By Ramin Mazaheri and cross-posted with Press TV
In the 21st century a disputed vote in the US presidential election is almost a 50-50 proposition: if November’s popular and electoral college votes do not correspond yet again that would mark the third such occurrence in the last six presidential elections.
A disputed vote has produced dramatic changes: the disputed election of Republican Rutherford (also known as “Rutherfraud”) B. Hayes in 1876 forced a political bargain which saw Democrats win the withdrawal of Northern post-Civil War troops, thus ending the Reconstruction Era and the integration of African-Americans after a scant 11 years of efforts. Perhaps the most notable point here is just how long the Republican/Democrat duopoly has dominated the United States – the Democratic Party is the oldest voter-based political party in the world, and the entrenched privileges they and Republicans have colluded to cement preclude the rising of any third-party outsiders.
And yet this year we have Donald Trump, who is a genuine political outsider.
It’s vital to remember that Trump was rejected by the Republican establishment all the way up until the eve of the Republican National Convention in May 2016. While the mainstream media and Democrats immediately and incorrectly assumed Trump was as solid a Republican as Abraham Lincoln – mainly because everything must fit into their simple “us vs. them” straitjacket of a worldview – Trump supporters knew better.
The primary catalyst for Trump’s election was his promise to “drain the Swamp” (not literally, even though Washington D.C. was constructed on former swampland), and that promise was not limited to just “Crooked Hillary” but political creatures of both parties. Indeed, the common lament over the past four years among Trumpers is that he has not fulfilled his campaign promise to lead a China-like drive against corruption because “they won’t let him”, and “they” includes Republicans as well.
Trump still preserves this outsider status because he is still not a real politician – he lacks a coherent ideology and a grassroots base to implement it – and this is why he leads no actual third party threat. This is unlike someone whom Trump hopes to join on Mount Rushmore: Teddy Roosevelt, who in 1912 was able to form the last major third party in the US – the Progressive Party (this party is often referred to as the “Bull Moose Party” in modern America, obviously to hide the party’s leftist basis), which eventually reconciled with the Republicans after the “clearly insane” (per author Mark Twain) and rabidly imperialist Roosevelt sold out already rather right-wing US progressivism.
What “Trumpism” has proven to be after four years is decidedly not a political party – Republicans co-opted him in order to both contain him and to preserve the American duopoly – but an entirely misguided hero worship, which was resorted to out of the desperation and instability caused by 40 years of neoliberal, unpatriotic and corrupt governance. “Trumpism” is thus not even really an ideology of hero worship but a gestalt cultural feeling, and a quite negative one.
A ‘Hot Fall’ – Trump and Trumpers go down with guns blazing
Many non-Trumpers understand this, and that’s why they echo the talk around the PressTV newsroom, which is that of a “Hot Fall” scenario: Trump loses both the popular and electoral college votes yet refuses to leave office. Trump, cognisant that the past four years has not increased affection for “the Swamp”, and also that his own popularity has endured despite the spectacular and unprecedented Deep State campaigns against him, thus encourages his supporters to rally in the streets in a long-awaited re-enactment of The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral or, in modern right-wing slang, “the Boogaloo”.
It’s a plausible scenario, indeed. The “only in America” scene of 17-year old Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin, killing in the streets with an AR-15 semi-automatic looked like a harbinger to many.
The likelihood of this “Hot Fall”, with Trump eventually leaving but only with the country even more divided than it has been so far in 2020, cannot be discounted. However I don’t predict that will happen.
Being a journalist who simply must query public opinion, I have asked many Americans for their thoughts on the election and about the question of a disputed vote this November. I have been rather swayed by the conservatives point of view, which is: Republicans are simply more reasonable than Democrats, and if they lose the election they will reasonably withdraw in order to preserve the country (as they are more patriotic as well).
I find that analysis – which I am merely relating from American Republicans – very astute. It doesn’t – and cannot – fully take into account the effects of a seriously disputed election, but I think it will hold true.
What I predict to be more likely is a the reverse scenario, an “Icy Crusade” led by embittered Democrats: Whether the election is disputed or not, a Trump victory will produce massive anti-Trump demonstrations starting on November 4 and lasting until 2024.
Frankly, I am hopeful this occurs – Trump has pulled the sheet off the face of American fascism, finally, and four years has not produced enough political modernity. America, today’s imperial Rome, has so very much to learn and unlearn, after all.
An ‘Icy Crusade’ – more of Americans telling others how they must live & feel
It should be remembered that – because half the electorate refuses to participate – Democratic voters are a rather fanatical minority of 25%. This is the same amount of the electorate which France’s Emmanuel Macron genuinely won in 2017, and his supporters are fanatically loyal as well – what else should we term continuing to support the weekly brutality against the Yellow Vests, which only ended with the coronavirus? Indeed, we cannot even compare the recent political repression in the US to that of France.
It must be remembered that partisan Democrats are as arrogant (imperialistic) and evangelistic as any Republican in the Pentagon and always have been: just ask a Southerner after the Civil War, or an American Indian, for that matter.
The modern Democrat does not explicitly evangelise for Protestantism and the racist paternalism of taking care of “our little brown brothers” (a historical term which was applied to the conquest of the Philippines, but which is obviously indicative of the fundamentally imperialistic mentality of even “good Americans”), but they certainly rabidly evangelise for other causes: political correctness, transgender bathrooms, against Trump, etc.
A Trump victory – disputed or not – will thus lead to more outpouring of this same evangelical, self-righteous, “Icy Crusade” which non-White Americans have been subjected to for two centuries. Crucially, the “Icy Crusade” will be just as fake-leftist as the other imperial crusades, with total intolerance of and enmity towards the “other” at its root.
I think this debilitating, annoying, politically feckless Democratic evangelism is the more likely post-election scenario because I think Trump will prevail over a second consecutive awful Democratic candidate.
Certainly, Democrats’ own machinations have been precisely calibrated so that they could also dispute the election, but perhaps without AR-15s: I refer to the hysterical push for massive mail-in ballots, which are certain to arrive late, take long to count, have “hanging chads” and foment other disputes. The choice was always clear: either hold the election on time, like so many other elections worldwide in 2020, or postpone the election, like so many other elections worldwide in 2020.
In order to hedge their bet regarding whether Deep State machinations and mainstream media campaigns do not succeed in their goal of descrediting/denying the very real “Trumpism” cultural feeling, Democrats have seemingly guaranteed the election will not be resolved on November 3 and that cultural discord will ensue.
An “Icy Crusade” can be avoided in this scenario if Democrats show as much calm reasonableness as many US conservatives often evince and as much concern for the good of the nation. However, what they must also abandon is their often undeserved moral self-righteousness – that is something which goes back to the Civil War in the north and eastern parts of the United States, and this is very unlikely to be easily uprooted.
It should be remembered that America’s 1% appears to have ensured that no matter what happens the country will be divided in order to oust the outsider Trump: unchecked coronavirus hysteria which gutted the economy, the refusal to get a second stimulus bill passed to provide some economic stability, the refusal to provide physical security amid legitimate rebellions and illegitimate looting, undermining trust in the election process by hysterically blaming Russia, and this list can go on and on. Both sides have been divided, and any modern leftist analysis explains this by the fact that under modern Western neoliberalism the 1% divides and conquers at home as well as abroad.
Therefore, there is much grounds for PressTV employees to bandy about the possibilities of either a “Hot Fall” or an “Icy Crusade” scenario around a cup of tea. Certainly, such conversations end with mutual expressions of relief that Iran is not like that.
Ramin Mazaheri is currently covering the US elections. He is the chief correspondent in Paris for PressTV and has lived in France since 2009. He has been a daily newspaper reporter in the US, and has reported from Iran, Cuba, Egypt, Tunisia, South Korea and elsewhere. He is the author of ‘Socialism’s Ignored Success: Iranian Islamic Socialism’as well as ‘I’ll Ruin Everything You Are: Ending Western Propaganda on Red China’, which is also available in simplified and traditional Chinese.
If Biden wins there will be no violence. If Trump wins there will be violence. You have only to look at the past few months to see that this is the case.
Really? You only have to look to Portland, OR. Mayor Ted Wheeler capitulating endlessly to the far left and they still tried to burn his condo down, protesting/rioting at his home. As if Biden will have any political strength or power to restrain the far left radicals? C’mon maaaan!!??
I recall in the early 1990s, when “social media” was called “newsgroups”, stumbling upon a group of american marines. They adopted the names or titles of military and politician types from the (popular) Roman late republic and early empire times; and discussed real battles they had participated in or studied; and american politics of the time; and defending the republic etc etc.
In the early 1990’s, american marines still had a reputation of being smart, tough, well-trained, and well-equiped. I, anybody, could in those days easily discouver where somebody was posting from and verify who they were, what they did, which bars they trashed, and so on. These were real american marines, active duty and retired, mostly officers. Mostly honest. A little boastful … mostly what they thought they should have done instead of hiding in the bushes. And they really were smart, tough, etc, etc.
I was fascinated. These guys had really “done it”, whatever “it” was. They could and did tell truthful stories. I still think they were/are admirable … and natural shitbags, too, as any man or boy would be, in any war, in any time. Shrug, reality.
Then, I happened to see an old John Wayne movie, wherein he (humanitarianly) murders 150+ “redskins”, without once reloading his six-shooter; and rescues the virgin saloon prostitute. Shrug, american hollywood.
Vocabulary and grammar changes noticable in 40 years, between John Wayne and early 1990s. But, still, I could hear John Wayne (or whoever moved his lips) online, from real modern (then) warriors. About murdering men, and some women, who they called “slants”, or “charlies”, or whatever. Thinking no more about them than the paper bulls-eyes on the target range. And manoeuvreing them up, like any night janitor manoeuvres the daily detritus into his dustpan.
They were and are brave men, suffering real terror and privation, doing their honest best duty, for god and king/president and nation, and the girl next door … perpetrating real suffering, terror, privation, napalm, agent orange, and depleted uranium, against paper bulls-eyes who were doing their own honest best duty, for the party and people and nation, and their girl next door.
BTW their various war colleges taught them in elaborate detail the situation, progress, outcome, and multiple alternatives, of many famous battles; but few knew or even thought about what Romans or their adversaries wrote about the battles, their causes and consequences. And none thought about the women and children scooped up and sold to the markets and fora.
I think Ramin Mazaheri gives Agent Orange too much credit. I am more skeptical of our current sock puppet in thief (I still think Greg Plast is right, he stole from Killary who in turn stole from Sanders) than ever. I once heard from a a Ohio University professor or guest ((I think) (do not remember his name)) in a class on Latin American Studies back in the late-80s/early-’90s that they “play populist games”. Now I think I am seeing it in action (at least for all practical purposes) whether the Tronald is really trying to be the “Real Thing” or not.
I see at least two evangelical camps and five political groups:
1) progressive Democrats
2) SJW Democrats
3) Trump/Bannon/”Free” Repubic, Paul the Lesser etc. fake demented populism and fake old right
4) Old School alt right: Perot, Buchanan, Rense, Paul Sr (Paul the Lesser calls the last item into question)
5) Repugnant insurgency (both Bushes, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Kasich Jr, possibly Biden too, etc)
#2 and #3 (or something similar, like hip-hop and rap overlap) are the evangelicals
Trump will win the election based upon “citizen votes” – alone !
we all recognize – stealing – is a DNC Platform Policy – all forms are acceptable: Illegal vote / criminal vote / dead people vote / boiler room manufactured mail in vote / infiltrated software vote / and the old fashion math is 2+2 = 5
unfortunately even suburban Dems will vote for Trump this time – they want their neighborhoods safe, value maintained and quiet
as to the vote that -wont- show up out of apathy – your touted segment – they are voting “this” time as well and it is all one way – Trump!
the imaginary vote dispute to make it stick – by the Dems – created out of whole cloth requires:
as with any coup d’etat FIVE key elements:
control of the media
control of the economy
capture of administrative targets
for which you need the fourth element the loyalty of the…… military –
in Ghana and Gabon or the equivalent you need only a battalion, but not in a complex democracy of this size in the US of A – it would take tens of thousands of unquestioningly loyal servicemen and even in the heyday in prime form of JOE BIDEN – unequivocally – He could never command that nor ………..Hunter Biden despite his exemplary past service in the Navy
you need to secure the Department of Defense, the Congress, the Cabinet, for starters then
The President would be arrested of course along with other politicians still loyal
you would have to shut down the airports, air traffic control, train stations, curfews would be put in place, martial law declared and I haven’t even mentioned the police
which brings me to the “fifth” element ………legitimacy !
our government draws its strength from long established institutions that support it – the courts, body of common law, and the Constitution
for any action to succeed you would have to overthrow these as well, but in a highly evolved democracy
such as ours – their authority is sacrosanct
which is why gentlemen a DNC led coup d’etat in the US of A
Doesn’t stand a …………………..chance !
so give me the other individual(s) with credibility in the DNC: Pelosi ? / Hillary ? / obama ? / Schumer ? / Nadler ? / Podesta ? / Schiff ? / Kerry ? /
piffle !
It already did in 1963 which saw the greatest coup of all with the death of JFK, that’s when the business/banking sector took over the United States government and has controlled it ever since, and only a revolution will break that grip.The Constitution don’t mean squat as the shrub said its only a piece of paper and promptly tore it apart and flushed it down the crapper, as the congress passed the Patriot Bill and Homeland Security.!!!
Not just the business/banking sector, but also the military industrial complex/officers/generals class.
Interessante ver como a direita americana é igual a brasileira, se arrogam de melhores e de serem autênticos, mas vê se claramente suas mentiras e arrogâncias. Só eles são justos, só eles são pela família só eles são cristãos mas, como cristão que se Jesus Cristo retornassem estariam de metralhadora nas mãos para o matarem novamente.
(Machine Translation, mod): Interesting to see how the American right is equal to the Brazilian, they arrogate to themselves better and to be authentic, but see if clearly their lies and arrogance. Only they are righteous, only they are for the family only they are Christians but as a Christian if Jesus Christ returned they would be with a machine gun in their hands to kill him again.
I agree with you.But you left out one other point. The States governments could declare that they assume full sovereignty as long as the Federal Government is in turmoil.The Red State governors would then call up the national guard and could call a “Levée en masse” of their “locked and loaded” citizens.Many of which shoot as good as Rittenhouse and have his nerves.The Blue States could do the same.But they are riven with disputes,not known for a gun culture except the gangbangers of course.But Kenosha showed how that worked out for 3 of those thugs. There is talk of California,Oregon,and Washington,seceding if Trump wins.If they were to try that the East of Oregon and Washington would break away from them.And far North California would join with South Oregon as a breakaway state.They’d end up with half of Oregon and Washington gone.And around a third of California. Separated by a new state between California and Oregon.And only coastal strips left of Oregon and Washington. That might really be the time to “Drain the swamp”.
You forgot the animals. The Democrats will sweep the family pet vote!
I agree with your assessment: Trump wins election night, followed by the Democrats trying to steal it with mail in votes. or Plan B: muddy the water and count on a military coup to remove Trump. Isn’t that what Podestra is proposing? Typical of DNC incompetence that such information has been leaked. Like the incompetence of supporting race riots and thinking it would cost Trump votes.
I also agree that the DNC coup won’t succeed. Isn’t the lie about Trump calling the soldiers “losers” a pathetic attempt to turn the rank and file against the president? Another reason the coup won’t work is because the top military brass, who would support a coup, are all cowards. They won’t risk their 6 figure consultant jobs to put the DNC in power. Every man for himself!
What will happen? Considering the disgraceful behavior of Democrats at the state level – politicizing Covid 19 and using lock downs to ruin Trump’s economy, then refusing to enforce the law and allowing their own cities to burn – I think succession is a real possibility. California, Oregon, Washington, the New England states, New York, New Jersey, Michigan & Illinois. All bets are off after that. Only certainty is what money and middle class workers are still in these states will flee fast.
I know that sounds crazy. Yet the Democratic Party controls the entire media and have become trapped in that giant echo chamber. They are as out of touch with reality as they are corrupt. We’re talking about the party which has likely delivered to Trump the largest black vote any Republican has ever gotten. They’re as useless as the Useless Idiots they use to loot and riot.
Falam da violência se Trump vencer, mas quem sai com metralhadora matando pessoas inocentes são trumpistas, é seu grupo que se acha os enviados de Deus, é este Trump que transferiu a embaixada para Jerusalém, e é este mesmo Trump que avaliza Bolsonazi no Brasil e que sufoca a Venezuela e aumenta o bloqueio a Cuba, e foi este mesmo Trump que rompeu o acordo com o Irã. Então entre um e outro a diferença é apenas o mal que Trump faz ao mundo ser descarado enquanto o outro , Biden ao menos tenta ser mais brando em seu apoio ao imperialismo norte americano,por isso nós democratas do Brasil torcemos pela derrota de Trump.
(Machine translation, mod): They talk about violence if Trump wins, but those who leave with a machine gun killing innocent people are Trumpists, it is their group that thinks they are God’s envoys, it is this Trump who transferred the embassy to Jerusalem, and it is this same Trump who endorses Bolsonazi in Brazil and who suffocates Venezuela and increases the blockade on Cuba, and it was this same Trump who broke the agreement with Iran. So between one and the other the difference is just the harm that Trump does to the world being brazen while the other , Biden at least tries to be milder in his support of US imperialism,so we Democrats in Brazil cheer for Trump’s defeat
Why the need to refer to “machine guns”? Who is using them in the USA?? I feel your sentiment re Trump and surrounding himself with Neocons, Zionist policies in Israel, sanctions/embargo on VEN, Cuba, etc. I’m on the fence about voting for Trump due to those policies and people he surrounds himself with.
That said, the wolf in sheep’s clothing Biden and Harris, who has a track record of destroying countless lives while AG of CA, is naive. Biden was VP while Obama destroyed Libya, Syria, Ukraine, to name a few. If that is what you call mild, I want no part of it! At the least, Trump hasn’t started any new wars. And appears to want to draw-down troops from Afghanistan. With Germany, transferring to Poland, that is worrying to me. The PTB are making everything chaotic as per usual. I’m just burned out already. I’d move out to the mountains someplace if I could, the forests. Except the far left goons are now burning the forests down! Then Pelosi has the gall to claim climate change and mother Earth is angry at us or whatever? Makes me sick! Waiting any day now for those indictments. /s No justice vs the villains ruling over us it seems.
One thing to consider is that the chief complaint being made by Biden about Trump is that Trump is not vicious enough when it comes to foreign policy. Trump is already scary, but I am really afraid of what Biden will do.
Lo siento, olvidé la traducción (Machine Translation): Una cosa a considerar es que la principal queja de Biden sobre Trump es que Trump no es lo suficientemente cruel cuando se trata de política exterior. Trump ya da miedo, pero tengo mucho miedo de lo que hará Biden.
”What I predict to be more likely is the reverse scenario, an ’Icy Crusade’ led by embittered Democrats: Whether the election is disputed or not, a Trump victory will produce massive anti-Trump demonstrations starting on November 4 and lasting until 2024.”
This would be excellent news, primarily for the following three reasons:
a) George Soros remains committed, and he has got the financial muscle needed to break up the US. Unlike what he encountered as he tried his luck with Russia and China, he does have first-hand experience and understanding of the US population’s staggering levels of inanity and insanity.
b) It’s immensely welcome seeing the Exceptionals and Indispensables engage in internal ferocious rows due to what is, in fact, an utter non-event. Facilitates the liberation of scores of oppressed countries and peoples globally.
c) With so much disunity and depravity on open display, it will become less and less of an issue to start using more ’appropriate verbiage’ about the US, even in ’respectable’ media.
”Frankly, I am hopeful this occurs – Trump has pulled the sheet off the face of American fascism, finally, and four years has not produced enough political modernity. America, today’s imperial Rome, has so very much to learn and unlearn, after all.”
Well, Trump personally isn’t more or less of a fascist than any of the other specimina previously inhabiting the Offal Office. If Trump indeed has ’pulled the sheet off the face of American fascism’ as Ramin puts it, that’s really because the times have changed. In a by-gone era, say the early 1980s, Trump would stand out as an invincible Pindo über-patriot (idiot) like Reagan. And, conversely, Reagan would come a cropper were he Pindo President today. The issue of learning and unlearning will be solved once the utter parasitism of ’the American way of life’ is defeated from without while George Soros destroys the US from within. Exorbitant privilege enjoyed on the backs of the world’s poor calls for consequences when the tables are turned.
“Certainly, such conversations end with mutual expressions of relief that Iran is not like that”.
Iran exploded in violence after the 2009 Presidential election,with thousands arrested and the government themselves saying 36 people were killed putting down the protests. Then there were the massive 2017-18 protests with the government confirming the arrests of thousands of protesters.Then there were the 2019-20 protests with tens of thousands of arrests and hundreds of deaths.While those might not have toppled the government. And the US election violence might.They were still a real problem for Iran.
removed Trump isn’t an outsider. He is for the rich 000.1% and the Deep state and Jews ALL the way. EVERYTHING he has done in the last 4 years confirms that. He cut the taxes for the rich, attacked Obama care, has done everything Israel asked him to, has continued and expanded the “wars”, tried to antagonize BOTH Russia and CHina anyway he could find, almost attacked Venezuela and Iran and so on. Recently Israel used a USA base to attack Allepo.
Removed. If you continue to attack the author and uses capitals your comments will go to the trash. Mod.
Well said. Trump is like the fascist dictator Franco, he uses Christianity to manipulate the masses.
“Republicans are simply more reasonable than Democrats, and if they lose the election they will reasonably withdraw in order to preserve the country (as they are more patriotic as well).”
??? These are the same Republicans that gave us the national debt and have championed deregulation. I have no trouble believing they flatter themselves about being “more responsible”, but it sure doesn’t look that way to me. Over and over again they have taken the “nuclear option” of throwing traditional rules intended to allow power sharing and political stability in the trash for their own short term benefit. A recent example of this was when they blocked Obama’s supreme court nominee claiming a year was insufficient time to hold confirmation hearings. When they have controlled congress they have trashed the prerogatives of the minority party. The only thing that is true about the politicians in Washington is that they want to put money in their pockets at the expense of the national interest. They are about as far removed from responsibility as you can get. The United States basically operates like a banana republic. Republican rank and file who think their party is “responsible” have been living on their own propaganda for too long. I am no fan of the Democrats but is many ways the Republicans are worse.
“And yet this year we have Donald Trump, who is a genuine political outsider.”
Again and again – if we’re going to run with the *false narrative that Trump is an “outsider” – we’re never going to know where to look to solve any of the problems the USA is facing
Trump uses the Democrats, the NY Times, WaPo (and what is called the liberal media) as a cover – for not doing this – and not doing that
If you cant see it, you cant see it!
Btw Ramin your link to “rising of any third-party” outsiders redirects to your FB page which means if we’re not on FB we cant access the information you were linking to
Regards
“It must be remembered that partisan Democrats are as arrogant (imperialistic) and evangelistic as any Republican in the Pentagon and always have been: just ask a Southerner after the Civil War, or an American Indian, for that matter.“
If you interviewed Southerners and Indians after the War of Northern Aggression, you’d hear them say that the carpetbaggers who swarmed the South to pick over its bones, and the army which fought the Indians who earlier had been removed primarily from the south to reservations in the west, that these arrogant brutalist were Republican Yankees who were indeed their enemy.
Much as I like Ramin, as an outsider he occasionally conflates the different parties in American politics. It is understandable. If a typical American were asked to explain Iranian politics or culture…hoo boy. (I could do it, as I identify with “your” people Ramin: sometimes I have a Sunni disposition, sometimes I’m a little Shiite.)
If we were able to put paper bags over the heads of all American politicians, and have anonymized voices for them, most voters couldn’t distinguish between the two parties.
Me? I’ve voted in every election since 1972 and Trump is the first person I’ve ever voted for who got elected. I will vote for him again. The Republicans have given us a 5 to 10 Trillion dollar deficit this year. If Harris gets in office, things will be even more scary!
(Lastly, I repeat myself from earlier post: my father has voted straight Republican ticket his entire life. This year, he’s voting for Harris-Biden. This would Never happen if he was still alive!)
Nice comment Bill!
Just to add Fuel to the Fire …………..let’s have a look at John “Bomb.Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran” McStain’s home state of Arizona and how their Mafia “get’s it done” for the Empire’s Perpetual Wars….with Republican…………. or Democrat making very little difference when it comes to that mafia’s true intentions and loyalties:
https://youtu.be/IKCBvEogYD0?t=837
Neon’s Arizona Activist Guest breaks down the DS Blueprint for Making Blue Sh*T “Happen” in the 2018 US Senate race that had Kyrsten Sinema.”come from FAR behind” with a 9-1 margin of mail-in ballots…..counted long after the polls had closed election day
Now…..GO DEEPER into the Deep State Playbook…………and realize that McStain’s 2008 “Republican” presidential run “against” Barack Obama was NOT against him or his masters in any way, shape or form…..but rather an extended acting skit in which BOTH actors were playing a role in testing out new “game theory” election manipulation techniques and algorithms that worked like a charm…………in 2008….but not so well…. 8 years later.
Just “the tip of the iceberg” that “crashed the algorithms”???
I’d say that “tip” could just be……….. Julian Assange:
https://youtu.be/hrYN3e4sq8I:
Tucker investigates why ‘DOJ is pursuing Julian Assange aggressively’
453,042 views•Premiered Sep 11, 2020
It is going to be quite a show…….but this time many more “countermeasures are in place”…..I do trust. than could be managed from totally outside…four years ago.
Look at the comments regarding Assange over the years…and in that 3 minute video above.
What % pro Julian??? What % anti??? Those are VOTES, people!
Multiply times a few million.
You think Trump is just more of the “same old, same old”?? The Deep State has certainly done their damndest to force him into that mold…..and make many, many of you into cynical defeatists who play into their hands.
But what will you do if Orange Man Pardons Julian???
Expect the Unexpected. If not that……….. quite yet……………..something of equal or greater magnitude of an “October Surprise”.
Didn’t the first one of those have something to do with Iran???? LOL.
Forty Years Ago.
“Timing is everything”.
If Orange Man pardons Julian I’ll definitely start taking you seriously, Bro. His base would be marching on DC and calling for his head in an instant. Not counting on either of those two scenarios to see the light of day.
Unfortunately, Disaffected…….you don’t seem to know the most strategically valuable portion (as in growing rapidly in awareness) of Trump’s base anti-imperialists might ally with, nor do you apparently want to know ANYTHING about them, so far.
A natural consequence of being so………”Disaffected”.
Your endorphins and positive (or maybe it’s negative?? lol) cortisol come from axiomatically considering them TRASH ……………….and considering yourself decidedly “better”.
Oh, really????
PROVE IT.
I will help you do so…….(then you can have your turn…select your “proving ground”)….. or at least attempt to do so………… by suggesting a “proving ground” where that base “gets it”….morally…………… on at least a gut level…………….. while a great many visitors here…..including yourself, to date (I hypothesize….and stand ready waiting to be proved wrong) simply don’t want to EVER….. “go” there.
Because they just don’t WANT…to “get it”.
They are much more “comfortable” never, ever, coming even close to “getting it”!
That proving ground currently discussed in the Moveable Feast Cafe notably by Babuška…..starting here:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-09-13/#comment-851789
is society’s treatment of not just its children……but global society’s treatment of children……….everywhere.
And in particular the perverse “spiritual” enslavement that their rape and (not all that infrequent ….disposal is one practical reason…..hardening of the pyschopathic tendency for mass genocide…is another) sacrificial murder serves……...as the “glue” of the Empire Model….deep down in the nether regions….. of its hellish ANCIENT foundations.
Sandin-Ed in that same (current) Cafe is apparently capable of going there:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-09-13/#comment-851902
and then Babuška goes deeper into the matter of what Trump’s “Blue” Hollywood opposition is currently up to on this vastly underestimated flank against Empire……to shore it up…..and keep so many of y’all from EVER, EVER….. “going there”:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-09-13/#comment-851938
with this link……..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEZbxxLfiCw&feature=youtu.be
featuring the exquisite sarc of Johnny Smugface to help some rare ones among you “get it”
and the comment:
“sexualised children can not be un-sexualised.”
But forget the sexualized “Cuties” Hollywood psyop for the moment and “go” here for the story of a partial (but ultimately FAILED recruit into the hellish “financial” hordes of Empire Minions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VReDCJUkdb4&feature=youtu.be
Ronald Bernard – Testimony for the tribunal London – English with subs
That’s enough for now.
Sorry Bro, I come from those people, still identify them, and although I consider many of them to be misinformed and heavily propagandized, I don’t consider them trash at all. Mostly, I consider them simply oppressed and taken advantage of by the DC duopoly consensus. They’ve been systematically looted and plundered for at least the last 40 years. They so desperately want to believe someone has their back after all that that they’re willing to put their faith in a professional populist shyster like Trump. Unfortunately, after four years of madness and dissembling, his record indicates otherwise. He’s nothing more than an allegedly-wealthy east coast real estate conman, just as his track record indicated he was.
Baloney, Disaffected. You STILL don’t get it and probably never will…because of the plain fact that you STILL won’t “go there”.
Ho do I know???
Because you answered before you had time to let Ronald Bernard’s testimony sink in. QED
And furthermore you have NOTHING to offer….SO FAR…….except your disaffection and dismissal of the oppressed Deplorables as never being capable of your superior ( and utterly useless) cynicism…but instead go back to that “default setting” of yours.
Pathetic.
Try some of the more sophisticated international professionals’ understanding of these matters (instead of the easy dismissal of simpler “deplorable” people so easy for you to dismiss from your ultra-sophisticated (sic) self staked out “low ground” you consider “high ground” and consider becoming part of a solution instead of a smug dissaffected part of NO SOLUTION ……at all…EVER.
I can see that psycho-sexual impotence coming……from MILES away!
Cheers!
LOL! There’s no arguing with a true believer, so I’ll leave it with that. Trump will likely win in November, so we’ll see how it plays out soon enough. Who knows? Maybe you’re even right? I’ll gladly eat humble pie if that’s the case, but there’s no reason to currently believe that’s going to happen. Two term presidents always double down on what got them there in the first place, so with both Trump and the Dems it will be just four more years of the same. The solution, my friend, is the total dismantling of the current DC consensus, which is going to take a whole lot more than putting one’s naive faith in some self-styled big city east coast demagogue who so far has only brought theatrics and more of the same. But good luck with that!
This is not bad but there are a couple of problems.
First, Trump has not ripped the sheet off American “fascism.” He has torn the mask off the Jewish globalists and their gentile puppets and exposed the real nature of the American oligarchy.
Second, American conservatives (and I am speaking of the leadership and the shills) are not more ‘reasonable’ — they are corrupt, clueless and weak. Another Trump term will hopefully see the final discrediting of this bankrupt ideology and huckster’s grift.
In a small country far away recent elections have been on time but ballots HAVE been stolen from non-right wing voters.
Trump will win in a landslide.
Dems will contest the result and go all in
with all kind of Bolshevik nonsense to please
their more chaos out of chaos Overlords.
I believe Trump will win on the day for in person voting but the issue remains will the postal voting when counted swing things back to Biden. The dangers of fraud are quite evident here so the result could well be disputed. Either way even if Trump wins outright I think the leftist mobs will continue to riot & burn.
With all the talk of insurrection and possible civil war, it is obvious to me that the respective enablers of the Biden and Trump factions have started to negotiate. Trump, psychopath that he is with his MIGI [Make Israel Great Immediately], is expendable and so is Biden, due to his senility. Coupled with this is the enormous debt, both private, including corporate, and public at all levels of government (local, state and federal) as well as the private (corporate and individual) public pension plan obligations (civil servants and Social Security). All this is not sustainable.
What is the solution? The universal solution in such situations has always been the same: war, in this case, triggered by false flag attacks on the US, in the course of which both presidential candidates and perhaps the vice-presidential candidates as well would be eliminated. Russia and China are way too powerful to be accused. Iran is borderline. Any launch of an attack on Iran would result in the destruction of Israel in the course of which Israeli embassies and consulates would be immediately occupied worldwide to prevent a Masada-style detonation of nuclear weapons worldwide.
Acceptable countries in my opinion would be Venezuela, Turkey, the Houti in Yemen, the Taliban, ISIS and Al-Qaeda, the last being easiest to combat but least plausible, especially since the scale of attacks necessary to eliminate these four individuals would have to be high. It might not be feasible to eliminate all of them.
Focus on the Red-Blue UniParty and the way it is being used to promote polarization and division is the point.
It’s fair to assume that since JFK was killed, the executive branch does what it is told. For those outside the USA: this dynamic has been in the making for a long time. From 911 until now the machinations for color revolution and controlled chaos have been put into place. From the false hopey-changey Barry Obama, to the Orange Man Bad and dozens of other leverage points a vast blacket of social engineering has been cast and taken hold on the population at large. With the covid fear and “lockdown” a hard leverage pointhas been staked into the ground: the destruction of middle America and further consolidation of money-power-control. Add to that the NGO funded agit-prop and you have the upcoming election looking like a perfect storm. Keep in mind that all factions involved are being poked and prodded to extremism, sometimes with fabricated events. With the speed and control of mass media this is very easy to do. The bitter irony being that these formulae have been used on other nations for quite some time and have now come to roost in the USA. Why and for whom is an entire ‘nother thread, but it’s clear that the forces behind the manipulation care not for soveriegnty.
Death squads in the street: the cops in LA are not going down without a fight either in uniform or out of uniform–
It is on…Compton was always bad, but there has never been a crowd outside a hospital blocking entry so another level of warfare is on. Please, spare me the comments about the oppressed of Compton—this is the action of criminal gangs who prey on the people in their own community in temporary union with paid agitators.
Now, would this happen in East LA outside the Adventist Hospital on Cesar Chavez Blvd? I doubt that the Mexican-American gangs would permit this even in these mean times. Maybe MS-13 would do so but they hold rule in other places in LA.
https://www.rt.com/usa/500581-trump-los-angeles-sheriffs-ambushed/
“thus ending the Reconstruction Era and the integration of African-Americans after a scant 11 years of efforts.”
So how many years do you think it should take to “integrate” those who used to be called Negroes? Is it even feasible? Have you ever lived in a “black African” part of town? Ever visited Baltimore, Detroit etc.? Ever gone to school with their kids? Sent your own kids to a school dominated by them?
I think that white Americans would be very happy if the Iranians accepted them and tried to “integrate” them. :-)
The hypocrisy of so-called Liberals/Socialists is beyond belief.
Why on earth should the Iranians accept them and integrate them?
Did the Iranians abduct their ancestors and ship them half way across the world to work them to death as slaves in a country they had recently ethnically cleansed?
What am I saying. Of course the Iranians should be held responsible. Good old American logic.
Kidding aside, Iran has integrated many ethnic groups over the millenia. The US is a racist state that owes its black population a debt, and owes its native population a debt. Until those debts are paid, the US is a cursed land IMO.
Ramin,
I’m trying to figure out what’s behind your staunch pro-Trump stance.
All I’ve come up with is that you are following a policy to try and make it seem like Iran is attempting to “meddle” in the US election in favor of Trump, thus discrediting Trump.
But what difference does it make which puppet plays the US president in the media, when others are pulling the strings?
Anyone who believes Trump has any power to take independent action has missed the boat completely.
The US presidential election is a reality tv show, a contest like American Idol, where people are made to believe that they live in a democracy and their vote counts. What really happens on American Idol is people choose in whose voice they prefer to hear Zionist incantations, whereas in the presidential election they get to choose which Zionist pawn they find less objectionable to pretend to be the President.
Reality tv star Donald Trump becoming President is the ultimate irony, which I’m sure is not lost on his Zionist masters.
“I’m trying to figure out what’s behind your staunch pro-Trump stance.” I’ve been trying to do the same. That he is currently president of the USA is totally because of, as you put it, his Zionist masters. Most Zionists in the USA are Christian. They constitute his rock-solid base. They believe he’s the new King Cyrus who has brought the Jews back to the so-called Holy Land. I could say more but the moderators would block my comment.
Nuff said. Trump will win the election in November because elections in the USA are totally rigged. Trump has been Kosher Nostra for decades, ever since he hung out with his mentor, Roy Cohn, back in the 1980s. The minute he leaves the presidency he will be headed to court for numerous felonies, including money laundering for the Kosher Nostra and tax evasion. He absolutely has to win in November, and he will.
Oh, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy ….again.
And Jamshyd for the first time. I refer you to the dialogue above….. between myself and Disaffected for a possible glimpse into the answer to your question of Ramin:
/outcome-of-a-disputed-us-vote-a-hot-fall-or-an-icy-crusade/#comment-852129
and my best guess as to how he might see something redeemable…something even human….in terms of HIS idea of “socialist”… morality….that is concern for the well being of others….that perhaps he sees some slight trace of……………in the Trump “base” …but which he sees NONE of….in the Fake Left…of the Blue Wave of Sewage.
That “marker” of some redeemable humanity…..Crimes Against Children and those that WILL NOT ABIDE that absolute “spiritual” garbage…..and CAN confront it……….. is what y’all who are distressed by this article…..just might consider digging into a little bit…..to begin to fathom HOW….Ramin just might be weighing…….where ANY humanity conceivably worth attempting to work with ………in the current American cultural and political/electoral MESS…..EXISTS….RESIDES…… after talking to dozens if not hundreds of ordinary Americans……. and “weighing them” ……the way you might try doing….as well.
If you are not here, like he is presently, that may be slightly more difficult…but with comments on the internet it is not impossible.
And I understand that Ramin my not have visited THAT particularly dark corner of Imperialism yet. Or may have.
I don’t know which it is, in his case. I just know that in his experience of getting to know “the people” in many, many lands (because I share that experience somewhat) the “scales” of character judgement become more sensitive…… more accurate.
IF one intends that refinement.
Instead of the gross oversimplification your comment reflects…for no good purpose that I can see….other than you patting yourself on your back…..like Disaffected does.
Always with the personal attacks right out the gate. Typical Trump tactics. Campaign worker, perhaps? Really Bro, you undermine your own arguments with that stuff. You can do better than that.
Bro is a typical Trumpster. That the moderators here haven’t haven’t banned his diatribes shows their true colors. This comment will also be banned.
Kind of a shame. He makes some good points that I for the most part agree with (we just draw different conclusions), then he undermines the whole thing with these baseless attacks.
Oh, I’m sorry mates!
I replied below, here:
/outcome-of-a-disputed-us-vote-a-hot-fall-or-an-icy-crusade/#comment-852514
Jamshyd
Sorry but you are not seeing the picture holistically, using the parameter of cost and benefits analysis the damages Trump had done and is doing to the America empire is invaluable in favour of the rise of Multi-polarity without the moron-in-chief realizing it.
Look at sanctions on Iran and war on Libya and Syria imposed during Obama era, it was done by the Democrat in such a slick way with the (pseudo) decorum of a law abiding nation which always gets its allies to follow through smoothly. But with Trump the reverse as been the case, gone are the facade of the law abiding empire couple with the America first policy which as estrange the European powers and has pulled most of the anti-America nations closer together.
This even though has come with a very high cost for a nation like Iran such the martyrdom of the great general Soleimani, but his martyrdom has unified the Axis of Resistance even in the most fragile arenas for the resistance Iraq and Trump arm twisting of the gulf sheikdom into signing peace agreement with Israel has finally united the Palestinian resistance and further alienated these artificial regimes from the Arab streets. Even Trumps America first policy which have led to a trade war with China have made the Chinese more resistance towards accommodating America’s bullying reducing the chance of China using iran as a bargain chip with America, whilst it has given rise to German nationalism which is once again speaking of creating a European forces and going East, and with Japan talking about jettisoning its Pacifist constitution and building up its army for oversea duties.
This is an issue of mutual threat and has thus brought China and Russia closer together like never before whence they both recognize the threat of these nationalism brewing in Germany and Japan an ally of America, and which is being encouraged tacitly by Washington. As Mk Bhadrakumar as rightly observed this a stark relation to what took place which led to ww2. This has also contributed to the multiple of setback America have suffered against Iran at UNSC recently, because it as increasingly a shared value to resist America rogue actions on the international arena.
Trump may be a moron and tormenting the world but he is destroying America empire in a way that a major war might not achieve and the Democrat can reverse this gains by closing ranks against with there European lackeys because it wasn’t that Europeans are tired of western civilisation America led hegemony over works affairs, it is Trump approach they are simply not in tandem with. So one can only imagine another four years of his leadership of the US and irreparable strategic damage it will cost America empire.
Though one should not set its foreign policy on internal issues of the US but it cannot be completely ignored as it should be exploited as much as one can if only on a tactical basis.
Yk,
I think with all this they are setting the world up for WW3.
Kind of a shame that you take it so personally, and so disaffectedly, Disaffected.
I don’t.
Because it really isn’t about your ego or mine…or anyone’s “feelings” about such…………or seeing my mildly combative style as “baseless attacks”.
There is MUCH, MUCH more at stake than that………….so much……. that it IS worth fighting it out, getting banned if necessary……ruffling plenty of feathers…and ANY ONE making breakthoughs….with anyone within earshot…that is ready…and willing even if that is ONE person…that “can take the heat in the kitchen”.
OK??
And leading you to the Roland Bernard testimony (above) may not be any baby step you and tommie can ever even begin to follow up on….(I realize that 100%) …but it would do you both a world of good, in my most humble opinion.
Because I DO know what you are both missing…in order to more effectively oppose the Enemy of Humanity
.and so my words are not an attack…..but an act of “tough love”……….. to supply it.
And perhaps some ego less affected…someone with a lot tougher skin (like myself 40 years ago, for example…which enabled me to survive the obvious fact that I didn’t know up from down, or “shit from shinola” politically speaking, in terms of world realities…and survive a very, very much hotter kitchen than this one.. .) ..by observation……….. just may be able to do what you (pl) evidently can’t quite do yet:
Hear Ronald Bernard out….in the above link……and finally grasp the darkest facts of the matter that you have missed a vital piece of………….in the strategic puzzle.………..that a great many “Trumpsters”….as you put it….have NOT missed.
SO: I’m pulling for you BOTH!
I really am!
Now here is one DJT speech I bet not ONE person in this thread has EVER seen before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOjC1uZgke8
.IF you (any ONE reading) can bear it. I don’t expect it to “convert” even 1 person. But I do expect it will cause at least one person to put aside his or her preconceptions, and prejudices……and chew on it a good long while. And some one out there may even be …., share it!
And the wonderful thing about Craig Mason is that he is SOOO reasonable that a minute or two of him after the Unknown Speech…..will be a sooooothing balm!
Cheers!