Kinda open thread – part III

What precisely is “fact-based commentary”? The only “facts” I know is what I can touch and see directly. I can scan the Internet and see many different comments, and it is a Fact that these comments exist. Whether the comments I see on the Internet are true or not is an entirely different question from the Fact that these comments are there.

One can look at the myriad of comments and choose to only regard those that appear to come from ‘expert’ sources, and then formulate their opinions and comments based on that. But I am a scientist and know for a Fact that the ‘experts’ in my field are no more or less a-holes and prone to error, outright lying and self-aggrandizement than any one else. Even in my own very specialized field I have seen ‘established facts’ that are so obviously wrong to me that it is stunning that any one believes them. And I have seen such ‘established facts’ make their way into standard text books, let alone peer reviewed literature, where the next generation simply accepts them as ‘correct’. And, I have seen so many articles in the peer reviewed literature in my field that I believe are either completely inconsequential or just plain garbage that I cannot even begin to count them.

So where do our ‘Facts’ come from? What purveyor of ‘Facts’ is to believed? What does ‘established’ even mean in the context of a fluid situation like the Covid-19 virus. Who is to be believed and disbelieved, and why? In the end we always rely on our own experiences and biases, and will cite the sources that support that.

So here is a link to some ‘facts’ on the Covid-19 virus.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196
Is the author fair in his assessment? Do the citations support the author’s assessment? Are you, as the reader, capable of even understanding some of the citations of ‘expert’ assessments (e.g. https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930183-5) quoted in the article? Can even the ‘expert’ assessments be believed and on what basis can they be believed?

We will never know because TBTB can’t even be consistent in their messages.

Late last week our govt held a cabinet meeting which included the PM and all ministers… yesterday the Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton was hospitalised with COVID-19.

Which means all those people who came into contact with him would not need to isolate themselves, according to Australia’s Chief Medical Officer.

But, PM Morrison says he won’t self isolate because Mr Dutton wasn’t showing any symptoms the last time they shook hands or nodded or greeted each other.

So clearly, one rule for them – one rule for the plebs.

A few years ago, during the ‘swine flu’ fake epidemic , the WHO definition of ‘pandemic’ changed – instead of meaning a catastrophic event with many dead or sick — it now means any disease that has spread beyond the borders, for which there is no immunity.

The WHO board at that time was populated with dual CEO’s from big Pharma companies. There was a big stink at the time, as I recall.

Could this manufactured panic and hysteria in Aussie be aimed at scaring everyone into getting the magic cure or vaccine that big Pharma will suddenly make available??

This is tough to get a handle on as of yet. it could very well be a biological weapon. However at this point that is too difficult to prove. I favour he economic reset angle the most so far. When things really go bad in the US, say in six months, the fear and paranoia may have everyone begging for any kind of insane solution.

However, summer is coming and that should slow everything down considerably. When I write about a slowdown, I mean virus transmission. In fall however, the hysteria could really really ramp up. Just in time for the US presidential election.

I find it fascinating that Russia and a few other eastern European nations as having minimal infection rates. I think Hungary was one of those countries.

I wonder if the assasination of the Iranian general and now this are actions of desperation. Perhaps the Iranians, Chinese and Russians have America so boxed in a financial corner the Americans are desperately throwing crap against the wall and seeing if it sticks. This is a relatively positive outlook, it might be nieve.

Funny enough, today my three year old threw a tantrum over nap time. He didn’t want to go down. A long standoff ensued. I just stared at him and calmly repeated every once in awhile he needed to lie down. Eventually he was snoring away.

A Gandhi like presentation is probably the best response. Just breathe deeply and maintain calm.

Maybe, just maybe, the Americans are the crying toddler and the Russians are calmly waiting for them to exhaust themselves.

It is not a genetically engineered virus. It has been fully sequenced. The methods of inserting foreign DNA into a host genome – which is what is meant by GE forms, and “Bio-weapons” leave certain bits of trace DNA – non have been found. To know if your host actually got the bits you are trying to insert, you have to include a marker gene of some sort. None has been found.

All of the Sequences were a 100% match with other strains of Corona virus, taken from other countries than China. The only novel sequences were 4 fragments which were found in more limited, truncated forms, in other Corona Virus. In this form, the were a 100% match for a HIV coding fragments for an HIV glycoprotein. It doesn’t seem to have any function in this virus.
It is true that this sequence analysis, out of a University Lab in India, is the only one generally available as far as I know. It is normal in science for this work to be farmed out to other Uni Labs to see if they replicate and confirm the result. Whilst I have not heard of any confirmatory work I also have not heard of any which refutes it.
in general, nobody seems to be saying much.

However, there are two statements from reputable sources, one the Chinese and two, the Russian Ministry of Health. The are posted on Chinese News. Both refute that the virus is GE. Both state that their researches confirmed that it is a natural recombinant variant, from an animal host; that it will run a normal new variant epidemic course and which will return to its host to cause another, milder, epidemic in a few years time.

If you look up “Common cold” on Wikileaks you will see there a list of symptoms and recommendations of how to behave in a CC epidemic. It was written some years back. It’s all exactly the same as the recommendations now for CoV-2019

Naomi’s Mantra: Keep Calm, and think for yourself.

This pandemic is another brick in the wall or another step towards the finish line which is the Global Dictatorship ( A perpetual pandemic without a virus ) or the New World Order.

Hammer March – Pink Floyd – the wall:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awktDTuuGlg

Right now there are 3 main global wars going on :

1. The Empire & colonies versus Rusia,China,Iran & ducklings.( not kinetic yet )
2. The Empire & colonies versus humanity and ( still ) Mankind.
3. …versus Jesus Christ our God and His orthodox Church and versus other faiths (not to prohibit them but to alter them )

@ Hassan Carim

1.That Covid-19 (or an undeclared bioweapon being called Covid-19) is actually very dangerous and requires such unpresidented wartime measures to protect the nations,
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I don’t think it is very dangerous for most of the people ,China ( 1.3 bilion people ) almost contained it without a vaccine . Still,unfortunately, some thousands people perished.

In North America it is getting a trend ( like #MeToo ) for elites to get sick and show off ( maybe they know something,maybe they got already the EliteCoronaVaccine )

2.That East and West are preparing for a major military confrontation.
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It will start when Turkey ( the country ) will attack Greece,it is pretty close.

3.That there is a Global Economic Collapse currently underway.
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No,no no ( to be more clear ).You don’t collapse Everything ( including yourself ) before the World War because you might end at the Nuremberg trials. After ( if necessary ) it is another story. The Empire wants to collapse the economies of their enemies,to put economic and political pressure on the colonies to go to war,increase the military spendings .
There is a long list here with what they want,all the hyenas need some flesh and bones to eat ( the bankers something,all kind of minorities something else,the chosen and exceptional maybe all…)

With a probability of 101.27 %, the military budget won’t collapse but increase. Don’t know about China and Russia if they can keep up.

Highly likely, the Dollar based global economy will go down after the world war.

PS. My thoughts.

Firstly, if Sars-Cov-2 were a bioweapon, it targets everybody except a small global ruling elite and their serfs.

I do not buy into any argument about interstate conflicts because the real global war is the war of the rich and powerful and sociopaths against the vast majority of people on Earth. Given the many proven false flags in the past and the deliberate destruction of entire countries, a deliberate release of a pathogen would not astonish me anymore. In fact, I would rather expect it as a means to curb the population numbers worldwide. Briefly, the means are available and the motive(s) as well.

Secondly, if the virus may have emerged by natural evolution via two intermediate species. However, I consider it as likely as winning the lottery and getting flash-struck upon collecting the gain.

Pathogens developed and studied in research laboratories regularly escape these. Even biosafety 4 laboratories are not fool prove. For this reason, countries tend to build such laboratories as far out in the pampas and on foreign soil as possible. So far, to me the situation in China looks like the virus was studied in Wuhan’s biosafety 4 laboratory and escaped it. Whether the virus was engineered there is questionable though, because this kind of virus was studied in other countries previously, involving Chinese researchers as well.

Thirdly, regardless of the above, the virus roams in our populations now. Either we lock it into a coffin swiftly or it will become endemic and stay with us. If it stays, it will tend to get less severe over time, such that its hosts are not going extinct. Nevertheless, the virus has the potential to lower average life spans by several years and, if its initial spreading is not prevented now, the current average lifespan by more than a decade.

It seems clear that the virus is being used to mask an economic collapse. They’ve had the system redlining for so long artificially, that the slightest breeze could send it reeling, or the flu.
And since when does the American gov’t care so much about the health and well being of the population, half of which is uninsured, intoxicated, unemployed? Who exacty is footing the bill for the canceled NBA games? How can the Canadian guy’s wife have the virus but he doesn’t have it?

I believe that the novocoronaflu is a deliberately targeted assault, or series of attacks, and by “believe” I mean it more as an article of faith rather than fact.
I believe in cui bono.
I believe the hegemony is hubristic enough to attempt something so stupid.
And I believe that if you indulge in bioweapon research around the world you deserve to be called out on it.

However I also believe that most of what we are hearing is “fake news”, on the basis that the MSM is going batshit about it.
The powers that be want us to panic, this is the new “9/11” which allows governments to strip more freedoms away.

Bioweapon status will be impossible to disprove beyond reasonable doubt, yet hard proof of such will only manifest if someone from Fort Detrich or Georgia or Kazakhstan blows their whistle.

There are scientific truths and there are political “truths”. Many of the western hemisphere activities are based entirely on the latter with blatant disregard for the former.
As was pointed out on this blog a month or so ago, a bona fide bioweapon attack (especially if the tables were turned & whites+jews dropping like flies) would incite a nuclear-level response.
The west has accurately assessed China will not be so willing to retaliate with their ICBMs, but when the time is right they can act according to their own political truths and nuke the empire’s economy.

People who think world oligarchy would balk at using advanced biological warfare to defeat any challenge to their globalist hegemony, for fear such weapons would backfire on their own population, simply don’t understand the mind of oligarchy, which holds no allegiance to any territory or population, and exists only to perpetuate itself with ontological self-certainty for no good reason, like a virus . Oligarchy (or “deep state,” “empire,” “ruling class” or their minions in the “intelligence community”) survives as a kind of ectoplasmic emanation of the Venetian fondi whence it derives, at least in the post-Roman era, whose representatives are no more than a biological expression of “powers and principalities” which are about as human as Baal, Beelzebub and other mythological representations of entropy, chaos and destruction.

I am always struck by the post-sixties hippy-ized delusion that philosophical mouthpieces of the oligarchical world view, such as Bertrand Russell (and I won’t add a miles-long list of mostly British “pacifist” and “environmentalist” lords and nobles who peddle the same intellectual pablum) actually stand for peace or protecting the environment. As for peace, Lord Russell himself, before being beatified as the guru of Ban the Bomb in the 60s, famously advocated for a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the USSR. “There is one thing, and one thing only, which could save the world, and that is… that America should make war on Russia during the next two years, and establish a world empire, by means of the atomic bomb,” he wrote in a letter to a friend, in September of 1945, just after Hiroshima and Nagasaki (again, he has zillions of quotes to the same effect; if you don’t believe me, you can look them up yourself). Of course, once Russia did acquire The Bomb, Russell became a perfervid advocate of disarmament, inspiring millions of drug-addled American kids who weren’t too happy, years later, about getting killed or dismembered in the rice paddies of Viet Nam. Why, back then, even I thought highly of perfidious Bertie.

Unfortunately that same gut-level reaction (sadly missing today) to the US war machine’s genocidal rampages also translated into a cognitive malfunction that reversed previous American standards of scientific and technological progress, which in spite of a dismal foreign policy (with a few brief exceptions which were promptly “taken out”) still managed to contribute positively to human civilization. A banal nominalism/empiricism ensued, borrowed from the very cynic (British, or course) philosophers—quacks, really— against whom the best 18th century American and European republican thinkers brilliantly polemicized. Simplistic platitudes infested college campuses and essential civilizational forces were demonized as “enemies,” not really of mankind, but of the “environment”—also sanctimoniously defined as the entropic physical stasis of Thomas Malthus, David Ricardo and a slew of highly-pedigreed British East India Co. employees who reified the strain of financial parasitism Karl Marx wrongly identified as “capitalism.”

So coronavirus fits right in with a zero-growth outlook which has metastasized into a necrotic “extinctionism” parroted by the likes of poor Greta Thunberg and even some frequent contributors to these pages (who make it such a dreadful duty to visit here from time to time). Listen to Lord Russell, from The Impact of Science on Society: “I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. There are others which, one must suppose, opponents of birth control would prefer. War has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full… The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of that? Really high-minded people are indifferent to happiness, especially other people’s.” And just one more pearl from another such “high-minded” sage, Prince Phillip of Edinburgh: “If I were reincarnated I would wish to return to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” It looks like he didn’t have to wait that long.

Regardless of whether the virus was bio-engineered or not, fact is that we, the world, have a very real health problem. If the virus is not properly dealt with, it could kill millions, but if sensible precautions are taken the resultant will be relatively benign.
The far greater issue I see is what this says of our economies especially here in the U.S.. Appropriate measures for the control of epidemics such as this, e.g. minimizing public engagements, unnecessary activity like going on cruises, staying home from work if not feeling well, all involve actions detrimental to capitalist economy. The real problem is the way money is doled out in capitalistic societies; that is the need to perform work to get monetary income, and the fact that the majority of the work performed is done not because of the necessity of getting the work done, but rather because of the necessity of getting money. So, if the unnecessary work suddenly disappears, as is happening now because of this little virus going around, people do not get the income they need for living. Unlike say in more social societies where incomes are distributed by virtue of being a member of society, i.e. entitlements, should any non-essential work be mitigated, the performers of that work still get their requisite incomes; i.e. they can afford to stay home from work when a bad virus comes around. What should be glaringly obvious from this virus is the need to step back from those ultra-capitalist ideals being touted so much by the U.S. elites, and institute some sensible social measures, so when some bad nature comes to inflict us, our economies are resilient. That is what I believe is wrenching the guts of our U.S. elites. They just can’t come to terms with this fact.
In the meantime, prudence dictates that we peoples living in ultra-capitalist societies need to become more self reliant, that is learn to not spend money, and save for that “rainy day”. That alone will stifle the capitalist economy; revolution?

COVID 19 a bio-weapon?
Yeah, of course.
What better opportunity to, indeed, put KO a lot of well trained soldiers, officials and top brass thanks to the big NATO exercise, Defender-Europe, that brings so many US and allied troops close to the Russian borders?
And without firing a single shot…
These Russians are really malicious…

Kinda other subject:

If the AMA had hired Edward Bernays in 1952 to devise a press campaign to demonize the idea of national healthcare he’d have said “Call it socialized medicine.”
If hired by the DNC in 2020 to do the same thing he’d say “Have a guy champion it loudly and call himself a socialist.” And if he were asked also to roll back what progress had been made in that direction he’d have said “Have that same guy call it Medicare for all”

The sad thing is that Sen. Sanders may not even know he’s controlled opposition. Maybe he’s like a pumpkin that grew in a bottle shaped like Mickey Mouse.
What if the DNC gave him a bottle to grow in shaped like a new Deal Democrat, and then they asked Bernays how to make him a buffoonish mascot. Bernays would say ”Have him call himself the revolutionary leader of a great movement and then pledge his support to whomever the DNC selects to challenge Donald Trump “

Where this Yosemite Sam rodeo clown act stops being harmless entertainment is when the DNC trundles out its ersatz “Democratic ticket”and it’s Obama-Buttigieg or what’s more likely Clinton-Schiff.

Then the Bernie faithful will sigh:
“Oh well, we really made great progress. After all socialism and healthcare are now part of the public discourse! Tally Ho, it’s back to work we go! With funding from the NED and the Ford Foundation or Pierre Omidyar, and four more years to organize we can really have a movement next time!
And anyway that Schiff seems kinda presidential don’tcha think?”

Great job Ed, thanks!

I should like to begin by paying respect to our host, the Commodore Saker, for providing us with a safe harbour for the fleet of beached submarines, thank you.

Bio-weapon or info-weapon?

Confluence of events – impossible to overlook

1. ongoing unsustainable empire financial system
Many of visitors here know of the ridiculousness of what has been happening in the economies of the “west” aka the hegemon, strangely yet benefiting the top tenth of the top 1% of socio-economic elite. Everything has been financialized; starting in the 2000s, global real estate as a investment ‘portfolio’ was identified as a ripe market to corner, and crank up, creating a self-fulfilling juicy return on investment (ROI). The price shock from that is not containable, and currently it is approaching the breaking point, as the majority of people in cosmopolitan cities across the planet are becoming unaffordable for the 99%, as the price shock ‘trickles down‘ to every aspect of delivering services, i.e. food, for example, we are seeing that people has no disposable income left, after the put a roof over their heads, and feed their families!
I recommend “The Keiser Report” as a good source for supporting facts https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/

2. “Epidemiology?”
https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiology.html

Does anybody else have confusion about, just why this particular virus is so bad?!
It’s not as deadly as many flu strains.
It’s been labelled as ‘novel’, but isn’t it true that every year comparatively novel viruses rise in prevalence, on a year-over-year basis?
Here’s a mental exercise:
– what if you followed the trend in prevalence of the top 100 hundred infectious agents, which induce respiratory distress, and as a common outcome, lead to a percentage of deaths per individual infection?
– what if you were to track the top ten?
– and publish the infection rates?
– and sexy-it-up with a 2-3 syllable name?
– or just anyone of the top ten, thus distinguishing it as the only one tracked, and the only one spoken about, amongst a well-stocked biome of similar agents?
The question: how does this one, sexed-up, “novel” virus, compare to say… the most common form of influenza “A” or “B” for this this same season?
To boot, it doesn’t seem to impact one half of the typically most vulnerable groups, the children and infants!
Just why this particular virus is so bad?!

3. End of the petro-dollar?!
How can we overlook the oil price war?
Upon inspection of the historic data points of shrewd (or otherwise) two national leaders of Russia and Saud, …I don’t think it looks too good for the house of Saud.
Russia has been getting the systematic short end of the stick, for a while.
In a development that looks very similar to the introduction of manoeuvrable hyper-sonic ballistic missile technology, effectively changing the paradigm of large scale war (many are unaware of the magnitude of this development – less so here), after years of “conventional” economic warfare against Russia, during which they have coped, with mitigations, enabling sovereign survival, they have been making provisions and development to change the paradigm.
Riddle-me this if you can:
What happens when the well-planned and provisioned adversary goes against a floundering buffoonish leader in a war, and beyond the predictable outcome of the buffoonishly-led adversary falling, when the entire fake financial system of the empire, is hinged on the buffoon maintaining the status of primary policy, i.e. price and supply determiner, in the global market???
“Forget-about it!” that is the empire’s economy, which is marginal to non-existent now, as a result of the rampant game-playing financialization by Wall Street and the City of London.
Just like the making of China as the world’s overwhelming industrial powerhouse, the stripping by financialization of the economy was inflicted upon the nationstates of the empire by…
… the empire, specifically, the top tenth of the top 1% of the socio-economic elite!?

Summary
With the best information, the rarefied top tenth of the top 1% of the socio-economic elite, using their pet agencies, (deep-state, i.e. ‘intelligence agencies and mainstream media propaganda agencies) and cohort of distributed management class agents (almost all well within the top 1%), working throughout society, have launched a global information war against the people.

Where’s the beef? The corona virus is a nothing-burger

It is being used as the excuse, for pulling the plug on the economies under the influence of the top tenth of the top 1% of the socio-economic elite!
This way, the blame can be deflected from the socio-pathic cohort, to … an act of God?!

Prediction:
The death toll from the corona virus, as view 24 months down the road, will be a tiny fraction of the death resulting from the economic and social turmoil resulting from the induced mass hysteria which is raging globally.

this is an info-war!

Happened 2 months ago article is from a week ago, but deserves a re-mention even if posted here so much to slog through.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/03/16/the-peace-corps-breaks-ties-with-china?utm_source=pocket-newtab
in the morning of January 17th, shortly before I was scheduled to meet with a hundred and forty Peace Corps volunteers in Chengdu, the capital of Sichuan Province, there was an unexpected announcement that the China program was ending. The Peace Corps had first come to the country in 1993, and as a volunteer from the early years I had been asked to speak at an in-service training that the organization was holding in a hotel near where I live.

Some comparisons on huge scale aquaculture going on almost unnoticed, shrimp alone says is a 5B Euro/year business,to over 100 countries), yet never hear a spontaneous mutant virus ever forms or gets out:
Thailand has the biggest export w/w shrimp market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aue2VLD2icA
The dirty business with the shrimps
untold antibiotics & other things openly dumped into the farming ponds (more like sloughs).
clearing the mangrove swamps & forests by the mile, wiping out the native tiger shrimp.
live-in employees, many burmese for lowest absolute minimalist wages.

vietnam seems to have cornered the basa & swai farmed fish market:
Vietnam Basa (panga) fish farm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oLg2KzEyGM

and don’t forget the nor-vegans! They’ve got the export farmed salmon AND COD market, started there late 1990’s, yet peeps buying “Norwegian cod” liver oil think it’s from wild, deep-sea caught WRONG!:
54 minutes
Farmed Norwegian Salmon World’s Most Toxic Food
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYf8cLUV5E

Just a theory but… There are a number of strains of this virus circulating. What if you could develop two forms of the virus, one attenuated and one to do the damage, such that the former would provide immunity to the later. Then circulate the former to self and allies making sure there was a herd immunity here before releasing the latter to the intended targets.

What supports this theory? Well I believe I had this virus in the UK over Christmas, I also know others who have suffered from similar symptoms at the same time, one of my colleagues was hospitalised with it. But this is well before the explosion in China and we are in the arse end of the country.

The UK seems to be taking a very relaxed approach to the spread and comments about getting heard immunity have been prevalent in the briefings.

This would also account for the differences in death rates. I suspect the UK rate is much lower than advertised as testing is now confined to serious cases only.

Sources in China said there were two strains circulating there one more serious than the other and that 80% of cases in China were of the more serious strain. (sorry son’t have the link anymore it was a few weeks ago).