It took the combined efforts of the FSB/SKR/MVD one week to make the first arrests in the case of the murder of Nemtsov: a group of 7 men, all from the North Caucasus were arrested. A sixth man killed himself with a hand grenade in Grozny when he was about to be arrested.
Potok Camera
The Russians used the combination of the “Potok” HD camera monitoring network and intercepts of all the cellular phone network calls made from the city center that evening to zero in the car used by the killer to escape which soon lead to the entire group.
The authorities seem pretty confident that they got the right men. They are:
- Zaur Dadaev (Заур Дадаев) – the supposed killer who, according to unconfirmed reports, was the deputy commander of the Chechen special operations battalion “Vostok”.
- Shagit Gubashev (Шагит Губашев)
- Anzor Gubashev (Анзор Губашев)
- Khamzat Bakhaev (Хамзат Бахаев)
- Tamerlan Eskerkhanov (Тамерлан Эскерханов)
- Shagid Gubashev (Шагид Губашев)
- Ramzan Bakhaev (Рамзан Бахаев)
The last two have not, as of this moment, been charged with anything.
This is a big group of people and it appears that the security services have caught if not the full network or gang, then at least most of it.
Zaur Dadaev
According to breaking news from Moscow, the main suspect, Zaur Dadaev, has now confessed that he is the person who killed Nemtsov.
The rapid arrest of all these men is, of course, good news for the security services, but considering that Nemtsov was murdered in one of the most monitored and protected locations on Russia, it is hardly surprising. I had expected an arrest withing 48 hours, and I bet you the Russians knew who done it very soon, but they wanted to arrest the full network.
Whether these arrests will provide the real answers is, alas, very uncertain. We can, for example, remember the case of the murder of Anna Politkovskaya who was also initially blamed on Putin and Ramzan Kadyrov and which eventually lead to two trials (along with several more murders). Eventually, a group of Chechens was found guilty and sentenced to long jail terms, but the identity of the people who ordered that hit was never discovered.
I am very concerned that in this case again we will go along the same scenario. Chechens, especially those who served in the Chechen security forces, make ideal culprits as they can be presented either as criminal thugs, or religious fanatics, or both. Add to that the fact that Chechen mobsters have very close ties to the Ukrainian oligarchs and that Chechens are fighting on both sides of the conflict in the Donbass and you will immediately get the picture: it will be exceedingly hard to prove who ordered the murder and why.
So far my prediction that patsies will be found is proven correct and ideal culprits have been found. I just hope that this will be just the beginning of a real investigation and not the end of it.
The Saker
UPDATE: Russian source now have indicated that the security services are looking another 4 men suspected of having provided the weapon used in the crime.
Your daily clingon gossip.
(temporary, until we get those top-tier uk celebrities/pederasts back onto the tabloid front pages there, where they belong, so we can get real news again).
mar 8
On Fox News Sunday earlier today, George Will had fierce words for both Clingons in the wake of this week’s revelations about Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server in her time as secretary of state. “It’s axiomatic that the worst political scandals are those that reinforce a pre-existing, negative perception,” Will said. “The Clintons come trailing clouds of entitlement and concealment and legalistic, Jesuitical reasonings — the kind of people who could find a loophole in a stop sign.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/415065/will-orwellian-email-scandal-clintons-could-find-loophole-stop-sign-nick-tell
Patsies?
The shooter admits it. The gang is caught.
Sure, the paymasters and plotters are not there, but I think the “shame” Putin spoke of will force the security services to produce the Ukies and CIA henchmen who dreamed up the plot and location.
They didn’t do this over a piece of Ukie ass. It wasn’t jealousy.
Oswald also admitted shooting and yet he also called himself a Patsy.
cheers!
The following all seem to imply no guilt. Of course, words have ever-changing meanings by use.
But it is fairly clear that patsy includes no complicity.
Thus, Lee Harvey was the fall guy, which is the one word in the list that is apt.
Synonyms for patsy
noun
fall guy
doormat
sitting duck
boob
chump
dupe
fool
goat
pigeon
pushover
sap
scapegoat
schmuck
stooge
sucker
victim
Paddy was usually an Irish immigrant. They were the fumblebums before the Pollocks came along to replace them. In the coal fields of Western Pennsylvania the smallest coal shovel is still called a Paddy Shovel.
you forgot mole
http://22november1963.org.uk/why-did-oswald-deny-shooting-jfk
Saker,
Please excuse,but Oswald never said he shot anyone.In fact,he said the opposite.
Love the new site!!
Regards…
Oswald never admitted shooting JFK.
WHAT? I certainly never heard anything about Oswald admitting the shooting.
How in the world do you already know these guys are patsies?
@EVERYBODY
mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!!
Many of you have posted a protest here, some have emailed me, and you are right and I am wrong: Oswald apparently never confessed. Funny, I was under the impression that he had (this is what happens when you have been exposed to the MSM I suppose). So, anyways, my bad, I take it back.
Thanks for setting me straight and keeping me on my toes!
Hugs and cheers,
The Saker
maybe you confused him with James Earl Ray.
I don’t think James Earl Ray shot MLK either. He was another patsy who got set up for the fall. It seems that MLK had enemies on the outside and enemies on the inside . The famous photograph of MLK’s friends standing on the balcony all pointing in the alleged direction of the rifle shot was a made up camera shot. They were all pointing in the wrong way. The shot never came from that direction and they knew it. MLK was set up to die by his dear “friends” in his own organization so that Jesse Jackson could take over. MLK was a good swartze boy and was on script and was a made man, until the day he started taking it all a bit to seriously and started going off script and trying to couple the war in Vietnam with the civil rights movement. This could not happen. It pissed off people in high places. The owners of the military industrial complex (whoever they are) decided it was time to replace the dear Doctor King and the rest is hisss tow rheee………..
James Earl Ray was a stumblebum who couldn’t pour pee out of a boot. And, we are to believe that he busted of prison more than once and had the knowledge and wherewithal to acquire a Canadian passport of a person that had a similar physical characteristics? How did he manage to make it to London with the ultimate intended destination of apartheid South Africa?
How can anyone swallow that malarkey? (rhetorical)
Actually, that’s not a mistake you should have made.
The Saker has already apologized, look for it in the thread. What else should he do, make himself hara-kiri?
The Saker made a mistake he is human. You are nobody to tell The Saker that “that is not a mistake you should have made”.
Who the heck are you? God?
Pfft.
Saker cmon hit em with the “let he who has not sinned…” served up on a plate for that one.
I’m the last person who should be quoting the bible before Saker. Must be a cold day in hell…:-)
Actually kinda miss the spiritual flavor. Do as you will though. Love the new site btw.
No, the only thing Oswald ever admitted to was that he was being set up and he did this on camera while the news media were filming him, after he got arrested at the movie theater he was in. He was a CIA patsy boy. They used him and then they got their mafia man, Jack Rubenstein from Chicago to shoot him and silence him. Then Jack was in jail about it, and he started blabbing about not going down alone and the next thing you know he is dead from cancer. Go figure. Loose lips , sink ships.
Oswald did NOT “admit” to shooting….
I was an adult when this all went down…. and Oswald did not EVER say that he shot anyone.. He said he was innocent…
And they couldn’t have pinned it on him, that is why they made sure he NEVER made it to a trial.
Learn your conspiracies properly before commenting. Oswald did not admit to any shooting, or if he did, can you advise which one?
A reference, please, for the statement that “Oswald admitted shooting.” You may recall that he passed the nitrate test given to him after JFK’s murder.
If you read further down, perhaps, the thread, The Saker has already apologized for the erroneous statement.
Yes, thank you, I see it. It wasn’t up when I wrote my post.
Saker, I have to agree with your current assessment and your previous predictions: this is too neat, these guys do come across as patsies – barring provable facts contracducting this that may come out. The Chechen hit group being alleged here reminded me exactly of the politskaya case.
As for someone “confessing” that proves nothing, we don’t know what incentive or motivation a suspect can be offered to get them to take the fall.
I will venture another possibility: it is possible that Russian security has known of these guys for a long time and determined that they are directly connected to terrorism sponsoring programs of the alliance (think Chechen terrorist havens of London and Boston). Such people make ideal patsies because it provides leverage to Russia to shut the mouths of the Westen MSM because of the possibility exposure.
Do you think the Russian state will find out who really ordered this murder and do you think they’ll expose it?
Oswald did not admit to shooting at JFK… but was of course a patsy (still no credible explanation for how the Dallas police identified him within minutes… except the laughable “he was missing,” along with half the other employees) fantasy.
Agreed.
Actually it was James Files who confessed to shooting JFK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2843665/Mob-hitman-James-Files-claims-man-responsible-President-John-F-Kennedy-s-assassination-Lee-Harvey-Oswald-never-fired-single-shot.html
Four words: Arizona Senator John McCain.
Did he get read his Miranda rights before he was waterboarded? My, my, that was quick. I must say. The wheels of justice turn quickly in the Putin State capitalistic Republic.
It would be nice if the Russian authorities could use a version of the American plea-bargaining technique to find out who the paymasters are. Unfortunately those techniques seem to lead to the conviction of the innocent at least as often as the guilty.
Well, the Americans make it worse by adding the paid jailhouse “snitch” (ie perjurer) and similar techniques so that any innocent person who doesn’t want to play ball with the plea bargain can be crushed.
The Dadaev character has heroin use deeply engraved in his face. Could he be a sacrificial junkie?
Saker
I’m a little confused: do you think the suspects are patsies in that they didn’t do it and ate scapegoats, or are they patsies in the sense of they were the triggermen but will never reveal who ordered it?
If it’s the latter, won’t RF offer them some sort of plea deal to finger who ordered it? Or do you think they simply won’t take it?
I assume he means patises as in the guys that did the dirty work and was designed to get caught but without revealing who ordered it.
A patsy is someone who is not involved in a crime but is accused of committing it. Another name is “fall guy.”
Lir,
Getting the definition of patsy wrong is a common mistake if you’re new to the English language. It’s understandable to infer the meaning you’re referring to based on context (using context to infer meaning is a common short-cut mechanism many use when trying to come to grips with a new language, like for those learning English).
I suggest you use an online dictionary to confirm meanings of words that you are not sure of – it’s very easy to get the wrong meaning otherwise.
For Patsy Merriam-Webster online lists the following:
A person who is easily victimized or fooled. One who can be tricked into taking the blame.
The above definition implies someone innocent that is fooled/coerced into taking the blame. I have to admit that even the dictionary definition is a little open to interpretation.
Merriam-webster has a wonderful tutorial on proper punctuation use to ( like how to use quotation marks, colons etc.),
Best of luck in getting upto speed on ESL.
someone easily fooled into DOING something by assurances that he’ll safely get away with it, but arranged so he will instead take the blame, is a fall guy the guy set up to take the fall, simple example generously provide a get-away vehicle that is almost out of fuel
they were at least hired by someone. And there may be levels above the contacts the thugs had with the paymasters.
It shows that the Russian security forces are not #$%@ing around. They want an answer and will go over evidence with a fine tooth comb. But the West will STILL blame Putin for this murder. Ironic that in the West they “try” their best to presume innocence before passing guilt, but in this case, they feel that Russian investigators are either corrupt or bumbling idiots, who will blame anyone to get back to their lazy habits. The Russophobia is so thick, you need a drilling machine the size used to dig the Channel tunnel from France to England to get to the other side.
Do Chechens hired as assassins usually leave eye-witnesses behind? Or is this an unusual case? Not implying anything, just genuinely wondering.
The gang that couldn’t shoot straight.
The least skilled in the group (or the highest on drugs) was the shooter, apparently.
At least these are live bodies unlike those executed in Paris. No policeman has ‘been suicided’ like Helric Fredou.
There was a report of a Chechen leader being killed in Debaltsewo…..and vengeance being the currency sought. We still have the curious case of Duritskaya.
Yes, you can tell it’s not a “Western”-style false flag b/c the suspects were not murdered before they got a chance to speak. The one exception lately in the “West” has been Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, whom they tried really hard to murder while he was hiding, unarmed and severely wounded, in the boat, but for some amazing reason he survived the hail of bullets.
Looks to me that enhanced interrogation techniques are in order.
That’s what I have been saying all along!
If you are looking for a confession that matches your script, torture will achieve that. If you want good intelligence then you want your prisoner to remember what to him might be irrelevant details and be in a good frame of mind to supply that. Deception and clever interrogation, even befriending your prisoner, are what get good intelligence. Ask a professional (not amateur) interrogator.
Do I take it you are from the USA and have been saturated with memes that torture works to get good intelligence; desperate searches for those bombs with timer countdowns?
You know, those Hollywood bombs that have a digital second countdown readout and flash a red light and go beep every second?
Well said.
Very well said.
Let me take the liberty of modifying a Nulandism:
“eff [the] Hollywood”
No matter who is arrested the West will find some way to spin it to blame Putin. Actually they don’t need to go that far as simply blaming Putin is all that is needed. The pablum fed masses will believe anything their media tells them. And the media repeats everything the corporate/government tells them.
It would be rather nice though if the trail could lead back to the Nuland cartel.
On another note, how did the perpetrators think they could get away with it so close to the Kremlin?
I’d have at least worn a hood/mask and burned the car and any clothing worn.
Blame Putin – Blame Nuland. What’s the difference? You blame MSM for one but fail to blame state media for the other. Both are fiction.
If you don’t know the difference, ‘you ain’t ever goin’ to know’ as the expression goes.
Kadyrov got splashed with this plot, too.
He is holding silence until the facts and the roundup are concluded.
Then, I imagine, he will send a ‘message’ to Kiev.
I would not want to be SBU-Kiev right now.
They must all be applying for Canadian passports.
According to breaking news from Moscow, the main suspect, Zaur Dadaev, has now confessed that he is the person who killed Nemtsov.
I wonder if he cut a deal where he tells the authorities what he knows for a lesser sentence? Then again, these guys might not know who exactly was paying them.
The Chechen leader said he believes Dadayev “would never make a single step against Russia for which he risked his life for years.”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150308/1019232838.html#ixzz3Tp4S8ASj
Very interesting! It would be a brilliant stroke for a provocation to throw mud on Putin and at the same time disrupt his relations with Kadyrov.
Could it be that Dadayev was completely tricked into believing that he was doing something good for Putin, and now he is devastated?
Kari
I think that is exactly what happened. If these guys did it they were remotely manipulated and convinced they were doing something good for Kadyrov/Putin. They may even believe their orders came directly from those two.
I left this comment at fortruss:
This theory leaves five major questions unanswered:
1. The timing of the hit. Right before the spring oppo march.
2. The location of the hit. Dadayev could not have failed to know that this would damage both Putin and Kadyrov to whom he is presumably loyal.
3. Why the witness was left alive
4. Why the disparate and ancient ammo. Its not credible that Dadayev would not have had access to modern ammo
5. The manner of the hit. Dadayev is a trained special ops soldier. Why so many shots and several misses from point blank range?
Nothing that has been said so far suggests that any of these suspects had anything personal against Nemtsov. If they just wanted to help out Kadyrov or prove their loyalty to him, why not go fight in Ukraine?
Given the above I still believe this was a political provocation and if Dadayev and co did it, they were manipulated, most likely by people they don’t know (western intel agencies). Al-CIA types probably noticed that Kadyrov had created a special ops Chechen force that he put at Putin’s disposal, as well as the interview where Nemtsov supposedly said that Putin wants to kill him, and figured that this would create a perfect PR storm for Putin if Nemtsov was killed by some Chechen supporters of Kadyrov.
Dudaev may have been persuaded Nemtsov was a enemy of Russia…
Don’t you think it would be rather dangerous for the mossad or cia to recruit a sincere Russian patriot to execute the killing? Once he would realise the turn of events, he would probably cooperate with the fsb.
It’s hard to imagine that the foreign services arranging this murder would fail to arrange the removal of the perpetrators from Russia. So either these guys are scapegoats for the real bunch already staying elsewhere, or they did it at least partly out of their own conviction. I mean there might have been some prodding, intelligence and material support, but a false flag as most people would define it is effectively ruled out. If you want to kill someone and blame it on your opponent, you don’t hire people who are known to be loyal to your opponent, need money or are drug junkies AND leave them to be fully excavated for information by your opponent’s investigators. But you might, if you learn that such a group is itching to do something potentially very embarrassing for your opponent, help them through intermediaries to succeed and amplify the embarrassment.
When they hire these people, they don’t print their employment contract on CIA/Mossad letterhead, and the head of Mossad doesn’t sign their paychecks ;)
Its all done through cutouts and third parties pretending to be other people. Those guys may believe they were hired by the FSB, or Kadyrov or the Russian mob, or Poroshenko. Whatever their real employers want them to believe.
What Kadyrov said needs to be understood in the context of what else he said:
The head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov said Sunday that he has instructed the secretary of Chechen Republic Security Council to investigate the reasons for the dismissal of Nemtsov’s killing suspect from the Internal Forces of Russia’s Ministry of Internal Affairs.
“I instructed the secretary of Chechen Republic Security Council Vakhit Usmayev to conduct a thorough investigation of reasons behind Zaur’s dismissal, to study his behavior, his mood before he left service… if court confirms Dadayev’s guilt then [it means that] by killing a person he committed a grave crime,” Kadyrov said on Instagram.
The Chechen leader said he believes Dadayev “would never make a single step against Russia for which he risked his life for years.”
Basically, he is saying the man needs to be thoroughly investigated and fairly tried, not just declared guilty (IE – like the Israeli-American way of “guilty until proven innocent). Kadyrov, I believe is following the correct way of discussing Dadayev’s innocence or guilt that a government official show follow. There is no controversy in what he said.
False Flag by the children of the murderers of John F. Kennedy, by the destroyers of the American Republic.
This murder of Nemtsov, professionally done, not messing a hair of his girlfriend’s hair (although she was standing next to him), was a False Flag operation, and nothing else.
The act was designed, not so much to embarrass the Russian government in Russia, as to exasperbate the anti-Russian phobia amongst the gullible populations in the imperialist nations. It was an imperialist authored act of aggression, an act of war. The deed has the earmarks of Mossad/CIA/MI-6.
One mustn’t blame the Russian government for making the deals (with the very criminal perpetrators), they feel necessary for their overall political and military health. By way of recent analogy, some of the trapped American/NATO terrorists were (apparently) allowed to sneak out of the Debaltsevo Pocket. Presumably, favors were returned by the imperialists.
In the absence of an American resistance (worth the name), history should not condemn the Russian leaders for doing their best – to survive.
Conversely, the strong analysis of the dangers facing the Russian and Novorossiyan people, by Strelkov and the Shaker, are healthy and necessary. We the People must not be silent in front of criminality; only we must be understanding of the total situation, and respectful of those whose necks are on the line.
We should harbor no illusions about the evil imperialist Oligarchs, their crimes, their coverups, their mis-direction plays, and their propaganda, and we must recognize the repititive patterns of their behaviors.
John F. Kennedy was no saint, but he died defending our Republic. John Lennon (the musical Lenin), Robert Kennedy, Martin L. King, Malcalm X, Fred Hampton, and thousands of others (within the United States), paid the ultimate price for their defense of Liberty. Outside of the United States, millions have sacrificed their lives resisting the Oligarchs.
To murder someone right outside of elected Russian President Vladimir Putin’s office…
For the Democratic Republics!
The Anarchist Collective remembers the sacrifice of Buenaventura Durruti and his militia!
IMAGINE
Izvestia had named Adam Osmayev (now the commander of the Dudayev Battalion in Ukraine) as a suspect prior to these arrests. Is there any suggestion that those now in custody have connections to Osmayev?
A couple of curious biographical notes about Osmayev…
One, his British background: Adam Osmayev – Cotswolds public schoolboy turned Ukraine militia commander
Secondly, his recent marriage to the spokesperson of the Dudayev Battalion, Amina Okueva… Chechen volunteer fighters Amine Okueva and Adam Osmayev became husband and wife in #Dnipropetrovsk
Are spouses immune from testifying against each other in Ukraine?
Oivae, good work. Curious facts.
it was well organized except that probably the killers didn’t know how well camera-ed the area was…although it seems kind of obvious.
might have something to do with Alexi’s assassination attempt too.
But, as has been aired this issue internationally, people would like to know who commissioned the work, and it would be nice to undo the fallacy that everything is the fault of Putin….
methinks a mossad,cia mi6 low level frank kitson david sterling style operation.
these sims are cover for the humiliation of fsb.
draw a line in the sand.
the shitty crew where extracted quickly out of the country leaving putin to use standard british sis tavistock cover story.
piss poor chechen script but will do the job and buy putin some time to gather strength for the next rabbi talmud show
Inspector Renko does it again!
On a serious note, the planning was professional, but the execution was horrifically amateurish. Nearly every mistake the shooters could have made, the made it.
– You don’t ever leave an eyewitness to the actual event if you can help it.
– You don’t call attention to yourself unnecessarily–either during the event, or while making you getaway.
– In the matter of a deadly serious event like this, use a real firearm; not a makeshift.
– Only an idiot would have a cellphone in his pocket during the action, for it pin points your presence at the scene.
I think that the authorities had definite IDs with 2 hours at most. When they let the honeypot walk, that told me that she gave them credible info and IDed the shooter from a list of possibles. Otherwise, she would be still cooling her well-turned heels in Lubyanka.
Since those nabbed are low-level muscle that were previously use to coerce no-pay gamblers and shop owners that don’t pay protection, one or two levels of cutouts were used to engage this dimwitted gang, It will be difficult to ID the contractor.
I think that she was released to finger (by implication) the contractor. If she disappears, has an unfortunate fatal accident, or tops herself due to “depression,” that will indicate that the Ukies are behind it. Otherwise, eyes will be pointed to London or to Langley.
joeymac
one or two levels of cutouts were used to engage this dimwitted gang, It will be difficult to ID the contractor.
That’s what I was thinking when I wrote it is possible the crew who carried out the hit may not actually know who ordered the hit. It wouldn’t be necessary for them to know who ordered it, and the contractor probably wouldn’t want their ID known simply to reduce the risk of connection to the murder. Incidentally, that would apply whether the contractor was a government or an individual.
Four hits and a few misses — not a great shot or executioner — suggests he may have run out of bullets in the gun and just ran instead of trying to reload and shooting the girl.
Knowing who the shooter and accomplices were makes it easier to trace their movements and who the connections upwards are than before they were nabbed. Can build a chain of evidence now.
(Incidentally, a Patsy is one easily duped and might or might not be guilty or innocent.)
Four hits and a few misses — not a great shot or executioner — suggests he may have run out of bullets in the gun and just ran instead of trying to reload and shooting the girl.
Yeah, right, and a locust swarm suggests a Martian invasion. It “suggests” that the woman was not a designated target, nor was her survival considered to be a threat. BTW, Makarov pistols use 8, 10 &12 round mags. I know, facts suck…
Maybe 8 rounds, fiur hit 3 misses, and whatever with the eigth (fired and not found? missing from clip?).
Alexander Mercouris has a few ideas about the case, including the companion’s survival:
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/09/4212
He thinks not a target.
The gun hasn’t been found, from what I’ve read, and the cops have been searching the river for it. Also from what I’ve read, 6 casings were found at the scene and it is thought 7-8 shots were fired. Also the make of the gun being determined by the casings. That’s all I’ve seen definite. So not enough info on whether the killer emptied the clip or not.
Thanks for the Mercouris link. His reasoning about the woman is very similar to some I posted here speculating why she wasn’t shot and why the cops treated her as a witness and not a suspect. I also agree with him that there is not enough info available to make a call on the hows and whys. Though, due to the immediate web sayanim action, the way the zio-media was completely unified on talking points, the timing and place, and several other things that showed evidence of being prepared ahead of the murder, such as the speed with which the march was reorganised around the murder with new bells and whistles, I’m certain it was a planned false flag op from those “friendly humanitarians” of the ZPC/NWO.
@ Peter J. Antonsen March 08, 2015
Very interesting… It was so close to Mr Putin… It was a warning, right?
No. The man just had dinner on one side of the bridge and lived just on the other side. It is a public bridge he used 3 or 4 times a week. A better spot to shoot someone than an ordinary street, where people may be looking out their windows.
It was also a place that was under constant video surveillance with plenty of security nearby(no doubt why Nemtsov felt safe walking there at that time). These guys would have known that. If you just want to knock off somebody without making a statement why do it in a place chock full of security and surveillance? As it is these guy have been caught so fast precisely because of where they carried out the crime.
After the Boston Bombing, some information emerged regarding Tamerlan Tsarnaev and links to a CIA programme “to destabilize Russia’s North Caucasus region”:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ties-that-bind-washington-to-chechen-terrorists/5333080
Are these men a Chechen CIA cell?
I think its more likely that they were being manipulated by a Chechen CIA cell.
Maybe not Ukrainian oligarchs but the Saudis? Does anyone recall the reports that former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar, a.k.a. “Bandar Bush,” told Putin that a group of Chechen terrorists was under his control and threatened that there might be an incident at the Sochi Olympics unless Putin dropped his support for Assad? You can Google it, but here’s my preferred link:
Consortium News, The Russian-Saudi Showdown at Sochi
I think that it should be little doubt that the whole operation was meant to tarnish further the “image” of Putin and Russia. It smacks of despair. The anti-Putin propaganda failed miserably on all fronts and the masterminds thought that extreme measures are necessary.
“Washington Post: Russia’s anti-U.S. sentiment now is even worse than it was in Soviet Union”,
Monday, March 9 2015, by (who else) Michael Birnbaum (the Post’s Moscow bureau chief) http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russias-anti-us-sentiment-now-is-even-worse-than-it-was-in-soviet-union
Naturally, the growing anti-American anger is put on “the spin” put by the official propaganda on the sanctions, meddling, daily insults.
a gladio need
a template
a hit
some low level east german thugs
text book tavistock mi5-6
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/yvonne-fletcher-murdered-by-our-spooks.html
an old tv programme that would not be made today.
providing plenty proofs of a libyan set up.
nothing new under saturn zion sun.
http://www.sott.net/article/236576-Murder-in-St-James-Square-The-Death-of-Yvonne-Fletcher
Indeed, how dare they resent the USA destabilising Ukraine and having US supported Kiev/Lviv fascists destroy towns and cities and kill their neighbours and blood relatives there? How dare they resent the USA trashing the Russian economy, devaluing the Russian currency -and bragging about it?
How dare they resent a proxy war declared by the USA on Russia?
How dare they resent the USA’s attempt to give them freedom and democracy?
Don’t they know that the USA is indispensable and exceptional and has Manifest Destiny?
the link is http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russias-anti-us-sentiment-now-is-even-worse-than-it-was-in-soviet-union/2015/03/08/b7d534c4-c357-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html
What is not credible here, is the claim that some Chechens were so professional in executing a hit … but yet stupid enough to agree to do this on the Kremlin’s doorstep.
Chechnya President Ramzan Kadyrov, up till now staunch Putin loyalist, is now rattled that his own people might be patsies in a dirty game here. This can tear Russia apart. The beneficiary of this affair, is obviously not ‘Putin’s political power’ – indeed he could care less about minor critic Nemtsov – but rather the New World Order NWO chaos crew.
Seems like Chechen patsies in Boston, Chechen patsies in Moscow … The logical, tragic conclusion is that the Boris Nemtsov murder was a JOINT project of Putin & CIA-Nato, with Putin himself being NWO, fake opposition ‘frenemy’ helping create war and chaos.
Despite Putin fans making endless excuses, we really have no good reason why Putin let Nato help kill 50,000 people on his doorstep in Ukraine, turning that country into rubble with millions losing their homes. We have Russian media getting limp-wristed weak on USA-Nato, etc
As Brandon Smith of Alt-Market has said for some time, “We are alone” in our respective countries, there is no great heroic high-principled saviour government out there to save our bacon … we must understand that ‘fake opposition’ is a key globalist game, not only within countries, but on a world-deceiving scale.
With Russian media, for example, they are co-operating in CIA projects, despite knowing the truth, as with the Edward Snowden hoax. Putin himself hinted out loud Snowden was CIA & fake, and the Moscow report on the Snowden fraud is known across EU governments now. It was shown that the CIA feeds documents directly to Greenwald & ‘Snowden journalists’, Snowden is a pal of Dick Cheney & Brzezinski etc … But Russian media is playing along with the Snowden fraud that may be helping entrap & kill real USA dissidents. Snowden Moscow intel report is here: ‘Russia gov FSB SVR report, Snowden Greenwald are CIA frauds’
Saker,
Could you please enlighten us in reference of this Fortruss article
http://fortruss.blogspot.mx/2015/03/the-two-pillars-of-russian-maidan-or.html
The two pillars of Russian Maidan or what did Nemtsov and Strelkov have in common?
A very complex article, assertions such as Colonel Cassad being a press group PR of Strelkov, ..
I am sue you have something to say about this controversial article.
Thanks
Patsies or not, the question still remains: who benefits? If to follow the media sewer stream and assume that the order came from Kremlin, it makes as much sense as blaming ones constipation on a wrong moon phase . Especially after the subject promised to release some irrefutable evidence of Russia’s involvement in Ukraine (which, if it ever existed, could have been torn into pieces by a first-grader,, same as it happened with every new report). It could have rather been getting rid of ballast with maximum use: Nemtsov didn’t represent any serious threat to the office, his days of stardom far gone but knowing his bitchy temper he could’ve angered someone in the headquarters that he reported to. By eliminating him the mysterious “them” solved several problems in one quick move: made the annoyer quiet and turned him into dome sort of a martyr, a new symbol of rising opposition. If the above speculations have any right to life, the infamous Ukrainian report as well as killers from Caucasus are the pieces of same puzzle. Hopefully it will be clear who had crafted it before I grow old and kick my bucket.
Does anyone have any information concerning Aslan Alkhanov, who was connected to Yarosh, and who was found dead (suicided?) and who supposedly was the closet person to those ordering the hit?
*closest*
I have searched the net but cannot find anything about this person.
No matter how things are! The blame should remain on Putin! Look at this headline: http://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/mondo/europa/2015/03/07/nemtsov-arrestati-2-sospetticaucasici_289ad484-a295-4479-a49c-c6315859fd1b.html
Italian fantasy and creativity in full swing!
Israel Shamir – always worth reading imo.
I think he get’s it right too – about the Made-a-Martyr fella and expedient patsies.
http://tinyurl.com/m2wulbw
Would you considerit possible, that the killers were thinking that they are doing good to Putin and Kadorov? After all, the general beleaf of ordinary RT watching Russians and majority of people contributing to this blog is, that Nemtsov was a spy, 5th columnist, American agent etc. and therefore he should be killed. Even though we understand that it is politically bad for Putin, some hotblooded Chechens might do it due to the nationwide propaganda and parania?
If I were investigating this, I’d be looking at whether this Zaur Dadaev and others arrested had any ‘missing weeks’ in their history over the last year. Nobody seems to be mentioning the ‘mind control’ words, but in this age it’s a genuine possibility.
Especially when you see an assassination being done in a way that doesn’t seem consistent with what you’d expect from their professional background.
Dadaev *should* have had access to a real weapon, he should have been a better shot, he should have had a spare magazine, he should have known that area was laced with cameras, he should have known cell phones are an absolute no-no for this sort of work, he should have known it was politically a stupid idea, And so on.
Who benefits, from this person doing such a thing, just there, and so poorly?
Sirhan Sirhan (killer of 2nd Kennedy), the guy who shot John Lennon after Lennon started a personal investigation of the CIA, and more recently Martin Bryan of the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania, Australia (a gun control psyop), were all clearly mind programmed assassins. There are many other examples. It seems to be quite established technology among certain groups.
The reason the mind control question is important, is that Dadaev and the others may not actually know themselves why they took the actions.
I am thinking the same as TerraHertz. So many weird things are going on in the dark…..
A couple more observations along the lines of Dadaev and associates potentially being mind-programmed actors.
Benefits the originators may intended include: creating a rift between the Chechen leadership and Putin. I mean when you have the Chechen leader pledging a full-denial, no-limits special-ops group to Putin personally, people like Obama must shit their pants. Being able to do this while simultaneously providing fodder for the anti-Putin western media scare tactics, is two birds with one stone. No way are the western zombified masses going to believe any mention of ‘mind control’. A political opponent of Putin was murdered, so *obviously* that demon Putin must have ordered it. (Yes, my opinion of the intelligence of the Western MSM consumers is that low.)
But maybe there are *other* motivations as well. For instance, right now the FSB and other Russian security services are all focused on the Nemtsov issue. But maybe something else is happening right now in Russia, that the Zio-US types especially want to remain hidden?
Please, FSB and others, take a careful look around. Anything odd happening?
My hat is off to the local constabulary and their “great” work. The fastest bit of police work I have ever seen. When it doubt, its those evil wascally Chechens who did this evil deed. Stalin was right. Send them all back to Siberia……/sarc off.
By the way, of course , two of these Chechen patsies types were also made to look good for the Boston bombing. One of the “suspects” was shot to death while in FBI custody and the other sustained a throat wound while hiding in a boat that he somehow got to , in someone’s back yard in Boston , after the Keystone cops unloaded hundreds of rounds at him trying to kill him, somehow he came out of it alive. But this too shall pass. That boy is dead man walking sooner or later trial or no trial. He knows too much. The “suspect” was located using thermal FLIR (after I am sure the FBI goon squad told the useful idiot storm trooper cops where to look. But I do digress.
The Boston bombing episode was a false flag event , in my opinion, no question about it. My question is. Did this really happen the way we are told it did? Or is this some kind of provocation?
The article The Boston Marathon Bombing One Year Later, though flawed, has some info that might be useful in presenting Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as a CIA/FBI patsy, though I hear that his attorney has already stated that he exploded a bomb, so maybe his so-called defense is just a sham. It would be too much to expect that any “approved” defense attorney in this case would actually try for an acquittal.
On the back burner now, but not off the table might be wondering about the suspect who blew himself with a grenade. That’s fairly drastic, considering Russia has no death penalty, and he was not the trigger man.
On another blog, early in the game I called Nemtsov’s murder a false False Flag (and got misunderstood and/or considered too “out there”).
After reading Terra Hertz’s posts I’m starting to think that this may have been a Triple False Flag.
Layers upon layers, wheels within wheels…
The event has not caused Putin any real trouble — as usual, he looks completely in control.
On the surface, it appears to be a misdirected sense of nationalistic loyalty by a hot-headed Chechen (& friends). He’ll probably spend a few comfortable years in a Chechen jail before it blows over of he dies of natural causes (his mug shot does not look so healthy).
The march/protest was neutralized and a sea of Russian flags were seen rather than a western msm beef-up as an anti Putin march — perhaps even with some Maidan type shootings on the day (including said victim?). That would have screamed msm headlines for weeks. We’ll never know.
And, as others have indicated, the shock waves through various clandestine networks would provide good data for analysis and future investigations. Whether Putin knew, or not, this guy may just have played (in his own mind, if nowhere else) the role of Judas who bought time and took the historical hit as ‘traitor’ for the greater good.
All in all, Ramzan Kadyrov owes one to Putin over the deadly rebel attacks which rocked Grozny in 2014 (and said as much at the time). Considering what a mess Boris Nemtsov’s death in the protest march would have been (by whomever), this is a more controllable outcome (so far).
Certainly, the only Spring in Russia this year will be Mother Nature’s.
my initial thoughts on this episode where, Who is desperate enough to try this in such a kak handed way? The only real answer I could come to was the Ukrainians (poroshenko/Yats etc) They are utterly desperate and will do anything to try and discredit Putin, contribute to the US ‘white ribbon’ revolt. I cant think for a moment it has anything to do with charlie hebdo because if you where going to execute Nemtsov then you would certainly claim responsibility in the name of allah, so no I dont think it is motivated by religious considerations. Would the ukraines do it without telling the CIA in Kiev? maybe we’ll find out. Anyway I don’t change my mind, I still think the trail will lead to Ukrainians in Kiev.
How much you want to wager that these guys turn out to be cover Zionist operatives paid to frame Putin? Same group that slaughtered a bunch of school children a few years back ( a practice the IDF is well known for)
larouchepac dot com —- can save you time. Also see: archive dot larouchepac dot com/1932 and: larouchepub dot com. Thermonuclear War ahead ????