Over the past 24 hours the Internet, including this blog, have been flooded with opinion on what everybody and anybody would do if they were in Putin’s boots. Proposals range from declaring an no-fly zone over Syria to, I kid you not, send a couple of Russian SSBNs (subs which carry intercontinental ballistic missiles) off the coast of Israel. Furthermore, since Putin has failed, at least so far, to implement any retaliatory measures, the usual chorus of “Putin is a traitor” has been swamping my poor mods with sanguine expressions of disgust about Putin, Russia and yours truly :-)
I do realize that nothing I say would change the minds of this latter group, but for the rest of us in the real world, a short reality check might be helpful. So, here it is a a short bullet-point format.
- Putin is absolutely right to take his time and not announce any immediate measures. Not only is this region of our planet extremely dangerous, he also needs the inputs of all the experts. In Russian we say that “haste is only needed when catching fleas”.
- Furthermore, there *are* questions which need to be investigated. For example, the Russians have declared that the Russian air defenses and the Syrian ones have now been integrated. Most people don’t realize that an S-200 battery does not just fire by itself or by the decision of the crew. At the very least, this decision is taken by a air defense command post which evaluates the threats and allocates targets. There is a high probability that Russians were also involved in the chain of events which lead to the downing of the Il-20.
- Declaring a no-fly zone over all of Syria is simply not in the current Russian capabilities. Like it or not, that is a fact. However, declaring an air exclusion zone over Khmeimim and Tartus is something the Russians could do, especially with the help of the Russian Navy ships near the Syrian coast and the Russian AWACS in the air (putting a pair of MiG-31BMs on combat air patrol over northern Syria would also be an option). The size of such an air exclusion zone over Russian forces would have to be very carefully agreed upon with all the relevant experts and lawyers (yes, Russia does care about international law).
So let’s not speculate about all this and wait for the Kremlin to take some kind of decision. Then we can evaluate it. Right now all these speculations are just a waste of time.
Also, speaking of Syria: has anybody noticed that the agreement between Turkey and Russia has removed any justification for a US attack on Syria and that the Israelis have organized their latest little bloody stunt right after this deal was announced?
Finally, and on a lighter note, did you know that the Russians have, apparently, run out of Novichok gas and that they are now using rat poison to kill daughters of military band leading generals? No?
See for yourself :-)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6182661/Putin-tried-kill-says-Russian-model-fell-ill-Salisbury-Sunday.html
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/russian-lingerie-model-claims-targeted-2019904
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/19/russian-model-victim-salisbury-poisoning-scare-claims-putins/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7291372/anna-shapiro-salisbury-poisoning-vladmir-putin/
The Saker
The French frigate , Isreali air raid , il 20 shoot down and the ibleb de escalation agreements , they these separate events or interconnected?
And the press conference of the russian MOD on the MH17 crash.
Having studied Kabbalah and having a very keen knowledge of Jewish mysticism, I will tell you concretely what all great Kabbalists and Rabbis mekoubalim know in secret; This mystic from the Kabbalah predicts that Islam (symbolized by the number 5 in reference to Friday) and Christianity symbolized by the number 8 (meaning Sunday, because for Jews Sunday is the 8th day and not the 7th, the night from Saturday to Sunday evening after the Shabbat counting for a) will unite to give birth to the number 13, 13 which in the Hebrew Gematria symbolizes the letter Mem, which is the letter associated with death, of an end for a new beginning, broadly speaking, of a destructive war leading to a renewal. Islam (5) and Christianity (8) forming the Mem (13) will confront Israel (symbolized by the number 7, a figure associated with Shabbat, 7th day), figure 7 symbolizing Zayin, the Sword of grace, a sword that is turned down symbolizing the divine action, the spiritual and non-material sword. The whole calculation will therefore give the union Islam / Chrisitanism = 13 against Israel = 7, 13 + 7 = 20 which is symbolized by the letter Rèch, which is one of the most important letters, symbolizing the coronation associated with the end of the great work by and large, the unveiling, it is also signified by the Kether, which is the most important sephiroth of the tree of life which is the symbol of God, or more precisely of the primordial Man, Adam Kadmon. Either the union of Islam and Christianity with the letter Mem, the letter of chaos fighting Israel will bring God through the power of Zayin, the sword of grace that will fall on Mem the destructive and cumulative force of Islam and Christianity will be defeated and the combination of the three forces will give birth to Reh, the symbol of Sephiroth Kether which is the descent of Adam Kadmon, the primordial Adam, the Mashiach. That’s why they want this union between Islam and Christianity under the guise of a false conflict and why they absolutely want a war, for them, everything is a combination of strength, these forces in question being the Arcane powers needed to complete their ritual.
Well said. That is how grown-up man who still behave like boy scouts do think and act. Immature. Autistic. Erratic. Childish. Always destructive. Suicidal and genocidal. By default.
I don’t want to see the start of World War 3 but Israel should not be allowed to continue their crimes with impunity. I fear no response from Putin will only embolden Israel.
Who is currently in violation of International Law and the Geneva Convention ?
IT’S ISRAEL
ISRAEL’S CURRENT VIOLATIONS
ISRAELI Article 2(4) & 51 (1945); Declaration on Principles ofOCCUPATION IS ILLEGAL:
Laws Violated: U.N. Charter, International Law Concerning Friendly Relations…, Principle 1(1970).
ILLEGAL ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS ON OCCUPIED LAND:
Laws Violated: Geneva Conventions IV, Article 49(6) (1949). It is illegal to colonize occupied land or transfer non-indigenous population to that
land.
ILLEGAL TO TAKE LAND BY FORCE & CLAIM SOVEREIGNTY:
Laws Violated: U.N. Charter, Article 2(4) (1945); Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations…, Principle 1(1970).
ILLEGAL ISRAELI PRACTICE OF ETHNIC CLEANSING:
Laws Violated: Forbidding civilian populations the right to return to their homes following the end of armed conflict is in direct violation ofinternational law and UN resolutions. Geneva Convention IV, Articles 45, 46 & 49 (1949), UN resolutions 194 (III) (General Assembly; 1948) &237 (Security Council; 1967).
ISRAELI APARTHEID SYSTEM IS ILLEGAL:
Laws Violated: International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1976).
MASSIVE VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS (HR):
Laws Violated: U.N. Charter, Article 1 (1945); Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations…, Principle 5 (1970).
COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT IS ILLEGAL:
Laws Violated: Geneva Conventions IV, Article 33 (1949); Geneva Conventions (Protocol I), Article 75(2d) (1977).
ILLEGAL MASSIVE TRANSFORMATION OF LOCAL LAWS:
Laws Violated: Hague Regulations IV, Article 43 (1907).
VIOLATIONS OF U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS:
Laws Violated: Israel has violated 28 resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (which are legally binding on member-nations U.N.
Charter, Article 25 (1945); a few sample resolutions – 54, 111, 233, 234, 236, 248, 250, 252, 256, 262, 267, 270, 280, 285, 298, 313, 316, 468, 476,etc.
SEPARATION BARRIER RULED ILLEGAL
These are not the actions of a country that wants peace. Israel has no interest in peace. In reality, it has demonstrated that its interest is in maintaining its control over the most amount of land with the fewest number of Palestinians.
https://m.facebook.com/zionistlies
As usual , you make sense mate. Just uber frustrated with that pesky colonial settler state and Le France. Add in the crazed Turkish carpet salesman …man…Russia really needs to take its time evaluating the situation and right response.
The model at the centre of the new Salisbury ‘Novichok’ poisoning is a former Porn Star and Babestation model.
you can’t buy advertising like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on4PW5hENRc
little information on targets… a delivery of Bavar 373 ? any confirmation? and what else?
There is a good piece by Tom Luongo that is worth reading. It essentially says that the Russian plane was actually shot down by the French frigate and that this was a deliberate act (joint French/Israeli mission) to provoke Russia into military retaliation against a NATO member. By not responding militarily Putin has essentially retained control and can respond on terms that work for Russia and not the AZs.
https://tomluongo.me/2018/09/19/decoding-putin-attack-syria/
Crimea’s Belbek Airfield Pays Tribute to Russian Airmen Killed in Downing of Il-20 near Syria
https://sputniknews.com/videoclub/201809201068186317-il-20-syria-tribute/
Larchmonter445
Thanks re the info on rotation.
To anon….it was FRN who’d reported about the H Truman i was unsure as to the veracity of the report,thanks.
its very clear Putin will not respond no matter how much time you think he needs.
the proof is isreal lying about their pilots not seeing the Russian plane and blaming Syria for it being shot down.
such a response proves they not only have no fear of putin but intend to continue acting any way they intend without accepting consequence.
Makes me feel like puzzles.
Because there are certain pieces that don’t match to the places we think we see.
I tried to figure this puzzles out in imagining the pieces that not shown.
There must be the pieces we haven’t seen.
Those are, still hidden, very bigger pieces.
Putin started negotiating with Netanyahu, not sure since when.
That’s why he made a phone call to Putin so soon, also why he “sent his air force chief to Russia with a detailed report”.
That’s also the reason why Idlib offensive was not done except for few Russian missiles launched.
Accordingly, this time incident has to be interpreted of something Netanyahu couldn’t stop.
So he seems he also has risk, and so far not everyone is under his conduct.
If only my guess is right.
Negotiating directly with Israel is definitely a reasonable choice for Russia, in leaving out Washington because of the actual order system in Trump era.
Washington takes order from Tel Aviv, while latter doesn’t from the other.
So there must be something more behind.
Russia and Israel share too lot common that can’t be ignored.
What if Russia takes over the US’s place to Israel, when Israel dumped the bloody alliance founded by Kennedy?
Israel may or may not do so when they see more interest in such deal.
Then Russia can have more control over Israel, and over the region.
When Putin really wants less blood shed, this is one of the good options, or lesser evil.
Joke: Israel Always Informs Russia When Attacking Syria – Morris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUGpHhDr_7E
Chosenites’ arrogance – On foot… Moscow is Jewish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfoHTMEihPs
You can change the subtitle to English
Dear Saker,
Your article was very sensible. I read it before any comments were made, but read the links you gave to English online papers, and the comments there. They were hilariously funny. Thanks !
Ras
“13 which in the Hebrew Gematria symbolizes the letter Mem, which is the letter associated with death, of an end for a new beginning, broadly speaking, of a destructive war leading to a renewal. ”
Adam Kodmon will bring renewal. Very good that is what is needed> he will end this old primitive Jewish faith which created trouble for everyone for good and install a new era for the whole of mankind since the old teaching didnot bring any result anyway. All the old will perish and those who come after us will live happily forever. I am all for it
Saker, There is another angle to this case: the down of the Russian military plane could just be a response of the enemy to the brilliant agrrement between Russia and Turkey, as well as the report on the fall of the MH17 flight. Russia is winning – better, RUSSIA HAS WON – and they know it. If so, Russia must be careful to avoid further criminal attacks like the last one, and so an appropriate response should be considered.
Well, I see IDF general in charge of airforce is rushing to Moscow this morning. Can’t remeber IDF members ever showing any remorse or excuse for their crimes. Suddenly, it appears this guy had some nasty chilly for supper on Monday night that made him running all the way to see Shoygu in Moscow.
I’d like to add that Israel is one of the countries where many Russian migrate to (jewish or not). This is proven by the fact Israel is a Russophone countries outside CIS. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations
But Israel has been well know to side on antagonist side on Russian problems, e,g: war in Syria & Ukraine.
It’s unusual for Putin to be very tolerant against Israel, given how sharp Putin is most of the time
I believe there’s 2 reasons for this:
1. Israel is a nuclear power. It’s an established fact , just not very publicized
2. Russia may have a long term plan for Israel by tying Israel at the hip with Syria & Lebanon. Russia has been after stake in Leviathan gas projects, and maybe future Golan Heights oil reserve. Russian can simply lead the project and then build energy pipe through Syria and Lebanon to Turkey and Europe to ship them
If this happened as outlined, Israel would be slowly forced to play nice, and it would become foolish for Israel to bomb their neighbours given Israel’s income depends on their neighbour not shutting down the pipe.
Assad will win the war in Syria, it’s just a matter of time
you are right about the nukes – if you go to Hiroshima Ground Zero Museum – they have a map of the world with all the nukes – it shows I think 80 for Israel. My American military friends there told me it was Uncle Satan who gave them the nukes
About Sochi the Turkish press writes :
Erdogan has promised that the terrorists in Idlib will leave all heavy weapon
The political solution of the “problem” Idlib will include the active role of the Syrian government (and Turkey).
The answer of Israel &C has made abundant clear that Sochi agreement is very important .
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So, how is this to end? Let me speculate a little, NEVER! The reason for this war is the same as with any other, that is to steal your neighboring enemies resources. Yet, it can’t be oil, there’s plenty of it around, or vegetables, or slaves. But there is water. Isitrael has virtually none, and whether in or out of war, without water, your side looses. Being that Isitrael is led by Zionist eugenicists, it will continue to the bitter end.
Putin is again proving himself a grand master as an international chess player. The juvenile thrusts of his opponents are skillfully parried, as his deeper strategy proceeds unimpeded.
The Saker writes, “Also, speaking of Syria: has anybody noticed that the agreement between Turkey and Russia has removed any justification for a US attack on Syria and that the Israelis have organized their latest little bloody stunt right after this deal was announced?”
If only this were true, but it shows a lack of empathy for the imperial Zionist zeitgeist which is, after all, everything that matters. If the caravan moves on without engaging the barking dogs–and let us pray that it does–then the “solution” to Syria may not help Syria as we want, but will have to be the other larger Russian-Chinese projects, including rescuing the EU from the embrace of the Empire.
An Unending U.S. War in Syria?
Ignoring uncomfortable truths about the Syria conflict keeps getting in the way of sober policymaking.
by Paul R. Pillar
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/paul-pillar/unending-us-war-syria-31547 Those troops have been in the northeastern part of the country, hitherto focused on aiding the fight against the so-called Islamic State or ISIS. But now, according to Jeffrey, besides mopping up the remnants of ISIS’s former mini-state in eastern Syria, U.S. troops are to stay in Syria indefinitely with the objective of ejecting from the country all troops of Syria’s ally Iran. Administration officials say that a motivation for the new policy is growing doubt that Russia will be either able or willing to assist in such an ejection.
The new policy is an entirely new war aim, not an extension or corollary of the prior declared purpose of combating ISIS. In fact, Iran’s presence in Syria, aimed at supporting the Assad regime, has been on the opposite side of the Syrian civil war from ISIS, which has aimed to overthrow that regime. Hawks in the administration have been talking for some time, of course, about confronting and opposing Iran any way and anywhere they can, but Jeffrey’s statement marks an official departure from what had been a U.S. war objective in Syria exclusively focused on ISIS.
For anyone who’s interested, Martyanov’s thoughts on this can be found below. He’s on the side that this was a friendly fire incident, exploited by the Israelis, and that no IFF was engaged in the S200. It will be interesting to see if any further details emerge to clarify whether the French or Syrians downed the Russian plane. For now it seems to me that Russia has retained a position of strength by pausing and working out how best to respond.
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/09/some-fast-thoughts-on-il-20.html
En el mundo, no hay país que conozca en profundidad lo que es una conflagración bélica, como lo sabe en carne propia Rusia. Es el país que tiene la experiencia más grande e ignominiosa de lo que es sacar a un invasor de su suelo, conocida a través de la historia pasada y pasada reciente(segunda guerra mundial). Y, tuvo que derrotar a quienes se atrevieron hacer sufrir a su pueblo. Y, es por eso, que cada paso que da cuando es agredido, es prudente, mesurado, pero firme y a ello suma, paciencia. Algo parecido sucedió con Turquía, cuando a mansalva derribó un SU-24, Rusia, en vez de lanzar misiles y destruirlo, esperó y sancionó usando otras medidas. Y fue con fundamento. Pero que ahora, con un manejo geopolítico adecuado, puso a Turquía al lado en vez de tenerlo en frente. Y evitó las ambivalencias de este país y su gobierno. Ganó Rusia, pues puso a un miembro de la OTAN al lado de Siria, aunque sea con desconfianza. Pero, es preferible tener al enemigo a tu lado que al frente. Se le amputa sus deseos de aprovecharse de situaciones complejas. Ahora, Israel, tendrá que hilar fino, pues, una respuesta rusa, no será simple, sino, todo lo contrario; directa y feroz en potencia. Por ende, sus tan ruidosos desplazamientos por cielo sirio, tendrán que disminuir, ante la posibilidad de otra agresión, la que será respondida en directo y sin atenuantes por Rusia. Para Rusia, se hace muy necesario el análisis con “cabeza fría”, nada se gana con agresiones y desarrollar más tensiones. Eso, redunda en riesgos de una conflagración mayor, costos muy grandes y de muchas vidas. Es Rusia la que pone la tecnología en este conflicto Sirio, y lo viene realizando para erradicar a este mal, que es el engendro de los terroristas generados, alimentados y sostenidos por la actitud inmoral de occidente(léase, encabezado por los EE.UU.). Es en estas situaciones, a pesar del trasiego doloroso de la pérdida de vidas inocentes por la actitud irracional de Israel, que pusieron en riesgo a la tripulación de un avión. Algo, que exaspera para responder con suma dureza, pero, se necesita investigar y, actuar con suma inteligencia y responder donde mejor se puede obtener resultados favorables. Rusia, en ese aspecto, demuestra mucha, pero mucha prudencia. Una conflagración mundial, no es poca cosa, se pone en riesgo su misma nación y la humanidad entera. La respuesta que de Rusia a Israel será teniendo en cuenta lo sucedido como consecuencia de su accionar, que es muy irresponsable. Y, no toma en cuenta lo que en realidad está pasando con los movimientos terroristas. Además, al menos, se ha firmado una desescalada militar en IDLIB, con Turquía. Limitando su captura y quizás los daños colaterales de la población civil.
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Google-translate from the mod:
“In the world, there is no country that knows in depth what a war conflagration is, as Russia knows firsthand. It is the country that has the greatest and ignominious experience of what it is to get an invader out of its soil, known through past history and recent past (World War II). And, he had to defeat those who dared to make his people suffer. And, that is why, every step he takes when he is attacked, is prudent, measured, but firm and to that adds, patience. Something similar happened with Turkey, when a SU-24 was shot down, Russia, instead of launching missiles and destroying it, waited and sanctioned using other measures. And it was with foundation. But now, with proper geopolitical management, put Turkey next to it instead of having it in front. And he avoided the ambivalence of this country and its government. Russia won, because it put a NATO member next to Syria, albeit with distrust. But, it is preferable to have the enemy by your side than in front. It amputates your desire to take advantage of complex situations. Now, Israel, will have to spin fine, then, a Russian response, will not be simple, but, quite the opposite; direct and ferocious in power. Therefore, its noisy displacements by Syrian sky, will have to decrease, before the possibility of another aggression, which will be answered live and without mitigation by Russia. For Russia, the analysis with a “cold head” is very necessary, nothing is gained with aggression and developing more tensions. That, results in risks of a major conflagration, very large costs and many lives. It is Russia that puts technology in this Syrian conflict, and is doing so to eradicate this evil, which is the spawn of the terrorists generated, fed and sustained by the immoral attitude of the West (read, headed by the USA). ). It is in these situations, in spite of the painful transfer of the loss of innocent lives by the irrational attitude of Israel, that they put the crew of an airplane at risk. Something, that exasperates to respond with extreme hardness, but, it is necessary to investigate and, act with extreme intelligence and respond where better you can obtain favorable results. Russia, in that aspect, shows a lot, but a lot of prudence. A world conflagration is no small thing, its own nation and the whole of humanity are at risk. The response from Russia to Israel will be taking into account what happened as a result of his actions, which is very irresponsible. And, it does not take into account what is really happening with terrorist movements. In addition, at least, a military de-escalation has been signed at IDLIB, with Turkey. Limiting their capture and perhaps the collateral damage of the civilian population.”
Well, if that is a ‘fact’ then maybe Saker would do well to support this ASSERTION with some hard info about Russian air defense capabilities…rather than just stating a ‘fact’ with absolutely ZERO explanation to back it up…?
As it happens, today the Russian MOD today in fact imposed a NO FLY ZONE over the entire eastern Mediterranean…
https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Slide2-1.jpg?x81896
The key word of the Saker’s statement would appear to be the little three letter word “all”.
As I suggested before, revenge is a dish best served cold. And this is what Russians believe and act on.
So Putin will make sure the Russian surveillance planes – which can see everything Israel does in the air – are protected by putting fighter jets on escort duty. This is a no-brainer and virtually certain to be done.
Also, the next time Israel fires on Syria, an S-300 will be used to drop them instead of leaving it up to the Syrians and their S-200. But Russia will let Syria take the credit and say it was an S-200. Israel will know who did it, but won’t be able to prove it publicly.
I’m quite sure Israel will pay for the loss of the Russian surveillance aircraft, but it will be at Russia’s time and choosing. I’ve said before that at some point Russia will have to respond militarily to Israel’s meddling. And I’m quite sure they will now. But it will be done “sub rosa” to allow Putin to maintain diplomatic relations with Israel.
People who think Russia should abandon diplomacy with Israel because Israel “can’t be trusted” don’t understand the realities of the world. Starting a military conflict with Israel would risk war with the US who would back Israel against Russia. The whole purpose of Russia being in Syria would be undone. Why risk that over Israeli meddling when you can bring Israel to heel much more easily by covertly punishing them for it.
I saw a note on Moon Over Alabama’s blog that the attack on the Damascus airport a few days ago was targeting a freight jet carrying the Iranian version of the S-300 missile. That was in the manner of a rumor, so treat that info as completely unconfirmed. But …
I also saw an article saying the Iranians claiming that their version of the S-300 was better than the Russian version. Again, I don’t put much credit in country’s claiming their weapons are superior. After all, I’ve been told the F-35 is the greatest fighter jet in the history of mankind for at least a decade. But, it does get me thinking…..
We do know for a fact that Iran has its own missile industry. They’ve designed, tested, and produced their own missiles in recent times. So, if Russia were to give them the details and plans for a S-300, combined with a call center to call for questions and a few visits from technical experts, it seems quite logical that Iran could be producing at least decent copies of the S-300.
I remember awhile back when the whole “Putin is weak and a traitor crowd” was screaming that Putin had failed to give Assad the S-300. We of course had a full volley of the “Putin has sold out to the Israelis” comments at that time. But….
What if instead of directly shipping Russian-made S-300’s to Syria, Putin instead helped set up this deal where Iran made S-300’s and then supplied them to Syria?
I know that doesn’t suit the crowd that wants to act like gangstas, who believe that the only important thing is not to look weak. Of course, such gangstas in real life tend to have short-lives as their obsession with not appearing weak leads them to silly gunfights, but that bit of reality wouldn’t bother that crowd. The interesting thing is that if this had been done, then Putin managed to accomplish his objective, ie S-300’s to Syria, but did it in such a way that it appears that the Iranians did it.
Bibi will of course complain, but the Iranians are well practiced in telling Bibi just where he can stick his whining complaints. Putin just has a little smile while he’s talking on the phone and telling Bibi that sorry, its not Russia supplying the missiles and that perhaps Bibi should complain to the Iranians.
Thank you Saker. Putin doesn’t want a full scale confrontation. He has a good idea how it will all end. He is trying to save us from ourselves.
Paul Craig Roberts has it right once again. Every time it looks like this war is about over Putin snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. He will get more and greater provocations from the US and Israel. PCR has hit the nail on the head repeatedly.
This whole thing looks as if it has been choreographed.
We are watching unfold my concern that the acceptance of provocations results in more provocations and that the provocations escalate in their danger. What will Putin do now? If he backs down again, he can expect a yet more dangerous provocation until the only choice becomes surrender or nuclear war.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/20/putins-hesitation-has-lost-syrias-idlib-province/
This logic about provocations fails on the fact that Israel and the US are NOT rational actors. Israel and the US will provoke no matter if Russia takes a hard line stance or soft line stance. A hard line stance only helps the US/Israel because they can divide the West further and close down all communications with Russia, to Russia’s detriment. And, furthermore, they will use the “Russian threat” to call national emergencies and close down any freedoms, even elections, in the “Free” West. The moment Putin takes a hard line stance the degenerating West will go into full dictatorship mode ruled by ZioNATO.
If I was Putin, I’d task my staff with drawing up a list.
Title: Things we can do that would annoy Bibi enough to make him call me and complain.
Aid the Palestinians comes to mind as one item on such a list. I’m sure some bright people advising Putin can come up with some other items.
Then, every time Bibi called, I’d use the occasion to remind him that he caused the deaths of 15 Russians who were bravely serving their nation by using them as human shields in an illegal bombing attack.
And after each call was complete, I’d call up the military and tell them to send another shipment of anti-aircraft missiles to Syria.
The previous time the US/Israel murdered Russians in Syria (ISIS hunters), the Russians secured exclusive rights to produce oil and gas in Syria from the Syrian government a few days later. The US recently proposed to the Syrian government they would leave Syria on the condition they could exploit the oil wells they are occupying in Eastern Syria but were told where to stuff it.
It will be very interesting to see what Russia does after this blunder by Israel. An Israeli Air force general will go to Russia to explain Israel’s position to Putin. This is how Putin tames Oligarchs; if Israel is caught lying Putin will extract double the price out of Israel’s hide and Israel will be diminished in the eyes of Russia. Never before has Netanyahu et al personally been a target for Putin. My bet is Netanyahu will not enjoy the experience.
“On the heels of the latest Israeli airstrikes against targets in Syria, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah gave a televised address, primarily talking about the group’s role and future in Syria.
Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah has said the party’s powerful military wing will not be pulling out of Syria once the Russia-Turkey brokered Idlib agreement comes into effect, saying Damascus still wants their assistance.
“We will stay there (in Syria) even after the settlement in Idlib. Our presence there is linked to the need and the consent of the Syrian leadership,” Nasrallah said in an address broadcast on Lebanese media on Wednesday.
READ MORE: Satellite Operator Says Released Photos of Israeli Airstrikes in Syrian Latakia
The Hezbollah chief also insisted that “no one can force us out of Syria,” though he suggested they are reducing the size of their commitment of troops due to “the quietness of the fronts and less number of threats.”
Moreover, he said despite Israel’s best efforts to prevent Hezbollah from obtaining advanced armaments, the militia possesses “precision and non-precision rockets and weapons capabilities.”
Commenting on Israel’s airstrikes in Syria, Nasrallah said, “No matter what you do to cut the route [flow of weapons from Iran to Hezbollah via Syria], the matter is over.”https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201809201068200851-hezbollah-syria-idlib-israel/
Putin seeks to defuse Israel crisis after downing of Russian jet | AL jazeera English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZH55AOdLVQ
Blame Game: Downing of Russian plane reveals resentment over Syria – RT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuBcsVGwo4
Did Russia Impose a No Fly Zone Over Syria to Stop Israel? – Blackstone Intelligence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goQPZE53uqw
The Usual Tricks! Israeli Pilots Baited Syrian Missile By Hiding Under Wing of Russian Aircraft – Vesti News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goQPZE53uqw
Russians were not involved. As well as Syrians did not make a mistake hitting a “friendly target” as Russian objects are not identified as friendly by Syrian defence systems.That`s what Konashenkos sais, itn`t it? https://ria.ru/syria/20180920/1528999322.html
Always look for effect. Before the ‘rulers’ ever do anything, the first (and last) thing they consider is effect. Only then do they decide what to do, or not do.
The attack in question was certainly considered in this manner. What was the intended effect? Consider the relevant factors, the stage, the setting, the conditions… What happened before? What was the state at the moment of the attack? What was to have been afterwards (by whatever logic)? Who gets what (if all is successful)? What happens next?
That being said, I must say that the attack was an abject failure. (Considering what could have only been its true intent.)
The enemy lost its throw, then tried what was left of its original plan, and failed.
I must offer all of my respect to the Russian Federation, and all allies, in this round of the conflict.
To take a jab is expected. To turn a finishing blow into a glancing blow is well done.
I offer my deepest condolances to the fallen, and to their families. This is the truth.
There’s a huge difference between acting the way one might like to and the choices facing leadership of a responsible state in this situation. I fully concur with your outlook. I have my own preferences for balanced responses and besides tightening up Syrian air defences and taking off the brakes, I am fairly sure they have in place for now I think the time has come for supply of the S-300 to Syria. These shouldn’t have made the same error presumably. I’d concluded Russians were probably in the chain of command which was involved as well. I also remain sceptical a little even after the Russian military said they don’t have IFF for Russian jets on Syrian AA batteries. Namely because as you mention, they supposedly have integrated their systems there. I can’t help but wonder what the French frigate was shooting at.
Yes I did notice the timing with the bit of footwork between the Turks and Russia. That put paid to their Chemical Weapons false flag anyway. The attack was a desperate attempt to start WWIII I think in view of the sudden brick wall their up coming big attack hit in Idlib.
The zionists israehellies must be held to account, they are responsible for the death of the 14 Russian soldiers when they used the Russian plane as a shield to do their dirty work…
Well, there is another option. Considering the numbers of former Russian citizens already residing in Israel, it might not be such an onerous task for Russia to occupy and disarm Israel.
mod-to note: The pertinent question with regards to this option would be…Where do the loyalties of these Russian citizens already residing in Israel, really lay?