by Unorthodox Black Sheep VN for The Saker Blog
(Credit: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13748349 ) I use the image for title
By Unorthodox Black Sheep VN
Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands are the most controversial in the Asia. What I will say here, if my prediction is correct, will causes many Vietnamese and possible Chinese readers angry so much, and I’m not so surprise that Vietnamese readers will call me traitor. The truth, Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands is not belong to Vietnam or China, and Spratly Islands is possible belong to Philippine historically because Philippine have recent document to prove that not the so-called ancient document from Vietnam and China. In conclusion Paracel Islands And Spratly Islands are disputed territories, not sovereign territories, that the fact.
Who discovered Paracel Islands And Spratly Islands?
Paracel Islands, according to CIA Library, it said:
So French was the one discovered the Paracel Island and controlled the islands until they left Vietnam. Let me correct little bit here, after Vietnam won the war again France, French stilled control the South Vietnam and we already know that France gave South Vietnam, and it was also mean that Paracel Islands was given to United States after French left Vietnam.
Spratly Islands has a very vague history and there is almost no recorded. However, according to the recent years news, “Spratly Islands long part of Filipino-Muslim’s ancestral domain:”
“Manila: The Sultan of Sulu in the southern Philippines has claimed that the contested Spratly Island in the South China Sea was part of the ancestral domain of Filipino-Muslims prior to the arrival of the Spanish colonials in the 16th century, a local paper said.
“China has no right over the Spratly Islands in what it calls the South China Sea because that is part of our ancestral domain,” Majaraj Julmuner Jannaral, Sultanate information officer, told the Philippine Star.
The Sultanate of Sulu has had proprietary rights over the Spratlys because Sabah (now part of Malaysia), the Sulu archipelago in the southern Philippines, and Palawan in southwestern Philippines belonged to the Sultanate of Sulu even before the Spaniards colonized the Philippines in 1521, explained Jannaral, a representative of Muhammad Fuad Abdulla Kiram I, the reigning Sultan of Sulu and Sabah (Malaysia’s North Borneo).
In 1658, the Sultan of Brunei gave Sabah, Borneo’s eastern and northern part of Borneo to the Sultan of Sulu who helped the former win a civil war. Sabah was recognized as part of the Sultan of Sulu’s sovereignty (in the Philippines).
On June 22, 1878 (during the Spanish colonial era in the Philippines, Baron Von Overbeck, an Austrian, and Alfred Dent, a Briton, who represented the British East India Co (which became North Borneo Co), forged a lease agreement with Sri Paduka Maulana Al Sultan Mohammad Jamalul Alan (representative of Sulu’s Sultanate), to lease Sabah for 5,000 Malaysian ringgits annually.
The company provided arms to the Sultan of Brunei to resist the Spanish colonials in the Philippines.
“Without the Sultan’s consent, the Spaniards (at the end of their colonial rule) illegally transferred the Philippines, including the Sulu archipelago, Sabah, and Guam to the US when Spain and the US signed the Treaty of Paris in 1898,” said Jannaral. It paved the way for the US colonial era in the Philippines.”
From the information above, we can understand and conclude that Spratly Islands historically belong to Philippine, uncontrollable by Spanish, and USA took control it after USA colonized Philippines until 1975. After that, we can make the conclusion that USA owned Paracel and Spartly Islands until the 1975.
Why do I say that islands are not belong to Vietnam and China?
Let begin about South Vietnam first. After USA build the South Vietnamese Government, USA had given the island to South Vietnam during 60s until 1975 so the islands belong to South Vietnam legally. In 1974, Chinese Navy invaded Paracel Islands successfully and control them until now. After 1975, Taiwan wanted to take control Spratly Island but Vietnam took first (This is what I heard from 60s and 70s Vietnamese Veteran). In conclusion, Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands were not belong to Vietnam historically.
Let me being brutal honest here, if the islands are belong to Vietnam since the ancient times or since the 10th century at least, then why Vietnam did not have Navy army until 20th century? In common sense, Vietnam dynasties must build and develop very powerful navy army to protect the island but the dynasties did not. Vietnam historically had ZERO navy army experience until the 50s of 20th century. The proof I present here is good enough to prove that the islands is not belong to Vietnam, and the so-called ancient records are hoax to me. By the way, many 50s, 60s, and 70s Vietnamese generation told me that when they were student, they never heard their history teacher mention Hoàng Sa (Paracel Islands) and Trường Sa (Spratly Islands) in the Vietnamese History classes or books any single time.
Next to China, despite the fact that Chinese so-called ancient records are hoax like Vietnamese ones, their navy power and experience can be used prove that the islands belong to China despite the fact that two islands are not belong to China historically because Chinese navy evidences are more sense and reasonable than Vietnamese evidences. By the way, the dash line thing just appeared between 1975 and 1979 or 1980s. I will not discuss more about this because I really don’t know about the China claim about the islands.
Why everyone want to take control Paracel Islands And Spratly Islands?
Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands had many natural resources like gas, oil, coal and etc. to mine. The islands are also important military strategy so control the island is equal to control the South China Sea. To help you guys understand more about natural resources, I decide use my lazy method, quote from UN data:
“Exclusive Economic Zone
The exclusive economic zone (EEZ) is one of the most revolutionary features of the Convention, and one which already has had a profound impact on the management and conservation of the resources of the oceans. Simply put, it recognizes the right of coastal States to jurisdiction over the resources of some 38 million square nautical miles of ocean space. To the coastal State falls the right to exploit, develop, manage and conserve all resources – fish or oil, gas or gravel, nodules or sulphur – to be found in the waters, on the ocean floor and in the subsoil of an area extending 200 miles from its shore.
The EEZs are a generous endowment indeed. About 87 per cent of all known and estimated hydrocarbon reserves under the sea fall under some national jurisdiction as a result. So too will almost all known and potential offshore mineral resources, excluding the mineral resources (mainly manganese nodules and metallic crusts) of the deep ocean floor beyond national limits. And whatever the value of the nodules, it is the other non-living resources, such as hydrocarbons, that represent the presently attainable and readily exploitable wealth.
The most lucrative fishing grounds too are predominantly the coastal waters. This is because the richest phytoplankton pastures lie within 200 miles of the continental masses. Phytoplankton, the basic food of fish, is brought up from the deep by currents and ocean streams at their strongest near land, and by the upwelling of cold waters where there are strong offshore winds.
The desire of coastal States to control the fish harvest in adjacent waters was a major driving force behind the creation of the EEZs. Fishing, the prototypical cottage industry before the Second World War, had grown tremendously by the 1950s and 1960s. Fifteen million tons in 1938, the world fish catch stood at 86 million tons in 1989. No longer the domain of a lone fisherman plying the sea in a wooden dhow, fishing, to be competitive in world markets, now requires armadas of factory-fishing vessels, able to stay months at sea far from their native shores, and carrying sophisticated equipment for tracking their prey.
The special interest of coastal States in the conservation and management of fisheries in adjacent waters was first recognized in the 1958 Convention on Fishing and Conservation of the Living Resources of the High Seas. That Convention allowed coastal States to take “unilateral measures” of conservation on what was then the high seas adjacent to their territorial waters. It required that if six months of prior negotiations with foreign fishing nations had failed to find a formula for sharing, the coastal State could impose terms. But still the rules were disorderly, procedures undefined, and rights and obligations a web of confusion. On the whole, these rules were never implemented.
The claim for 200-mile offshore sovereignty made by Peru, Chile and Ecuador in the late 1940s and early 1950s was sparked by their desire to protect from foreign fishermen the rich waters of the Humboldt Current (more or less coinciding with the 200-mile offshore belt. This limit was incorporated in the Santiago Declaration of 1952 and reaffirmed by other Latin American States joining the three in the Montevideo and Lima Declarations of 1970. The idea of sovereignty over coastal-area resources continued to gain ground.
As long-utilized fishing grounds began to show signs of depletion, as long-distance ships came to fish waters local fishermen claimed by tradition, as competition increased, so too did conflict. Between 1974 and 1979 alone there were some 20 disputes over cod, anchovies or tuna and other species between, for example, the United Kingdom and Iceland, Morocco and Spain, and the United States and Peru.
And then there was the offshore oil.
The Third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea was launched shortly after the October 1973 Arab-Israeli war. The subsequent oil embargo and skyrocketing of prices only helped to heighten concern over control of offshore oil reserves. Already, significant amounts of oil were coming from offshore facilities: 376 million of the 483 million tons produced in the Middle East in 1973; 431 million barrels a day in Nigeria, 141 million barrels in Malaysia, 246 million barrels in Indonesia. And all of this with barely 2 per cent of the continental shelf explored. Clearly, there was hope all around for a fortunate discovery and a potential to be protected.
Today, the benefits brought by the EEZs are more clearly evident. Already 86 coastal States have economic jurisdiction up to the 200-mile limit. As a result, almost 99 per cent of the world’s fisheries now fall under some nation’s jurisdiction. Also, a large percentage of world oil and gas production is offshore. Many other marine resources also fall within coastal-State control. This provides a long-needed opportunity for rational, well-managed exploitation under an assured authority.
Figures on known offshore oil reserves now range from 240 to 300 billion tons. Production from these reserves amounted to a little more than 25 per cent of total world production in 1996. Experts estimate that of the 150 countries with offshore jurisdiction, over 100, many of them developing countries, have medium to excellent prospects of finding and developing new oil and natural gas fields.
It is evident that it is archipelagic States and large nations endowed with long coastlines that naturally acquire the greatest areas under the EEZ regime. Among the major beneficiaries of the EEZ regime are the United States, France, Indonesia, New Zealand, Australia and the Russian Federation.
But with exclusive rights come responsibilities and obligations For example, the Convention encourages optimum use of fish stocks without risking depletion through overfishing. Each coastal State is to determine the total allowable catch for each fish species within its economic zone and is also to estimate its harvest capacity and what it can and cannot itself catch. Coastal States are obliged to give access to others, particularly neighbouring States and land-locked countries, to the surplus of the allowable catch. Such access must be done in accordance with the conservation measures established in the laws and regulations of the coastal State.
Coastal States have certain other obligations, including the adoption of measures to prevent and limit pollution and to facilitate marine scientific research in their EEZs.”
About the military strategy in South China Sea, I will quote from “The South China Sea in Strategic Terms”:
“NATIONAL INTERESTS
U.S. interests in the South China Sea fall into three broad categories including: (1) Economic interests tied to the sea-lanes; (2) Defense ties with allies and other security partners; and (3) Implications for the global balance of power and influence. In each of these arenas, a successful Chinese effort to seize control of the South China Sea will have a profound impact – and each is worth elaboration.
Sea-Lanes
The sea-lanes that pass through the South China Sea are the busiest, most important, maritime waterways in the world. In 2016, they carried fully one-third of global shipping with an estimated value of $3.4 trillion. That included nearly 40 percent of China’s total trade and 90 percent of petroleum imports by China, Japan, and South Korea – and nearly 6 percent of total U.S. trade. These same sea-lanes are a vital military artery as the U.S. Seventh Fleet transits regularly between the Pacific and Indian Oceans (including the Bay of Bengal).
Defense Ties
America has formal defense/security alliances with five Asian countries: Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, and Australia. In addition, the United States has affirmed some responsibility for the defense of Taiwan and has close security ties with Singapore and New Zealand. Beyond that, there are a variety of formal security cooperation agreements with Vietnam, Indonesia, and Malaysia. Cobra Gold, hosted by Thailand and led by the United States, is the largest annual multilateral military exercise in Asia. In sum, the United States has built and maintained a dense network of security links and obligations throughout East and Southeast Asia – all sustained by regular contact with the Seventh Fleet as it transits the region via the South China Sea.
Balance of Power
The most important and least tangible stake in the South China Sea concerns the preservation (or not) of a regional “rules-based” order supported by U.S. power. This order embodies certain foundational political principles – respect for international law, preservation of the real sovereign independence of regional states, a refusal to legitimate unilateral territorial expansion, and the unconditional acceptance of the sea-lanes as a global commons. Conservation values – protection of marine habitat against wanton, unnecessary despoliation – are also essential. This concept of regional order links tightly to a broader set of interests, values, and institutions embodied in the post-World War II international system – a system that reflects U.S. values, U.S. leadership and is consonant with U.S. interests.”
I suggest you guy should watch “Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte Rejects United States, Obama For China and Russia (REACTION)” from Anthony Brian Logan to understand more about the true nature of the Island:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG5kets_OIA
The reason I write the article because I want people to aware what is going in the South China Sea right now. I want people, especially Vietnamese and Chinese, view and discuss the Paracel Islands and Spratly Island with the ACTUAL RESEARCH AND KNOWLEDGE, not from the fantasy records. I also suspect that World War III may begin in the South China Sea because I heard some rumors in my country, Vietnam, that Chinese Navy and Vietnamese Navy are ramming at each other in the sea now (not shooting at each other), both Vietnamese and Chinese Government hide the information about this.
I afraid I cannot give you guys the answer in the comment section because the topic is really pretty hard to me to answer. However, I will try to answer you guy as much as I can. I encourage you guys give me feedback and discusses about the matter at the comment section because I also want to learn and understand more about the Paracel Islands and Spratly Island, especially viewpoint fromVietnamese, Chinese and Philppines.
Why say “Spratly”, why not say “NanshaI Islands”, that’s their real Chinese name.
http://www.spratlys.org/collection/claims/philippines/
During the Second World War, Japan occupied both the Paracels (Paracel Islands) and Spratlys in 1939 shortly after they controlled Hainan Island. The Japanese used Itu Aba Island (Taiping Dao) as a submarine base and a springboard for its invasion of the Philippines. At the end of the Pacific War in 1945, the Japanese forces on the South China Sea surrendered to the representatives of China. [1,p7-8]. The newly established Philippine government Foreign Minister Qurino advocated on 23 July 1946 that the new Southern Islands (a term used by the Japanese for all the islands in the South China Sea) should be given to his country. This was the first indication of the interests in the Spratly Islands from the Philippines government.
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In essence Vietnam was never a party, the Japanese won the disputed islands, fair&square by war. Then they lost and the islands were passed to China.
The CIA-OSS who controlled the Philippines never took serious interest in this area until Shell discovered oil in the 1950’s ( read Pentagon Papers, Ellsberg, Rand Corp )
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Lastly for our Vietnamese Reader, I highly suggest he read the following, of which I’m sure is not taught.
Vietnamese Recognition and Support for China’s Sovereignty Over Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands Prior to 1975
– Prior to 1975, Vietnam had, in explicit terms, recognized China’s territorial integrity and sovereignty over the Nansha Islands.
– Vietnam acknowledged the Nansha Islands as being China’s territory in its world maps published in 1960 and 1972 as well as its textbooks published in 1974.
– Vice Foreign Minister Dung Van Khiem of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam received Mr. Li Zhimin, charge d’affaires ad interim of the Chinese Embassy in Viet Nam and told him that “according to Vietnamese data, the Xisha and Nansha Islands are historically part of Chinese territory.” Mr. Le Doc, Acting Director of the Asian Department of the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry, who was present then, added that “judging from history, these islands were already part of China at the time of the Song Dynasty(960-1279, A.D.).”
– Nhan Dan of Viet Nam reported in great detail on September 6, 1958 the Chinese Government’s Declaration of September 4, 1958 that the breadth of the territorial sea of the People’s Republic of China should be 12 nautical miles and that this provision should apply to all territories of the People’s Republic of China, including all islands on the South China Sea. On September 14 the same year, Premier Pham Van Dong of the Vietnamese Government solemnly stated in his note to Premier Zhou Enlai that Viet Nam “recognizes and supports the Declaration of the Government of the People’s Republic of China on China’s territorial sea.”
– It is stated in the lesson The People’s Republic of China of a standard Vietnamese school textbook on geography published in 1974 that the islands from the Nansha and Xisha Islands to Hainan Island and Taiwan constitute a great wall for the defense of the mainland of China.
Your very first sentence indicates that you either did not read the article or your missed the entire point. The author contends that neither the Spratly nor Paracel islands belong either to China or Vietnam so, therefore, why would he use the ‘fantasy’ (in the words of the author) name nanshal? His contention, is both Vietnam and China are making fraudulent claims to both island sets, therefore he doesn’t consider the nanshal to be legitimate. I’m not in a position to judge if he’s right, but at least take the time to actually read his article and understand his point of view even if he might be in error on some points.
The author uses only CIA references, you obviously don’t understand this OP’s objective, or your along with the ride.
Why even say “Nanshal’ what is that?
Where is the word ‘fantasy’ used? The only use of ‘fantasy’ in this thread is you and the OP, which tells me your the same person.
This OP is biased towards ANZ ‘think’
If the OP was intellectually honest, he would be arguing that Palestinian land be returned to owners, and that USA would be returned to the Native American Indians.
Lastly, the OP refuses to acknowledge that “Brunei” is the Saudi of SE-ASIA that they are kissing cousins of house-of-saud and Israel.
Hang on. So he only uses CIA references to establish a very non-American Empire argument. I would say he he is just trying to use ‘accepted’ sources.
Why even say Nanshai? For exactly the same reason the UK refers to the Malvinas Islands as the Falklands. Figure it out.
‘If the OP was intellectually honest, he would be arguing that Palestinian land be returned to owners, and that USA would be returned to the Native American Indians’.
Now that’s really dishonest, because you are trying to associate a particlar region’s inequities to all others. They all need to be taken in their own way.
Most disengenous to call this “Spratly Islands”, as this is a British Name (ANZ)
CIA is MOSSAD, so let’s turn your argument around, OP only uses ANZ ( anglo-nazi-zion ) references to prove to justification for ANZ to steal the HANSHA Islands ( this name for 6,000 ) years. from China.
So that ANZ can build a MEGA-PORT in the China South Sea like their currently doing off shore of Israel ( was Palestine ) called “Port Ashdod” ( largest deep water port in the world, paid by Chinese on behalf of Israel (ANZ) )
@nonshal-not-spratly
Your argument is unconvinced. You obviously havent read his article with appropriate diligence, if you had you would also note the author also references personal contacts within Vietnam and his military.
I don’t claim he is right or wrong, but he does make an effective point about China making up fake historical claims (in other instances ) and unlike like uncritical partisans of the chinese position (whose very one sided view destroys their credibility), he is objective enough to accuse his country of doing the same.
The islands are in Asia not Europe, therefore why would we be calling them by European names it’s illogical. Also history does not begin with the European Renaissance. Just because the dark people of Africa ruled the Mediterranean nations of Europe after Rome’s fall doesn’t mean the rest of the world wasn’t thriving. The idiocy of your contempt exposes little knowledge of the subject let alone the world beyond the limited prism of Western History. Shame!
To Odidi ODIDIVA Mfenyana,
The illogical and shameless one is you!
The reason I call islands Paracel and Spratly not because I accept two names are official but because two names are very common to many people around the world so I use the name to avoid confusion.
I suggest you should try [caps and expletive removed by the Saker] to read again my report so you can understand why I say the historical claims are hoax.
Don’t come around here and insult people because they have different and contradict opinions to yours.
” the Japanese won the disputed islands, fair&square by war” Seriously? Is that based on Israeli fair and square standards?
So who was Spratly?
Well he’s ANZ from 1800’s, one of the largest boat-builders in the UK, and a top zionist for City of London.
No wonder the Mossad is partial to these islands.
Richard Spratly was born on 22 January 1802 in the parish of All Saints, Poplar, East London. UK boatbuilder, and supplier of ships to the Opium Cruise Lines of the ANZ.
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Funny thing is that only the CIA-MOSSAD call these the Spratly Islands, in China, or Asia they’re called the Honsha Islands.
The whole world belongs to “The Great Satan” (US GOV’T), just ask them.
Uncle Schmuel, the world loves Uncle Schmuel
Real outcome here?
The USA will deploy via Shell Oil to develop the oil fields off shore of Vietnam, e.g. USA will spend the money to develop. Then USA will default by 2022, and the USA people will get stuck with the debt.
This is a win-win for Israel-China.
Israel is now AIIB, and Israel is also SCO, you don’t sign an agreement having your nuclear fleet body-guard in the MED defending Israel by China, and not call this an SCO member, unless your a fool living in an occupied ANZ colony.
The other thing I speculate is that like Ashdod Port ( largest deepest port in region), Israel china will cooperate to build the largest deep sea port in east-asia, and the argument is “this is ok, because Israel is a friend of the USA”, so then Israel will have the largest deep-sea port in Mena/Africa ( ASIA-MINOR), and will have the largest deep-sea port on the asian-east coast, China will pay for this port, and its a great location, for Israel owned companys to send smaller ships into Vietnam to pick up merchandise.
Before 2025 USA completely bankrupts itself, and China-Israel via the ‘reset’ rule the world
You may find your world view a bit challenged when you learn that Gazprom is already drilling in the south China Sea via Vietnam granted exploration blocks that China has claims is theirs. Gazprom and Russia have pointedly ignored chinese objections to the Gazprom drilling activities done in partnership with Vietnam.
If my memory serves me right, The disputed islands are all very low, only a few feet above MSL and are all in an active taifun area. We have yet to see a category 4 or 5 going over the recently build structures. On top of that rising sea levels (if happening) will take their toll on the necessary maintenance of said structures
That’s why CHINA is dredging and making man made islands in the area, but most important like ASHDOD PORT in Israel, the plan here is create the largest deep water port in the SE-ASIAN Ocean, and that’s what’s got uncle-schmuel’s diapers in a fit.
Then Ashdod Israel (Mediterranean) will be joined to Ashdod Israel (SE-ASIA) and the silk-road will be jointly connected by mega-ports.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/china-firm-to-build-new-ashdod-union-buster-port/
China firm to build new Ashdod ‘union buster’ port New seaport would turn Israel into a major east-west trade route; powerful port unions had better stay out of the way, say officials; That was the deal made with China.
The USA is going nutz about these mega-ports.
I would disagree based on documented history alone wuthout US heganonic self interests . That it belongs more to china or vietnam whilst philipines barely has any claim.
“Japanese scholar Taoka Shunji criticised Japanese Prime Minister Shinzō Abe for trying to falsely portray China as a threat to Japan and that it was invading its neighbours like the Philippines, and pointed out that the Spratly islands were not part of the Philippines when the US acquired the Philippines from Spain in the Treaty of Paris in 1898, and the Japanese-ruled Taiwan itself had annexed the Spratly islands in 1938 and the US ruled Philippines did not challenge the move and never asserted that it was their territory. “
Spratly Islands dispute – Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute)
In addition history of the entire last documented century and a half, doesn’t really seem to indicate that Spratley belonged to Phillipines. And instead the west really doesn’t want a stronger china and backing Opponents more out of global politics.
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Lookup the documented history.
* In the 19th century, Europeans found that Chinese fishermen from Hainan annually sojourned on the Spratly islands.
* When the Spratlys and Paracels were being surveyed by Germany in 1883, China issued protests against them
* Later the colonial french wanted to annex spratleys and only one year after China got invaded by Japan..France during china’s troubles, claimed spratley despite china’s protest..
* But japan later took spratley from France and china also protested. But american colonised phillipines made zero protest as they did not recognise Spratley as their own.
* Then japan lost ww2 and abandoned the spratleys. China or ROC back then claimed spratelys and paracel. French warships then surrounded spratley but china managed to hold their ground. France gave up its claim after 3 years of china holding them off.
So in mid 1950, the ONLY ACTIVE CLAIMANT left of spratley, was actually just China or ROC. After ww2, both japan and france abandoned their claim and – there literally was no one else to dispute china’s claim..it wasn’t until almost a decade later after the 9 dash claim, a private non military fillipino citizen started living on the island and by the 70s, was forced by his fillipino gov to sell his “claim” to the gov for 1 peso.
That’s hardly a legit claim.
He’s just a nobody fisherman that taiwanese navy at the preexisting base at taipling island, could not be bothered to kill or shoo away. Such info is deliberately rarely made public in america or phillipines so it makes china look unreasonable
That doesn’t actually mean china has undisputed full rights. And it belongs to them without issue.
Situation is more complex with US bases circling china due to western backed laws, but the island of Spratley belongs more either to vietnam or china given the last century of disputes on the island. Phillipines barely has any rights to it given the last century history. Since it was mostly infamously contested between france colonised vietnam and china.
*Taiwan also claims all of the Spratly Islands and mirrors china as they are united in their claim.
An avid amateur historian
The Wilson Center is one of many useless mouthpieces of of western imperialism and thuggery. They probably being paid by USAID and George Soros .Most readers on this website know that you certainly cannot expect to hear anything good about China ,Russia and/or Iran from the WC. Never telling you a peep about Palestinian homes being destroyed daily but always ready to care about some rocks in a far away land with a bright future you cannot control.. Meanwhile….
The British government has failed to heed the 22 May 2019 UN General Assembly resolution enjoining it to vacate the Chagos Islands, which it occupies illegally, and hand them back to Mauritius within a six-month deadline.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article208396.html
Oncle Shmuel and CO do not give a hoot about the south China sea or it’s people . They just want you to kill each other (target China by poisoning it’s relationship with others),etc. It is too late now because China is going to the Land route through central Asia which is going to be much easier to defend and a suicide to attack. Russia and China (yes,China) will just add a final nail to the coffin(of the terminally sick West ) by helping the Syrian Arab Army eliminate every single Chinese ouigour in Idlib. There are 20000 Chinese ouigours Yankee Jihadists in Idlib and they know what is coming. This will be a lesson for uncle Shmuel and CO to never engage again in trying to use terror as a weapon against siting members of the so now useless and one sided UN.
Your reference to Muslims owning those rocks could be true but the question is ,do they want to finish like those dupes in Idlib Syria. Who want to die for a piece of rock anyway ?
Note: Oncle Shmuel is The Saker’s own way of calling the Neocon version of Oncle Sam.
You can read the Saker’s books (some are free to download) for a start to get yourself a good perspective about Geopolitics ,especially ,to understand the tricks the so called West is using and has always used . It will take a long time and a lot of reading . Lazy method is not going to help you because there is too much false informations out there . You have one advantage for not being a westerner ,it is that you will unlearn (unlerning is much more important here in my opinion).
Thank you ..
I completely agree with you about that AngloZionist want Chinese and Vietnamese kill each other so they can kill the remain one (Vietnam win or China win).
Thank you so much for your feedback. I agree with you that my information above can be wrong because the information about two islands are really vague so it is pretty hard to find the correct information about them.
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
@unorthodox black sheep VN,
Good article, thank you for doing your best sift-out the truth.
@UBSVN
I wont get into the ‘discussion’ since its already hotter than it really warrants…
but here are some other of my unfounded imagination….
or maybe vn and chn does not want ussa in the region so they do a show of fishing boats ramming each other?
A fishing boat is much cheaper than the USSA tax payer funded floating coffins and other toys
yes fishing boats, be it much fortified fishing boat, not navy…
but I could be wrong since the USSA war ships has tripped the red line again just recently… to show support for HK and Taiwan (both have election happening in few weeks/month)
Just like the HK show, and its a show… Question is : WHO? and WHY?
The ultimate CAF question: Who is Mr Global?! (and I add the woowoo, is he even human? by our standard biology 101 textbook)
about WW3 in the south sea – that we have to go to the prophecy about Xi. I have share that in other site once before but its nothing the west would take seriously… so you dont miss nothing :) but I am seeing the prophecy kinda happening… kinda thingy
By the way, I use the “National Interest of US from Paracel and Spratly Islands” part from the Wilson Center not because I believe “US need to defend itself” but I want to use the part like an example to help you guys understand how important and resourceful two islands is on military strategy for any countries who will claim two islands in the future.
The ouigours are being shipped to Afghanistan to make trouble in Central Asia.
Also …according to CIA Library
Those guys censored tiananen square witness accoubts for their agenda.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2008/07/21/commentary/birth-of-a-massacre-myth/#.XQ4v7FOuaDY
The french were Not the first to discover paracel island.
If you dig deeper, the chinese were already issuing phoshate mining licenses to private companies in the early 1900s on paracel.
1930s was the first discovery date. That is just gaslighting. You clearly making disinfornation as no mature historian can believe 1930s were the date that Paracel was FIRST discovered. You are deliberately hiding past info and context but you can never overwrite history.
Below is the Cambridge University press, United Kingdom that is documented forever.
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In the 1910-20s, the French Ministry of Colonies and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs agreed that the Paracel Islands were under Chinese sovereignty, and that France should not try to claim them, either on behalf of itself, or Annam. Therefore, France did not protest in 1921 when the government of Guangdong province declared the Paracels to be under the administration of Hainan Island. 5 years later in 1926, France refused an application from a French company to exploit guano in the Paracels. It also refused a similar application from a Japanese company
https://www.scribd.com/document/56468/The-South-China-Sea-in-the-Age-of-European-Decline
France after the Tonkin affair, wasn’t interested in another long drawn war over a small island but asserted control ONE YEAR AFTER china was invaded by japan in the north.
Thank you for sharing about the link and I am really grateful about this:
https://www.scribd.com/document/56468/The-South-China-Sea-in-the-Age-of-European-Decline
However, about this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2008/07/21/commentary/birth-of-a-massacre-myth/#.XQ4v7FOuaDY
Let me be honest, I use to believe the Tiananmen Square Massacre Myth until I read “http://www.unz.com/article/tiananmen-square-1989-revisited/” last years so you are really wrong if you think that I still believe this myth.
You said:
“1930s was the first discovery date. That is just gaslighting. You clearly making disinfornation as no mature historian can believe 1930s were the date that Paracel was FIRST discovered. You are deliberately hiding past info and context but you can never overwrite history.”
You accuses me being troll or disinformation agent, I say this in the last paragraph:
“I afraid I cannot give you guys the answer in the comment section because the topic is really pretty hard to me to answer. However, I will try to answer you guy as much as I can. I encourage you guys give me feedback and discusses about the matter at the comment section because I also want to learn and understand more about the Paracel Islands and Spratly Island, especially viewpoint fromVietnamese, Chinese and Philppines.”
In my opinion, I think the reason you call me disinformation agent or troll not because you think I am truly wrong about the islands but because I just don’t share the cliche that many anti-imperialism believe is “China is great, China is not Imperialism, etc.”
By the way, China, in my own opinion, is still an imperialism country and their ramming on Vietnamese fish boats and other neighbors is the evidence about Chinese Imperialism nature.
I hope what I say help you understand more about what I am trying to say above.
I agree that the blanket statement so often heard is that China = good – maybe the Chinese government is good – I like the president but there are many oligarchs in China – and oligarchs are not a good species no matter what the color or nation…
The ramming of fishing boats by Chinese Military ? And even then, is the Military under control ? But China is scary…there are so many people and they eat alot of animals that should not be hunted and log alot of trees that are not legally chopped down…everything is going to China now. Yikes.
I just want to thank you for this link, it was extremely interesting and enlightening to read.
“Let me be honest, I use to believe the Tiananmen Square Massacre Myth until I read “http://www.unz.com/article/tiananmen-square-1989-revisited/” last years so you are really wrong if you think that I still believe this myth.”
Also Morro is Not fillipino. Their islands were illegally colonised by America who annexed them.
Today, The Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) of Nur Misuari, based in Sulu, declared its support for China against the Philippines in the South China Sea dispute, calling both China and the Moro people victims of Philippine colonialism, and noting China’s history of friendly relations with the Moros.[115]
The MNLF also denounced America’s assistance to the Philippines in their colonisation of the Moro people in addition to denouncing the Philippines claims to the islands disputed with China, and denouncing America for siding with the Philippines in the dispute, noting that in 1988 China “punished” Vietnam for attempting to set up a military presence on the disputed islands, and noting that the Moros and China maintained peaceul relations, while on the other hand the Moros had to resist other colonial powers, having to fight the Spanish, fight the Americans, and fight the Japanese, in addition to fighting the Philippines
https://web.archive.org/web/20141026095549/http://mnlfnet.com/Articles/Editorial_11August2012_Impact%20of%20Possible%20China-Phil%20War%20Within%20Filipino-Moro%20War%20in%20Mindanao.htm
So now we can guess who’s been funding the terrorist Moro national front.
I do not think that world war 3 will start in south china sea.It is a looser for the US Navy.China cannot be taken by land .She will turn any approaching army or fleet into mincemeat especially with the help of Russia.
In my opinion WW3 will start in the Middle East and continue in the Phosphorus through Constantinople and it will be a lesson for the oppressor and a trial for the believer.
It will happen when the Angel comes and take Decency out of a chest of a teenage girl.(women) .Just my opinion but i am convinced that the more blood spilled in the Holy Land by any oppressor,the tougher the end is going to be. The only way is for the people to repent and stop .
There’s such a division of people now.
Some people WANT war and cruelty and blood and pain and on and on.
There’s a big divide between good and evil – and sometimes more than one kind of evil.
First people need to see that clearly. And then get on the right side. I hope it happens before the extinction of the animals and the air and the oceans.
In the end, I think Saker’s right – its East and West, – even though its strange that he lives in the West even though, as I do too, he thinks that the good side is the East.
China and Russia do represent what’s good about globalization. Its just that I wonder if globalization of any form is good. The internet is good because it shows the evil abroad. But the internet is awful. I mean we all stare into a screen for 3 hours a day to find out the awful things going on by the bad guys. Meanwhile the stars are out there waiting for us to see them in their spiritual reality.
But blessed are the Peace Keepers and that’s what China and Russia are now, as the form they take politically.
I also wanted to comment on this point, concerning world war 3. Who can start a world war 3? I only see two countries, namely Israel and the USA. And the first target will not be China, but Iran. Moreover, the countries in east and south-east Asia are too advanced and independent from the West; it is very hard to believe that they will be manipulated by the West in order to start a war among them, which serves the Western interests.
WW3 is already here, in the form of an intellectual political war, a financial war of resources and financial control of country’s and therefore its peoples, it starts with a debt owed and ends with resource extractions.
The Chinese claim to the South China Sea does use a 1947 map. However, they also have an historic claim much older, the 15th Century voyages of Admiral Zheng He, the Muslim Chinese adventurer who sailed seven expeditions all the way to Africa and Arabia.
The 1417 expedition sailed the line along the coast of Philippines to Malaysia to Indonesia and then out the Malacca Straits. Earlier and subsequent routes tended to hug the shoreline of China and Vietnam and did not include the vast South China Sea. The record then would be only China from the 15th Century could claim all the South China Sea because Admiral Zheng He had established the Ming Dynasty power and influence with his enormous fleet 255 ships, 27,000 sailors and the authority to take what he wanted, to settle disputes, and to spread Islam.
It’s a weak claim in today’s legal interpretation, but it is historic, factual and if China had not been invaded and controlled by Imperial Powers (UK and Japan) and gutted by opium foisted on its population by the British, China would have established today’s claims to the South China Sea 200 years ago.
Here is a link to maps which show the 1417 route:
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=Map+route+of+Admiral+Zheng+He+1417
All this is academic argument and won’t settle the issue. China has realized, though has barely begun with just the Philippines, to share the riches. They will co-develop gas discovery. More agreements with its neighbors to share the oil, gas and fisheries is inevitable. China might claim it all, but realism requires formulas to share the abundance.
One tempering element not mentioned by most who speak about the South China Sea is Russia. Their relationship with Vietnam alters the dynamic bad blood between Vietnam and China. There will not be warfare between Vietnam and China because Russia can cool down both of them with the close relationship it has with both nations. And China needs Russia and its naval presence (based in Cam Rahn Bay, Vietnam) to be a force the US has to account for in the region. Thus, many factors mitigate China’s claims and lead it to the inevitable solution to claim and counter-claim.
In 1974 I was recruited in the Philippines by Schlumberger as a field engineer. I was on board the drilling rig which drilled the wildcat well Sampaguita1 in the Reed/Recto Bank where we discovered gas in the mid 70’s in the Spratlys. China was nowhere in sight except for Vietnamese ship over the horizon. The Philippines occupies Pagasa island of Kalayaan, Palawan in the Spratlys. There is an elected mayor of this town. Pagasa island is in the process of repairing an airfield there which was the first airfield in the Spratlys. A berthing/beaching station is also being constructed. We have soldiers and civilians living in the island. Now Duterte is trying to get China to sign an exploration agreement with the Philippines over the Reed/Recto Bank. We do have the Malampaya gas field offshore operated by Shell with 45%, 45% Chevron and 10% PNOC in a 60-40 sharing production agreement with the Philippine government.
Recent survey in the Philippines has shown consistently that China is the least trusted country and US enjoys a high trust rating confirming what you stated about US support when super typhoon Haiyan devastated the Philippines. I saw in Manila military transport aircrafts of US, Australia and Japan ferrying relief goods and evacuees coming from the devastated regions of Visayas. China was at the bottom of the list among countries who helped EU, Canada and other Asian countries were way above China. This was at a time when PH had the case at the Permanent International Tribunal at the Hague which we won and was decided only after Duterte became the president.
https://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/10/08/16/how-much-yolanda-aid-did-ph-get-from-us-eu
In 2014 south-east Europe was hit by extreme floods, Serbia was devastated – the EU & the US, despite having a mssive presence in the region – NATO has forces both in Bosnia & Kosovo – did what? Nothing my friend. Russia came to the rescue, sent a major relief effort & rescue team & literally saved hundreds, if not thousands of people. Now maybe China did little to help the Philipines in a flooding incident, & as you say, may be the US did a lot – but give a background to the US presence in the Philipines. The US is the most trusted country there? China is the least trusted. Interesting, considering the US has militarily occupied the Philipines in the past, carried out a genocide there, & devastated the place economically. But the US is the most trusted country there. Pure propaganda. China is no doubt pursuing its interests regionally, as any state would, including the Philipines or Vietnam, or anyone given the chance. But the US in the region is a pure parasite, a colonial power that has done nothing but bring death & destruction. Vietnamese trust the US more than China? Maybe they do, but if I was to guess I would suspect that the average Vietnamese trusts & likes neither & would like both to just leave them alone. That is not the real world though. And then who are they, or the Philipines better off dong business with, the US or China? I can not decide for them, but I know who I would rather do business with given the choice.
@Srbalj,
Oh yes, you know more about philipino sentiment than Mr. Leano who has apparently years of contact with that country and actually worked on the very islands that are the subject of this article:
Every statement you’ve made about the US in the region is equally apply to China. A few readers have expressed their concern that they don’t trust China any more than any incumbent power. Yet, you accuse him of propaganda,.
I would agree that it seems unlikely that the Vietnamese ‘like’ or respect America/ns, however, almost every Vietnamese I’ve ever met both in the East and the West share one thing, a deep historic distrust and animus towards China, and this is even more acute when it comes to China under the CCP.
What a give-away by the author:
” I will not discuss more about this because I really don’t know about the China claim about the islands.”
The anonymost author thus puts himself in harm’s way.
Both the Chiang K’ai-shek and Máo Zédōng governments have shown and published statements from Hú Chi Mihn’s and Marcos governments of Viêt Nam and The Philippines declaring and asssuring the Chinese that Vieêt Nam and The Phillipenes recogniza and accept the Chinese suzeranity and sovereignity over the Nánshā and Zhōngsha groups of islets (“Spratlies” and “Paracels”),
All claims to the area are based on desire for resources or extending military power. Whenever have these desires ever helped a populace, as opposed to enriching or empowering the ruling elite? I don’t see sides to take as none are altruistic, nor to benefit the home population in any way. In the desire for military predominance how do we support either the US or China? Neither are benevolent, the US the devil we know and the Chinese merely the devil we don’t.
International law do not hinge on nation’s armys or navys (making international law the the law of the jungle). The rights to the islands must be settled via negotiaons, treaties, between the countries that have actual historic claim to the islands. In case this is difficult, it should be settled via international treaties, following special commisions, and voted over in the General Assembly of the UN. This would remove any military force.
A historic claim do not mean a discovery by a fleet, a continuous colonization of uninhabitated islands would mean a historic claim, otherwise not. Were there a indiginous population and also colonisations, new claims of the coloniser will not satisfy international law, the rights of the people to selfdetermination will prevail. Were there colonisation and other peoples were the user of the island, the right of the user will prevail. One can not occupy islands and expect that international law will follow. That is the law of the jungle.
There is a lot of disputing over this issue of rightful ownership in the comments. I got a laugh from the first sentences under the heading ‘Balance of Power’, which should bring no disagreement.
>The most important and least tangible stake in the South China Sea concerns the preservation (or not) of a regional “rules-based” order supported by U.S. power. This order embodies certain foundational political principles – respect for international law, preservation of the real sovereign independence of regional states, a refusal to legitimate unilateral territorial expansion,
Only in bizarro world could any believe this applies to or is followed by the empire. They make the rules. Everyone else must obey. They care nothing for international law, sovereign independence of states or refusal to territorial expansion. Nobody else can expand except them.
Perhaps these islands would not have become such an international issue if the empire was not constantly sticking its nose into an area that is literally a world away from them. China does not want to become a victim again and that is the main reason these islands are important to them. Otherwise, they are not threatening their neighbours with invasion and are offering mutual cooperation in all things trade. Included in this is a commitment to care for the environment. This is to be encouraged.
I don’t expect WW3 to begin in the South China Sea. That would be a suicide mission. Yes, the international bully has missile systems surrounding China. They will be targeted for elimination in the early going. China has missiles too. And any carrier fleets? Wouldn’t they be sitting ducks? I would expect the empire would rapidly be exhausted and defeated. This is why they always try to stir up internal strife in other nations, hoping that the locals will do the job for them, and afterward they can move in their corporations to rape the land. Hopefully, many of these nations have had enough of this and won’t fall for it again.
Dear Everyone,
I really apologize for anyone who is confused the “US National Interest” part. This is my fault for not being specify on the part because I assume everyone will understand what I say immediately. My two points on the part:
1. I use this part to explain US greedy true intention on South China Sea in reversal figurative meaning way.
2. I use the US interest like an example to help you guys understand that how resourceful of two island sets can be for any countries if one of them claim them successfully.
I hope my explain will save you guys from being confused.
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
Law ultimately comes out of the butt of a gun. He who has the biggest gun, makes the law; or rather is the law.
So, regarding the contested islands, whoever has the most guns in the area, owns the islands.
Anybody looking up the history and exploits of the Chinese explorer Zheng He, including any Vietnamese,portuguese,Filipino,dutch,etc will accept China’s claims. The whit colonialists, from whom the rest are basing their claims, who came later, in fact China may yet claim Diego Garcia some day !!
This stermenet by the author shows independent thinking, but is not quite correct:
“Photos have helped sustain the Tiananmen massacre myth. One showing a solitary student halting a row of army tanks is supposed to demonstrate student bravery in the face of military evil. In fact, it shows that at least one military unit showed restraint in the face of student provocation (reports say only one rogue unit did most of the evil that night).”
1: The event shows a person upholding a tank unit leaving Tiēn’ānmén square.
2: It is unlikely that the person is a student. He komes from the street south of th Pekin Hotel (formerly “L’otel vagon-lits” wandering towards the Wángfùjǐng shopping street on a pedestrian crossing northwards towards th Mekin Hotel.
3. The street was at that time blocked to the sout and only opened naorthwarda toward into the East Chángān avenue and northwards to the Pekin Hotel.
4. Most importantly, very few young men lived along that street except for a few employees at the BPekin Hotel and some adoptive sons of the Newzeelander and long time commie china hand Revey Ally. The young man upholding the tanks must have been one of these — maximum possible 20 candidates.
5. One CHinese top politician visiting Spane later the same year, said he knew very well who the young man was, and that he afterwards ha suffered no harm or repercussions.
Is all make the difference depends who you are and what you are if you Philippine you say in your favor , Vietnamese occupy The Area for long time The French and United States and the UN and the map handed To Us and recognize hundred year before say is belong to Vietnam , China Communist invaded in 1974 before South Vietnam collapse and another invasion after Vietnam Control by Communist Vietnam again in 1988 China invaded again and take more Territory from Vietnam , our generation before that we own it United States recognize it and Allies
OP title should be “Sore Losers – Why Vietnam does the same thing over & over” [Battle of the Paracel Islands]
In 1974 with CIA help the South Vietnamese puppets working for the USA, tried to occupy the Hansha Islands ( UK/ANZ names paracel/spratly ), they got the butts whooped.
“Battle of the Paracel Islands was a military engagement between the naval forces of China and South Vietnam in the Paracel Islands on January 19, 1974. The battle was an attempt by the South Vietnamese navy to expel the Chinese navy from the vicinity.”
As a result of the battle, the PRC established de facto control over the Paracels. Following the battle, China gained control over all of the Paracel Islands. South Vietnam protested to the United Nations, but China, having veto power on the UN Security Council, blocked any efforts to bring it up.The remote islands had little value militarily, but diplomatically the projection of power was beneficial to China
[ An interesting fact is the area has the deepest ‘sink hole’ on earth ]
China established these islands in 600AD, and the Vietnamese never discovered the islands until the 1600’s, the Philipinos never ventured to the islands.
In Chinese “Hansha”, means ‘Southern Sands’
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Vietnamese fought for the CIA/MOSSAD back in the 1950’s and they lost, and got abandoned in the 1970’s, just like the CIA has now abandoned the Kurds. So the question is, “Why do Vietnamese still carry water for CIA/MOSSAD?” knowing they will get left to dry? I suspect, its not a nationalist thing, all know that whether the country loses or not, the ‘players’ get a free visa and relocation package to the USA. Well at least that’s how it played out in 1975, where the loyalists to the CIA were rescued and transferred by the 1,000’s to Garden Grove, Calif. You have to wonder how many Kurds this time got the same ‘flight out’??
Let me response to your very “enlighten” ad-hominem to you, ok?
First, if you try to use your brain to read what I try to say in my article and some of my response in the comment section, then you will find out that I am not AngloZionist troll, and I also call Vietnamese ancient records on Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands are hoax.
Second, how dare you call our grandparents and parents, who fought and survived during the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s to protect their love ones CIA/MOSSAD puppet?? HOW DARE YOU? You think your Chinese government (not Chinese people) are innocent? Since you make up the story “Vietnamese fought for the CIA/MOSSAD back in the 1950’s and they lost, and got abandoned in the 1970’s,” then let me “make up” the story below that I heard from Vietnamese Veteran, not Vietnamese Government propaganda or Vietnamese history book:
During the 1960s, China had cooperated with US to mess up Soviet Union support to Vietnam by stopping Soviet support to Vietnam in the land and US stop the support in the sea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C5%A9ng_R%C3%B4_Bay_incident
Let me correct little bit here, about 100% in the Vung Ro Bay Incident are Soviet made, not Chinese weapon. If China truly support Vietnam during the 60s, then no Vung Ro Bay Incident, that common sense.
By the way, Korea was divided into North and South and thank to the hidden hand of China and US.
China invaded Vietnam unreasonable in 1979 (Don’t tell me just China invaded Vietnam to stop Vietnam invade whole South East Asia or any “justice” reason because they are ridiculous).
China supported Khmer Rogue during 1980s.
China supported Mujahideen during 1980s:
https://books.google.com/books?id=GXj4a3gss8wC&pg=PA157#v=onepage&q&f=false
So in conclusion, China Government is pretty treason and they are still at it right now.
Finally, if you attack only me, then I will ignore or accept your ad-hominem but you attack our grandparents and parents by calling them CIA/MOSSAD puppet then I have right to attack you back, ok?
If you don’t like my article and what I say here, then just attack ONLY ME but don’t attack our grandparents and parents, GOT IT?
Excellent response unorthodox blacksheep VN.
The people accusing you of being a troll are behaving like troll themselves: The people that have put blind faith in China based on emotions and ideology as going to look like fools when China betrays their world view and hopes. China, should not be blamed for doing so because they never signed up for the savior role attributed to them by their admirers: the one thing they’ve been pretty honest about is that they are pursuing their own national objectives (ruthlessly) based on practical considerations of gain and power for their people and leadership and not pursuing these national objectives based on international humanitarianism or idealism.
Based just on the examples you’ve provided alone, it’s clear that China has a track record of turning on their partners and often colluding with the very players that readers here consider to be the enemy: whether that’s the “Empire” or the butcherous Khmer Rouge under Pol pot.
One expects that Russia has reinforced their “back” with armour because it is almost a certainty that China will attempt a double cross or, at a minimum, let Russia down at a crucial moment. There is no alliance between Russia and China just the facade of a marriage of convenience.
“belong to Philippine historically”
Of China, Vietnam and The Philippines, who is currently under more control of the israeloamericans?
China has made islands from reefs and has militarized the area. They control Filipino and several times driven away our fishermen in the Philippine EEZ. China has destroyed corals and has been harvesting our giant clams which are endangered.
Recently a Chinese boat sank our fishing boat and left the fishermen in the water all by themselves. It was a Vietnamese boat which saved them.
China is consistently the least trusted country in the Philippines.
Correct. The bottom line is that all the countries have pretty weak claims on the islands. Just because someone sailed next to an island is hardly a claim at all.
it’s a sad world we live in today that leans toward every single piece of land being “owned” by someone. If the UN was a strong, principled organisation (which the AZ Empire prevents) it could rule that just Antarctica other islands can be treated as owned by no one.
Thank you for the article and spurring quite a meaningful though heated discussion. I love how you respond to the comments, thanking them and admitting your own limitations. You exhibit Oriental ethics and wisdom. When I write articles, I hope to learn from the responses I receive, rudeness notwithstanding. It’s all valuable, but of course it is good to point out nonsense when you see it too, as you do quite well.
The islands are a strategic prize in a global shakeup that threatens to be earth-shaking.
Most likely they were first discovered by the maritime Indonesian/Malaysian/Polynesian travelers, who brought rice to Japan in prehistoric times, but completely undesirable from anyone’s standpoint until the 20th century, when the Japanese found them a nice staging platform for invasion, but nothing beyond that until recently.
The Japanese own a remote uninhabitable island, Okino-Torishima, that they defend for economic reasons, reinforcing it and doing whatever else needed to maintain it. In the late 1800s, aware of western maritime strategy, they set about colonizing any islands they could nearby.
sulu never came to help so whatever pieces of land they were promised were never rightfully theirs. in the end sultanate of sulu ceased to exist.
brunei empire peak with coastal borneo as its territory with parts of southern philippines(which country does not exist until after spanish colonisation). around 15th century. malaysia(sabah sarawak) did not exist until after peaked colonisation/ post independence.
i feel like brunei has more claim due to history, distance, and longevity.
Republic of China erected a stone monument in Dec,1946 on Spratly Islands. pg.60-61
Ref : Perspectives on The South China Seas,City University,HK press
ISBN 978-962-937-299-6
Paracel Islands,there are quite a 1950’s US atlas,printed Paracel Island underneath ( To China ) or (China )