Not confirmed, but maybe?! (+ open thread)

…the NATO takes Kaliningrad

https://twitter.com/CanadaNATO/status/504651534198927361/photo/1
and something else:
http://www.insiderdaily.info/2014/08/former-adviser-to-netanyahu-was-killed.html

mindful said…
Could someone here explain the strategic importance of the Azov Sea to the the Novorussians?
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That is pretty obvious. NAF can be easily supplied by Russia from the sea. And perhaps by shelling Kiev forces by the Russian navy, without a full scale invasion.

Kind regards,
Dutch

This might be one of the reasons for the recently imporoved strength of the Novorussians:

http://www.balkaneu.com/serbian-volunteers-donetsk/

It is otherwise a pro-EU presstitute outlet, but sometimes tidbits like this one are interesting. Nice to see that Serbs still know where they come from.

The junta Transcarpathian unit who decided to quit killing for the ZPC/NWO:

Через блокпост в Запорожье пытались проехать 400 вооруженных солдат, покинувших позиции в зоне АТО (Through the roadblock in Zaporozhye tried to pass 400 armed soldiers, who left the position in the area of the ATO)

http://reporter-ua.com/2014/08/27/cherez-blokpost-v-zaporozhe-pytalis-proehat-400-vooruzhennyh-soldat-pokinuvshih-pozicii-v (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/reporter-ua.com/2014/08/27/cherez-blokpost-v-zaporozhe-pytalis-proehat-400-vooruzhennyh-soldat-pokinuvshih-pozicii-v

“Through one of the checkpoints on the Orekhovskaya track yesterday tried to break through about 400 soldiers of the Ukrainian army. According to Deputy regional military Commissar Mikhail Logvinov, they were soldiers of the 5th battalion of the territorial defence…”

The translation is confusing, but there was some other unit that objected to the unit leaving. It appears it was eventually worked out and the unit was allowed to continue home. From the sound of this, it appears that the ZPC/NWO central command is losing their ability to enforce their orders to the troops. This unit’s pulling out could influence other junta units to call it quits. Hope so.

вот так

Сводка Информбюро армии Юго-Востока за ночь 28 августа: противник отступает и несет большие потери (Summary the office of the army of the South-East during the night of 28 August: the enemy retreats and carries a big loss)

http://rusvesna.su/news/1409208093 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/rusvesna.su/news/1409208093

” During the night the Germans continued to be intense shelling infrastructure and residential districts of Donetsk, Lugansk, Makeyevka, ospino and transfer.

The armed forces of the new Russia were active offensive and ambush on all directions.

National guard units “Cordon” when you try to exit environment in Amvrosievka were ambushed and suffered heavy losses. It killed up to 70 enemy personnel.

Under the onslaught of the forces of Novorossia junta troops were forced to retreat from settlements Slavianoserbsk, Crimean and Kirovsk.

During the clashes in the district Starobeshevo fighters DND captured four BTR-4, three BMP-2, three 100-mm antitank gun, “rapier”, self-propelled artillery 2C1 “Carnation”, four trucks and two terrain vehicle, previously seized by the Nazis from local residents, as well as warehouses with ammunition and military-technical property.

In the district of Ulyanovsk, disabused of the actions of the leadership of Ukraine and realizing the hopelessness of his position, surrendered 61 Punisher headed by the regimental commander Colonel Snootily.

At the Lugansk direction of the clashes took place near the village of point Fasika.

In the South DND opponent hastily removes units punishers from the city of Novoazovsk in the direction Mariupol. Forces militia captured checkpoints and bases on the Northern and Eastern part of the city, and the bridge over the river Gruzskoe the Elancik.

During a fierce battle at settlement Novokaterinivka fighters Novorossia destroyed two tanks T-64, nine BMP, up to ten cars, surrendered to 24 people. Losses in manpower of the enemy are specified.

According to preliminary estimates, in the period of the counter-offensive of the armies DND and LNR the Germans suffered heavy losses in manpower. The number of killed, wounded and captured over 750 people.

Only per night during fierce fighting, captured more than 130 occupants.”

вот так

The junta pulls an americanism* and grossly exaggerates the number of Novorussian casualties in Ilovaisk.

Командир ополченцев в Иловайске разоблачил ложь силовиков (The commander of the militia in Ilovaisk exposed the lie of the security forces)

http://lifenews.ru/news/139165 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/lifenews.ru/news/139165

“Leadership of security operations reported killed 225 soldiers army DND when the defense held a total of 100 people…

…”Well, of course, this is unrealistic, I have so many people were not. My whole company is 107 persons with all staff, including cooks and medics. At that time, when we were attacked, we had 100 people, ” said the company commander Givi. He said that in battle, killed his 16 fighters, 32 were wounded.

According to the commander, security forces attacked Ilovaysk from three sides: from the side of Kotelnikovo, Green, and from the village of Pokrovka. Militias were armed with anti-tank guns, RPG-7 and the SPG-9 and successfully repulsed the attacks of the enemy. Ukrainian infantry was superior to them in number three or four times…”

Givi is the commander interviewed in the “The Defence Ilovaisk – Report by Ikorpus – ENG SUBS” video posted here:

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-defence-ilovaisk-report-by-ikorpus.html

His head is bandaged, but he appears OK.

*Americans engage in these kinds of propaganda exaggerations routinely and have done so throughout their history. After the onflict is over, they only rarely go back and correct the exaggerations and these remain historical “facts” for Americans. Example, one among many, the Americans “shot down” over Korea more MiG-15’s than there were MiG-15s in that war.

вот так

Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic Alexander Zakharchenko.

About 3-4,000 Russian citizens joined anti-government fighters during Kiev crackdown in Ukraine’s east, says the leader of Donetsk independent republic, noting that self-defense fighters have never concealed this fact.

Kiev’s bloody eastern Ukraine campaign LIVE UPDATES

“They [Russian volunteers] are among us, people of Donbass [Region, eastern Ukraine] because we are blood brothers,” said the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Aleksandr Zakharchenko, in an interview to Russian media.

“There is no secret that among the volunteers from Russia there are many military men. They are fighting together with us because they understand that it’s their duty,” he added.

Salam AGS and Nora:

AGS, you nailed it! ~:)

And, to quote you. “Good always overcomes evil. No matter what evil may believe.”

Nora you asked, “what happens to us?”

InshaAllah (God Willing), first we will come out with our sanity and pride intact. The landing will be very, very soft as we started reversing the process. And, more importantly our civil liberties restored and environmental concerns truly addressed.

Though, as usual in the meantime the suffering continues as evil never gives up!

Best regards,

Mohamed.

Saker’s puzzlement over the claim of a Russian incursion is more than justified. The Foreign Policy press organ is most ambiguous even two days later: it talks of “NATO’s response to Russia’s latest incursion into Ukrainian territory”. but it goes on to say “Russian tanks, troops, and artillery reportedly crossed into a previously unbreached border of eastern Ukraine on Tuesday, Aug. 26, opening a third front near the city of Novoazovsk and leading Ukrainian forces into a chaotic retreat”. If it was the latest of a number, how can it be just something that reportedly took place?? FP also insinuates that it was not the first time (“latest” “previously unbreached”: this is the corning-the-goose technique at work…). One wonders what the chaotic reptreat was really owing to. The “reported” crossing opened “a third front”. So the upshot of ther article is the Russians are in there and fighting. If you have the stomach for it, the FP story is here:

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/08/27/russian_troops_in_ukraine_shape_nato_counter_to_putin

From 29 to 30 August in Yalta at the hotel “Yalta-Intourist” will be held the 2nd International Conference “Russia, Ukraine, New Russia: global issues and challenges.”

«Россия, Украина, Новороссия: глобальные проблемы и вызовы»

The conference was organized by the Centre of coordination “New Russia”.

According to the organizers of the main speakers of the conference will be:
Alexander Boroday – People’s Republic of Donetsk,
Alexander Brain – a representative of the People’s Republic of Lugansk,
Igor Fusiliers – the representative of the People’s Republic of Lugansk,
Glazyev – Academician, Advisor to the President of the Russian Federation,
(more)
http://qha.com.ua/borodai-mozgovoi-i-strelkov-priedut-v-yaltu-na-konferentsiyu-139386.html

http://izvestia.ru/news/575833?utm_source=Kazi+Media+Group

I don’t know if I’m the only one with these sentiments but I truly hope that the NAF or RF do not spare the lives of the Polish, US, African and other mercenaries.

Further, I hope war in Novorossiya leads to internal conflict in the doorsteps of the center of all conflicts of the world, Washington and London.

May these evil centers of the world rot from within.

Freedom to the true lovers of peace the world over!

ITAR-TASS is delightful this morning!

1. http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747032
“KIEV, August 28. /ITAR-TASS/. CyberBerkut anonymous hacker group released a new portion of the Ukrainian army’s hacked data on Thursday, showing large losses inflicted by east Ukraine militias on pro-Kiev troops.
Over the week of August 16-23 alone, self-defense fighters of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics seized 14 T-64 tanks, 25 infantry fighting vehicles, 18 armored personnel carriers, one armored reconnaissance and patrol vehicle, one Uragan multiple launch rocket system, two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery guns, four D-30 howitzers, four mortars, one ZU-23-2 air defense system and 33 vehicles, according to the hackers’ data.
“Therefore, our estimates alone show that the defenders of the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics seized 79 T-64 tanks, 94 infantry fighting vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers and 24 Grad multiple launch rocket from June 20 to August 23 during the Ukrainian military’s punitive operation,” hackers said.” Now they haven’t confirmed it yet, but still…

2. http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747039
Next headline: “Poroshenko cancels visit to Turkey, calls urgent Security Council meeting” over “the sharp deterioration of the situation” (his words) in Donetsk. He apparently had seven bilateral meetings scheduled during that Turkey visit. Too bad so sad.

3. http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747030

KIEV, August 28. /ITAR-TASS/. Hundreds of protesters blocked one of Kiev’s thoroughfares on Thursday demanding the resignation of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and urgent deployment of military hardware in the combat area in eastern Ukraine.

The protesters who gathered near the Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s headquarters are also seeking the resignation of Minister Valery Geletei and commanders of the military operation in the southeast.
Several unarmed servicemen are guarding the headquarters.”

Today should be pretty funny. Now that the NAF is winning, Pig Poroshenko is attempting to play the ‘Russian invasion’ card for real at the UNSC. An astute observer of recent propaganda would speculate that most of the ‘mounting evidence’ of official Russian involvement has been provided by Russia/Novorussia as part of propaganda operations. Let the Roman games begin.

A day after her Kiev visit, Mrs Merkel told German ARD television:
“There can only be a political solution. There won’t be a military solution to this conflict”
I’m not so sure about that, but then she added this interesting statement…
…if Ukraine opted to rejoin the Eurasian Union with Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia, then Europe would not make “a huge conflict” out of it.
I’m sure it wouldn’t, LOL.

One can assume her proposal was broached privately some time ago. Taken together, they indicate the EU is desperate to wash their hands of this mess, and not fully aware of what’s transpiring on the ground. More importantly, they form the context for the militia’s sudden reversal of fortune, and the breakneck speed at which its operations are expanding.

That context makes it critical that the new NAF maximize the facts on the ground before the start of the coming political negotiations. If the gains can be consolidated, Strelkov’s dream of a strategically important and economically viable Greater Novorossyia can be nursed back to health and into the Eurasian Union, while the EU gets left with a dysfunctional Banderistan stuck to its shoe.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-08-24/news/53166752_1_ukraine-crisis-pro-russian-separatists-eurasian-union

Erebus

At this moment, BradCabana reports that the Ukies have launched a massive counterattack, reversing much of the NAF’s recent gains.
This ain’t over.

@Patagonian:

Can you please email me the text of your translation?

Thanks a lot,

The Saker

Overnight, we give Thanks and pray for the brave Patriots of the LDPR:

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@ Anunnaki – the “up to 100 tanks”
It appears Oliphant took bits and pieces and made claims; but again, western media need not offer any proof. Western leaders run with the accusations. Facts, what facts

BUT there is this:

3-4,000 Russian “Volunteers” helping the self-defense fighters in DPR

Mr. Zakharchenko, the Prime Minister of the Donetsk Republic revealed there are 3-4,000 Russians giving a helping hand on the battle front. We have never concealed this fact.

Gotta love this; some are retired, some are active [RF] servicemen who took their vacation and instead of going to the beach, came to help.

He added that Russian volunteers prefer “to spend their summer holidays not at the seaside, but among their brothers who are fighting for the freedom of Donbass [Region, eastern Ukraine].”

= = = = =

Kiev’s hacked data:

East Ukraine militias seize large amount of Ukrainian armor

According to the hackers’ estimates, defenders of the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics seized 79 T-64 tanks, 94 infantry fighting vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers and 24 Grad systems

Not just a sharp deterioration of the situation. JUST GRIM in Kiev

Candy man Porky cancels visit to Turkey, calls Urgent Security Council meeting:

“I have decided to cancel the visit to Turkey in connection with the sharp deterioration of the situation in the Donetsk region, in particular in the Amvrosiyevka and Starobeshevo,” Poroshenko says.

And it begins: Before the elections huh?
Hundreds rally demanding Porky’s resignation

The protesters who gathered near the Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s headquarters are also seeking the resignation of Minister Valery Geletei and commanders of the military operation in the southeast

Ukraine soldiers: “We were deceived and abandoned”
http://rt.com/news/183280-ukraine-mothers-soldier-abandoned/

[.] “Protest are frequent near military bases.”[.]
= = = = =

Did VickiNu and McCain think this would be a Cookie Walk?

= = = = =

PM Alexander Zakharchenko, has vowed that the DPR will not remain a territory of Ukraine under any circumstance.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/746777

= = = = =

Who is gonna pick up the tab?

Before end of September the EU needs urgent acceptance of the inevitable or the face utter disintegration of Kiev. The looming gas crisis – (Ukie’s non-payment of $5 bln gas deliveries and a $5 bln repayment of bonds due to RF in 2015). Oops, Yatz said he needs $8 bln for infrastructure restoration in the east (or is for his Swissy?).

Mr. Putin estimates are for another $165 bln to bring Ukie up to EU standards.

Good luck with that.

Note to NAF: there is nothing like success to boost morale. Expect another 5,000 volunteers. As payback, just Take it all the way to Odessa.

God speed.

AM

Erebus,

Yes. And although pushback was pretty predictable and this whole thing is far from over, still I think you’ve given us the quote of the day:

“That context makes it critical that the new NAF maximize the facts on the ground before the start of the coming political negotiations. If the gains can be consolidated, Strelkov’s dream of a strategically important and economically viable Greater Novorossyia can be nursed back to health and into the Eurasian Union, while the EU gets left with a dysfunctional Banderistan stuck to its shoe.”

I still think Poroshenko will be lucky to be living in Israel by the end of September. They’re storming his palace right now. For all the wrong reasons, of course, but he’s in a bit of a bind, now isn’t he.

@Martijn That’s something improvised. I’d not feel very safe inside such a thing when the bullets started flying.

They have another improvised thing, a troop bus based upon an old vehicle that, because of its shape is called The Loaf. Looks almost like a VW camper van with some kind of wire mesh over its wheels and the glass of its windows covered in metal sheets and all painted green. I doubt it’d protect against a forceful spit let alone bullets.

Problem is that nobody ever died in the A Team shows. The bullets and bombs are for real in Ukraine. :(

Dear All,
I forgot to mention the obvious mechanism, as behaviourism would put it, for the Jewish leaders to lure the people to commit suicide and go to war. It is, as always is, fear, the selling of exclusivism and very seasoned with mistification. These are, unfortunately, not exclusive to jews. The Other is presented as subqualified and real life conditions are somewhat produced at times, to set the basis for further action.
Kind regards,
Patagonian

Oleg Anderson said:
Poroshenko and Kolomoisky are two great men.
These two jews managed to take revenge on the Ukrainians for everything:

Personally, I don’t care whether these men are Jewish, Christian, or whatever. I care only about their deeds, which tell me that they cannot be sincere in their beliefs, if they are Jewish at all. Let’s leave their alleged Jewishness out of the discussion, since it tends to paint all Jews with the same brush.

Large arms seizures by defence forces

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/08/28/east-ukraine-militias-seize-large-amount-ukrainian-armor-data.html

ITAR-TASS report on hackers’ claim that “Over the week of August 16-23 alone, self-defense fighters of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics seized 14 T-64 tanks, 25 infantry fighting vehicles, 18 armored personnel carriers, one armored reconnaissance and patrol vehicle, one Uragan multiple launch rocket system, two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery guns, four D-30 howitzers, four mortars, one ZU-23-2 air defense system and 33 vehicles.” The hackers declare ““Therefore, our estimates alone show that the defenders of the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics seized 79 T-64 tanks, 94 infantry fighting vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers and 24 Grad multiple launch rocket from June 20 to August 23 during the Ukrainian military’s punitive operation,””

“(…) The Donetsk self-defense fighters blocked over 7,000 Ukrainian troops and over 400 pieces of the armor, the militia headquarters said.”

“The pro-Kiev grouping trapped in the cauldron also included over 40 tanks, about 100 infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and airborne combat vehicles and about 50 Grad and Uragan multiple launch rocket systems, the militia headquarters said.”

+

So it’s bad news for Poroshenko who had cancelled a trip abroad due to “the sharp aggravation of the situation in the Donetsk region, particularly in Amvrosievka and Starobeshevo,”.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/08/28/ukrainian-president-cancels-turkey-visit-calls-security-council-meeting-over-donetsk.html

All sides want to hide how many killed. Will come out when its over. Sure many more junta soilders killed as they are the ones invading and the rebels can easily ambush them. Imagine this the might of the American military machine could not defeat the Vietnames, Afghans, Al Quada in Iraq, etc…American has not won a war since WWII (which Soviets really won). So there is no way in hell that the rag tag army of Kiev can defeat a popular rebellion.
a conventional army, no matter how good, cannot fight a determined guerilla army. Seen that over and over since 1945. That’s something that pisses me off too. The South should have feigned defeat and entrapped the Yankees in a guerilla war and the same with Germany in 1945. F*ck all this honor on the battlefield s*it. The idea is to win!

The only way they can win would be to totally flatten the place like Russia did in Chechnya and break the will of the resistance. To do that Kiev would need NATO. Sure NATO won’t risk full scale war with Russia over this. They may want to prolong the war for reasons of war profiteering (arms manufacturers) but wouldn’t want a real world war.

Dear All,
Thanks for those that proposed to leave out religion from the discussion. Indeed, otherwise, it is a non-starter.
Kind regards
Patagonian

Nora: Your idea of a lottery is perfect. Actually, with technology, we can (in effect) represent ourselves. Which is the way God intended B-T-W. The comments (and voices) on this blog-site and others are much more powerful than what we have in DC. Don’t know about you — but I stopped listening to them ages ago. If it comes out of DC (SOS) or MSM (also SOS) I literally and figuratively turn it off and state the Truth in contrast to their lies. The act of speaking Truth to lies is more than simply some “get-off” moment. It puts Truth into consciousness — which has HUGE impact. And that’s what we’re doing here.

To umbeddu citadels: Salam back to you my friend… “first we will come out with our sanity and pride intact”. The most important element of Truth is SANITY. Having a healthy mind requires a moral basis. Evil is always insanity. Fear is also insanity. When we take a moral stand we are dwelling in sanity.
The “pride-thing” is not as much of an issue for me. Americans have been largely “proud” of an illusion. I’d rather be sane than proud any day.

Finally — folks here are too concerned about what the US is doing — or will do — in any of these situations. To quote a rather good writer “All was confusion in the house of Oblonski”. The USG(SOS)is too busy looking in the mirror, seeing its fading beauty and youth wasted on zog triviality — hoping for some handsome distraction to heal the emptiness inside. USGs about to throw herself in front of that oncoming train — aka Building-7 and world opinion — hurdling down the tracks. (To my Russian friends — not every American you meet is totally ignorant of your great literature — I refer to it constantly in my descriptions — even in business — although few of my audience “get” the metaphor or literary allusion — but at least I put it out there…sigh).

Nora — don’t fret too much about the political process. I have little faith in any human or politician to save us. Even Ron Paul — as much as I admire him. Each of us is perfectly capable of “saving” ourselves. In that sense it doesn’t much matter who’s “in charge”. None of them are really. Don’t be limited by what the ballot-box says. We have the world at our fingertips. We can follow (read, ingest, dwell) any leaders or thinkers we choose. Americans never liked following “leaders” anyway. Frankly — our DNA was self-selected as driven-risk-takers. So, I’m perfectly happy with a Congress that’s feckless. Wouldn’t have it any other way.

I’m so grateful for the unfolding good in Novorussia. Wow. Those people deserve a break. For. Sure.

A

The Washington toadies are publishing their usual full spectrum of negative propaganda towards the Russian Federation (see: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-says-russian-denials-over-ukraine-absurd-2014-08-28?cb=logged0.3230708325777001 ).

The Eastern Ukraine pro-Russian separatists are brave, cunning and no how to defeat the fascists in Kiev. Little by little they will achieve their objective.

In Lviv, they are still running collections for funding the military. They have also pinned up lists of the names of the dead from Lviv alone.

The Novorussia army has been scanning the documents of the Ukrainian dead. This website has links –

“Thousands of passports, military tickets, tender letters to loved ones. Personal Affairs, dry reports of the commanders and naive children’s drawings from home. Soldier notebooks and unsent letters… Poroshenko, you bloody pig. You should be put to death on maganoy tree themselves protrusive Ukrainians. … Some almost children… Not to forget, ctco many of them were called back in April, believing that they caused a 10-day duties…”

The DPR and LPR will be the first Popular Republics ……. but more will come.

It’s a shame thay had to suffer so much, thanks to the USA and the EU have had to pay such a high price, but will not have been in vain because they expected a better and brighter future.

It´s give some envy, because they finally are removed from “the caste” above.

http://t.co/ECFZksJEZV

http://newleftreview.org/II/82/marco-d-eramo-populism-and-the-new-oligarchy

Fyi: the UN Security meeting is being sreamed live rightnow via thw CBC site. Please note that the CBC has updated their version of events at least 4 times this morning thus far…

UN Security Council holds emergency meeting after Russian tanks roll into Ukraine

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-un-security-council-holds-emergency-meeting-as-russian-tanks-roll-in-1.2749066

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-un-security-council-holds-emergency-meeting-as-russian-tanks-roll-in-1.2749066?autoplay=true

DumpHarper!

To AGS and Nora,

LOL! ~:)

I don’t know where did the name, “umbeddu citadels” popped up from. After much reflection, due to my senility, I must by mistake have typed the CAPTCHA “umbeddu citadels” at Name/URL. It didn’t go through, tried the CAPTCHA again, and it went through. Was too late then.

My bad! ~:)

Mohamed.

With regard to Putin’s estimates of money to bring Ukraine into a place where they were able to operate in the EU marketspace – that is not anything to do with rebuilding destroyed infrastructure.

The reason that Yanukovych pushed the EU deal aside was because he saw the same numbers as the junta saw and the junta tried to withdraw from the EU agreement as well! It did not d hem much good though.

The money refers to the costs of bringing Ukrainian business and legal systems into line with the EU. Stuff like moving quality standards from the GOST system used in the Russian Federation and the near abroad. This is all sorts of technical standards in many different fields. But there is not just a single EU standard, for example in steel production there’s at least German, British Italian and French – bear in mind that up until now most steel went in one direction – eastward.

Ukraine can not afford these costs, but the Association Agreement was not designed to produce an equitable playing field, its purpose was to open the Ukraine market up to an asset strip by EU and US firms – doubt me? Read the agreement, I have!

Now, of course the costs of association will be much, much higher and again nobody to pay them.

Russia still does not want Ukraine. My best guess is that they are seeking to create a land link between Transniestria running eastward across the top of the Crimean peninsula and toward the Donbass region. This was the region offered to Akhmetov as his kingdom recently.

Transiestria is a poverty stricken land locked area that depends upon Russia but with a recalcitrant Ukraine is being suffocated. I was there only once and I can tell you that any place that makes Moldova look well off is not in a good situation. They need some form of land bridge to the ‘world’.

I reckon that Moscow will settle for the cost of such a territory for the strategic benefits it offers and with the hope that the manufacturing centres in the east can be revitalised and subsidise the cost of the venture. What happens to Ukraine in such a scenario is anyone’s guess but I can imagine a retreat to a standard of living similar to Moldova’s where much of the rural economy is essentially cash free.

Of course, all this presupposes that the rebels can maintain their gains, finish off their job and defend the new frontier which will be a long one with a very narrow hinterland, easily split up by attackers.

It seems as if the situation has been ratcheted up a few notches. The original AP (Associated Propaganda) report was updated at least 8-9 x’s today we’re still documenting this) but check out the following and it is noteworthy that comments are disabled:

Ukraine crisis: Canada’s jets edge closer to Russian airspace
The Canadian Press Posted: Aug 28, 2014 3:19 PM ET Last Updated: Aug 28, 2014 3:19 PM ET

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Canadian fighter jets will be patrolling the edge of Russian airspace next week as part of NATO’s response to the unravelling situation in Ukraine.

At least four of the six CF-18s sent overseas by the Harper government earlier this year have arrived at Siauliai Air Base in Lithuania, where they will fly air policing missions over the Baltic states.

The formal handover of responsibility is expected to take place early next week.

The Canadian jets will be working alongside fighters from Portugal, Germany and Belgium, which will be carrying out flights from bases in another Baltic state.

The missions are meant to reassure European allies unnerved by Russia’s seizure of the Crimean Peninsula, as well as the military action currently unfolding in eastern Ukraine.

The jets, which had been based in Romania on a training exercise, are tasked with defending Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian airspace because those countries are unable to do so on their own.

The deployment comes against the unfolding backdrop of heavy fighting and an apparent Russian invasion, and brings Canadian fighters as close to Russian territory as they’ve been since the crisis began.

Ukraine claims Russian incursion

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called an urgent session of the national security council on Thursday after two columns of Russian tanks reportedly entered the country’s southeast earlier in the day.

“Destabilization of the situation and panic, this is as much of a weapon of the enemy as tanks,” Poroshenko told the security council, according to the Interfax news agency.

Russia’s latest escalation is an outrage that will have repercussions, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said as he called on President Vladimir Putin’s regime to halt its apparent invasion, as well as the flow of arms to separatists.

The Harper government will review what further sanctions and other measures can be taken, Baird said, but he stopped short of specifics about what sort of response could be expected.

Last spring, Prime Minister Stephen Harper described the annexation of Crimea as a “slow-motion invasion” of Ukraine. Baird said the events of the last few days indicate the Russians have accelerated their efforts.

“This is absolutely unacceptable, irresponsible and absolutely reckless,” he said in a conference call from Zagreb, Croatia.

“It is also deeply and shamelessly dishonest. While Russian President Putin talked about ceasefires with President (Petro) Poroshenko in Minsk, his military was busy fighting on Ukrainian soil.”

(cont’d…)

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(…cont’d)

NATO tracks Russian troops

NATO estimates that as many as 1,000 Russian troops are fighting inside Ukraine with an additional 20,000 clustered on the border as support — or reinforcements.

“Over the past two weeks we have noted a significant escalation in both the level and sophistication of Russia’s military interference in Ukraine,” said Dutch Brig.-Gen. Nico Tak.

“We have also detected large quantities of advanced weapons, including air defence systems, artillery, tanks, and armoured personnel carriers being transferred to separatist forces in Eastern Ukraine.”

The military alliance also released a series of satellite images supporting its claim.

Major U.S. banks, meanwhile, reported they were the target of a massive cyberattack that defence officials suggested may have originated in Russia.

Defence analysts expressed little surprise at that revelation, noting Russia’s military strategy involves the use of cyberwarfare to disrupt and cripple adversaries.

Baird called the recent events a “significant provocation” in advance of next week’s NATO summit in Wales, where the alliance’s leaders are expected to hold a special meeting with Poroshenko.

Asked to characterize the latest developments, Baird described Russia’s move as an “incursion” and an “invasion,” but stopped of short declaring it an act of war.

Ukraine is not a member of NATO, unlike other eastern European nations; the alliance is not automatically obliged to come to its defence.

© The Canadian Press, 2014
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Saker

You wrote “… Novorussian forces have bypassed Mariupol from the north and have entered the Zaporozhie region …”

Put it a bit different and it makes much more sense. I would write:

“… rebel activity, likely carired out by partisan sleeper cells, are said to happen currently also in the north and west of Mariupol as far as n the Zaporozhie region blocking roads there …”

We have asked ourselves for long why we see so few partisan activity outside the range of territory under Novorussia control.

Well, here it is problably. I’ld say, not a bad choice to start partisan activity now at these places.

On militarymaps.info it looks like Kiev manages to draw together enough military to seriously trouble their opponents.

Things might get a lot tougher for them very soon. Mayb now the army people found a reason to fight, too.

Nora — I agree with you that we are caretakers of whatever human material “good” we are given. It’s a blessing to live without fear or want — but if based on others misery — it doesn’t really profit us much. Good leaders make sure their “people” don’t go hungry. So yes, it is an honor, privilege and responsibility to help others in need. Oblesse oblige was the best quality of the old school Patricians. Some were better at it than others.

I call Congress feckless because they are. Focused on reelections and raising money. Not on the tedious grind of governing. And certainly not governing by constitutional principles. Each and every one of them are bought by some “group” or another. Most are Israel-firsters — which means they’re traitors to America. They’re an embarrassment to thinking Americans.

I don’t mean to denigrate your concerns. We are all worried about the future. I believe life is changing here and it may not be for the better in a material sense. I see this as a good thing. Not because I’m some “rapture” crazy (I know — its unkind of me to call them out — but they give Christianity a bad name…) but because I know that God is just. And regardless — we must play the hand we are dealt.

I’m sorry , why do I care again that a bankrupt former Russian state is being reunited with Russia again ?

See I DON’T care …The Ukraine is on the other side of the planet and has absolutely nothing to do with the United States …

Want to know what will change for not only me but every other American if Russia takes over all of the Ukraine …..NOTHING …..

besides the Ukraine is better off under Russian administration anyways , their country was near collapse before this started and the EU was NOT going to help them ….

The only reason Europe even cares about the Ukraine now is because they are scared of Russia and want them around as a buffer state , but they don’t REALLY want to provide any aid to that nation ….And we Americans don’t want any of OUR money spent on them either ….

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/03/373872/time-russian-bear-showed-its-fangs/