An important disclaimer, caveat and clarification
First, I will begin by a clear disclaimer which I ask you all to please carefully read and then keep in mind: I personally am not advocating any option for the final status of Novorussia. That is for the people of Novorussia to decide and any option that they will chose I will support. Furthermore, at this point in time I am not even personally sure what option I would recommend if asked to do so simply because the devil is in the details, not the big words. What I propose to do below is to look at a number of issues related to this question but that analysis should not be interpreted as a personal endorsement of any solution.
Second, I have carefully parsed the news out of Minsk, Novorussia and Russia and I am left with the strong feeling that nothing has really been decided, hence the apparent zig-zags and changing interpretations over the terms offered by the Novorussian delegation.
Third, I urge everybody to be extremely cautious with Russian news sources including Russian TV channels and RT. Why? Because Russia has a major stake in this fight and that I am absolutely certain that the Russian elites are split on what the best solution would be for Russia. There are also informal, shall we say, “groups of like-minded people” inside the Russian media who are trying to promote the interest of their patrons and supporters. And while it is would be an oversimplification to say that, for example, NTV stands for “position A” while RT stands for “position B”, I know for a fact that inside RT, NTV, Rossia, REN-TV and the rest of various groups have various agendas: one editorial board might have a very different position than another one, even inside the same media outlet.
Fourth, Russian interests should not be automatically conflated with the interests of Novorussia, just as the interests of the Russian and Novorussian elites should not be conflated with the interests of the Russian and Novorussian people. Seems obvious, but I feel that this should be clearly stated again because any agreement on the final status of Novorussia will be the resulting vector of the goals many very different interests groups and almost certainly end up being a compromise from which nobody will walk away with everything they want.
Having said that, now let’s look at how this all began.
How did we get here?
Six months ago all the eastern Ukrainians wanted were a) guarantees for the Russian language and b) fiscal autonomy. That’s it. Nothing else. As for Russia, her position was equally clear: a united and neutral Ukraine respectful of the civil rights of all its citizens. Sounds like a no-brainer, right?
As for the Ukrainian opposition, it officially wanted to remove an oligarch-controlled government and sign an Association with the EU. Again, pretty straightforward.
Now, think of it, a compromise solution was rather obvious: the election of a new, non-oligarch controlled government which would sign an Association agreement with the EU and commit itself to the civil rights of all Ukrainians, including the cultural and linguistic rights of the eastern Ukrainians. Yanukovich even went as far as to offer Iatseniuk the post of Prime Minister. So why did it not happen?
Because the protest movement was completely co-opted, hijacked, manipulated, controlled, financed, organized and run by the USA who used EU political elites and a group of bona fide Nazis to achieve regime change and draw the Ukraine into the AngloZionist sphere of influence. What they wanted was a Ukraine economically exploited by the EU and militarily owned by the US via NATO. This plan centered on not only severing away the Ukraine from Russia and its economic union with Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and others, but to also on severing the economic ties between Russia and Europe (an old US goal dating from the Cold War when the US did everything it could to prevent the USSR from selling gas to western Europe).
You can think of the Nazi freaks as the Ukie equivalent of al-Qaeda or ISIS: rabid hateful murderous lunatics who literally cannot contain their hatred and desire to oppress and murder. Of course, under US pressure, they tried very hard to act like sane and civilized people, but time and again they failed, hence the references to Russian speakers as sub-humans/non-humans, Timoshenko’s desire to use nukes to exterminate the “accursed Moskals”, the apparently crazy insistence that only Ukrainian be an official language or the equally imbecile categorical refusal of any form of federation. Needless to say, as soon as these crazies got to power, they immediately passed a series of fantastically stupid and provocative laws such as the re-authorization of Nazi propaganda or the repeal of the official status of the Russian language. Unsurprisingly, the folks in the east freaked out and correctly concluded that “the Nazis are back”.
As a result, a double dynamic was created: the crazies in the USA (the Neocons) directly threatened the vital/existential interests of Russia while the crazies in Kiev (the Nazis) directly threatened the vital/existential interests of the population of eastern and southern Ukraine. In doing so they left the Donbass and Russia no other option than to react and directly respond to that danger.
This is important because what has been done cannot be simply wished away and undone. Both Russia and Novorussia are now in a “survival mode” in which nothing short of a full elimination of these vital/existential threats will do. In other words, the US Empire’s AngloZionist project AND the Ukie Nazi experiment must absolutely and definitely be defeated and conditions must be created which will forever prevent it’s reemergence.
Where do we stand now?
First, I would argue that the Junta repression force (JRF) has been defeated. Not strategically (if only because it enjoys an immense strategic depth and still huge human and material resources), but operationally. All the signs are that the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF) are careful not to over-play their hand or push too far to the west, so things look very good for Novorussia right now. Second, the Junta has also been defeated politically: if in the past the Ukrainian people had an oligarch-controlled government, now they have a government of oligarchs. And they know it. Furthermore, the Nazis have shown their true face (Odessa, Mariupol, MH17, MLRS and ballistic missiles used on civilians with white phosphor and cluster munitions, etc.). Third, predictably, the Ukie economy is in free fall and for all practical purposes the Ukie industry is dead. I would call that a full-spectrum failure for the Junta.
Uncle Sam is not doing much better: Crimea is lost forever, the Donbass is also lost for all practical purpose, Putin is more popular than ever, the EU tensions with the US are up (the Czech and Slovak republics have both announced that they will veto any further sanctions against Russia), and the US puppet-junta in Kiev has completely lost control of the situation.
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As for the EU, it truly screwed-up badly. The recent election of Donald Tusk and Federica Mogherini to the positions of President of the EU Council and EU Foreign Policy Chief is definitely good news, but it is also too little too late. The mess left behind by Catherine Ashton and Herman Van Rompuy will take years of painful efforts to clear. Besides, that other crazy, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, is still there, every bit as crazy and pathetic as always. But for all the hot air blowing out of Rasmussen and a few more EU politicians, the EU has no stomach for more sanctions, much less so an ugly sanctions war with Russia. The Russians know that, and so all they have to do now is wait for the fruit to become ripe (or rotten, really) and fall down on their lap.
There will be a NATO summit next week in Wales were Obama and his Neocon coterie of foreign policy advisors will most definitely push for a series of anti-Russian measure backed by very loud and macho statement about how Russia must be stopped, Europe protected and the NATO recognized as absolutely indispensable. More men, more guns, more threats and, last but not least, more dollars for the US military-industrial complex. Russia, however, will remain unimpressed for a very simple reason: the US and the EU have already been at the maximal anti-Russian policies for many years already. In fact, the only anti-Russian policies which the AngloZionist Empire has not adopted yet are those which would hurt it more than they would hurt Russia. Put differently, from now on any anti-Russian sanctions adopted will, by definition, hurt the AngloZionists more than they will hurt Russia (which they still will, of course). The conclusion is obvious: the West simply cannot afford a sustained sanctions war against Russia.
There is still a real danger out there
The problem with the AngloZionists is that they are arrogant and stupid enough to stumble into a variant of the Israeli “Samson Option“: to strike out at their enemy even if that means bringing down the entire building on themselves. Contrary to many analysts, I don’t think that the Americans are actually dumb enough to deliberately start a war against Russia, much less so a nuclear one, but they are arrogant enough to paint themselves into a corner in which the only way to save face is to use military force. They are also capable of creating an extremely dangerous military situation in which even a firecracker can set off a shooting war (remember the insane USN posturing in the Strait of Hormuz or in the Taiwan Strait?). The Russians must absolutely remain aware of this danger and thus never assume that the Americans are rational or prudent. History proves that they are reckless and happy to create a situation resulting in war (US policies towards Japan before WWII are a perfect example).
Now let’s look at the options for Novorussia
As I have mentioned already, the devil is in the details, but there are basically to main options for Novorussia 1) full (de facto and de jure) independence 2) practical (de facto but not de jure) independence. I honestly believe that any other option which would fall short of de facto independence is simply impossible to achieve. The Novorussians will not live under Kiev’s police or military, they will not pay Kiev more than purely symbolic taxes and they will most definitely not accept any limitation of their cultural, linguistic and economic rights, including the right to do business directly with Russia. I consider that option as so unlikely, short of a massive and sustain bloodbath, that I won’t even consider it any further. So let’s look at the two remaining options.
a) Full (de facto and de jure) independence: Novorussia
Advantages: Security: possibility to either join Russia or sign a mutual assistance treaty which could include the basing of Russian forces in Novorussia. This would provide the ideal and maximal protection from any future attacks from the Ukies. Economy: no taxes paid to Kiev, association with Russia, full access to the huge Eurasian market, work for the Russian industry, social rights paid for by Russia (as part of an aid package). The joy of having fully won and to not have to deal with the crazies in the western Ukraine. Full and total de-Nazification.
Disadvantages: maximalist position which leave no face saving way out for the crazies in Kiev and Washington, major difficulties in being internationally recognized. This option also leaves all the rest of the ex-Ukraine in the hands of the AngloZionists and Nazis who will constantly sabotage, subvert and disrupt the life of Novorussia. There is a real chance that this might mean leaving cities and regions like Odessa, Dniepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Chernigov, Nikolaev and many other historically Russian part of the ex-Ukraine to whatever regime is in power in Kiev. Constant military danger: the current Ukie Minister of Defense promised a victory parade for the Ukie forces in Sevastopol, I kid you not. You can imagine what folks like him will have to say to an independent Novorussia. Key problem: this maximalist position leave no incentive whatsoever for Kiev to negotiate.
b) Practical (de facto but not de jure) independence: “Ukraine v2”
Advantages: Novorussia already gets much more than what it wanted six months ago (see above). By preserving the fiction of a unitary Ukraine this solution leaves everybody a face saving way out and the major outside actors (Russia, US, EU, UN, OSCE) can all sign the deal and be declared guarantors. Also, if Novorussia is nominally part of the “Ukraine v2” then it gives the people of the eastern Ukraine (who are the richest, best educated majority of the Ukrainian population) a chance to counter-act and challenge the rule of Nazis in Kiev and maybe serve as a basis to bring down the current “Banderastan” and replace it instead with a “Ukraine v2”. Furthermore, a united Ukraine would be in a much better position to receive desperately needed international aid and money to rebuild. Considering that at least initially the Nazi freaks would remain in power in Kiev we can be pretty sure that they will further destroy even the little left of “Banderastan” and that, sooner or later, some regime change will occur. If the new regime in power is more or less sane, the eastern Ukraine could demand that those responsible for the mess be brought to trial and that a “truth and reconciliation” type commission be formed.
Disadvantages: There is a real risk that the Poroshenko regime will fall and be replaced by a Iarosh dictatorship. Alternatively, southern Banderastan might break away from Kiev and for a “Kolomoiskistan”. Either way, the collapse of the Poroshenko regime risks sucking in the Donbass into a 2nd phase of the civil war with no option for overt Russian aid (covert aid would, of course, be provided). Even the notion of being represented by Nazi freaks in Kiev or to put up with a Ukie flag would be sickening for all those who died in defense of Novorussia. Furthermore, if the deal does not look solid or stable, far from coming back home from Russia, even more Novorussians would “vote with their feet” and emigrate to Russia. Nowadays, even the people of Crimea are still nervous and Russian politicians, including Putin, have had to constantly tell them “no, this time it’s forever, we will never abandon you, this is not something which will ever be overturned”. If the folks in Crimea are worried about their future even though they are now legally part of Russia, you can imagine how frightened and unsure the people of Novorussia would be in any kind of “association” with Kiev, even a purely formal one.
These are only a few examples, there are many more which could be listed as advantages and disadvantages for both the independent Novorussia and the “Ukraine v2” option.
My very highly speculative and personal guess
Russia’s preferred option
I think that Russia would prefer a Ukraine v2 version. From the point of view of Russia, it has a lot of advantages (like forcing the “Ukraine v2” to adopt a completely neutral, non-aligned, status). As I have always said, Russia does not want or need the Ukraine. What it wants is a stable, neutral and prosperous Ukraine, and not because Putin and the rest of the folks in the Kremlin are saints or Ukrainophiles, but because that is for the objective best interest for Russia. The only thing Russia needed it already got: Crimea.
To those of you who might be appalled at the notion of a less-than-fully-independent Novorussia or a “Ukraine v2” I will say that I very much doubt that Russia can impose such an outcome on the people of Novorussia. Sure, I am not naive, Zakharchenko and current Novorussian leaders got their power in a Moscow-backed change of leadership, so their ties to Moscow are very close, but the real power of Zakharchenko & Co. is that they have the support and consensus of the vast majority of the people of Novorussia, especially those fighting in the NAF. I never believed in a “sellout” of Novorussia (even though I always feared it), and I am confident that should such a “sellout” occur the only real force in Novorussia – the NAF – will never let it happen. Likewise any such “sellout” would trigger a severe political crisis for Putin.
All this is to say that while I do believe that, given the choice and option, Putin and his advisors would prefer a de-facto but not fully de-jure semi-independent Novorussia inside a very loose “Ukraine v2” I do not believe that a “sellout” is either what they want or even something they could do: the ultimate guarantor of the de-facto independence of Novorussia is not Putin or Russia, but the armed men of the NAF.
Novorussia’s preferred option
What would the people of Novorussia and, especially, the NAF prefer?
I honestly don’t know but I suppose that full independence is their preferred goal. Still, the situation is complex and there are very solid argument speaking against such an option and for a “Ukraine v2” (as there very are solid arguments speaking in favor of a fully independent Novorussia and against a “Ukraine v2”).
One could also make a case that right now is not the correct time to make this choice. For one thing, nobody knows who will be in power in Kiev in just a few months. The winter is coming and the gas negotiations are becoming huge. Depending on what NATO does or does not decide, one of the other option might become a clearly better choice (just imagine NATO forces in Kiev!).
We have to give time to time (French expression)
The examples of Korea, Cyprus, Kosovo, Transnistria and many others show that sometimes the only solution is not solution at all. The examples of Ireland or Chechnia show that some solutions are not at all the ones initially considered. Furthermore, I would want to add here that the real end-goal of Russia in the Ukraine is not getting Crimea or saving the Donbass, but to achieve real regime change in Kiev. Only that option would be an outcome which would really please Moscow and, if we keep that in mind, it is not at all clear to me that full independence for Novorussia is the best way to get there. And let us also ponder this question: what is better for the people of Novorussia, full independence from the Ukraine or real, lasting, regime change in Kiev?
Just as in chess, time and timing are crucial pieces on the board. Those who over the past few months were hysterically accusing Putin of being a traitor who will backstab the Novorussians simply failed to appreciate the importance of time and timing in strategy. I am sorry to say that, no offense intended, but many people in the West have been raised, educated and trained in a culture of instant action-reaction, of immediate, almost kneejerk, responses. They are used to consider only short-term rapidly achievable options. Russia, and even more so China, are very different in this prospect. These two nations build their immense countries by slow and steady progress, not by short pushes. And though the Russian in the street might also prefer a fast solution to the Ukrainian problem, the folks in the Kremlin, especially former intelligence officers like Putin, fully realize that the “Ukrainian problem” is 400 to 800 years old, depending on how you define it (please read this and this if you are interested) and that it will not be solved in a few months. This is especially true considering that in the current situation the real cause and force behind the current Ukrainian crisis is the AngloZionist Empire.
The real, “real”, goal of Putin (and Xi Jinping!)
As I have mentioned it here many, many times, the real “real” end-goal of Russia is not even regime change in Kiev: it is regime change on the planet. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that both Russia and China want to create a New World Order, but one very different one from the one envisioned by Bush, Fukuyama, Obama and the rest of the AngloZionist 1%ers. Russia and China want a complete deconstruction of the AngloZionist Empire, they want to de-dollarize the world economy, the want an multi-polar international world order in which the rule of law is respected because it is understood that it is the most advantageous way to deal with problems. Russia see its future in her North and in Siberia, China wants its economy to go global, including the Far-East Asia and the Pacific region, Africa and Latin America. Russia also wants to role of Latin America and Central Asia to become more important because without these continents and regions there can be no truly multi-polar world. I would also argue that both Russia and China are rejecting the western civilizational model and it’s key dogmas (I won’t list them here lest I offend or infuriate new readers, but my longtime readers know exactly what I mean) and that they are both seeking to create not only a different world order but a different civilization. All this is much, much bigger than the Donbass or even the entire Ukraine. Yes, at this moment in time, the frontline of the global civilizational war is going straight across the Ukraine, but this is only one battle in a much bigger and wider war.
Judging by some very telling statements of Zakharchenko in his recent press conference, I am confident that he understands that very well. I have no doubt whatsoever that Putin does.
Conclusion
The main conclusion I hope that you all will draw from the above is that we should not jump to conclusions and avoid making big sweeping judgments. If I have convinced you that this is a very tricky, complex and multi-dimensional issue then I am satisfied. If I get another deluge of one sentence slogans in favor of either option, then I failed. As I said, I am not sure that anybody really knows were this is all taking us. For one thing, the Ukies and their western patrons have reneged on every single agreement they have signed since last Fall and there is really no rational reason to expect them to stick to anything they might sign this time. Or maybe these negotiations will lead nowhere and the chaos and “somalization” of the ex-Ukraine will continue. The other day Putin said this: “no matter where the US gets involved they always achieve the same result: Libya“. That is quite true and maybe a libyalization of Banderastan needs to happen before everybody comes to his/her senses. Or maybe, this is terrible to say, is the situation more similar to the one in Chechnia in 1999 when a lot of people had to be simply physically eliminated, killed, before any solution could be found (sadly, but Nazis and Wahabis have that in common that the only way to deal with most of them is to kill them). I honestly don’t know.
So let us keep an eye on this incredibly fluid, complex and dangerous situation and not pretend like it is simple and the solution obvious.
Stay tuned, as always, I will do my best to keep you posted.
Kind regards and many thanks,
The Saker
PS: this is yet another one of my “written in one shot between several other committments” posts, so please forgive the bad grammar, spelling, syntax and style. I simply physically do not have the time to correct this. Sorry, gotta run :-) The Saker
After a victorious Civil War, the only real outcome can be total independence for Novorossia. (Of course it’s not victory yet – it’s just looking that way, and more with every passing day.)
Plus, Ukraine just cut of Crimea’s power, reminding Russia that Novorossia has to extend all the way to the Don.
Dear Saker,
I would personally suggest not using terms like “AngloZionist”. For one thing, it conflates an entire nation’s people as Anglo (the US) which is patently false.
Secondly, the role of leaders in the US in Ukraine and elsewhere is hardly a pure Zionist component – and more than the Soviet Union was Zionist due to the presence of Jews like Beria.
If, instead, you point towards the political and economic elite in the US – that would be far more accurate.
Don’t fall into the trap where the good work you do is obscured and trivialized due to the use of incorrect and politically loaded terminology.
Dear Saker, a brilliant analysis.
IMO Ukraine, at the very end, will split in two parts because the hate sown by Kiew will not be forgotten in the coming 100 years. Broke Europeans will be presented with the bill for criminal US and EU follies.
It appears though that some Americans are able still to think in sane terms.
An open letter to Angela Merkel from US Intel Vets:
Warning Merkel on Russian ‘Invasion’ Intel
September 1, 2014
Alarmed at the anti-Russian hysteria sweeping Official Washington – and the specter of a new Cold War – U.S. intelligence veterans took the unusual step of sending this Aug. 30 memo to German Chancellor Merkel challenging the reliability of Ukrainian and U.S. media claims about a Russian “invasion.”
MEMORANDUM FOR: Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: Ukraine and NATO
We the undersigned are long-time veterans of U.S. intelligence. We take the unusual step of writing this open letter to you to ensure that you Warning Merkel on Russian ‘Invasion’ Intel
September 1, 2014
Read at Consortiumnews, Robert Parry
Thanks again for your insightful postings.
Samantha
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I wish someone could translate what is written on the note of US$ 100 in this video posted by BradCabana on Twitter.
I think it must be something very interesting …
https://twitter.com/BradCabana
I support the kill them all part of any solution.
1. Oligarchs
2. Nazis
3. Pederasts
4. Human organ traffickers
5. Greedy banksters
6. Politicians seeking re-election
7. Drug dealers
8. Sex traffickers
9. Fat clergy
10. Media that disseminate lies and spin
11. People who shoot down airliners or make them “disappear”.
12. Anyone who doesn’t respect the dignity of another human being and most dogs.
[Killing can be reduced to a pie in the face or a kick in the ass. It’s optional for some categories. Use your good judgment.]
Mamma mia che articolone!
Complimenti al Saker (ma dove la trova tutta questa energia?) per il lungo ma dettagliato e interessante ,come sempre, articolo.Condivido la sua visione di una lotta per il Nuovo Ordine Mondiale dove si scontrano i “Cabalisti” vs Luminari.
Putin,Obama e Porosenko fanno parte del Gioco.
I Popoli fanno la parte della Vittima. In mezzo c’è la sopravvivenza dei viventi,tutti.
Ciao.
All of these offers and counteroffers, and talks and breakups of talks are just a smokescreen that obscures the reality on the ground.
That reality is as simple as it is obvious: Novorossia is gaining in strength and has a REAL support of Eurasia’s most powerful country, while Ukraine is hemorraging whatever little energy it has left, and has only moral/verbal backup of a useless, cowardly EU/NATO (and no, EU/NATO will not become stronger, both are fiscally constrained and demographically challenged, so only weakness and more weakness lies ahead).
What we do know by now is that Russia is deadly serious about Novorossia, which means that by the end of the day this new beautiful and noble country will encompass all of the contemporary Ukraine’s Black Sea Coast, as well as Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk. and Moldova’s Transnistria and Gagauzia.
They are not stopping within Lugansk and Donetsk.
In Eastern Europe, Russia giveth and Russia taketh away.
“Russia Invades Ukraine”, Strategic NATO Public Relations Stunt. Where Are The Russian Tanks?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39543.htm
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/01/can-tell-whether-russia-invaded-ukraine/
Warning Merkel on Russian ‘Invasion’ Intel
September 1, 2014
Alarmed at the anti-Russian hysteria sweeping Official Washington – and the specter of a new Cold War – U.S. intelligence veterans took the unusual step of sending this Aug. 30 memo to German Chancellor Merkel challenging the reliability of Ukrainian and U.S. media claims about a Russian “invasion.”
MEMORANDUM FOR: Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: Ukraine and NATO
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/01/warning-merkel-on-russian-invasion-intel/
I have to admit that I have always preferred the Ukrainian v2 option though my preferences are quite irrelevant to what has happened in the last three months.
The is one major problem with v2: it will likely leave the political power of the neo-Nazi forces intact. In that case, they will be in a position to prevent or subsequently sabotage any of the reforms required for v2. It is also impossible to see how national elections could ever be fair. Today it is inconceivable that any candidate who supports close ties with Russia could run in the west or any Ukrainian nationalist could run in the east. Feelings are just too strong so a v2 Ukraine would have to forget about national elections.
Unfortunately, more war might be the only solution right now. Preferably, we will see the right-wing forces suffer an irreversible defeat. That means the civil war will need to move to the west. Perhaps a coalition of oligarchs and fed up Ukrainians will attempt a de-nazification program.
The most cogent part of Saker’s observations for me is the reality that the rulers thrown up by the US system, at home and in the client states, are either insane or worthless. In the USA the insanely aggressive belligerence and maniacal self-righteousness match that of their puppet-masters in the Israeli elite. There is a definite Judeo-Christian Zionist cult of utter supremacism that has thrown up creatures like Netanyahoo, Bennett, Lieberman(s), Cheney, Obama and the insane Harpies Powers, Rice and Clinton and many, many, more. A representative of this cult, in the propaganda field and in subversion inside Russia, the hideous Masha Gessen, is currently an honoured guest here in Australia. She appeared on our state TV, the ABC last night, spewing so many lies and slanders that one might almost be impressed by her chutzpah. The local Rightwing drones listened mesmerised as the lies, lies known to even the least informed to be untruths, were not just accepted, but she was treated almost as some sort of admirable person, perhaps even a ‘celebrity’. She is here to ‘interview’ two of the Pussy Riot harridans, imported to spread anti-Putin hate. The MSM again openly speaks of MH 17 being caused by Putin and the ‘terrorists’ aping the Nazi junta in Kiev. I would bet that war with Russia is a near certainty, with those in power being insane, ignorant and infinitely vicious.
Dear Saker,
Thank you dearly for your excellent analysis.
It very much appears that time and timing is needed for the paradox return in full to claim the Ukranian internal crisis to unfold fully. It seems that after the sudden turning point that somewhat could be intuited, this internal crisis is to mature to the fullest and in turn to claim payment time to the crumbling hegemon and its ruling maffia, and particularly the role of the MSM. This could further increase the freedom for Novorossya to play it further. But it also appears that the internal crisis of the oligarchs does not allow them to reach an agreement. Mariupol is to fall, feed Novorossya until next year while NAF consolidates fronts and props new excursions.
All is just to sudden and fresh, and the power disputes in the Russian elite will be framed in terms of this waiting time. The pending imminent problem is life in Novorossya and the refugees.
Kind regards and thank you again.
Patagonian
Theodore Svedberg, there cannot be a de-Nazification in Ukraine because the USA, which always prefers Nazis, fascists and psychopathic butchers as allies and shock-troops, will not allow it. If the Novorossyans stay in Ukraine, and the junta stays in power, the Nazis will slowly subvert Novorossya, and murders, assaults, ‘disappearances’ etc grow. The Nazis have been promised land (lebensraum) in eastern Ukraine for driving the Moskali out, and they won’t given up that quest.
“First, I would argue that the Junta repression force (JRF) has been defeated. Not strategically (if only because it enjoys an immense strategic depth and still huge human and material resources)”
Saker, the country with one of the lowest birthrates in the world and GDP per capita on African level, cannot possibly posess “huge human and material resourses”. You must have taken that fantasy out of Yarosh’s head.
Saker, You are like a Flashlight in the Darkness. I adhere hundred percent to everything you have said in this essay. The AngloZionist Empire is drunk with power. They will stop short of nothing to sustain their dying diabolic structure. Mainly because their leader never have to provide for the shed blood. One hundred or one million dead still the same to them. I believe Putin understand that clearly. Russia and China are making their strategic move preparing for a checkmate to the Empire.
The Utopia solution:
1. Immediate independence of Novorussia.
2. Strict federalization with very quick incorporation of other separatist ministates (Transnistria, Gagauzia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia come to mind) with 2 main common interests – pure economy and defense.
SCO might support the federation early on, easing the way to UN. And if the hard-worker mentality overcomes the inherent eastern corruption, they have a chance eclipsing even Russia rather soon!
Excellent piece.
I argued a week or so ago in comments that Partition was inevitable because the West could only be embarrassed at what it has been paying for. And of course once you start bombarding the homes of your countrymen, you can’t really do much but divide the country into two or more.
But… How does that leave things? EU/US gain control over three quarters of Ukraine, and in a 12 month perspective Russia loses its very strong influence over three quarters.
Big plus for US, neutral for EU who will pick up the tab, and a very big minus for Russia. (You are right to point out the different stakeholders in all this – the elites and the peoples. But I can’t help thinking the decisions that matter will be made in Moscow. In chess terms they have the tempo and everyone else can only react.).
So do the Russians really want control again of Ukraine? Just regime change there? or are they just happy to keep Russian speakers safe from harm?
I’m English and live in Poland. Bizarrely everyone here tells me of the great Russian empire building program of Putin. I ask them – do you know nothing of World history for the last 25 years? They can only tell me what they know of the previous 200. They say Britain was an empire – so I should understand why the Russians so desperately need to get back to where they were.
But the 20th century declining British empire was just like the last 25 year of the Soviet empire. We let blocks of territories go too simply and never sorted out borders (India leading to massive bloodshed immediately, the middle east and bloodshed later). We helped put the wrong people in wrong places (Israel). And the battles, real, terrorist or diplomatic, we fought were all about protecting pockets of native Brits about the world (N Ireland, Falklands, Hong Kong, Gibraltar or even the 19th century Boer war, and British interests in Suez).
Over simplified independent territories (Ukraine, Georgia, Latvia), protecting pockets of native Russians (the same examples).
In other words, perhaps Russia will settle with just protecting his flock.
(But I would just love it if he marched straight through to Lvov).
To Everyone Saying Russia Is “Isolated”, Here’s A Map
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/everyone-saying-russia-isolated-heres-map
FYI
http://www.breitbart.com/Columnists/Robert-Moynihan
Why do you use this very weird expression, “anglo zionists”? I don’t understand what Israel has to do in this war. Unless you think maybe that “zionism is everywhere”? I thought that the guys thinking this way were on the other side… I’m not cumfortable with this at all, even if my support goes of course to Novorossia.
Saker, I think you’re right – it’s too early to talk outcomes right now, as the major strategic objectives are yet to be achieved. This will take time.
@ Anon 21:32
Instead of Anglo-Zionist, etc. I have started to use the term Naziocon, which seems to cover nearly all the bases.
The Ukraine v2 option reminds me of what happened after the Irish rebels signed a treaty with Britain that gave Ireland (except for the North) nominal independence. It resulted in the Irish Civil War (which was won by the pro-treaty faction). The split of the North and the South had far reaching consequences that remain to this day.
Might there be a Novorussian Civil War between those supporting the deal with Ukraine and those against it?
Eastern Ukraine / Western Ukraine
The current situation in Ukraine should be viewed as a battle for hearts and minds on a worldwide scale.
The Russians have their plan and it is currently working in tandem with the NovaRussian forces who are having sweeping successes in freeing NovaRussia of the Nazi Ukrainian military.
Is it logical to assume that the plan involves NovaRussia driving west beyond Odessa to the Romanian border thus removing Ukrainian access to the Black Sea and just important no Ukrainian ports of call for US NATO warships.
Also the border of NovaRussia (Eastern Ukraine) will be the Dnipro with the NovaRussian forces gradually moving up to reach Kiev by December where they will be welcomed with open arms by the vast majority of the freezing, hungry western Ukrainian population. Gas will flow and Russian humanitarian aid will be the order of the day.
Politics will then emerge and the remains of the Nazi junta will be put on trial and those Ukrainians who do not wish to live in the east will move to the west of the Dnipro to Western Ukraine and the EU.
US NATO reaction will be muted because by then they will have realised that the BRICS led by Russia and China literally have them over the barrel. In this case an oil barrel. All the Russians have to do is state that all payments for their oil and gas will have to paid in any currency other than US $ as the Chinese currently do using the Rinminbi.
No petrodollars equals the end of US hegemony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGPzDq45gM
“History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake”. James Joyce
“I don’t know which weapons will be used to fight the Third World War but I do know which will be used to fight the Fourth – clubs and rocks”. Albert Einstein
Peace be with those who search the light in all this dark. This is you, Saker. Thank you.
In an otherwise excellent analysis, the blank spot for me is a critical one: the differences in goals and relative power between what appear to be the two major power structures in Novorussia at present – the NAF and the regional oligarchs.
If, as seems to be the consensus on the SAKER site, the Ukrainian political economy, including the east, is controlled by oligarchs, it is important to know how they are using the conflict to maintain their control, and to what extent the creation of the NAF presents the potential for wresting power away from the oligarchs.
So far the only mention from the NAF of the oligarchs was a brief one in the first press conference announcing the creation of the NAF.
If anyone has an analysis of the present state of power relations in Novorussia the might shed light on the political and economic future ordinary citizens might expect after all their suffering, I would like to hear it.
The Kiev government won’t settle for anything less than conquest of the donbass so the v1 v2 alternatives are unlikely unless NATO/US orders them to accept a partition. So more likely alternatives might be v3 – conquest of the donbass v4 -collapse of the Kiev government or maybe v5 – anarchy and continual conflict where Ukraine dissolves into warring fiefdoms with the eastern portion controlled by NR. I don’t know how harsh the winters are in Ukraine but there’s a risk of the west with no heating fuel and the east with a devastated infrastructure and large numbers of civiliians on both sides freezing. The present tent city for the Ukrainian refugees in the Rostov is unsuitable for the winter and the Russians have to figure out where they will go. Personally in my own simple minded American way, I always thought Ukraine was part of Russia and that Kiev was a Russian city and I don’t understand how it ever got separated in the first place.
I totally agree with you about the current situation and the different options. All this is not a sprint but a marathon. This are looking good right now, and that must be slowly pushed forward. Throughout the war I have kept confidence in both the Russian and Novorussian leadership. I see no reason to change this. And you are right, we need a different world and Moscow can be the only guarantee that we will get it.
Wish you added an elaborate guess of what is AngloZionist ultimate goal here and how much are they willing to sacrifice (read:pay) to achieve that. Perhaps that would give us a wider picture of what is in stake here. Nuland claimed they already spent 5 bil to provide Maydan, how much more can/will they spend? Junta is willing to host NATO base as close to RF as possible, and I believe NATO will attempt to use this historic chance to get closer to the Bear, no matter what happens to Ukie economy or lifestyle.
Hence I think leaving west Ukraine out of (Novo)Russian control would be a bad choice.
NAF must completely defeat junta, across entire country.
Besides, isnt’t it legal in Ukraine to wipe out elected government and replace it with street rebels?
The NAF is the revolutionary front line in the war against global fascism. I am honored to support their struggle against the capitalist pigs in the US and the EU. I will honor their sacrifices each day for the rest of my life. The NAF – with the backing of the Russian Federation – are the first revolutionary army of the post-USA future. We are witnessing the birth of a new world. The conflict is fought with multiple weapons – guns, economies, information and soul. Everybody can do their part, we can all work together to live together in peace, we can all assert our right to self defense, we can all insist and demand and enforce respect for our individual and shared human rights.
– Brooklyn, NY
Sitting in western Canada I must admit my understanding of the past history of this region is limited but that my knowledge of western corporatocracy and it’s agendas is strong. To abbreviate I’ll just call this the western rule(ers).
Western rulers are without any conscience. They play to win,period. They want all of Ukraine, including Crimea, as a launching pad for the further breakup of Russia so that it can in turn become part of an economic world hegemony these western rulers seek as the only solution to the problem of securing their wealth and power over all others forever, which they believe is attainable under a New World Order run by themselves.If they lose here their attack will simply move elsewhere or morph into another strategy in Ukraine. They do not give up ever and constantly have a full court press going on a world wide scale. The only way to stop them is by crushing their financial system which allows for massive offensive expenditures. Please know your enemy not that in the long run eastern rulers will be any better for the masses of humanity; only a common revolution world wide will ever end rule by oligarchs.
As for the people of Donbas after what they have been through and continuing to live through I imagine only complete independence will prove satisfactory but this want may be unattainable when backroom pressures arte applied in peace talks, should this occur.Perhaps a people’s rule in Donbas could become a model for the world with the issuing of debt free money etcetera?
It’s always interesting to read the comments from new vistors to the Saker.
They’re the ones that make ‘suggestions’ about how Saker should or should not refer to concepts, groups and memes.
To all the new folk, take it all in for a while before leaping in to the fray.
This may well be the first time the veil is to at least some degree lifted from your eyes connected to minds thoroughly brainwashed by a globalist elite. That group is referred to by many different names, the Saker has (quite accurately in the view of many) chosen ‘Anglozionist empire’.
Whilst the suggestions may be well intentioned – stay on topic lest you may well be taken as nothing more than a shill for the globalist cabal.
Anonymous @ 1 September, 2014 21:32
“…Jews like Beria”
Beria was not a Jew, he was either Georgian or Abkhasian
Dear Saker, I was –Very– impressed by the translation in 4 parts in the article about the doubleplusgoodthink, in the comments section from
http://pravosudija.net/article/okruzhenie-okruzhivshih
Unfortunately some parts were not entirely clear to me, but I believe this was a key article which deserves a professional translation and perhaps an addition by yourself…
I can see mr Putin holding back to let Ukraine selfdestruct, and the resistance army conquer all of Novorossia, in a few waves, including Dnjepropetrovsk and Odessa. It will indeed take local uprisings to prevent later uprisings and resistance by Ukranians.
What will happen if Yarosh will succeed in a coup? (I cannot see Ukraine doing better under a nazi dictatorship- how long would it last?)
The pink war maps are a killer argument against accusations of ´a Russian invasion, as well as the Orlov article!
«Or maybe these negotiations will lead nowhere and the chaos and “somalization” of the ex-Ukraine will continue.(…)Or maybe, this is terrible to say, is the situation more similar to the one in Chechnia in 1999 when a lot of people had to be simply physically eliminated, killed, before any solution could be found»
That is the most likely scenario in my opinion.The Kiev regime will not be able to agree to a cease fire and a de facto independence for Novarussia.But even if they do they will likely start a civil war in west ukraine because the Nazis will not forgive them. On the other hand if they do not agree to a cease fire than social, economic and political conditions will get worse and there will probably be a messy civil war and desintegration of west Ukraine anyway.
So, I see no way out that does not involve the “Libyan” scenario in west Ukraine. Regardless of the will of some elites I think that forces were unleashed that simply will pull Ukraine in that direction.
As for Europe, or the EU, it is stuck. It is very important to remember that despite Germany economic power, Germany is an occupied state. Occupied by tens of thousands of US troops. What I think is that this Ukraine conflict will be another issue that contributes to the EU disintegration.
As for the US they, at least in the short term, have little to loose and much to gain in any event. If Russia and Novarussia are defeated great, if Ukraine becomes kind of a “Lybia” thats not so bad either. Both Russia and EU will have a mess at their door and the relations between both will be bad. So actually, the US stance is one of the drivers for the inevitable “Libya” scenario.
The only thing that could minimize this mess is if the NAF can develop the military and, more importantly, the political capacities to take over all of the Ukraine east of the Dnieper and the South from Transnistria to Mariupol. But even this more positive scenario would require some degree of “libyanzation” on the west before it could be implemented.
an addendum to my comment: Living in western Canada in a region settled by Doukhobors I have come to know the warmth of Slavic culture, with food…my God the food, as a central
part of that culture. This is how I have pictured Ukraine, not with the corruption and hateful ideologies that exists there now. The disparate peoples of Ukraine must rebuild their cultural society before they can rebuild their nation. Perhaps with celebration of each other’s cultural identities to minimize divide and conquer tactics by elitist rulers. Up with the common people of Ukraine and Donbas!
Surveying some of the MSM Twitter feeds today — particularly that of UK Torygraph reporter Roland Oliphant (that RT’s Peter Lavelle declared this week is known personally to him and is simply lying) — one gets a complete sense of shock and simmering anger. They truly cannot believe the junta lied to them about its military successes and that up until two weeks ago they were willfully repeating the Big Lie that victory was imminent. Weren’t there troops within 15 kilometers of downtown Lugansk and Donetsk? Weren’t they advancing across the entire front and hadn’t they reduced the share of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics controlled by the rebels to less than 20% (a falsehood if there ever was one since there was no true rear behind the advancing spearheads, ala the German Wehrmacht in November 1942 near Stalingrad).
They can still double down on the ‘heroic Ukies’ tropes — there’s been some widespread retweeting of the ‘Ukie died and took 12 rebels with him rather than surrender’ likely made up story; and now a typical bellwether for fanatical Russophobe-ness ex-professor John R. Schindler of the US Naval War College is tweeting out that Putin threatened Barroso with a march on Kiev. Which is not something Putin would ever say if he had it in mind, especially not to a Eurocretin like Barroso.
So it seems Saker is right and the Eurocrats, the neocons, and Washington are all paralyzed with indecision. They truly have no idea what to do now that their Ukie proxies are in open rout with the abandonment of Lugansk airport and the soon end to whatever military threat they posed to Luhansk once the NAF sweeps to the north and west of the city. The Ukies have already collapsed along the border and to the south of Donetsk with shelling of Donetsk soon to end once the nastiest Nazi pockets to the north of that city are eliminated. Once the shelling stops and the highway between Lugansk and Donetsk secured for internal communications and aid trucks from Russia, the political situation and lying Western MSM situations will become even more desperate for Kiev. They will no longer be able to trick anybody that they’re winning, even when fighting on the defensive where poorly trained troops are more useful.
All the same, we’re a long way from any ‘march on Kiev’. Or even Dnepropetrovsk. Liberating Slavyiansk and digging up the Ukie mass graves on Karachun hill to show to the lying presstitutes the extent of Ukie casualties and their complicity in covering them up would all be solid political objectives, though the military logic of defending Slavyiansk and Kramatorsk once more is questionable.
It’s time for scholars to start assembling a body Novorossiyan historiography. Over centuries, many historical trends have evolved which establish that southern and eastern Ukraine (originally Russian colonies) are not genuinely part of central/northern/western Ukraine (authentic Ukraine).
Southern and eastern Ukraine have always been linguistic, ethnic, political, social, cultural, and economic “melting pots” that were originally appendages of Imperial Russia. These regions became part of the Ukrainian state only because of accidents of history. Ultimately, what’s true of “real” Ukraine’s history simply doesn’t apply to the country’s southern and eastern areas. That much has been confirmed by events since 1991 (the electoral divides and the 2014 war).
In a previous article, The Saker put it eloquently when he referred to Ukraine’s “idiotic historiography.” The Saker is correct: much of that historiography is nothing more than reckless speculation based on very loose causal relationships. Some of it is nothing more than revisionism. Still, the historians who generate this research are rewarded with faculty chairs at universities such as Harvard, Columbia, etc.
Regarding Novorossiya’s historical origins and its subsequent development trends, motivated, competent scholars should have no trouble establishing that the region is separate and distinct from the rest of Ukraine.
Dear Saker, thank you for your wise and cogent words. Can I repeat what a few comments above have said – please avoid the word ‘AngloZionists’ – it has too many links with extremists, is too simplistic, and thus detracts from your excellent writings.
A question: you say ‘I would also argue that both Russia and China are rejecting the western civilizational model and it’s key dogmas (I won’t list them here lest I offend or infuriate new readers…’ I would love to see your list of the ‘key dogmas’! Thank you again.
Crossvader is right. The Novorussians are strong on the ground. The Ukies have disintegrated. The Russian position is rock solid.
The talks in Kiev are continuing because Russia and the EU are motivated to get a deal done. Poroshenko is on the outside concerning the most important decisions. His primary objective will be to preserve the oligarchs and gangsters of Banderastan. We should get used to the idea that people like Kolomoisky have many lives yet. This is a tragedy.
This will be the poison that coarses through the veins of the united and federal Ukraine.
If there is an agreement, it must preserve “the fiction of a unitary Ukraine” and more. Neither the EU nor Russia want to pick up the tab. Some agreement must be worked out where each side gets paid. Since Russia delivers the gas it has the leverage. The EU and banksters have paper.
The danger is that Novorossia will be wed to Banderastan in an unbreakable bond. Iarosh or some version of him will replace Poroshenko and act as a lever against Russia. The Russian veto will be a tarnished prize.
The obvious danger is that Russian foreign policy will be forever forced to ride the Ukrainian pony, distracting Russia from her long term goals. On the other hand the economic part of your analysis is very important. Russia will only gain strength relative to the West from now on. This is virtually guaranteed so Russia is again strongly advantaged in the long game.
Ukraine will be in constant turmoil unless Novorossia achieves control over 100% of its internal affairs, economy and Russia mainstains a guaranteed veto on everything. The EU must also ensure that Ukraine doesn’t turn into an even more virulent form of itself as a smuggling gangster Superstate. The Atlanticists want this very much and probably on some level they will achieve it. No agreement can ever be perfect but this is a definite draw back to any agreement for the Russians. Therafter the Nazi filth will spread like a disease.
Russia has a lot to achieve and it won’t be perfect. I am not confident the EU has the cohesion or the strength of leadership to carry it through. If Merkel can pull it off she will make her mark on history. The rebirth of the Russia Prussia alliance would get its first good push. On a personal level she has lots of motivation, even if she an agent of the West. I am sure she wants to put the hammer down on NATO. I can’t imagine how she could resist but the question is if her backers, across Europe, will back her to the wall.
There’s a lotta glue holding these talks together but it’s all still very tenative. I guess the best thing for Russia is the guy sitting on their side of the negotiating table, still holding face cards all.
Re; Anonymous @ 21:32 “… Jews like Beria. …”
Lavrentiy Beria was a Mingrelian (sub-ethnic Georgian minority) of Georgian Orthodox upbringing.
(Don’t let your prejudice cloud your analysis, which otherwise I concur with.)
Todorovic said…
Why do you use this very weird expression, “anglo zionists”? I don’t understand what Israel has to do in this war.
I agree. Although I understand (I believe) the precise meaning intended, it’s unfortunately an emotionally charged phrase that only offers succor to those who would automatically dismiss everything surrounding it as ‘conspiracy theory’, or worse.
As I understand Saker’s use of it, it has less to do with Israel than with the original Anglo-based power structures developed over the past century and then accommodating (merging with?) post WWII Zionism. The neocon movement seems to be firmly entrenched in both spheres.
It’s difficult to avoid using some descriptive phrase when discussing these influences in geopolitics but this one is unfortunately so emotionally charged and so easily misdirected/mislabeled/misinterpreted, as to just as likely detract as enhance the dialogue for a wider audience.
I’m thinking there must be a better phrase.
“Todorovic said…
Why do you use this very weird expression, “anglo zionists”? I don’t understand what Israel has to do in this war. Unless you think maybe that “zionism is everywhere”? I thought that the guys thinking this way were on the other side… I’m not cumfortable with this at all, even if my support goes of course to Novorossia.”
I agree. Besides any discussion of “zionism” takes this site miles away from where it needs to be – about Ukrainians killing fellow Ukrainians.
Maps.
As soon as we look at a map of the whole of Ukraine, rather than the contested area, then the recent gains look pretty small.
The comparison should not be in size of maps but size of armies remaining. Btw there is a very detailed article on the military strategies of both sides to date on colonelcassad.
Btw Saker,
This is another superb analysis.
It is a joy read this kind of analysis so frequently and see you put yourself on the line so completely every single day. The rest did you good.
Kudos to infinity.
Classic pic of Rassmussen practicing his neocon form of “kegels”. The neocons have been misinformed (a classic example of preying upon their predilections) by massa into the misunderstanding that the PC muscle* is located in the mouth.
When one bases their society upon that of the mentality and morality of that of the prison butt rapist, as the capitalist zio-west by default has done now, the result is the total degradation seen in the west that is ubiquitous now, but praised throughout zio-media, and especially promoted in their advertising. IE: the gay-me first-as long as the corporate boss-and Israel-approves-middle class western yuppy-who conforms ubiquitously to the scrotum leash holders-and loves it set.
* The PC muscle is not located in the mouth, though most neocons/the far right wish such, and it has nothing to do with the PC meme put out by the zio-entity’s closet homosexuals in the USA (IE: “politically correct” – see the Hannity or Limbaugh – we need more boy molesters adverts) and is an abbreviation for pubococcygeus muscle. Some of the neocons/far right who “graduated from college” – in America, and therefore are considered “educated” – in America, know about the PC muscle, though, true to their neocon/right wing preferences generally only apply “kegals” with regard to an anal application of the exercise.
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Any number of solutions might be possible if we can get past this week. Personally, I’m very worried about the outcome of the NATO summit. If Ukraine is given some special status, direct and immediate NATO intervention is possible. In that regard, there is no time to take time.
Nothing will be resolved until after Poroshenko gets an answer from NATO. In my mind, the big question is, ‘can Russia and Novorossia afford to wait? Once NATO, if it decides to, offer some status to Ukraine, any action by Russia will be a direct affront to NATO. Article 5 looms large.
Might not now be the time for Russia to pre-empt NATO and officially recognize Novorossia
Postulation:
That all people not in the plutocracy ruling the world’s governing entities have a sense that they will never have a say, a vote, or could influence those plutocrats. This sense may be knowledge for the more inquisitive and learned. This sense may be mere doubt, not yet coalesced into certainty. However, the masses of humanity who have awareness of the plutocracy understand it must be overthrown.
Even if a person were to begin the journey to knowledge and certitude from the awareness at the lowest level, it would be clear they would gather the history of the entire last century and the first fifteen years of this century and see, not just the pattern of malevolence and greed, but the names of the culprits and organizations and their heirs, descendants, proteges, and successors.
So, it can be stated: we all know who they are, where they live and rule, where they amass the stolen fortunes, how they oppress everyone ranked below them, what their crimes and sins are, and for how long they have been acting like the satanists they are.
The question and resolution remains—what can we do to rid ourselves of the plutocrats?
Have we an example in Novorossiya of what to expect? Perhaps. If the Elites actually wage a war upon us, we will have to fight to the death and win our Liberty.
Have we an example anywhere else? Could we throw stones? Strap bombs on? Fly planes into buildings? Drive explosive-laden trucks into skyscraper garages?
Or is nothing possible? Are we in shackles forever? Are we incapable of taking down the tyrants? Is the Hegemon our target or is the behemoth merely the sum of the parts that constitute the plutocracy?
I say you examine the tyranny and attack its weakest points. Plutocrats themselves, individuals are the weakest parts.
You devise a war plan against the Elite. The war plan can be enacted anywhere on the planet, any hour of any day. And the attack can be of any nature. But it must be clinically targeted solely to eliminate just the plutocrat Elite.
I believe Putin and Xi are targeting the Hegemonic Elites. They intend to deprive the Hegemon of its serfs and serfdoms. All the Hegemon’s princes will soon succumb to a world that cannot abide them. All the means of hegemony will be blocked.
Even the plutocrats best weapon, chaos, will not be enough to overcome the revolt against Tyranny.
The human race is fighting for its humanity, its natural space to prosper and grow and pursue its own happiness.
The first conflict was Donbass. All of Ukraine is to follow. It is turning bad for the Hegemon.
But the monster has another target. Watch.
A large naval test of China is forming, probably, not near Japan in the East China Sea. It will be in the South China Sea. Two carrier task forces, plus Australia and Philippines will be used to back the small Chinese navy away from disputed oil and gas fields. Xinjiang will be ignited and maybe, an attempt to get some Buddhists in Tibet to immolate and stir things.
Reminds you of Hitler deciding to fight East and West. Well, like father, like son.
Saker,
This has been very helpful, but why do you see Tusk as something good? Granted he’s not Applebaum-Sikorsky, but is there any other reason? And it’s funny, but I was just musing “il faut donner du temps au temps” as I finished up your last paragraph before it bc it sure does seem like there might be a *lot* of advantages in letting things ripen a bit longer on the tree, as it were, at least if you don’t think too much about the horrible death and destruction… But really, that’s likely to happen anyhow, more likely than not. sigh
I’m also hoping your inclusion of Fukushima in between Bush and Obama was deliberate, bc it sure was wonderful!!! ;~) But to me, the real wild card remains the AZ Empire precisely bc it is bankrupt, impotent, desperate, immoral and rudderless: while we certainly don’t know for sure who in DC will end up calling the shots, I’m not really sure any of them do either. Shared Neoliberal methodology and “belief” system, lots of convergence in goals, but also *lots* of turf wars and other internal conflict plus no real chain of command except various orders to various parties from from certain lovely folks in the City of London and Tel Aviv.
Anonymous 21:32,
You must be a little new here, dear. Saker’s been using that term for a pretty long time now and it really does cover things quite nicely. It’s a shame you don’t like it but I’m sure he’ll survive.
Mulga,
Dear Lord. It wasn’t that long ago that Oz was just ordinarily Neoliberal, not Harper-level insane. How did that happen??? Were your elections stolen too? Lord, we really all are in the same boat, aren’t we. (Not that our last two were stolen, just that the choices were abysmal, though probably better than we’ll get next time — and man o man, was that hard to type!)
There is another important, imo, aspect of this morning fake story from Minsk. Fact that so many people, otherwise supportive of NR, had believed in (or at least were anxious about) it shows some deep mistrust about current leadership and Moscow’s true intentions. It could have been reflex after all lies received in lifetime, maybe something else, but mysterious disappearance of Strelkov is not helping heal this deep psychological wound.
American Kulak said…
Surveying some of the MSM Twitter feeds today — particularly that of UK Torygraph reporter Roland Oliphant (that RT’s Peter Lavelle declared this week is known personally to him and is simply lying)
Somebody needs to take a serious look at Oliphant’s stock and/or currency trading activity, especially during that ‘spotted’ border incursion. I smell something.
Mr. Saker,
Perhaps I need to re-read your presentation in a great essay but indeed some statements leave me puzzled:
” This is important because what has been done cannot be simply wished away and undone. Both Russia and Novorussia are now in a “survival mode” in which nothing short of a full elimination of these vital/existential threats will do. In other words, the US Empire’s AngloZionist project AND the Ukie Nazi experiment must absolutely and definitely be defeated and conditions must be created which will forever prevent it’s reemergence.”
Comment: Russia is in survival mode, really? Is she drowning? No, Mr. Saker it’s the US/EU in survival mode; their economies in severe trouble – since 2007 there is no recovery from the Great deep Recession.
Whatever version V-1 or V-2 as proffered, the neo-Nazis will sabotage. They have been executing to rid the east of Russians so why-not V-1, full independence? I’m confident the Nazis will be crushed. In time with a bankrupt Ukraine, under the sword of the IMF, will be partitioned and other oblasts will join Novorussia.
In a few months NATO will be declared dead. Foghy rASSmussen’s calls for insolvent member countries to increase NATO defense spending is delusional.
Keep an eye on Germany and Saudi Arabia. Ignore the optics of Merkel dancing to US blues b/c in the background industry titans are pressuring soon to leave the EU and the west’s sinking ship. Germany’s economy is deeply dependent on Russia and her eye is turned east with Russia and China.
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@ Todorovic 22:28 and All who express unease with use of the term Anglo-Zionists.
The term “Anglo-Zionists” is an apt descriptor for the dual-citizens deep within the current events under discussion whether Ukraine or M.E. { at the core is the Zionist thought on: Oil, Gas; gas- pipelines, land and Banking}
Ask the Gazans/Palestine why they are being bombed to the stone age: –all for the gas discovery off the coast of Gaza. Fact, not fiction. The gas off the coast of Gaza belong to the Palestinians.
and here in the Guardian, UK
The Economist had this
{January 23, 2014}
The Israelis, for their part, have prevented the Palestinians from developing Gaza Marine, a field off the coast of Gaza where BG (formerly British Gas) found gas a decade ago.
Todorovic you asked what does Israel have to do in this war (and by extension these wars)?
Btw, here is the stated position of one sect of Orthodox Jews
Why Orthodox Jews are opposed to the Zionist state
At # Ten, Hope you have your answer.
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Great post here, Saker. But that’s not surprising — your analyses are always excellent. I check your blog every day for some wisdom & truth about the situation — two things which Canada’s MSM will not provide. One quibble: You wrote that the “ultimate guarantor of the de-facto independence of Novorussia is not Putin or Russia, but the armed men of the NAF.” However, I’ve seen photos of women in NAF uniforms, too. :)
If you are in a lake and see someone drowning, you had better not try to rescue them unless you are a very strong swimmer, well trained in lifesaving, and, preferably have a flotation device with you — otherwise they will pull you down with them.
Is Novorossia strong enough to rescue Ukraine, and the western fascists? While Ukraine is still trying trying to drown itself?
First independence, treaties, etc., I think — then perhaps some kind of reunification with Ukraine V2, based in Western Ukraine, after it straightens itself out, if it can.
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Saker
Given the repition, ad nauseum, from new (and apparently blind) commentators at the blog…
Perhaps the new site can contain a “hyperlinked term reference dictionary”
An full definition can then be radily accessible for those who care to comment for commonly used terms – today’s hot favorite being “anglo-zionist empire”.
WHile us long time readers/contributors know the context, those new to the site seem to be confused.
This is to b expected given lifetimes of globalist caba propaganda and brainwashing.
It would also obviate the need for regular commentators to focus on the topic in point rather than providing basic education as to how the world really works.
＠Saker,
Q: Fukushima,
R: Fukushima is a severely damaged nuclear power plant in Japan.
Japanese PMs between 2001 – 2014;
Koizumi
Abe
Fukuda
Aasoo
Hatoyama
Abe
Putin’s new ringtone; “I’ve got Georgia on my mind…”
Something to smile about:
Charming picture of the day: Morning in a pine forest on the border with Ukraine.
https://www.rebelmouse.com/UkraineCivilWar/morning-in-a-pine-forest-on-th-699505718.html
anderson said…
It’s always interesting to read the comments from new vistors to the Saker.
They’re the ones that make ‘suggestions’ about how Saker should or should not refer to concepts, groups and memes.
To all the new folk, take it all in for a while before leaping in to the fray.
This may well be the first time the veil is to at least some degree lifted from your eyes connected to minds thoroughly brainwashed by a globalist elite. That group is referred to by many different names, the Saker has (quite accurately in the view of many) chosen ‘Anglozionist empire’.
So, how would you refer to subservient minions of the ’empire’ such as the Cuban diaspora, personified by Menendez? The latino/anglo/zionist cabal subset?
Narrowing the audience may suit your purpose but broadening it gets the job at hand done with far less effort.
Ye looks to paint with too broad a brush a room with many corners.
Excellent aticle but I think you have over looked some important geo-political issue.
When this conflict ends – both Ukraine and Novorossia will be flat broke. The IMF and EU will pick up Ukraine, but who will pick up Novorossia? There are billions of dollars woth of rebuilding to be done? who will pay? I don’t think Russia wants to pay as its economy has slowed down a lot.
I think in the end Novorossia will have to do whatever Putin wants as he is their guarantor. They cannot exist without him.
I think the best thing after the fighting ends is to leave it a “frozen conflict” with no decision – leaving Novorossia to muddle along as best it can with some financial assistance. They will need to get their industry up and running as soon as possible to have some income.
Economics will be the most important thing when the shooting stops – and I have not heard of any leader who has economic skills and training to take on the task of rebuilding and retooling the industry unless Rinat Akhmetov will help as I believe he has industry in the region.
Anonymous 22:42,
Oh Dear Lord, I’ve got to say *that* one shook me up! We’d better all start praying right now that Zacharchenko has neither DeValera’s morality nor Michael Collins’ lifespan. oh oh oh That and Anonymous 22:54’s Joyce quote will not a pleasant evening make hereabouts…
AK,
Does Schindler count as even an outlier anymore? What do you think we’re likely to do, btw? BC I sure can’t figure it out unless just use our famous “when in doubt, let’s make it even more of a failed state” formula.
Anonymous 23:38,
Yale too — Timothy Snyder, the guy who wrote “Bloodlands”, got a nice chair in Holocaust Studies there, which is not bad for a Shabbas Goy — and only required a little revising of his previous, rather more accurate work.
Latest from Colonel Cassad:
Mariupol direction
The military command of the DPR was absolutely correct in their determination of the most perspective direction for their offensive – on Mariupol. The offensive on this direction potentially allowed to achieve a strategic, an operational, and a tactical success.
The strategic importance of Mariupol is difficult to overestimate. Actually, it is precisely the control over this city and over its economic and export potential that clearly separates the two alternatives for the people’s republics of Donbass: the fate of Greater Transnistria and the fate of truly sovereign states…the Mariupol port will allow the DPR to unfold the widest possible military and technical cooperation with Abkhazia*.
* MAP: Black Sea area, including Abkhazia
RELATED?:
Ukrainian shipping company “leaves” in Russia in the Azov sea
Ukrainian shipping operator KDM Shipping has announced its intention to refocus its entire fleet in the sea of Azov to the Russian ports…
…and, where possible, to change the flag [to] Russian…
Anglo-Zionist is verbotten in the consensus reality bubble. Saker blog is not the consensus reality bubble.
AZ perfectly names and describes the fundamental character of the aggressor. To sacrifice it is to cede the ground of reality to the sociopathic gangsters who drive all murder and mayhem in the world today.
They must be identified and confronted. Anglo-Zionist power must be weakened and eventually destroyed. The Fourth Reich is too far along. The time for politically correct bullshit is over.
I’d say the “elimination of the US Empire’s AngloZionist project” is something vital to the needs of the planet, Saker.
Given the crimes against all humanity perpetrated upon the brave people of Novorossia by the Kiev Junta and in particular those committed by the neo-nazi cowards I can see only one solution . That is a free independent Novorossia with a strong army under the protection of Russia . Only Russia can help them rebuild but it has to be their democratic choice . There is no way back now and who could forgive the war crimes anyway ? I would also like to see those who perpetrated these crimes held to account and I have a feeling this will happen really soon as the interim Govt didnt bring in the death penalty for nothing . Im normally against the death penalty but having watched the heartbreaking videos on the website of the Novorossian military I think these sub-humans deserve to be wiped from the face of the earth . To me the Azov battalion got what it deserved and as horrific as the burnt and partial corpses are ,they are but nothing compared with the suffering of the ordinary people . Its a pity their commanders took the cowards way out and ran as they deserve to burn in hell the most .
One day soon their suffering will be know by the whole world and I hope at that time the neo-nazis in Kiev are taken in chains to The Hague along with Poroschenko , his ministers and the vile creature Kolomoisky. I hope theres a price on him as his death would be good reason to party :)
The amazing army of Novorossia are all powerful now and very soon victory will be theirs . With the amount of equipment they have now taken there must be a shortage of green paint lol .
Bob UK – Totally ashamed of my Govt and in particular Camoron who is an inbred American poodle whose arrogance is exceeded only by his ignorance .
Ex-NSA Director, US Intelligence Veterans Write Open Letter To Merkel To Avoid All-Out Ukraine War
Merkel Warned
Michael Dror said:
“I argued a week or so ago in comments that Partition was inevitable because the West could only be embarrassed at what it has been paying for. And of course once you start bombarding the homes of your countrymen, you can’t really do much but divide the country into two or more.”
The American Civil War (aka War between the States) might present some interesting perspectives. Even though the accepted narrative is that preserving the union was of paramount importance, verging on an axiomatic, unquestioned virtue, there are dissidents to this view. Some historians and others feel that it would have been a lot better for the NOrth (the economically and, some would say, politically etc. more advanced region) to let the South go and to be free of it. I can certainly see many merits to not having the burden of the South hanging around our necks. The old NOrth and the old South, broadly speaking, have very different basic cultures and cultural assumptions. For starters, the South is way more military-minded—really a military culture. Many feel that the gun culture of teh USA originated in the South and the Appalachian regions and was carried to the rest of the continent with settlers from those regions. There is a considerable body of thought and writing that what we have witnessed and experienced in the USA since at least the Johnson era is the “southernization” of the whole country and the national govt in DC.
A USA broken in two would have had a very different trajectory as a continental and then imperial power. Of course, slavery would not have been abolished.
The relevance of this to Ukraine might be that it would just be better for Novorossiya to go it alone and be rid of the stone around its neck. OTOH (on the other hand), the territory of the Union and the Confederacy were both much larger and this may mean that in comparison, two countries on the current territory of Ukraine might be relative mini-states. OTOH, each one would still be larger than many of the existing countries of Europe. The two cultures seem to be at least as different as the Dutch and the Belgian. But the view from outside might be way off-base. I was in Czechoslovakia in 1992, and many people felt that the two sides of the country were being deliberately polarized and there was really no reason for the country to break in two in June of that year. In fact, none of my students predicted the actual outcome of that vote. But the two sides were not shooting at each other, so that is a big difference.
My gut feeling is that forcing such “partners” as the Western and Eastern Ukrainians to stay together now and build a life together is probably not really feasible, like expecting a happy family to issue from a man and a woman who hate each other’s guts. Look at, even, Belgium. trying to keep entities together that belong apart is a huge waste of energy. I hope Novorossiya attains the needed strength level to impose, de facto, the conditions it needs to call the political, economic, and social shots in its territory.
BTW, went through about 12 capchas before I could (maybe) figure one out. We’ll see . . .
Katherine
Only a complete idiot would fail to understand that UNLESS Ukraine splits (just like Czechoslovakia split) or Ukraine joins the Russian Federation, the horrors that we witnessed over the last few months would be repeated all over again within a year or too.
The West never gives up. And the West has unlimited resources to undermine any nation that is not fully self-protecting. Does even one person here think Putin, or those that fight for Novorussia, do not know this.
Putin has ZERO option (which is why the monsters chose to activate this plan in the first place). The Humans of Novorussia have zero option. Did you know, for instance, that LEGALLY Gaza and the West bank are quasi-independent regions of Israel- now tell me, how does that work out for the Palestinians.
It is a 100% CERTAINTY that a new nation, which may or may not integrate Crimea, will soon be created. In spite, most of the West will refuse to recognise it, but Russia is used to such nonsense. If the West allows West Ukraine to regain any form of sanity, West Ukraine will enjoy the type of border with ‘Novorussia’ that Ukraine once enjoyed with Russia.
But this is NOT the point. The monsters of the West never expected Russia to do anything else. Their plan had only one initial objective- Putin MUST NOT send in peace-keepers early, stopping the war before it got started.
Now the monsters have successfully reached the second stage (if Russia taking Crimea was the first), they will try to create far worse mischief in Ukraine. This may not pan out. But the plan is multi-faceted, and mostly revolves around the successful demonisation of Russia, and the ending of independent Nations in central Europe.
By forcing Putin to take Crimea/Novorussia, the monsters can tell the sheeple population of all the other target nations in the region that their local masters/governments MUST now align with NATO for ‘protection’ against wicked ‘Putler’ (as Putin is called on an astonishing number of sites promoted by Google’s ‘news’ service).
Next, in the short term, Russia will care only about what NATO does in Finland. And Russia certainly can’t use the ‘Ukraine’ option in that nation. If NATO ends the neutrality of Finland, all hell will break loose- and Putin will lack any possible form of ‘calm’ ‘considered’ response. It’s called “painting your opponent into a corner” and the USA famously used this tactic against Japan in the run up to America’s entry into WW2.
PS our side is PRETENDING to the press of the West that they consider options outside of true independence as a propaganda ploy to weaken the position of the UK/USA during the upcoming NATO war(mongering) council. Don’t worry, they aren’t that stupid.
woogs,
You worry too much.
For those who think that NATO, a military alliance good only for participating in gay parades and bombing ant colonies, would invoke Article 5 and confront Russia with the force of arms, please remember what happened with Iran for the last decade, and with Georgia in 2008.
With regards to Iran, that country was threatened incessantly for the last 10 years with “impending” massive attacks by the US, Israel and the UK, and every time Iranians would laugh at such threats and warn that if any was realized, the agressor would regret such decision within hours. What happened? Nothing! Today the West is eager to re-engage Tehran and is literally begging for some token Iranian consessions to make future settlement look like less than a total surrender that it is.
Russia, of course, has a firepower of 1000 Irans…
As for Georgia, when Russians pulverized its US-trained, US-equipped toy army, what did all of the American military advisors that were on the ground inside Georgia do? They evacuated faster than Saakashvili could ask “What happened?”
And Russian military is far more capable force today than it was 6 years ago…
The morale of all this? NATO will never offer Ukies anything but words of phony indignation at Russia and equally useless words of equally phony support for the nazis. Maybe they’ll crank up the propaganda noise level, maybe they’ll send some helmets,vests, and MREs. That’s it. They won’t send any arms for two reasons. First, they wouldn’t want to see all of their own equipment being shown on TV burned and mangled (bad for marketing). And second, they wouldn’t want Russians supplying arms to the West’s own future enemies.
And any official status for the Ukraine is ABSOLUTELY out of the question. Will never happen.
If there was a real threat of war in Europe, Baltics and Poles would be working overtime to cut Ukraine loose. Because in case of a real war, guess which countries would disappear from the map of Europe first?
wwog, sleep well and watch your blood pressure. As Pavel Gubarev -one of my favorite characters in Novorossia – said many times, “Everything is going to be OK”.
CDN says:
Saker:
You left out what the USSA may want or seek to achieve.
Ultimately the USSA seeks to erect a “USSA Curtain” to replace the former “Iron Curtain,” and maintain the Euro states as vassals and satraps. I think it telling that Cameron has come out calling for NATO members to increase defense spending to 2% of GDP and to eliminate those who free-ride on the spending of the USSA and UK. Of course as major arms exporters both the USSA and UK would be the primary beneficiaries of this spending.
I also think it telling the degree to which the entire Ukrainian fiasco has drawn world attention from the Snowden revelations in regard to NSA spying on the everyone, including its alleged partners. The prevailing mood has switched from dislike / distrust or Imperial America toward an increased fear of Russian expansionism and the need for Imperial America. This also draws western attention away from the failures of USSA foreign policy in Iraq, Syria, and Libya.
In one fundamental sense Mao was correct “Power comes out of the barrel of a rifle.” The NAF appear to have prevailed over the URF. But should they accept some form of limited associated with Ukraine then when of the provisos will likely be the dismantling of the present militia and the return of the captured AFVs to Ukraine control. All this means that two to four years down the road the same set of problems will rear their head. The rebels would be better off to declare themselves as a fully independent state, retain their militia force, and seek investment to rebuild their cities and industry. This would create a spark of prosperity in an otherwise impoverished former Ukraine. Should this model succeed, and I seen no reason why it would not, I would expect other regions would in future seek to align themselves with the new rebel state.
Cheers!
I think Russia’s strategy is fairly obvious, to apply enough pressure for long enough to officially bankrupt the country and to wear down the citizens of the country and achieve a pro-east regime change.
CDN Says:
The following URL leads to a fairly long interview with a woman from Donbass who was present in Kiev during the Maidan protests. She helped organize the anti-Maidan protests.
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/01/when-anti-maidan-was-destroyed-i-fled-from-kiev/
The entire interview is extremely informative in providing background to the current situation in Ukraine but two points stand out:
First, she describes how the Ukraine school system was modified so as to reduce history instruction on WW2 to two pages. These pages described how Hitler’s armies “liberated” Ukraine.
If this is what you tech the young this is what they will believe. It is a shot step from this belief to seeing fellow citizens as untermenschen or Colorado beetles who are to be exterminated without mercy.
Only a fool would attempt to negotiate an association with such people. And these changes were implemented well before the current troubles. They appear to have been introduced under a government which has been accused of being “pro-soviet” and overthrown for this reason.
Second point of interest is that particpants in the Maiden protest (not the Anti-Maidan) were paid $160 US dollars for each day of their presence. $160 USD represents the normal monthly wage in Ukraine. So this government overthrow was a very well financed operation and must have had either extremely wealthy proponents (Soros) or the abilty to print USD at no cost whatsover (USSA).
If you threw a grenade you were paid an extra $50 and if you fired a rifle you were paid $1,000. SO the sniper who shot both citizen protesters and police made in excess of $37,000 for a single days work. Like MH17 this incident will never be publicly investigated as it is not in the interests of the USSA for the truth to come out.
I understand that, the readers of your blog understand that, and I suspect the BRIC nations and the 70% of the world that is not west and white, also understands that. I predict that the fall of the USSA will be measured from this year, from USSA failure in Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, and Libya, and the creation of a world impulse toward a world order not subject to the imperial dictates of a ruthless hegemon.
Cheers!
Members in US politics who hold dual US/Israeli citizenship:
June 2013
Past and Present:
1.Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
2. Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
3. Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
4. Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
5. Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
6. National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
7. Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
8. White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
9. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
10. Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
11. U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
12. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
13. UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
14. Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
15. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
16. Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
17. Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
18. Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
19. Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
20. White House Political Director – Ken Melman
21. National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
22. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
23. Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
24. National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
25. President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
26. Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
27. Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
28. White House Speechwriter – David Frum
29. White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
30. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
31. Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
32. Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
33. Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
Current members as best I could find:
Senate:
•Senator Barbara Boxer (California)
•Senator Benjamin Cardin (Maryland)
•Senator Russ Feingold (Wisconsin)
•Senator Al Franken (Minnesota)
•Senator Dianne Feinstein (California)
•Senator Herb Kohl (Wisconsin)
•Senator Frank Lautenberg (New Jersey)
•Senator Joe Lieberman (Connecticut) (Independent)
•Senator Carl Levin (Michigan)
•Senator Bernard Sanders (Vermont) (Independent)
•Senator Charles Schumer (New York)
•Senator Ron Wyden (Oregon)
House of Representatives:
•Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
•Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
•Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
•Representative Howard Berman (California)
•Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
•Representative Susan Davis (California)
•Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
•Representative Bob Filner (California)
•Representative Barney Frank (Massachusetts)
•Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
•Representative Alan Grayson (Florida)
•Representative Jane Harman (California)
•Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
•Representative Steve Israel (New York)
•Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
•Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
•Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
•Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
•Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
•Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
•Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
•Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
•Representative Adam Schiff (California)
•Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
•Representative Brad Sherman (California)
•Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
•Representative Henry Waxman (California)
•Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
•Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)
zatetic June 2013
http://jewishcurrents.org/the-112th-congress-3476
All the jews in congress are democrats or independents (basically democrats) except one, Eric Cantor. He may be the highest ranking Tea Partier elected lol.
http://tinyurl.com/m3wdevf
@I would personally suggest not using terms like “AngloZionist”
This term was invented by the “Anglos” themselves to stress the convergence, if not the identity, of Anglo’s interests with Jewish ones:
“ANGLO-ISRAELISM:
A theory which identifies the Anglo-Saxon race with the Lost Ten Tribes. Its adherents, who claim that the promises given to Israel will be fulfilled with regard to England and America, are said to number 2,000,000 in England and the United States; and at one time they included in their ranks a member of the English House of Lords and a colonial bishop of the Church of England. They have issued several weeklies in defense of their views; and there is one publisher in London whose publications are devoted entirely to the cause. Strictly speaking, the believers in Anglo-Israelism do not form a sect, as most of its members retain communion with the Church of England, and they only hold their views as a supplementary pious opinion”.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1524-anglo-israelism
“British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a doctrine based on the hypothesis that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The doctrine often includes the tenet that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David”. (Wikipedia)
You should get your facts right before attacking the Straw man.
Excellent analysis as always! So kudos to that.
Unfortunately though, I think the various dynamics in the world have come down to this:
Those who run the US empire are not idiots. They must realize that time is not on their side: the inevitable economic collapse of Ukraine, the de-dollarization of the world, the growing strength of the rest of the Empire’s enemies are all on the horizon. Alternatively, the empire now has the weakest most pliant European leadership in a decade; a media that is wholly receptive to any propaganda put out by the agents of the empire; the perfect hate figure in Putin who has been demonized for a decade now till his name is synonymous with evil across the Western public.
If one looks at this purely strategically, without any morality or pity or human decency, the architects of the US empire would want to push for total war (as mooted in influential media platforms in the West). Indeed by implicitly threatening this, they would hope that the rational elements in Russia (facing an irrational and committed foe) would sacrifice Putin to descalate: this has also been suggested recently.
The first step in this escalation is the incredible rhetoric coming out of Kiev. This is not idle talk. Keep in mind that anything Kiev says is immediately flashed around the world as Truth and Serious Analysis
Second step is to use Ukrainians as cannon fodder: the army will regroup and now come in full strength with arms supplied by neighbours. There is no way the East can resist a full scale invasion by a Western backed Ukrainian army without the Russians explicitly fighting in Ukraine.
This will set up scenarios where Russia will be accused not only attacking places in Ukraine but the Baltics much as Hitler used false flag attacks in Poland to start his eastern campaign 75 years ago.
The media will be prepped and primed for this. This is an attack on NATO and so we will see a mobilization of forces.
Keep in mind NATO knows that they cannot win a conventional war with Russia inside its borders: but all it has to do is present a scenario where the economy is in a free fall where the oligarchs in Russia say “enough!” And sue for peace.
This will eventually lead to the dissolution of Russia which is the end goal (the end end goal is of course China but this is a crucial step in that journey).
Long story short: the agents of the Empire have been planning this since Putin was re-elected (even before actually). The demonizing him was step one – successfully accomplished. Taking Ukraine and using it to push Russia to react was step two – successfully accomplished. (If there was a crucial misstep by Russia it was here. I think the way Yanukovuch was overthrown and deals ignored was a shock to Putin – and it shouldn’t have been). Using this to draw Europe closer to the US and weaken Germany and France politically and economically in lieu of it’s more hawkish eastern neighbours was Step three – successfully accomplished (the dream of Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok has receded. The US Gov will only want that to happen under their patronage)
Putin is of course not stupid and has been defending brilliantly given the circumstances. But he’s playing defense in a game where the opponent is one step ahead and determined to win at all costs. And has more and more materiel to draw from.
Putin needs time: time to modernize, time to consolidate, time to prepare alternatives … the opponent knows that and will not give him this space.
The pump is primed. Now for the kill.
The world as we know is not a fair place. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong. But I can’t see any happy ending for Russia, let alone Donbass, in this.
Important interview with Gubarev on Life News (with English subtitles):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVThc90w6vI#t=61