[this column was written for the Unz Review]
The topic of Russians and Jews is clearly a “hot” one. Over the past few years I wrote several articles on this topic including “Putin and Israel A Complex and Multi-Layered Relationship”, “Why Is Putin “Allowing” Israel to Bomb Syria?”, “Russia, Israel and the Values of “Western Civilization” – Where Is the Truth?” and “Debunking the Rumors About Russia Caving in to Israel”. And yet, for a while now I I felt that there is much more which could, and should, be said on this topic.
Recent events (including Putin’s and Zelenskii’s recent trip to Israel or the latest Polish-Ukrainian theory about the USSR being an accomplice to the Holocaust) again gave me that strong feeling that the way Jews are seen in the West is truly very different from how Jews are viewed in Russia. Yet, in the West, this difference is often (almost always, really!) overlooked and assumptions are made about Russia and Russians which are simply not warranted and which end up being highly misleading. This is why I will try to debunk some of these assumptions today.
First, a very quick and very short look into our recent history
The very best book to read on Russian-Jewish relations is “200 Years Together” by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The problem with this book is that has never been officially translated into English. Yup, that’s right. A CRUCIAL book by a Nobel Prize winner can be so controversial that nobody in the publishing business has dared to print it. Happily, a number of websites offer unofficial “samizdat” translations, see here, here and here. I cannot vouch for the quality of these translations as I read the book in Russian, not in English. But yeah, in the “land of the free”, the putative “brave” do not get to read a book if that book debunks the western narrative about Russia and Jews. By the way, Solzhenitsyn’s masterpiece is not the only such book which exists only in Russian, there are many more including Andrei Dikii’s “Jews in Russia and the USSR” which can also only be found on the Internet Archive here.
I can’t even begin to try to summarize that most interesting, and controversial history here. All I will say for right now is that when we speak of “Russians” and “Jews” we need to separate these categories into 4 subcategories:
- Russians from what would be considered Russia today, in other words, “Great-Russians” (here “great” does not indicate a superiority, but only a peripheral place of residence, meaning Russians who don’t live in central Russia). For our purposes I will from now on simply call them “Russians”.
- Russians from what would be considered the Ukraine today in other words, “Small-Russians” (meaning Russians living near the cradle of the Russian civilization, Kiev). For our purposes, I will from now on refer to them as “Ukrainians”, but only in a geographical sense, not a cultural one.
- Russian Jews (as opposed to Ukrainian Jews)
- Ukrainian Jews (as opposed to Russian Jews)
These four subgroups have had a very different historical experience and they need to be considered separately, as lumping them all together really does not allow any analysis.
Besides, and as I have also mentioned it in the past, the Ukrainian nationalist propaganda does, in fact, have *some* truth to it. Yes, it is a grossly distorted truth, and it is mixed in with an avalanche of lies, but still, not all of it can simply be dismissed. For example, while there never was any “Ukraine” in history, and while what is called today the “Ukrainian language” is not really Ukrainian at all (the “surzhik” would be the real thing), it still remains an undeniable fact that the Polish occupation of southern and western Russia (which is what “the Ukraine” is – Russia’s southwestern “borderland” which is what the word “Ukraine” originally meant) left an extremely profound mark on those Russians who lived under the Polish-Latin occupation. I won’t go into historical details today as I already did that here and here, but I will just say that this tragic history eventually inspired one of the favorite slogans of Ukrainian nationalists: “to drown all the Polaks and the Moskals in Kike blood” (or any variation of these three nationalities).
Charming, no?
The undeniable historical truth is that the centuries long occupation of the Russian eastern frontier lands by the Poles and their Latin masters created so much hatred between all the nationalities involved that it appears that every time they had a chance to try to persecute or kill each other, they immediately did so. Here area few examples of that kind of violence:
- The (in)famous “pogroms”: these were spontaneous and violent uprisings and subsequent brutal riots against Jews by their resentful neighbors. By the way, during the Civil War, the Reds often were the worst perpetrators of these pogroms because they also saw the comparatively wealthy Jews as class enemies in the Marxist sense of the word.
- The very high percentage of Jews among the first generation Bolsheviks (80%-85% according to Vladimir Putin; fwiw, I agree with this figure). These Bolshevik Jews were typically concentrated in the secret police organs and they typically spearheaded the massacre of millions of Orthodox Christians (which have since been gloried by the Russian Orthodox Church in Exile and, later, somewhat reluctantly and only partially, by the Moscow Patriarchate, as the “New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia”).
- A very high percentage of Jews among the Party leaders during the (truly horribly brutal) collectivization and and dekulakization which took place all over the Soviet Union but which the Ukrainian nationalists (and the western propaganda machine) characterize as a deliberate anti-Ukrainian genocide they call the “Holodomor” (yes, I know, Wikipedia entries on all these topics are pure propaganda, but I link to them precisely so you can see what the Ukrainian propaganda writes).
- A very high percentage of Ukrainians in the post-Stalin Soviet elites, many of whom participated in the bloody purges of the CPSU by Stalin; and since about 80%+ of the top Party officials were Jews, these purges necessarily involved a lot of repressed Jews (whether guilty ones who themselves were covered in innocent blood or innocent ones, who were simply repressed with the rest of them).
I could list more examples, but I think that these are sufficient for our purposes. What we can immediately see is that there are significant differences between what took place in modern Russia and in the modern Ukraine, including:
An example of a crucial geographical difference would be “pogroms” which, contrary to western propaganda, pogroms all took place in what would be the modern Ukraine today, never in Russia.
There is also a difference in time: Russians in the Ukraine were persecuted by Poles and Jews for centuries whereas Russians in what is modern Russia today were primarily persecuted by Bolshevik Jews “only” between 1917 and Stalin’s purges of the party in the late 1930s.
And then, there is the crucial, truly immense, difference which WWII made.
Next, a look at what happened during World War II and the Nazi occupation
When the Nazis launched their attack on the Soviet Union there were a lot of Russians and Ukrainians who welcomed the Nazis, not necessarily because they liked the Nazi ideology but because manyh of them hated their Bolshevik oppressors even more than they disliked the Germans. After all, the horrors of the Civil War and of the Collectivization were still present in the mind of millions of people both in the (newly created) Ukrainian SSR and in the Russian SSR.
[Sidebar: I would like to remind all those who nowadays try very hard to forget it, that the Nazi ideology characterizes both Russians and Ukrainians as subhumans (Untermensch) whose sole purpose would be to serve their Aryan master race overlords (Herrenvolk) in the newly conquered living space (Lebensraum). Simply put: Hitler promised his followers that they would be very happy slave owners! It is no wonder that the prospective slaves felt otherwise…]
In the course of the war, however, profound differences began to emerge:
First, in the Ukraine, the Nazi ideology DID inspire a lot of nationalists for the exact same reasons that Nazi ideology inspired nationalist Poles (who were Hitler’s first most loyal allies only to later be betrayed by him). Over the centuries the Papacy not only created the Ukrainian nationalist identity, it then actively fostered it every time Russia was weakened (if that topic is of interest to you, see here). The bitter truth which folks in the West don’t like to be reminded of is that the regimes of Petain, Franco, Pavelic, Pilsudksi, etc. were all created and supported by the Papacy which, of course, also supported Bandera and his Ukronazi deathsquads. As for Hitler himself, he was initially strongly supported by the UK (just as Trotsky was supported by the Jewish bankers in the USA). Indeed, russophobia has a long and “distinguished” history in the West: western leaders change, as do their ideological rationalizations, but their hatred and fear of Russia always remains.
In contrast, General Andrei Vlasov, who created the “Russian Liberation Army” (ROA) had exactly zero support in the West, and very little support in Russia proper. The ideology of the ROA was a mix of moderate nationalism with some no less moderate socialism. In hindsight, it never stood a chance of becoming truly popular in Russia simply because the sight of a Russian general wearing a Nazi uniform was not something that most Russians could serenely look at, whereas in the current Nazi-occupied Ukraine, Nazi uniforms and symbols are still very popular. Last, but certainly not least, the demented and outright genocidal policies of the Nazis in occupied Russia resulted in such a blowback that the war to liberate Russia from the Nazis became a war of national survival which the vast majority of Russians fully supported.
[Sidebar: it is also interesting how differently the Anglo powers treated the Ukronazis and the Russians of the ROA: the West lovingly imported to the US and Canada all the Ukronazis it could get its hands on, yet at the same time the West forcibly repatriated millions of Russians, including POW and ROA members, with often horrible consequences for the repatriates. As for General Vlasov himself, he was executed along with other officers accused of treason]
For the Ukrainian nationalists, WWII began as a God-sent chance to finally bring about their dream to “drown all the Polaks and the Moskals in Kike blood”, and then this dream was crushed by the Soviet counter-attack and subsequent annihilation of most (about 80%) of the German military machine. And while many Ukrainians (and Poles) did see the Soviets as their liberators from the Nazi horrors, the Ukronazis obviously saw the Soviet Army solely as an occupation force which they resisted for as long as they could (after the end of the war, it still took the Soviets several years to finally crush the Ukronazi underground). And while most Russians felt like they were the real victors of WWII, the Ukronazi nationalists felt that they had been defeated. Again. The same goes for the Poles, by the way (this trauma gave birth to something I refer to as the “Pilban syndrome”).
Now for the self-evident truism about Jews: while many Russians remained acutely aware of the Jewish role in the Bolshevik revolution and, especially, in the class terror which followed, they did not see ALL Jews as enemies of Russia, especially not when
- There were plenty of patriotic Jews who loved Russia and/or the USSR
- That Hitler’s demented racism inevitably had to bring Jews and Russians together, even if only for a while and mostly under the “common enemy” heading.
- Many (most?) Russians know for a fact that Nazi concentration/extermination camps did, in fact, exist even if they did not kill 6M Jews, even if they had no gas chambers and no crematoria (except to deal with insect-born diseases). Why? Because it was the Soviet military which liberated most of these camps and because there were plenty of non-Jewish Russians/Soviets in these camps. Finally, besides the camps themselves, most Russians also know about the infamous Einsatzgruppen which probably murdered even more Jews (and non-Jews) than all the concentration/extermination camps combined. The fact is that Nazi atrocities are not seriously challenged by most Russian historians.
The bottom line is this: whatever (at the time very real) hostility history had created between Jews and Russians, World War II had a huge impact on these perceptions. That is not to say that the Russians have forgotten the genocidal policies of Lenin and Trotsky, but only that after WWII, most Russians justly felt that they were victors, not defeated losers.
The Ukrainian nationalists, in contrast, were “multi-defeat” losers: they were defeated by the Germans, the Russians and even the Poles (who rarely attack anybody unless their prospective victim is already agonizing or unless there is some “big guy” protecting them – Churchill was quite right with his “greedy hyena of Europe” comment!). And now, more recently, they were soundly defeated not once, but TWICE, by the Novorussians. That kind of “performance” will often result in a nationalistic reaction.
And that is true not only for the Ukraine, but also very much applies to the West of 2020.
Does the collective West also suffer from the same “multi-defeat” complex?
It seems to me that most people reading these lines already know that the “collective West” aka the “AngloZionist Empire” is in terrible shape. Just look at the political chaos in the USA, the UK, France, Germany and all the rest of the NATO/EU countries. The West is not only losing militarily and economically, it is also agonizing culturally, socially, morally and spiritually. Furthermore, that which we all used to think of as “western values” is now being replaced by some insipid “multiculturalism” which seems to pious euphemism for the obvious plan to erase pretty much all of the western historical and cultural legacy. Like all forms of persecution, this one is also resulting in an increasingly powerful case of ideological blowback: a very dangerous and toxic resurgence of both Fascism and National-Socialism.
How could a person (Hitler) and an ideology (National-Socialism) be both declared uniquely evil AND, at the same time, undergo at least a partial rehabilitation in the same society? Simple! The only condition necessary to make that happen is to condition people to accept cognitive dissonances and not to be too troubled when they happen. The average citizen of the Empire has been conditioned to accept, and even embrace, such cognitive dissonances quite literally since birth and he has become very, very good at that. But there is also a historiographical blowback in action here:
Following WWII and, especially, following the 1970s, the Zionists made what I consider to be a disastrous mistake: they decided to present Hitler and his ideology as some kind of special and unique form of evil which supersedes any and all, past or even future, imaginable forms of evil. And just to make sure that this claim would stick, they decided to add some highly specific claims including the “official’” figure of 6 million murdered Jews, the gas chambers and crematoria being the most famous ones, but there were many more (including electrocution pools, human skin lamp shades and human fat soaps – but which had to be ditched after being proven false). Eventually these claims all came under very effective attack by the so-called “revisionist historians” who have since proven beyond reasonable doubt that these specific claims were false. That did not make these historians very popular with the rulers of the Empire who, instead of allowing for of a healthy historical debate, decided to make “revisionism” a criminally punishable thoughtcrime for which historians could be jailed, sometimes for years! The reaction to that kind of abuse of power was inevitable.
One of the most pernicious result of this policy of criminalizing historical investigations into WWII has been the fact that many people in the West concluded that since these specific claims were bunk, then all of the claims about Nazi atrocities were bunk too. Huge logical mistake! The fact that these specific claims have already been debunked in no way implies that OTHER widely reported atrocities did not occur.
For example, the fact that gas chambers were probably not used to kill anybody (at least not in significant amounts) does not at all imply that many hundreds of thousands, or even million of people, were not killed by execution, starvation or disease (typhus, dysentery, etc.). Just look at the death rates in Japanese POW camps, and they had no gas chambers or crematoria. As for the Soviets, they deported “class enemies” from their homes and simply released them in the middle of the Siberian taiga during the winter and with no survival gear: most of them also quickly died, simply from exposure.
The simple truth is that any modern state has the means to murder people on an industrial scale even without the use of such exotic (and, frankly, ill-suited) techniques as gas chambers or crematoria (in Rwanda, they mostly used crude machetes). But western historians are banned from even researching these topics!
This situation resulted in an environment in the West in which one cannot criticize (or even doubt!) Jews or things Jewish without immediately being called an “anti-Semite”. Ditto for anybody daring to present another version of WWII. That this kind of collective brainwashing would inevitably result in a massive blowback was easy to predict but, alas, the Zionists never had the foresight to see this coming. Either that, or they were quite happy to report a “surge in anti-Semitism” in the West to extort even more political power (and money!). Whatever may be the case, it is close to impossible in the current West to freely and openly discuss these topics.
Now a quick comparison with modern Russia
The political environment in Russia is radically different. For one thing, it is not illegal (or even improper) in Russia to criticize Jews, or modern “Judaism” (really a modern form of rabbinical Phariseism) or Israel or the Zionist ideology (which, by the way, the USSR did denounce and oppose as a form of racism). Yes, there are still (pretty bad) laws on the books forbidding the promotion of national hatred and “extremist speech”, but the truth is that as long as you only investigate historical topics (such as the real number of Jews murdered by the Nazis) and you do not advocate (or engage in) violence you will be fine. Not only that, but you can find pretty much any and all anti-Jewish/Zionist books on the Russian Internet for easy and free download. Finally, while a lot of Jews did leave the USSR, those who stayed (or have since returned) did that of their own free will and that strongly suggests that, unlike their brethren in Israel, many (most?) Russian Jews do not have feelings of hatred for Russia, the Russian people or even the Orthodox Church (some do, of course, but this is a minority).
Some near sighted Jews regularly deplore that the political discourse in Russia is not as tightly controlled as the one in the West. I would simply like to remind them that the much more permissive intellectual environment of Russia has NOT resulted in an automatic fusion between patriotism and hostility to Jews, as is sadly the case in the West (unless, of course, we are dealing with what French philosopher and dissident Alain Soral calls “National-Zionism” which is a separate phenomenon which I discussed in some detail here).
True, when patriotism (love for one’s country) turns into nationalism (love of one’s ethnicity), then things typically go south, but that is a danger of which the Kremlin is acutely aware of and that is why Russian nationalists are, after Russian Wahabis, the most frequently jailed people in Russia under anti extremism laws (keep in mind that both Russian nationalists and Russian Wahabis typically not only disseminate “extremist literature” but they also are typically engaged in one form of violence or another, thus they are often jailed on terrorism charges too).
An increasing number of Russians are, however, puzzled by what they see as a slow-motion rehabilitation of Hitler and the Nazi regime. For example, while in the West the official doxa is still that Hitler and the Nazis were the worst evil in history, there is a rapidly growing “alternative” viewpoint, mostly found on the Internet, of course, in which Hitler is viewed as a much more complex person, who has been unjustly demonized and whose actions need to be placed in a “correct” historical context. And, in fact, there is some truth to that – Hitler was a complex personality and the Nazis were demonized beyond way beyond anything reasonable. Finally, the proponents of this “rehabilitation” will always point out that Hitler’s enemies were at least as ruthless and evil has he was. Again, there is also much truth to that. However, when the EU declares in a solemn vote that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were both equally responsible for WWII, then a fundamental red line is crossed, one which places an “equal” sign not only between the aggressor and the aggressed but also between those who were defeated and those who were victorious.
[Sidebar: as I have often written in the past, under international law the ultimate, most evil, crime is not “genocide” or “crimes against humanity”. It is the “crime of aggression” because, in the words of the US judge who declared this principle, “the crime of aggression contains all the other crimes”, which is only logical. Thus by accusing the USSR of aggression, the EU is basically annulling them findings of the Nuremberg Tribunal, it makes the USSR every bit as guilty of all the atrocities of WWII as the Nazis.]
Are the Russians correct when they say that there is a slow-motion rehabilitation of Hitler and his ideology in the West?
Absolutely!
The fact that this slo-mo rehabilitation is still currently and mostly confined to the margins of the political discourse does not change the Russian awareness that no matter how much Hitler and his minions are disliked or even hated in the West, Russia and Russians will always be hated even much more. This is also true of what the West calls “Islamic extremism” which is only “bad” when it is not fully controlled by the West (terrorists!!), and which is “good”, axiomatically so, when directed against Russia or other Orthodox nations (freedom fighters!!).
Under these circumstances, is it really surprising that many (most?) Russians feel like the West is a much bigger danger to the Russian civilizational realm than any anti-Russian plans concocted by Jews, Zionists or the Israelis?
Absolutely not!
Not only do most Russians hate Hitler and everything he stood for, they also truly understand that the vast majority of Jews murdered by the Third Reich were simple, innocent, people whose only crime was to be of the same ethnicity/religion as some other Jews who did, indeed, richly deserved to be hated for their racist messianism (be it religious or secular). That is a fundamental injustice which Russians will never accept because accepting it would be a betrayal of truth (a hugely important concept for the Russian civilization) and no less of a betrayal of the memory of all the innocents murdered by the Nazis.
Conclusion one: history matters, a lot!
Whatever we all may think of Jewish identity politics or whatever our opinion of the Soviet Union, it is undeniable that Hitler’s policies inflicted unspeakable suffering upon both Russians and Jews. Western Alt-Righters, who still delude themselves into thinking that Russians share in their racist delusions, can deny and denounce this, but the fact is that history has forever created a bond between Jews and Russians: their common memory of the mass atrocities perpetuated against them by the Nazis. No amount of political gesticulations will change that.
That does not, of course, mean that Putin, the Kremlin or anybody else is an “ally” of Israel or that Putin and Bibi Netanyahu are working together (or for each other). This utter nonsense is a completely false conclusion resulting from a fundamental and profound misreading of Russian history and Russian culture. But it goes even further than that. I would argue that the history of the Russian culture is also fundamentally incompatible with any racist/racialist ideas.
The ideology of pre-1917 Russia can be described as “Orthodox monarchism”. This is not really correct for a long list of reasons (reality is always more complex than buzz-words and slogans), but by and large you could say that what was considered morally right or morally wrong was defined by the Russian Orthodox Church. Well, it just so happens that while original Christianity (i.e. Orthodoxy) was very critical of rabbinical “Judaism” (the religion and wordview), that same original Christianity was far less hostile to Jews (the ethnicity) then western Christian demominations. In fact, true Christianity has always been pro-patriotic but anti-nationalistic. This was also the practice in the Eastern Roman Empire (whose political structure Russia inherited). By the way, this is also true for the 2nd religion of Russia, Islam.
Then, after the 1917 Revolution, Russia was initially submitted to two decades of Jewish terror, especially a kind of terror directed against the Russian people and the Orthodox faith. With the coming to power of Stalin, however, major changes took place (and most of those who had drowned Russia in innocent blood were themselves executed during the famous “purges”). And while Stalin never was an “anti-Semite” (this is silly nonsense which both Stalin’s actions and writings directly contradict), his purges (and reforms) did profoundly change the nature of the Soviet regime, including the ethnic composition of the leaders of the CPSU which became much more diverse.
Speaking of the Soviet Union in general, it is also important to remember that the Marxist-Leninist ideology also rejects racial and ethnic differences and, instead, advocates a solidarity of all people against their class oppressors.
Thus neither the pre-1917 nor the post-1917 mainstream Russian ideology/worldview are a viable ground to try to promote racist ideas. And, thankfully, neither is modern (“Putin’s”) Russia.
The truth is that Russia which, as I mentioned above, is the political heir to the East Roman Empire (aka “Byzantium” in western parlance) has ALWAYS been multi-religious, multi-cultural, multi-ethnic and pretty much any and all other “multi-something” you can think of. For all the many sins of the Russian people during their history, racism was never one of them!
For example, this is also why, while most people in the West see Islam (and Muslims) as “aliens”, most Russians are totally used to them and see them as longtime neighbors. That does not mean that Russian’s don’t remember the dozen or so wars Russia fought against the Ottomans, nor does it mean that Russia has forgiven the Wahabi atrocities in Chechnia. It simply and only means that Muslims, and even Turks, are not see as “national enemies” by Russians.
The same is true for Jews. Yes, the Russians do remember what Jews did to them during the early years of the Bolshevik regime, but that memory, that awareness, does NOT typically result into any kind of racism, including any type of anti-Jewish racism. Nor do the horrors committed by Jewish Bolsheviks obfuscate all the very real contributions of various Jews to the Russian culture.
[Sidebar: by the way, it is important to remember here that while it is true that most first-generation Bolsheviks were Jews, it is not true that most Jews were Bolsheviks. In fact, Jews were found pretty much everywhere, including amongst Menshevik’s, anarchists, Bundists, etc..]
So yes, Jews and Russians mostly lived together for about 200 years, and much of our common history is tragic, painful and even shameful, but at the end of the day, it would be false to think that most Russians either dislike or fear Jews. They do not. Even when they are critical of this or that personality, ideology or religion (original Christianity will always be the ultimate enemy of rabbinical Judaism, just as rabbinical Judaism will always remain the ultimate enemy of original Christianity; we can understand why that is so, or we can deplore it, but we should never forget or deny this!).
[Sidebar: if any self-described anti-Semite reads these words and is absolutely outraged by what I just wrote, please also make sure to read “The Invention of the Jewish People” by Shlomo Sand” which will show to you that the very notion of “ethnicity” (whether Jewish or non-Jewish) is a modern invention with very little actual basis in history, especially in the history of multi-cultural empires. Simply put: in a culture which does not really believe in the importance of ethnicity no truly racist ideology can develop. It is really that simple!]
Yes, I know about Dostoevskii’s and Rozanov’s dislike for Jews (and Poles, by the way), and yes I know about the Pale of Settlement (won’t touch this here, but it sure was not what western historians in the West think it was – just read Solzhenitsyn!). I also know about the “Blood Libel” (won’t touch this one either, but I will recommend you read the 2007 book by Israeli historian Ariel Toaff “Passovers of Blood”) and about all the other myths spread in the West (by Jews and non-Jews) about “Russian anti-Semitism”. But the truth is simple: while there were many instances in history when Jews and Russians clashed (including the 10th century destruction of Khazaria by Russian forces or the 15th century struggle against the “Heresy of the Judaizers” – which, by the way, Wikipedia does a very bad job describing: in reality this was an early attempt by Kabbalists to infiltrate the Russian Orthodox Church just as they had successfully infiltrated the Papacy). Yet, these conflicts did not resulted in any major hostility of Russians towards Jews (the inverse is, alas, not nearly as true).
Conclusion two: Putin, Zelenskii and the Israelis
The recent trip of both Zelenskii and Putin to Israel has, again, brought the topic of the Jewish, Russian and Ukrainian “triangle” to the front page news. The Poles also seized the opportunity to make things worse for themselves when they chimed in on it all. You read the stories, so no need to repeat it all here. What was most impressive about this event was that Zelenskii decided that he would travel to Israel, only to then declare that he would not participate in the commemorative events. Why? Clearly, he was terrified that the Ukronazis will denounce him for caving in to Zionist pressure.
Putin did the exact opposite, not only did he travel to Israel and he spoke at the event, he also reminded the (mostly Jewish) audience of the horrors which the Russian people also suffered at the hands of the Nazis. Clearly, Putin did not fear that some Russian nationalists would accuse him of caving in to Zionist pressure. Why not?
Why could Putin speak so freely?
For two very simple reasons:
First, and unlike the Ukrainians or the Poles, the Russians have exactly zero guilt about what happened in WWII. In spite of all the lies currently spread in the West, the Soviet Union did not start WWII – the Soviet Union pretty much single-handedly defeated Hitler and ended the war (the entire Anglo effort was worth no more than 20% and only came after the Soviets defeated the Wehrmacht and the SS in Stalingrad and elsewhere).
Second, Jewish supremacism was very short lived in the USSR (roughly from 1917 to 1937) and neither Putin nor any other Russian political leader will let claims of exclusive “special” Jewish suffering go unchallenged. And while most Russian politicians don’t feel the need to express any doubts about the “official” 6 million figure, they do like to remind their Jewish friends that the Russian nation suffered anywhere between 20 to 27 million dead people during WWII, thus denying Jewish victims any superior victim status over non-Jewish victims.
Our fundamental disagreement about WWII, Hitler and Jews
Likewise, it is BECAUSE Russians have zero sense of guilt towards Jews, that Putin could mention this figure of 80-85% of Jews in the first Bolshevik regime in front of an assembly of Haredi rabbis (see the video here for yourself: https://youtu.be/7bSAB5OPkwQ).
Can you imagine Merkel or Trump daring to say these things in front of such an audience?
Unthinkable!
Conclusion three:
Ever since Vladimir Putin came to power, Russia has been gradually and steadily separating herself from the collective West. This process is not so much about being “against” the West as it is about being “different” from the West, but unapologetically so! This is especially visible in the nature and quality of the political discourse in Russia which is truly dramatically different from the kind of hyper-controlled (and, of course, hyper-manipulated) political discourse in the West. Simply put, Russians live in a much more open and diverse intellectual landscape than their western neighbors. As a result, it would be a major mistake to assume, for example, that Russian patriots hold views similar to those held by western nationalists. Hence the existence of what we could call “Our fundamental disagreement about WWII, Hitler, Jews and race”.
The Saker
I generally agree with this position. However, the 80-85% figure of the Bolsheviks being Jewish is massively overstated. To get such a figure, one would have to include anyone who ever had a Jewish ancestor and anyone even accused of being “Jewish.” For instance, many writers describe Lenin as being “Jewish.” Yet, Lenin’s Jewish ancestor rejected Judaism and converted to Christianity. Lenin himself rejected Jewish identity altogether (as Marx did), which is why Zionists have called both “anti-Semites.” I think what some Christian writers see as being “Jewish control of Russia” was really just atheist communists (of all ethnic backgrounds) trying to undermine and weaken the Russian Orthodox church.
I just wonder, do you REALLY believe that you know more about Russian history than Vladimir Putin, Alexander Solzhenitsyn and Andrei Dikii? I mean, seriously, what do you base your position on?
The Saker
Real number of Jews in Bolshevik Party RKP(b) in accordance to internal 1922 Party census could be seen here from archives:
http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/22661-vyp-5-natsionalnyy-sostav-chlenov-partii-1924#mode/inspect/page/11/zoom/5
As seen from the table on the page 11of 114 Jews constituted 5.2% of RKP(b) with Russians constituting overwhelming (72%) majority of the Party. First Sovnarkom as it was the case later too was overwhelmingly Slavic. Putin’s obvious mistake, never repeated ever since, in stating numbers of Jews in Soviet government was most likely an affair of a speech-writer and referents who prepared data. In other words, Putin merely repeated a mistake (possibly deliberate) which long ago became a myth of Russian October Revolution and is being promoted for specific ideological purposes. Majority of Jews in political organizations in Russia were concentrated in SR (Social Revolutionaries) and Bund parties, whose remnants, including career moves from those to RKP(b) have been purged, including under the banner of anti-Trotsky campaign. It has to be also clearly stated that Putin is facing (in progress) the necessity to reconcile his public views (his personal convictions are merely a matter for speculations) on Great Patriotic War as the war of Soviet people and this automatically negates any allusions to Solzhenitsyn, who dedicated his life to falsification of WW II history, and was openly Vlasovite. It is a cognitive dissonance for many Western observers, but it was precisely events of 1922-1940 which ensured that USSR defeated Nazi machine.
P.S. As per Jews, none other than Denikin defended Jewish units in Tsarist Army and if my Alzheimer doesn’t fail me–the chief editor of main printed media of Black Hundred was a Jew.
“As seen from the table on the page 11of 114 Jews constituted 5.2% of RKP(b) with Russians constituting overwhelming (72%) majority of the Party. ”
So you think that clinches it ? Russians were in control ???
I don’t think so. What you will need to show is WHO was in key leadership positions of POWER. Who was giving orders to whom. If those 5.2 % were at the bottom of the Power Pyramid then you have a point. The few well know key people in leadership positions suggest that that 5.2 % was pulling the strings of the Soviet Union and Stalin needed to eliminate them if he was to live.
Although Nixon was President his Secretary of State was Kissinger who WAS RUNNING the show. He likewise most certainly whispered into Nixon’s ear what “the right moves” he ought to take.
What you will need to show is WHO was in key leadership positions of POWER. Who was giving orders to whom. If those 5.2 % were at the bottom of the Power Pyramid then you have a point.
I don’t need to show anything. Be my guest (Google Translate will help).
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A1%D0%A0
First Sovnarkom had only one Jew–Trostsky. The rest–Slavs.
Andrei
I believe President Putin when he says 80%. The 80% being in positions of authority. The other question I have is whether the 1917 revolution was indeed a Russian revolution . I believe that it was a Jewish Bolshevik Coup-D’Etat. Robert Conquest the ‘ The Great Terror’ has an interesting analysis.
Robert Conquest
Robert Conquest is (was) not a historian and never was. He was Goebbelsonean-style ideologue, poet, but not historian. Number of people in Anglo world who have a clue on Russia’s XX century history could be counted on the fingers of one hand. People are free to believe whatever they want. Archives, however, speak louder. Next thing we learn–Anthony Beavor is a “military historian”, no way;))
Thanks for the reply Andrei. First of all why does someone ‘have’ to be an historian to write about historical events . Secondly Robert in his ‘reassessment’ of his book , did have access to the Soviet archives and his analysis held up. So why would you diminish his work? You write about military affaires , are you a bona fide expert according to you’re own criteria?
First of all why does someone ‘have’ to be an historian to write about historical events
I just wrote a whole book on that–history is not a science, it becomes one when fullness of information is fitted into the rigid framework of the causality. Humanities-“educated” so called scholars have no qualifications for writing historical books on the history of the XX century due to ever increasing gap between technological, tactical, operational, strategic and intelligence skills and those of white-board “academics” who have no concept of what is realistically involved into the issue of governing. Anglo-Saxon elites, bar some few notable exceptions, are completely unqualified in this field because none of then have any concept of modern warfare, which is a key element of governing in the last 120 years. Plus, one has to have serious engineering and military (intelligence) background to pass judgements on those issues.
did have access to the Soviet archives and his analysis held up.
He didn’t and and it didn’t, basically he was a neurotic Anglo “intelligentsia” impressed greatly with falsified and grossly exaggerated (if not outright absurd) data. Hi is an exhibit A of anti-historian and mindless propagandist, who did his part in the Cold War, with consequences of which we all have to live today. You may refer yourself to characterization of what was “taught”, say, in NATO intelligence schools such as in Garmisch, to Colonel Patrick Lang. Robert Thurston’s works demolished all Conquest’s ideas, while Zemskov’s works kiledl them entirely. I don’t know, may be he was aroused when imagining millions of peoples in Mordor being killed in the most ridiculous manner? I don’t know. I guess it is the same principle which is involved in watching horror movies on the big screen in theater and get scared shitless, just to feel one safe and sane after the show–there is a lot what is mentally wrong with Western “elites”. Just turn on the news, Russiagate is one of iterations of what Conquest would have envisioned. The more things changed, the more they stay the same. Yes, Putin eats babies for breakfast and Russians love to kill people–these are fundamental principles of Western “historiography”.
Andrei
Once again thanks . Now I do believe that you are omitting a most important variable in your criteria for analysing history and that is the ‘economics of war’ . You have a unquestionable understanding of the military equipment , tactics and strategy but the economics of war is not you’re forte. By saying that Robert Conquests reference to Soviet archives are (were) insignificant makes one think about the accuracy of these said archives. The reference that you make with Mordor is undoubtly with conjunction with the Gulag . This is worthy of another discussion yet Robert does go into detail of this horror. I would appreciate if persons regardless of nationality start tackling the ‘true’ reasons for the past wars and bring the proponents of these mass crimes into the public debate.
Again, Conquest had no access to archives and even if he did he wouldn’t know what to do with them. Per “economics”, Conquest was a propagandist, a crude one and very badly educated at that as is the case with most Anglo-Saxon elites. Any Ivy League (in US) or most ranking British degrees in economy are degrees in pseudo-sciences. Again, you can easily observe “competence” and “education” of Anglo “elites” and those result which flowed from those rich backgrounds easily in the last 20+ years. every day. There is no difference whatsoever between Conquest and Adam Schiff or James Clapper, or Solzhenitsyn, or Rachel Maddow, for that matter. West is now getting its “rewards” in full. One can lie for only so long. In simpler words, Western elites are utterly incompetent precisely because they were influenced by “scholars: such as I listed above. A body of overwhelming empirical evidence supports this thesis, and even number of American historians, such as Daniel Larison, among very many others will agree with this statement. The combined West doesn’t know Russia and is not capable of learning about it, or the rest of the world, because Western “education” in this field is bunk. Western “Russian Studies” field is a joke, a pathetic one. Was nice talking to you.
This :”The combined West doesn’t know Russia and is not capable of learning about it,or the rest of the world….”
As an African who grew up reading western versions of African History,i couldn’t agree more.
Thank you very much,Andrei Smoothiex12.
”Robert Conquest’s ’The Great Terror’ has an interesting analysis.”
Interesting, maybe — analysis, bwhaha. Robert Conquest just like, for instance, Ayn Rand was a right-wing political pornographer, writing hard-core fiction garbage in defence of Western imperialism getting handsomely paid as per agreement. Consuming pornography is addictive; aggressive language and fantastic statements stimulates the reader’s fantasy.
Re Robert Conquesti:
He seems to get quoted a lot by people writing about Russia and Ukraine.
The London Review of Book, Jan. 24, 2019, contains a review by Sheila Fitzpatrick of two of Conquest’s books. She contextualizes his views and preoccupations. Her review starts with a Conquest quote: –
They say [disapprovingly] that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too. A lot of people weren’t Cold Warriors – and so much the worse for them.
Robert Conquest, quoted by Jay Nordlinger in National Review, 9 December 2002
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https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v41/n02/sheila-fitzpatrick/people-and-martians
of two books,
The Great Terror: Stalin’s Purge of the Thirties
by Robert Conquest.
Bodley Head, 576 pp., £20, November 2018, 978 1 84792 568 8
The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivisation and the Terror-Famine
by Robert Conquest.
Bodley Head, 412 pp., £20, November 2018, 978 1 84792 567 1
It is behind a paywall.
But here are some grafs:
“There are rules for writing about the enemy in wartime. You must never forget that your side and his are at war, and that your side is right and his is wrong. Your writing must not give aid or comfort to the enemy. It should never humanise the other side but rather emphasise its essential, evil otherness. Overt partisanship is not just allowed in time of war but required. Even-handedness, if you choose to write about the enemy, would amount to treason.
Whether the same rules applied to writing about the Soviet Union during the Cold War (which after all was a war of words even if guns weren’t involved) became a big issue in Sovietology in the 1970s. There were young people like me who had recently come into the academic field and thought they should be able to write about the Soviet Union the way they wrote about everything else – that is, as objectively as they could. And there were people like Robert Conquest, a quarter-century older, formed in different intellectual and political circumstances, who thought the opposite.”
. . .
Born in 1917 to an American father and English mother, public-school and Oxford-educated, Robert Conquest made his first substantial contacts with the Soviet Union through his work in British intelligence during and after the Second World War. His first-hand sustained observation of communism in action took place in postwar Bulgaria (though some sources say he briefly visited the Soviet Union in 1937, during a short phase of Oxford student communism). From 1948 to 1956 he served in the Foreign Office’s secret Information Research Department, whose purpose was both to gather information about the Soviet Union (especially its misdeeds), and to disseminate it – in other words, to conduct counter-propaganda in a Cold War context. Conquest’s style of work and presentation was clearly formed by his IRD experience; and, as the quotation at the top of this review indicates, that was something for which he saw no need to apologise.
. . .
The Great Terror, first published in 1968, was an expansion of Conquest’s range from pure Kremlinology to a historical study of what are usually known as ‘the Great Purges’ of the late 1930s; and it brought his first big international success. While contemporary reviewers saw the book as placing the comparatively familiar Moscow Trials of 1936-38 in a broader context, those trials are still its dramatic centrepiece. Conquest’s basic sources are newspapers, defectors’ accounts, and some Soviet fictional and memoir treatments from the time of the Thaw. The prose is workmanlike (probably similar, like his sources, to that of his earlier IRD reports), but enlivened by occasional throwaway witticisms. The Moscow show trials, with their high camp drama, unexpected confessions from former political leaders, and Stalin the magician pulling the strings from behind the scenes, provided the perfect subject for him.
. . .
For Conquest, the Soviet Union’s otherness was absolute, and the Great Purges best seen through a prism of science fiction. Stalin as purger-in-chief did not have the ring of ‘a modern man, a terrestrial man, an earth man’, Conquest once said: ‘He sounds like a monster from some strange planet. I’ve written a science fiction novel amongst my various writings … and I think Stalin would fit in very well as a nonhuman.’ This worked not just for Stalin but for the Soviet Union in general, Conquest argued: ‘A science-fiction attitude is a great help in understanding the Soviet Union. It isn’t so much whether they’re good or bad, exactly; they’re not bad or good as we’d be bad or good. It’s far better to look at them as Martians than as people like us.’
Conquest’s other major monograph, The Harvest of Sorrow, subtitled ‘Soviet Collectivisation and the Terror-Famine’ and published in 1986, was explicitly a work in the IRD tradition of counter-propaganda, as Conquest acknowledged in the introduction: ‘The purpose of this book is … to register in the public consciousness of the West a knowledge of and feeling for major events, involving millions of people and millions of deaths, which took place within living memory.’ ”
I can’t copy the whole thing here. Those interested in Conquest in comparison to other analysts should read the LRB piece.
Katherine
IIRC the 85% were mentioned before, as being the percentage of jewish persons working for the Cheka.
A simpler way to look at it would be to ask “what do Trump and Putin have in common?”: they were both raised to power by their Chabad connections.
Since WW2 Chabad has become a major force in Judaism (in a similar way that the Wahhabi sect has become a major force in Islam), early in WW2 Rebbe Schneersohn, the Chabad leader, was at risk of elimination by the Soviets, and rescued from Poland by a Wehrmacht group at the behest of the US and transported to the US where they underwent a transformation from simply Messianic to Zionist-Messianic.
As for the “West” suffering a “multi-defeat syndrome”, all we’re suffering from is consumptive brain damage caused the education and media industries, and the over consumption of ephemera, recently compounded by mobile phone addiction.
Can Russia be “separating from the West”, when their current leaders both have the same group (Chabad) driving them? Or are they simply being used to set the stage for another destructive episode that will destroy the enemies of Zionism?
I think Churchill had it right:
“There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews.
It is certainly the very great one; it probably outweighs all others.
With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews.”
But then, we don’t have to rely only on him. Here is what the leading rabbi of the day had to say about it:
“The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that, just as in the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism, so also in the triumph of fascism will triumph Judaism.” — (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 143-144).”
Or we could look to leading Jewish periodicals of the day, which openly boasted of their role in the new Soviet government:
“The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.”
The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920
One can find dozens of such references by Jews and Gentiles alike, not in some academic study whose modern agenda should automatically be suspect, but rather contemporaneous eyewitness accounts to the events.
@ Anonymous
First of all, you are misquoting The Saker. He did not say “80-85% figure of the Bolsheviks being Jewish”. What he said was: “… 80-85% of Jews in the first Bolshevik regime …”. Bolshevik regime, not “Bolsheviks”. A huge difference.
As for relevant historic facts which you ought to learn, read Solzhenitsyn’s seminal “200 Years Together”, https://wikispooks.com/wiki/200_Years_Together, and other basic historic material.
Peter, you nailed it. 80% of the ruling class (Government and Party). This is what S called “regime”.
Thank you Peter!
sometimes I wonder if my critics even bother reading what I wrote.
The Saker
isnt being jewish based on race not your religion? im sure there are lots of Jewish atheists who dont practice any religion. however their mother was jewish so they are entitled to move to israel.
There really is no such thing as ‘race’ and certainly no such thing as a Jewish Race.
If there were then there must also be a race of Mushroom Hunters and Stamp Collectors.
they do dna testing to enter israel. YOU cant try and immigrate by saying i am jewish. i practice judaism. there are jewish christians, muslims and atheists. a jew is one by race.
almost every oligarch in russia today is jewish. i bet they dont spend much time with religion except for special events or family occasions. do some research on the race compared to the religion. either way they are both pretty low.
Martin Luther came to a very different conclusion from his experience with the German Jews. His book title says it all: “The Jews and Their Lies”.
Historian and economist Dr. Gary North documents one aspect of Jewish manipulation of culture in his book
“The Judeo-Christian Tradition: A Guide for the Perplexed”
http://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/pdf/the_judeo_christian_tradition.pdf
As for WWII and Operation Barbarossa, here’s revisionist historian Mark Solonin who was an archivist and has access to original war documents in the Soviet archives including the classified items.
http://www.solonin.org/en/article_mark-solonin-june-1941-final
Also, I don’t accept the “Jewish Christian” moniker. Either one is saved from the eternal wrath of God the Father by the grace of God the Father alone through faith in the finished work of Jesus the Christ alone through regeneration by the Holy Spirit alone and not by any works or one is not a Christian. No exceptions and no choice in the matter.
There is a starkly important (and evident) difference between ‘those who self identify as Jewish’, and the living sons and daughters of Abraham. I will say no more about that.
Sorry friend, there is no such thing as blood lines. It’s all about religion.
wrong. thats why israel reserve the right to dna test those who immigrate to israel.
If one were to accept the accuracy of the narrative regarding Abraham in the Old Testament, then the “sons and daughters of Abraham” would include most Arabs as Abraham also sired Ismael, the “seed” of the Arab nations. But more to the point, how would one determine who are these “true” bloodline Jews? Has modern genetic analysis advanced to that level? And if yes, then what percentage of “true Jew” genes would be necessary? It appears that the best genetic survey of modern “self-identified Jews” are of Turkic origin, probably from Khazarian roots. Most of the “living sons and daughters of Abraham” (and even Israel/Jacob for that matter) are probably Palestinians. Rather ironic.
The difference between Jews and Hitler is, Hitler has assaulted Russia from outside, Jews from inside.
Jews have exterminated twice Russians than Hitler.
Despite that, it looks like Jews still have power to shape Russian mentality, they’ve been doing it for millennia.
This is one of the reason why Russia and Israel are friends.
Dear “Tzar in waiting”
You clearly don’t feel that you need to know anything about Russian history before making such “grand” pronouncements.
I just wonder, did you even bother reading what I wrote?
Probably not.
Makes me wonder if I wasted my time…
The Saker
The Saker
You wrote another excellent article. However, I think you should have elaborated on the statement made by the EU, which accused both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union of starting World War two, which is totally and utterly absurd.
It is not surprising that the EU made such a statement, bearing in mind that the EU Central Bank is in the hands of private bankers, the very same ones who in 1931 created the Bank of International Settlement in Basel, Switzerland, and one which financed Hitler. On top of that you had Wall Street, which invested in Germany after World War One, like Henry Ford, who provided the German Army with transport. The point is that private bankers on a number of occasions tried to destroy Russia; in 1812 they financed Napoleon, in 1853 they financed the Crimean War, in 1871 the enabled the unification of Germany, preparing it for future world wars with Russia, in 1917 they both financed and organized the Russian “revolution” and after that they both financed and prepared Hitler for war with Russia. Readers better remember that the largest armies created by Napoleon and Hitler were the ones used against Russia. Historians never explained where Napoleon and Hitler found the money to finance them. The banker controlled EU is, of course, trying to negate and conceal all of this by overturning facts and presenting outrageous accusations.
Finally, just to remind readers that EU countries are also NATO members. Since Napoleon, the Kaiser, Lenin, Trotsky and Hitler all failed in the destructive attempts, the bankers are now backing NATO which, in conjunction with the EU, pulled that coup d’etat against Yanukovich in Kiev in 2014, hoping to place NATO along Russian borders. NATO too will fail. Interestingly enough, it is becoming unpopular in Europe, while the esteem of Russia is on the rise.
More or less sums it up. BF you bring up the important questions.
@ Historians never explained where Napoleon and Hitler found the money to finance them.
This is the second time in recent memory that I have had to address this exact statement, it is simply a false one.
Napoleon was financed through the Louisiana purchase of 1803 when France sold it to U.S.
Mostly the Brits and Dutch supplied the money for bonds, and the money went to France.
Hope the rest of your statements facts are not based on the same information that the line that I presented here was.
Alabama
Not true. As you stated your self, the Louisiana purchase was in 1803. The invasion of Russia was in 1812. I believe there was some fighting in between, which needed to be financed. Did the money from the sale of Louisiana – 15 million dollars – cover all the expenses between 1803 and 1815, especially the expenses between 1812 – 1814 ? Napoleon’s Army which invaded Russia had, officially, between 450.000 – 500.000 men, while unofficially 860.000 men. How much did all that cost, even in those days ?
When Napoleon was finally overthrown in 1815, French finances were on a sound footing, which would have been a theoretical impossibility if Napoleon did not have backers. I also see that you have completely ignored Hitler and his backers, offering no explanation. Read again my above comment.
In reality its all speculation as to where the money came from and where and when it was spent, for we were not there in person for either event and even to this date can not account for where the money comes and goes in today’s society.
You are probably moore likely to scramble you brains trying to figure it out or even come to a reasonable conclusion. The purchase money could have been used to pilfer more more money and the Germans could have had precious metals stored in Poland for all we know.
And dont tell me accurate records were kept in gvt, for trusting gvt always leads to dangerous and destructive outcomes in the long and short runs.
BF, your second number is closer, since Napoleon also had about 250,000 man of Polish Legion, which wasn’t officially part of French army.
Interestingly enough, for the Americans, those Poles came to US (hence American heroes like Kościuszko and Pułaski) and conquered Philippines for the US.
Wikipedia claims otherwise:
Poles formed the largest foreign contingent, 98,000-strong (the entire French Grande Armée was about 600,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_(Napoleonic_period)
Which does not mean that what they say is true.
Hitler must of been the greatest Economist of his times to raise Germany from the disastrous Weimar Republic into an industrial powerhouse.
Stefan Ratkiewicz
Yes, for a guy who never finished high school and never went to university, he was indeed a “great” economist. His “greatness” consists of outside help, like help from the Bank of International Settlement, opened in Basel in 1931, right next to the German border. How convenient for Hitler, having a bank so near and one that was opened two years before Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor. Coincidence ?
Turning the attention from these hot issues onto their financial aspects has a cooling, stabilizing effect.
Dominant powers interests and control of money are unquestionable.
B F All this mudslinging as to Who started WWII is nothing more than a distraction being covered up by the Bankster Class. War is not only extremely profitable for Banksters it more importantly ‘bankrupts’ the Governments of countries at war. This was evident after WWI and once again after WWII . The US was the exception until the Viet-Nam war . The US Govt approached insolvency and ended the Viet-Nam war not because it was the moral thing to do. The icing on the cake was 9-11 and the aftermath. 22 Trillion in debt and counting . The Banksters won.
I thought that Hitler was able to get Germany running again owing to the insights and advice (and contacts?) of Hjalmar Schacht.
My understanding is that at a crucial point Hitler was introduced to circles of influential industrialists, who got behind his program and party.
Katherine
They may very well have, but the one thing hitler needed help for was obtaining oil for the war machine, this lead to invasions of country’s for that sole purpose. Originally the plan was to use moonshine as the fuel, but as the war dragged on it was obvious that additional reserves of fuel were going to be needed and this was also a major contributing factor in the loss of the war. The technical machinery was superior, yet it needed fuel to operate and the resources diverted to do so, did not aid in this matter.
Alabama: This portion of the thread was about financing Hitler’s rise and his ability to get the German economy going again in the early thirties.
Saker’s great essay (great in both English meanings) does not even indirectly mention the rebuilding of the German economy in the 1930’s, but that was an absolute fact, which illustrates the power of fiat money and also explains much of the loyalty and admiration that most Germans felt towards Hitler and the NSDAP. The French dissidents have a couple of superb videos on this topic. It’s one of many things the West is supposed to not know about. The French dissident view is “If Hitler had been murdered in 1938, he would be regarded as the Greatest German Leader in history.” No need to mention the dissidents, like most people, wish that would have been the big event of 1938. Alas, it’s almost entirely in French.
It’s a stretch to mainly give credit to the conniving central banks, I think. Fascist Germany and Italy both put autarky into practice as possible. Germany had the size, the technological industry and material resources to be more successful with that policy. Ellen Brown’s book, “Web Of Debt” is very relevant here.
I hesitate to go further here because this is a distraction from the many large issues which Saker has raised in this very important essay, and it’s better if comments to focus on those issues.
There is so much in that essay, and many of the items are not easy for Western readers to access, that I think readers may be tempted to retread from the unfamiliar topics. In particular, I’d like to see far more about the topic of Jewish thinking and the Bolsheviks. My experience is that Jewish culture leads to certain ways of thinking, certain desired outcomes, and certain types of praxis, even when the work at hand has nothing to do with Judaism or Zionism. And it’s hard for both Jews and goyim to notice these differences. Needless to say I hope, but it’s deeply cultural, nothing more nor less.
BF, I think you have touched some interesting points. ‘All wars are bankers wars’, isn’t it – Smedley Butler again.
A masterpiece, dear Saker – thanks for that. To highlight a specific point:
“The West is not only losing militarily and economically, it is also agonizing culturally, socially, morally and spiritually. Furthermore, that which we all used to think of as “western values” is now being replaced by some insipid “multiculturalism” which seems to pious euphemism for the obvious plan to erase pretty much all of the western historical and cultural legacy. Like all forms of persecution, this one is also resulting in an increasingly powerful case of ideological blowback: a very dangerous and toxic resurgence of both Fascism and National-Socialism.”
(Add to that the insane and suicidal green policies, catalyzed by a yelling scripted Swedish girl with mental issues, who never goes to China to promote her views. If not sailing to Fukushima to protest against the dumping of a gazillion cubic meters of radioactive water into the ocean.)
As a European, working and living in Germany, I want to add something to that. I’m aware that the Saker is Swiss, but nevertheless I see the changes here in society. We get the propaganda stuffed down our throats in the same way the French prepare their gooses for foie gras. Nearly every tv commercial is multiculti, nearly every couple shown is mixed (which in reality is only some 5%) as if we are commanded to get mocca babies. In fact Nicolas Sarkozy once said it openly.
It will only work for some time. It may take decades, but there will be a blowback for certain. I may invite anyone wholeheartedly to read the book ‘Europe: the Dark continent’ by Mark Mazower. He is a brilliant British historian, who unexpectedly mixes it with economics, and describes the European history in the 20th century.
His tempting statement is that we may think that democracy (well, sort of) is a natural thing for Europe that only was interrupted for some time. He states that it is quite the reverse, and that it is a darn miracle that we live as such, and the underflow is always there. The track record of Europe is not so good.
Even when erased from the history books, I’ve heard quite some stories from friends. One of them described in detail how his grandparents *walked* from East-Prussia towards Western Germany, among many at the end of WW2. With 2 suitcases and the children on their back. On estimate 1-1.5 million civilians perished from exhaustion, fever, undercooling and the like.
Maybe up to 2 million German POW’s after WW2 have been starved to death by the Allied forces in detention camps. They were by a far majority not Nazi’s. They were mainly farmer boys, drafted and squeezed in uniforms.
Such stories may be ignored and denied by our dear paralyzed poodle leaders, but they are passed on from generation to generation and will not be forgotten.
Officially certified grievance groups may dominate public space (to paraphrase Philip Giraldi), but that doesn’t mean automatically that they are right. Yellow Vests, anyone? It *will* blowback.
Saker, as extensive and impressive your article is, it also touches that there is still so much to investigate and write about.
Cheers, Rob
farmer boys or were they hitler youth who were drafted by germany?
“The French dissidents have a couple of superb videos on this topic. It’s one of many things the West is supposed to not know about. The French dissident view is “If Hitler had been murdered in 1938, he would be regarded as the Greatest German Leader in history.””
Cosimo, do you have links or titles of these videos?
I can understand enough French to get by.
Katherine
I believe this was the video I saw back in 2014. Certain scenes from that video were certainly in the one I remember, but it’s possible this 8 minute video used some cuts from a 20 minute video. You can skip the first 90 seconds where Soral, an avowed national socialist like Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, was defamed for dalling himself a “national socialist” – by the usual liars. After 1:30 the video focuses on Germany in the 1930’s.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1lb10g
There is also a text that gives some very interesting statistics on Germany’s economy under the Nazis and before the war. Since it’s text, even shaky French will get you 100% of it, and for those without any French, Yandex translate will do the job.
https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/Comment-Hitler-a-resorbe-le-chomage-52765.html
Incidentally, the book which Soral is waving around says that the outside bankers had little or nothing to do with the German economic recovery. FWIW… The book is “La Révolution Européenne” by Francis Delaisi.
https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/La-Revolution-europeenne-de-Francis-Delaisi-16683.html
Cosimo
Thanks for the links.
I could get some of it, in particular the second link contains written French—much easier to figure out.
Interesting quotes from John K. Galbraith.
I knew nothing about Hitler’s four-year plan. Interesting reading.
Also I didn’t know that Hjamar Schacht lived until 1970. His memoir must make very interesting reading.
Per a Britannica entry, he locked horns with Goering, who was in competition with Schacht to manage the Germany economy. If Hitler made a good decision in placing Schacht in charge of the German bank and economy in 1934, he might have been pretty stupid to let Goering create aggravation for Schacht such that the latter bailed out of the government. I have also read that Schacht was not on board with Hitler’s rearmament plans. This might have come down to the same thing as the tussle with Goering. If Goering was championing rearmament then presumably this is what Hitler wanted.
Katherine
You forgot Russia-Japan war of 1905 and who sponsored both Japanese Empire and Russian corruptioneers (top rank, up to the very Romanov’s family)
Saker, a huge topic that you traverse with dexterity and precision.
Bringing clarity to such a deep and controversial historical and topical subject is remarkable.
All our lives we have been sold a version of history, of Russia, of the USSR, of pogroms, of purges, and WWII.
Only now, as the world has brought minds so close together through the Internet that we get analysis, critical thinking, facts, and historical accuracy.
The list of authorities Saker refers to gives us a treasure trove to bolster our knowledge.
Hearing and reading the latest mendacities out of Poland, the EU and the other phones of Russophobia about WWII is sickening.
I am grateful for Saker’s effort today to smart bomb these miscreants and their propaganda.
Very well written. Thanks
The alt righters who are in the middle of watching interviews of German soldiers “fighting to save Europe” , probably wont like the article. Because they really seem to believe that killing hapless ethnic (sic) Jews was saving Europe.
Paul holland
In 1812 Napoleon invades Russia. Historians describe it’s size as being either 450.000 men, or 500.000 men. Unofficially it was 860.000 men. Perhaps unimportant for this argument. The point is that the men who fought under Napoleon thought they were fighting for him, while the French contingent in his Grand Army (a minority) thought they were fighting for France.
In 1941 Hitler invades the Soviet Union (Russia) with three million men. The German troops in the invading Army think they are fighting for Germany, just like the French troops in 1812 thought they were fighting for France. Both are wrong. Both were fighting for the bankers, who financed both Napoleon and Hitler. Of course, the troops did not know this. Finance is a very touchy subject when it comes to Napoleon and Hitler. Historians are forced to ignore it. Should they face the truth, then the history books would need to be re- written and all the fiction removed.
You said “Both were fighting for the bankers, who financed both Napoleon and Hitler” and this was true for the WWI, too.
In this war Russians captured many Austro-Hungarian soldiers and kept them in POW camps. My grandfather was one of them. After October Revolution the Red Army liberated them and political commissars told them that “bankers, manufacturers and kings make wars for their own benefits scarifying lives of millions of common people, workers and peasants. As long as there are bankers, manufactures and kings there will be wars. In Russia people made revolution and now the power is in hands of workers and peasants. You should go back to your countries and do the same, take the power. Once the power is in hands of common people in every country there will be no wars because workers and peasants of the world are brothers and they need peace, not war.” How simple and yet true.
Yes Milan, it is simple but sadly it didn’t become reality, the power of money remained and in the newly formed Soviet Russia the political struggle just begun to open its feathers. After 70 years went down leaving behind huge sacrifices and tough lessons. Anyway, the leading ideology or better said the idea of freedom and equality is still living and will continue to live being a much bigger human aspiration than that of a simple political goal.
Russia distancing from the west?
Only to find itself intrinsically tied with the puppet master of the west..? Whose adherents happen to be responsible for countless millions of orthodox Russian massacres in the not so distant past…
This is Stockholm syndrome Saker. Putting a lipstick on a swine won’t make it beautiful.
This comment also makes me wonder if its author even bothered reading what I wrote.
The Saker
Thank you Saker for this so needed analysis.
In one place you say:
“I would argue that the history of the Russian culture is also fundamentally incompatible with any racist/racialist ideas.”
It would be great if you wrote about this in more details in the future because we belonging to Serbian culture fell the same and we know it comes from our Christian Orthodox faith formed in old days of Eastern Roman Empire.
Mr. Saker,
This is a lot to take in – most news sources obviously never discuss the things that you’ve gone into quite a bit of detail about in this post, and it’s refreshing to be able to read somebody with your point of view.
I am curious, though, as to how exactly you go about acquitting the Soviet Union of aggression in World War II. The traditional view of the people among whom I grew up is that the USSR’s treatment of Poland and Finland in 1939 demonstrated that there was an equal degree of aggression and cruelty on the part of the Nazi and Soviet regimes. If you have sources for a more pro-Russian view of these events, please share them so I can get the other side of the story!
Stalin ‘planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact’
Stalin was ‘prepared to move more than a million Soviet troops to the German border to deter Hitler’s aggression just before the Second World War’
By Nick Holdsworth in Moscow
5:16PM BST 18 Oct 2008
Papers which were kept secret for almost 70 years show that the Soviet Union proposed sending a powerful military force in an effort to entice Britain and France into an anti-Nazi alliance
The best and most exact source for this is Les Papiers Secrets du General Doumenq, a 1992 book by François Delpla. Doumenq was the head of the French delegation to Moscow in August 1939 to prevent WW2, and that book has his official report to the French Foreign Ministry from September 1939. General Chapochnikov offered that the Soviets would put up 70% as many troops as France and England combined. (pg. 82) That was 120 infantry divisions, 16 [armored] cavalry divisions and 5000 warplanes.
This story has been suppressed. The publisher pulped the book even though was enjoying good sales. It’s a bit expensive now, as a somewhat rare book. Delpla thinks the French government pressured the publisher, Olivier Orban, to dump it because the truth show the 1939 French and British governments were complicit in starting WW2. The French parliament’s official biography of illustrious French citizens includes Doumenq for his other contributions, but strangely his August 1939 mission to Moscow, which could have been the most important diplomacy of the 20th Century, is not there, as if it never happened !
In fact, the British government appears to have intended to start WW2. London gave “guarantees” of military support to Poland in March 1939, knowing full well that Britain had no means to provide any such support, but also knowing that the hotheads who ran Poland hated Russia, and had made deals with Nazi Germany, so the British “guarantee” would prevent any Polish-Soviet pact. Doumenq had to watch his words in that report because the Foreign Ministry could have easily “lost” his report. So in a few crucial spots, Doumenq used uncommon words with double meanings, e.g. Alexis Léger was “fort épaissi”, thickened or opaque.(pg. 40) But Doumenq says directly that London instructions to the British part of that mission was to delay as much as possible, and to not come to any agreement. Admiral Drax was not given power to sign anything. No one has ever explained how any delay would be desirable, and Drax himself said that Germany had mobilized 2 million troops for war against Poland. (pg. 84)
The only logical explanation is that Britain wanted to be sure this peace mission would fail, and that they only participated to fool the citizens, who vastly did not want war.
I can do that, but I don’t know whether my post will be posted.
Read the works by this american historian Carroll Quigley:
http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/quigley/anglo_12b.html
Tragedy and Hope, chapters on 1930s
http://www.carrollquigley.net/books.htm
In short, UK pushed Germany eastwards to destroy the USSR.
In short, UK pushed Germany eastwards to destroy the USSR.
In short, Europe pushed Germany towards USSR in WW II. Stalin outplayed Europeans and it was Continental Europe which fell first to Wehrmacht, while Great Britain was left alone for a few months to face Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine until Barbarossa unfolded in June 1941. Many in Europe still cannot forgive this to Stalin and USSR.
it seems that a defender of Britain is wound up here. The truth is that Britain was never innocent and took part in almost all riots if it was not the initiator. Given the English trail in almost all coups and revolutions, I sincerely doubt that the British were the only ones who opposed Hitler, perhaps some of their elites were against it, but many others very easily accepted it. He was “their son of a bitch.”
Thanks for this.
In order for me to have an informed opinion, I need to hear both sides to a story. Then I can make a rational decision on the issue. When I am only allowed to hear one side of a story and any claims to another point of view are condemned without investigation, I become suspicious of what I am being told that I am not allowed to challenge. Where I live, this seems to happen often.
I delve into issues simply seeking the truth as best I can determine it.
Saker,
I apologize for posting before I went through the entire article. It is actually quite good, raising more than one or two valid and relevent points. However, I beg your forgiveness that the issue of ‘hiding behind the Jews’ pisse# me off that quickly. It really does, a lot. I have to believe that most rational humans (Russian, or otherwise) understand what I am trying to say in this regard.
As for Russia, and the ‘Jews’…
Please…
Nobody should kid themselves, the actual and factual descendants of Noah, and Abraham, and David, and Solomon, and Jeshua, are perfectly f#####g safe in Russia and everybody f#####g knows it.
Anyone who would believe otherwise is simply not being as honest with themselves as they should be.
Also, I am very glad to see you back online.
Thank You.
The diplomatic correspondence between Stalin, Roosevelt, and Churchill during WWII is highly illuminating toward relative contributions to victory..
Bush brought Hitler to power
Thanks, but a lot of help came in 1920’s rom RCA-UK ( now called Serco ), and of course 1930’s Vannevar Bush helped the Naiz’s build rockets.
But nobody would have been able to co-locate, sort-merge, and manage the 6M Jews if not for Watson’s IBM, another Bush family Nazi.
Just saying
Today Serco owns ABC Media Ltd (UK), which owns Zerohedge. Amazing how soft power lives forever and never dies.
“But nobody would have been able to co-locate, sort-merge, and manage the 6M Jews if not for Watson’s IBM, another Bush family Nazi.”
I just read the Wikipedia entry on this issue, of which I had read but knew no details—as to just how this worked. That is, how did IBM facilitate the Jewish genocide?
It is pretty well explained in Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
The Hollerith system was used for conducting censuses, and the results were analyzed and were the basis for finding and keeping track of Jews and others (Roma). It sounds as though Edwin Black’s book on the subject, IBM and the Holocaust, should be a basic resource for resolving issues of how many Jews were rounded up in Germany and other European countries and were sent to camps.
According to the Wiki entry, cards—the information categories they were meant to tabulate and then analyze—were custom-designed for each country. In the French census there was no column for “religion”; hence, French Jews for the most part were left alone. it is asserted in the piece. (NB: Let’s recall that Jewish *is* a religion, not a nationality, as per Trump.)
This certainly sounds like a most interesting book, one that could resolve many of the wrangles that arise at, say, the Unz Review whenever Unz publishes an item relating to Jews and the extent of the Jewish and European genocide.
Katherine
“… NB: Let’s recall that Jewish *is* a religion, not a nationality, as per Trump. …”
It is neither. Jews are a tribe(!). It is loosely tied to religion, which acts only as a general binding factor.
There may be some limited parallel here, for instance, to the firm adherence of Russians, Serbs, et al. to Orthodoxy, without them necessarily being religious in a strict theological sense (especially among the intellectuals). It is the culture having been inextricably amalgamated with religion through the uncounted centuries past. (I am a Serb, and even though any philosopher could rightly count me as an atheist, I do attend the service on major holy days, and have a deep respect for our Church.)
A small detail about the term ‘Jews’. According to Google Translate the capital J is correct English. Perhaps, but very inconsistent: We don’t write ‘eskimo’, ‘ aboriginal’, ‘kurd’, ‘arab’, etc. with a capital. In Dutch it is ‘joden’, geen Joden. Of course, Israel, Hebrew, Israeli or Saudi are countries, languages and citizens, which should be capitalized.
Why do I bring this up? Because in Dutch articles, I can flawlessly detect hasbara propaganda (and semi-illiteracy) by the capital J. These linguistic changes seem to me not a small detail, but part of the same trend of rewriting history. I am convinced that the next Dutch spelling change (we do this every 25 years or so) will mandate the capital J…. But now it is still (F/f)aulty!
I am still confused whether I should write zio state or Zio state, zionist or Zionist. But now first back to the Wannsee Conference of January 29 2020 which is nothing less than the Endlösung of the Palestinian question (with Capital). Do I understand it right that Russia has also participated?
-A small detail about the term ‘Jews’.
There are two Jewish people. That is more basic than the details you focus upon.
Jewish people #1: Hebrews, Semites like Palestinians. Mostly Judaist
Jewish people #2: Caucasians, not Semites. Often Christian, and mostly not Judaist. No desert traditions. They will behave like Brits in Libya WWII time
The nazis party leadership was full of Jewish people #2.
Jewish people #2 dislike Jewish people #1
Capital for Jewish people #2 are cities like New York / Odessa.
“Tour de force” of language analysis! Commendable!
” We don’t write ‘eskimo’, ‘ aboriginal’, ‘kurd’, ‘arab’, etc. with a capital. ”
Yes, we do, if you are speaking of standard US English.
Merriam-Webster:
Es·ki·mo
noun
\ˈeskəˌmō\
1Ar·ab
noun
\ˈa-rəb, ˈer-əb; dialectal also ˈā-ˌrab\
Kurd
noun
\ˈku̇(ə)rd, ˈkərd
ab·orig·i·nal
noun
\¦a-bə-¦ri-jə-nəl, -¦rij-nəl\
Many house style guides now u.c. Aboriginal used as a noun.
It is Jew, Christian, Muslim, the Bible (but biblical), the Koran (but koranic), etc.
Rules for uc/lc are different in German and perhaps Dutch from those in English.
However, I somehow doubt that all hasbaraists are consistent in their use of u/lc.
Katherine
I find the words “the Western view” hugely perplexing. Is there such a thing? Sadly, the only consistent definition supported by history is this: “Any ideology that happens to suit the collective rapacity of the oligarchs in certain countries”. I request Saker (and/or others) to please comment on this hypothesis.
I believe that the West is on the path of destruction once again. Forced multiculturalism and multiethnicity in societies that have historically not been so, neoliberal destruction of purchasing power and social safety, the reinterpretation of history or even outright rewriting of it, and an overall sense of decline among other factors make prime conditions for the rise of hardcore nationalists. It may take years or decades, but at the current state of things their return is all but inevitable.
The Jews, with all the restrictions on making a critic or even challenging the “historic truth”, and the (sometimes very real) perception that they have a disproportionate amount of wealth and influence make them once again prime targets for hatred, both the innocent and guilty alike.
Those who don’t learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.
All the Labour MEPs voted for that motion.
You need to edit your piece to reflect that Ukraine and Poland are to the southwest of Russia, not the southeast. Of course, you know this and simply transposed either the map or the terms in your head. No criticism of the real substance of your work.
I enjoyed reading this.
One thing stuck out to me as curious.
Saker says ” the Ukronazi nationalists felt that they had been defeated. Again. The same goes for the Poles”.
This is to me very interesting, specifically the Polish part. I was sure that they clung to the victorious Soviet side blowing their contribution beyond all proportion.
Great article and it does provide a very important perspective.
Regards.
Thank you, Saker!
Your articles are a fountain of enlightenment for me.
I am young enough to realistically emigrate to Russia.
Truth is supreme! Culture must protect truth and not betray it.
Given the opportunities offered in Russia’s Far East for those willing to homestead there, your age and ambition, I’d go for it. If I were 20-something and knew what I now know, I wouldn’t hesitate. To have an idea of what you’d be getting yourself into, IMO the best place to start is with Putin’s recent address to the Federal Assembly. I also suggest reading the text of Putin’s remarks to the Joint meeting of State Council Presidium and Presidential Council on Science and Education. Now I’m not saying doing so will be easy; rather, IMO that’s where the best opportunity lies.
Please tell me more!
Homesteading in Russia? – wow!!!
When I was a kid, my dream was to “homestead” in Alaska (knowing that there is no real homesteading left anywhere in the USA anymore).
What I want, is to raise a family in a strong Christian culture that does not betray the truth, including the truth about my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
And I am quite willing to live the simple, harder life.
Thanks, Outlaw Historian! :)
There is a big difference between living with “the Jews” and sacralizing them. In my middle American life I have only met one or two people who were Jewish– one I greatly admired; one I wasn’t fond of.
To be honest “Jews” for me, falls into the category of vain knowledge. For example I read Nick Kollerstrom’s Breaking the Spell and I will say that I no longer believe the story of mass gas chambers. Likewise the dreaded Zyklon B probably is just an early insecticide. Still, the camps must’ve as bad or worse than working at Foxconn. And the horrors of war are something I know nothing about. Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.
A letter from Jewish French Dr. Roger Dommergue Polacco de Menasce to Stevens Spielberg
by Roger Dommergue Polacco de Menasce
I wish your honesty to be equal to your very great talent. I saw you on T.V in France. You declared that
you would pour out Shoa propaganda in German schools. You mentioned that witnesses would be con-
vinced for good, as to the reality of the Shoah (6-million-gas-chambers). I feel it my duty as a Jew and
after 20 years of study of the historical problem of the holocaust, to call your attention to the facts.
Facts are very stubborn and as no one can gainsay them, our congeners have been compelled to make disgusting politicians enact stalino-orwellian laws which forbid to mention anything concerning the dogma
of the âsix-million-gas-chambersâ, definitively reduced to perpetual worship of this alchemy.
https://archive.org/details/ALetterFromJewishFrenchDr.RogerDommerguePolaccoDeMenasceToStevens
In case of no respect of silence and worship of the myth, you suffer the penalty of fines or prison or both. Professor Faurisson, who has been studying the subject for 20 years, has been practically massacred.
This is utterly ridiculous, but give the Police and the Justice of all countries to Mr Lévy, he will not be ridiculous any more: here is the XXth century!
AVOF (INTERVIEW): ERNST ZUNDEL AND DR. ROGER DOMMERGUE POLACCO DE MENASCE
HAVE AN INTERESTING CHAT
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZPmp4BJgKuE4/
Hi Saker
To start, your reference to “while original Christianity (i.e. Orthodoxy)”, does not agree with the historical record. Original Christianity is found in the book of Acts, where there was no allegiance to any denomination. Original Christianity, which predates Augustine by centuries, and hence the Roman Church, and after that the Orthodox Church, was an organic movement, totally inspired and directed by the Holy Spirit, and totally devoid of man’s political constructs, which all denominations, such as the Roman Catholic Church, and the Orthodox Church etc, are.
I was baptised in the Russian Orthodox Church, Melbourne, Australia, about three score and ten years ago, and I am fully aware of the nature of the institution. I do love the Orthodox expression of Christ, but so many of it’s teachings are totally unnecessary, given the good news of Christ.
As for Russians, your comment that ” I would argue that the history of the Russian culture is also fundamentally incompatible with any racist/racialist ideas”, does not square with my observations in the diaspora, nor generally. Maybe you see Russian Culture as different to garden variety Russians? You might say that the Russians that I mingle with at Church are “westernised”, so they are not the same as true Russians. That to me would sound like the “No true Scotsman” test, if that is what you meant. Many Australian Russians, do consider that some Jews, (not all) are a problem. It is not “racial”, just an observation of their worship of Mammon. Look at the financial world.
One cannot avoid what happened at the Crucifixion of Christ. Matthew 27 verse 25 : “All the people (Judeans) answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!” Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. They brought a curse upon themselves, and it has been carried for 2000 years, so far. That comment was not lost on God.
Anyway, I do not think that putting Russian Culture on a pedestal as an example is not doing anyone any good, for the simple reason that all of us humans are born with the propensity to sin, and that should be acknowledged.
I do like your blog and your analyses. Please do not take my comments as a negative criticism, but a criticism they are.
“Long may you run” (Neil Young)
Cheers Peter
Orthodoxy (Pravoslavia) is not a ‘denomination’. It means ‘the right opinion (doxa), belief’ and the ‘right worship’ (which in Greek is called also ‘doxa’). The Church of the Apostles had the right belief about the Christ and his teachings which they transmitted (Predania/Tradition) to their followers. Those who kept this Tradition as it was in the time of the Apostles are ‘orthodox’ by definition. Those who did not, or doubt, or put their own interpretation in the place of the Tradition as it was kept by the followers of the Apostles, are not orthodox. You speak like an unreformed Protestant despite your baptism (hopefully you don’t consider baptism an ‘unnecessary’ teaching). You have not acquired the ‘Orthodox phronema’.
Mr/Mrs/Ms Anonymous
You use the phrase “unreformed Protestant” in a pejorative sense. But thanks. I take it as a compliment.
Scriptures are my only frame of reference, not “Church Tradition”, which is fine, only so long as it agrees with Holy Scripture. Yes I am a sola scriptura kind of guy, and proud of the purity found therein.
No, Baptism is very important. As for the Orthodox “mind”, no, I did have that until Christ appeared to me, and I seriously studied the Holy Scriptures. I do love the Russian Orthodox Church. But why do so many conflicts arise about issues that are not central to the Gospel of Christ, by which we are saved from this evil world? I would suggest that the reason for conflict is solely due to the fact that impure teachings have been embraced, and the fight is over Man’s various additions to the Gospel.
Dear Cheers Peter;
When You write “for the simple reason that all of us humans are born with the propensity to sin”, this is ‘the crux’ of it all.
“Saint” Augustine was famous for his poor mastery of the Greek language of the Bible. He read the Pauli letter where Saint Paul/Saul states thet “Just like Adam, we are all likely to sin” as a dogma saying that “Sin is inherited through the ffall ov Adam into sin (by tasting the fruit fram the tree of knowledge). This has been a recurrent error in the Western churches — fortunately avoided by tha eastern and southern christian orthodoxies!
Here in Scandinavia, there is a constant insistence on this and a constant revolt against it.
We might disagree about WWII: we must agree about WWIII – avoid it. Although the portents are not encouraging.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
Error now fixed after publication. The Ukraine is of course South and to the West of Russia, not to the East. Thanks to the sharp readers that picked this up.
A great article explaining very clearly and thoroughly the dynamic of thought in Russia and the West regarding jews and nationalism.
Thanks a lot.
Historically, a debatable assumption regarding the total absence of Russian guilt in the war (Katyn, Staline’s preparations to start a war against Germany: https://www.unz.com/book/john_wear__germanys-war/), but the real/main thing is that Russians and Jews were brother in arm during WWII against the nazis.
What this situation implies is that most Russians cannot see that the “West” policies have been hijacked by political judaism for a very long time now, despite their bloody experience with it during the first part of the 20th century. That is a worrying prospect for Russia and the whole world.
The second thing to consider is where does this new discourse about Russian guilt in WWII comes from? If it is clearly coming from nostalgic racist nationalists in Ukraine and Poland (with the support of their western masters), I do not think it is the case in the western world. Those new accusations in the West against Russia come from institutions which are controlled by the zio-nazi, not from grassroot western nationalists.
Good article as always – thank you. I’d like to raise a few points though:
>True, when patriotism (love for one’s country) turns into nationalism (love of one’s ethnicity), then things typically go south,
That is to say that they encounter resistance? Countries come and go – they are by and large political boundaries. Love of one’s people though is a love that transcends these boundaries (as evidenced by Ashkenazi jews living in Europe for example). People come to love the land by association with their forbears (farmers in particular) but it is the love of one’s people I would say that is over arching.
> EU declares in a solemn vote that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were both equally responsible for WWII, then a fundamental red line is crossed.
Well they are certainly very wrong if that is what you mean. WW2 was inevitable from the moment the treaty of Versailles placed the German people in perpetual servitude and attempts began to inflict cultural genocide on a nation. The responsibility therefore lies on those who crafted the ‘treaty’.
>does not change the Russian awareness that no matter how much Hitler and his minions are disliked or even hated in the West, Russia and Russians will always be hated even much more.
The Germans are no longer considered a threat to ‘the west’. They have been successfully neutered after 70 years of occupation and propaganda. It is natural that ‘the west’ thus turns it attentions back to Russia who remain stubbornly resistant to the political and cultural hegemony of ‘the west’.
>they also truly understand that the vast majority of Jews murdered by the Third Reich were simple, innocent, people whose only crime was to be of the same ethnicity/religion as some other Jews who did, indeed, richly deserved to be hated for their racist messianism (be it religious or secular).
Murder implies both pre-meditation and action. There were undoubtably jews murdered by Germans between 1939 and 1945 but I have seen no evidence that this was state sponsored – circumstantial evidence just doesn’t wash in a murder trial. For example there was certainly anti-jewish propaganda (circumstantial evidence) but then I could find an equal amount of jewish anti-German propaganda from the ‘Judea declares War on Germany’ of 1933 forward. However despite the fact the British cracked enigma in 1940 no evidence has surfaced that there was ever any state sponsored genocide or order to that effect.
> the fact is that history has forever created a bond between Jews and Russians: their common memory of the mass atrocities perpetuated against them by the Nazis. No amount of political gesticulations will change that.
Which atrocity? A great many sins of omission and commission happen in war time and each must be carefully researched to ensure that any crimes are brought to light.
>Then, after the 1917 Revolution, Russia was initially submitted to two decades of Jewish terror, especially a kind of terror directed against the Russian people and the Orthodox faith. With the coming to power of Stalin, however, major changes took place (and most of those who had drowned Russia in innocent blood were themselves executed during the famous “purges”).
Is mass murder, as a punishment for mass murder something to be celebrated? You seem to imply here that there was a jewish purge by Stalin for which I have seen no evidence (perhaps my ignorance?)
>his purges (and reforms) did profoundly change the nature of the Soviet regime, including the ethnic composition of the leaders of the CPSU which became much more diverse.
Ethnic cleansing? Where is your evidence that the heavy jewish influence in the NKVD was diminished after Stalin took charge?
>has ALWAYS been multi-religious, multi-cultural, multi-ethnic and pretty much any and all other “multi-something” you can think of. For all the many sins of the Russian people during their history, racism was never one of them!
I think that this is one of the reasons that in Mein Kampf Hitler gave up on Russians except as serfs for a greater German Riech. To Hitlers logic they may as well serve in ordered German farms and cities as serve the Jews under bolshevism. “Destiny itself seems to wish to point out the way for us here. In delivering Russia over to Bolshevism, Fate robbed the Russian people of that intellectual class which had once created the Russian State and were the guarantee of its existence.”
>Simply put: in a culture which does not really believe in the importance of ethnicity no truly racist ideology can develop. It is really that simple!]
The truth of the matter in a nutshell.
>Russians have exactly zero guilt about what happened in WWII. In spite of all the lies currently spread in the West, the Soviet Union did not start WWII – the Soviet Union pretty much single-handedly defeated Hitler and ended the war
Well perhaps the Russians may be guilty of mobilising against Germany despite the non-aggression pact between them – forcing the implementation of the German Operation Barbarossa (as argued convincingly by Surorvov in ‘Icebreaker’.
> they do like to remind their Jewish friends that the Russian nation suffered anywhere between 20 to 27 million dead people during WWII, thus denying Jewish victims any superior victim status over non-Jewish victims.
True enough, moreover many of them killed or recklessly endangered by the overwhelmingly Jewish NKVD.
”Well perhaps the Russians may be guilty of mobilising against Germany despite the non-aggression pact between them – forcing the implementation of the German Operation Barbarossa (as argued convincingly by Surorvov in ‘Icebreaker’).”
The author’s name is Suvorov, mind you. And, no, Western victimology — no matter who peddles it — is just utter hogwash. Indeed, this is yet another interesting example of competing falsehoods about Stalin’s USSR: On one hand, the Red Army was prepared for war with Germany as its very instigator. On the other hand, the Red Army was totally caught unawares and ran for their lives when Nazi Germany struck.
Bottom line: The Soviets were right. Bourgeois ideology merits mental hospitalization.
“On one hand, the Red Army was prepared for war with Germany as its very instigator. On the other hand, the Red Army was totally caught unawares and ran for their lives when Nazi Germany struck.”
You should read Suvorov work, if you haven’t. What he explains is that Stalin was building an offensive force (planes, tanks, troops) against Germany along the frontier. This force wasn’t at all designed for defense, and no defensive network had been implemented. This big build-up is the only reason why the germans had so many shot on targets and made such a big number of prisoners during the first days of the war: a huge soviet army was there.
But this, ahem, ”interpretation” by Suvorov is totally incompatible with the more comme-il-faut explanation by the Western intelligentsia (and its parrots elsewhere) to the effect that the baby-eating monster Stalin was being very duly warned by the British and French about an impending German attack, but ignored these warnings deliberately for any (un)imaginable reasons.
Again: It’s amusing how Western propaganda applies liberalism to a T. Slandering Stalin is compulsory; doing so consistently is not.
“. . . competing falsehoods about Stalin’s USSR: On one hand, the Red Army was prepared for war with Germany as its very instigator. On the other hand, the Red Army was totally caught unawares and ran for their lives when Nazi Germany struck.”
Well, both statements are true to a certain extent.
Stalin was preparing for war. Had to.
But as for the specific time frame for the beginnign of Barbarossa, Stalin dropped the ball.
He ignored intelligence from his top spy in Tokyo, Richard Sorge, as to the exact scheduled date of the beginning of Barbarossa. So, the frontlines were not prepared and the Germans got a major advantage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge
Katherine
Author name was Rezun (“cutter”, in Ukrainian style of Slavic).
Suvorov is a famous hero whose name he borrowed, probably to use his halo for the benefit of his writings.
Icebreaker has a lot of insights, that sold pretty well when Soviet archives were stupidly closed. Just like Soviet books of Solzhenytsyn. They fare much worse after the archives were opened.
Frankly, his main works are much similar to Archipelago Gulag. Same repetitive tune, which in the end becomes self-contradicting. Same thrill of unorthodox hidden lore. Same mix of unpopular facts with hearsay.
There was a huge discussion of Rezun on UNZ, and while reading his works would not hurt, trusting them would be naive.
I really just do not want to repeat all the points yet again, so if someone wants for specific reasons to be reserved about Rezun’s hypothesis just find that long forum thread and read.
I think his role was exactly to pave way for Stalin=Hitler doctrine, by drawing a picture pleasant to pro-Soviet folks.
“yes, we would rather be strong glorious bastards, rather than wimpy pathetic victims!”
Fine for London strategy, just agree being bastards.
Concerning Hitler’s supposed contempt of Russians, it is still interesting to read Mein Kampf, where the words “this great people” are applied to the Russians, and bolshevik atrocities are deplored in terms rather reminiscent of today’s human rights discourses. There is certainly more complexity than Soviet war propaganda let out. As David Irving remarked, many of the myths still running around WWII are war propaganda for some reason being still actively supported a long time after the war. Many of the genocide stories mooted at Nurnberg came from the Soviet side (e.g. the use of diesel trucks to gas people, which is a technical absurdity), giving the impression that Jews still occupied a prominent role in Soviet propaganda. On the other hand, the Brits and yankees (and to a lesser extent the Soviets) had a vested interest in letting all evil be ascribed to Germany, as to this day this makes it a crime to investigate atrocities against German populations, not least in Germany. Of course, the task of this kind of article is to present a capsule of the important information. And it is certainly all-important to emphasize that 80% of the nazi war machine was neutralized by the USSR. I would add that this took place before the US realized it was bootless to assist Germany, as had been their plan so as to prolong the war and make it as murderous as possible.
” as to this day this makes it a crime to investigate atrocities against German populations, not least in Germany. ”
What? It is a crime to investigate crimes against Germans in WW2?
What law is that?
What does “investigate” mean in this context?
I understand that for many decades shame and a burden of guilt prevented Germans from really looking at this aspect of what had happened to them, but I certainly have also read accounts of what the expulsion of Germans from the diaspora lands of the eastern Europe entailed, plus of course accounts of the fire bombings.
Katherine
There are many publishers who would be happy to publish the English translation of 200 Years Together. However, it is being held back by an organization that has the rights. They want to ensure the quality of the translation and also that another book by Solzhenitsyn, The Red Wheel, is published first. This book has now been published, in Nov. 2019, so hopefully we won’t have to wait 200 years for 200 Years.
The Red Wheel
Series: The Center for Ethics and Culture Solzhenitsyn Series
Hardcover: 728 pages
Publisher: University of Notre Dame Press (November 15, 2019)
“The fact that this slo-mo rehabilitation is still currently and mostly confined to the margins of the political discourse does not change the Russian awareness that no matter how much Hitler and his minions are disliked or even hated in the West, Russia and Russians will always be hated even much more.”
BRAAVO BRAVISSIMO!!!
But remember also: that WW2 started in Abyssimia (now Ethiopia) as an anti-semitic war by Italy earlier than the British treatchery in Munich. And at the “Marco Polo Bridge Incdent close to Bêijing in ca. 1937 — if not earlier with the Jap. establishment of “Manchûko/Mânzhoūguó/Man3chou1kuo2” earlier in the nineteen-thirties.
Not to mentioned the Soviet tank-army hit-back & the defeat of Japan in 1939 and the successive neutrality of Japan v-a-v the Soviet Union and that the WW2 ended not with onluy the defeat og Jiâng Jièsh´(Chiang6 Kai1-shek4) by the Chinese CCP, but continiud in the Korean war an Indochina.
Is there any reason not to mention the French translation?
Alexandre Soljénitsyne : ‘Deux siècles ensemble’ – Paris, Arthème Fayard, Tome I 2002. Tome II 2003
Yes, the article was written in English and for an primarily English speaking audience
Either that, or I am a Mossad-paid “gatekeeper” who also works for the Iranians, the Russians and the Venezuelans :-)
The Saker
I have only ever heard of the Russian persecution against the Jews, now to find out such did not happen in Russia but in Ukraine by mainly Latins. I even feel humbled regarding the Russian love and insistence on truth. It is nearly completely missing in the west. Russia is now being blamed for the Democrat debacle in Iowa. The lying propaganda here never seems to have an end. And in large, the people cheer for it. The west is guilty until proven innocent. Western leaders appear to have very little understanding of history.
My love for the people of Russia and my respect for Mr. Putin have grown even more after reading this essay. After I finish moving a fresh snowfall, I still have to enjoy dessert from this banquet (which is following the article links).
Thanks for all the work you put into this. At nearly 66 I’m getting the education I never got in the government indoctrination centers when I was young!
“.. It is nearly completely missing in the west.”
this was one of my biggest surprises (being a Serb who’s spent more than half of his life in USA, UK and Canada)
I have always assumed all cultures are as truth-seeking as Russians or Serbs seem to be
It was the Novichok scandal that convinced me western media has lost it completely – and that truth is the last thing they want to expose.
It was shocking to see how zombified most people here are and their willingness and capacity to believe obvious lies and fraud…
That’s why I am trying to get out of such western countries where stupidity and lies are glorified.
Had I known this is how these people are I would have never moved to any of these 2 places.
I am actually trying to dump my US citizenship
if anyone knows what is the cheapest way to do that without having to pay Uncle Satan thousands of USD please let me know
Saker – I am disappointed that you have brought out the same old anti-Soviet tropes forever repeated by the zionazis controlled MSM.
“By the way, during the Civil War, the Reds often were the worst perpetrators of these pogroms because they also saw the comparatively wealthy Jews as class enemies in the Marxist sense of the word.”
“These Bolshevik Jews were typically concentrated in the secret police organs and they typically spearheaded the massacre of millions of Orthodox Christians (which have since been gloried by the Russian Orthodox Church in Exile and, later, somewhat reluctantly and only partially, by the Moscow Patriarchate, as the “New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia”).”
I understand that you are partial to the Russian Orthodox Church – but the reality is that like the Roman Catholic Church and all subsequent derivatives – they are nothing more than instruments of mass control far more effective than a secret police.
Russia/USSR defeat and conquest is the ultimate goal of the bankster families. Nothing has changed since the Napoleonic invasion to Hitler to the present (all were working for the zionazis bankster team – any other talk (ideology/religion/race) is just window dressing.
The USSR was the strongest bulwark against the transnational globalist’s rampage – ultimately weaken and destroyed and betrayed from within – but now the Russian Federation with Putin at the helm there is at least a nationalist movement which intends to push back the western jewish oligarchy.
Ultimately it is a class struggle – but a class struggle being fought by the wealthy. The jews are just another cult of useful idiots and you waste your time trying to rationalize or explain their place in the Bolsheviks or for that matter in the USSR or even how they run the current host = USA. What is most important is to expose the mechanisms by which the zionazis elite or any elite can use to create a prison planet for humanity.
That exposure makes it much more difficult for vassals to be complicit in the fraud that is capitalism.
Thanks for this Saker. I hear the “Putin is a zionist” mantra way to often nowadays. Since i dont have a good grasp of Russian history i just let it go, all though i always understood their must be a bunch of nuances that these western people arent understanding. This isnt meant to be a slight to western people because you can only know what you know, and only within the confines of what you were taught. The same thing happens to figures i understand and studied, who i knew were genuine, but i see many comments from western people dismissing them as “agents of zionism.” Which would make me laugh because some of these people they accused had an entire life which could be studied, and their stances against zionism was as obvious as the sun. For various reasons i assumed this to be the case with Russia or Putin, so thanks for this piece as it gives me something to go off of.
“True, when patriotism (love for one’s country) turns into nationalism (love of one’s ethnicity), then things typically go south, but that is a danger of which the Kremlin is acutely aware of and that is why Russian nationalists are, after Russian Wahabis, the most frequently jailed people in Russia under anti extremism laws”
Islam has the same view as this. Nationalism is incompatible with Islam. While patriotism is seen as a positive thing. I’m happy that the Russian’s understand this. I remember reading one of the reports on this site where Putin said something to the effect of he hates nationalism. I have also dealt with a lot of wahhabis throughout my young life, usually in the form of arguments. From these interactions i would tell my brother that the wahhabis are similiar to extreme nationalists in their behavior. I believe this is so because both ideologies were deeply materialistic.
Zionism itself was created in this nationalistic European environment. It was the French during Napoleons time that laid the foundations of modern day nationalism. It spread throughout the rest of Europe from there. The western world uses nationalism to divide people up. They come to the arab world and say “dont trust the Iranians, they are Persian and you are Arab.” Meanwhile in Iran they will push this Persian thing to make the people want to leave Islam and take a more nationalistic approach. Just go through various comments section you will these types of comments yourself, its an obvious ploy. As the western zionists fear Iran for many reasons, Islam being the root cause. This is why they use wahhabism because its something more in line with their ideology, its something they can control, and present as their counter fit version of “islam.” At the same time i can see why western nations fall into the trap of nationalism. Without it they would be left in an ideological void. Basically its a pretty crappy situation to be in for the west. Islam and Christianity are able to dodge this dilemma because its a universal call. Our unifiying factor is the fact that we are all humans, who have a soul. This soul is the important thing, not a bunch of external factors that were complete accidents in a sense, like race, or the boundaries you ended up being born in. But materialism is so strong in the western world, that even if they attempt a more “religious” life, they are only able to view religion through the prism of materialism. An example of this is all the televangelists, and prosperity gospel preachers in the west. So this makes these “seeking people” doubt religion even further, because they only see a shallow imitation at best. Really sad situation.
Before Imam al Khomeini (ra) passed away, and before the collapse of communism in the Soviet Union he wrote a letter to Gorbachev, showing he had more trust with them, than he did with the US. This is shocking because the communists were atheist while the Americans had “freedom of religion.” But in spite of that he declared that America was the “Great Satan” great here is not a positive thing, not the soviets. He saw the western world as satanic, while in the former Soviet Union he saw a cause for hope. I will post the letter below.
https://www.al-islam.org/call-divine-unity-letter-imam-khomeini-president-mikhail-gorbachev-imam-khomeini/letter
Hi Ahmed
>“True, when patriotism (love for one’s country) turns into nationalism (love of one’s ethnicity), then things typically go south, but that is a danger of which the Kremlin is acutely aware of and that is why Russian nationalists are, after Russian Wahabis, the most frequently jailed people in Russia under anti extremism laws”
I would say that [ethno] nationalists are more frequently jailed world-wide because it is a harder force to control and direct through politics and propaganda than is patriotism (whose definition can shift with the sands – it is currently called ‘British Values’ in the UK). Ethno-Nationalism is therefore universally feared and suppressed under ‘anti-extremism’ laws exactly as you say. All groupings are of course mechanisms of control to a degree (religion, politics, country, race etc); race though is the hardest to control by man, precisely because it is nature’s way of grouping. Walking down a street it is hard to pick a Frenchman from a Russian; not so tough to distinguish a Nigerian from a native Swede.
>They [the West] come to the arab world and say “dont trust the Iranians, they are Persian and you are Arab.” Meanwhile in Iran they will push this Persian thing to make the people want to leave Islam and take a more nationalistic approach.
‘The West’ has been going after Iran and her allies since at least 2001 and will attempt to fracture along whatever cultural fault lines exist as is the case when any regime change is attempted (c.f Syria and Iraq). Iran (the country) is man made and will inevitably cease to exist at some point – whether or not the Persians cease to exist will depend on whether they retain enough cultural cohesion to continue separate from their Turkish, Kurdish & Arab countrymen.
No i disagree with you. We have different world views.
Anyone experiencing the ethnic monopoly of Tartar porters at Moscow railroad stations in the later years of the Soviet Union will have no doubts about the good status of Muslims in the Soviet Union and Russia. Furthermore the prevalence of Baku Azarbaidjani “bissnessmannskiij” in Soviet hotels during those times. Or the former priviledged status of trans-border Uighur and Tadjik and Kirghiz smugglers beteen the USSR and the PRC. It shurely had to come to some kind of an end.
”Indeed, russophobia has a long and ’distinguished’ history in the West: western leaders change, as do their ideological rationalizations, but their hatred and fear of Russia always remains.”
Exactly — with the distinguished exceptions of USSR/Russia under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. One thing which our so-called Western ”leaders” and much of the West’s populace avoid like the plague is the issue of Russian public opinion which holds Stalin, Brezhnev, and Putin in considerably high esteem. While Brezhnev is not that controversial a figure, Stalin and Putin definitely are. One of the more comical manifestations of Western paranoia with regard to Stalin is that while it’s strictly compulsory to slander him, doing so consistently is not. So here we have the Western Liberals yelling ”Stalin was a worse anti-Semite than Hitler” while Western Nazis yell ”Stalin was a Jewish bootlicker”. Or the competing falsehoods about Stalin being fond of Hitler vs. Stalin amassing troops to gobble up and enslave Germany, hence the poor Nazis launching their long since planned extermination campaign against the USSR in ”self-defence”. Putin is greeted with very similar Western inanities and insanities, and the interesting thing here is that the ongoing self-destruction of the West is due to its failure to finish off Russia once and for all — Putin stopped that. His standing, like Stalin’s, in Russia and in the West, is no accident.
”Hitler was a complex personality and the Nazis were demonized beyond way beyond anything reasonable.”
As for Hitler’s personality, it was exactly the same as the average American’s — to wit, anything but complex: rabid anti-intellectualism, zero interest in foreign languages, sense of entitlement to other peoples’ natural resources and labour output, and infatuation with sadist violence and militarism. Case closed.
While it’s true that the German Nazis have a poor reputation in their own native West, what should be noted is that their crimes in the USSR and the Balkans are not part of it at all. The Wehrmacht’s top brass were welcomed into the ”International Community” in 1955 as ”de-nazified” West Germany joined NATO in the fight against ”totalitarianism”.
>to wit, anything but complex: rabid anti-intellectualism, zero interest in foreign languages, sense of entitlement to other peoples’ natural resources and labour output, and infatuation with sadist violence and militarism. Case closed.
Do you have any evidence from Hitlers writings or speeches attributed to him to back this up Nussiminen? Hitler lamented the destruction of the intelligencia by Bolshevism and I have seen zero evidence of enthusiasm for ‘sadist violence’ (he detested hunting animals for sport for example). I’m not sure you can ‘close a case’ without siting any evidence. Stalin on the other hand encouraged the murder of civilians even within his own population under order 0428 – the crimes for which were often attributed to the Wehrmacht or SS in exactly the same manner as the Katyn forest massacre.
From order 0428:
“All settlements, in which German troops are found, up to a depth of 40 60km from the main lines of battle, are to be destroyed and set on fire; so too all such situated 20-30km from the roads. For the total destruction of the settled areas, the Soviet Air Force will be made available. Artillery and rocket launchers will be used extensively, as well as intelligence units’ skiers and Partisan divisions equipped with bottles with flammable liquid. These hunting expeditions in their activities of destruction are to be dressed to the greatest extent in German soldier’s uniforms and uniforms of the Waffen SS looted from the German Army.
This will ignite hatred toward all fascist occupiers and make the conscription of partisans from the outlying areas of fascist territories easier. It is important to have survivors who will tell about German atrocities. For this purpose, every regiment is to form hunter units of about 20-30 men strong with the task to detonate and incinerate the villages.
We have to select brave fighters for this action of destruction of settled areas. These men will be especially recommended to receive bravery awards when working in German uniforms behind enemy lines and destroying those settlement outposts. Among the population spread the rumour the Germans are burning the villages in order to punish the partisans.”
I wouldn’t close my case here except so say that from the evidence I have seen the war crimes committed by Stalin and Soviet Russian in WW2 far outweigh, in terms of both ferocity and quantity, those evidenced against the 3rd Reich.
”Do you have any evidence from Hitler’s writings or speeches attributed to him to back this up, Nussiminen?”
I think Mein Kampf does come in quite handy here, since it was scribbled right after Hitler’s sophisticated soeech, hence satisfying both your requirements at once. There is a passage where Hitler touches upon the subject of Anglo oppressor brutality with all-out approval. He mocks the 19th century German professoriat and its praise of England as an example of ”peaceful conquest”:
I agree with Hitler. The difference is that I don’t feel any admiration for his English tutors on the subject.
”Hitler lamented the destruction of the intelligentsia by Bolshevism and I have seen zero evidence of enthusiasm for ‘sadist violence’ (he detested hunting animals for sport for example).”
Touching, yes. Convincing, nah. Moreover, the claim that Bolshevism ”destroyed the Russian intelligentsia” is plain irrelevant regardless of whether it is believed or not. If anything, it was Soviet revolutionary education politics which welcomed the entire population to study which laid the basis for the USSR as a scientific and technological superpower.
Hitler would have been quite infuriated by people who thought he was a peaceful man. Some backhanded compliment to his opinion — fake or otherwise — on animal hunting, LOL.
”Stalin on the other hand encouraged the murder of civilians even within his own population under order 0428 – the crimes for which were often attributed to the Wehrmacht or SS in exactly the same manner as the Katyn forest massacre.”
Yes, and he devoured infants en masse for breakfast. For all these shortcomings, Stalin is held in high regard in Russia. Case closed.
>Why the haste to close a case – something to hide? If Stalin is indeed held in high regard in Russia then that perhaps says something about the ideological shortcomings of a population beaten into servitude over the last 100 years, and greatly diminishes the likelihood that Russia can provide any sort of ideological balance or exemplar to the west. You are correct that Hitler was not a peaceful man – he was a keen observer of nature and natural law mandates the survival of the fittest and, by extension, the elimination of the weak. He therefore saw it as his duty to empower his people in order to ensure they did not remain ‘the weak’ that they became in the years following the treaty of Versailles. Thanks for the quote – I was attempting to support the view that he was not the ‘sadist’ (gratification from unnecessary violence) that you purported him to be. This explains his admiration, which you evidenced in your MK quote, for the single-minded way in which the British sought expansion of Empire at the expense of ‘weaker’ nations.
It is perfectly understandable for Russia to say, as Putin has stated: Yeah, we know all about Stalin and we as a country have come to terms with Stalin.
It is like saying, That is our dirty linen and we have washed it.
That is quite different from the USA trying to air Russian dirty linen against Russia. Using Stalin and Stalinism as a bludgeon against Russia today in the USA’s drive to achieve “civilizational and military hegemony over not only Russia but the whole world.
It’s the old pot/kettle situ, with the added malevolence and menace of the hegemonic. militarized, rabid-dog USA.
The USA should look to dealing with its own dirty linen of national crimes and come to terms with them, such as the Native American genocide, slavery, lynchings, and Jim Crow, dropping the bombs on Hiroshima/Nagasaki, torturing of Filipino leftists, ongoing endless coups and regime changes, etc.
Instead the USA presents itself as a virgin and Russia as a whore of Babylon.
Please . . .
”If Stalin is indeed held in high regard in Russia then that perhaps says something about the ideological shortcomings of a population beaten into servitude over the last 100 years”
Correct — except that the population beaten into servitude is the Euro-trash and its Pindo kith and kin. To them, Stalin’s stature in contemporary Russia signifies — very literally — an intolerable shortcoming of Western propaganda. Each and every year, some new ”horrible truths about the monster from hell Stalin” are dissemimated and each time the result on Stalin’s popularity in Russia is nil (or slightly positive). People brought up with Robert Conquest and other luminaries will never understand why that coprophagia doesn’t attract everybody else.
Today, the same slander tactics are failing as miserably against Putin. When Russia has strong, perspicacious leaders such as Stalin and Putin, the West’s mental and moral midgets are seen for what they are.
Glad you were enlightened by my quotation. There are quite a few other ”gems” available in Mein Kampf for the curious reader.
I would agree with you that Putin appears, perhaps uniquely, to have the interests of his people at heart – certainly he is the only international leader of any major country for whom I have any respect – but I find little in the historical record that suggests that Stalin was anything like his equal as a leader or as a man. What worries me is that you suggest that Russian people today are unable to tell the difference between a leader and a tyrant but then I suppose the same accusation could be levelled at any Western country – the high regard in which FDR and Churchill are still held in the West being a case in point.
”What worries me is that you suggest that Russian people today are unable to tell the difference between a leader and a tyrant”
Well, if so, then count me in. As a man, Stalin wasn’t precisely what one would call a coward. He put his life at risk as an underground revolutionary in Czarist Russia, and as a leader he stayed in Moscow with the Nazis approaching the city. The poor Aryan slobs were not being treated kindly by him and his Red Army, however. Another act of in-your-face tyranny took place in 1949 as the USSR went nuclear, hence delivering a most appropriate response to Western nuclear blackmail. Not bad for an uncaring tyrant, if you ask me.
There are a number of Russians, including those who fled ethnic cleansings of Perestroika and Democratia into West, who think Stalin was a real statesman while Putin is only a clown trying to pretend Stalin-like.
Also, in the infamous 1938, which is often considered the peak of the purges, the share of USSR population incarcerated was about the same (slightly less or more – opinions vary) as in USA today.
Talk about tyrants….
These Russians are absolutely right about Stalin, yet absolutely wrong about Putin. The latter’s intellect, working capacity, and stunning achievements at home and abroad speak for themselves. As an aside, I have never understood the stupid habit or frill of Western ”revolutionaries” — who never contributed anything — to slander Nikita Khrushchov. He quelled the clerico-fascist putsch in Hungary, helped the GDR secure its borders where they were most vulnerable (Berlin), and came to the rescue of Cuba. Not bad for a ”revisionist traitor”, if you ask me.
Finally, when comparing the USSR in 1938 to presentday US, one should also point out that the latter is a peril to the entire species. The ”elites” of the dying, decomposing West are the purveyors of total lawlessness globally (they always were, by the way).
By the way, I’m sure that most of you know about all of the recent WWII history articles that the most distinguished and honorable Dr. Paul Craig Roberts has been posting at his site.
Stalin was planning to invade Europe.
Hitler beat him to the punch, because Hitler realized that he needed to strike first!
In my humble opinion, ultimately it was the mercy of God to all of the world that kept both Stalin and Hitler from achieving their goals.
The good work of God is strange, mysterious, and awesome to behold as it powerfully unfolds…
Just a word of caution here, Humble Student :|
If and when you do settle in Russia, don’t get shocked when discovering Stalin’s appreciable popularity there.
And the USSR did invade the Euro-trash. It brought peace, prosperity, and development to Eastern Europe which the AngloZioNazis have subsequently destroyed utterly.
And one result of the Soviet “Occupation” of East Germany we noticed early on:
The Wurst (sausages) you got served in small Kneippen (Bierstuben) in East Berlin was far superior in taste and constitution to what you got travelling through West Germany (had to go to Elsass/Alsace to get good sausage and Sauerkraut — or to hangouts serving “Manchurian Cuisine” in Bêijing.
I sat at some such place for hours once because the train to Moscow was six hours late, and heard some 30-year-olders.than-me-“alte-Kameraden” chant this charming ditty:
Hoch Genosse Stalin
Hoch Genosse Stalin
Hoch Genosse Stalin und die Kommunistpartai!
Es is das volle volle volle
Diktatur des Prolle Prolle
Volle Diktatur des Proletariats!
Schleift di langen Messer
Schleift di langen Messer
Schleift di langen Messer auf Walpurgnisnacht!
Hoch Genosse Stalin
Hoch Genosse Stalin
Hoch Genosse Stalin und die Kommunistpartai! — SIEG HEIL!!
Charming, eh?
yandex translate … mod
High-Comrade Stalin
High-Comrade Stalin
High Comrade Stalin and the Communist Party!
It is the full full full
Dictatorship of the proletariat proletariat
Full dictatorship of the proletariat!
Grinds di long knife
Grinds di long knife
Di grinds of the long knives on Walpurgnisnacht!
High-Comrade Stalin
High-Comrade Stalin
High Comrade Stalin and the Communist Party! – SIEG HEIL!!
Poor delusional PCR, his “recent articles” are 30 or maybe 40 years old.
The ideas he “recently” digested were already digested before him, and not once.
I can’t judge if what PCR writes of USA is coherent, but when he writes about USSR or Russia it is usually on the gauge from stupid to funny.
Most interesting essay covering a wide variety of historical topics relating to Russia. On the subject of WW2, I suggest, especially to Americans and Europeans, the book:
Russia at War, 1941–1945 by British journalist Alexander Werth
This book is well written and contains information on Russian military operations and the war economy of Russia, which destroys many of the western myths.
… “the Ukrainian nationalist propaganda does, in fact, have *some* truth to it. Yes, it is a grossly distorted truth”…
We might want to agree on one universal fact as a starting point to discuss any of our so-called history no one knows, as humans, as peoples, as societies and as events leading to today’s insanity: there is always some ” grossly distorted truth” to what we were taught and we were all instructed -and forced- to absorb, digest and regurgitate lies. So much so that our entire future would depend on how well we did it and absorb and regurgitate, we did! It’s called getting a diploma, a job, an office, a position, a name, all that crap. Doesn’t matter what country, what peoples, what race, what religion.
We were all given enough truth to make it “palatable” and be able to rationalize and justify subsequent events, such as endless wars, and people going… “Okay, under that light, that series of subsequent events makes sense.” (nobody ever asks: “Who the hell shines that light, what hand holds it and why is it always gloomy?”)
And yet… never enough truth to openly question: “Hmmm… what is it about us, the hairless chimpanzees worldwide, that we would need to rely on a gloomy light to decide our future when all we have to do is lift up our head and look at real light called Sun?”
(Oops! Last time I saw sunlight was around 1988, right before California, Arizona and Nevada skies started being sprayed. Not kidding: watch the movie Rain Man).
Our main problem is not about who did what to whom then but why we keep it up, knowing that it never leads to anything other than more of the same: war, war, war. So… who the hell holds that gloomy light and why do the hairless chimpanzees keep using it when they have a better one up-there? Honestly, it is not about who did what to whom but how do we get out of that insane kill-or-be-killed paradigm.
“There has been no friendship between the Court of Saint Petersburg and my family” noted Sidonia (supposedly a Rothschild) in Disraeli’s 1844 novel”Coningsby’. There seems little change in the intervening 170- odd years ,although the reason cited the family’s protests on behalf the Polish Hebrews(the most numerous ,suffering and degradedof our tribes).
BTW , I believe Solzhenitsyn drew heavily on the excellent 1906 Jewish Enyclopaedia(available on-line) for much of his assessment of the ‘pogroms’ of the late 19th/early20th centuries in the earlier volume of”200 Years Together” , which stance I think was also felt to be ‘revisionist’.
No guilt over WWII for the Soviets?
Lest we forget the Soviets invaded Poland, Finland and annexed many other territories before Hitler attacked him, primarily due to the Soviets military menacing Romanian oil fields and general offensive military mobilization in the west.
When Stalin invaded Poland many fled to the Nazi occupied areas or Germany itself. When Hitler moved into Soviet occupied territories of Poland and Ukraine he picked up recruits.. American military authorities estimated that one out of every ten German soldiers captured was a Soviet citizen. Of all the nations in Europe, the USSR was the only one to witness nearly a million of its subjects enlisting in the enemy army. Soviet citizens (former or otherwise) in allied Camps in Germany were forcibly repatriated. Many committed suicide rather than return knowing their fate would be cruel.
Soviets exaggeration of Nazi atrocities was rather self serving, deflecting attention from their own atrocities. All of the concentration camps were under Soviet control so they were the sole source of evidence for these atrocities.
It was also Soviets that allowed for Israel to remove Palestinians by force.
While sending no equipment on its own, Stalin approved the crucial arms deal between Czechoslovakia and Israel, assuring the latter an advantage in the battle with the Palestinian Arabs that was already under way. The arms deliveries made it possible to provide every Israeli recruit with his or her own weapon and ample ammunition, allowing the Haganah to go on the offensive in the lead-up to independence (“Plan Dalet”). Stalin was one of Israels founding fathers, a modern day Cyrus along with Truman and Trump.
As for Hitler, definitely not a nice guy, and given most of the leading Nazis and their backers went on to assimilate in government, intelligence, science and industry its not surprising that many elements of Nazism survive today. Eugenics programs renamed as genetics, economic fascism renamed as neoliberalism, propaganda posing as news, informed consent for medical interventions out the window, glorification of militarism, etc
One of the great myths of WWII and its aftermath was that there were any Good Guys. It was a war fought by and on behalf of various factions of Evil. The winners get to write the popular history. We will never know the truth of it all.
Interesting.
“While sending no equipment on its own, Stalin approved the crucial arms deal between Czechoslovakia and Israel, assuring the latter an advantage in the battle with the Palestinian Arabs that was already under way. The arms deliveries made it possible to provide every Israeli recruit with his or her own weapon and ample ammunition, allowing the Haganah to go on the offensive in the lead-up to independence (“Plan Dalet”). Stalin was one of Israels founding fathers, a modern day Cyrus along with Truman and Trump.”
This is the deal that Robert Maxwell is thought to have facilitated (cf. Jeffery Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Robert Maxwell qua Mossad operator; Maxwell was Czech by birth).
Katherine
Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch, better known as Robert Maxwell was Jew by birth. Born “into a poor Yiddish-speaking Orthodox Jewish family” in Slatinské Doly (now Solotvyno, Ukraine) which was for a short period of time incorporated in Czechoslovakia, why he had Czech citizenship.
Brilliant exposition Saker. clarifying, expansionary for me..a learning experience.
Thank you
Russians do not see Jews or Muslims as ‘national enemies’ if they don’t manifest themselves as ‘national enemies’ (which they did repeatedly in the past and not infrequently today).
“Jews were found pretty much everywhere, including amongst Menshevik’s, anarchists, Bundists, etc..”. Well, were not all these Mensheviks, anarchists, Bundists, narodniks, SRs, Kadets, (to say nothing about Zionists) theoretically and practically anti -“Orthodox Monarchist” Russia, revolutionaries preaching the overturn of the ‘Orthodox Monarchy’ and fighting with bombs and pistols in hand against it? They did respond in 1914 to the appeals of the “German Committee for the Freeing of Russian Jews (‘Deutsches Komitee zur Befreiung der russischen Juden’) approved by the Central Committee of the International Zionist League in Berlin, under Professor Otto Warburg [Warburg again!], and soon came to enjoy the support of Germany’s non- Zionist Jews as well, to “rise in arms, for ‘equal civic rights for all, free exercise of their religion and their civil callings and free choice of residence within any territory occupied in future by the Central Powers’. The Jewish Committees in Galicia, were calling the Jews to avenge themselves for the pogroms: ‘Jews of Russia! Rise! Spring to arms! Help hunt the Moskal out of the West, out of Poland, Lithuania, White Russia, Volhynia and Podolia! Freedom is coming from Europe” (@ Fritz Fischer’ “Germany’s aims in the First World War”). All these lavishly financed by the German-American-Jewish bankers (Warburg, Schiff).
“.. the fact is that history has forever created a bond between Jews and Russians: their common memory of the mass atrocities perpetuated against them by the Nazis. No amount of political gesticulations will change that.”
This reminds me of how I was brought up to think (as well as most other Serbs growing up in 70s).
Unfortunately I don’t at all think (any more) it’s mutual.
The cultures are so fundamentally different – their idea of loyalty and fairness is very different from how we in Serbia and probably Russia perceive it.
I have met hundreds of jews in the US – and they all think that it was us Serbs who used to kill them in WW2 (and I think we used to actually protect them not kill them – according to an interview I read in the guardian with the rabbi of Jerusalem who used to be a rabi of Belgrade – he said all the best things about Serbs in that interview.
So this is how the jews thank you for saving them – not just that they don’t know or care that your ancestors risked their lives to save them – they actually are convinced the opposite is the case – they think your ancestors murdered them.
So don’t expect much from them and I have learned to actually never trust them at all – anything – there always seem to be a hidden, manipulative, exploitative agenda.
And if they ever hear you complaining about apartheid israel – they will never call you again and will probably hate you – that has been my experience with a hundred or so jews I know.
Even if you still like them – they will hate and ignore you forever.
Good riddance I say. Nobody needs manipulative psychopaths like that and their psychopathic ‘culture’ …
I am just sharing my extensive experience because I like Russians and I don’t want anyone to use and abuse and back-stab them.
@ tomo
It is 100% true all what you say, unfortunately. I too have been observing it all first hand. Just recall all the incredible poison that American Jews were spewing in unison against Serbs and the entire Serbian nation in the 1990-s, during the tragic wars in Krajina and Bosnia. That was a big “thank-you” to Serbs – for being the only Slavic nation traditionally with no traces antisemitism – and for saving the masses of indigenous Jewry from Germans during WWII, risking own lives by hiding them in their apartments, in the surrounding villages… To say that, after what happened in the 1990s, it is doubtful that any of this hospitality and generosity will ever be repeated, would be a gross understatement.
My paternal grandfather in Norway had one brother in the Communist resistance at the factory and in the woods of the peninsula where theay lived. And one other across the fjord at another factory which was important to the Nazi occupiers. So he joined th Quisling party whilst also hiding Oslo Jews in the basement of the country elementary school where he was the principal. None came to witness in his favor at the post-war trials. He did not wish them to. Before the war he was a left-wing Labour party member who adored Stalin. He had the writings of both Stalin and Hitler in his book shelves until his dying day.
this is exactly the kind of behavior I have learned to expect from most of them
It’s like feeding scorpions and snakes who then turn against you and kill you
It’s not in their nature to acknowledge any help or good faith – being a psychopathic ‘culture’ they are masters at turning goodness of their victims against the very victims so to exploit them. Or diminish them somehow
You would not believe how many hours (days!) I have spent trying to explain to maybe a hundred of jews I met in the US that it was not Serbs who were killing them.
They usually would reply that they saw a program on TV where it stated that yes it was Serbs – and that was it – you could talk to them for years nothing would change.
I have never heard any of them complain about Israel’s savagery (although many are wondering why we don’t NUKE Iran already – to which I usually reply – what have Iranians done to you to deserve it? Why not nuke Israel? – that usually shuts them up).
Very strange ‘culture’ I have to say and it took me a long time to change my Serbian friendly outlook towards them. Nothing is done in good faith – it’s 1000% predatory, deceiving and rotten.
They don’t help anyone (unless there is something in there for them), always a hidden agenda, and they back-stab you when you least expect it and for no apparent reason)
Theirs is really a PSYCHOPATH as a ‘culture’ – not really a religion but a well-oiled Psychopath support Group.
No mercy for anyone (even their kids who normally hate and fear their manipulative, controlling mothers more than anything – that’s why most of my jewish American friends are ‘gay’ – or they don’t want anything to do with women).
Hollywood is a perfect metaphor for them – Weinsten especially. Fake, evil industry with the loudest megaphone – not talent , just greed and extreme cultural nepotism
Ruthless, manipulative, unhappy materialistic people (although the ones I have met in Argentina were much nicer – it depends also on a host culture. USA and UK make a perfect marriage from hell with jews – the masters of bribing, fraud and lies – meet easiest sheeple on the plant to bribe (Anglosheeple) .
The result is modern day MORDOR
Nothing evil about Weinstein, only evil about him he is ugly and fat according to the western #metoo movement; models, actrices, singers and movie stars have been prostituting themselves since ancient times including in Serbia where you can have sex with a famous person for money.
I am in complete agreement with you.
And, for those of you out there whom are unaware (the majority, no doubt) of what the jews’ so-called “Kol Nidre” incantation represents, I would urge you to IMMEDIATELY find out. This is imperative. For it literally defines what and whom they are, and illustrates exactly why it is beyond foolish to EVER enter into any agreement, promise, or contract with a jew… As he will merely invoke that Kol Nidre when you walk away, which he believes allows him to immediately render any such agreements NULL AND VOID, such that he has absolutely no duty or obligation to honor them.
Benjamin Freedman addressed this issue in his 1961 address at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., and certainly did not mince words in doing so. Freedman was a Catholic convert from “judaism” who was actually present at the signing of the Treaty Of Versailles after WWI, and did not like at all what he saw happening to the Germans there. His conscience motivated him to walk away from his former tribe, and he became one of its most outspoken, vociferous opponents. I recommend anyone interested in this amazing speech find the longest version they can, as there are many abbreviated versions, but every last word he said was of great importance.
I also find it very odd that this clear and simple topic is almost NEVER discussed when the topic of “jews” is at hand, for, as I previously stated, it essentially DEFINES them, and it is very, very simple to understand. It seems to me that most of what is made available for public discourse is merely produced for no other reason than to create yet more confusion and fog. Meanwhile the clock moves forward… But the time is very short.
Zionist bankers put Hitler in power.
They won. We died.
One may wonder why the “Heresy of the Judaizers” is treated like a minor and quasi insignificant episode in the history of Russia. What were those ‘Kabbalists’ who tried to ‘infiltrate’ the Church (Lithuanian Jews)? But the court also through the wife of the heir of the throne Ivan the Younger, Elena of Moldavia (Volosanka) and the high official and diplomat Fedor Kuritsyn (who later on absconded under the identity of the monk Filofey, the author of the apocalyptic-judaizing myth of the ‘Third Rome’).
The Saker is one of the most brilliant analysts on the most important issues of today that I have ever read.
His previous column “U.S. posture in the Middle-East preparing for disaster”
was superb and MUCH, MUCH better than a highly regarded journalists column on the same topic but written two weeks later!!!
The fact that GOOGLE HID the English translation that fellows who read and spoke Russian, and who had the chapters posted on Kevin MacDonald’s website, showed how absolutely true Solzhenitsyn’s book ‘Two Hundred Years Together’ is.
THE SEARCH RESULTS were HIDDEN by Google. Dr MacDonald’s website with the pages for the translations were NOT able to be seen.
Of course Google is Jewish owned and managed.
I found the following Solzhenitsyn quotes from on the website also:
“You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the ‘Russian Revolution.’ It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
“We cannot state that all Jews were Bolsheviks. But: Without Jews there would never have been Bolshevism. For a Jew nothing is more insulting than the truth. The blood maddened Jewish terrorists had murdered sixty-six million in Russia.”
This website belongs to a college professor and has available at no charge books on the Holocaust. Germar Rudolf had his EARNED Phd from the Max Planck Institute for his use of his knowledge in examining Auschwitz’s gas chambers. http://vho.org/ As Solzhenitsyn wrote:
“The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
That applies to all information that the goyim cannot access freely.
“Of course Google is Jewish owned and managed.”
Goggle = CIA / deep state
Google is more related to China than Israel. To think Google is run from a backstreet in Jerusalem, with “greater Israel” as goal – is wrong
Google is worth 1/2 of Israeli GDP. If Google was Israeli – Israel would not be on level of Greece.
I believe that both founders of Google are Russian Jews.
That is, American citizens with Russian Jewish background.
Sergei Brin’s ex-wife (now I think CEO or something of Youtube) is also from an eastern European (Polish and Russian) Jewish background.
After reading Solzhenicin’s book – particularly 2nd part – I don’t buy any glossy picture of Ruskies and Jews been great buddies. The book is actually shocking and puts everything in a completely different perspective. Also, the timing of the book release coincide with the birth of Putin’s Russia, and that’s not accidental.
In Russian they say – “East – it’s a delicate business” – meaning that not everything is obvious, and nothing may be what it seems.
Although the saying goes for the Middle East, it equally applies here. With Russians been notoriously mysterious (as saying goes) and Jews been mysteriously entwined with the modern history – it may not be true at all that their life together is full of tolerance and mutual understanding. Quite the contrary. I think they hate each other guts. Literally.
There are many indications everywhere for such claim to be actually more realistic than what Saker tries to convey, in his, otherwise excellent analysis.
The problem for Russians is how to not mismanage such hatred and (eventually) retaliate in a civilized manner.
@ Miha
“… I think they hate each other guts. Literally. …”
I believe so too.
Now, concerning Putin and the Jews. My own thinking would be, that his displays of “chummy” relations with Jews, foreign and domestic, stem from his acute awareness of their excessive world-wide power.
In that context, I recall his giving an extensive interview, very early in his first presidency, to an American news network (it was somewhere in the 2000-1 frame, I believe it was with Larry King). Where he stated, without asked about it, how he “very much liked Israel”, and how he and his wife were “fond of visiting Israel as tourists” (!…). (You can probably find this performance on YouTube).
And I was thinking then to myself: look, here is the President himself of big mighty Russia – and he too must humble himself & flatter to the Tribe of Ill Repute…
His recent Hollow-cast Memorial visit etc., of course, would be in the same spirit. Looking at things that way, Putin flaunting his good relations with the domestic religious Jew leaders is then a “smart” strategy, a very easy way to endear oneself to all Jews by petting the few domestic ones (that tribe is worldwide one).
“.. his displays of “chummy” relations with Jews, foreign and domestic, stem from his acute awareness of their excessive world-wide power.”
I think it stems from him been a statesman (of a very big and dangerous country) – he must protect all multi ethnic citizens of his country and must conduct his foreign policy with restraint – otherwise what? Otherwise Russia would be another rouge, drunken superpower rummaging around like an elephant in a glass shop.
Besides, those actively working against Russia are relatively small group of people spread across many countries. It would be terribly unreasonable to take entire nation accountable for the doings of the few. Israel is immeasurably smaller than Russia thus – it can get obliterated in minutes. But then what? Is that the way to curb international thugs?
@ Miha
“… it stems from him been a statesman (of a very big and dangerous country) …”
Of course. Exactly. Which is another side of the same coin, that his displays of “chummy” relations with Jews, foreign and domestic, stem from his acute awareness of their excessive world-wide power, and that he too must humble himself & flatter to the Tribe of Ill Repute. As President of Russia.
Apropos of your quandary as of a way to curb these international thugs, I am again fully on the same page with you. Medically speaking, when a cancer reaches metastasis, we got a problem. Are we already there?
“Medically speaking, when a cancer reaches metastasis, we got a problem. Are we already there?”
Oh, I think we are well beyond that, the patient is dead already. But the funeral wasn’t public. The entire scheme collapsed in Syria, only the media frantic efforts to cover it up, keep the illusion going. Look at the politicians. Aren’t they not like headless flies lately?
“If you want to know who rules over you, just find out whom you are not allowed to critizise.”
How true!
Till today, no slander can be more damaging in Germany than being called an anti-semite.
The grounds of such slander are secondary.
Case in point, curiously, now the AfD is called antisemitic.
They certainly are against unregulated mass immigration; were founded on a platform to preserve the soundness of our money; view the rabbid public pro-LGBT propaganda (now with men shown kissing in prime time on TV, for all the kids to see) with great skepticism; are reluctant to accept the ever growing islamisation à la France; and all that may greatly disconcert a good many people.
I winder what that has to do with Jews? They are mostly revered for their often enough great economic success and their important contributions to German culture in all forms (be it music, art, literature, or philosophy).
Just wondering – will my people ever be rehabilitated?
Will I ever be able to travel the earth without some half-wit poking fun at me (“Auschwits, haha..”)?
Why is it OK for a colleague of mine in another country to present me to a client, however jokingly, with the words: his only defect is that he is German?
And, not the least: will nobody ever be allowed to call the Zion%$§st criminal apartheid state what it is?
Yes, their propaganda has worked wonders over the years.
Russians, and all other peoples who are on their black list: be very afraid!
don’t be afraid – but expose their lies and don’t worry about what they say
they are usually (actually always) cowards
they are masters at teaming up against their victims
if you show that you don’t care – they will respect you more than their other obedient victims (not that you should care – expecting psychopaths to love is like expecting blind people to see)
So these insults will stop as soon as you stop tolerating it (ask them to explain why they say what they say).
As a Serb, I often feel sorry for you Germans when i see abroad how brainwashed most Germans are to accept obediently all the fake propaganda and submission as normal.
Be more like that ugly monument to jews next to Brandenburg Gate – the giant cubes of concrete taking huge area next to the US embassy I Think.
Have you see the size of the cracks which have recently appeared on those ugly cubes?
They are growing and growing – it could be a good metaphor for you and your country – these cracks that are appearing in what looked very solid and strong?
Yeah, that was some monument they foisted upon us!!
Only good it is so close to the Muricans. They can marvel at it to their hearts’ desire.
As to the brainwashing, you are right – it is absolutely astounding to what degree “ze germens” swallow every and any lie and propaganda.
No doubt that is Prussian heritage.
And believe me, the stench of the lies has become unbearable.
“Yeah, that was some monument they foisted upon us!!”
Hate, hate, hate it!!
IT is truly an abomination.
I am half German (mother born in Germany), which I mentioned to a professional colleague in an email, an American Jewish woman, and she had the affrontery to baldly state that she didn’t like Germans.
I knew where she was coming from with her rude assumption that it is always open season on insulting Germans.
I informed her that I did not take kindly to her rude comment, and BTW, my German grandfather was Jewish, so bite it. I was tempted to say “and BTW, I don’t like Jews.” If that exchange occurred today, I think I would go that far. Just to teach people like her a lesson. And push back against the open, and tolerated, racism directed against Germans (and, more recently, against Russians).
Katherine
I am happy to say I have never heard any such open hate for Germans in Serbia while I lived there and even when I go back now (even though they used to kill us – i.e. my great grand father and a few other members of my family).
Nobody talks badly about them – Serbs understand what happened happened many years ago and it’s unreasonable to punish grandchildren of nazis for what their grand patents did.
Only psychopaths like to pretend they are forever victims (especially as they do the same thing they are complaining they are victims of – i.e. genocide)
> I was tempted to say “and BTW, I don’t like Jews.”
…and would take her bait doing so.
Next thing, she would tell all your peers how you are love to declare your hatred to Jews.
And you would be the aggressor.
Personally i would better tell her like
– Ah, so you’re nazi, i see.
And when she would yell, i would add like
– Sure, sure. There were anti-Jewish nazi and there are anti-German nazi like you, there is no difference.
Learn from Jews how they position themselves as friends of yours and only foes of your sins.
It might have escaped the authors attention – unfortunately – The Russians and Israel have just formed an alliance against Iran.
Syria: With an Eye on Energy Dominance, Russia is Aligning with Israel Against Iran [Mintpress]
Is Iran a reliable ‘ally’ of Russia?
Supposedly – the author on Mintpress suggested that Russia views Iran as competition to its export earnings.
I don’t much care for the idea of Russians forming an alliance with the Israeli apartheid state as it would play straight into the Zionist game plan to try establish a greater Israel where they will carve up the Arab states and gain control over the most valuable oilfields.
Wait and see till the third and last article and see where that leads.
Russia and Israel have not just formed an alliance against Iran. As this very first premise is just wrong, it is not worth the time to debunk the complete article that rests on ‘sources’ and quotes from Reuters and “Kremlin-funded think tanks” and so on. And in the foreseeable future, Russia will not make alliance with Israel against Iran, so, it is better to let go of that premise.
Russia is still working hard to get Iran to move from Observer status in SCO to full member and seeing that Russia carries the rotating Presidency of SCO in this year, it may happen. There are some legal obstacles around sanctions. In addition, just a month or two ago, Russia, China and Iran held their first-ever joint military exercises in the Persian Gulf just before General Suleimani was killed.
The type of article in the link that you posted is a poster child example of exactly the type of work that The Saker explains patiently in his work here as follows:
“Simply put, Russians live in a much more open and diverse intellectual landscape than their western neighbors.”
Don’t shoot… I’m only the messenger I relay and share the information that has come my way.
I regularly read on this site – I don’t often comment on the articles although I have reposted quite a few of them.
Contrary to you i’m not about to disregard the information provided by Agha Hussain – instead I’ll pay close attention since its happened far too often that the Russians have left wanting in regards to the IDF & US trespassing into what is by rights Syrian sovereignty.
Indeed they recently held joint exercises – However they can still hedge their bets.
Then there’s the so called intelligence sharing of advance bombing raids in order to avoid encountering each other on or above the battlefield – Only very recently RF and US forces came eye to eye in Syria – and while the Russians have a mandate from the Syrian government that permits them to legally be in Syria the US does not – it’s presence is illegal under international law yet no one does or says anything while the US openly steals Syrian oil – [US exceptionalism cannot be tolerated any longer]
Then why let them or what is the cui bono?
There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about yet – perhaps we never will.
One thing I do know – Never forget how Russian oil companies [And many more] had signed onto Cheney’s oil maps/see foreign suitors way back in 97 which was well before the lie based response to 9-11 Maps and Charts of Iraqi Oil Fields [Judicialwatch] look for the list of foreign suitors part 1&2.
The other thing ofcourse is that the lie based response to that sad day appears to have served as an attempt to create greater Israel.
Remember 9-11 is very good for Israel – Nathanyahu
The US and her proxies have been attacking all of the Israeli’s traditional enemies while the Russians have had ample chance to put a stop to that only to retreat for so called strategic reasons.
And then they form an alliance with Israel against Iran?
That makes no sense since whomever controls Iran’s oil fields will always be able to offer competition to the export value of Russian hydrocarbons.
Consider the possibility that Iran’s oil fields might have already been carved up just like Iraq were way before the Neoliberal led lie based invasion.
Far as I’m concerned each country should be free to sell their resources on the market without being hindered by lie based unjustified economic sanctions or corporately designed trade agreements which specify which currencies may or may not be used – [That implies that there is no free and open market – only if one joins the ”club” then it’s roll over and play nice or expect to be bombed back to the stoneage and they’ll still try get those resources]
In the end that’s why we the consumer pays more and pays far too much at a time when there isn’t a shortage as much as that the market is being manipulated for the benefit of a few big players.
That’s my opinion you don’t have to agree with it but for what it’s worth I find mr Putin is being far too chummy with the nefarious and criminally minded Bibi.
I’d like him better if he showed a lil more bite and Judo’d his opponents to the ground instead of cozying up to a warcriminal such as Nathanyahu.
Only time will tell if we’re all being played.
amarynth is correct.
I like Mintpress but I think the author, Agha Husain, has got it wrong. He seems to think that Iran should always get its way in Syria and if Russia or Syria demur, then they must be plotting against it; Russia to the extent of forming an alliance with Israel.
Why do some people see the relationships in Syria in a vein similar to the Warsaw Pact vs Nato or Allies vs Axis? Fixed and inflexible. Black and white with no greys. No place for nuance.
Russia isn’t allying with Israel against Iran. And it isn’t allying with Iran against Israel either.
RF and Iran are acting in concert in Syria to fight the Empire’s proxies, true, but they are there basically to serve their own interests, first and foremost. Russia wants a stable, Salafi/Wahhabi terrorist-free Syria; Iran wants a foothold in the Levant; Assad wants his country back. But they all need to annihilate the terrorist scum fighting a bogus jihad before they can achieve their individual aims. VVP knows this, Khamenei knows this and so does Assad. And as long as their interests converge whether in Syria or the wider nascent multi-polar world — and there’s no reason to believe it will change any time soon — things will remain the same.
Putin speech is suggesting something slightly different.
Source Kremlin
Keren Hayesod Foundation conference [Kremlin]
We can all cry Putin is too chummy with Netanyahu. But as The Saker tried to patiently explain, the Russian view of Israel is not the same as someone that understands and detests zionism from a more western pov. It is just different – the views are different. Russia also has a diplomatic policy of talking to everyone.
The Saker says: “… history has forever created a bond between Jews and Russians: their common memory of the mass atrocities perpetuated against them by the Nazis. No amount of political gesticulations will change that.
That does not, of course, mean that Putin, the Kremlin or anybody else is an “ally” of Israel or that Putin and Bibi Netanyahu are working together (or for each other). This utter nonsense is a completely false conclusion resulting from a fundamental and profound misreading of Russian history and Russian culture. But it goes even further than that. I would argue that the history of the Russian culture is also fundamentally incompatible with any racist/racialist ideas. ”
Let’s turn everything around and see how Russians are actually treated in Israel.
“Israel did its best to absorb millions of immigrants from the former Soviet Union, says Israeli MP Boris Schindler. But society doesn’t do enough to integrate and accept the Russian speaking community. As a result, discrimination against Russians is everywhere: from schools to top governmental offices. ”
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202002091078265054-all-stigmas-emerge-israels-russians-still-unfairly-treated-despite-govt-integration-efforts/
Mr Putin clearly believes one catches more flies with honey, and clearly he is very aware of the Russian population in Israel. Should he pay attention? Absolutely yes. Regarding Syria, Russia will always take the choice of less war, rather than more war. It is not Russia’s job to remove the US from Syria. Russia undertook the job to help Syria rebuild and set up reasonable structures and rules and law. But, Syria itself is going to have to remove the US. Russia is not interested in a Russian/US altercation in Syria. What Russia will do is on the theme of resistance to imperialism.
I guess this analysis of The Saker is correctly titled: “Our fundamental disagreement”
Re ““Israel did its best to absorb millions of immigrants from the former Soviet Union, says Israeli MP Boris Schindler.”
Moshe Ahrens in his memoir, “In Defense of Israel,” states that the USA paid the resettlement costs of Soviet Jews in Israel.
Anyone interested in a behind-the-scenes view of the genesis and execution of the Zionist state should read t his memoir. Very revealing.
I get all the Realpolitik.
And give Putin credit for at least meeting with a Palestinian when he was in Palestine.
But but but . . . I would feel a lot better about the whole thing if Putin were to take a principled and public stand against Israel’s apartheid regime and actions, and for fundamental human rights for Palestinians, including no theft of their resources (water, offshore gas etc.). Even Bernie Sanders has done that!!
I guess what’s sauce for the Russians is not sauce for Palestinians, and per Putin the Zionist state is free to do to Palestine sort of what was done to Russia in the nineties.
Katherine
Katherine, yes of course. We would all like that because it would feel good no?. But, I would argue that Russia has made its view very clear, and has already set out their principle approach, and they confirm it regularly – in the UN and UNSC resolutions. They stand firmly by a 2-state solution and also by a retreat to the pre-1967 borders. They also condemned in no soft words, Trumps Deal of the Century. The way I see it, is that it is absolute pragmatism – Russia can only work through the UN and UNSC on political solutions for other countries. Otherwise they would be meddling and interfering. I know it is not a comfortable answer, and it is not what we really want, but this is how I reason it for myself.
(In reality, if you ask my opinion, I think that there should now be a 1 state solution with one person one vote, and the Palestinians must start governing the jews. I would love that!)
Just look at this list of UN and UNSC resolutions for Israel, and Israel ignores every one of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
But Russia is now working on another track here. Lavrov’s visit to 3 LatAm countries was actually quite a thing, and I hope one of our writers come up with a sitrep for this visit. Lavrov called the Monroe doctrine offensive
So, Russia cannot be our savior on all fronts. So, Lavrov again talked about defending the United Nations Charter and called it a ‘very pressing task’. So, it seems as if they are working on a higher level, because they cannot really do anything about Israel or shore up the resistance on all fronts. So, defending the UN Charter will hit many birds with one stone, I think. This is just my reasoning.
Thanks Saker, as always. I think the Jews number in the first Bolshevik regime are so high cause the lower class widespread illiteracy in Imperial Russia. The Jews on the other hand where mostly merchants, bourgeois, and literate.
My granddad fought in WW1 on the Austro-Italian front and became a communist. Later fisher and smuggler living in Campione d’Italia, during ww2 he brought in Switzerland a lot of Jews for free, unlike other families who became filthy rich. So I can post without any guilt an other Putin’s joke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqevnCY19ik
Excellent,Saker. Another keepsake article.
I come here to be educated,Andrei
Raevsky,and you never disappoint.
Thank you.
Question, re: ” these purges necessarily involved a lot of repressed Jews (whether guilty ones who themselves were covered in innocent blood or innocent ones, who were simply repressed with the rest of them).”
Does “repressed Jews” mean Jews who were pretending not to be Jews?
How does one establish that these people—and how many—were actually Jewish?
Katherine
Very intressting and I am 100% agree about it. Regarding the reality of WW2 and the reason and death of jews, former president of Iran Ahmadinejad was allway telling that we should search for the truth about the WAR. He was than lable for antisemitist and was constantly translate wrongly by Israel and western media. The best example was when he said ” The zoinist REGIME should dissapear from this world”, but translate to that he wants destroy Israel. Here is one of those press conference when he talks about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSfnijTMSqQ
Complicated a subject.
at least for me to understand the facts and connections between them.
will try harder.
Your omission of my comment regarding the complicity between Stalin and Hitler via the Ribbentrop/Molotov Non Aggression Pact back in 1939 was the ” Green Light ” given by the Soviets for Hitler to invade Poland and the Western Countries; while Stalin also took a piece of Poland { two weeks later } and all of Lithuania as well as his attempt to conquer Finland strikes me as an effort on your part to gloss over the Soviets complicity in starting WW2. It is a fact that Germany and the Soviet Union collaborated in the training of German Military Units in the Ukraine from the mid thirties to avoid the prohibitions of the Versailles Treaty.. Trade continued between the two countries until Operation Barbarossa. Stalin even imported copper from Canada and then trans shipped it to Germany during this time. Heinkel Aircraft Company sold their prototype fighter plane { as well as plans parts} to the Soviets at this time. The Heinkel was actually much faster than the ME 109. To gloss over this Non Aggression Pact as simply a way for Stalin to ” Buy Time ” because of Stalin’s fear of Germany’s Military Machine is dishonest analysis. Even Putin { an admirable man } overlooks the complicity of Russia a a partner in starting the so called ” Great Patriotic War”. Only when Hitler thought that the Soviets were going to invade Romania and cut off Germany’s oil supplies ….did Germany invade Russia. As I said before ; Hitler acted in haste in order to stave off the loss of oil needed for his War machine against the /west. The ill equipped { for winter warfare }German Soldiers proves this point. The colossal tragedy for all parties lies in the psychopaths in Power in both countries. The Terror Famine by Stalin in the twenties the Ukraine was actually reason enough for “anyone” to invade Russia at that time. (presumptuous attack removed, Mod) No Ribbentrop/Molotov Pact…….would result in No War….. not at that particular time.
why don’t you mention the pacts that Europe signed with Hitler long before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? And it seems that you did not read the text, because your “brainwashing” simply does not allow you to realize your own sins. And Hitler attacked the Soviet Union not because of Stalin or because he was a psychopath, but because of the OST plan, according to which 75% of Soviet citizens (Slavs and other peoples) had to be “overpowered”, which means to annihilate in order to clear up space for higher races. It was supposed to kill Russian Jews immediately, but by the way they did not make a difference between just Russian \ Ukrainians \ Belarusians \ Jews.
“The fact that this slo-mo rehabilitation is still currently and mostly confined to the margins of the political discourse does not change the Russian awareness that no matter how much Hitler and his minions are disliked or even hated in the West, Russia and Russians will always be hated even much more.”
Braavo Bravissimo!!!
But remember also: that WW2 started in Abyssimia (now Ethiopia) as an anti-semitic war by Italy earlier than the British treatchery in Munich. And at the “Marco Polo Bridge Incident close to Bêijing in ca. 1937 — if not earlier with the Jap. establishment of “Manchûko/Mânzhoūguó/Man3chou1kuo2” earlier in the nineteen-thirties.
Not to mentioned the Soviet tank-army hit-back & the defeat of Japan in 1939 and the successive neutrality of Japan v-à-v the Soviet Union and that the WW2 ended not with onluy the defeat og Jiâng Jièsh´(Chiang6 Kai1-shek4) by the Chinese CCP, but continiud in the Korean war an Indochina.
So there were 3m jews in Poland that became part of the 6m holohoax. But the population of Poland then was 24m only half lived in urban areas, so one in four poles in the cities/towns was a jew??? QED. And we haven’t even added the million(s) who fled to Russia,Israel,USA and England !!
I assume your use of the designaiton ‘Latin’ is intended to refer to Lithuanians?????? I don’t believe it has ever been used this way, being traditionally reserved for the ‘Latin’-Italian world…..
I appreciate you and some other alternate writers, in a quest to understand more about Russian History and the Jewish history . As a westerner , the Russian people I know do not understand where I’m coming from, when I converse about todays problems facing the US and the Zionist invasion. I believe this article just pinpointed why they don’t really understand my severe concerns, that are now confronting the States and the world. They certainly trust President Putin, when it comes to securing Russia’s future. I believe a couple guys I know in the Russian Military, are more aware of the Israel Zionist problem, but usually the conversation doesn’t get beyond my thoughts. It’s complicated because of Syria. Anyways – thanks for the writings and articles.
I was also once uphelt at Finland station due to mu traine for Chna hving already left. Going over to the other station, I sat down at a big table. Thence appeared a group og revaldry se.ebrating one in their mist who turned out to be the keeper at the then favored KGB footbal team. They asked me in bad German: “Wir sind weder Slaven noch Tartaren” (we are neither Slaws nor Tarters) — aber welcher Landsman sei doch Du?” (but what nationality are You). I answered Es tut mich leid, aber ich bin nicht von der folks Einsteins noch Marks noch Freids” (I am not from the people of Einstein or Freud nor that of Marx’s. I got a royall treatment and fine meal for that!
Lituania is another case — but most of all Finland too:
During the finno-russian wars, the lieder of Finland (Suomi) was Mannerheim, who had been a Russian Zarist General oficer.
He saw to it that Leningrad got supplies — gontrary to germen demands — over the Ladoga frozen lake during the tiege of Leniningrad. Thus, finns are reveieed in St. Petersburg nowadays.
When Svinhuvud (Fnnish Labour PM) during peacentalks in 1944 asws Soviet foreign minister whether Finnish president wheter Mannerheim spoke russian agreeably, then Molotov answered thus:
“Mannerheim speKS litterary Russian few of us are thill i conmmand of — it is the russian of the great writers of the last century.
It should be added that when Mannerheim met with the Tzar, they both poke French!
Mannerheim was an aristocrat and spoke Swedish, German, French, English, Russian “and some Finnish”! He attended the Nicholas Cavalry School in St. Petersburg and in January 1891, he joined the Chevalier Guard Regiment in St Petersburg. Subsequently he had a distinguished career in the Imperial Army fighting all the WW1 and raising to the rank of lieutenant general. Besides he was married with a Russian-Serbian noble woman (Anastasia Arapova). For sure he spoke the ‘imperial’ Russian.
The Fuhrer on Culturar Marxismus
The Germans went through all the same things we are going through now, orchestrated and propagated
by the same people as back then. Learn from the past.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/m2Kq60yUW6BT/
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Gerard Menuhin – Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/11/does-holocaust-denier-book.html
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Master Manipulators
https://www.bitchute.com/video/C3xUGzQUG1R6/
“The Fuhrer on Culturar Marxismus”
Not even trying to disguise a white supremacy video on the Vineyard.
Where was the white supremacy in this video Kjell? I heard a man’s rallying cry against the cultural subversion of his people and trying to restore pride in a people subjugated by the Weimar Republic.
It strikes me that a central issue of this very difficult and complicated relationship of Russians, jews, WW2 and the prior historical contexts is the degree that the various nationalities and religiosities (yes, I made that up) have been successfully subjected to a divide and conquer strategy by their respective enemies.
This allows endless disputes about this and that granular issue that militates against the resolution of these divisions from consideration of what the real overarching stakes are for all those concerned. Cultures and civilizations with substantial, deep “spiritual” roots in their understanding that all humans are more than biounits and have a fundamental non-bio essence that allows for the expression of a spectrum of virtues as wide as the spectrum of human biounit behaviors have the potential to overcome the divisions cultivated amongst them.
The multiplicity of divisions makes their very elucidation problematic in itself and can become an engine for further division.
I applaud this effort by The Saker to tackle this subject.
The Saker stated, correctly, IMO:
…”Just look at the political chaos in the USA, the UK, France, Germany and all the rest of the NATO/EU countries. The West is not only losing militarily and economically, it is also agonizing culturally, socially, morally and spiritually. Furthermore, that which we all used to think of as “western values” is now being replaced by some insipid “multiculturalism” which seems to pious euphemism for the obvious plan to erase pretty much all of the western historical and cultural legacy.”
Since culture and morality are the key aspects that determine political stances and military actions…..the main question is what or, possibly, WHO, has the main leverage on western culture and morality?
Catholic Church and Protestant denominations are currently unable to call any shots, they are mostly following the “liberal/globalization” trend like a herd.
(City of) London first and then Hollywood and Wall street (to simplify the concept) have been the trend makers in the last 80 years, the creative (“cultural) and the financial branches of it….from Music, Cinema, Sculpture, Arts, cultural leitmotifs, “emancipated” family roles, economic models, every aspect of traditional society has been “freed” by this AngloAmerican model of “progress”
Is there a cultural/tribal hard core group inside them pushing this agenda? Well for Hollywood it is quite easy to see it…..
Saker, I am a longstanding reader of your work and an admirer of your basic honesty and intellectual competence.
I know how busy you are, so it’s really tough to do the necessary spade work in an area you don’t specialise in. But do share your basic ideas on the Holocaust with the discussion group at codoh.com, some of them historians in the subject.
There are some excellent documentary films there as well.
I think you might do well to look up the work of Germar Rudolf on the opening of the Russian archives pertaining to Holocaust under perestroika, and their subsequent closing under Putin.
Putin was in the top intellectual part of the KGB, and stationed for long in Germany, so he clearly knows the real story. But Russian identity is in a weak state, so Russians need their victory in the war against infinite evil. Putin also needs to court Judaia.
We have not yet plumbed the depths that Putin might embrace. Just imagine, the highest civilian Russian honor to Narendra Modi. I will admit that Modi has not torn and devoured infants in public. But then neither did Hitler. I admit that without Modi’s good wishes, Russia will be substantially more at risk of not making it through to the sovereignist order. There’s much to be said about Hitler’s compulsions as well, and one of them was treating his slave labour moderately well.
Do spend some time at codoh or we will have to factor that into what you write.
Very interesting;My own ethnic background being British(my father’s side being very British) and my mother’s parents coming from Lvov in what is now the Ukraine but identifying as Polish.Now watching Canada and the rest of the Western World in our long slide into cultural incohearance it’s reassureing that Russia,after all it’s been through,will find it’s soul.Maybe it never lost it.
Proof that Russia has not lost ‘her’ soul is the “Immortal Regiment’s March” (the immense ‘Panikhida’ for the dead defending their country) and the project of the ‘Orthodox Cathedral Planned Where Russia’s Last Emperor was Murdered’, which would be the largest Orthodox Cathedral (dedicated, not haphazardly, to St.Sophia) in the world and in which “thousand of baptisms of Chinese are expected to take place on a regular basis.” And that because, make no mistake, Pravoslavia IS the soul of Russia and her mission.
using anything produced by nuremburg trials is bogus–proceedings were almost completely controlled by jewish/zionist lawyers and were preordained
For those who can read Russian i can also suggest a rather thin book (200 years is way to thick for me :-) ), written by a man clearly infatuated by Jews, and because of that very passionately speaking about their both good and bad sides. It is not the kind of love that makes on deny drawbacks and problems, but one that makes one love the object WITH its flaws, acknowledging them and accepting. And it is written rather humorously and bring in a number of historic anecdotes, hopefully true ones.
I do not think it was translated to English but would it be the title would sound like “Jews, are they the advanced ethnicity of Earth?” – and i wonder could a book with such a title be published in any mainstream house of the West :-D
Those who read Russian and feel curious can perhaps find it in shops, or in copyright-ignorant download slums, under the title “Евреи – передовой народ Земли?”
Anastasis/Ressurection,
Greetings Saker,
I found this post very helpful. So much about the subject has been hidden for so long from us in the west, and thus, misinterpreted.
Also I really liked “the Song of the Earth” in your ‘about Saker’ page. For some reason immediately I thought of a more seasonal vision.
Out in the western prairies of Canada, near the Rocky mountains grows a little flower. Before the snow is gone, in the wild and ancient prairie sod,stirs to life a quiet eternal song . When all the grasses are still brown and beaten down from the winter storms, the humble little prairie crocus grows and pushes it’s lavender blossoms through the last thin crusts of snow. It is, in Canada called the Pasque flower . The Anastasia. It is in my heart. ( a little present-search images ‘prairie crocus in snow’)
No, boot heels cannot trample down the soul.
Frederick
(P.S. here in the west, ‘the red tailed hawk’ is the most prolific raptor, though there are a few falcons.)
Interesting, although somewhat naive analysis: it’s fine that Russian rejects nationalism, racism, but jews do DNA test in Israel in order to not marry Russian, so the Russian approach is onesided and naive.
It’s also well known, that according to Judaism jew is someone whose mother is a jew i. e. they are defined based on ethnicity not religion. 200 years was probably not enough to understand these basics.
“True, when patriotism (love for one’s country) turns into nationalism (love of one’s ethnicity)”
Yeah, Russia can’t have nationalism, because it consists many different ethnicities and religions, she can only go as far as patriotism. On the other hand look at Israel