Following the furore created by my post yesterday, I want to point out something which is hilarious, scary and quite amazing, all at the same time.
In the late Soviet Union one way to deal with dissidents/opponents of the Communist rule was to declare them insane, usually with what they called “slowly evolving/latent schizophrenia” (вялотекущая шизофрения). Now, truth be told, quite a few of those dissidents did have weird personalities and even after the fall of the USSR they clearly struggled with mental issues. But that is not the point here.
My point is that if you read through the comments section yesterday you will find quite a few comments which “diagnose” me with all sorts of motives and explain away my latest crimethink by referring my mental state. Such comments range from the outright hostile to, even better, “compassionate concern” :-)
Of course, as I did reply several times, if person X makes argument Y, then discussing person X is a way not to discuss argument Y. In other words, it is a surefire sign of lack of solid arguments.
But what I want to point out here is even more important: by choosing to do away with my arguments by making it all about me and my mental state, these folks are acting exactly like the Soviets did with those who dared to disagree with the Party dogma.
Since I am making comparisons, I would also add that those who wish that I would pack and leave remind me very much of those in the Soviet Kremlin who liked to send those daring to criticize them far away to Siberia. The early Soviets also like to expel dissenting intellectuals and send them into exile.
Think of the irony of this: red blooded flag waving anti-Communist US patriots deal with my personal dissent and crimethink in the same way as the Soviet gerontocrats would have.
How about the irony of going to Vietnam to fight the Commies only to come back home and fight the dissidents just like the Commies would :-)
Makes me wonder if the First Amendment was part of whatever value they were defending in their military expeditions thousands of miles away from home.
How about “real ideological diversity”? Is that good or bad?
Or is it that the “cancel culture” approach is now also endorsed by “patriotic Americans”?
I will end with a rhetorical question: is this manner of dealing with dissent and crimethink a manifestation of the famous “western values”?
Andrei
The whole point of Freedom of Speech is to allow the voices of difference. Some are critical analysis, some of it is vicious hatred, some lunacy, some are important warnings, etc. Likely, the entirety of a society of heterogenous construction will produce 20% or so unpleasantries to most everyone in the circle of that society.
The golden rule of Free Speech should be that “words will not harm you”. Action and threats of action harm you, but opinions and contradictions will not harm you.
It is very easy to avoid words, both spoken or written.
Once a person bares his ideological POV, it is very easy to avoid it. It’s like the poor soul whose mind has snapped who stands on the corner sidewalk and rants incomprehensibly all day long. Would you stand there and listen for hours?
If you are offended, go elsewhere.
If a speaker or writer is open to discussion and comments, engage with intelligence, not emotion.
Take on their dogma or doggerel with your best, most erudite tools.
We do have all governments full blown into fascistic tyrannies. There is no doubt that nine-tenths of the world’s governments are repressive. The space for free thought is less each day.
The Vineyard is an oasis. You are free to come, free to go, free to read and free to challenge.
Don’t make it personal. It’s about ideas and beliefs.
Thanks, Larch, for that reminder of a chant from my schooldays. It’s been a long time since I chanted: “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me”.
I disagree. As I remember my youth, sticks and stones or other physical actions were a big problem for me. But what hurt the very most were words.
jeandavid8,
I, too, remember my youth. I remember a particular place/situation where/when I tweaked to the fact that hurtful, stinging words were precisely the ones to which I should pay special attention. In that moment, I understood that the words hurt because they had hit a sore point. Simple physics. The sore point was in me, of course; and the words which landed there had to have flown straight and true to hit the bull’s eye. Since then, I’ve bumped into myself coming around the corner quite a few times in my life, and while such collisions are always uncomfortable when they happen, I’ve come to not only respect, but even to welcome them. Those episodes can be quite magical. Don’t know why I’m telling you this, any more than I’ve had a glass of wine and am feeling generous. Rub some balm on those old scars of yours. Talk to them. They might welcome the attention.
well said, as always, larchmonter445, very like hypatia, ideas are the gold, dialogue the parchment illuminating their radiance.
for me the really terrifying reality of the intolerance riddled throughout the west today be it identity politics, blm, antifa, cancel culture, or any number of other iterations of rage is the fact that civilisation ……culture, tolerance, a deep education is no more than 1 maybe 2 generations deep after which a 1000 years of struggle to better human ity disappears back into the jungle.
that is the real takeaway of todays western civ implosion. just how fast the slow 2000 year slog through the human mud of barbarity into what we have today can disappear in a blink!
does anyone really want to return to winner take all, you keep what you kill, no prisoners, no mercy?
Right, Ted, it takes only 3 generations to destroy a civilization. The first generation begins to forget. The second generations forgets. The third generation forgets there was anything worth remembering.
“It takes about three generations for people to forget. Those that experience the disaster themselves pass it to their children and their grandchildren, but then the memory fades,” Fumihiko Imamura, a professor in disaster planning at Tohoku University,
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/century-old-warnings-against-tsunamis-dot-japans-coastline-180956448/
how about that!
Let me sum up the discussion following the first piece on Veteran’s Day:
Hard to swallow truth against rationalizing endless and boundless violence.
It will be a long and painful process until the populace of the USA will have become civilised.
That piece was just to spread defeatism
And part of the Kremlin propaganda undermining the USA
Raevsky will pay for this crime too, because he is openly becoming more hostile.
He is revealing himself as the enemy of the USA. Not a smart move.
Of course this comment wont be published but that doesn’t matter
If I have such thoughts, then certainly some authority figure contemplates giving a green light
for SWAT units to deal with traitors and enemies
They can always make it look like an accident, gas pipe explosion or such.
Raevsky is stupid enough to endanger his own children, collateral damage – but why would
Americans care, they all are war criminals, right?
Tic-toc madafaker.
Note by the Saker: this comment was, indeed, intercepted by the moderators, but since it makes my point better than I ever could, I decided to post it. I can’t think of a better illustration of the “cancel” mindset.
It is a criminal offence to threaten someone online in many countries. I just looked it up and in USA, it is punishable by 10 years imprisonment.
The website has “Judge& Executioner’s” IP location address.
Maybe direct action needs to be taken against this bully? I’m sure you would get up lots of support in fundraising to legally deal with this, maybe even press charges against this individual.
That is not the first time, another clown did that a few years ago.
And no, other that being grateful to them for showing their true face (and “values”) I have no intentions to go after either one of them, it’s not worth my time.
But thank you for your concern!
Kind regards
Andrei
Judge & Executioner is not making personal threats, at least that post anyway. His rant is saying what is increasing likely to be true — that the Zionist, neoconservative, neoliberal, corporatist, (ZNNC) goon squads of Fatherland Secrecy are coming after Andrei / The Saker.
Go back to the sewer you came from you uncultured swine!
I use my real name by the way mr coward.
“Go back to the sewer you came from you uncultured swine!
I use my real name by the way mr coward.”
What the hell is this? This is the kind of thing I would advise moderators to trash at a glance.
The trolling is strong with this one
Bravo Andrei, You did it again.
Your critique of the American mentality, of constantly and patriotically enlist to fight foreign wars, are right on the spot.
As the old saying goes: The flack is always greatest when you are directly over the target.
Americans needs to be hammered by critique, until they feel ashamed of their own actions and hive mentality.
Don’t be discouraged by users who claim that you are being trolled.
That argument comes from a generation brainwashed to be pussies, and who believe Trolling is something which must be avoided at all cost.
You and I must be from a ancient generation who is aroused by counter arguments (now called Trolling) and digs in even further with logic arguments, instead of dismissing our opponent as insane.
That is how a real debate is run, and not via political correctness to fit in.
Your critique of the American mentality, of constantly and patriotically enlist to fight foreign wars, are right on the spot.
I would not make a blanket statement about this mentality. Yes, there are such people in the USA, but if you look at the comments of veterans who actually agree with me, you will see that, thank God, there is still at least some folks who get it, and who are even willing to speak the truth, even when that hurts them.
I had the honor of personally knowing Admiral Zumwalt and he not only had the courage not only to look at the war in Vietnam honestly, he had to live with a son who died as a consequence of orders Zumwalt gave (though Zumwalt himself was deceived at that time).
Yes, the US messianic and imperialist ideology is an abomination and some drink that cool aid in amount sufficient to silence their consciences, but not everybody, far from that!
Furthermore, now that the Empire is dead and the USA as we knew it is dead too, this ideology will do two things at the same time: 1) become more strident and 2) become more self-evidently false.
Sooner or later US Americans will come to the earth-shattering conclusion that murdering millions of people in their own homelands is not “patriotic” at all, that they were USED by the ruling elites.
Until then, yes, we will see a lot of desperate flag-waving and chest-thumping.
Let’s just be patient.
I signed up to serve, I was disabled and didn’t do anything I regret. I think it is unfortunate how the leadership has used its defense. I am glad I was not apart of anything that I would personally regret and never was in a conflict. I was young and believed in the US being a force for good until what I saw happen in the former Yugoslavia. Then it took the blinders off.
Internet also didn’t exist in the way it does today. I agree with a lot here. This isn’t defense, it’s thuggery around the world. I have a question for those in charge, is this all necessary for America’s way of life? To arm terrorists and destroy foreign lands? Are resources that finite? If we don’t, someone else will and the “American Dream” would be untenable without keeping a fellow man down, in a foreign land?
When people will actually Defend the nation from dangers? I can only see the Coast Guard doing the good for America in a general sense. They try to stop drug traffickers, human traffickers, rescue people at sea. Though I tend to see Coast Guard ships harassing Iranians in the Persian Gulf, on the otherside of the planet. The problem is coming from the leadership and how they use the military. And they use it for Empire.
I’m a white Vietnam veteran who enlisted to “do my duty” for my country, which was officially “fighting the spread of communism”. I volunteered three times for Vietnam duty but was only sent there the third time. Four years later I read a book entitled Who Rules America and I realized that I had been lied to my entire life by every social structure. I became a Vietnam war protester and helped lead the national college strike against the war. I am proud that I am a man who stood up and was willing to serve, but I’m ashamed that I was an ignorant fool who was used for war crimes that include genocide and war of aggression. I’m ashamed that I was the kind of person who pictured himself “killing gooks” in self created scenarios that made me out to be a hero. What a stupid human being I was!!!
The military seems to have quite a few men and women who do not think at all but only parrot propaganda. This basically means they are quite stupid. This is why I did not have friends in the military. The few veterans with whom I have interacted since my discharge all have retained this fundamental characteristic. I’m not surprised that Poke The Truth and others who expressed support for him are missing the point that they were serving evil in their service. Not being able to think precludes them being able to look at this simple fact, that what we did as young soldiers was murder, destroy, and steal. At some point all of us decided to not see truths in front of us. Unfortunately some of us don’t recognize truth when we see it. I don’t know why veterans resist looking at and considering what people point out to them. It’s perplexing to me. I decided it’s pointless trying to persuade a veteran of anything real, because they don’t seem to want to see it, or are unable to process it.
The same seems to be true of “rednecks”, bikers, and possibly the majority of USians.
I found myself admiring Andrei for his measured and respectful responses to these commenters of this type. They needed to hear the hard truth, which is not found in the US in its structures. We all saw their inability to process it. But the truth remains.
It’s not easy admitting to being a fool, or stupid, but it’s liberating. It also allows for personal advancement. I don’t have to remain foolish. I can educate myself, listen to those who know something and can be trusted.
I’m a veteran, true, I wanted to kill folks, and I’m ashamed of that. Please don’t thank me for my service. I’m not proud of it, and I did nothing for my country except add to its crimes and shame.
Patrick
and I did nothing for my country except add to its crimes and shame.
You are actually doing something VERY precious for your country: you speak the truth!
And, I know, so do many other veterans.
Yes, some are still brainwashed.
But many (more?) having seen the truth with their own eyes do speak up.
That is, indeed, a service for your country which you ought to be thanked for!
Kind regards
Andrei
It takes a real man to accept he made a mistake and to repent.
That is not the one to hammer by critique, but the ones who don’t .
Respect.
Dear Patrick,
You wrote, ” I’m not surprised that Poke The Truth and others who expressed support for him are missing the point that they were serving evil in their service.”
I don’t know what it is about some commenters who don’t understand what I wrote. Maybe you all should carefully reread my first post again in its entirety instead of “cherry-picking” to service your diatribe as did Saker.
1. I was 18 years old.
What does an 18 year kid old know about war other than what we were told by the U.S. President televised in
a nationwide speech? Patrick, you and I are nearly the same age and served in the military during the
Vietnam War. You didn’t come to realize the folly and tragedies of war until 4 years later. That doesn’t
matter to Saker, the sanctimonious judge for all of the war dead caused by American military forces. In his
eyes you and I are both accessories to mass murder, just because we wore the uniform.
2. I devoted a paragraph in my post about how the youth of America (you and me) were used by war profiteers.
Teenage boys are easily swayed by men in uniform who are portrayed as military heroes by the media to set
them up for the next war. We were educated in our public schools that America defeated the Nazi’s in
Europe and the Soviet Red Army well, they helped a little. The historical truth is that America didn’t enter the
war in Europe until January, 1942, three years after the Russian people were fighting for their land, lives and
culture on the eastern front in 1939 during Hitler’s Operation Barbarossa.
America never suffered the eight month siege of Sevastopol that killed 37,000 Russians, the nearly 4 month
siege of Stalingrad (now, Volgograd), a victory for the Soviets at a cost of 478,000 Russians, and the worst of
the worst, the horrific siege of Leningrad (now, St Petersburg) that lasted over 2 years at a cost of 1.5 million
Russian lives. Perhaps if we were educated on those facts of history we may have not been so starry-eyed
about serving in the armed forces. Again, that is no excuse according to Saker, we are still mass murders.
3. I honor the memory of those American military personnel on Veterans Day.
I don’t “celebrate” Veterans Day. Like Memorial Day, for me they are two solemn days of remembrance for
the historical result of what America’s participation and sadly, initiation of what war brings: death of some of
my high-school and college friends, the unnecessary loss of life, destruction of property abroad and the
painful reminder of the meaning of the term, “Ugly American.” Despite Saker’s narrow interpretation of what
he thinks Veterans Day represents to all Americans who “wave the flag,” that doesn’t apply to me.
4. My last paragraph was to call attention to get politically involved.
Apparently Saker thinks the worse of me and that I was repeating the same hubris and arrogance used to
justify foreign entanglements. That was not my intended purpose at all. It was a recognition that our form of
government based upon checks and balances (separation of powers) is being eroded away by self-serving
career politicians who are only concerned with their personal fortunes and remaining in power, from which
they greatly benefit. If we as the electorate, do not take action (deeds) then America will be destroyed from
within and the end of our constitutional freedoms.
Lastly, I would ask Saker to stop and think before he wields his “shasha of demonization” every time he writes a blog entry or reads a comment regarding Americans who wore the uniform. We are not all blood-thirsty, immoral reprobates. Aside from contacting our congressmen and expressing our disapproval, the stark reality is we currently have little control over the foreign policies that come out of Washington, DC. and we have to work to change that.
diatribe as did Saker (…) Saker, the sanctimonious judge (…)
Still making it about me, and not about the innocent victims which US servicemen murdered in their own lands!
Apparently Saker thinks the worse of me
Not at all. I just think that you just lack the basic courage to place truth above your comfort zone. I think of you as a coward, just one amongst many more. That does not make you the worst, it just makes you average.
Lastly, I would ask Saker to stop and think before he wields his “shasha of demonization” every time he writes a blog entry or reads a comment regarding Americans who wore the uniform. We are not all blood-thirsty, immoral reprobates.
If you ignore the innocent blood spilled, you are exactly that: blood-thirsty, immoral reprobates.
But you are right about one thing: MANY of you fellow veterans DID show morality, conscience and courage, so no, not all US servicemen are like you. Some now live free from the lies thanks to their own moral courage.
Aside from contacting our congressmen and expressing our disapproval, the stark reality is we currently have little control over the foreign policies that come out of Washington, DC. and we have to work to change that.
By repeating and validating the lies of those in power, you become a VOLUNTARY servant of those who lied to you. Do you seriously expect me to respect that? Do you think that your lame attempts at making all this about me will inspire me to agree with the propaganda you parrot?
I wish you had the ability to see how your rationalizations and obfuscations sound to those in Zone B who have seen for themselves what “the greatest military in the history of mankind” did in their countries….
Look, I get it: it is not your fault that you were born in a country built on innocent blood or that you were naive enough to fully buy into the propaganda you were fed. And I would NEVER blame you for that! But it IS your fault when you pretend to be anti-imperialist and anti-war while demanding that people show respect (if not gratitude!) to those who murdered innocents not only at home, but all over our planet.
And please don’t blame me for your cognitive dissonance. I am just the one who spoke the painful truth, and your beef is not with me, but with that truth. Here, the choice is yours: wave that flag till you die or free yourself from the servitude to the SOBs who lied to you by refusing to whitewash the actions of those who pulled the trigger (or helped those who did).
Here is what you, and all of us CAN DO: https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/live-not-by-lies
Or not.
The choice is yours.
You wrote, “Here is what you, and all of us CAN DO”
Uh huh, so what have you done Saker, besides point the accusatory finger at others and call them cowards?
Other than your keyboard skills and repository of some specific knowledge, you haven’t made a difference at all in the grand scheme of things. Yes, people such as myself have benefited from your experience and wisdom and have come to appreciate your work with praise and financial gits. But you just can’t seem to get to the next level of success; why is that do you think? Could it be you haven’t expanded your base because your harsh personality and priggish attitude is a detriment to moving ahead?
You are what is referred to in the blogosphere as a “small voice,” a medium size fish in a very small pond. In short, you push people away because they don’t live up to your lofty benchmark. You are not a teacher but have become a petty bureaucrat who demands of others what you are incapable of doing yourself, which is to lead by example.
You mentioned the great Russian author, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Here is one of his many quotes that is appropriate for this discussion:
“It’s an universal law– intolerance is the first sign of an inadequate education. An ill-educated person behaves with arrogant impatience, whereas truly profound education breeds humility.”
I read no humility or patience in your work anymore, only criticism and rebuke if commenters do not bow to your rigid standards. I don’t tolerate that from anyone without just cause, including you, Saker.
I wish you well in your future endeavors.
And still it’s all about me, how bad I am, how I should shut up and go away… :-)
And still not a single word about the millions of murdered innocent victims worldwide
You really don’t see that you are making my case better than I ever could?
What more do you want, Saker, for me to cut my wrists so you can drink the blood of retribution?
Your ad hominems are becoming increasingly infantile.
I already told you want I want: the truth about the millions of innocent people which were murdered, in their own country, by US military forces which had to cross the planet to murder them.
And I want an end to the ideology of rationalization which made all that possible.
That’s it.
You deliberately cherry-picked the last paragraph from my entire response to you where I clearly denounced war. By doing that you lead the community to think I support war.
That is shameful and an act of hypocritical cowardice.
You denounce war yet you uphold the lies and ideology which make them possible.
Not ONCE did you show any sympathy or, even less so, repentance towards those million who were murdered because of these lies and ideology.
You can’t have it both way: either your heart is with the innocents, or it is with the perpetrators.
The rest is just “verbal wrapping paper”.
To condemn war is to renounce the ideology behind it. I didn’t realize I had to spell that out for you.
If you parrot the ideology behind the war, and they claim to condemn the war, that makes you a hypocrite.
Repentance is the feeling and act in which one recognizes and tries to right a wrong, or gain forgiveness from someone whom he wronged. I didn’t wrong you or take the life of anyone.
If you “served” in the US military, you wronged millions of people, whether you were pulling the trigger or cleaning latrines makes no difference: one acts, the other enables. And if you did not “serve” a single day, then you are now cheering for the SOBs who did. At the very minimum that makes you an accomplice to aggression and genocide. FYI – Julius Streicher never killed a single person either…
You take the position the Vietnam communists were “innocent” only because the U.S. started an illegal war. But you didn’t condemn them for their brutality and the thousands they murdered of the general population since1930 prior to the Vietnam War.
Ah, finally!! Here come out those bad bad bad bad Vietnamese and how their bad actions somehow whitewash the US aggression against their country. By that logic, the entire planet should invade the USA and you should give them a standing ovation, right? What the likes of you miss is that whatever the alleged evil deeds of others (whether real or imaginary) are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS – it’s their country, not yours.
Why do you lash out at me and not critical of them or is it because you believe communism justifies such heinous acts?
Oh jee, there we go – now its about me being a Commie sympathizer (where is McCarthy when we need him!). So let’s set aside the evil Vietnamese – how about all the other countries which the US military attacked, subverted, destroyed, bombed, sanctioned, etc. etc. etc. – they were all guilty if “heinous acts” (including tiny Grenada, I suppose!) and, in fact, the USA has been only “cleaning our planet” from evil people while promoting human rights, freedom, democracy and the like.
Until now I did not lash out at you at all, I just addressed your “arguments”, but now I will: now that you are openly turning against the MILLIONS victims of the US military you make me nauseated with disgust. You have finally shown us all your TRUE face and the total hypocrisy of your double standards. And, for that, I am grateful to you
“But you just can’t get to the next level of success.” Saker’s work is very valuable, because it denounces injustice in the world. He does his part, and that already bothers the empire. There is no neutrality, so clearly you defend the empire. You don’t get the truth, that the Anglo-Saxon Zionist empire is bringing moral decadence to the planet!!!
Bothers the empire? That’s risible; they don’t even know Saker exists. As I wrote, he’s a medium size fish in a small pond.
And I do not defend the empire, go back and reread my original post.
I have supported this blog financially and with respect for years and have agreed with all but two of his articles: the one behind the idiotic COVID-19 rule and now the claim that all American veterans are mass murders. That is a personal attack on me and violates rule 2 of his moderation policy.
My size really is irrelevant here, I do what I can, as Roger Waters sings it “each small candle lights a corner of the dark”, and I am happy to be even a tiny small candle.
COVID is not even a topic here, so please leave that out.
Which leaves the issue of US veterans: are they (at the very least) all accomplices in mass murder? Yes, of course, that is a fact that no amount of flagwaving will conceal. If reality is a “personal attack on you”, then take it up with reality, not with me.
It is hardly my fault that US veterans never fought in a just war, never fought to defend their country or their families, but only fought to destroy OTHER countries and OTHER families.
I am sad for you that you were conned by your rulers, but when I hear you parroting the very same ideology which made it all possible in the first place, that places you firmly in the camp of those who EVEN NOW are STILL accomplices in this gigantic lie.
Maybe my blog is tiny and I am the smallest of fish in a tiny puddle.
But at least that lie does not survive through me. And I try to keep my tiny puddle is kept clean from lies as best I can.
For a tiny little fish, that is already a tiny small victory over the forces of darkness.
Cheers
@ Poke the truth.
I responded to you in the thread about Veterans Day, to pinpoint the exact moments where the American hive mind is losing Logic.
It started by your Grandfather Leaving Italy, to be free of Fascism, instead of staying to fight it.
Your Grandfather didn’t realize that Fascism grew out of Communism turned into Socialism, turned into Fascism. It is a manipulated decent into National totalitarianism, to save the State apparatus and the national Elite, by enslaving and plundering its own and foreign populations.
Hitler learned from Mussolini the way to turn a Nation into Fascism, and used the same MO in Germany.
Fascism is to combine the power of the State with the power of Corporations and the media.
Nazism in to combine the Power of Nationalist (Royalty) Socialist (Unions) Zionist (Jews) and Industrialist (Corporations).
Your Grandfathers misconception was imprinted into you farther, and he gave it on to you, by applauding that you go to Vietnam to fight Communism.
Your farther did not know that after WWII, the fleeing NAZI s of Germany were imported into USA via operation Paperclip, and were place in both the state apparatus and the Military industrial complex.
The German NAZI scientists within the US created the nuclear bomb, Rockets/Missiles, and the SARS-COV-2.
During 2 generations the NAZI dynasties in America have turned the US into a Fascist Empire, by eradicating the separation of power described in the US Constitution, and formed what is today called: A Public Private Partnership = Fascism.
As long as the American Hive mind are following the “American traditions”, the sons and daughters of America will keep being used as mercenaries for a Fascist Empire.
The Land of the free and the brave, created be displaced population (Migration), has become the slave Whore of Babylon.
G.W. Bush: “They hate us for our freedoms” – “You are either with US or against us”
I wonder if the American population will ever remove the Fascist Elite, like the Italian population did after WWII.
https://www.custermen.com/ItalyWW2/ILDUCE/Mussolini.htm
I dont hate Americans, or you Poke the truth.
But Damn, you got to be educated before you volunteer to fight WWIII for the Global Elite.
It’s easy to criticize from hindsight an immigrant (my grandfather) who came to America without knowing the circumstances involved. He had no wife and no one to take care of his eight-year old son (my future father). America offered the only hope and he took it.
By your logic, I suppose all the Hungarians who fled Hungary for America during the 1953 revolution should have stayed and gotten crushed by soviet tanks. That makes no sense.
For over twenty years I have spoke against war in written articles and in conversations with other veterans. I joined an American Legion post after my military discharge that was principally made up of 75 – 80 year old combat veterans of World War II who fought in the European and pacific theaters. Some acknowledged the destructiveness of war, the loss of all the lives including their comrades and the massive property damage. Others believed their sacrifice contributed to stopping the Nazi death machine and the Japanese naval forces that preemptively attacked Pearl Harbor.
The few Vietnam veterans in the Legion Post were disillusioned and mentally frayed from their experiences and were seeking some help because the U.S. Military abandoned them to the streets and there are still thousands of them my age (70+ years old) out there, wasting away.
I assure you that none of us had any knowledge of the political and economic machinations behind war, we went, we fought and many died because we trusted the word of our government. I respect their service on Veterans Day and Memorial Day despite the futility of war because their intent was honorable as misguided as it was.
Short of armed revolution, the only peaceful way to kick the fascists out of Washington, DC is to work at the grassroots level and get responsible and moral people into political office. We have had only a handful of successes and many disappointments but we are not giving up.
Saker can’t understand this at all. He’s been a legal alien in the United States for decades but has no desire to help change the political situation by becoming a citizen and participating in the right of suffrage.
Even Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote here, “And so: We need not be the first to set out on this path, <b.Ours is but to join! The more of us set out together, the thicker our ranks, the easier and shorter will this path be for us all! If we become thousands—they will not cope, they will be unable to touch us. If we will grow to tens of thousands—we will not recognize our country!”
Saker doesn’t want to join, he only criticizes others who don’t measure up to his standards. He could be a great contributor to the cause but chooses to remain a small voice. So be it.
We want America to be rid of the political corruption controlled by global corporate interests, the fraud of Wall Street, the mislead Christian Zionists who believe in the falsity of “Judaeo-Christian” values, the weapons industry and their revolving door admirals and generals who wear undeserved medals and ribbons on their epaulets of war crimes.
We know the strategic landscape of the world has changed. Russia and China will not tolerate the continued abuses of the globalist syndicate who recklessly position the U.S.-NATO alliance on their doorsteps.
President Putin was not kidding when he wrote about the dangers of nuclear conflict in 2018, ““Certainly, it would be a global disaster for humanity; a disaster for the entire world,” Putin said, in an interview for a Russian documentary “The World Order 2018,” adding that “as a citizen of Russia and the head of the Russian state I must ask myself: Why would we want a world without Russia?”
Talk is cheap, deeds are the measure and those of us in America have to step up otherwise we will all be burned out husks including Saker if we don’t join together and take action.
He’s been a legal alien in the United States for decades but has no desire to help change the political situation by becoming a citizen and participating in the right of suffrage.
Oh boy, now that is truly a flaccid accusation. If you really believe that voting will change the system, then I have bridges to sell to you all over the world.
anyway
still not a word about the millions of innocents murdered (by those whom elections put into power, by the way).
So, by all means, go and chose between Pepsi and Cola and feel that “you made a difference” at the ballot box.
So let’s sum it all up:
You: the Saker is a !*(#@()*&%*(&*@!~!!!!!
Me: millions of innocent people murdered worldwide by your military.
Sums it all up nicely and shows what our priorities, our values, are.
Shall we stop here?
No we will not stop, we will continue because brothers argue all the time. It does not mean they no longer love each other.
Why do you think I purchased your books in hard copy and not a digital download? Because I wanted to have in my possession the tactile sense of your thoughts in my hands. Because writing is your passion to speak of God again and to gain knowledge of Russia and the truth shrouded behind the curtain of the Wizard of Lies. You have literary talent; everybody who swims in your little pond knows that.
How do you know that voting wouldn’t change the system if you never participate?
To paraphrase Solzhenitsyn, “We do not even fear a common nuclear death, do not fear a third world war (perhaps we’ll hide away in some crevice), but fear only to take a civic stance!”
A civic stance means joining together in common cause. Join us and fight the good fight; become a citizen and help us.
P.S. Fix your keyboard, some of your keys are broken.
!*(#@()*&%*(&*@!~!!!!! makes no sense.
How do you know that voting wouldn’t change the system if you never participate?
By not supporting it and by denouncing it as best I can
Join us and fight the good fight; become a citizen and help us.
Never.
!*(#@()*&%*(&*@!~!!!!! makes no sense.
Such “keyboard-grabage” is used to represent insults one does not want to repeat and spell out
PokeTheTruth (in Quotes)
“It’s easy to criticize an immigrant who came to America without knowing the circumstances involved”.
I wrote in the thread about Migration, that I don’t believe Migration solves any problems.
I’m certain that both former troubles and new ones will follow you to your new location.
So stay and fight.
“I suppose all the Hungarians who fled Hungary for America during the 1953 revolution should have stayed and gotten crushed by soviet tanks”.
The Danes stayed in Denmark when the 3 Reich occupied our nation and fought back via sabotage.
“None of us had any knowledge of the political and economic machinations behind war, we trusted the word of our government”.
That is why I hammer Americans about – Education – in world history.
“Short of armed revolution, —-“
Americans has got a job to do. Let’s go Bandon.
“People in America have to step up otherwise we will all be burned out husks if we don’t join together and take action”.
FIFY
“How do you know that voting wouldn’t change the system?”
I saw the last Presidential Election in America and in France.
They settled what voting is worth in the west of today.
“A civic stance means joining together in common cause.”
No, Civic stance means a civilian stand without Arms.
And we are long past that window of opportunity.
Too short.ZZ
Respect!
“This basically means they are quite stupid”. No, just dumb/ignorant.
Stupidity is never learning from experience.
Yes and not different for the French about la France patrie des droits de l’homme.
My strong and growing impression is that people read what they want to understand, not what is written, and this phenomena, so long entrenched everywhere, is greatly exacerbated by the current global battle of freedom, and increases with stress, and any form of mind and moral-intuitive absence.
Q: Is Soviet psychiatry still alive in 2021?
A: No idea, really. The angry noises which you elicited by telling the truth about Pindo self-worship in general and its militaristic overtones in particular are symptomatic of a deeply flawed national character. The point is that one thing which all nationalisms, reactionary and progressive ones alike — no blanket condemnation of nationalism as such here — have in common is that what undergirds them primarily is land. The US came into being as a genocidal, land-grabbing Euro-squatter s••thole country, spiced with some putrid tales about an American ”revolution”. The praise of the US armed forces is an acknowledgement of the fact that it’s cozy and comfortable to live off other peoples’ lands, natural resources, and labour output. This has very little to do with Soviet psychiatry; it’s nationalism based on parasitism, past and present. Let it be known that a Russian genuine misfit such as Navalny would have been correctly diagnosed as mentally compromised. He is a drug-addicted Nazi who long ago lost his moral compass.
It has been well argued that the Soviet Union was a Zionist project, and the USA has certainly been under the Zionist yoke for a very long time. Perhaps, and this is suggested only as a possibility, not an absolutist arguement, the use of psychiatry to characterize and diminish dissent and crinethink is a zionist strategy as much as it is anything else.
I always thought that the creation of the Soviet Union was a social experiment – tabula rasa – the new Soviet Man and Woman. And the USA also a social experiment but on a much more insidious manner – slowly manipulate society to create that new Alphabet person. Soviet psychiatry or more like zionist psychiatry for, who is the father of psychiatry?
The Americans will eat each other, no need to worry Saker. Noone will harm their precious veterans except for themselves. They hate each other more than anyone else.
Ms. Babbitt was offed much faster than Mr. Floyd was, very telling of their patriotism.
Judge & Executioner wrote
“That piece was just to spread defeatism”
No it was the reality right between your eyes
“All part of the Kremlin propaganda undermining the USA”.
Kremlin does not need to fight America. Fascism is killing America from within.
That is the bottom line in most of the critique raised toward the USA in this debate, including mine.
You are publicly threatening to kill the Saker or his children, because he has criticized the US mentality of committing war crimes for generations.
Is it any wonder that people all over the world are becoming hostile toward USA?
Do you think people in general care anymore whether revealing their opposition is smart or not?
The Judge & Executioner don’t seem to realize that the world, are uniting against the US, despite great political differences. Just like the world united against NAZI Germany in WWII. History Repeating.
So Tic-toc yourself.
Nature thrives in diversity & dies in monoculture.
We are a part of nature tho we like to think we are above all that, but look around at the mess we’ve made of life on earth.
United we live, divided: we are this Vs you are that, screw you. Enjoy.
“How about the irony of going to Vietnam to fight the Commies only to come back home and fight the dissidents just like the Commies would :-)”
Well, I do not feel that as irony, but as yet unrecognised psychiatric condition that should be named “Involuntarily Induced Cognitive Dissonance”.
Common in individuals that has been exposed to full spectrum weaponized propaganda. Such individuals should not be judged for their false beliefs, as those are pushed into their heads by masters of con-artistry. They also should be considered as victims of Crypto-Feudal attack on the World.
Question is should someone help them to break out of golden cage? I do not think it is doable.
Brain refuse to accept that it was bamboozled for a whole life. Because, that, inevitably, leads to conclusion that one was ignorant, gullible, opportunistic (usefull) idiot. It is much more pleasant to continue “life” in the Matrix.
On top of that, historical fact is that anti-emperial revolutions wasn’t eventualy crushed only in countries that was lead by ruthless dictators at the cost of millions of human lives.
Empire’s meddlings are like cancer that can be defeated only by the most extreme measures. By cutting in the healthy tissue, poisoning the whole body, burning with lasers or hefty doses od radiation. Until body heals. In the next life. Or generation(s). Not many are prepared to endure that.
Following analogy, being the closest to a source, Westerners are the people the most exposed. They are in a state similar to terminal phase of cancer. Body made of 99%ers, stricken with all kinds of painfull symptoms, with huge tumor attached on it, happily thriving and growing exponentialy. Or, maybe, better analogy is with parasite that compels host to attack others to suck lifeforce and to spread disease?
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Mark Twain said something along the lines of what you’re saying. It is easier to fool people than convince them they have been fools.
The Founders’ words (incl the Constitution) are often too literal, and with little thought of their long-range effects. They were feel-good goals that couldn’t (and shouldn’t) be achieved, but only strived for. The Founders themselves knew this, as they almost immediately passed laws against the lofty goals they stated, but which were practical: immigration act restricting to free whites of good character, Sedition Act of 1798, severe crime for pornographers, etc.
Since the time of our Founders I think experience has taught us that lofty goals need to be grounded in reality, and part of reality is that 100% free speech will be exploited by people with bad goals. A society needs to have bounds of acceptable and unacceptable behavior.
That said, I didn’t have a major problem with what you wrote the other day, although I didn’t agree with a fair amount of it. I think soldiers are to be honored no matter the side they are on, and we need to realize war is always going to have incidents that shock the conscience by it’s very nature. Hand-wringing over who is the bad guy is a nonsensical exercise in war. Just win, then write a history that is favorable to you. BTW, we did the same thing in WW2 yet somehow many of those involved with this site seem to think we were the good guys there, but that is a different subject.
I think soldiers are to be honored no matter the side they are on,
I cannot accept this logic as it places an “equal” sign between the guy how defends his OWN HOME and the guy who came from across the oceans to murder the owner of that home.
Hand-wringing over who is the bad guy is a nonsensical exercise in war. Just win, then write a history that is favorable to you
Yup, indeed, except for two problems:
1) The US never won a war
2) The official narrative is now questioned (and, truly, has been for a while)
Finally, what is in your opinion the difference between a solider and a sicario?
Or do you think that the latter ought to be honored too?
Quick question. You often like to point out that the current cold was is only 5% kinetic. In that light, do you still feel that the US never won a single war? A quick survey of many foreign cultures in 2021 would suggest otherwise (including modern Russia) but I’d like to hear your opinion on this.
and I did nothing for my country except add to its crimes and shame.
Nope, I wrote that about the CURRENT war between Russia and the Empire.
However, you are right about one thing: the US is not very good at (real) war, but they are the masters of propaganda, that is absolutely undeniable.
You call it propaganda. Others call it soft power. If it works, it works, right? Isn’t that what American Pragmatism was always about?
Look at China. They’ve lost plenty of wars, and yet they are still here and their culture is very much intact after all those thousands of years.
The US had minimal impact on the outcome of WW2. And yet, it is hard to argue that it was the one country that benefitted the most from it. So, who really won: the “back to back world war champions” or the country that may have destroyed the most German divisions but whose own pop stars are today openly questioning what is there to celebrate in May 9?
If it works, it works, right?
It sure did during the Cold War, no argument here!
But after the Kabul faceplant, I think that its over for that propaganda: now everybody has seen the truth, even those who won’t admit to it.
As the saying goes, you can lie to some people all the time, and you can like to all people for some time, but you cannot lie to all the people all the time.
The US had minimal impact on the outcome of WW2. And yet, it is hard to argue that it was the one country that benefitted the most from it.
You are 1000% correct here.
So, who really won: the “back to back world war champions” or the country that may have destroyed the most German divisions but whose own pop stars are today openly questioning what is there to celebrate in May 9?
And this time you are 10000% correct.
So let’s do our best to change that!
“A quick survey of many foreign cultures in 2021 would suggest otherwise (including modern Russia) but I’d like to hear your opinion on this.”
to reinforce your point
in the MAKS 2021 show in Moscow the new Russian “Checkmate” fighter airplane SU75
was introduced in …. ENGLISH!
unimaginable just few decades ago…
the Empire won beyond belief.
Okay, I am all for rapping at Russians for their “useenglisheverywhere” personality disorder, I hate that myself (I even hate the invasion of Russian by foreign words when a perfectly good Russian word already exists). But in this case, the Su-75 is almost totally aimed at export, at foreign markets, thus writing ” ШАХМАТ” would not have been as “sexy” as Checkmate. Also, think about this: the Russians are talking in English, right? So that assumes that the person to whom your words are directed are English-speakers, right? Ok, so what language does a Russian chess player use to tell his opponent that the latter lost the game? So yes, I think that this name “Checkmate” is a not too subtle “f..k you – we won!” to the Anglo-Zionists.
The majority of US interventions was pirate raids, not a War. Winning does not apply on robbery, only amount of loot.
Robbers are not protected by Geneva Convention, regardles they call themselves soldiers or mercenaries.
What infuriates is the fact that literaly the same people incite others into war frenzy again and again without consequences. Why?
Robbers are not protected by Geneva Convention, regardles they call themselves soldiers or mercenaries.
Actually, that is not true. The Geneva Conventions DO protect all soldiers and even, to some degree, mercenaries though the latter MUCH less.
Please see here for the Common Article 3 of these Conventions: https://www.icj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Geneva-Conventions-art-3.pdf for the Common
There are also fundamental human rights which apply to everybody, even mercenaries (and also liberation movements, by the way).
cheers
Sadly, you are right. My bad. I should reread GC more carefully.
There is also an issue of “enemy combatants” and their treatment in Gitmo.
The leaders of the USA invented that “enemy combatant” thing PRECISELY to bypass the Geneva Conventions and all the other legal instruments (law of war, international humanitarian law, etc.).
There are PLENTY of other examples!
For example, the US loves to use “segregation” (solitary confinement) to “punish” the non-compliant.
That is considered torture under international war.
In fact, the entire US GULAG is one gigantic affront to human rights: the punishment is not the loss of liberty (which are regulated by laws) but TORTURE: torture by violence of the prison guards, torture by noise, torture by horrible food, torture by “bubba will make you his girlfriend”, torture by heat AND by air conditioning, torture by endless humiliations, etc. etc. etc.
And the worst part of it all: it is ONLY torture for the poor (the rich don’t have to fear any of that).
Civilization begins by the respect for the rule of law.
The USA is a developed country, but not a civilized one.
But even that will change, and as the protestors sing “we shall over come one day”!
We just all need to do our own part, however modest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTkP8DsKaJo
Re: “[Palestinian] 𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘥𝘢𝘺”
Dear Saker,
One artist who changed my life as a teen, and who sensitized me to the HUGE and HISTORIC injustices against Palestinians was Naji Al-Ali. An anti-Charlie Hebdo, if you will, on our side. He drew devastatingly for Truth. He emphasized the role of USA, Zionism and its sea of stooges..
Just as I find black & white photography to be superior, his simple B & W cartoons were so shattering.. He cut through the BS. He was fearless, killed in London due to the effects of his pen.
http://www.handala.org/cartoons/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6LFJkORcnE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA62i33GtBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWD2o-jOLRk
you can search online or @ YT for countless more of his works.
thank you!
I think soldiers are to be honored no matter the side they are on, and we need to realize war is always going to have incidents that shock the conscience by it’s very nature.
Do you think, Zorost, that someone who holds this ethos is a soldier?
“I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade”
No mention of unlawful conduct or non-combatants. No mention of wounded enemy either; indeed, no mention of honour.
As you say prosecuting war assaults one’s conscience. Combat is the most emotionally intense of human activities — harming and killing other humans — and people who do so must always be conscious of their humanity in very difficult circumstances lest they behave worse than animals.
The ethos listed above is nothing short of that of a murderous savage bereft of honour or humanity.
https://www.army.mil/values/warrior.html
“I think soldiers are to be honored no matter the side they are on, and we need to realize war is always going to have incidents that shock the conscience by it’s very nature.”
Your ideas are truly disturbing. If all soldiers are to be honored, then you should be honoring Nazi soldiers as well. Your rationalization of “war is always going to have shocking incidents” amounts to sugar-coating crimes against humanity and barbaric brutalities. There is aggression, and there is defense; there is combat and killing between equals, and there is the willful slaughter and mass murder of innocents. You seem unable to see the differences here.
J aurais plusieurs choses a dire.
Il n y a plus de valeurs occidentales. De nos jours ces valeurs ont ete beaucoup trop politisees elles n ont plus de sens. Elles servent seulement a alimenter la propagande occidentale classique nous sommes le bien ceux qui ne pensent pas comme nous sont le mal et puisque ils sont le mal on peut les attaquer. La Syrie est une horrible dictature mais l arabie saoudite est le Paradis des droits de l homme. Si les migrants viennent de Lybie pour passer en italie on va les chercher et c est un crime de les refouler. Si les migrants viennent de bielorussie et essaient de rentrer en pologne on deploie des tanks pour les arreter et c est un crime de les accepter. Vous voyez le delire total? C est simplement absurde.
La cancel culture a toujours existe mais elle etait portee plus sur la politique exterieure qu interieure. Les guerres d aggression pure et de regime change sont de la cancel culture. Ceux qui sont differents doivent etre modifies de force pour nous ressembler. Ou sont la diversite et la tolerance?
Enfin j ai envie de dire que les usa ne font qu imposer leur volonte par la force. Je jour ou ils ne seront plus assez forts pour imposer leur volonte de force ils se prendront pardonnez moi l expression une avalanche de merde de proportion biblique. Vu la tendance actuelle ce n est qu une question de temps.
Yandex translation. Mod:
I’d have a few things to say.
There are no more Western values. Nowadays these values have been far too politicized they no longer make sense. They only serve to feed Western propaganda: we are the good those who do not think like us are the evil and since they are the evil we can attack them. Syria is a horrible dictatorship but Saudi Arabia is a human rights paradise. If the migrants come from Libya to cross to Italy we will look for them and it is a crime to turn them away. If migrants come from Belarus and try to return to Poland, we deploy tanks to arrest them and it is a crime to accept them. You see the total delire? This is simply absurd.
Cancel culture has always existed but it was more about external politics than internal. The wars of pure aggression and regime change are of the cancel culture. Those who are different must be forcibly modified to resemble us. Where are diversity and tolerance?
Finally, I want to say that the USA is only imposing its will by force. I day or they will no longer be strong enough to impose their will by force they will take forgive me the expression an avalanche of shit of biblical proportion. Given the current trend it is only a matter of time.
@Laurent
“La cancel culture a toujours existe mais elle etait portee plus sur la politique exterieure qu interieure. Les guerres d aggression pure et de regime change sont de la cancel culture.”
Yandex traduction:
Excellente observation ! Le recours à des pratiques réservées à la guerre contre d’autres pays est la mesure de l’ampleur de la lutte interne entre les factions occidentales, dans d’autres ténèbres informationnelles impénétrables. Qui sont ces factions est encore un mystère complet.
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“Cancel culture has always existed but it was more about external politics than internal. The wars of pure aggression and regime change are of the cancel culture.”
Excelent observation! Resorting to practices reserved for war on other countries is measure for magnitude of internal struggle among Western factions, in othervise, impenetrable information darkness. Who those factions are is still complete mystery.
For Europeans, the memory of veterans of past wars these days it is more the remembrance of patriotism than imperialism. Note the word remembrance, as in nostalgia.
The only big armies left in Europe are the British and the French. British people are submerging under wokeness; French people are in soft insurrection state – Les Gilets Jaunes. For them, respect for veterans is about, respectively, preservation or restoration of nationalism.
For Americans, things are much more lively. Their righteousness abroad that all is what remains from the American Dream, except if you are a highly successful individual, as well as totally immersed on whatever you do or apolitical.
You triggered a reaction of angry denial.
The only big armies left in Europe are the British and the French
I assure you that both of these are a joke by now.
Ditto for the German one, by the way.
Bravo!
Your previous post was quite good in my humble opinion and this comment is interesting as well. Both very dialectic.
There’s an interesting deception and duality in the whole story between war-crime and aggression masked as justice and savior complex, and now oppression and personality assassination masked as freedom and exceptionalism.
One can see many parallels between the Soviet’s thinking and how today’s US Americans (both “conservative” and “liberal”) think. Oh no, “cancel culture” is not at all the prerogative of the “lefties”. In any case, “cancel culture” goes fully against any true liberalism.
Well, these reactions are not surprising, you are stumbling on seventy years of propaganda so pervasive in movies, tv, incorrect history in schools. I grew up here in the colonies with the myth of the good American soldiers who liberated Italy from the Nazis, and the good American soldiers defending the free world from the communism and them the terrorists… you know, Italian population is quite cold for military stuff, nevertheless I was sincerely believing these things about US veterans. It took me some years of truly studying history and questioning previous certainties to reach the truth. But unfortunately for most of the people, one well done movie weights more than ten well written books.
Am reminded of a quote, of which I can’t recall who stated it, but was said in the 50’s: In the future the Soviet Union will become like the United States and the United States will become like the Soviet Union.
Well it seems more and more obvious that western societies do not grasp the reality of war. Just look at what the sun wrote. It’s reported by RT.
https://www.rt.com/news/540…
UK papers are hyping the revival of a Cold War-era US artillery unit in Germany, supposed to be armed with ‘Dark Eagle’ hypersonic missiles that will be able reach Moscow in mere minutes, once they are developed.
‘Dark Eagle has landed’ proclaimed The Sun, originally reporting that the new US missiles could “blitz Russia” in just six minutes – before revising that to “21 minutes and 30 seconds” – along with a graphic showing Moscow being vaporized in a mushroom cloud.
En parlant de maladies mentales j aurais une question pour le saker. Comment c est possible qu un article comme celui ci, qui celebre le fait d utiliser des armes nucleaires sur Moscou une ville de plus de 12 millions d habitants, puisse etre publie par the sun? Ils sont devenus completement fous? Qu est ce qui se passe au royaume uni? Je suis choque de lire une telle chose. Comment un tel article a t il pu recevoir le feu vert de la redaction de ce journal?
Google translation,MOD:
Speaking of mental illness, I have a question for the saker. How is it possible that an article like this, which celebrates the use of nuclear weapons on Moscow, a city of more than 12 million inhabitants, could be published by the sun? Have they gone completely crazy? What is happening in the UK? I am shocked to read such a thing. How could such an article receive the green light from the editorial staff of this newspaper?
@Laurent
Nothing surprising, nor anything new, about this distasteful article in the Sun. Almost all human societies, especially the British and Americans, declare “open season” on some chosen enemy from time to time. Such chosen enemies can be genocided, raised to the ground, bombed back to the stone age, etc. in films, news, cartoons, news, stories, etc. without any moral qualms whatsoever.
Otherwise God-fearing Americans may passionately call for “bombing country x back to the stone age” or for “nuke the lot of them” without batting an eyelid. Those issuing such calls are viewed as patriotic, not as thuggish psychopaths. The Sun is a typical Anglo tabloid. Its front page is often murderous war psychopathy, its inner pages titillating gossip, soft porn, pinups, sunshine girls, celebrity worship and other rubbish of appeal to the trashier sort of Anglos.
@Laurent: “Comment c est possible qu un article comme celui ci, qui celebre le fait d utiliser des armes nucleaires sur Moscou une ville de plus de 12 millions d habitants, puisse etre publie par [un journal populaire comme] The Sun?”
One could see this coming years ago in Syria, when the invaders — especially Israel — began to talk about using “mini-nukes”. How big is a mini? The talk was obviously intended to habituate people to the idea of nuclear escalation; in the Middle East, escalation up to The Samson Option, and in Europe (as reported now in the Sun) escalation up to The Moscow Holocaust. Incidentally, the idea of a Moscow Holocaust was introduced a few years ago by Obomba, the POTU$A with a Nobel Peace Prize.
Typical omnicidal, masturbatory fantasies. The good thing about them is that they make it a, shall we say, little harder for the Russian Liberals and their entourage to improve their pathetic approval ratings. Whether the Western rags and their readership actually care one iota about the actual (as opposed to imagined) consequences of this putrid garbage, I have no idea. What matters is that, by now, Russia is clearly beyond their means. We shall see if they will attempt any violence against the RF because of the migrants at the Polish-Belarusian border. Clearly, imagining a nuclear blast wiping out Moscow expresses frustration, and frustrations call for easing the pressure. No surprise there whatsoever.
An equivalent of this kind of spiritual vitality would be a if a porn mag tried to ”destroy” a highly successful, famous, and intelligent woman by sexual slanders. Works fairly well with the mag’s esteemed readership perhaps, but that’s about it.
Tried to click on the link, but then it led to a 404 error.
You mean this one?
https://www.rt.com/news/540162-hypersonic-nukes-germany-moscow/
Yesterday the link I posted worked. RT has surely changed something. Tanks for posting the new working link.
“I was 18 years old”. One hears this argument a lot. But of course there were plenty of 18 year olds who, on the basis of their conscientious objection to the war in Vietnam, chose either not to sign up or to refuse to be drafted, instead going to jail or fleeing over the border to Canada. Being 18 years old is neither here nor there.
Indeed. I was 17 when 9/11 happened and did not jump on the war bandwagon. I knew enough history and had enough common sense then that the US was lying.
It is hard to fight against the propaganda might of the US but it can be done, even at a young age.
Hi Andrei – wonderful defense article – loved it.
Thankfully I didn’t read any except the top one – what pompousness I scented – so I guess I just rolled quickly down looking for anyone I knew – btw – I ALWAYS read your replies – they’re always worth it.
Thanks for everything and you are so lucky to live in Florida
Ann
‘The Saker’ blogsite is one of the very very rare ‘phenomenon’ in the 21st century world which exhibit:
(a) courage to think and then write (90% of Alternate Media are facade of Deep State lies and damn lies)
(b) spirit to explore truth even if it is bitter (99% of Mainstream Media run concocted reports)
(c) transparency in everything they do
Hence, it is duty and responsibility of the readers to ensure that the website could continue for decades to come, at least in the same fashion as it does now! After reading some of the comments, I felt that a large section of the employees and families of the US defense forces are yet to accept the historic reality (that they were/are used as pawns in the games Zionist-Capitalists have been playing since 1600 CE) !!! Truth will remain truth irrespective of how it is presented.
I felt that a large section of the employees and families of the US defense forces are yet to accept the historic reality.
It is not always so easy as one thinks. Once you have identified yourself with that you wre as it were that, the later you have to sort of kill something in you! Only the strong or those that have been touched by something deeper can do that, not everyone is up to that. That how I understand it
The gravest risk when fighting an enemy is that one gradually becomes more and more like the other in overcoming him. Tactics and morality shifts, and before you know it, you have adopted so much of the enemy’s approach that you are alike.
I thought your piece yesterday was almost self-evident.
Yes, it is an expression of Western values, crusades, inquisitions, the doctrine of discovery and all the crimes committed in the name of the white man as culture bearer.
When I was 17 I spent time in Germany and had the opportunity to talk with people who were in the war, some soldiers some officers. Olso with men who were in the hitlerjugend. It was an ideal for them they believed hart and soul in the “mission” It meant everything to them. I noticed how difficult it was for them even after 20 years to come to terms with the facts. There was noting to help them going through a catharsis. They understood the evil that was around and had lodged inside them. Yes they felt very bad and had difficulty talking about it. I just was happy that I wasnt born there at that time I understand poke.
Father forgive them they do not know what they are doing. ( I don’t know the exact words)
General Omar Bradley:
We live in a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants, in a world that has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. We have solved the mystery of the atom and forgotten the lessons of the Sermon on the Mount. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about dying than we know about living.
—U.S. Army General Omar Bradley to the 1947 U.S. Army Graduating Class of West Point
“ I will end with a rhetorical question: is this manner of dealing with dissent and crimethink a manifestation of the famous “western values”?”
I’m reminded of Gandhi’s reply when asked by a British reporter what he thought of Western civilization: “I think it is a very good idea.”
Dear Saker,
This and your previous related piece caused an outpouring of comments from American patriots, vets, and their sympathizers. These replies were disturbing, deeply disturbing, as would be posts defending evil or trying to rationalize genocide and wholesale destruction of country after country.
I think you ran into a wall of hubris, exceptionalism, and moral idiocy, induced by successful propaganda and brainwashing. Many people of that mindset will casually drop nukes truly believing that they are making the world a better place! How do you argue or reason with such people?
Cruel and cynical though it may sound, the cure to American patriotism can come not through reasoning and persuasion but only through Nuremburg style trials for war crimes, preceded by convincing displays of war coming home to the shores of America. Having bombed country after country with impunity for some seventy years now, the pains and horrors of war are not known to the inhabitants of island America. War to them has come to mean the easy beating up, bombing, and destruction of weak and defenseless countries. In their twisted minds they are not committing genocide but merely “punishing” those needing it and thus upholding the good and the moral. Exactly the same mindset as the Nazis and therefore the need of the same treatment. History shows us that the Germans developed a conscience only after WW2 and the Nuremburg trials.
The above is posted in great sadness and with hope that HE may yet show us less painful solutions to the moral and existential crisis of our times.
saker
among the most painful experiences a person can feel is to place their trust and belief into a system, government, a narrative, a national myth pretending to be real and then give your time, your life your health and maybe those of your children’s as well only to come to discover you have been lied to your whole life.
that what was told you as true and honorable is a lie covering up something monstrous, something of which you willingly chose to be a part.
THAT saker is what generates in some who see the light but still become enraged at the messenger for telling them the truth….. that what they believe and maybe shed blood for …..was a fraud.
this reality is VERY hard to emotionally reconcile even for an open mind and can be life and spirit destroying for others.
this is the real human price of failed propaganda
I know my generation of Americans who volunteered after 9/11 with the belief they were defending their Homeland from Radical Islam. I was 20, just starting my career with the union. When the Twin Towers fell the first thing I thought of was Pearl Harbor and how my Grandfathers had enlisted with the slogan, “Remember Pearl Harbor!”. Thankfully my Grandparents (especially my Grandmother) talked me out of it.
“THAT saker is what generates in some who see the light but still become enraged at the messenger for telling them the truth….. that what they believe and maybe shed blood for …..was a fraud.”
I’m not angry at the Saker in the least bit. I know for a fact he is speaking the truth. I also know the he is right to put the focus on the victims. Any problems I might have as a disabled vet are nothing compared to the suffering we have inflicted around the world. I am not only talking about the bombs and bullets but also the crippling sanctions. People go without food, medicine, education because of these sanctions. I am not looking for absolution or forgiveness from anyone here, there is only one being that can offer me that. I don’t need any sympathy, save it for the victims. I do offer a heart felt apology to anybody that I might have harmed in anyway, knowing or not.
I do take issue with the moralizing of the general public. You want to the judge the instrument of the Empire’s power? Where were you? It is as if you witnessed a gang beat a man to death, steal his wallet and rape the wife in plain view and in public. You don’t have the courage to stop it so you run to the elevator clutching your pearls. Later that evening typing on the keyboard how awful it was; how you called the UN and that you hope the Hague will hang these thugs. Please.. the Hague is where these thugs send their defeated enemies for crimes against humanity.
Andrei My Orthodox Brother,
I wasn’t trying to psychoanalyze you. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t insulted and angered by some of the things you said and the way you addressed that Vietnam Vet (the one who’s parents were from Sicily). That man was the same age as my Father, who also wanted to volunteer for Vietnam after his cousin Terry was killed in action when the Huey he was in was shot down. Fortunately for my Father (who was a college football player) he was too big to fit into a uniform so he was rejected by the recruiters.
I guess I’m just trying to figure out where you’re coming from. I know had you (with your same Russian emigre background) been born and raised in America you’d have a much different point of view. Most of the descendants of White Russian refugees I know in America are very Patriotic Americans many of whom volunteered to serve in the US Armed Forces during times of war (especially Vietnam). Some were from San Francisco, others were from New York and Eastern Pennsylvania. I am sure that when the Vietnam War began the parents of those military age young men from Russian Orthodox immigrant families had the same point of view on the matter as the Sicilian immigrant parents of that Vietnam Veteran you tore into on Thursday.
I’m not trying to justify these wars or the unnecessary death and destruction they caused in foreign lands, but I do believe that context and perspective is extremely important whenever we are trying to judge the actions of individuals in the past and why they did what they did.
I know had you (with your same Russian emigre background) been born and raised in America you’d have a much different point of view
So you believe that existence determines consciousness, LOL, that would make you a Marxist.
And no, I most emphatically disagree with you?
My evidence?
The US born veterans on this thread who agreed with me!
Most of the descendants of White Russian refugees I know in America are very Patriotic Americans many of whom volunteered to serve in the US Armed Forces during times of war
To my great shame, that is true. Just like before that they allied themselves to Hitler only because Hitler was an anti-Communist, or how they supported Franco in Spain before that, and all sorts of dictators in Latin America.
They thought “Communism is the devil” and “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
I am ashamed of that.
Andrei
They thought “Communism is the devil” and “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”
Can you blame them for thinking this way after what they had been through? My Patron Saint (whom a Russian priest chose for me based on the name I took when I converted to Orthodoxy) was a Priest who was martyred by Stalin’s NKVD in the 1930’s (he was one of scores of priests, monks and nuns martyred by the NKVD).
I would have fought for Franco too, most definitely. The Republican forces were anticlerical too. They burned Churches, desecrated relics, murdered priests, monks and nuns too.
I am working class. I am a trade unionist. I believe in real social justice, but it has to be within the framework of Christian society. I cannot embrace a fanatically anti-Christian political system and Communism in the 20th Century was just that. Now we are learning how fanatically anti-Christian most of our own leaders in the liberal democratic West (the so called Free World) are and probably were always. The mask has come off in recent times, but through most of the 20th century the mask was in tight. We all believed we were, “The Good Guys” and that “God was on our side”. That was the propaganda I was raised with in the Reagan era for sure. “Thank God we live in the Land of the Free and not over there in the Soviet Union where one wrong word sends you to the Gulag.” We were raised like that. We thought like that. My Father thought the Russians were going to drop The Bomb on us. That was his childhood in the 1950’s.
I am anti-imperialist. Non-interventionist. I want to see the Empire fall apart and those foreign bases close and those troops come home. It’s time for America to focus on America and the deep problems at hand that may very well destroy her in a very short time. That’s what I had hoped (I wasn’t holding my breath but there was intitial hope) Trump would do. Reign in the Empire, focus on the health of our own nation and restoring our own nation and the Constitutional rule of law. That was my hope.
I agree with you that the regime in Washington (not the American people but the regime) are butchers on par with the Nazis (or the Communists for that matter) but I disagree with your conclusion that American Veterans are murderers. War itself is murder. That’s why Orthodoxy does not have a “Just War Doctrine”, am I right?
I have nothing bad to say about the Vietnamese (or the Afghan Mujahideen) who defended their Homelands, their communities, their families, women and children against foreign invaders regardless of their politics. They did what I would have done had I been in their shoes. Same with the Palestinian freedom fighters and Hezbollah. I always had a great sympathy for the IRA guerillas. in Belfast as well. They were defending their homes, their communities, their Churches, their families.
I am an Orthodox Christian (I call myself an Orthodox Catholic or a Pre-Schism Catholic) because before the Great Schism the Catholic West was Orthodox. I absolutely believe in right and wrong, but I don’t think you’d disagree that those lines often become blurred in war. Especially when you throw in Nationalism, Patriotism and the idea of civic duty. I think during the Cold War especially the Ruling Class of the Empire (or Anglo Zionist Empire as you call it) were experts at exploiting this very human, young male desire to serve something greater than himself and to serve fight and even die for a cause he believed in. Wasn’t that the case with WWI (the War to End all Wars) or WWII (the fight for Western Democracy against Fascism), then came the Red Menace (the Cold War), then came the Globalist wars of the 1990’s that quickly lost their luster so along comes 9/11 and the War on Terror to preserve the Homeland was born. Thankfully the mask is off and the Angel of Death with his Black cloak, skull and scepter is there for all to see this time.
God willing it’s over now for Washington’s wars of aggression. I hope so. I pray to God it is over once and for all. I guess we will soon know won’t we whether this nightmare of foreign conflicts is really over or not?
There’s a great song sung by an old Irish band called the Dubliners. The name of the song is called, The Old Man. It is relevant to our conversation. I think you would enjoy it.
https://youtu.be/qMPhR4qulQ4
Good morning everyone and as usual congratulations to Mr Raesky for his fine piece, and I would like to get once again straight to the point: 1984 is here and now. That’s Y people are telling the Saker to “pack and leave” – after all, they can’t lock you in a cabin close to Oymyakon to spend the whole winter there and enjoy the weather. After all, you Herr Raesky do not understand and enjoy the marvelous and beautiful democracy you are being presented by wonderful US elites, so you must be a crazy one that must spend a time in a “cool” place (maybe Verkhoyansk too) just to “cool down” your thoughts. But now seriously: if you and your family ever think leaving the US, consider Brasil to come. I am very sure you (and your close ones) will be welcomed here and what you do and think’d be very useful to our society.
Cheers from Rio de Janeiro
You forgot to mention the women Luiz. Believe me more beautiful than your beaches or your mountains or rainforests are your Brazilian women. If my wife ever leaves me I’ll be on the next plane. Actually it’s a toss up, Brazil or Colombia or both.
Commenting from Greece:
What you said in your article The Whitewashing of Murder is absolutely true and known clearly to every country
outside the USA in the world, – including US satrapies.
It’s clear from the uproar following this the article that the real problem here is a refusal or inability to make distinctions amid multiple false dichotomies.
This has played out clearly in the Kyle Rittenhouse case.
That is,the American “Right”-leaners love the police, the military, the right to bear arms, are capital P patriotic, etc. And diametrically opposite for the American Left-leaners.
Absolutely none of the issues in these partisan baskets, most especially accusations of racism and “white supremacy”, are absolute, i.e. true in themselves. The police make mistakes, the military is misused, gun ownership and use is a matter of education, there are few white supremacists and racism is more or less disproved by the population mix of the ex-colonial countries, not to mention that demonising “white”s is racism in itself.
True patriotism consists of acknowledging these distinctions.
True patriotism would be, next, to ask how and by whom and for what purpose this false division has been manipulated into existence i.e. Cui Bono and why.
I am sorry to see that so many of your readers appear to have adopted these extremes.