up, but oil companies unite…
“They told me, ‘Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.’ so I snapped it off.”
And here is what happens during this so-called ceasefire:
Ukraine’s Shelling During #Ceasefire Leaves One Woman Dead, One Wounded, a Mine Without Electricity
Information from Local Residents, June 24, 2014, 02:00
Original: http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_4051
Around midnight, artillery shelling of the outskirts of Privoliye with the use of howitzers commenced from the direction of Staraya Krasnyanka. About 13 explosions could be heard … my 5-month-old baby was woken up by these explosions … In Privoliye an electrical substation was blown up, there is no light in the mine [as a result.] At the “Privolnyanka” mine – one woman was killed, one wounded. Electrical power to the mine has been interrupted. People were taken out through the reserve exit.
At the time, it is quiet in Privoliye. Those closer to “Privolnyanka” mine have no electricity. At the “Kapustina” mine everything is fine. Light has appeared in that part of the town. Could it be true that the mine itself was targeted? I am getting the impression that their goal is to destroy infrastructure.
Dear Gleb Bazov,
thank you for your great contributions.
I am an oldfashioned Christian, who believes spiritual wars materialize on Earth. Cruel as they are, they are only reflections of what really happens.
When you inform people all around this globe we call Earth, you make a difference. We start thinking and make up our minds. Do not underestimate the value of your contributions.
All the best.
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“I seriously doubt the negotiations are anything other than an attempt by the zionazis to buy their death squads time to set up a new offensive.”
Yup.
Dammit.
But *if* Tusk’s government falls, and/or *if* Sikorsky is seriously disgruntled (in which case expect Annie A. to return stateside in the very near future), things could possibly change. Otoh, the Americans and Israelis and Lithuanians and… will still be there. If Shell Oil has pulled out, maybe Chevron will too — and China and Monsanto both have interests there also, Archer-Daniels-Midland also, I believe: it will be interesting to see if any of them decide to cut their losses also.
Description of FAB-500 SH bombs:
http://www.cat-uxo.com/#/fab-500-shn-bomb/4583686415
Sure as day is light – this meeting means nothing, and will change nothing. But…
Do you remember how hunta claimed they would not negotiate with the “terrorists”? and now they do.
This fact alone is significant.
N-V
Well off topic, but…
The Saker advocates open source computing..
Here is an article advocating open source intelligence gathering and governance…
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jun/19/open-source-revolution-conquer-one-percent-cia-spy
Yes, the Guardian is viewed as an establishment gatekeeper by some, but this article makes a lot of sense…
AS do the speeches of Vladimir Putin, to those who look to source rather than innuendo to gain a Russian perspective.
DavidKNZ
Депутат Рады: Мы имеем войну с монголоидной расой, фашистской Россией (MP: We have a war with Mongoloid race, fascist Russia)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/6/23/692462.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/vz.ru/news/2014/6/23/692462.html
“Deputy of the Supreme Rada Ivan Stoyko at the session of the Parliament said that his country is at war with the Mongoloid race” and “fascist Russia”.
“Today we have a war with the Mongoloid race, fascist Russia, which goes like grasshoppers, to Ukraine, to destroy our country, our nation,” – said Firmly on the Rada meeting on Friday, reports the RT…”
This by a jailhouse bitch who is proud of his role being a prostitute to his zionazi masters.
automatic underground
we all have to choose which side to be on now. we have to get organized within our own lives in terms of food, shelter, arms and communications. the internet will be attacked and censored in the ‘free’ west. we are the automatic underground. we have to study mao, che, sun tzu, jesus . . . all the authors, artists, musicians . . . scientists, poets . . . we must learn how to farm the land, how to shoot and kill . . . how to love, live and die in a new way . . . all support to the anti-fascist resistance! all support to novorossia!
from nazi occupied amerika
ЛНР: Украинские военные ведут артобстрел на севере региона (LNR: Ukrainian military are shelling in Northern region)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/6/24/692472.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/news/2014/6/24/692472.html
“Ukrainian army to bombard the city freely in the North of Lugansk region, said on Tuesday the representative of the press service of the Luhansk people’s self-proclaimed Republic.
“Fire from a large caliber guns for about an hour is for Free”, – said the interlocutor of RIA of “news”.
According to him, in the area of fire no militias and shells explode in the private sector. Data on victims no, but aware of ruined structures, said the representative of Lugansk Republic.
Later in the press-service LNR reported that when the shelling of the city Privolnoye resulted in casualties and wounded, flooded coal mine. “Until now, is under fire from artillery, including large-caliber. In particular, apply tools of “acacia” and “Nona”, – said the Agency interlocutor.
“Among the civilians killed and wounded… Yet known that a woman killed in the shelling and one wounded”, – he added.
The representative of the press service also said that the attack was broken work of mine “Privolnjanskaja” (state company WTI crude oil). “Destroyed the machine shop and electric substation. Mine stopped working… now is the flooding of the mine, as it is the collapse of electric substation. By the morning of mine, most likely, will be flooded. But people from the zone of the face, could be put”, – he said…”
The banderivtsy interpret “cease fire/truce” from a page of the playbook of their zionazis masters. IE: you must stop your shooting, but we will be free to shoot you whenever we want to.
A very big PRISON is hastily being built in NIKOLAEV… I wonder if this is part of ‘PEACE PLAN B’.
Good luck – Saker, Auslander and Strelkov. We support you.
Post WWII Australia took in many refugees from East Europe. I became Russian via marriage and every year in March our grandchildren proudly wear Russian costumes to celebrate ‘Harmony Day’. I want them to continue to be proud of their heritage, however the Australia Govt and media (Murdoch and Fairfax) are demonising everything Russian. (A mockery of harmony!)
I have written letters of outrage to them… but sadly don’t expect a reply.
A very big PRISON is hastily being built in NIKOLAEV… I wonder if this is part of ‘PEACE PLAN B’.
Good luck – Saker, Auslander and Strelkov. We support you.
Post WWII Australia took in many refugees from East Europe. I became Russian via marriage and every year in March our grandchildren proudly wear Russian costumes to celebrate ‘Harmony Day’. I want them to continue to be proud of their heritage, however the Australia Govt and media (Murdoch and Fairfax) are demonising everything Russian. (A mockery of harmony!)
I have written letters of outrage to them… but sadly don’t expect a reply.
No one ever thinks about the water. Or the toilet paper, as it were…
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June 24, 2014
Undisclosed location
No one ever thinks about the water. Or the toilet paper, as it were.
But these are among the many, many staples that become luxuries when one’s nation is in crisis.
Hours ago, the local gas company in Kiev (Kyivenergo) announced that they would be shutting off the hot water supply to most of the city.
While the official reason for the hot water shutoff is that Kyivenergo (the energy supplier to Kiev) owes a debt to the Ukrainian state gas company (Naftogaz) of over $100 million.
It’s just a quirky little coincidence that this debt suddenly became materially important only one week after Russia shut off natural gas supplies to Ukraine.
Funny thing is that Ukrainian politicians for years had been telling people not to worry about this.
You see, Ukraine has its own domestic natural gas supplies. And they tell people that the domestic gas is strictly for the people and their utilities (like hot water).
Russian gas, according to this story, is imported for businesses to use. But that domestic gas is sacrosanct, only for the people.
Clearly this turned out to be a big fat lie.
Bear in mind, it was just a few weeks ago that utility companies announced that the price of cold water would jump from 3.18 hryvnas per cubic meter to 6.22– a 95% increase, practically overnight.
So there’s an entire city now taking cold showers… and paying twice the price for the privilege! Insult. Injury.
I have several Ukrainian employees with family still in the country; they’re telling me how their loved ones are now finally starting to look at their options to get out of dodge.
It’s strange when you think about it– war, revolution, inflation, etc. All of that was OK. Cold showers?!?! “Honey pack the bags, it’s time to leave.”
I jest of course; all of this is accumulated pain that eventually culminates in reaching one’s breaking point… especially when a rational look into the future suggests this situation will not resolve itself anytime soon.
You know the outlook isn’t so great right now because Ukraine’s Vice Premier Minister is telling people that they can survive the -winter- (still months away) without Russian gas imports.
While I’m sure everyone appreciates the ‘turn that frown upside down’ approach, they’d probably just rather take a hot shower and not be lied to about the nation’s ability to sustain shrinkage.
A few key lessons I wanted to pull out of this:
1. Politicians always lie. They will tell you that your nation is stronger than it really is, that your country is prepared for whatever may come, that your benefits will never be cut, etc.
And even though they may be well-intentioned, these are not promises that can be kept… especially by a nation in crisis.
2. A nation in crisis affects just about everything. It’s not just about numbers and data, or even Molotov cocktails. It’s hot water and toilet paper. It’s food on the shelves. It’s the stuff we all take for granted that suddenly doesn’t function anymore.
3. Even though the obvious warning signs are there, most people wait until it’s too late (or at least suboptimal) before considering their options.
When you wait until a full blown crisis, you have to rush through critical decisions in haste instead of planning things out slowly, rationally.
Rational people have a plan B because we all have a breaking point. Do you know what you would do if you reached yours?
Until tomorrow,
Simon Black
Senior Editor, SovereignMan.com
Zero Hedge reports that hot water has been turned off in Kyev and that the cold stuff has risen in price by 95%.Now that basic neccessities are accessible only for the wealthy how long will it be before the uke army is required to put down an uprising in Kyev itself
Zero Hedge reports that hot water has been turned off in Kyev and that the cold stuff has risen in price by 95%.Now that basic neccessities are accessible only for the wealthy how long will it be before the uke army is required to put down an uprising in Kyev itself
Poroshenko declares a ceasefire (yet doesn’t cease fire) so that later if the Novorossians launch an offensive or, more importantly, the Russians intervene, the fascists can say they were attacked during a ‘ceasefire’. That is what the western media will report and attempt to demonise Russia.
The psychopaths in Kiev and Virginia would know Russia would be aware of this and would hope that it would inhibit Russia from intervening while they level cities and towns.
The article from Andrew Gavin Marshall is a good summary except that it absolves the US from encouraging (telling) Georgia to attack South Ossetia. The source is a NYT article which quotes unnamed officials making statements after the fact. Which is what you would expect whether or not the US pushed Georgia out into the traffic to see what Russia did.
Pushing Georgia to attack South Ossetia fits with the US’s aggressive agenda and also fits with their ongoing tactic of using proxies to fight Russia. In short, I don’t believe Mr Marshall and I certainly don’t believe the NYTs.
Speaking of western newspapers, the Understatement Of The Week Award goes to -“Yes, the Guardian is viewed as an establishment gatekeeper by some”!
Interesting development.
http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=www.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://rusvesna.su/news/1403523867
The dam over the Crimean water canal in Kherson has burst. Ukie stupidity? Sabotage? Novorossiya attack?
This is certainly a very interesting development that came out of the blue. Kuchma, Medvedchuk, Tsarev, Boroday, Zurabov, and OSCE hold peace “consultations”. Tsarev presents non-negotiable starting pre-conditions of Novorossiya.
What is expecially interesting is who was not at the table – no one from the US or apparently representing US interests.
http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusvesna.su%2Fnews&sandbox=1
23.06.2014 – 15:36
Oleg Tsarev named seven conditions for starting negotiations with Kiev (video)
Leader of the “South-East” Oleg Tsarev briefed reporters on which named seven conditions for the start of negotiations with the Ukrainian authorities.
– Negotiations with Kiev can be initiated only after the execution of the seven conditions. Must withdraw from the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republic of illegal armed groups – Kolomoyskogo battalion, soldiers of the National Guard, as well as units of the Ukrainian army, police spetsbatalona – all those who shoot at civilians – said Oleg Tsarev.
The second condition, which nominated representatives of people’s republics – payment of compensation to the families of Kiev dead and wounded. In addition, the authorities should pay compensation to municipalities for damages – ruined aqueducts, and other urban infrastructure, to compensate for damage to the owners of industrial enterprises, whose area and buildings were destroyed during the shelling of soldiers.
Another condition – President of Ukraine and representatives of people’s republics must agree on a draft constitutional act of defining the status of the republics and guarantee amnesty to all participants in the movement, all those against whom criminal proceedings have been initiated and those who are currently being sought.
– Only after satisfying all these conditions, we can start negotiations. This is not an ultimatum, it is our position. And most importantly, that the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko should call everything that has happened in many cities of the DNI and LC, crime and disown these events. People who are involved in fire houses and killing civilians, must be punished. It is very important to us.
Dear friends, it is a tragedy so see all this, and what can I do about it?!
As Tusk was mentioned: He came to power after the Smolensk “accident”, and the most idiotic thing is, that many MSM zombies (probably especially in Poland) believe, Russia was behind the crash. Isn’t that ridiculous?! How stupid does somebody need to be to buy into such nonsense.
Qui bono: In contrast to Obama-licking Tusk, the Kaczynski brothers still wanted to protect Poland from being absorbed by the US/EU alltogether.
Back on that 10 April 2010 it was clear to me, the EU or US must have done this.
Does anybody know a real analysis / PROOF ?
Denis Beckman:
how long will it be before the uke army is required to put down an uprising in Kyev itself
Not long. People at the Pechersk Lavra in Kiev have proclaimed the Kiev People’s Republic, which provides a better explanation for the Ricght Sector riot there.
https://www.facebook.com/vladimir.malysev/posts/10204249868031931
http://rt.com/news/167716-ukraine-radicals-monastery-clashes/
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Martin Bochnig:
Does anybody know a real analysis / PROOF ?
Well, it wasn’t the first time a Polish patriot met an unfortunate end falling from the sky. Reccomendation to Poles – take the train. Like standing reccomendation to all state leaders in Prague – stay away from windows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_Sikorski's_death_controversy
{Typos corrected, I’ll delete the 1st post}
Anonymous Babushka in OZ said…
letters of outcry
Save your nerves.
In germany _every_ resident and _every_ employee of each company, including public service organizations, Tram, Bus, gardening, and even cemetery/graveyard needs to pay 25 EUR per month (!) for watching TV, no matter if they actually have a TV or not. Who doesn’t pay may get draconic fines and ultimately end up in jail. This means here in germany each and every adult person needs to finance this God-damn AntiRussian Zionazi Propaganda-Dirt! The payment fee is called GEZ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEZ
And among all these things the MSM needed to find a way, how they can deal with the big part of Pro-Russian german people (like me, but we are millions!) who no longer believe this Pro-USA Pro-Israel Pro-Globalization Anti-Russian shit any longer, because although it is made in a smart manner (with a Multi-Billion$$$ funding), after a while even average viewers begin to recognize, that it is always the same style of “pattern”. And of course: Putin is crazy, Russia is baaaaaad, and everything which is in some way not like it should (even the weather), is Putin’s and or Russias fault. Now we started a grass-roots movement (search on youtube for “Mahnwache” or “Montagsdemo”). We, the many thousands who go to the streets in all major cities in germany and Austria/Oesterreich every Monday in support of Russia! And guess what: The MSM call _us_ the Nazis and conspiracy theorists!!!!! While they still have a strict news blockade about the true events in Ukraine. And while they continue to claim, “THERE ARE NO NAZIS IN KIEV, IT IS ALL JUST STUUUUUUUUPID RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA. And for this dirt everybody needs to pay 300 EUR per year. And corporations need to pay on a per employee basis, they must pay many millions for the bigger companies. Even Supermarkets or construction sites or Taxi drivers. Can you imagine that??? And most (uneducated) germans just go home, pay, watch football and drink beer. What about that? Do you feel better now, down in Australia? Instead of writing them letters and damaging your health, do something else which has more potential. I can tell you: I HATE THE square mile SYSTEM that runs us in the West. The only way to escape this sytem is if I once and for all times move to Russia.
Perhaps the absence of a representative from the District of Criminals might indicate a sudden lack of interest in the outcome of the “peace” negotiations. With Shell’s discovery that East Ukie shale ain’t worth spit and Crimean admission to RF taking away the Black Sea oil, the Khaganate of Nulandia just ain’t worth what she used to be. Since we already got the gold, there’s nothing left worth stealing.
Does anyone notice that Putin expressing strength, such as shutting of the gas and moving troops to active status has lead to a cessation of the killings?
His quest for personal diplomacy must have revealed to him that he just isn’t liked by his counterparts.
I could tell him why, he’s not a narcissist. Thus his best relations are with Merkel, who is least narcissistic of the G7, and who also grew up with the inferiority complex of communism.
Russia must continue to move on development front to ensure that their regions are more successful than the neighbors.
They must continue to move on the diplomatic front outlining a just alternative to the new World Order, with special emphasis on de-dollarization and escaping the fiat regime.
They must continue to move on the media front. They must be keen to show the deprivations within Ukraine, and act as a opposition media, as Ukraine is essentially a one party state.
Dear Saker, is Rinat Akhmetow really on our side?
And what’s his role in Kiev Doubles The Price Of Cold Water, Shuts Off Hot Water http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-23/kiev-doubles-price-cold-water-shuts-hot-water
At above article there is this interesting reader’s comment:
“””””Rinat Leonidovych Akhmetov, the 101st richest person in the world, is the owner of Kyivenergo Gas through SCM Holdings.
Allegedly, Akhmetov has “financed the separatist movement in the region of Donbass and that the separatists “all took money” from Akhmetov and others, saying that “As it turned out, two-thirds of the activists were supported by the oligarch Akhmetov”.
Akhmetov is also active with the Ukraine Party of Regions. The party claims to ideologically defend and uphold the rights of ethnic Russians and speakers of the Russian language in Ukraine.”””””
I would to some extent be interested, what kyivpost is writing about this (if anything), but I explode every time I try to visit their site. It kills me to see so many flat trivial Propaganda lies.
Andrew said:
What is expecially interesting is who was not at the table – no one from the US or apparently representing US interests.
The whole other side of the table are stooges taking the money from the US. They don’t represent Ukraine junta. That is a puppet show in Kiev. The master is in Langley and Foggy Bottom (State Dept.).
This is and always will be a proto-war, proxies used as battlefield pieces.
Putin is directing with persuasion and covert aid one side. The U.S. is running all elements, including the murderers and war criminals. Those brutes are there for purpose.
Poles are flying and contracting (like Academi-Blackwater), and elements from other NATO members are in there. All US employees.
You saw Russian drone film from last night. Next we’ll get a taste of Russian satellite photos to suit the situation. Putin is telling them he’s on the job in more ways than one. ) Obama plays golf and takes phone calls.
Should Kiev’s Plan B (not to be confused with Brad Pitt’s production company) include more ethnic cleansing, some Russian “specialists” will make their presence known. The sniper war will get very intense.
Putin is in. He’s just not putting Russia in. Meanwhile, the puppet regime, as all such “governments” run by the U.S. looks strong but is melting at its center. It won’t crack at the edges. Kiev will cave in as its economy implodes.
Gas, electricity, pensions, cost of living, conscription, and the dissonance that things are good and will get better versus the reality of dead young men, a nation going nowhere and a long dark future are too much for a corrupt, crime-filled society.
In the winter, the roof will fall in.
Of this, I am quite certain. Putin will not give up Ukraine, and Putin will not allow Odessa to be a NATO base. Now, from those two imperatives for Russia’s existential future, you figure out the ending. Putin will win. Russia will prosper.
He is countering the US and terrorists in Iraq, Syria and Ukraine.
He is leading a “regional power” to global leader.
The chemicals are gone from Syria. Iran will be expanding its nuclear power plants. Crimea will develop a spectacular economy.
Things in Donbass may remain terrible, but the long term for Russia is very good.
Thanks Andrew for posting the Novorossiya demand list. Very reasonable but of course not acceptable to Kiev as it would amount to complete capitulation – and doubtful they could afford to rebuild what they are destroying without outside help. They can only afford to go to war against the east with outside help. Interesting list of participants too.
There is always no hot water in Kiev in the summer (for several weeks) because of annual maintenance to the system, but it is rotated so only sections are out at any given time. People often went to Krim for rest during the outage – but of course can’t now so easily. Many newer apartments (and renovated flats in older buildings) have their own hot water system for domestic use but the older ones all use the central distribution system that also provides heat in the winter. The utilities issue(s) have been in the cards for a long time but have been accelerated by the junta government.
@ Martin Bochnig 24 June, 2014 02:48
Dear Friends,
For a long time I haven’t been reading so many stupid things in one place and darn lies as those wrote by Martin Bochnig 24 June, 2014 02:48
1) Tusk is Merkel puppet, his party’s Election Committee in 90s (Liberal Democratic-Party), after crash of communism (another lie, but let it be) was financed by CDU what was revealed this year.
2) It was Merkel who asked Tusk not to start in Polish Presidential Elections.
3) Tusk came to power together with “Walesa coup” (change of government in night session) after Polish Mister of Internal Affairs according to Parliament resolution had to revealed communist intelligence agents in Parliament and government posts. Mr. Lech Walesa former Chief of Solidarity movement was on the list! As paid secret agent.
4) Kaczynski brothers – one was then President of Polish Republic – both voted FOR Polish accession to EU! Both sold Polish sovereignty to Brussels! Both hate Russia. Both craved for Power, from their political activities back in Solidarity times. Both got the Power, they make government and did the same shit what other Polish governments and politicians.
One of Kaczynski brothers, President, was killed later in “Smolensk accident” when presidential plane crashed near Smolensk airfield. Both brothers were Polish political whores, just as PM Tusk is, FM Radek Sikorski and many others.
I do not know who Martin Bochniq is and I don’t wanna know. He’s a lier, puny, pathetic lier.
@ Gleb Bazov 23 June, 2014 22:33
Poroshenko leads scorch earth policy, the same as two infamous American mo***f***r generals – Sheridan and Sherman. Exactly the same.
Gleb Bazov said…23 June, 2014 22:03
“I am of the opinion that the ceasefire never actually started (and never will).”
I’ve seen multiple reports of attacks by the banderivtsy every day since the “cease fire” started. I agree, it never started.
“(1) fulfill the 7-point plan presented by Oleg Tsarev today (I don’t have a copy – it may be that they are keeping it confidential for now)”
VoR has since posted an article outlining some of the basic prerequisites. The “7 points” are probably at least some of these.
Donetsk and Kiev holds informal consultations, not negotiations – PM of Donetsk People’s Republic
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_23/Truce-in-Ukraine-until-June-27-parties-to-cease-fire-0151/
“Borodai also said that the continuation of the discussion on any agreements, even at the informal level, is possible only after the complete cease-fire by the Ukrainian side, as well as the complete cessation of movement of forces and the army of Ukraine, who is threatening people’s militia forces Donbass.
Tsarev previously published a number of requirements to the Kiev authorities only after fulfillment of which they may begin official “substantive negotiations”. Among them: the withdrawal from the territory of proclaimed DNR and LNR units of Ukrainian security services, compensation payments to victims of the conflict, negotiations between the President of Ukraine and the parliaments of people’s republics of the constitutional act, which determines their status, amnesty militias and political prisoners.”
Nora said…23 June, 2014 23:12
RE: Poland. I think the recent leaks there are more of an…ah, “incapacitating maneuver” rather than one to effect substantial change among the zionazi quislings running that country. With Poland now, it’s unlikely one will change the political “bent” much, but getting them to bicker among themselves and with their zionazi handlers can neutralise them enough to keep them irrelevant. ;)
Some motivational “noise”:
LOUNA – Штурмуя небеса (LIVE HD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Rx_59Jw_0
Very rough machine trans:
Storming Heaven
Those who took this fight
Whose life was a game without rules.
Those who took to the skies crackdown
Their fate at stake placed.
This track is dedicated to them,
Who left on another memory
Its mission through the thorns to the stars.
This text is dedicated to all,
Those who knew at 27 – it’s too late to go back.
These heroes!
This rogue!
Alive forever,
Cocky and young!
Glory to the heroes, scrap circuit!
Glory outcasts within the system!
Glory to all of them who went to the end,
Who died young, but did not live in our hearts!
This track is dedicated to them,
Who left our world young
And will never return.
This text is dedicated to all,
Who’s gone forever 27,
Those who are looking at us and laughing!
These heroes!
This rogue!
Alive forever,
Cocky and young!
Glory to the heroes, scrap circuit!
Glory outcasts within the system!
Glory to all of them who went to the end,
Who died young, but did not live in our hearts!
Who took this fight.
Whose life was a game with no rules!
Those in the sky taking acceleration,
Their fate at stake staged!
Anyone who took this fight,
Whose life was a game with no rules!
Anyone who took to the skies crackdown
Their fate at stake staged!
This track is dedicated to them,
Who left our world young
And will never return.
This text is dedicated to all,
Who’s gone forever 27!
Those who remain in our hearts!
Everyone who took this fight,
Whose life was a game with no rules!
Anyone who chose the path of your own
Storming heaven sent
Top …
Glory to the heroes, scrap circuit!
Glory rogue stupid system!
Glory to all of them who are going to end!
Brash and young, who stormed heaven!
@ Martin Bochnig
Donald Tusk is the Prime Minister of Poland since 2007, so it had nothing to do with the Smolensk ‘accident’; All the rumors blaming Russia came from Kaczynski’s party PiS (Law&Justice), hoping to win election for surviving Kaczynski twin Jaroslaw. Most of Poles never gave in to that propaganda, anyway and Kaczynski lost election to Civic Platform (PO Tusk party)in 2011; Both Kaczynskis were strongly anti-Russian, like most Ukrainians and for the silimar reasons. For them – nothing has changed in 1991, Russia is the continuation of hated Soviets, so they hold desperately to another Big Brother in the West – USA /EU, who is using those fears against Putin’s Russia;
But most people are not as paranoid, despite the vicious anti-Russian propaganda and have plenty of respect for Putin’s policy. But they have no voice in zio-media, totally sold out, like almost everywhere.
Who did the Smolensk? I think it wasn’t planned at all; It was mainly the stupidity, stubborness and negligence on the Polish government side, but no real conspiracy;
Anonymous said…
@ Martin Bochnig 24 June, 2014 02:48
“””””I do not know who Martin Bochniq is and I don’t wanna know. He’s a lier, puny, pathetic lier.
24 June, 2014 04:17″””””
@Anonymous: It feels like a Deja-Vu when I tried to approach the Ukrainian Facebook group many many years ago.
For the first time I travelled to Ukraine in 1994, at very young age. Alone and by train. I was in Donetsk and Krasni Liman, in April 1994. Because there was still an old steam locomitive and I took photos and wrote a report about it. From Donetsk to Krasny Liman I took an old Volga Taxi!
All this is documented in my old Passport and I even wrote a small article (for free) in enthusiast magazine http://www.lok-report.de (in the old paper versionof it, of course).
WHO THE HELL ARE _____YOU_____?????
I gave you my clear-text name, my website, my facebook page, my twitter accounts and via google you can even find pictures of me and all that realted to my OpenSXCE work.
WHAT CAN BE FOUND ABOUT _____YOU_____?????
—>> NOTHING <<—
You know what, the Ukies told me back then, they don’t want me in their country and I shall go to Moscow, because I’m either a Russian troll or “KGB agent”.
If you think you need to do the same again, then you are a racist.
How is it written: “On their deeds you shall recognize them”.
But if you think _all_ Germans are bad, and _all_ Russians are good. then you don’t even deserve my help.
YOU SPECIFICALLY.
That, however, doesn’t bring my to interpolate from you single person to all Russians. And therefore it won’t stop me in my love for Russia.
You damn idiot: I have lost all friends and family members support here in germany, because I alsways defend the Russian position. I have lost the incoming stream of donations from the UNIX enthusiasts who use OpenSXCE (as most of them live in the US, according to the downloaders and blog-watchers stats). I have lost my Solaris/UNIX programming jobs repeatedly (or didn’t get the job), due to this. And I have even divorced from my wife because she is pro-Kiev. And here you come you idiot, and this is your way of saying “thank you”?????
If you want to believe, that all germans are bad, then what about this:
The political party DieLinke (TheLeft) got 8% during the last elections, that’s several millions!
http://www.die-linke.de/die-linke/aktuell/
Then see this yt channel (take the time!) : Deutschland+Russland https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5H_U6z_YhWaEUFG9fqR-qw/videos
Then see how even (the souvereign) center-right movement fights for and defends Russia all the time: https://compact-online.de/
And here again one of the best communist blogs: http://hinter-der-fichte.blogspot.de/
Then we have the DKP (German Communist Party) : http://dkp.de/
AND, AS I SAID: “Montagsdemos” eery Monday in many german cities (although weakened by the influence of the MSM):
Германия – Немцы требуют дружбы с Россией https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFHbt1cwfpo
Then, see my twitter account: https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig/media
(I lost more than half of my followers in the West, since I started this, and nobody donates anything for OpenSXCE, unlike before my public support for Russia)
And then this demonstration in early May, here in Berlin (organised by dkp.de) : SOVIET ANTHEM last week here in Berlin :) СМОТРЕТЬ ВСЕМ!!! в Германии Гимн СССР – Пока на Украине война. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH-cQJqdrnk
@Anonymous: And now you idiot come and treat me in the same manner, as the Ukies did in 2008??
There are only 3 options:
a) You are insane
b) You are a traitor, paid by CIA, to prevent international friendship
c) You are a nationalistic racist, no cent better than the Kiev Nazis
So, let us know, who are you, a, b or c?????
Tusk: I stated myself that he is a pro-Western idiot who destroys Poland.
For the rest: I don’t know it. That’s why I dared to ask.
But if you call me a liar, then this means you think, Russia shot the plane?
What about your reading ability?
My statements were:
1.) Tusk is very dangerous
2.) Something is wrong with the Smolensk crash
3.) Who could have had the interest to shoot down most of Poland’s government at once, then not only this but over Russian soil, and then again not only that and not only this, but near Katyn.
My statement was that I believe, the west had done this.
And my statement was: I don’t know much about Polish politics. But I had been in the belief, the Kaczynski brothers (although being Rassia-haters and polish nationalists) would have meant difficulties for the EU. Tusk – as you say – is only following western orders. Kaczynski would have been much more “problematic” for Brussels.
That’s what I still believe. But as I don’t know more about Polish politics, I dared to ask.
I expect you to apologize at me, personally.
Anonymous said…
“””””””””” 4) Kaczynski brothers – one was then President of Polish Republic – both voted FOR Polish accession to EU! Both sold Polish sovereignty to Brussels! Both hate Russia. Both craved for Power, from their political activities back in Solidarity times. Both got the Power, they make government and did the same shit what other Polish governments and politicians.
One of Kaczynski brothers, President, was killed later in “Smolensk accident” when presidential plane crashed near Smolensk airfield. Both brothers were Polish political whores, just as PM Tusk is, FM Radek Sikorski and many others.
I do not know who Martin Bochniq is and I don’t wanna know. He’s a lier, puny, pathetic lier.
24 June, 2014 04:17″”””””””””
A quick search was only necessary, and confirmed my feelings: http://www.infowars.com/did-global-elite-kill-polish-president-kaczynski/
“””””Kaczynski resisted Tusk’s effort to resist adopting the euro. “Kaczynski, who over the past three years had tried to block government efforts to overhaul Poland’s debt-ridden healthcare and pension systems, was also the last EU leader besides Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic to sign the Lisbon Treaty, and opposed Tusk’s euro adoption goal.”
In addition, Kaczynski placed a euro-skeptic ally in charge of the central bank, Slawomir Skrzypek, who was also killed in the crash.”””””
Last hint for user @anonymous: The world is not black && white.
You have to use your brain if you want to find out what’s happening.
@all: In my opinion (backed by many articles on the www [google for Kaczynski killed by the eu]), Kaczynski’s government was murdered by the exact same forces that are now murdering innocent women and children and civilians and babuchkas and deduchkas and men and resistence fighters in Novorossyia. That’s why I dared to ask you about your thoughts: By the global BANKING ELITE (== EU == USA).
If that’s expected too much, to discuss about your views concerning this, then I apparently overestimated the quality of this community here.
@Martin Bochnig
“the Kaczynski brothers still wanted to protect Poland from being absorbed by the US/EU alltogether.”
—
This is not true. Kaczynski brothers were allways possing as eurosceptics, but this is their fool game to buy voters. Jaroslaw was even talking about EU army. They are also fanatic antirussian neocons – now Jaroslaw wants to invite 10.000 American troops here. This ll not happen, but i can talking long hours about how they were big supporters of EU. Now he want Ukraine in EU.
The truth is he, Jaroslaw, and Tusk are members of some foreign agency, who’s job is keeping friendly oligarchs in power and securing IMF intrests. Kaczynski brother, Lech, was taking part in secret meeting in Magdalenka where only high ranking and trusted agents where allowed to participate. Their organisation also have got buildings, worth milions of zlotys, for almost nothing to start their political carier. People in Poland are laughing that Tusk is German guy and Jaroslaw Kaczynski is USA and Israel henchmen. Both are ardent zionists, not patriots. There is video material from Lech Kaczynski’s lecture in some Israeli university, when he is laughing that no matter which patry will take power – Israel will be best friend of Poland. Now Israel wants 60 bilions of dollars for compensations, which where paid back in 1963. Israel are showing Poles as antisemites and copartner of Nazis in Holocaust – we ve lost milions of people at WWII, we ve helped hundred of thousands jews, even if whole family where slaughtered by Nazis for just hiding a Jew. Now we have to endure insults, Mossad agents, who can operate freely on our soil (thanks to changes in law) and Simon Peres jokes in Israeli TV about how many parts of Poland their rule.
Andrew,
@ anonymous: Again, especially for you, since you appear to require some extra calculus help:
In my opinion the US/EU shot down (or in some way sabotaged) the Smolensk plane for these reasons:
0.) To take out any Anti-Euro (currency) forces from the polish government
1.) To preveant for all times the problems which the liquidated government cause when the refused to sign the Lsbon treaty (aka “EU Constitution”)
2.) To prepare the planned NATO-war against Russia, by reviving, creating and extending the typical Anti-Russian mood especially in the Polish population, but from there spreading across the world
In that sense it was an extra gift that
Kaczynski had always been known to be hating Russia.
Therefore the stupid masses can be tricked into hating Russia, because with their 2 brain cells the believe, “that was Russia”.
Do you finally see the point?
In global politics you have to *think*, it is a game of Chess.
I’m aware that only Lech sat in the plane and died, while his twin brother Jaroslaw Kaczynski is still alive. The more so I wonder, why Jaroslaw is so quiet. There are zillions of unanswered questions. That’s why I asked.
I always say the truth.
This doesn’t mean, that I am always right or that I know everything. If I dond’t understand something, I don’t feel ashamed to simply ask.
Whatever, I don’t believe in coincidences, if there are too many of them.
It has just been reported that president Putin has requested the upper house of the Russian parliament to cancel the request he made back in march to use the Russian armed forces in Ukraine.
Ok, sorry for the many individual comments. But back to @anonymous:
Here another example which proves, that the world is not as black&&white as you seem to believe:
Polish FM Radoslaw Sikorski says, Poland gave the USA a “blowjob” and “it isn’t worth anything”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-22/despite-giving-americans-blow-job-polish-foreign-minster-says-us-alliance-worthless
Yet another example: Obama says they want to help Iraq in order to fight ISIS and ISIL. In truth, however, they don’t do this because ISIS==ISIL==Al_Quaeda==USA==EU.
Maybe that’s to high for you, but enough _proof_ exists. Just as a single example of thousands: http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sponsored-terrorism-in-iraq-and-constructive-chaos-in-the-middle-east/5387653
@all: What all of you should know: A rapidly rising number of EU citizens hates the EU and loves Russia.
Don’t fall in the trap to read the Western so called “newspapers” or watch Western Zombies TV. Across all countries, papers, channels they post always the same AntiRussian lies.
That however, has nothing to do with the normal citizens.
We The EU folks are similariliy victim of the EU/SA empire, as you.
Go to youtube and search for Nigel Farage”. They won 35% in the UK.
If you now say: Go away Martin Bochnig and all other EU citizens, no matter if communist, true Peace activist and all that. THEN YOU ARE EQUALLY AS BAD AS KIEV.
Watch the reader’s comments at faz.de or welt.de or handelsblatt.de, if you cannot grasp that.
TThere are paid ProUSA trolls, a certain number of sheeples, and on the other hand people like myself, who always try to defend Russia.
The western MSM call people like myself either “Nazis” or “paid Putinist-Agent”.
I take the energy and time to fight for you, to report from how it is in the EU, and all I get is pissing on me?!
Think about it …
http://rt.com/news/168092-putin-revoke-military-ukraine/
Putin asks Upper House to repeal decision allowing use of military force in Ukraine
Published time: June 24, 2014 10:09
Edited time: June 24, 2014 13:08
WTF??? Now I’m getting nervous concerning my decades-old 100% faith in Putin!@#$%
Is he just one of “them”?
Life makes no fun anymore!
Or has he simply decided, that Russia only loses, if it openly fights a war, while the USA only engages in dirty guerilla warfare around the globe?
If now no secret army moves into the South-East, then I’m desparately disappointed. Many innocent lives will be wiped out by the Kiev-US-Junta :(:(:(
This entire year 2014 is a plain NIGHTMARE
@Martin Bochnig
You appear to be a bit agitated and flooding the thread with redundant useless text does not help everybody else.
Forgot to take your meds today or what?
@Martin Bochnig
Same prominent Polish (?) politician, who have started antirussian crusade with outrageous claims that Russians destroyed with two bombs presidential plane (yep, that exactly what he ve said) also he’ ve stayed that Russian scpecnaz did Odessa massacre. This guy from Law&Justice (PiS) is another probandersit minion. He ve obtained most of his data from USA. I don’t trust people like this one and their revelations. Their job is to start idiotic Polish-Russian flame wars, so people will not see the real occupiers like USrael and Germany, who have destroyed our economy and who are stealing our natural resorces. Deception is their second name.
Andrew,
hardcore said…
“””””@Martin Bochnig
You appear to be a bit agitated and flooding the thread with redundant useless text does not help everybody else.
Forgot to take your meds today or what?”””””
@hardcore
What is this forum about?
Hostile personal attacks, or productive discussians?
Mr. hardcore has clearly disqualified himself.
I wonder why the Saker lets such contentless comments pass.
You know what, fight your war without me. And forget the money I just collected for you, today.
hardcore said…
“””””@Martin Bochnig
You appear to be a bit agitated and flooding the thread with redundant useless text does not help everybody else.
Forgot to take your meds today or what?”””””
What you call “useless flooding” was intended to show you
A) The true situation among normal citizens of the EU
and
B) I provided _PLENTY_ of url’s, that any half-way smart person could (and would) have contacted, for fund-raising and community connectivity
The matter of fact, that you not only call all these linkls “useless”, but even insult me personally, shows how limited you are in your behaviour.
You do not deserve my help.
I shut down all my PR for you.
And I return the 200$ which I wanted to donate via Paypal, to the gentle person that wanted to help.
ADIOS!
@Andrew
I fully agree with what you said.
But tell me: How does it contradict anything of what I had written. Especially: How does it contradict my theory, that the West shot them down (as false flag, to be blamed on Russia).
I think, without wanting to insult you, your way of thinking is too linear, to match today’s (USrael)realities.
To me is was the CIA, MI6 or Mossad who shot them down (or it was a true accident). No other options exist.
You argue in a way, as if 9/11 never happened. You argue in a way like a naive US-american who states: Oh, no! It cannot have been our government. Because there were our citizens in the twin towers. Maybe time for a firmware upgrade …
To: Martin Bochnig
You were insulted and I understand you are upset.
I have been on the net for many years and seen numerous such incidents. Try to leave it behind you.
Alles gute [no, I am not a Germanspeaker]
@ Martin Bochnig said…
> Anonymous 24 June, 2014 04:17
> @ Martin Bochnig 24 June, 2014 02:48
> Dear Friends,
> For a long time I haven’t been reading so many stupid things in one place and darn lies as those wrote by Martin Bochnig 24 June, 2014 02:48
(…)
> I do not know who Martin Bochniq is and I don’t wanna know. He’s a lier, puny, pathetic lier.
Well, if you asked to confirm your claims/points I would answer it without calling names. It just happened as it went. Tough.
For calling names I’m sorry.
But if you know _nothing_ on a subject be very, very, careful in the future.
Politics is a enticing swamp. Especially in commenting zones of blogosphere.