Yesterday, I watched with interest a talkshow called “The Right to Know” which featured an hour long interview with Sergei Lavrov (those who understand Russian can watch it here). It was an interesting exchange between Lavrov and five Russian reporters. It was not important enough to warrant translating it all into English, but I want to share with you something which I had noticed in the past but which was powerfully expressed during this conversation.
Predictably, the topics included the civil war in the Ukraine, the status of the investigation about the shooting down of MH17, sanctions against Russia, the expansion of NATO, the negotiations in Minsk and Russia’s engagement with the BRICS countries.
All all these topics, the Q&A had a similar format. One of the reporters asked Lavrov to comment on what appeared to be a dead-end situation and Lavrov confirmed saying “we tried our best, but to our great regret, that had no effect”. What was so interesting is that while the reporters were expressing bafflement that things had gone so far, Lavrov’s reaction was “yes, you are right, this is truly hopeless”. The overall effect was one of a PTA meeting discussing some hopelessly stupid and incapable student. Except the “student” in this case was the entire West.
For example, about MH17 the reporters voiced their amazement at the sterility and vagueness of the recently released report. They noticed that while the entire western media went into a full hysteria mode with headlines like “PUTIN THE TERRORIST!!!!” or “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!” they all apparently totally forgot that the investigation was still ongoing. Lavrov’s reaction was “yes, I agree, well, we tried at the UN Security Council, we submitted our questions, we wanted a full ceasefire with a thorough investigation of the debris, we offered our own information, we spoke to the Malaysians, we wanted to speak to the experts, but they spent three weeks in Kiev talking to the Junta officials,, we still have questions but we are the only ones who apparently are still interested in getting a full transparent and accountable investigation going” (this is no a quote, but a faithful paraphrase, I think). The sense one got from listening to this was “frankly, they are hopeless, what else can we do?”
Touching upon the sanctions, the reporters said that many countries were surprised at the speed at which Russia turned away from the West and began building relations with Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Indian Subcontinent and, again, Lavrov replied “yes, we were even surprised by the pace of events ourselves, but we had no choice”.
This is not the only show which sends the same message. The sense that I am getting is that Russia has given up on the West. Sure, she will continue talking, and she will try, against all evidence, to elicit some adult responsible behavior from western politicians, but nobody in Russia is holding his/her breath.
On another show (Sunday Evening with Vladimir Soloviev) the participants remarked that Germany had taken the lead in putting pressure on Finland, the Slovak Republic and the other nations who did not want to adopt more sanctions. Again, the message was “forget about the Germans, they are hopeless”.
I believe that there is a sincere and widespread sense of disgust and hopelessness in Russia towards the EU countries. As for the USA, they are mostly seen as a hate-filled messianic lunatic who will do anything and everything to harm Russia in any way it can, no matter how crazy, absurd, useless and hypocritical.
All this builds up to a consensus that while war with the USA and NATO must be avoided, of course, there is nothing much else to be gained from making much efforts. Many politicians now say “our foreign policy has been way to fixated on the West and that needs to be stopped – our future is elsewhere”.
The recent adoptions of sanctions against Russia are a perfect example of that. While I few hardcore pro-US liberal figures complain, I kid you not, that the French ‘belon‘ oysters will not be available in Moscow, most people see that these sanctions are a blessing in disguise as they force Russia to sever links with the West, something they believe should have been done long ago. In the short term, the western sanctions will “bite”, especially on some high-tech items, but by and large most people understand that being dependent on the West for such items was the real mistake in the first place.
Again, the prevailing sense is one of disgust, bewilderment, and fatigue. Though somebody as diplomatic as Lavrov will never say the, the general reaction is clearly “you guys are both hopeless and in decline; we don’t need, you, goodbye”. This is said without anger, mostly with sadness, really.
I don’t think that Russian diplomats will make a big anti-western statement at the UN or anywhere else. The opposite of love is not hatred, but indifference. And Russian officials will continue to speak of “our partners” or even “our friends”, but while this nice sounding rhetoric will continue, relations with the West will gradually cease to be a priority for the Russian diplomacy, business community and even general public. In fact, Russia is already building a multi-polar world and if the West wants no part of it – tough. The Russians know that the West cannot prevent the emergence of this new world, and they don’t really care if they refuse accept this reality or play by the new rules.
One more thing: the Russians are most definitely upset about the very aggressive NATO stance because they – correctly – interpret it as a sign of hostility. But, contrary to what a lot of bloggers say, the Russians have no fear of the military threat posed by NATO. Their reaction to the latest NATO moves (new bases and personnel in Central Europe, more spending, etc.) is to denounce it as provocative, but Russian officials all insist that Russia can handle the military threat. As one Russian deputy said “5 rapid reaction diversionary groups is a problem we can solve with one missile”. A simplistic but basically correct formula. Putin said the very same thing when he clearly spelled out that in case of a massive conventional attack by “anybody” Russia would engage tactical nukes. In fact, if NATO goes ahead with its stupid plan to deploy forces in Poland and/or the Baltics I expect Russia with withdraw from the IRNF Treaty and deploy advanced successors to the famous RSD-10 (SS-20). As I mentioned before, the decision to double the size of the Russian Airborne Forces and to upgrade the elite 45th Special Designation Airborne Regiment to full brigade-size has already been taken anyway. You could say that Russia preempted the creation of the 10’000 strong NATO force by bringing her own mobile (airborne) forces from 36’000 to 72’000. Having thus taken care of the threat, the Kremlin will simply turn to more important business elsewhere.
Among the many misconceptions we absorb during our training (I cannot call it “education) we, in the West, have a tendency to view our part of the world as the center of the planet, some even would say the indispensable and only truly important one. This can be seen in our systematically Europe or US centered maps of the world, to our quasi dogmatic beliefs that nobody matters as much as we do. This is wrong. In fact, while the AngloZionist Empire is on slow but steady and ineluctable decline, the rest of the world pays it the needed lip service and basically moves on. If the training facilities we call “schools” had any educated educators we would start hanging China-centered maps of the world in our training rooms, and we would tell out young trainees that nobody takes the so-called “western values” seriously anymore. Not because they are not good, but because clearly we, in the West, don’t take them seriously in the first place.
Obama announced a “pivot” towards Asia but, in a typical AngloZionist manner, all this pivot really meant was more military forces and more pressure to obey the Empire’s demands. Unlike the US, Russia did not announce any “pivot”, but Putin already met with Xi Jinping four times this year and both sides have declared that their strategic partnership was the strongest it had ever been in the history of their relationship.
Russia is really turning her gaze to China, Latin America, Africa and elsewhere. Her diplomats will continue to talk, smile, speak of “partners” and “friends”, but I believe that we are witnessing a historical event: for the first time since the 13th century, Russia is turning away from the West again and betting her future with Asia (and the rest of the planet).
The Saker
Katherine,
;~)
Heh heh I called it the end of a crush when talking with a friend this afternoon, then immediately for some reason thought of this, by Leon Redbone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsFOBLrFGig
Washington’s War Against Russia — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/14/washingtons-war-russia-paul-craig-roberts-2/
German Chancellor supports Verkhovna Rada passing law on special status of Donbass
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/749531
Maidan Moscow is coming at a theatre near you next sunday
Yabloko leader: party might not recognize results of elections to Moscow legislature
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/749529
A Just Russia says it doesn’t recognize Sunday elections in St. Petersburg
Ukies and Georgian activists arriving by thousends in Moscow
http://rt.com/politics/186252-russian-maidan-yabloko-dollars/
Why does the FSB is not jailing these terrorists sponsored by US?
Putin sunday should be on his way to NYC for the UN General Assembly…when MH 17 happened he was on his way back from former BRICS Brazil…strange?
Russia is really turning her gaze to China, Latin America, Africa and elsewhere. Her diplomats will continue to talk, smile, speak of “partners” and “friends”, but I believe that we are witnessing a historical event: for the first time since the 13th century, Russia is turning away from the West again and betting her future with Asia (and the rest of the planet).
Lavrov’s tone demonstrates an awareness of the difficulty of turning away. You can’t reverse ancient trade flows like you can’t reverse the Volga. Russia’s economy will remain oriented towards Europe. What is at stake, in addition to the usual calculus on energy, is ensuring Russia is the favoured gateway for the movement of goods and people across the Eurasian landmass.
A large scale turning to the east is no small matter. Imagine if VVP announced tommorrow he would turn Vladivostok into St. Petersburg of the east. Promising to invest billions he would start by building infastructure including roads.
And with roads and investment would come wave upon wave of migrants who would soon outnumber Russians 500 to 1. Development in Asia is fraught with danger and specically not developing the border regions near China may be the wisest strategy of all.
Not too long ago I read that Russia still didn’t have a highway across Siberia. If this is still so it won’t be for long. The forces unleashed by multiple new Silk Roads stretching from China to the West will keep Russia very busy for the forseeable future. The Anglo-Zionists will not easily accept the mere existence of any alternative trade routes bypassing the sea lanes and air ways they already control.
The path laid before Russia will be difficult and thank God for that!
Without this tribulation Russia might not have found the strength to pull herself together quickly enough to face the monumental challenges of the century ahead.
We should all wish Russia well. A strong Russia is always good for local people and local interests.
It always has been.
I’ve noticed Lavrov’s pessimism lately. But, as the Palestinians found out long ago, negotiating with this crowd of sub-hominids is mostly a waste of time. One might as well try and reason with H.G. Wells’ aliens in “War of the Worlds” – the mentality of the two, including the “alien” pov of us “earthlings” is the same.
“No one would have believed in the early years of the 21st century that our world was being watched by intelligences greater than our own [“chosen people”, “master race”, “exceptional”, the way the deluded things think of themselves as they ponder their large bellies, Neanderthal brows and intermittently functioning genitals ; ] that as men busied themselves about their various concerns, *they* observed and studied, the way a man with a microscope might scrutinize the creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacency, men went to and fro about the globe, confident of our empire over this world. Yet across the gulf of space, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic regarded our planet with envious eyes and slowly, and surely, drew their plans against us.”
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Anonymous said…15 September, 2014 02:21
“Maidan Moscow is coming at a theatre near you next sunday”
Spielberg and fellow travelers in porn will make that a certainty,no doubt.
The media/PR war on Russia is zionist originating, just like most of the conflicts now. Keep that in mind when when Israel is claimed to be neutral.
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Anonymous said…15 September, 2014 00:16
Israel lost 6 million people and Russia lost 28 million people in WW2. Why does not Russia build its own holocaust to remind the Germans and Europe of the Russian tragedy?”
Because “Two wrongs don’t make a right”.
First there was no Israel in WW2, the nazi slaughter of Jews had nothing to do with Israel, and in fact they had active supporters among Jewish zionists eager to be their allies against Britain. Your way of phrasing suggests your Jewish zionist bias and prejudice.
Second, there is no reason for Russia to imitate Jewish zionist pseudo religion by copying their Holocaust business. They are adults.
Third, the Soviets have already memorialised their victims across the USSR, Russia inherited these memorials. That you don’t recognize this is your problem, not Russia’s. Fix your own warped history of those times, and stop brutilising the Palestinians and acting like the way nazis acted towards Jews with regard to Palestinians.
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Anonymous said…
Israel lost 6 million people … BLA BLA BLA … tragedy?
You better watch below Scotsman’s YouTube before passing numbers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
OR ( alternative )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEJ_7vJIuUc
I have watched 6 mln times already.
Anonymous said…
Baboo here,
“Israel lost 6 million people… .”
Huh?
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Jews believe that six million must perish before they can return to Israel
Six million were said to have died in WW I as well
http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/wwi-holocaust-01.html
They have been using that figure of pogroms as far back as 1915
http://youtu.be/Dda-0Q_XUhk
http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/jews/6millionlie.htm
@Mohamed
Which one of the Cahoots Bros. made Rafsanjani say “Iran Doesn’t Need Assad”
No, Iran Doesn’t Need Assad
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/no-iran-doesn-t-need-assad/279340/
I want to make it easy for you so I’ll draw a straight line:
Rafsanjani backs Rouhani for Iran presidency
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/06/201361116525755648.html
What do you think Hassan Nasrallah said to himself when the Rafsanjani-Rouhani tag team took control of the Iranian government in a Kosher ‘Suprise’ election victory.
Meanwhile in the Knesset it was blintzes all around.
re …during our training (I cannot call it “education) …
It can be helpful to distinguish between “schooling” and “education”.
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Public education in America is to turn out obedient citizens through indoctrination
And to prepare them to be ardent consumers of goods and services
Yes, I have been reading Lavrov’s recent interviews and have detected a sense of giving up on the west as well. I hope the Russian people are not unaware of how many westerners are championing them and consider Russia a beacon of light in the dark, global fascist bankster world. I recently signed a “Letter to Putin” giving my support:
http://dearputin.com/?doing_wp_cron=1409961736.6323349475860595703125
I note there are now over 25,000 people from all over the world who have signed it. What we need to do is come up with a way of communicating with Russians and working with them apart from the state apparatus. That is OUR challenge.
Is it just me that does’nt see such a traitor problem in Russia?
Sorry guys here in the community but cheka will have it all under control at home no matter what we ‘ll say.
felix 11/9.
I heard this over 30 years ago about Sears Roebuck, and more recently about Walmart — it goes for many large companies.
The game is to buy things from a small company, in sufficient quantity to force the supplier to revamp and retool to meet the quantity demanded.
Then after a bit the retailer demands a lower price, and keeps on squeezing, until the supplier can no longer make a profit, nor make the product up to it’s former standards. Often they end up having to fold the company.
This is a well known strategy in the US for making maximum profits despite driving companies out of business, cheapening the products, or driving the producer to pay workers slave wages.
It’s not just companies who seek to make other companies dependent on them to the point of having virtually complete power over and ‘raping’ them; this is what the US does with foreign policy all the time. It’s ‘the American Way’ — it’s an essential characteristic of capitalism.
__Blue
Where-Wolf have you been to the middle east? I dont use the example of the US here because it is similar but on a far smaller scale..
Qatar for instance has a population of less than 200,000 citizens but a population of over 2 million. UAE was a desert with a small port that serviced very small ships for trade. Yet it now boasts the worlds tallest building and apartments in it cost close to $500K.. Their infrastructure and public services are up to western standards and who do you think built all this? Not the people who lived in tents for sure.
So why should Asians or others move to Russia to build it up? If the middle east is any guide then they would do a fantastic job of being Russian than the Russians themselves. You also never mentioned that those areas of Russia in the east were conquered from Asians themselves. So you are now advocating the same thing the Europeans did to the native Americans and Australians and Canadians. What ever makes you think white people are exceptional and gods chosen ones. Although Western civilization thinks its the inventor of civilizations and technology, it covers up the fact that western ideology was rammed down the throats of others by force and the west was only far better at deceit, lies and cunning. Yes the same ones being used today against Russia itself. For some strange reason Asians do not believe in exporting their ideology and surpassing the natives in distant places. Its the one thing I never understood. Even when the Mongols invaded Europe they still only made the conquered as vassals. They could have converted the entire region into some kind of mongoloid fiefdom.
If Russia has to have any chance to compete with western civilization they have to embrace Asian culture openly unlike being forced to accept it. I don’t know of any instances of Asians going to distance lands and forcing them to convert either to their culture or religion. Which cant be said for inferior western civilizations. If anything Asians have always enhanced and upgraded western lands they have infiltrated and even assimilated to the local culture to an extent while westerners have always destroyed any lands they have conquered and basically ethnic cleaned the locals to the point of extinction at places they setteled or left the land barren of civilization before leaving.
The so called advanced western civilization Sounds more like locusts to me!
“The government of the United States has been a Totalitarian Oligarchy since the military financial aristocracy destroyed the Democratic Republic on November 22, 1963, when they assassinated the last democratically elected president, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and overthrew his government. All following governments have been unconstitutional frauds. Attempts by Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King to restore the Republic were interrupted by their murder.
A subsequent 12 year colonial war against Vietnam, conducted by the murderers of Kennedy, left 2 million dead in a wake of napalm and burning villages.
In 1965, the U.S. government orchestrated the slaughter of 1 million unarmed Indonesian civilians.
In the decade that followed the CIA murdered 100,000 Native Americans in Guatemala.”
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Yes they did kill them and that was on Paul Craig “Washington” Robert’s watch when he was a fixture in the Reagan administration.
For some unknown reason people continue posting his rantings all over the web.
To hell with Roberts the lying stooge.
Really interesting observations! However, shouldn’t Stalin’s “Socialism in one country” also count as an example when Russia developed independently from the West? (I’m not making any comments about the quality or Stalin’s Russia, just saying that you don’t have to look all the way back to the 13th century for an example of Russia separating from the West)
The movement towards Asia actually began with Ivan Grozny and gained steadily momentum over the following centuries. Russia was not “thrown” in the arms of the Chinese because Europe “isolated” her. It is an almost geological movement. Europe is left behind.
Anonymous said…
Israel lost 6 million people and Russia lost 28 million people in WW2.
Why does not Russia build its own holocaust to remind the Germans and Europe of the Russian tragedy?
15 September, 2014 00:16
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I agree and think Russia should build its own museum and monuments under the name The Russian Holocaust
Croat and Russophile
Saker,
You have seen a US map of the world. It puts the Americas in the centre and splits Russia to the left and right of the Americas.
A West European map puts Russia on the right; a Russian map puts Britain in the top left corner.
The problem is perspective and Americans have zero and the poorly educated British elites have no geography or history – Cameron like Blair is poorly educated. It is hard to find people born after 1955 with any real grasp of history and geography.
Ignorance is Strength said George Orwell.
I would really treasure an opportunity to have dinner with Lavrov, he is a very interesting man with I believe, a sardonic approach and very astute
What Putin, Lavrov & others see — but most do not — is that one purpose of Western stupidity is intentional chaos.
G7 Oligarchs still rule (for 200+ yrs.). BRICS are the new kids. If G7 Oligarchs maintain status quo of chaos, G7 ‘Ollies’ continue to rule.
“That’s another fine mess that you’ve gotten me into, Ollie” says Stan in Laurel & Hardy movies. No accident.
One top-level G7 Ollie is Daddy Bush. See “Two Planes / One Perp” at http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7164.
@ intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic regarded our planet with envious eyes and slowly, and surely, drew their plans against us.
I don’t think so. They watched it with curiosity initially, then with increasing annoyance, until they decided to cleanse the world of these noxious crawlers who might submerge it with their shit.
This decoupling, can the US survive without the BRICS using the US dollar? Instead of a global extortion racket, it will now be an extortion racket comprising of UK, EU, Canada, Australia and NZ…can these mostly bankrupt countries support the US?
Dei iudicium, the great Austrayan mediocrity is thoroughly brainwashed. The political caste are united in subservience to the USA and Israel. Jews are vastly over-represented in ‘Rich Lists’, are avid political ‘contributors’ (as throughout the West) and expect, and receive, their quid pro quo, and pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian prejudice is rampant in the MSM. The main MSM empire,that of Murdoch has been running ferocious Islamophobic hate campaigns, in order to cover-up and excuse Israeli barbarity in Gaza, and Russophobic and Putin-phobic hate campaigns over Ukraine.
In fact MSM lying in regard to almost any and every geo-political, social or economic controversy in society is nowadays total and inescapable, with complete Groupthink and no discernible range of opinion whatsoever. Yet the crustaceans who populate this crude propaganda system still proclaim themselves paragons of every virtue, ‘truth-tellers’ and moral marvels. Their contempt for the MSM of all non-Western states is quite comic, if innately racist and culturally condescending.
Australian media did report next to zero about the last Summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in Dushanbe. A non-event!
It is commonly understood that Propaganda is usually employed to garner citizens’ support for current political objectives. But, these need to be placed in the proper context, in order to make them appear justified within the greater scheme of things. This fact has long been recognized, and therefore, since the eighteenth century, there has been a concerted effort to consolidate the media, in order to ensure a perception of reality, that was commensurate with the objectives of the powers that be.
Part of this agenda has been the re-writing of history, to nurture patriotic devotion to the collective consisting of the nations of Europe and America as “Western Civilization”, to be pitted in opposition with some specific “other”. In our case, the “East”.
http://thedyinggod.com/
Why dont you start a war, anyways my life has no meaning or purpose these days
Some thirty million adults in the U.S. do not have the skills to perform even the most basic tasks such as adding numbers on a bank slip, identifying a place on a map, or reading directions for taking a medication. Eleven million Americans are totally illiterate in English.
http://www.hermes-press.com/education_index.htm
…nobody takes the so-called “western values” seriously anymore. Not because they are not good, but because clearly we, in the West, don’t take them seriously in the first place.
Once again, Saker, you are dead-on here. The only Western ‘values’ anymore are:
1.) war-mongering
2.) rank hypocrisy
3.) political correctness
The republic is now dead. This is the age of the Empire. Enjoy it while it lasts, because, the way it’s being run, it probably won’t last too much longer.
Thanks so much Saker; Lavrov’s viewpoint I regard as the most credible of any, and the most dedicated diplomat and peacemaker in the world.
and I am a little reassured by your estimation of Russia’s way forward, without those hopeless supplicants to the Med-USA..
But there is a problem. What will Russia do to protect both its own interests and those of its allies in Syria, now that Obama has threatened to take out the Syrian air defences presumably with a volley of Cruise missiles from the Med? There is no doubting the ‘sincerity’ of his threat, or of its intent against Russia as well as Syria. It seems like time for a warning shot across the bows..
Love Lavrov- have t shirt
(poor West, poor old blighty…)
but . .
– ladies and gentlemen: ART prememtive first strike capability:
(fallen angel, Damien Hirst)
http://nbyarwood.blogspot.com/2014/09/culture-vulturestoday-at-least.html.
Whole idea of western values is bull scat. Whole so called western civilization is build upon values/knowledge of the East. Greek scholars learned in Bharat. All doctrines, and most stories in Abrahamic religions originate in vedas, zend avesta. First democracy was not Greece at all, but Ebla in confederation of other city states. Medes had democracy as well. Vedic times were communism= commune ( kibutz). Even Jesus was member of Nazorean-Essene commune- Qumran. Biblical flood is exact copy of vedic flood with central figure Manu. Law, legal system etc. Eventualy all was founded by aryans. R1a.org
http://agniveer.com/manu-smriti-and-women/
Dutch journalist posted the following article on twitter, saying ” predictive words from 2008″
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB122100831438617621
The Ukrainian chastisers have sent to the mothers of Donetsk civil guardsmen the cut off heads of their sons.
http://novororssiyaupdates.blogspot.com/2014/09/radicals-of-right-sector-differ-in.html
“…[T]he prevailing sense is one of disgust, bewilderment, and fatigue.”
Speaking about western politics as a Westerner I heartily agree with ose sentiments…
Well nobody can blame him, after months of increasing anti-russian propaganda.
I feel sorry for Russia and for Europe, what would be possible together? Everything…
Writing you from Central Europa I can only emphasize, that the actions of the EU ruling class and their supporters (<10% of people) are in sharp contrast with the thinking of the people.
Those numbers of “awakened” people is exploding at the moment, so we can be quite optimistic in future.
@Alien Tech: “But because of things Russia did they lost trust with Iran, the contract with India for the 250 fighter jets and other weapon systems, Chinese seem happy to be able to get stuff now they could not before but that don’t help anyone”.
This is a over-simplification of the incidents related to inter-state relations and hence, gross misrepresentation of facts. True, Russia had issues with supplying S-300 to Iran because the Russian 5th column expected USA will ‘reset’ the relations with Russia (may be couple of millions of dollars would have got deposited in bank accounts of those leaders); Indian defense establishment + ruling politicians were expecting huge cut-money from fighter jet deal; China earlier copied Russian defense equipment, hence Russian exporters were reluctant to supply. If scenario changed now, that is simply because President Putin is fully focused in creating a core Eurasian alliance (Russia-Belarus-China-Kazakhstan) surrounded by outer Eurasian alliance (Iran-India-Vietnam-Mongolia) … and if Putin-Xi-Nazarbayev have their way, within next 5 – 6 years all these countries will have rock-solid defensive and offensive equipment which WILL NEVER BE USED AGAINST THE INTEREST OF ANY ONE OF THESE COUNTRIES.
@Alien Tech: “You also never mentioned that those areas of Russia in the east were conquered from Asians themselves. So you are now advocating the same thing the Europeans did to the native Americans and Australians and Canadians. What ever makes you think white people are exceptional and gods chosen ones. Although Western civilization thinks its the inventor of civilizations and technology, it covers up the fact that western ideology was rammed down the throats of others by force and the west was only far better at deceit, lies and cunning.”
I hope, you are not equating Russian civilization with ‘Western civilization’.
‘East Slavic (Orthodox Christian) civilization’ west of Urals is really different from ‘Western (Christian) civilization’ … regions who probably are not sure about themselves are ‘west Slavic’ and ‘Balkan tribes’, some of whom follow ‘western’ and some other follow ‘eastern’ societies.
Russian rulers maintained state policies of Mongolian rulers on preservation of all tribes, languages, religions in different regions of empire.
Anonymous Indian
Great post….Love it.
I have only one thing to add regarding the EU. We must not forget that the formation of the European Union has been central to the plan for the creation of world government, so desired by the Western elite. It all happened in Europe first. North American countries are now following in the footsteps of the European model. The “harmonization” of North America is the result of decades of planning originating in the UK and Europe and carried forth by corporate, military and establishment forces within the US, Canada and Mexico.
Either the EU participates in the Western thrust toward greater global conquest or splinters and dissolves, along with the dissolution of their hegemonic aspirations. Europe(ean leadership and oligarchy) are far from blameless.
Now, in the US, as they move forward with their clandestine thrust toward a North American Union, we not only no longer have a southern border, but apparently no particular national identity, except that which still resides in the minds of the people. I noticed recently that television ads are beginning to describe products as “Made in North America”, rather than as “Made in America” (which previously meant made in the USA). In the minds of our leaders, the USA already no longer exists. Pity not John Kerry, but the hordes of American people who still believe they have a country.
I pray that EU leaders might give in to pressure from European people and separate themselves from the AZE. I pray that Scotland votes for independence from the UK and breaks from the EU. I pray the people of Catalonia do the same. The best we can hope for is that the entire Western project begins to splinter and break from within.
Pat
It is a puzzle how U.S. policy can be so inept and not just regarding its foreign policy. I think the people at the top of the government are largely politicians and lobbyists rather then professionals. If people like Chas Freeman, who was nixed by AIPAC, were advising Obama I doubt we would have such a stupid and reckless foreign policy.
@Alien Tech
Their infrastructure and public services are up to western standards and who do you think built all this?
You are correct. They are up to Western Standards in all aspects of life in the ME. Is that good?
I don’t mistake gleeming towers built by Western engineering firms and cheap South Asian labour as progress. These societies (Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Saudi, etc.) are miniturized American satrapys who export murder and mayhem to the world in honour of the gods of money and Holy Zion.
You also never mentioned that those areas of Russia in the east were conquered from Asians themselves.
Good point. Are advocating Russia gives it back? Should they also cede Siberia to the Chinese on account of their numbers?
A strong Russia is good for the world. I advocate for local people. If someone sets up a tent in my backyard I will remove it if I feel threatened or in danger of being overwhelmed.
Incidently I have even less repsect for White Nationalists than I do for globalizing cultural Marxists. In the end both are working towards the same destructive goals.
What ever makes you think white people are exceptional and gods chosen ones. Although Western civilization thinks its the inventor of civilizations and technology, it covers up the fact that western ideology was rammed down the throats of others by force and the west was only far better at deceit, lies and cunning. Yes the same ones being used today against Russia itself. For some strange reason Asians do not believe in exporting their ideology and surpassing the natives in distant places.
If you’re in the mood for an in depth read, I recommend the Shape of Ancient Thought: Comparative Studies in Greek and Indian Philosophies by Thomas Mcevilley. The modern world was shaped mostly between India and Greece. Western colonialism is a parasitical economic system in which local resources are stolen for the benefit of the Empire. I am against all forms of parasitical behaviour. I want you to think deeply about how much of our modern lives and how we live it are biased towards parasitism, social, economic or otherwise.
It sounds to me like you’re a bit of an Asian imperialist — i.e. taking the worst qualities of Western racism and ethno-centricism and adopting them as your own. I think it is funny when the Chinese in particular pretend that their society is tolerant of diversity. If you stand out in an Asian society you will be crushed. Ask the Uighurs or a hundred other indigineous minorities about Han tolerance.
> “forget about the Germans, they are hopeless”
As a blond, blue-eyed, native German born from native German parents, living in Germany I unfortunately and to my utter regret have to fully acknowledge this statement.
The rulers of this country, whether you look at the political or the managerial “leaders” are pondscum of such unimaginable vileness that I really had to get to know them personally, due to my education, to learn to know against my will and against my initial naive prejudice that unspeakable expletives like them do actually exist among the hominidae.
And the german sheeple are such braindead compulsive authority venerators that I feel deeply embarrased that I have to belong to the same biological species as them.
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Great analysis Saker,
The mighty nation of Russia is making the correct decisions for its peoples. I wish my homeland of New Zealand would do the same, but instead we continue down the path of feudal caste class system.
More evidence that the elitist private owners of foreign banks are committing predatory lending control fraud to enslave the what the bankers themselves refer to as the ‘real economy’ of New Zealand. How much more will it take to stop the sheoples of New Zealand lining up to have their throats cut?;
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/property/news/article.cfm?c_id=8&objectid=11356874
First-home buyers took out only 10 per cent by value of mortgages given by New Zealand banks in September.
They were outstripped by landlords nearly three to one.
Reserve Bank lending figures showed banks gave mortgages worth $4.2 billion in September of which first-home buyers borrowed $430 million.
Investors borrowed $1.2 billion.
Other owner-occupier lending was $2.5 billion but an official said that could include customers getting new mortgages and switching banks, loan top-ups, mortgages for renovations, holidays and other reasons.
Business lending was $67 million in September.
The Reserve Bank started publishing mortgage figures broken down by borrower type two months ago.
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This link here details how the elitist private owners of private banks have been able to loan nations including New Zealand massive amounts of what is counterfeit credit without setting of the warning bells and whistles the resulting inflation should by hiding the resulting inflation by false accounting trickery;
Failure of Interest Rate Inflation Targeting and the part of former New Zealand Reserve Bank Governor Don Brash as flag bearer for the failed policy.
http://publiccreditorbust.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/failure-of-interest-rate-inflation.html
Under the present private banker controlled money system structures the nation is wrongly driven by foreign debt servicing demands to put exporting non-surplus produce above internally balancing the domestic economy to be the best it can be for as many locals first, before then only exporting only what is surplus to the nations own requirements.
For instance the milk price when rising is said to be justified due to it being now tied to the global market price of the time, yet when the global market price recedes the local price remains the same or increases.
This is because as global revenues for Fonterra decrease they must find increased revenues elsewhere to continue to service their massive foreign debt liabilities over and above giving their fellow citizens a fair go.
Those that truly want to make a difference in regards to the ever increasing growing inequality within the present New Zealand British colonial heritage era money system structures and solutions required, please read this link below;
http://publiccreditorbust.blogspot.co.nz/2014/09/warmongering-british-colonial-heritage.html
Warmongering British Colonial Heritage Private Central Banking Empire.
Attempting to form public policy for equal economic opportunity of all citizens within society without a full knowledge of the function of money as a system, the role of credit and currency within a money system, is doing so by looking at 1/3 of a many piece puzzle forced together in frustrated confusion, thinking its complete, when 2/3 of the picture needed in the middle to make clear sense of it all is in-fact one large piece that has been hidden by a self serving few to steal from wider society under false pretenses.
all spot on, as are most of the comments, but i’d just like to add, we’re still in the middle of a dialectic, exactly as they planned.
the new world order is not the anglo-zionist complex we have atm, it’s the solution they will offer when we demand it torn down. if you don’t think chinese, russian and most other world leaders are in on the plan then there is more thinking to be done. the ones that aren’t in the club get isolated and/ or killed.
they always have two sides, they always own both sides, they’re clever as hell and they always play the same game, but on a bigger and bigger scale each time.
just warning you so that, after their manipulated ww3 begins (see pike,) they may well play the alien invader (all countries unite and be friends again to defeat the enemy,) or alien returning saviour (to defeat the zionists/ nwo/ eastern bloc and free us from slavery, telling us our true history with the aid of project bluebeam (see sitchin, and then see sitchin freemason.)
and you know they will be playing both sides again, no matter which way they unfold it to deceive us into permanent slavery for all our future children. trust no one unless they see and speak with their heart like you do, and resonate fully. zombies and liars are useless right now. power & love & freedom.