Dear friends,
I am posting a video sent to me by a friend. Sadly, I don’t know anything about the two gentlemen talking, but I can say that everything they say does fully match with my own understanding of these events.
I can’t endorse everything these two gentlemen say, and I sure disagree with their early 20th century views of Socialism (or, by implication what they apparently believe in the freedom-fostering Capitalism). Likewise, their views about Trump are naive to the extreme at best, as is their use of categories as “Left” vs “Right” which in the USA are totally meaningless categories: there only a tiny real Right in the USA, and an even smaller real Left. This is not about Left vs Right, but about sovereignty of the people or living under a class dictatorship. But don’t let these frankly minor silly mistakes distract you from the interesting issues extremely well analyzed in that discussion (even if you don’t agree). I am not posting this as an endorsement, but as a basis for a hopefully interesting discussion.
The one thing I know nothing about is the “Pilgrims” they mention on the US side.
I would be most grateful if you could share with me any knowledge you might have about these “Pilgrims”.
Kind regards
The Saker
PS: and they clearly don’t realize that Dostoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor was not about some Leftists or Commies, but about the Papacy!
There is a few interesting links on their homepage under the vid.
https://aim4truth.org/2019/10/01/ancient-oligarch-families-keep-humanity-steeped-in-ritual-sin-and-murder/
Mkibben is seriously hard on socialism…why I wonder?
a man of his ability is surely nuanced enough understand what has gone on with the so-called communist experiments and why they failed..and that socialism itself comes out of the experience of the people in opposition to, and a response to their exploitation…forms of collective social organization geared to meet all need out of the existing economic base of the nation..current, and as it is expanded driven by popular control
the ordinary people can create such forms of social organization that meet collective need spontaneously if and when they move finally to deal with capitalism.
Thank you Saker for introducing this discussion. I could say much but for the moment all I will say is that in one crucial matter Karl Marx and Margaret Thatcher are in agreement. That being Socialism is/was a spiritual force.
Thatcher was quoted as saying that “Socialism has lost its spiritual force.” So she at least recognized that it had one. I had always wanted to ask her that if she identified socialism as holding within itself a “spiritual force” by what possible right or authority could she presume to oppose it? I am sure the Chinese would find that question of meaning.
Marx is on record as saying that the most central and important feature of socialism is – I quote his exact words “its spiritual force.” So there you have it, an admission from both left and right that socialism has or at least had an inner spiritual force. The big problem I find with discussions of the sort you have shown us, in this particular case, is that they show no capacity for coming to grips with this dimension of the issue.
The difficulty facing contemporary generations is that socialism’s spiritual force went into world wide subsidence in the 1989 to 1993 period. From that time onwards it is particularly difficult for people to get a sense of the inner fabric of socialism as the spiritual content can no longer be felt. It does not flood souls with meaning in the manner it had been doing for previous generations. This results in people such as the men on this video coming up with all sorts of explanations for the origins of Marxism and socialism that make no reference to its living internal dimension. They just can’t feel it so they come up with all sorts of head bound pseudo intellectual explanations that do not impress me at all.
I could be sarcastic and say that these guys attempts to understand the subject do not rise to the level of being worthy of criticism. However I won’t say that. But I can’t resist noting that in America they had an iconic TV show called “Lost.” That show had to be made for modern Americans. “lost in Space” perhaps.
Just because some dude gave Lenin a few bucks it in no way explains the existence or trajectory of Socialism. Merely that he got a few bucks. Look at China for example; Rolling along with a clear understanding that the best way to explain Mao is to go to its poetry of the heart. See the works of Ramin Mazaheri regarding the Cultural Revolution for example.
How can Marx’s materialistic doctrine that denies the existence of a spiritual world have any “spiritual force”?
Fair and most intelligently relevant question. However it is based upon a widespread misinterpretation of Marx’s world outlook. That misinterpretation was promulgated accidentally by Frederick Engels who was not a competently trained philosopher. A well researched answer to your question can be found in the book The Tragic Deception: Marx Contra Engels by Norman Levine. Marx’s emphasis upon the material was more a compensatory movement in search of a holistic balance. The tragedy was his compensatory emphasis was mistaken for the totality of his world outlook. Marx was working before the term “holism” was available. A close reading of what Marx really meant by his “new materialism” conforms perfectly with what we now call holism. It is very instructive that Marx went through all of the known systems of materialism in his day and effectively critiqued and rejected them all before he went ahead to define his own system. However he did not get around to elaborating it in any great philosophical detail that made it clear how it differentiated itself from the prevailing “materialisms” popularly understood. It is very telling indeed that the materialism Marx is commonly assumed to advocate is one that he clearly rejected in his own writings on materialism.
Your question is most to the point and appreciated. You speak from the depths of a long standing cultural misinterpretation that has been handed down from generation to generation. The great abundance of academic work on Marxism now available makes it quite plain, and provable, that Marx was not a materialist at all in any commonly understood philosophical sense. More he was a Christian humanist exploring his way to a grounded holistic world outlook. This is why the Chinese have no problem with it. When this is all laid out and understood it opens the path to a coherent integration of Marxist Socialism and Christian spirituality.
To cut to the chase, Marx did not fall into the trap of making a metaphysics of his materialism. That would be so bourgeois and “undialectical” The moment you posit materialism you dialectically open the door to its natural opposite. That is the dialectics Marx retained from Hegel. Engels however could not master that balance. So the moment you posit dialectical materialism you prove that you are not dialectical in the Hegelian philosophical sense. You are a metaphysical materialist. That was how Engels presented Marx to the world in the late 19th century because he did not have the education to avoid the subtle philosophical trap that Marx did avoid. And Marx’s serious illness and his disinclination to critique his friend Engels foreclosed the opportunity for a correction from him. Consequently for all of the 20th century world Socialism has been stuck in this philosophical error, resulting in exposing itself to an abundance of legitimate criticism for its seeming denial of spirituality. However that is not Marx, as can now be proved beyond doubt. I love Marx as being earth centered spirituality. Just what this world now needs so desperately. How much sense does this make to you?
Snow Leopard, I agree with you about Marx’s materialism being a spiritual force. Marx is a product of his age: the German Romantic Revolution, and the German Social Revolution of 1848. Marx’s contemporaries in revolutionary exile were Heine the Romanic poet and Wagner the Romantic composer. And behind them all, the towering figure of Goethe, both poet and scientist, with his “sachlich” doctrine of Pantheism: Matter is Spirit, and Spirit is Matter.
“In the beginning was the Deed”. — Faust, Part 1.
Very Wise Dr. The German Romantic enlightenment, which you are obviously aware of, has not translated at all adequately into the Anglo-French enlightenment. Hence those who are schooled in the Anglo interpretation of the enlightenment disqualify themselves from understanding the German enlightenment. It is good that you mention Geothe. This is the clue in to the Hermetic internal content of the German romantics that we find carried forward in the psychology of Carl Jung. What it really boils down to, in my reading, is that you can’t understand Marx and where he was coming from until you take the trouble to interpret him from the point of view of Carl Jung. Both Marx and Jung have their roots in the German enlightenment. One is the key to the understanding of the other. Both take spirituality to much greater depths then people have a chance to measure if schooled merely in patriarchal orthodoxy. Engels and the western Marxists do not measure up.
German Romantic Revolution as well as the Aufklärung were sub-products of the Masonic Revolution (the ‘mother’ of all ‘social’ revolutions) initiated in and directed from England. Lessing, Goethe, Schiller, Fichte, were notorious FM. Wagner was heavily influenced by Masonic lore also. False ‘spirituality’.
The ‘Communist League’ was formed in England. A central role was played by Friedrich Engels, the fox-hunting bourgeois rentier hobnobbing with aristocracy, playing the social reformer.
Former British prime minister Harold Wilson (1964-70; 1974-6) once said, quite accurately, that socialism in Britain owed more to methodism than to Marx.”
Harold Wilson was not far from the mark. The ‘theory of ‘scientific socialism’ as it was taught in the ‘socialist countries’ on their way to full blown Communism (way which, thanks God, was blocked) asserted that one of its ‘pillars’ was, besides the Hegelian dialectics (turned upside down, as it were) and the economic theories of Adam Smith and David Ricardo, the experiments in ‘socialistic communities’ of Robert Owen in America and Scotland. Owen was influenced by methodists.
A little known fact is that (attention!) the Grand Duke Nicholas, the future Tsar Nicholas I of Russia visited him at New Lanark, and offered to take two million of the ‘surplus population’ of England and establish a Russian New Lanark! Go figure!
‘There was madness in his Methodism’.
Because for them God is the Community and that is why people have to love each others.
The confusion between God and the Community is very old, it appears first with Josias and Jeremiah. It is also in the Utopia of Thomas More. It is the center of the Masonic belief. During the 18th century it became a consensus within the christians and the Jews if you listen to the Hassidics people. Loving its neighbourg is a must.
Capitalism is the manifestation of Thanatos, the death instinct in human affairs. It mimics cancer in its insatiability and drive to infinite expansion, now manifest in the ecological Holocaust, correctly now described as, not the sixth mass extinction, but the first mass extermination event in planetary history, the capitalists, formerly merely genocidists, now becoming omnicidists, an inevitable development. Under capitalism nothing is worth anything but its monetary value, and humans must exist in a perpetual state of war with one another, the enemy. The greedy individual is king. That misanthropy and xenophobia is the true essence of capitalism. ‘Every man for himself and the Devil Market take the hindmost 99%’.
Socialism, in absolute contrast, values all people and all Life and sees others as comrades, colleagues or fellow humans. Rather than ruthless competition, co-operation and mutual support rules, and Life on Earth and future generations are valued for themselves, not just as commodities or assets. It is the Eros, the Life Instinct, in contrast to Thanatos, in action.
We are slipping into psycho (analitic) mumbo-jumbo.
Entrepreneurs developing ideas, trade roads, manufacturing are really needed. They enhance life around them and without them we would still live in the bush and our number would below the billion. Their ability to develop
projects, to gather people around them and to raise enthusiams is beneficial for everybody. These men are a benediction for the Community. But it is true that most of these projects have to be financed and that is where intervenes the banker. As long as the Banker is a facilitator of the business, he is very usefull. But when in order to increase his business, he starts making loans to people, institutions, state, obviously unable to pay back the loan, then he becomes a malefactor pushing all those who have borrowed money into servitude. I agree this one has to be pointed out as a ennemy of the society. If it is to this man that you are thinking when talking about “Capitalist” then I agree but he must not be mixed with the “Entrepreneur” who should be seen as a hero.
I had never heard of the Pilgrims Society.
A Googld search returned quite a few hits, including one at Wikispooks.
Here is a site that looks pretty detailed.
https://isgp-studies.com/pilgrims-society-us-uk
I don’t know what to make of this—haven’t read it yet.
Is this some kind of a forerunner of Bilderberg?
Or Davos?
Katheirne
The main thrust of the info at the site linked seems to be that the Pilgrim Society members’ main program was to enlist the media—journalists— as an international spy network.
Journalists were well placed to get into to locations of interest; their job was to find out stuff from people; and then their outlets provided platforms from which the Pilgrim bigshots could control all the messages reaching the public.
It seems like a reasonable scenario.
It might be true.
Katherine
Comment 22 over at Moon of Alabama regarding the new shocking news spread around the MSM of a new Russian killer intel unit:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/top-secret-russian-unit-that-destabilizes-europe-is-a-well-known-small-arms-training-base.html#comments
“Excellent, insightful work. It begs another question that someone brought up above. **Who coordinates these fabrications?** Is it an II type-cutout pushing talking points out to its stenographers? Or is it more hands-on, meaning a media cutout operation that literally assigns stories to individual “reporters”?
The II information op makes it seem like the editorial process of “playing the great Wurlitzer” is diffuse, farmed out to multiple, overlapping cutouts. But what branch of the War Department coordinates it all? ”
Yeah, who does coordinate these fabrications?
Could it be—gasp!!!–the Pilgrim Society’s infernal network of controlled media and journalists????
Katherine
Il est pour le moins très surprenant que le Sieur du Faucon “ne sache rien” au sujet de cette société. Après tout ce que lui-même et nombre d’autres ont étalé sur le Réseau à l’endroit de tant de membres de ce beau monde,…
Google translation,MOD-It is, to say the least, very surprising that the Sieur du Faucon “does not know anything” about this company. After all that he and many others have spread over the Network for so many members of this beautiful world, …
le Sieur en question n’a jamais entendu parler de cette société, surprenant ou pas.
en fait, il y a beaucoup de chose que le Sieur Faucon ne sais pas.
Et il envie les chanceux qui savent tout :-)
a+
is there a spiritual force in socialism…what is the spiritual force of socialism..can it be described…it must fit words..or words to fit, to describe its essence?
to me its simple thing: the western world extruded the most complete systems of exploitation of man by man. the worker owner relationship is the basis of capitalism. it is an evil relationship out of which grows and evolves all the social evil we live. Capitalism is anti life, has evolved a whole anti-life style of living that has been inserted between humanity and nature. capitalism shuts of access to nature by humanity with religions to suit..gods totally abstract established as real in the face of nature-god, that gave rise to us. we have almost broken our connection to nature, we spit on nature living out of sync with nature, treating nature as plunder. we now even plunder the human body as a profit making resource
we live by morality, ethics derived from our fiction gods and religious systems drawn up by men..yet ethics/morality can be derived from nature itself, that are honest, true, evolutionary, and more effective than the abstractions from the religions, which serve the purpose of elites better than that of ordinary, exploited people. the religions are control mechanisms that target ordinary people
socialism is like nature itself, socialism sweeps away the deleterious abstractions and restores human connection to nature. socialism does not do away with god as such…just the nonsense gods we have been led to believe in, gods created facile for exploitation, not to meet any real human spiritual needs.
according to Wallace Thornhill and the Electric Universe branch of the science of Cosmology, there are no universal laws..a sort of oxymoron for if there are such laws there can be no evolution..yet evolution is what we see and understand to a great extent, Nature has long term habitual behavior, is evolutionary so nothing is written in stone…lasts forever
if that is true then life is deeply creative, humanity is creative of existence itself as we go. we make our life, out of existence and we do not know, are not aware of it. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction..applied physics. by our own behavior, choices etc we can determine what the reactions will be..we can actually build the world we want by nature..nature as god. if we behave like the empire we create what we have created so far, the horror we live. the departure represented by the Russian/Chinese tandem to eschew empire building for a multi-polar world is the way to go, a start towards creating a humanized world
socialism contains that purpose for humanity..a return to nature, the freedom to do so as complete natural focus and way of life. by defeat of capitalism we win human freedom totally to live as we have proved to be right..in sync with nature. and the only way to proceed with the purpose of life with the ordinary collective dominant in life is by socialism – and life cannot go on much further except humanity achieves socialism. real democratic social organization, by the people for the people, democracy as a response to the truth of life as revealed by, and during the life experience of exploitative society… by monarchy, by capitalism.
socialism won and effected by ordinary humanity frees up humanity. finally won we understand what we have achieved..an opportunity to go forward to our destiny whatever it is, now unencumbered by predatory classes of people why by the experience to come will be forever changed, weeded out because they would they would be redundant in nature
therein for me is an idea of what is spiritual in socialism. socialism is not a fictitious thing, a creation out of the heads of thinkers. it is an actual factual possibility, potential of human social organization, totally in sync with human needs in nature..real democracy at our advanced material level, a realization made clear by actual human experience and the need to solve social exploitation, on pain of the extinction of the human species. the possibility of human extinction is a potential ensconced in exploitative society that becomes more and more certain of actualization as systems of exploitation meet their ends, in hostile conjunction with what is to replace them
no extinction potential/possibility exists in socialist organization of society..from the administrative organization of socialism itself, as it does in capitalism for example..an extinction potential we face as we speak.
once socialism wins and all needs are met..which would be the focus of socialist society, hostile conflicts of a bitter and ultimate nature among nations and peoples end. there would be nothing to fight bitterly over anymore as the focus becomes what it must to ensure human survival.focus on the question and the development of the answer to it: how does humanity survive indefinitely in an evolutionary universe. that’s is the grand, massive, all consuming purpose of humanity…survival.
and exploitative society, currently capitalism, stands four-square in the path of that essential human purpose, frustrating all human efforts at earning security in nature by focus on and answering the question of how does humanity survive indefinitely in nature. that is a massive question indeed all, the major human purpose in existence. capitalism instead focuses on the accumulation of all wealth by small minorities regardless of the injury that purpose inflicts on the overall chances of human survival in nature which proves, relative to this discussion that the rich are quite insane..useless in the pursuit of human security in existence
exploitative society, capitalism locks down society. socialism opens up society, makes work and routine security for everyone in the project of general human survival. that and all I have attributed to socialism as far as I know is also spiritual
Nicely said Ben; All I wish to add in support, is that your point of view has solid archetypal spiritual reality. It is readily identifiable in Jungian psychological terms. The best way to simply explain it is to say that in the year 1800 the feminine aspect of the divine began to re-emerge from the European unconscious and slowly re-penetrate into the collective consciousness. The French were early to pick up on it and that gave us lady liberty in the French revolution. Karl Marx carried it all to greater heights – Socialism being archetypally identifiable as an expression of the divine feminine and its intrinsic unity with nature. Socialist spirituality is intrinsically feminine.
The problem being is that patriarchal Christianity does not have eyes to see the divine feminine. They are exclusively white and she is red. Traditionally patriarchy has been schooled to hate and fear the divine feminine. The sky gods oppose the divinity of the earth, as taught by the Vatican. It was only in 1970 that the emergence of the divine feminine became consciously known here in the West. Until then she was pushing up from the unconscious. This is what drove the conflict we know as the cold war. Carl Jung was quite clear about this.
So all Christians who are products of the patriarchal tradition are obliged to open their eyes to the entry of the goddess to the front door of the Church. Inability to do this is the psychological root of the fear of Socialism. You know what the Episcopelians tried to say; “Kill a commie for Christ!” Carl Jung called this an argument within the family. The divine family that is.
excellent commentary Snow Leopard: You extended my comment excellently, rendering the issue more informative
Nature is indeed the great mother, feminine from earliest cultural formation. you are to my mind precise when you describe its appearance in Europe as re-emergent, given we all came from the same place and course so the Great mother would be part of all subconscious content and may emerge into consciousness everywhere
I give credit to African scholars who did yeoman’s work resurrecting ancient human history in which the origins of the Great mother in human culture were first noted. going all the way back is now widespread in historical acceptance,making it easier for the re-emergence of nature as first..our mother
I am not facile in Jungian psychology but what you describe as his contribution seems erudite, accurate and very useful. the Great mother is on her way again to ring the bell on the fake fathers in the sky and ‘their children’ on Earth. their time is nigh
Socialism is indeed life itself, the spirit of..the way we have come to learn and know life must be lived: Focused on human survival in the most complete application of the stage of the day, of any day, to that project, consuming the stage, clearing the deck in the process of developing its next advance in taking humanity forward..organized by popular social control, working out the ways our essential survival focus must be carried out.
it is by the people for the people..no parasitic sectarian reactionary factors that contain the counter to the peoples interest to be included..no Political parties..no capitalists
thank you for your expansion of what I tried to say
“even the British monarchy are getting played?”
Maybe after seeing what happened to the Russian Royal family they fear for their own?
Wow, and so if anyone wants to know why Crop Circles have surfaced in that Island Nation more than anywhere else you can rest assured God Almighty is aware of some things and/or has seen enough!!!!!!!
I know when I first saw and learned about these glorious signs I knew England was behind some very dangerous work! Now I have more pieces to the growing puzzle to think about and analyze myself. Actually I fear a new king is about to arise the one Christ spoke about in the Abomination that causes Desolation in Jerusalem! and look and understand something here about the British do they not have and always have had an inordinate interest in all things King Solomon and his temple?
https://dr-david-harrison.com/freemasonry/lodge-meeting-in-solomons-quarries-jerusalem/
the crusades,??? its just everything isn’t it?????????????? Britain, Britain, Britain ????
Wow, all the strange and inexplicable weather over there but for me it is those words from that crop circle with the computer disk that is and should be especially important for all:
“Beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises.
Much pain but still time.
There is good out there.
We oppose deception.
Conduit closing.”
Wow, if this isn’t biblical in its scope really fulfilling what Christ said:
“there will be great signs from heaven!!!!”
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/articles/01102015/01102015.html
This is astounding and miraculous and for God to poke fun is good, an alien face lol, because for me the words
“much pain but still time” means only one thing really judgment is fast approaching and time is precious!!!!!!
And lastly what about those trumpet sounds going off quite strangely in the atmosphere the world over?????
What is that all about?
https://youtu.be/-dIG3sWhyuc
Well, the Book of Revelations speaks about trumpet blasts does it not and then there is the history of the Shofar which was blown for a number of different reasons but mostly a call for repentance to prevent some judgment upon the nation?
Catherine Austin Fitts knows a lot about the pilgrim’s Society.A couple of very good books by J Macgregor and Gerry Docherty, Hidden History The secret Origins of the First World War and Prolonging the Agony. Tells how Anglo-American elite formed, started WWI and kept it going for 3 years. they wanted to pulverize Germany, have a Revolution in Russia, and break up the Ottoman empire for the oil in Iraq and Palestinian mandate. Well worth the reading.
Although Wikipedia is not always a reliable source, it is useful for getting the initial informations:
“The Pilgrims Society, founded on 16 July 1902 by Sir Harry Brittain, is a British-American society established, in the words of American diplomat Joseph Choate, ‘to promote good-will, good-fellowship, and everlasting peace between the United States and Great Britain'”…
The Society is notable for holding dinners to welcome into office each successive U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom. The patron of the society is Queen Elizabeth II…
The first informal meeting of the Pilgrims of Great Britain included General Joseph Wheeler, Colonel (later General Sir) Bryan Mahon, the Hon Charles Rolls and Harry Brittain.
The first meeting of the Pilgrims of the United States was at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York on 13 January 1903.
The Pilgrims of Great Britain and the Pilgrims of the United States have reciprocal membership…
Over the years it has boasted an elite membership of politicians, diplomats, businessmen, and writers who have included Henry Kissinger, Margaret Thatcher, Caspar Weinberger, Douglas Fairbanks Jr., Henry Luce, Lord Carrington, Alexander Haig, Paul Volcker, Thomas Kean, George Shultz, and Walter Cronkite among many others. Members of the immediate Royal Family, United States secretaries of state and United States ambassadors to the Court of St. James’s are customarily admitted to membership in the Society…”
From its own website (https://www.pilgrimsociety.org/history.php):
Their Mission Statement:
“Founded in 1903, The Pilgrims of the United States, an association of men and women, in alliance with the Pilgrims of Great Britain, seeks to foster fellowship between Americans, the British and other English-speaking peoples. In addressing current national and international issues, it emphasizes enduring historic, cultural, economic and social bonds.
History:
“On 16 July 1902 an informal meeting took place at the Carlton Hotel in London, at which the decision was taken to establish The Pilgrims of Great Britain. Those present included General Joseph Wheeler, the famous cavalry leader of the Confederate Army during the American Civil War; Colonel (later General Sir) Bryan Mahon, who had commanded the troops relieving Mafeking in 1900; the Hon Charles Rolls of Rolls-Royce fame and a notable aviation pioneer, and Harry, later Sir Harry, Brittain. The title of the Pilgrims, not to be confused with the Pilgrim Trust, had nothing whatever to do with the Mayflower and the Pilgrim Fathers of 1620, but was chosen as a short and concise name which would express the idea of members of the English-speaking world travelling from one country to another. The main objective of the Pilgrims was, as it still remains, the encouragement of Anglo-American good fellowship…
Over the years the roll-call of distinguished guest speakers at Pilgrims’ events has been most impressive – Lord Curzon, Mark Twain, Admiral Peary, the Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII), Stanley Baldwin, Ramsey Macdonald, George Marshall, Dean Acheson, Anthony Eden, Archbishop Fisher, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, Henry Kissinger, Caspar Weinberger, HRH The Princess Royal and General Lord Dannatt – to name but a few.
Some more details@https://isgp-studies.com/pilgrims-society-us-uk#history
Encouraged by the remark that a discussion is desired, I started listening this video and heard:
„Bolshevism was created in New York City.“
Together with the title “Who controls the Queen? Shocking New History!” and the experience of some (arbitrarily chosen) seconds of this video, I immediately decided that this video is of no interest (for me).
Sorry, but I cannot take seriously people who still believe that nearly the whole universe was created somewhere in the USA – by a small group of English speaking persons. (By the way, why not in Tanzania by Swahili speaking bankers? Probably, Gabriel and McKibben even do not know that there is a language called Swahili and where it is spoken.) This small group has probably some kind of supercomputers which enable them to control nearly all what happens in the universe. Just as the animals created by (French speaking) René Descartes who thought that his animals are guided by a supercomputer (he called it “instinct”) who have a clear picture of all what they (the animals of Descartes) will meet during their life.
PS: Yes, yes, I know that the Iranian revolution was probably not planned in the USA, but in Isreal.
I listened to the entire video and agree with Saker that it is worth our while considering at least elements of it ………including your while.
Of course, you can lead a horse to water….but hardly make it drink…..if it doesn’t smell exactly what it has in mind of what water should smell like….to them….many a thirsty horse still won’t drink!
Hence the saying.LOL.
But as an alternative all I get from your comment is cynicism…..hardly a better or even comparably valuable alternative. Constructive criticism which you might use to work on that portion or your world citizenship….a wee bit, mind you.
As Americans who evidently have considerable government service (NSA) and/or academic/historical interest why wouldn’t they point to the well known fact of Wall Street backing for Lenin?? Their point obviously is that these are the Eastern Liberal Establish Tory Anglophile bankers…getting with the program originating from across the Atlantic…….or further back in time to the Venetians….who ideologically and politically invaded Enland and Holland when a swamp in the Adriatic just wouldn’t do any longer….for world banking and naval control………….post the Great Oceanic Voyages of Discovery……and you object???
Their duty,as they see it, is probably to take the ideological and parochial blinders off of dumb yankees who don’t know the half of how this country’s dumb brawn... is coveted as muscle by foreign brains ….leading from the Round Table to the CFR……. with knighthoods to be bestowed on fawning American idiots and traitors … ambitious for Royal Favor…….all the while imagining themselves to be “exceptionally Patriotic” while literally (in Barack’s case….) hosting the Queen’s men…and pledging himself….President of the United States at the time, mind you ……………as “Your Majesty’s Loyal Servants”.
Look it up. It’s on you tube.
Enough to make one puke with embarrassment!
Other interests (German…anyone??? to relieve the eastern front…by.financing the “Peace, Bread, Land” Bolshevik program were also involved…for their own short and longer term reasons….) but greater complexity and pervasive incompleteness of ANY point of view expressed in an article or talk of only one hour’s duration ….must necessarily leave out far, far more than it includes…that could be included…both known and unknown.
But as Americans primarily addressing an audience of other Americans, their angle of presentation is not at all unreasonable, whereas their meeting your particular expectations ought to be accepted graciously from the outset….as no offense to you, unless they are obscuring greater insights than those that you have offered.
But you have offered very very little ….in comparison…that much more can be done with…except to use it as an example….of what isn’t very productive
Nothing wrong with some Rip Van Winkle’s around these parts finally waking up and smelling the Conspiracy Coffee…. regarding Perfidious Albion.
One of the risks of the Cabal deploying the Steele Dossier, mind you.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article195642.html
And here you have Thierry explain how Obama works as an agent for the UK which by the way still basically owns the US.
Well, someone did choose and groom Obama.
And fund him.
And knock out the competition for the keynote speech spot at the 2004 Dem National Convention in Boston.
That is for sure.
It was claer to me from reading Power in Words: The Stories Behind Obama’s Speeches.
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Words-Stories-behind-Speeches/dp/0807001694
There is a lot here.
There is no avoiding the inference that someone paid for and pushed Obama from behind.
I always assumed it was the Chicago Democratic machine.
but life is probably more complicated than that.
I also find credible the “theories” that Obama was a CIA brat/asset in wating from the get-go.
That his mother was already CIA. And his stepfather.
Katherine
You can CIA the ‘Bummer all you want, but that would belie his true handlers, MI6. Chicago was and still is a Brittish Mercantile Centre. All Russiphobia roads lead to the City of London.
Read it and you will learn something about Pilgrims.
In fact if you havent read voltairenet with regard to the group known as The Pilgrims you are uninformed.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article200375.html
And herein you can see what the Pilgrims are actually doing with respect to Brexit and how it can be understood that Australia is going to be consumed back into a wholly subservient relationship with the Pilgrims and become a Union State with the UK and therefore a nuclear power.
It is the Pilgrims versus the Puritans.
That should be enough to spark up a decent discussion.!
Occult! Ask and thou shall receive.
Interesting – thank you for bringing it. It does contain a lot of information, and for me while it needs a need a second viewing. I would add though that it does get tiring, as a Cymraeg person, hearing “Britain” accused of such crimes, when it was all the English [Saxon] Ruling class. You will not find one Cymraeg person and very few Gaels [Scotland and Ireland] who were involved.
Also, I dispute the claim that only the English Monarchy has survived. This is not true – Spain, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, all have surviving Monarchies.
It does help to explain why the same policies have been carried on down the years. Monarchs, Governments, Prime Ministers come and go. But the over-riding aim for Hegemony and the destruction of Russia remains – so something, some system must exist which carries it forward. The only thing we have experience of down the ages, which survives like this is religions. Which begs the question, “which religion, kept a dark secret, is in play now, and ruling / ruining the current world”.
The English monarchy is the only one that has survived from the monarchies at war. Only the Russian one was punished for ‘starting the war’. The real instigators of the war come out personally unscathed.
This was quite revealing. I had not heard of the pilgrim society before but most other names are not new to me. There are some excellent documentaries at corbettreport.com which lay this information out. I know people that are adamant that every evil under the sun is caused by the Jews. They, or perhaps more accurately the Zionists have a part but it appears they may also be a distraction away from the center of the grand conspiracy. It is the British elite and their involvement in politics and money. They have their hooks into most countries on earth through their banking system and are controlling bare minimum the U.S. foreign policy.
Perhaps understanding this, it is possible to garner a little sympathy for Donald Trump. He may not even know what he is up against. And given what appears to be his amoral nature it won’t likely end well.
We have a national election coming up this month in Canada. A new party has been formed, having broken from the so-called Conservatives. They are the only ones who are talking about the international banking system as a form of enslavement. They are fully aware it seems of the conspiracy which is man-made climate change and the need for ‘climate action’. And they are also well aware and public about U.N. agenda 21 and 2030. They have little chance of winning. A large segement of the younger voting public will vote for Trudeau because he wears cool socks. A large part of the older set seem mostly clueless regarding the more hidden agenda at play. And let’s face it, everyone likes their perks and if someone says we can’t afford this and we have to balance our budget and cut our debt they will just go and vote for the other guy even if it means becoming a surf in the end.
When I hear mentions of Christianity and how some of these men were attenders of the church I immediately think of the words of St. Paul:
Acts 20:28-31
“Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
EVEN FROM YOUR OWN NUMBER MEN WILL ARISE AND DISTORT THE TRUTH IN ORDER TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM.
So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.”
That of course is Satan’s work take the good while discarding the hard and difficult issues of God’s word.
It should be noted to that the mention of this Col. Edward House is extremely important. More should be taught concerning this man and one quote I came across is hugely significant:
In his novel called PHILIP DRU: ADMINISTRATOR: A STORY OF TOMORROW 1920-1935 this is what he writes:
“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two would figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner; every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”
Some other quotes that are very interesting :
Karl Marx:
Money plays the largest part in determining the course of history.
Amschel Rothschild:
Give me control over a nations economy and I care not who writes its laws.
Chancellor Reginald McKenna:
They who control the credit of a nation direct the policy of the governments and hold in the hoillow of their hand the destiny of the people.
John F. Hylan mayor of New York March 22, 1922
The real menace of our republic is the invisible government which, like a giant\ octopus, sprawls its slimy length over our city, state, and nation. At the head is a small group of international banking houses, generally referred o as “international bankers.”
Louis McFadden:
Louis McFadden:
We know from assertions made here by the honorable John Garner, Vice President of Unites States, Paul Warburg did come here from Hamburg, Germany, for one purpose – to take over the treasury of the United States as the international bankers have done with the treasuries of Europe.
It controls everything here, and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will.
James P. Walburg
We shall have world government whether or not we like it. The only question is, whether world government will be achieved by conquest or consent.
Dr. Quigley regarding international bankers:
They remained different from ordinary bankers in distinctive ways: {1} they were cosmopolitan and international; {2} they were close to governments and were particularly concerned with questions of government debts; {3} their interests were almost exclusively in bonds and very rarely in goods; {4} they were, accordingly fanatical devotees of inflation; {5} they were almost equally devoted to secrecy and the secret use of financial influence in political life. These bankers came to be called the international bankers.
Benjamin Disreali July 4, 1856:
The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.
Curtis B Dall:
They are driving toward complete control of the worlds long-range monetary policy and principal world markets for their own profit. They foment foreign wars to aid this objective.
Thomas Edison 1847 on bonds:
If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. the element that makes the bond good, makes the bill good also. the difference between the bond and dollar bill is that the bond lets the money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond.
When the government in his day wanted to borrow $30 million to develop the Mucle shoals Project, Edison said,
It is stupid to borrow $30 million, and have to pay moneylenders $66 million for the use of the money. Edison was convinced that global socialism would be brought about by the creation of debt and interest perpetuated on the nations by the international moneylenders.
1863 Lincoln:
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and cause me to tremble for the safety of my country;…money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign…until wealth is aggregated into few hands … and the republic is destroyed.
King Alfred the Great 901:
If any man is found taking usury, his lands will be confiscated, and he will be banished from England.
King John 1215 and king James 1566:
If a man is found taking usury, his lands will be confiscated. It is like taking a mans life, and it must not be tolerated.
and so we come to the great traitor of the British Oliver Cromwell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I decided to listen to this because of your request concerning *Pilgrims*.
So. With an open mind and, not ‘checking out’ first who these 2-guys are, I listened.
My 1st impression was, boy-oh-boy, these to so-called older & knowledgeable as well-educated men only have a basic/primitive knowledge of who and what are really ‘calling the shots’.
Actually, quite amateurish; i.e. ‘globalists’, ‘banksters’ and all of the ‘isms they floated around.
So, I looked at the utube page and recognized immediately * American Intelligence Media* and the name Douglas Gabriel.
I came across him about 2-3 yrs ago.
If I’m polite, I’ll just say that he & his wife are dis-info agents & con-artists.
I’ll leave it at that.
I’ve heard about the *Pilgrim Society* only 2 times earlier.
One was I believe in an interview done with the great Dr Anthony Sutton.
The 2nd time I’m a little sketchy with who exactly.
However, I do know the group is extremely secretive and virtually no inside-information is available outside of what the group officially allows to be disclosed.
As for the Pilgrims, which first draw my attention to your request-Saker, I do know a little bit more than the average person.
When I was in Leiden in Holland about 40 yrs ago, I had done some research there at the town’s beautiful & magnificent library concerning the original Pilgrims.
But, that’s another story.
Oh, btw.
These 2-guys pointing out Oliver Cromwell(1688) as the possible boogieman was laughable.
Not the slightest mention of who bankrolled his escapades.
Sorry.
I believe people like Joe Atwill with his knowledge of the *Quattro Coronati* and even Michael Tsarion’s knowledge of the *Black Ventians* would expose Gabriel & McKibben as amateurs speaking at best ½-truths.
Hope this was of somekind of help.
Regards X- in Sweden
*Only the Truth. Veritas X- *
Hi, X,
what do you make of the info at the site linked above,
namely,
https://isgp-studies.com/pilgrims-society-us-uk
Another commenter linked the same or virtually the same site.
Katherine
Hhmmm. Katherine.
Let me just say, ‘I’m-on-it’.
I always try to be a gentleman regarding questions & such.
Your link is quite a mouth-fill.
It’ll take me a few days to, look at/digest.
I’m very busy with the ‘mundane everyday’.
Whereas, I will immediately acknowledge that You-Katherine have, used, in my mind an appreciative+++ amount of time to find this…’Dutchman’s’…Joël van der Reijdan’s “story*.
To my point.
*The Saker* asked for an intellectual and truthful exchange here in connection with this ‘article’.
So-be-it.
I’ll ‘get back to you’ in about 2-days.
As I see it, respect & acknowledgement is…earned.
I’m workin’ on it.
btw,
I’ve never had a fbook account. Used ‘twatter’ once only to address the FM/ex-PM Carl Bildt when Ed Snowden did his release. If I remember correctly 2013.
Otherwise, I’m a …non-performing social-media-type.
No-Need.
However, I’ve always been in the telephone-book.
Anyone, with any basic computer skills will see immediately who I am.
Bill Binney & I have the same philosophy regarding this subject.
So.
Time for the kitchen and, great stuff. 2½ hrs minimum.
:))) X-
*Only the Truth. Veritas X- *
ps.
Hhmmm.
Father, did his ‘work/theses’ at Johns Hopkins/Wharton School/N.Y.Univ.
As a WASP mind you, All.
pss, I’m in *Who’s Who in A..*. I/He was listed there in the ’60’s.
(disclosed for a certain Catherine i know about). Only.
But, I digress.
X,
the site linked is packed with information.
Lists of names and affiliations.
So, maybe a conspiracy theorist’s wet dream.
Or, maybe a good info source, even if the motivations behind the creation of the enormously long and detailed website are unclear.
Here is a Wikispooks page on Joel van der Reijden:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Jo%C3%ABl_van_der_Reijden
Seems legit from the spookish p.o.v.
I don’t know what the import is of Wikispoooks being willing to archive material.
I am a stranger to FB, twitt, etc.
So, not sure of the relevance of those bits of info.
I am just one who is now curious about this Pilgrim’s Society.
Katherine
Ok.
Now I have had a few minutes over to give a short reply.
Yes. I’ve seen this archived-page about 1-3 years ago.
I did ‘try to check out’ this Joel van der Reijdan then, as I have done now also.
It was his name that attracted my curiosity and, the ‘fancy name’/ *Institute for the Study of Globalization and Covert Politics* for his now defunct(?) website.
My 1st-impression then were *alarm bells*. As now too.
The following from Wikispooks tells me alot about this guy –
“The author of the site, Joël van der Reijden, estimated in January 2018 that he had spent around 20,000 hours on the site over the past 14 years.[2]”
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/ISGP
As well as utube –
” Joël van der Reijden 2 subscribers – This channel doesn’t have any content”
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUU2SiX8Yuh_pFVZ_RKM8yw
It appears to be the same guy found HERE:
https://wikispooks.com/w/images/0/06/Jr.jpeg
And,
Someone I most definitely know is 100% controlled opposition HERE:
https://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=107067.0
So.
Yepp. I see a very very expensive operation that some young-kid is attributed with, which under normal circumstances wouldn’t have the finances, nor un-limited amount of time to do this type of investigative journalism.
You remember the late Udo Ulfkotte right?
I say, it’s a *cut out*-operation.
Part of the *Mockingbird*-media.
As I said earlier, “.. and virtually no inside-information is available outside of what the group officially allows to be disclosed”.
I also thought about the late Tim Russert. And his ‘Skull & Bones’-question :
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Tim+Russert.+And+his+%27Skull+%26+Bones%27-question&t=ffcm&iax=videos&ia=videos
Strange perhaps but the *Pilgrim Article* is released 1 month after Tim’s untimely death.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tim+russert&t=ffab
Anyway. Nice article about the pilgrim society but, “it’s-straight-from-the horse’s-mouth’ imo.
Hope that helps.
Regards X-
*Only the Truth. Veritas X- *.
There is very little in the revelations of those two gentlemen that was not already known 100++ years ago. Including the care they take to divert attention from the ‘elephant in the room’.
BTW, Douglas Gabriel is a lapsed Jesuit ‘antroposophist’ (Steinerist) wallowing heavily in the sewers of the ‘Divine Feminine’, ‘Sophia Christos Initiation’, ‘Grail Queens’, the reverse side of the Pilgrim coin and the other source of ‘socialist revolutions’.
One should look more carefully into the origins of the ‘Sophianism’ of (the apostate from Orthodoxy) Vladimir Solovyov, of the converted to Orthodoxy Marxists Sergei Bulgakov and Nicolai Berdiaev, that many consider being the ‘very core’ of ‘Russian’ Orthodoxy along with ‘Sobornost’. Suffice to say that Vladimir Solovyov had the ‘encounters with Sophia’ when studying Kabbalah in the Reading Room of the British Museum (coincidentally at the same time with Marx) and then in Egypt (did he get in contact with Serapis Bey, the ‘Ascendent Master’ of the ‘Great White Brotherhood’ which is without much doubt the spring board of the Theo-‘Sophical’ Society founded in America by ‘the Priestess of Isis’ Helena Blavatsky, one of the biggest ‘spiritual’ swindlers of all times?; interestingly, his brother Vsevolod was an avowed enemy of Blavatsky, whom he accused of being a ‘failed’ spy of the Okhrana – she might have been indeed a spy, but for the Anglo-Americans, possibly a double agent).
Hi Folks,
Webster Tarpley wrote about this stuff decades ago in his book Against Oligarchy (see http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/). He traces the British banker cabal back to the Venetians during the reign of Henry VIII. He also discusses how the Venetian oligarchs unleashed the reformation as a way of destroying the League of Cambrai and saving itself. In England, the reformation was nothing more than a looting operation to mop up the church land and treasures accumulated over centuries. The English “christian” Taliban even looted the Marian shrine of Our Lady of Walsingham and that of St. Thomas à Becket at Canterbury Cathedral. These were acts of national vandalism and the grand theft of England’s greatest treasures.
The bankers were firmly in control of England after the “Glorious Revolution”, which was nothing more than a coup d’état. However, it is during the reign of Cromwell that England starts to emerge as a major naval power and we see the start of the corporations that would eventually take over the country and become the driving force for the empire. In 1655, Cromwell permitted the Jews to settle in England, having being expelled by Edward I in 1290. His motivation for this has always been unclear. Was it part of the payback for loans during the Civil War and is this how the New Model Army was funded? What is clear is that the corporate-banker cabal emerges publicly during the time of Cromwell and has been in control of England, including the monarchy, ever since.
Rgds,
Bradanfeasa
This is utterly ridiculous. Tarpley is occasionally insightful, but is, in general, a hack (just look at his predictions about Mitt Romney and the “mormon mafia” winning the 2012 election and his ridiculous defense of the Clintons in light of Trump). There was no direct connection between Venice and England (or the Reformation), it’s conjecture and overreading the pan-European connections of the era. Henry VIII wasn’t a “Taliban”, he was brutal, but the law about seizing church property viz. praemunire were well established from Medieval history (there were literally centuries of conflict between emperors/kings and popes). The fact that you have to skip to 1688 from the 1530s makes this narrative almost nonsensical.
Cromwell invited the Jews back because of puritan millenialism, evangelizing them in accordance with a kind of dispensational prophecy about the eschaton. Cromwell did empower the landed oligarchs, which continued into the reign of Charles II, but there’s no Jewish banker conspiracy here. It’s not until the post-1688 period that English Whig land-magnates begin to dabble into finance (forming the Bank of England in 1694), using their land as collateral without forming the Bank as a land-bank. Jewish banking conspiracies are ridiculous; the Baring Brothers preceded the Rothschilds.
Hi Cal,
I neither know nor care about Tarpley’s views on Mitt Romney or any contemporary politician or political events. However, his essays on the malign role of British oligarchs in European history is pretty accurate and insightful. If you have any doubts about how “taliban” Henry VIII was, have a look at the list of monasteries dissolved and looted by him and his cronies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monasteries_dissolved_by_Henry_VIII_of_England). Most are nothing more than a pile of ruins after being stripped bare of anything of value. Gold and silver where removed, stripped and melted down. Stain-glass windows, statues, paintings and the reliquaries of saints were desecrated and destroyed. The shrine of Thomas Becket, the object of the pilgrims from Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, was completely stripped and destroyed. Have a look at how it looks today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Becket#/media/File:Canterbury_-_Ehemaliger_Standort_des_Schreins_von_Thomas_Becket.jpg
I don’t have time to provide a history lesson on the topic, but there is a direct line of cause and effect between the split with Rome in 1532 and the coup d’état in 1688. By breaking with Rome, Henry VIII let the genie of protestantism out of the bottle and lost control of it. He divided his kingdom(s) and destabilised the monarchy. His Act of Supremacy in 1534, requiring the people to accept the religion of the king, is turned on its head in 1688 when the king is required to accept the religion of the people. For all his looting, Henry leaves only an empty treasury and religious upheaval to his successors. Elizabeth I presided over a murderous police state and also leaves an empty treasury. James I manages a little better, but Charles I has to go cap in hand to parliament looking for money. Unable to raise money through taxes, they resort to confiscations, looting and even piracy, before the oligarchs and bankers come in with their loans, Bank of England and fractional reserves…
Viewed through the lens of spirituality, in 1532 Henry broke with the taproot of Christianity and embraced the kingdom of this world (mammon) instead of the kingdom that is not of this world (Christ). Once he did that, it was never going to end well…
Rgds,
Bradanfeasa
His essays, like his political commentary, on broad historical trends are tendentious at best. Luther’s protest began with a Medici pope (Leo X). The papacy was in the Habsburg pocket during Henry’s “great matter”. Antwerp (which remained a part of Spain) was the global hub of capital, connected to the “very Catholic” king of Spain, Phillip II.
There’s a historical connection between the dissolution of the monasteries and the growth of a landed oligarchy, but it has nothing to do with a bogus story about Venetians. It has nothing to do with praemunire, and it has little to do with Thomas a Beckett. His story is hardly a martyrdom; he acted as a foreign tax-collector for a rival power. Henry was broke because he gave too much away to the oligarchs. Elizabeth was not running a police-state (it’s reasonable to be paranoid when multiple countries are trying to invade you or scheme to take your throne). James managed absolutely poorly, bankrupting England through his extravagant spending, which Charles struggled to deal with (though he compounded it through his failed bid for war with Spain during the 1620s to avenge his sister and brother-in-law).
The effects of the Reformation are neither wholly good or bad. But, if anything, it’s because Rome worshiped Mammon and had already incubated these problems. These goofy revisionist arguments (which are many times thinly veiled pro-Roman lachrymose histories) feed into these large, world-spanning, arguments that collapse upon further inspection. Additionally, while there was some destruction, if you look at inventory lists for ecclesiastical inspectors, much of the art from churches was preserved (if locked away from public viewing).
“Elizabeth I presided over a murderous police state and also leaves an empty treasury. ”
C’mon, give Elizabeth a break!!
As a woman monarch she had a hell of a challenge preserving her “kingdom.”
There were a whole bunch of CAaholic grandees inside and outside England who wanted to control her and her country and everyone in it.
I assume you have read just a little bit about the murderous factional politics of Elizabethan England.
Why should Elizabeth be reviled for doing her damned best to avoid languishinglifelong in theTower, or worse?
Back in the day they believed in the divine right of Kings, and she was the rightful heir to the throne.
The very fact that most of the vocab needed to discuss this subject (heir, kingdom, etc.) implies “male” shows how extraordinary Elizabeth was, and what it feat it was that she defended her realm while its economy and the arts flourished, and religious bloodshed was minimal. Unlike the situ in other realms of the time.
She was also brilliant in her intellectual accomplishments, and a great dancer, horsewoman, and huntress, and even musician, playing the lute and the virginal. Oh, yes, plus ahe could speak and read six languages: her native English, as well as French, Italian, Spanish, Greek, and Latin.
The inferior should show some respect to the superior.
Katherine
Hi Katherine,
Elizabeth did preside over a police state with a formidable spy network across her realm and in the more important (from her point of view) cities on the continent. When I refer to her regime as “murderous”, I am not alluding to the “murderous factional politics of Elizabethan England”, but to the genocidal campaign of mass murder and theft inflicted on Ireland. The Desmond (1569–1573 and 1579–1583) and Connacht Rebellions (1586), and the Nine Years’ War (1593 – 1602) left most of the country devastated. It has been estimated that up to a third of the population died from the wars and the inevitable famine and disease that followed. The contemporary accounts are harrowing and, by the end of her reign, the old Gaelic order was completely destroyed. Add to this the plantations of Laoise/Offaly and Munster, where the native population were forcibly removed from their lands (Elizabethan ethnic cleansing), which were then given over to colonisers. The plantation of Ulster followed shortly after (under James I), the effects of which we still see today. There are obvious parallels with the fate of the native Indian population in the US and the people of Palestine in our own time.
I have a (vague) recollection of Margaret Thatcher saying that Napoleon’s contribution to Europe was nothing more than a pile of corpses. There are some who would say the same of Elizabeth…!
Rgds,
Bradanfeasa
“Napoleon’s contribution to Europe was nothing more than a pile of corpses. ”
I think one could say the same for virtually all of the wars of every century.
Esp. the recent wars instigated and/or abetted by the USA since WW2.
Still, personally I would not choose Thatcher as my mouthpiece in criticizing either Napoleon or Elizabeth I.
Or just about anyone, actually! Kind of weakens your point.
Katherine
It was during her reign that the idea that “Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic, and associated cultures” were direct descendants of the ancient Israelites started slowly infecting England and becoming the ideological background of the “Empire On Which Sun Never Sets’.
@ cal
Jewish banking conspiracies are ridiculous; the Baring Brothers preceded the Rothschilds.
I will never ever forget actually its burned into my memory a quote by Paul Warburg upon seeing the roaring 20’s in America.
“The world lives in a fools paradise based upon fictitious wealth, rash promises and mad illusions. He said,
We must beware of booms based upon false prosperity which has its roots in inflated credits and prices.”
No banker I don’t think could foresee the coming collapse and great depression more than he. Further to this is his utter contempt for the political class who oversaw all this fictitious wealth etc etc.
It is interesting to that Carrol Quigley writes in his book Tragedy and Hope that it is these bankers that are actually the hope of the world? All who resist them represent tragedy?
“I know of the operations of this network because I studied it for twenty years, and was permitted for two years in the early 1960’s to examine its papers and its secret records. I have no aversion to it, nor to most of its aims, and have for much of my life been close to it, and to many of its instruments.”
“Dr. Quigley expresses the utmost contempt for members of the American middle class, who think they can preserve what he calls their ‘petty bourgeois’ property rights and constitutional privileges.”
O what did he have access to one must wonder all the hidden history and such?
Where is this all taking us is the big question summed up best I think by Catherine Austin Fitts ‘livestock management’ and control by way of a microchip in ones hand?
Not my idea of putting hope in a banker/political class really?
It is an interesting video. The link made between the intelligence community and the newsmen was something new to me. Also new was the discovery of the “Pilgrims Society”.
It looks like the people behind this society have been driving the world towards globalism since the begining of the 20st century and that the wars for them were a tool to destroy the countries preventing the globalism to emerge.
What is not clear is what is driving those people from the “Pilgrims Society” ? Money cannot be the objective for money is just a tool to reach power but if their motivation is only “Power” then they are sick ! If it is to fulfil some supposed requirements to allow the coming of the Messiah or the return of Jesus, then, they are no different from the djihadists cutting heads in Syria. They are just fanatics! It is obvious that those people have no good feeling towards humanity. They are behaving like slavedrivers. They deserve no respect!
Everything becomes clear when you know that almost every member is a Free-Mason.
The Saker writes: I would be most grateful if you could share with me any knowledge you might have
about these “Pilgrims”.
I think that I found out who these “Pilgrims” are.
Chabad Opens in Rwanda, as Nation Haunted by Genocide Builds Future
Growing Jewish presence in humanitarian work and economic development
By Mordechai Lightstone —— September 3, 2019
Rwanda, one of the smallest countries on the African mainland, is marked by a history of violence and genocide. To aid its struggling, mostly rural, landlocked population, its small but rapidly growing Jewish community includes men and women assisting with poverty relief, health care and economic develop-
ment. Agahozo-Shalom Youth Village, for example, is an Israel-based NGO that works with vulnerable
and orphaned children, drawing inspiration from how Israel helped Jewish orphans after the Holocaust.
https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/4463319/jewish/Chabad-Opens-in-Rwanda-as-Nation-Haunted-by-Genocide-Builds-Future.htm
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Chabad – Lubavitch Centers
https://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/9315/jewish/Africa.htm
https://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/9311/jewish/North-America.htm
https://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/9312/jewish/Central-South-America.htm
https://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/9313/jewish/Europe.htm
https://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/9314/jewish/Middle-East.htm
https://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/9316/jewish/Asia.htm
https://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/9317/jewish/Australia-New-Zealand.htm
Uman: Jews are returning | #IN UKRAINE
Reporter: Sergey Ivanov correspondent of Radio Liberty
Published on May 3, 2018
Uman is a famous Ukrainian town in many countries. It is here that tens of thousands of
Hasidim from all over the world make pilgrimages to Rosh Hashanah every year. More
precisely, to the grave of their righteous Rabbi Nachman.
But for some Hasidim, pilgrimage was not enough: they had already transported their fami-
lies to Uman from Israel and were accepting Ukrainian citizenship. And they are also trying
to introduce their own rules, even in their “Jewish quarter”.
How did they adapt their lives to local realities and how do they change these realities to fit
their needs? What causes conflicts with local non-Jews, why do Hasids accuse local
authorities of corruption, and how do officials respond to this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7VOewRR5Lk – You can change the subtitles to English
Uman – Ukraine on the map
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Uman,+Tscherkassy,+Ukraine,+20300/@48.7629843,30.1457191,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d20dbb89bbb1d7:0x48312c80d42f9951!8m2!3d48.7699292!4d30.2154406
What surprises me is not that there are subversive groups in UK and US able to find ways to efficiently sabotage competition (Russia) but the fact that there is people that will swallow the bait hook, line and sinker. How come that the revolutions were successful in Russia and China but not in Germany where Marxist ideology was invented? It seems that some nations are prone to enemy manipulation. The consequences for Russia are obvious. Hundred years of history squandered without any hope that the losses will ever be compensated.
When you kill millions of people, the rest is more easily manipulable. The more when you keep the gun pointed at their neck.