Some brighteyed and crazy some frightened and lost
A warning to anyone still in command
Of their possible future to take care
On July 1st I wrote a short piece entitled “Novorussia – Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and settle for anything in the middle” in which I looked at the various possible outcomes of what appeared to be an imminent and massive Ukie attack on Novorussia. I think that now is a good time to look back and what happened in the past 40 days and compare it with the possible outcomes.
Life somewhere in the middle
First, the best possible outcome which I summarized like this: Hope for the best is easy: the Novorussian resistance beats back the Nazi forces. That clearly did not happen and, frankly, that was the most unlikely outcome. However, I have to note here that the destruction of the “Southern Cauldron” is a huge success for the Resistance which, I think, took most people by surprise.
Then, here is how I described the worst possible outcome:
But what is the worst which can happen?
The worst which can happen is that a lot of Novorussian defenders get killed, that the towns of Slaviansk, Kramatorsk, Krasnyi Liman and others will get basically flattened and most of their inhabitants killed, that the road between Donetsk and Lugansk gets cut-off by the Ukies and that Ukie forces enter deep inside these two cities. I have to be honest here, there is a pretty good chance that all of the above will happen in the next 24 hours.
Superficially, it might look that this is very close to what actually happened. Except, of course, that instead of happening in 24 hours, it took the Ukies 40 days to achieve this result. Then, please consider the following “details”:
- The Donetsk-Luganks road has not been cut-off yet, but it is threatened, no doubt here. But the Ukies are afraid to fall into a trap and being surrendered again. So even if their forces have entered a few towns on that axis, they also had to withdraw back to their positions.
- All the combats are taking place on the suburban periphery of these cities and no Ukie forces have entered Luganks or Donetsk proper. Yes, they are mercilessly shelling these cities, but that is out of frustration because they are clearly unable to actually punch through the defensive lines of the Resistance.
- The destruction of the Southern Cauldron has opened 165km of border between Novorussia and Russia and that means that far from being able to cut-off the Resistance from Russia, the junta is now in control of even less crucial border crossings.
In fact, these are not details, but crucial elements of the overall strategic picture. Of course, civilians are paying a horrible price for the junta’s lack of real military success, and this kind of horror will continue for as long as the West will fully back Poroshenko’s war. The Ukies have shelled random buildings, kindergartens, churches and even hospitals. Sadly, this is par for the course, this is what the USA did in Serbia and Montenegro, this is what the Israelis did to Lebanon in 2006 and this is what they are doing to Gaza now. Still, terrible as these atrocities are, we should not mistake them for some kind of junta military success, quite to the contrary.
In July, I also looked at the very real possibility that the junta’s deathsquads would actually enter Donetsk and/or Luganks. I wrote:
Even if Poroshenko announces that Donetsk and Lugansk have “fallen”, this will be only a empty statement on par with Dubya’s “mission accomplished”. What will *really* happen is that the type of warfare taking place will change. Not only will it change, but the new (urban) type of warfare will almost completely negate the current huge advantage in aviation, artillery and armor of the Ukie side. So if these cities “fall” – please do not despair.
Apparently, the Resistance did not have to give up defense in what the military calls “mixed terrain” (vegetation, small villages, natural obstacles) nor did it have to retreat deep inside the urban areas to negate the huge junta advantages in hardware and manpower. So even though this kind of “the worst did not happen” news does not make for good headlines, it is very important, especially when we consider the bigger picture.
The race against time
The war in the Ukraine has now turned into a pure race against time. If we assume that the junta has an infinite amount of time available to crush the Resistance then we can only conclude that the Resistance will be completely wiped out. No matter how much covert aid comes from Russia, the junta is sitting on top of huge stores of old, but still usable, weapons systems. The junta also has an immense reservoir of manpower. So no matter how heroically and skillfully the Resistance fights, on the long-run it simply cannot win. Even if we assume that the Ukie forces in the Donbass are brought to a total standstill by the Resistance, it is one thing to defend yourself against an attacker and quite another to mount a successful offensive. So even if the Ukies are beaten back around Donetsk, this hardly means that Strelkov can launch a counter-attack on Kiev. No matter how you slice it, in the long run the Ukies win.
Furthermore, according to many sources the Ukies have learned how to fight, even if they learned that at a huge cost in lives. A month or two ago we had a war of clueless conscripts versus mostly older but combat trained Resistance fighters. This has now changed. Of course, the Ukies have suffered terrible casualties, and they still are, but there are increasing signs that those who survived have learned their lesson the hard way and that they are much harder to defeat than in the past.
However, there are many reasons why the Ukies do not have that much time.
- The first colds of winter will arrive in a month or so, followed by winter.
- The Ukies economy is coasting to a full halt (expected around September-October).
- The EU has just realized that the retaliatory sanctions imposed by Russia will be both extremely costly and politically divisive.
- The true story of MH17 will continue to leak out in one way or another
- The Ukie elites are already fighting each other pretty openly.
- The constant massacres by the Ukie death squads are becoming harder and harder to hide.
For all these reasons, Poroshenko had his sponsors badly need victory soon, something to show that the regime is not hapless and that Uncle Sam’s will “be done on earth as it is in heaven”. Conversely, every passing day makes an (unlikely but always possible) Russian military intervention less politically costly. Bottom line is this: time is on Russia’s side, but not on Novorussia’s side. For the Novorussians, the crisis is severe, the horrors a daily fact of life, and the hardship harder and harder. Still, the Novorussian Resistance has done better, even much better, then what I had feared and that should be recognized.
Russian options short of over military intervention
Still, since we don’t know how close either side here is to its breaking point, it appears that the situation remains very fluid, very unstable and very dangerous. I continue to think that Russian must do more to make sure that the Novorussians do not get run over (especially considering their lack of operational depth, this could happen in, literally a period of 24 hours).
First, Russia should increase its covert military, financial and technical aid, and she should probably also switch its official stance from “declared non-intervention” to “limited intervention on the basis of humanitarian grounds”. At the very least, if the US and its colonies could gather a conference of so-called “Friends of Syria”, Russia should consider political moves to help ease the pressure on Novorussia. The BRICS countries and the members of the SCO could declare an emergency based on the humanitarian situation in the Rostov region. And if the US wants to consider a humanitarian mission as an “intervention” so be it! Who cares about what the US might say? At this point the US has said it all and to pretend like the next statement from the “crazies” makes a difference in the real world is pointless, I think.
Second, now that Russia has imposed economic sanctions on the EU Russia should clearly spell out to her “EU partners” that these sanctions will remain for as long as the EU keeps acting like “Uncle Sam’s bitch“. While officially these sanctions are a retaliatory measure against US/EU sanctions, I am convinced that their real purpose is not to respond to the rather lame US/EU sanctions, but to punish the EU and to use it to break the total EU subservience to the USA. This is why Russia chose to use sectoral sanctions, sanctions which would very precisely hit the most subservient US colonies (Poland, Lithuania) and, at the same time, the most rebellious US colonies (Greece, France, Spain). Furthermore, Russia will now be re-directing billions of its dollars/rubles away from those countries which supported Uncle Sam to those who did not. Argentina, Brazil, China, and others are now openly celebrating the signing of huge contracts with Russia. That, in turn, means that these countries will gradually have a bigger and bigger personal interest in keeping relations with Russia excellent which, in turn, will give Russia more and more political clout. The BBC has reported today that “EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso has told Russia’s Vladimir Putin not to carry out unilateral military action in eastern Ukraine under any pretext“. This is a perfect example of what Nikolai Starikov has called a “the boorish attitude towards Russia as a guilty child, who must be punished and taught a lesson“. Who the hell does Barroso think that he is? There is a full-scale war and a massive humanitarian disaster right on Russia’s doorstep and that Portuguese bureaucrat thinks that he can tell Russia what she can do or not do?! Russian sanctions need to teach Barroso and the likes of him a good lesson in pain to make them understand that a tiny dog like them better not bark at a bear. The EU needs to be taught some basic manners and this is, I am quite sure, a central element of the Russian sanctions policy.
The next crucial months
So this will all come to head in the next few months. First, Novorussia must absolutely hold. Neither Donetsk nor Lugansk can be allowed to fall. If that is achieved, then the “season of pain” will begin in earnest for Banderastan and the EU neither of which can afford what is about to hit them. One this process begins, Russia will have the option to just relax and watch the bovine excreta hit the proverbial fan, in Kiev and Brussels. Then we will see what these Europatriots are really made out of.
But first and foremost, Novorussia must hold.
The Saker
For all the back and forth about Putin, there remains one inescapable fact: Putin cannot afford NATO bases on his borders, regardless of how “effective” they might be in a nuclear war between the US/NATO and Russia. It’s simply militarily, politically and geopolitically unacceptable.
And that IS the primary goal of the US/NATO push into Ukraine.
And since the US/NATO will NOT stop at achieving that goal, Putin is going to have to take some DIRECT action at SOME point. Putting out his own sanctions and wrecking the Ukraine economy is NOT going to be sufficient. Those are just counter moves for the economic sanctions placed on Russia.
Maybe Putin isn’t willing to directly back the Novorussiya movement. Maybe he is. No one knows at this point except maybe the Novorussiya guys who are in contact with their supporters in Moscow. It’s all speculation and not worth the time it takes to read it.
It should be obvious that an immediate invasion by Russia back when Maidan started would have been geopolitically unacceptable by much of the world – especially after the Crimea intervention
Directly supporting the militia by air drops (which would have required engaging Ukraine fighter jets which would have tried to prevent that) would also have led to a direct Russian-Ukraine war which would have been geopolitically unacceptable at that point.
We don’t have any official casualty figures for the conflict at this point, so even a no-fly zone would have required considerable pumping up the “humanitarian intervention” rhetoric before Russia could justify it internationally – especially after the Crimea intervention.
So Putin has so far done what he could do and still keep the anti-Russia propaganda down to a roar.
The recent call for a truce based on “humanitarian means” may have been an attempt to get that justification out there for Russian intervention. But it could also just be a means for the militia to regroup in preparation for the next major junta offensive.
Despite all that, Putin WILL have to move effectively at some point. Whether that will be after the militia has fallen, or whether it will be after the Kiev regime has collapsed into chaos after the economy collapses more, or whether it will be once NATO starts moving troops into the Ukraine cannot be predicted.
But Putin WILL move eventually. And he will move effectively. Ukraine is NOT going to be a NATO satrap. That is unacceptable to Russia and Russia will do what is necessary to prevent it.
I personally continue to believe that Putin should at some point – sooner rather than later – put up a no-fly zone over at least Donetsk and Lughansk. And then if the Ukraine contests that with their Air Force, wipe out their Air Force and bomb the crap out of the Ukraine military in eastern Ukraine. And then warn Kiev that further provocations will result in an air campaign on Kiev – like what Obama did to Gaddafi.
And when the West reacts to the no-fly zone, Putin should inform them that any attempt to put any significant US or NATO forces into Ukraine would result in an immediate invasion – and possible annexation – of Ukraine. He doesn’t have to DO it – just warn them that he WILL.
The US and NATO cannot put enough forces into Ukraine to prevent Putin from doing whatever he wants.
This whole attempt by the US and NATO to get NATO in the Ukraine is being run by neocons in both organizations. If this stupidity leads to a real possibility of war between NATO and Russia, cooler heads in the military will make sure that doesn’t happen. Putin can pretty much count on that, so he can go pretty far if he needs to. All he needs to be concerned about is the geopolitical fallout affecting Russia’s goals at rebuilding geopolitical influence.
Desert Storm, chapter 42.
Why Obama’s campaign in Iraq could require 15,000 troops
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140808/NEWS08/308080084/Why-Obama-s-campaign-Iraq-could-require-15-000-troops
Two posters on The UK Guardian CiF
RuStand
and
Oleg2323
have posted an interesting hacked conversation from facebook between operatives in the employ of Kolomoiskyi.
This converstaion is very important as it refers to the downed plane MH17, and is an exhibit of culpability of the Ukrainian Kiev Junta, they even refer to Poroshenko in their exchange, I wonder if Gleb Bazov can get a hold of it and translate it properly.
I did not copy the bad translation as it was censored by The Guardian twice.
Here’s a disturbing rumour in Veterans Today that Israel refurbished the warheads on the old de-commissioned Ukrainian nuclear rockets and may be giving some of them to their friends in Kiev.
Veterans Today
‘When the Ukraine retired its “fleet” of SS21 tactical nuclear missiles, Israel took possession of the warheads, servicing their deuterium booster gas all these years to keep them ready for deployment. Intercepted communications between the Kiev junta and Israel now indicate that Israel is ready to “repatriate” some of these nuclear weapons to the Ukraine for use against pro-Russian separatists. Ukrainian leaders have spoken of the intent to deploy and use these nuclear weapons publicly on several recent occasions.’
Every day that passes I agree more with Paul C. Roberts.
Russia should have done with the eastern Ukraine which she made with Crimea: recognize the plebiscite and open their arms for DRD and LDR, turning this a fait accompli.
USA would complain and accuse Russia of this and that. So what? They were going to do it anyway.
Are they not doing right now?
So Fuck the USA!
Russia would have saved hundreds of lives without lose more than they do now.
What you have to realize in war is that timing is everything
And with exquisite timing right at the beginning of the apple harvest…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dlXh0IfA0
Some info on the Russian aid convoy, which is not the first. Three trucks delivered what seems to be medical aid into Luhansk from Chechnya, this is their second load.
To the Lugansk People’s Republic delivered another batch of humanitarian aid. “REF of the Hero of Russia Akhmad-Hadji Kadyrov” [NGO of Chechen republic] has sent all that is needed for operating, first aid, treatment of people with severe shrapnel and gunshot wounds. And also transferred essentials for suffered population in a war zone. Residents of LPR and DPR need urgent help and support, without waiting until America and Europe agree about some corridors.”
https://www.facebook.com/RKadyrov95/photos/a.699805706721731.1073741831….
This next link is the main convoy, the 8th post down on this thread is a short video of some of the trucks. It is believed that about 300 trucks are involved delivering about 7500 tons. Another poster there, following a discussion on whether these were military trucks, said that these particular ones were local council trucks from their license plates. It is going to Luhansk given the devastation that is about to be unleashed on Donetsk. Of note at the end of the video a S300 SAM low level acquisition radar truck is filmed. As the area would have permanent air defences this implies that the Russians are beefing up support for the convoy. Any SU25 or MI24 Hind is not going to get near it.
JohninMK
I’ve long suspected that India would prove to be a weak bric, and Beijing’s wariness of admitting India to SCO seemed sensible. It seems too soon to expect Modi’s replacing Singh would lower the others’ guard (other brics, other scos), even though commentators are expressing surprise at Modi’s putative arm’s-lengthing of Washington. He may surprise us yet and move in unexpected directions (as for example in extending a hand towards Pakistan) and clearly Beijing is sensing something hopeful about Modi’s early signals.
The other weak point could well be SA, a well-embedded US vassal. It is a most anomalously dwarfish bric i.t.o both its economic and its demographic trends. (Though not, of course, i.t.o. its geographical situation.) Even the fellow who invented the term couldn’t make head or tail of the tolerance of the original four at SA’s elbowing itself into the club. As he himself intimated, Nigeria and Egypt were both well ahead in the (African) queue, the former 170M pop. and racing towards 200M, the latter over 80M and climbing to 100M, SA pretty static on 45M; Nigeria’s GDP now fast outsripping SA’s (still higher per capita, as you’d expect).
Changing the subject, I see the dangerous court jester Mccain currently touting his poison in Hanoi, another notch in the “pivot”.
Larchmonter 445:
How many men are needed for the moves you indicate?
I can’t say. It would depend on how many are arrayed against and in the field in front.
I believe the Southern Front originally had Ukrainian forces of 14,000, with 6,000 going into the Southern Pocket and being operational or physically destroyed.
I think there are also the equivalent of 2,000 National Guard at checkpoints back to the Dnipr and garrisoning Mariupol, and another 1,000 on the Crimean border.
The first move has to be closing the pocket on the remaining southern group and pressing them into the border to destruction. The prerequistie for this has occurred through victory at Ilovaysk – the path is open to move behind this grouping and cut its supply.
During the neutralization of this group, the Ukrainians would obviously try to move in remaining reserves from Kryivi Rih and Kharkov and slide existing forces around the corner of Donetsk. To block this, a stretch play west from Donetsk to Zaporozhia is required at the same time to draw these forces away. A brigade sized force would be ideal for each offensive operation, with continued defensive hold of the Donetsk-Torez-Snizhne line.
As I said, this seems outlandish with the forces thought to be at NAF disposal, but possibly there are more men available than is realized.
One way around the lack of men would be to ignite a Zaporozhyian/Mariupol revolt at the time of the offensive, with sleeper units activated to administratively seize key cities as occurred at the beginning of the this war in Donbass. I will note that there has been a lot of sabotage activity in Zaporozhiya, but there was next to no civil “unrest” after Maidan despite a very large Russian population. Such a revolt would effectively replace the need for an attack by a brigade sized force. Instead a batallion sized force would suffice, leaving 5 companies in Zaporozhiya, 2 companies each to the two Kherson bridges, and 2 companies to garrison Melitopol and Berdyansk.
The other way around would be to time the destruction in the south using lessons from the Cauldron to be faster than forces can redploy from the north or reserves. Crushing the cauldron took a month. This time it needs to be a week so that all the NAF forces in the south (which likely do total two brigades) can be freed for the offensive movements to the west and south. If done right, this will draw forces off of Alchecsk and Lugansk, permitting those fronts to push north and west.
So possibly it needs to be this order:
1) Offense southwest to encirclement with a brigade and 2 batallions.
2) Uprising in Zaporozhiya with one battlaion infiltrating the rear to seize bridges.
3) Southern forces redploy west and defeat the Crimean border force.
4) Lugansk front begins a wheeling movement or encirclement once forces draw off to the west.
@Mr.Pragma,
Your assumptions are wrong. This land is not fought for the Ukrnian benefits – it is fought for the benefits of the wall street reptiles, and the more destroyed and depopulated it gets the better it is for them. The US wants to have a military foothold right on the border of Russia and fraking is an icing on the cake.
@ 11 August, 2014 22:46
Concur. Putin is taking his time but the big moves/introduction of peacekeepers will come either this winter after the Kiev regime faces open Maidan-style revolts across the country the Nazis have to put down viciously. What concerns me is that NATO may try to force Putin’s hand either by:
1) having the Nazis massacre an unarmed aid convoy that the NAF couldn’t protect inside Ukie-held territory — this is something even prior agreement with Porkyshenko and Obama and the EU cannot prevent. Because we all know the ‘zhido-Banderite’ warlord Ihor Kholomoisky is capable of ordering his thugs to execute false flags and other assorted mayhem at any time without a green light from Kiev or with the complicity of the hardline Nazis inside SBU.
2) Direct introduction of NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine outside of the air bases where arms deliveries are being made. The arms deliveries themselves especially the Javelins are an escalation and I have little doubt Koronets will start appearing in the hands of the NAF within a week or two to retaliate in kind. But I suspect for some reason since the Aussie and Dutch government proposals to introduce ‘special forces to secure the MH17 crash site’ were nixed, precisely over the military brass’ fears of a Ukie false flag attack posing as the NAF against their troops, this could be tricky. The Harper government in Canada though seems neoconned enough to do it and allow Obummer once again to ‘lead from behind’. Poland and the Baltic states could also send troops to the Western Ukraine who will stay there after the NATO exercise concludes in September. I just think they will shrink from sending NATO troops openly and directly into the line of fire in the ‘ATO’ combat zone east of the Dnieper. I could be wrong about this though.
Also concur that MH17 feels like ‘East Gouta’ all over again. The investigation and paucity of evidence regarding a Buk having taken down the B777 is being pushed to the back burner and downplayed as much as possible in Western MSM. The remarkable lack of curiosity on the part of Daniel Sanford of the BBC and others who mindlessly repeat slogans like ‘the Malays say they’ve received everything they need from Kiev’ when this is flatly contradicted by the Malaysian press including New Straits Times is a dead giveaway. Orders have been issued to the higher ups at BBC to ‘stick with the script and bury the details’ on MH17.
Just to follow up on my prayer for peace – it is always difficult to find pearls of wisdom in the comments over at rt.com, because the trolls come out over there in their gnatlike numbers to drown out any such important comments, but this series goes with my comment above, so I am highlighting it here for those that can’t get through the flak:
Theo 11.08.2014 21:37
We see that Western Governments do not serve the people but are working towards a New World Order. The destruction of sovereign nations and the killing of millions of innocent people is, seemingly, a price worth paying for them, to achieve this goal.
We, the people of the Netherlands, want Peace and Justice, also for and with Russia.
We hope to make clear that the Dutch Government speaks for itself only. We pray our efforts will help to diffuse the rising tensions between our Nations.
Sincerely, A citizen from The Netherlands
fred 11.08.2014 21:37
[quote name=’Theo’ time=’11.08.2014 21:35′]
Dear Mr. President Putin,
Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country. We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction.
A brilliant and well reasoned post!
Theo 11.08.2014 21:36
We, awake citizens of the West, who see the lies and machinations of our Governments, wish to offer you our apologies for what is done in our name. It’s unfortunately true, that our media have lost all independence and are just mouthpieces for the Powers that Be. Because of this, Western people tend to have a warped view of reality and are unable to hold their politicians to account. Our hopes are focused on your wisdom.
We want Peace.
********
I have this motto on my fridge:
There is no way to Peace;
Peace is the way.
At nakedcapitalism.com there is a link to a German article focussing on peace, signed by such as the Dalai Lama and Desmond Tutu. It would be wonderful if someone could translate that for us – my German is so rusty it would take me a month to do it. Bitte schøn? (Sorry, I know that needs an ..)
“Russia should increase its covert military, financial and technical aid”
Uh, yeah, and I can’t understand why that hasn’t happened.
“Who the hell does Barroso think he is?”
This question was asked previously and loudly and it got a lot of press:
‘Who the Hell You Think You Are?’ Nigel Farage throws egg in Eurocrat faces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs
Pay close attention to what he says right at the end.
@ 11 AUGUST, 2014 22:58; Here’s a disturbing rumour in Veterans Today
So,…? Veterans Today is just false opposition.
Apologies, I should have had this link ready previously:
http://www.focus.de/magazin/kurzfassungen/focus-33-2014-friedensnobelpreistraeger-appellieren-an-russland-die-ukraine-und-den-westen-die-gewalt-in-der-ukraine-zu-stoppen-walesa-macht-uneinigkeit-des-westens-fuer-ausweitung-des-konflikts-verantwortlich_id_4050017.html
I tried a bit with my dictionary, got “Peace Nobel Prize Bearers Appeal to Russia, Ukraine, and the West, the war in Ukraine to stop – “
OT but solidarity to the people of St. Louis for rising up against the police state murder of a brother. The faster the black people of this country move on up and say fuck you to the pigs that are running slavery 2.0, the faster America will disintegrate and the faster a New America can be created.
– from Novorussia to St. Louis
Putin / Lavrov have timed this humanitarian assistance masterfully. The fall out from the MH-17 atrocity is set to boomerang back to the real perpetrators. Likewise, Russia timed the ban on food exports from the five eyes and EU to cause maximum damage with extreme prejudice. Who can be against humanitarian assistance in Ukraine and for it in Kurdistan? This is exposing the hypocrisy. He is sending lots of humanitarian relief supplies in white trucks with no military escort to comply with Ukrainian conditions. Who can be against that? This is while regular Ukrainian soldiers have nearly starved in the cauldron. The West is not sending humanitarian relief but just weapons, or dollars and euros to fund the ATO. This is very clever. the whole of Ukraine is watching and the whole of Europe and the world are watching this drama.
Counter-Offensive promised by Donetsk Leader.
MOSCOW, August 11 (RIA Novosti) – The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) is planning a large-scale offensive against the “totally demoralized” Ukrainian army as the claims of Donetsk encirclement are a “mere bluff”, the DPR press service said on Monday, citing the region’s prime minister.
“Alexander Zakharchenko has announced that, given the complete demoralization of the Ukrainian army in the combat zones, the DPR army is planning a large-scale offensive. He also stressed that the comments by Ukrainian forces suggesting the capital of the republic [Donetsk] is encircled and blocked are nothing but a mere bluff,” the statement said.
The premier has also confirmed the existence of serious problems with humanitarian deliveries to the region. He underlined that the independence forces were ready for a ceasefire only along the humanitarian corridors to be established in the combat zones.
“The militia will fight until victory,” Zakharchenko was quoted as saying.
I fear that without many more volunteers and weapons they can’t hold-out .Right now the figures, as best as I can tell, are 4-5 to 1 for the Ukie side.Not even counting their heavy weapons and an air force advantage.I’ve given up on hoping Putin will intervene.Unless the Russian people massively push for intervention he won’t.And for some reason they seem blind to the long term disaster a NATO anti-Russian Ukraine is for Russia.Transnistra is gone,with the junta in power in Kiev.There is no way to support it.Its like a besieged fortress surrounded on all sides.They will just let the Moldovans seize it.Then expect them to announce after “victory” in the East that Russia must return Crimea.I’m not sure if they will directly attack,I doubt it.But a propaganda campaign with Western MSM is certain.And terrorism from the RS and Tatar jihadis also certain.I think Putin forgot Churchills “war or shame” words.He should have stood up to the West to avoid war.Now we have a prelude to war.
I fear that without many more volunteers and weapons they can’t hold-out .Right now the figures, as best as I can tell, are 4-5 to 1 for the Ukie side.Not even counting their heavy weapons and an air force advantage.I’ve given up on hoping Putin will intervene.Unless the Russian people massively push for intervention he won’t.And for some reason they seem blind to the long term disaster a NATO anti-Russian Ukraine is for Russia.Transnistra is gone,with the junta in power in Kiev.There is no way to support it.Its like a besieged fortress surrounded on all sides.They will just let the Moldovans seize it.Then expect them to announce after “victory” in the East that Russia must return Crimea.I’m not sure if they will directly attack,I doubt it.But a propaganda campaign with Western MSM is certain.And terrorism from the RS and Tatar jihadis also certain.I think Putin forgot Churchills “war or shame” words.He should have stood up to the West to avoid war.Now we have a prelude to war.
I fear that without many more volunteers and weapons they can’t hold-out .Right now the figures, as best as I can tell, are 4-5 to 1 for the Ukie side.Not even counting their heavy weapons and an air force advantage.I’ve given up on hoping Putin will intervene.Unless the Russian people massively push for intervention he won’t.And for some reason they seem blind to the long term disaster a NATO anti-Russian Ukraine is for Russia.Transnistra is gone,with the junta in power in Kiev.There is no way to support it.Its like a besieged fortress surrounded on all sides.They will just let the Moldovans seize it.Then expect them to announce after “victory” in the East that Russia must return Crimea.I’m not sure if they will directly attack,I doubt it.But a propaganda campaign with Western MSM is certain.And terrorism from the RS and Tatar jihadis also certain.I think Putin forgot Churchills “war or shame” words.He should have stood up to the West to avoid war.Now we have a prelude to war.
Shortly after the militia retreated from Slavyansk, shell had a drill rig there fracking in the sweetest of the potential sweet spots. Chevron had pulled out when its leases proved to have no significant amounts of gas. Shell was the last and best hope of US/Nato to find an immediate replacement for Russian gas.
I predicted back then that if there was no gas, this confrontation would wind down, but not be solved – instead be left to simmer like transnistria – for future western provocation.
I also predicted that there would be escalation and Nato involvement if a large amount of gas was discovered.
Given the stirrings in Nagorno-Karabakh, the delegation of aid supply to pathetic Canada, a disinterested Obama, and the unfocused response of the Nato players to Russsian sanctions it is my conclusion that Shell drilled a pretty dry hole – there is certainly nothing worth fighting for, and nothing that would replace Russia as the EU supplier.
This will diminish drastically any enthusiasm the EU or the US may have on aiding Ukraine. Shortly the Ukraine will be reduced to the basics of life-support.
So it is also my conclusion that Ukraine has this current offensive and perhaps one more roll of the military dice to be seen as a victor.
…a man who wants to act virtuously in every way necessarily comes to grief among so many who are not virtuous (Machiavello)
News of the relief convoy to Novorossiya makes me think VVP and the RF leadership have woken and smelled the coffee
American Kulak wrote:
“The Nazis in Mariupol will get what’s coming to them this winter…”
Perhaps even sooner:
Gleb Bazov @gbazov · 15h
#FLASH Continuing fierce guerrilla attacks @ #Slavyansk. 23 separate attacks recently. Several dozen #Ukraine soldiers killed or wounded.
Gleb Bazov @gbazov · 15h
#ALL By looks of it, guerrilla warfare spiking across the #Ukraine-occupied South-East – Mariupol, Kharkov, Kherson, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk.
Retweeted by Gleb Bazov
Lise De Saint Romain @DeSaintRomain · 15h
@gbazov Moreover, we can see that the rebellion is extending across the two “oblasts” : now guerrillas actions in Kharkov oblast.
And, while I’m at it ;-) :
Retweeted by Gleb Bazov
Lise De Saint Romain @DeSaintRomain · 15h
@gbazov At the beginning of all this, I was a little skeptic, but, God, these people (men and women) fight like lions !
What is the route into Ukraine for the 300 vehicles of the Humanitarian convoy?
Doesn’t the militia control the road into Lugansk?
Why is there such a delay?
The UN, the International Red Cross are supposedly behind the effort Russia is making.
So why the delay? The satanists and Nazis can’t be allowed to interfere.
It is time for the RF to force the issue.
There should be live streaming Internet coverage of this create humanitarian effort.
@ 19:06 “Question: so, if Kiev indeed wants to drag Russia into the conflict, they just “accidentally” shell one of the Russian humanitarian convoys, and then what happens … ?”
It won’t happen. The last thing coup-Ukraine wants is the Russians to get directly involved.
Notice how careful coup-Ukraine was not to give Russia an excuse to attack (until it became clear that Putin was able to prevent any Russian invasion).
Inviting an attack by Russia is equivalent to coup-Ukraine committing suicide.
Those claiming that coup-Ukraine are trying to provoke an attack by Russia are either mislead, or propagandists, whose job it is to prevent such an attack by Russia.
Well, HOLY SHIT at Anon 18:19 and that Cyber Berkut hack of the conspirators discussing the downing of MH17 PRIOR and after.
Is it automatic that the Kremlin gives this to the Malaysian government or do we have to tweet it or something?
DAMN!
Anonymous 21:54
Omigosh — way to put a positive spin on things… except it’s true! The only down side is the same thing that happens every time the AZ Empire tries any gambit: all the innocent people who go through untold horrors for… well, what exactly?
Anonymous 00:23
Yes! But do check out what else is going on, bc speaking of slavery, this looks to be equally horrific and possibly even harder to fight:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/opinion/sentencing-by-the-numbers.html?ref=opinion&_r=1
OT, but they deserve recognition.
Hollywood execs may blacklist Cruz, Bardem for accusing Israel of ‘genocide’
http://rt.com/usa/179544-penelope-cruz-blacklist-israel/
“Hollywood producers have signaled a potential blackballing of actress Penelope Cruz and her husband, actor Javier Bardem, after the Spanish couple criticized Israel for its offensive on Gaza.
In July, Bardem and Cruz signed an open letter decrying the “the genocide perpetrated by the Israeli occupation army.”
The letter blames the latest bloodshed on the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories.
“Gaza is living through horror…while the international community does nothing,” said the Spanish letter, signed by 100 top figures in the film industry.
One “top producer” who has worked with Cruz anonymously told The Hollywood Reporter that he would never hire her again.
Another top executive said he is “furious at Javier and Penelope” and could not say whether he would ever work with the Oscar winners in the future.
Only one studio leader was willing to publicly state his views.
“As the grandson of Holocaust survivors, I know that anyone calling what’s going on in Israel ‘genocide’ vs. self-defense is either ignorant and shouldn’t be commenting or is truly anti-Semitic.” said Relativity Media chief executive Ryan Kavanaugh.
Kavanaugh had previously told The Hollywood Reporter that the letter “makes my blood boil.” He now says that he received more than 500 calls, emails, and texts in approval of his comments in the 24 hours after his comments were published. He said that support included top Hollywood executives.
But, ultimately, he said he does not believe the actors’ careers will be affected by their statements as long as their films are successful.
Another film producer said, “I think the thing any executive or producer will try to calculate before working with Penelope Cruz or Javier Bardem in the near future is what their value is in the all-important international marketplace. And what territories they might have alienated people in by what they said. It might not be that many. But it’s really all about business.”
Virulent pro-Israel celebrities have also criticized those who signed the letter. Actor Jon Voight, a frequent supporter of right-wing causes, wrote his own letter calling on Cruz and Bardem to “hang your heads in shame.”
“I am asking all my peers who signed that poison letter against Israel to examine their motives. Can you take back the fire of anti-Semitism that is raging all over the world now?”
This shows how Jewish solidarity in support of Israeli war crimes is a very serious threat to society. They don’t just do this in Hollywood, but throughout much of American society. Disagree with their war crimes, and they seek to destroy one any way they can.
Also, keep in mind these very same Jewish Hollywood oligarchs promoting genocide in Gaza are doing the same for the bandera nazis in the Ukraine. Without them, there would be none of these wars, as they provide the sophisticated PR that makes the wars possible.
вот так
China to start direct sales of fruit and vegetables to Russia
http://rt.com/business/179376-russia-china-fruit-vegetable/
“China will start selling fruit and vegetables directly to Russia, and Baorong company plans to set up a special logistics center in Dongning on the border with Russia’s Far East to do it.
The 70,000 square meter wholesale market and 30,000 square meter warehouse, fitted out with refrigerators and other equipment, will be in a special cross-border customs zone, ITAR-TASS cites the head of the Association of Applied Economy of the Heilongjiang Province Zhang Chunjiao.
“Direct export of fruit and vegetables to Russia will be organized from it,” she said.
It will cost $9.7 million to construct. Customs clearance times will be reduced, and there will be no need to double-check the cargo because of video surveillance in the warehouse.
A Chinese company Dili, also intends to create a similar cross-border trade zone by the end of 2014, Zhang Chunjiao added…”
вот так
The most important immediate strategy for Russia is to finish South Stream.
As for NATO on its borders, Poland is already in NATO.
Ukraine will collapse on its own for the same reasons it’s been a dysfunctional state since forever. I abhor the human costs, but there is not much need for geopolitical panic.
Overall this might be a good thing for Russia because it will eliminate lingering anti-Chinese bias and get the Kremlin serious about working with the only area of global growth. The EU has got nothing to offer when it comes to global growth.
Anonymous said…12 August, 2014 01:20
“It won’t happen. The last thing coup-Ukraine wants is the Russians to get directly involved.”
That is based upon one fatally flawed assumption. That the junta controls the Ukraine. The ZPC/NWO does, the junta are gofers and figureheads, PR tools, and political cannon fodder, nothing more. And the ZPC does want Russia in the Ukraine. They want it so badly they’d sacrifice their first borns to get that reaction.
вот так
Sobering is the anti-human MSM’s power to bamboozle the post-Christian populations. What really matters is the readiness of BRICS-congregation governments and media to amplify what the satanic media hides. Multiple nations are now free to say who did MH370/17 & etc. Trying to terrify or buy them off are options for the Goy haters I suppose.
Further, BobSixPack knows his opinion is powerless so why have one? No reason because there is no one to vote for UNTIL deserving leadership emerges. Sharp intuition would recognise and support statesman like behaviour almost instantly. This does seem to be happening in Greece and Spain, well, almost observably.
And Tea Party patriots/associates do seem to be fighting the globalists tooth and nail—and making electoral progress—if you credit Webster Griffin Tarpley’s engaging World Crisis Radio, which I do.
re: “Most of all though, the NAF needs an advance to give fence-sitters and opportunity to join the “winning” team.”
Many have commented that morale boosts would be a key element of winning the war. Also, many commented that clear lines, with a safe zone in the rear were needed. Perhaps that has now been achieved, and a clear and safe path to hospitals and recovery areas in Russia is now in effect.
Re: “Transnistra is gone,with the junta in power in Kiev.There is no way to support it.Its like a besieged fortress surrounded on all sides. They will just let the Moldovans seize it.”
According to Wikipedia: “As of 2007, the armed forces and the paramilitary of Transnistria were composed of 4,500–7,500 soldiers, divided into four motorized infantry brigades in Tiraspol, Bender, Rîbnița, and Dubăsari.[142] They have 18 tanks, 107 armoured carriers, 73 guns, 46 anti-aircraft installations, and 173 tank destroyer units. The air force is composed of 9 Mi-8T helicopters, 6 Mi-24 helicopters, 2 Mi-2 helicopters, and several airplanes of An-2, An-26 and Yak-18 models. “
A formidable force then, likely no worse now, since Russia has continually maintained a battalion-size garrison there also. Also, Transnistra is close enough to the western Crimea, Yevpatoria or thereabouts, to be easily supplied by an airlift like the Berlin airlift, escorted by long-range fighters of course, somewhat like the Berlin airlift. — Don’t throw in the towel yet.
Perhaps many of us get caught up in the minutiae of the war. The bigger goals for Russia include no NATO nearby and a non-hostile regime in Kiev. Also, keeping the bases in the Crimea. Preferably, the ability to export gas.
Whether it takes a year or even five years is not the issue. And it is possible that it won’t be obvious what the plan was till some time down the road. As I recall, there was a discussion about Kremlin plans at MOA and someone said “After 23 years, Russia finally has a position regarding the Ukraine. The new policy is to smash it. Strangle it dead. But this can never be stated as so many Russians think of it as a brother, and there are so many family connections from the past and with new immigrants.”
Pure speculation, of course. But it does beg the obvious question of what future Russia should want to see. A future with all the property of every oligarch inside the Ukraine smashed might be a good one. Russia can always come in and buy or build everything later. The Novorossiyan government will be glad to help.
I think our hesitation to offend the US propaganda machine is fading.
Saker, you said: “Who cares about what the US might say? At this point the US has said it all and to pretend like the next statement from the “crazies” makes a difference in the real world is pointless, I think.”
We’ve come a long way in the last few months. We forget that the information war fires bullets too, and this ammunition needs to get replaced, or it dwindles.
It’s a subtle field of battle, and hard to measure in tangible terms, but when does the point come that Russia can see the credibility of the US decline to the point that it’s no longer an obstacle to action? I think we’re already seeing changes in action based on these measurements.
When the false flag of the airliner failed and the western media went silent, this removed the potential effect of the next false flag. Bring on your next false flag, and we’ll fight it with the truth about the last one – and kill both birds with one stone.
We are approximately in the time of history, I think, when we can glimpse the beginning of the end of the western media’s narrative supremacy.
And all of this has come from Russia’s being perceived as doing nothing. And all the while, as we who love her have steadfastly perceived, she has been unceasingly engaged in hand to hand combat with all her enemies from the time of Maidan.
Russia, the very best fighter, the most skillful of our age.
Colonel Cassad argues that the big attack is about to start. Kiev wants to win (as in, take Donetsk) soon, and will take massive losses to do so. It goes without saying that civilian losses are not a problem.
He sees this as a gamble, because, if they fail, regrouping and figuring out what to do then could take some time. And their losses will be painful.
Speaking of moral amongst the zionazi stooges, here is a video showing it in all its “glory to ukraine” right on the Russian border:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-gYrK7IeV0
McCain’s et al.’s brothers in arms / ideas / “values” / etc. :)
BTW, ukies confirm this video to be of their so-called borderguards.
@Mr.Pragma
Nice to find you here!
I follow MoA and one of the main reasons I used to visit it, particularly in matters having to do with Russia, were your thought provoking and witty posts.
I was frustrated and angry at MoA for banning you for no good reason.
So, anyway, do u have a blog of your own or post at other places? I’m just asking because I do not know what kinda ‘rules’ are enforced here, so would be nice to be able to follow your posts elsewhere in case something bad happens again…
Regards
AntiNWO 20:23
Fabulous speech by “impassioned Militia Leader” Fabulous.
23″12
“Every day I agree more with Paul C Roberts.”
PCR thinks he knows how to run a war better than Putin. He’s been banging the war drums for months now. I’m glad Putin knows better than PCR. Humanitarian Aid is better than a quicky….
Larchmonter445 wrote:
“There should be live streaming Internet coverage of this great humanitarian effort.”
My thoughts as well; I’ll be very disappointed if Russia doesn’t effectively wring some goodwill out of a convoy of 300 white trucks heading from the Moscow area into the Luhansk People’s Republic.
Regarding “What is the route into Ukraine for the 300 vehicles of the Humanitarian convoy?…”:
This…
Humanitarian cargo convoy sets off from Moscow Region to southeast Ukraine
[time/date stamp: August 12, 8:35 UTC+4]
…states:
A convoy of up to 280 trucks carrying 2,000 metric tons of humanitarian cargo for the embattled southeastern Ukrainian regions has set off on early Tuesday from the Moscow Region…
Entering Moscow, Russia to Luhansk, Ukraine into google maps indicates a route nearly straight south, and depending on the route: 977 to 1169 kilometers, travel time about 12 to 15 hours.
Poroshenko is looking for the lost troops:
http://theother14.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/poroshenko-orders-investigation-into-3500-mias-in-donetsk-republic/
Note how the DPR fighters let members of the 72nd brigade out (without weapons) as they were from Odessa and Mykolaiv Oblasts
One of my boss’ health care practitioners is a talented woman from Ukraine. Though her family and extended family have mostly fled from Ukraine, she has a friend stuck in Ukraine. Her friend’s father, retired at 65, has just been drafted into the Ukrainian army. They are terrified. I asked if they can’t run to the Russian border to seek asylum and she said that men are being denied the possibility, per the new Ukrainian government, it’s official — they cannot leave. My heart bleeds that these beautiful people are suffering and dying for nothing more than money and politics. God help us. Or maybe Putin and Merkel can help us.
Finally some discord in the US media with three articles in Tuesday’s New York Times that have daylight from the State Department’s line.
One cynical explanation might be that supporters of Israel might be angry that roughly equivalent civilian casualties in eastern Ukraine aren’t given anywhere near the attention of those in Palestine.
Just to make clear, Barosso is a communist. He was a member of the maoist-communist party in his early “carreer”.
Sum of 11 Aug.
Summary of military events in Novorossia for 11.08.2014
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3640-svodka-voennyh-sobytiy-v-novorossii-za-11082014.html
Start of 12 Aug.
The war in the South East Online 12.08.2014 Chronicle of events (post updated)
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3639-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-12082014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html
The region map posted in the latter shows the situation well of who owns what and force movements.
вот так
Bad news:
Punisher junta throw American howitzers M
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.en/www.segodnia.ru/news/144838
“Heavy American weapons channelled to Ukraine, as reported the Agency Voenkor.info with reference to a source in the new Russia.
With Altus air force base in Oklahoma flew C-17 58th air transport squadron, loaded 155-mm howitzer M, ammunition and personnel. The plane sent to Ukraine, tentatively in Kharkiv or Odessa.
M is howitzer using high-precision, long-range ammunition M982 Excalibur. When using an external pointing via satellite or UAVs such missiles at distances up to 40 km can direct hits to hit even separate tanks and cars. M effective and counterbattery struggle.”
With 50,000 Junta troops and associated Nazi militias and these and other new US weapons staging to assault Donansk in a few day is time for the DPR and the LPR to take up the next level of mobile infantry weapons and tactics for combat in urban settings. The freedom fighters can stop the assault if the Junta troops receive about 15% casualties (DOA/WIA). I hope the DPR and LPR freedom fighters can be supplies with state of the art Russian infantry weapons, which I won’t go into as they should know what I mean.
Saker,
This is not meant as a post. I offer it to you as possible material to draw on for a post of your own. Sad how so many Russian speaking Junta forces will be forced of kill their own in the DPR and LPR.
yet another kot-ivanov map, which should be useful in conjunction with andrew’s analyses (below)
https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/yet-another-kot-ivanov-map-which-should-be-useful-in-conjunction-with-andrews-analyses-below/
Anonymous said…
“Is it really the case that the Ukros had all this equipment from the start? I doubt it. I remember in the early stages they didn’t seem to have much of anything, at least not much that was working. Now there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of EVERYTHING.”
^ A lack of realism is one of the key problems of Novorossiya:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=caf_1403370298
Artemovsk. Militia storming the tank base near Slavyansk.
Base captured:
– 221 tanks
– 288 BTR
– 12 artillery units
– 18 “Grad”
– 183 BMP
– 12 mortars.
Now militia have tanks, heavy artillery, MLRS. Well done!
Read more at: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=caf_1403370298#jXAh3WRxMIl86Hz5.99
Re. izrahell/ukratine nuclear warheads
I wouldn’t generally paint veterans today as lousy but they quite sometimes write fringe or disturbed stuff. This certainly is.
@Anonymous 23:38
Do yourself a favour and read with your brain turned on before writing.
@Luca Kreutz
Thanks so much for the flowers (which I probably don’t deserve. I just speak my mind. The Saker is the guy who does all the work and is to be lauded)
@Anonymous 11 August, 2014 19:00
Yes, they have received outside military assistance. Canada has delivered military assistance. No doubt the US has provided assistance. Veterans Today reports that planes with Ukie markings have been identified leaving NATO bases in various countries.
Saker, what about this idea?
Russia make limited attack, only at the neo-nazi squads?
Pretext: War crimes (as in Kolomoisky).
If only the Gladio neo-nazi “slav al-qaida” death squads are attacked, then western (= mostly jewish or left-wing) media will be in trouble rooting for the neo-nazis.
Let me remind you, in a way as an extension of yesterday re. Moscow, that the idea of “Russia”, “ukratine”, and even “the Donbass” is a very crude concept that’s only useful for high altitude overviews.
And this, I’m convinced, is getting ever more important as things unfold the way they currently do.
The kiev regime, for instance, simply doesn’t exist. There are many players with diverse and different loyalties, interests, and compromises. kolomoisky, for instance, is a quite important figure and wild card. And not few of those figures exist and act in different “personae”, in particular guys like kolomoisky.
There is kolomoisky the businessman, kolomoisky the arch zionist, kolomoisky the governor who, more or less, is linked to kiev and controllable to a degree, kolomoisky the satanist thug, a plethora of subalterns and servants through which kolomoisky acts, etc etc.
And almost all those people and personae need others from time to time and need to wheel and deal and make compromises. And of course they often are out for the heads and throats of each other.
And the uza has to somehow understand, follow, manage and control that whole circus of creatures – which quite obviously they grossly fail to do. If they succeed in managing some major lines they can feel lucky.
And let’s not dream, the same, albeit somewhat less gross, holds true for Novorossija. Even worse and this seems to be often overlooked or ignored, the facts on the ground are that there is a rather significant percentage of ethnic Russians but by far not anything like a majority.
Of course the ukratinians there sooner or later understand by cruel experience that “their” regime in kiev is a bunch of thugs not caring batshit for them or their lives. But then, that’s not so much different from what they’ve experienced for 20+ years. I dare to say that for the majority of people, even ethnic Russians, the current situation isn’t much different from what they’re used to, if massively more crude and brutal.
And that’s a major factor in the question why they don’t join the militia and fight. The majority are ukratinians, not ethnic Russians, simple as that.
Which finally also helps to understand Russias non-obligation and reluctance to join the fight. There is simply no solid mandate. Sure the (justifiably) “aggressive minority” happens to be ethnic Russians – but they are a minority and they were not forced into or to stay in ukratine; they could and they still can leave for Russia.
In the end there is not much tangible, properly legally based grounds for action other than humanitarian concerns. If a large number of innocent civilians were slaughtered, Russia (like any other country) had an obligation and reason to intervene, e.g. by a no fly zone and bringing in humanitarian aid and help.
Again, I’m honestly wishing the best of luck and success to the NR people and I certainly enjoy learning about nazi-rats they managed to fight off or to kill, but, so sorry, there is an ugly issue in the room: in NR a minority pushed their will with force upon the majority and many ukratinians in NR who died did not die for their own cause but in the aftermath of the minorities decision forced as fait accompli upon them.
No doubt, the rat regime in kiev – as well as their zio masters! – must be fought and brought down. But the how, when, and where is not for a minority alone to decide and force upon all others at the cost of their lives.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. — Mahatma Gandhi
I was reminded of these words today.
So, in which phase is Russia and, perhaps more appropriately, Mr. Putin?
IGNORE
RIDICULE
FIGHT
or WIN
In strategy formulation sucess is partly achieved when the advised presents previous advice as his own production –
for example Mr. Khazin presenting strategies that others had formulated and acted upon for almost 30 years ago.
This can have productive uses in disseminating disinformation.
As to categorical imperatives in smart strategies they don’t exist excepting fulfillment of purpose without time constraint.
Many military strategists would tend to emphasise time constraints, and some military strategists are overly focused on military options for various reasons.
Consequently sucessful strategies are inclusive but focused on fulfillment of purpose.
As an example – a question.
Why did the aid convoy start their journey in Moscow?
THE WORLD SHOULD REMEMBER THE LESSONS OF PAST WARS AND NOT REPEAT MISTAKES
August 10, 2014 “ICH” – “Press TV” – Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has condemned political ambitions that threatened peace in Europe during the First World War, saying the international community should learn the lesson from the deadly conflict.
Speaking at the opening ceremony of the Poklonnaya Hill monument in the Russian capital, Moscow, Putin said the First World War is a reminder of what happens when unreasonable ambitions prevail over common sense.
The monument honors the Russian soldiers who died during World War I.
“It serves as a reminder of what aggression and selfishness, exorbitant ambitions of heads of state and political elites prevailing over common sense can lead to,” Putin said on Friday.
Those ambitions put “the world’s most trouble-free continent – Europe” in danger instead of preserving peace, the Russian president added.
Putin also stated that it is time for humanity to understand and accept the truth that “violence begets violence,” and that the path to peace and prosperity lies in “goodwill, dialogue and remembering the lessons of past wars.”
Putin said history shows an “unwillingness to listen to each other” and respecting each other’s interests can have huge costs for the whole world.
On the eve of the First World War, he added, Russia did its best to persuade Europe to resolve the conflict peacefully and to avoid bloodshed.
“But [Europe] turned a deaf ear to Russian pleas,” Putin said.
Russia has recently been concerned over the fate of the former Soviet Union republic of Ukraine, where pro-Moscow forces in the east are fighting the Ukrainian government mainly in Donetsk and Lugansk.
World War I, which started on July 28, 1914 and lasted until November 11, 1918, is considered one of the deadliest conflicts in history of mankind, taking lives of almost 16 million people.
Anon 03:00:
A formidable force then, likely no worse now, since Russia has continually maintained a battalion-size garrison there also. Also, Transnistra is close enough to the western Crimea, Yevpatoria or thereabouts, to be easily supplied by an airlift like the Berlin airlif
Not only formidable enough, but also located in a position to threaten Odessa, and thus Ukrainian resupply by sea, most especially of oil. To attack Transnistria is to open a second front when Ukraine has theoretically deployed 3/4 of its 57,000 man Army into Donbass (12 of 17 Brigades plus small small regiments). It would be excessively foolish from a strategic perspective without backing of much larger outside forces.
A Russian journalist is with the convoy and tweeting with photos.
https://twitter.com/AlexBoykoKP
Mr. P.,
Maybe you need to add to your list that there is no such real thing as the Ukraine. It is an artificial construct, put together by various Communists, that is comprised of very different historical regions. From the point of view of this blog, though, the issue is more like the following, which was from Mark Sleboda’s blog:
—
A little story I heard from last December when Western politicians started flagrantly flying into Kiev and cheerleading on the Maidan mobs who were arming themselves into paramilitary brigades and calling for “revolution” against the democratically elected government that dared say “NO” to the EU’s neoliberal shock therapy economic suicide pact:
A Russian top general was called into the Foreign Ministry for a meeting with senior officials. As he entered he stood quietly listening for several minutes to their agitated but directionless back and forth arguments over this flagrant Western intervention in the domestic political affairs of the Ukraine with an obvious end goal of regime change. He was amazed at their inability to see the big picture of what was going on. Finally he had enough and felt forced to interrupt them and said, “Gentlemen, please!” When they had quieted down and he had their attention, he simply asked, “Gentlemen, you DO realize, don’t you, that we are already at war [with the West]?”
—
So the point to keep in mind is that the Anglo-Americans are at war with Russia, and the Ukraine was the logical weak point to start in. How Greeks in Mariupol or Hungarians in Transcarpathia feel about Kiev versus Moscow versus independence is important, but kind of secondary. To borrow a phrase you used to use a lot: Ceterum censeo Atlanticism esse delendam.
вот так,
That Hollywood response is as nauseating as it is predictable. Perhaps those guys ought to be added to the BDS list: who here can live without their products?
Grieved,
Your observations are spot-on, especially about that false flag. Wow. I never thought of that. Basically, Russia has given us just enough rope to hang ourselves, and not just as regards false flags. Don’t you wonder how many people in D.C. understand that? Well, more precisely, don’t you wonder how many people who are able to do something about this mess truly understand that all we keep doing is shooting ourselves in the foot.
Mr. Pragma,
Ouch. But I think you’re right. The referenda questions were so vaguely stated that it was possible to vote yes for a wide range of reasons: they basically were a register of dissatisfaction with the Junta, that’s all. And while I believe that there might be a majority of ethnic Russians in NR — the best gauge we have is the language which people choose to answer the phone or go online, and that’s really language, not ethnicity per se — it does seem likely that most people there do consider themselves Ukrainian; the degree to which they accentuate “of Russian descent” is, as always, a personal choice. I.e., it’s a muddle — but isn’t it always? In America, only two large groups of people did *not* choose to come here, Native Americans and Mexicans who were here first, and African Americans sold into chattel slavery: everyone else decided to come here and become an American. And everywhere else it’s pretty much the opposite: people of an ethnicity live somewhere and national and regional boundaries just keep changing over the years. Germany’s a perfect example of that: before Bismarck there were Germans, but they were Bavarian or Hanoverian or Westphalian or Prussian, etc.; somewhat different cultures, foods, dialects, pretty much religions, and then they became united by more than a common language.
Ukraine is a gemisch, a tragic, tragic gemisch, and the worst part of all of this is trying to look ahead and see any minimally decent resolution for at least a couple of generations. Really: if you could wave a magic wand, who’d set the rules, pay the debt, get this thing on some kind of stable footing? And more to the point, how?
The AZ Empire has wrought different variants of the same destruction, dynamiting ancient fault lines in so many places just in this new century alone — how on earth can they be healed and made whole again?
The Coup Junta in Kiev has disqualified themselves to Eastern Ukraine by conducting a Coup, then downing the Passenger Plane, and we will see if this Global Display of Nazism will render any perceived legitimacy to the World as totally nonexistent by denying Humanitarian aid to those they claim are their fellow Countrymen who have long been the Victims of their Nazism.
We know that Nazis have No shame, not even in Europe, and we know that the Coup Junta in Kiev is taking their orders from their Puppet Master America.
With regard what to expect from the declining anglosaxon imperium, a recommeded reading:
The Moral Decoding of 9-11: Beyond the U.S. Criminal State, The Grand Plan for a New World Order
http://www.journalof911studies.com/resources/2013McMurtryVol35Feb.pdf
Paul II
Funny. As you certainly have noticed meanwhile I actually *did* write about “ukratine” not existing (but lots of parties/people/…).
Your “general” story brings another issue to the point. For the sake fairness one should mention though that not few Russian leading people *do know* that Russia already *is* in a war launched by uza some years ago. This war simply has reached a “hot phase” or well, lukewarm enough to be noticeable.
Re Atlanticism I agree, albeit not without stressing that “Atlanticism”, seen from a pragmatic perspective is but a euphemism for us-zionism which again basically comes down to observations that I try to avoid because most people in todays “modern” society are stupidized and brainwashed to a point where they easily feel really pissed off if confronted with the reality.
As a hint one wouldn’t be too far off if one investigated how, uhm, not exactly Europes social (or intellectual, for that matter) crème de la crème managed to make a journey that was unreachable even for most well educated citizens some few hundred years ago. Looking further one might find a rather tight correlation between what is the today citizens of iszael and the persons who then in those days made that journey feasible …
And, low and behold, it just so happens that the people who were crossing the atlantic then today happen to be the “men for the dirty work” (and the men to both kill and die themselves) of those who today love and support izrahell.
And yes, ceterum censeo americam delendum esse (“delendUM” because “delendAM” would be too generous).
Mr. Pragma @ 12 August, 2014 08:37
It has always been of importance – part of the explanation for the notions of opponents, our colleagues, our partners etc.
They had the added advantage of encouraging/reinforcing those who conflate appearance with reality.
As you are probably aware the only constant is change, the main variable velocity.
When I read about Anglo-Zio war against Russia I shake my head. It doesn’t explain why Israel negotiated and signed off with Gazprom the concession to sell their off shore natural gas. This gas wasn’t sold off to British gas whose in situ representative is war criminal Tony Blair the envoy to Israel and Palestinians from the Quartet. However, it explains why Putin held off the S-300 delivery to Iran and why Russia is not so critical of the Gaza operations. Anglo-Zio cons or neocons might be at war with Russia but Israel isn’t. Please remember that he West was incensed that Israel didn’t apply any sanctions against Russia and gets away with it.
To Nora, who wrote, “And while I believe that there might be a majority of ethnic Russians in NR — the best gauge we have is the language which people choose to answer the phone or go online, and that’s really language, not ethnicity per se — it does seem likely that most people there do consider themselves Ukrainian;”
Can you really mean this? I had never heard anyone knowledgeable about Donbass say it wasn’t certain that a majority of the residents are ethnic Russians. What basis do you have for believing the majority consider themselves Ukrainian? I thought it was common knowledge that some 60% or more of Donbass residents claim Russian as their native language.
Your position sounds dangerously close to what the West and Kiev want the world to believe. Or did I miss your point?
Apparently Ukraine is about to sign into law some dangerous new media censorhip. According to Reporters without Borders:
http://en.rsf.org/ukraine-ukrainian-parliament-approves-very-12-08-2014,46793.html
“This bill’s definitive adoption would represent a major setback for freedom of information in Ukraine,” said Johann Bihr, the head of the Reporters Without Borders Eastern Europe and Central Asia desk. “It gives the RNBO exorbitant powers to order the broadest forms of censorship on the basis of extremely vague criteria and with no safeguards.”
My question to those who understand internet technology better than I do: does Kiev have the capability to block Twitter posts coming out of Ukraine? Could the West be cut off from sources of first-hand news? How much will this impact what we know about Novorossiya?
Anonymous 23:30
Yes, you did miss my point. In brief, ethnicity, language, and national identity are three separate categories which may overlap or may not, and the last two are volitional. I.e., one can consider oneself a Ukrainian citizen of Russian descent who intensely dislikes the Kiev Junta and is willing to fight to defend his oblast, and country, from the violent fascists we put in power. I seriously doubt that’s anywhere near what the West and Kiev want the world to believe.
I’m going to be positive on the outcome regarding eastern Ukraine. I think that area will still have trouble, but hang on, and when winter comes along…and where is the gas, then I think Poroshenko might just find himself out of office by the end of the year, even dead.
To Nora, who said, “Yes, you did miss my point.” Thanks for your response, but you didn’t quite clarify my question. You said originally, “And while I believe that there might be a majority of ethnic Russians in NR … it does seem likely that most people there do consider themselves Ukrainian.”
There “might” be a majority of ethnic Russians in NR?? “Most” people there consider themselves Ukrainian?? This idea negates the whole justification for Novorossiya becoming part Russia, namely, that most do not consider themselves Ukrainian, at least culturally or historically, but rather Russian. Yours is the argument Kiev uses to justify uniting the country.
I understand Ukrainian is a separate language and culture, dating from before Ukraine joined the Russian Empire some 300 years ago, and that the majority in Western Ukraine are ethnically Ukrainian, while the vast majority in eastern and southern Ukraine are ethnically Russian. This is why the latter voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. Until I see evidence otherwise, I’ll have to dismiss your viewpoint.
I’d like to hear the opinion of someone such as Gleb Basov.
Anonymous 14:18,
Please re-read what I said and then read your history, dear. Ukraine is a made-up, cobbled-together country — the word itself means borderlands — and do check up a bit more about the Ukrainian language! Try to find some decent sources, of course — they’re out there. And if you do, you’ll discover that Western Ukrainians have every bit as much Russian in them as Eastern Ukrainians, except for the part that’s Polish, Romanian, etc. But they do have a very different history. Then try a bit harder to understand the distinction I made, bc it’s all right there.
Please learn more and at least try to find some facts to back up your allegations. Because right now you’re making no sense whatsoever and I don’t think it’s my responsibility to educate you, especially if you’d rather argue than learn.
@Nora,
Well said. It may be worth noting that according to many friends over many years in the Polish, Romanian and Hungarian diasporas, they feel the same way about Ukraine for the most part. It would seem as of they are encouraging the destabilization in order to get their homelands back that were annexed after the WW’s so that their “families” may be reunited and are not so fearful of Russia as the propaganda dictates. They have never liked “Ukrainians” and really do not trust them at all as they are considered a group of uneducated traitors and criminals no matter which group of oligarchs controls it. They also have some rather enlightening and oddly positive views with regards to both Germany and Soviets and consider them to be self serving agents of the UK’s banksters and responsible for the horrors of both WW’s. In other words, while they would not in the past and still don’t today say so loudly in order to “assimilate” without prejudice, they know who was, and is, behind the war-mongers.
To Nora, who said, ” I don’t think it’s my responsibility to educate you, especially if you’d rather argue than learn.”
You’ve attacked me personally, yet failed to address a single point I made. I believe the majority of people in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions are historically, ethnically, linguistically and culturally Russian. That is why they voted to join Russia. This is the idea I want to keep foremost in mind. It is one of the main justifications for Novorossiya’s existence.
I’ve noticed certain commentators expect others to present facts, but it when it comes to themselves, they “don’t have the responsibility to educate.”
I hope someone such as Saker or Gleb Basov might be willing to elaborate on the ethnic makeup of eastern Ukraine.
I find arguing very painful when so many lives are at stake.