by Dr. Mahmoud Braham, Algeria, for The Saker Blog
Introduction
Samuel Gregg who holds a doctorate in moral philosophy and political economy from Oxford University is the Director of Research at the Acton Institute based in Michigan. In 2016, he published “For God and Profit: How Banking and Finance Can Serve the Common Good”.
Making from the pope Benedict XVI’s Regensburg Lecture[1] and some of his controversial statements on the Prophet of Islam, a pivotal thesis and a starting point to define the West and its civilization main features, Gregg’s book offers no more than a tautological review of issues like idolatry and its aberration, and many highly contested if not fragile assumptions on the Islamic faith which, beside their lack of reliable academic and empirical backgrounds, would never resist any fair and rigorous investigation.
In short, Gregg wants us to believe that Western civilization trademark is its rational quest for truth, as an outcome of a conception of God as Logos, “God of Love and Divine Truth”, conferring the faculty of reason on humans in order to apprehend the world and themselves-, taught, he said, by Hebrew philosophers inter alia Philo of Alexandria. Accordingly, notions like freedom and justice gained strong meanings not found in the same magnitude in other cultures. The merit of giving a meaning and credibility to human reason, allowing it freewill, absent in Greek-Roman irrational paganistic legacies goes to Hebrew Prophets and the Christianity, he observed.
Gregg asserts that rivalry between faith and reason is absent in the intellectual Western tradition thanks to the Jewish heritage focus on the Logos. Instead, their synthesis favored a scientific and technological revolution in the Western sphere. Whatever the veracity of this narrative, it has surely skipped crucial historical stages of scientific evolution as if the modern scientific progress popped out of the blue.
Furthermore, after noting that, at present, much of the West rejects a freedom seemingly corrupted and technically invalidated by a democratic practice that is, in its turn, constrained by a tilt towards security, Gregg took up Pope Benedict XVI’s central theme on “the pathologies of faith and reason”.
On the Western Civilization and its Roots
Gregg’s opinion that the reason and faith union had produced scientific revolution and thriving arts that made the Western civilization is rather inaccurate if not wrong. Firstly, Greek and Roman civilizations did not emerge ex nihilo. Had there been no older great eastern civilizations, they had never seen the light of the day. To Chaldean, Phoenician and Egyptian civilizations, the Greeks and the Roman owe all their subsequent developments. Thanks to a non-Western invention, the alphabet, humanity became not only able of communicating and interacting but also of conveying inter-temporally experiences and cultures. The West owes to Arab and Muslim civilization valuable scientific and philosophical contributions. Definitely, no party could exclusively appropriate for itself the universal human progress.
Secondly, Gregg’s emphasis on the vileness of paganistic worldview and the centrality of Reason is rather a needless redundancy. Evidently, paganism is an insult to the human intelligence and Reason is for all the divine religions a tool to make choice and thereby to assume responsibility. He who is reasonless is neither able to make choice, nor accountable for any, if ever there is one.
On Gregg’s Jewish Origins of Monotheism
Gregg’s assertions on Jews’ opposition to idolatry not only lack accuracy but reflect a (fainted) ignorance of their history. Indeed, paganism was not absent in the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah.[2]The Golden Calf they had created after Moses, Peace Be upon Him (PBUH) went to talk with the Lord proved how deep idolatry was rooted in their behavior and mindset. This episode is recorded in The Torah (Exodus 31-18-32-4) “the people gathered against Aaron and said to him “Come make us a god who shall go before us, for that man Moses, who brought us from the land of Egypt.” The rest of the story is well-know and needless to engage in discussion about the attempts by Aaron (PBUH) as detailed in the Qur’an, to convince them to avoid such deviation. They ignored his advice and warning and were about to kill him. He complained to Moses: “Oh son of my mother do not seize me by my beard or by my head. Indeed, I feared that you would say ‘you caused division among the children of Israel and you did not observe my will’”.[3]
It is edifying to note that Freud affirmed that“if Moses was Egyptian and gave to the Jews his own religion, the latter was Akhenaton’s religion of Aton.[4]Around 1350 BC, he introduced a religion that enshrined an exclusive cult of one new and unique God.[5] This is the opinion of reputable historians like Breasted and Weigall.[6] In fact, to Old Egypt, the invention of one of those fundamental values of great modern civilizations that is monotheism must be attributed. No sovereign had ever caused a lot of ink to flow by historians, archeologists, and moralists, than Ikhnaton.[7]He has the advantage of being, unlike the other founders of religion, a personage of history and not of cultural memory.[8]
In reality, monotheism was professed by early the famous struggle between Moses (PBUH) and the Pharaoh of Egypt or the Sixth Egyptian king who was, unlike the monotheist Egyptian people, a paganistic of Hyksos lineage. The Pyramid Texts and the Books of Dead evoke this monotheism, preached earlier by the Prophet Idriss in the Muslim tradition (the studier) called in some references Hermes.[9] Ptah, Rã, Anubis, refer to angelical powers and the word Ntr means those who belong to the Arch, archangels Gabriel and Michael etc.
In sum, of a relatively recent occurrence (around 2000 BC), the Hebraic heritage with its ethnic language could pretend neither to be the origin of monotheism nor of the language and civilization as many opinions unwarrantedly and vainly attempt to prove.
On the Diagnosis of Faith and Reason Pathologies
In Gregg’s view on the pathologies of faith and Reason, the all-like religion Marxist ideology is an outgrowth of the breakdown in the relationship between reason and faith and relativism, which posits that “at the heart of liberty, there is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe…”, will make the truth unattainable and dilute everything.
The supposed partnership between faith and reason that is being endangered by a form of mutual rejection for each other should have spurred the two to look into its causes. In fact, we read that Enlightenment caused the Reason to be supplanted by sentimentality (the loss of God’s sense of Logos). Reason is either taken lightly or exaggerated. Sentimental humanitarianism surfaced after the Reason had lost its grasp on the feelings in the West, where terminology is polished and reliable arguments are qualified as “offensive” or “controversial”. Sentimentalism cannot help settling any contention. Decisions made on the basis of verified strong feelings could but afford a shaky foundation for freedom in western or non-western societies. Already evoked by the Pope, “the dictatorship of relativism” dilutes truths by a tolerance that promotes ideas like: no one can claim the truthfulness of any philosophical or theological position. Unless the West renews with a lucid dialogue, the western civilization will be heading to chaos, Gregg said.
In reality, the abovementioned pathologies are rooted in the western civilization inner contradictions. A serious look on the Judeo-Christian heritage will show that there had never been any reconciliation between faith and reason. Rather Christianity was at one stage of its history, among the most unreasonable of faith as confirmed by a double divide. Firstly, the Reformation when Martin Luther stood up against Church[10]’s immoral and criminal practices (indulgences, simony, and the human deification). Its advanced decomposition was well depicted by Pic de la Miranda at the Lateran Council in front of Pope Leo X:
Immersed into vices and abuse the church needed to be reformed in discipline and habit. It perished by vices as well as by the error. Hell prevails through the corruption of hearts and minds since a pagan, and slur will not look for God’s church, where impurities are prevailing. The Church has ceased to exist. It was no longer the city upon the hill. When there was no longer modesty in the church, piety was turned into superstition, vice was honored, and the virtue condemned, the convents of the nuns were turned into public places of debauchery where the most enormous of sins are committed shamelessly. When priests and bishops did not know what prayers to make before the sacrifice and were Simonists. If the corruption had not been universal, one might have said that a particular church had perished and the others subsisted. But that was a leprosy which bleached the whole body, a river whose overflows flooded all the church and whose estuary was in Rome.[11]
Second, the rupture between Christian faith and Reason was further deepened by the Enlightenment and its all-powerful Reason, both built on a radical criticism of religion and monarchic despotism. “On the death of God, they claimed they have established a kingdom of man and his rights”.[12] For if God is the God of divine Reason, his revealed religions will certainly give birth to a strong Faith that is not contradicted by Reason since the latter’s unique purpose will be that of emphasizing the wonders of God’s creature and the laws that He put to govern this universe which all are signs on His Greatness. This seems not to be the case of the Christian faith. In Islam for instance, God is the Omniscient, the best Creator and science will but confirm His greatness according to the degree of its flawlessness since men’s science is by nature limited.
This rejection of faith by Reason may be explained by the untruthfulness and deficiency of the first and its inability to resist the questioning of Reason. The encounter between the Church and science (the Reason) was one of confrontation. Formerly, the church appropriated the authority to tell the Christians what was credible and what was not. Copernicus, who invented heliocentrism, refuting the Bible’s teaching that the earth is flat, escaped the inquisition simply because his De Orbium Celestium Revolutionibus was published two years after his death. His works were burned by order of the Church. In 1600 Bruno was tortured then burned alive at the stake in Rome for defending the Copernicus system. Keppler, the continuator of Copernicus’s works, was accused of heresy and subject to church’s hatred throughout his life. His aunt was also accused of sorcery and burned at Weil and his mother was imprisoned at Stuttgart in 1615.
Later, in 1630, the Church banned Galilei from teaching copernicanism summoning him to posit it as a hypothesis and in a geocentrically-friendly form. After uttering his famous “eppure si muove” [and still its moves], he was sentenced to house arrest until his death. Outraged during the inquisition, he said, “I was not obliged to believe in the same god who endowed us with senses, Reason and intellect and has intended to forgo their use”. Even Francis Bacon, he had spent the whole of his life in jail for his interest in physics and astronomy and Descartes was throughout his life a wandering and exiled scientist.[13]So it is vain to justify the church conduct as some authors try to do.[14]
As for Gregg’s idea on the Christianity of the enlightened America’s Founding fathers, the faith of many of them, including John Adams who, according to Staloff, doubted the miracles recounted in scriptures and positively denied fundamental doctrines (the eternal damnation of the reprobate and the divinity and resurrection of Jesus Christ), was so broad as to almost lack any meaningful boundaries. It was this broad and diffuse religion that underlies the American founding.[15]
Gregg’s Theological Convictions and Their Wrong Implications
Gregg said Islam requires an absolute submission to a divine Will that can order us to act unreasonably that is not bound even by his own word. Jihadism and Islamism are the result of a conception of God as pure Will and the absence of the Logos in Islamic theology. “An imposed faith is not a faith at all”, he hinted.
First of all, in the Islamic tradition, Reason and Faith -which do not have the same meaning in other civilizations-, had never been antithetical but absolutely. Their nexus implies the considering of the very conception of man himself since faith is part of the structure of human consciousness. The primary nature of human essence or fitra say the innateness (the initial state of human creature with its initial predispositions to embrace faith and which could be altered only by rearing) induces the human to worship a god and incites him to aspire towards the Transcendent. This original impulse will be deep-rooted and develop into a vivid faith through the encounter between Reason and Revelation. The fitra will meet a double Revelation. The first is the Creation itself (all the existing beings are part of the Revelation to man) which suggest by itself that beyond the created there is a Creator. No creature is autonomous and the Creation is more than the elements which form the universe, it is the entirety of signs which appeal to the conscience, to the comprehension of the created and the Creator. The universe and the man himself are all signs “ayat” (in the Holy Qur’an, aya means verse and sign) an open book full of signs. There is then a fundamental concordance between the inner impulse the man bears in his heart and the world which calls to a conscious apprehension (both intellectual and spiritual) of the first revelation.
The second revelation refers to the transmitting of the Verb (the message) by the apostles starting from Adam to Muhammad, in the Islamic tradition. The world roots the faith in the hearts and each revelation further brings it to the consciousness in the history and for the societies.[16]
To be invigorated, this embryonic spark in innermost depth of the human Self will need the Reason mediation. This spark gives a light (a way to see the world). When thought progresses towards interiority, the being observes the world and sees nothing but signs. Their mediation helps reaching and intensified faith. The Qur’an invites humans to behold the nature to awaken what it hides in the immediacy. And while being present inside him, the spark must become a light (discernment). For, faith needs Reason which observes and analyses the world in which it sees but signs. To get intensified, faith must go through the rational faculty. No truly deep-rooted faith without a working Reason.
This is why the sacred Text dialogues and challenges the intelligence. But, be it revealed, the text does not absolve the man who receives it, of the responsibility to apply his Reason to feed his faith in his daily life and practice. Reason is a compulsory step: “He has made subject to you the Night and the Day; the Sun and the Moon; and the Stars are in subjection by His command: verily in this, are signs for those who reason”.[17]
In sum, the attempt to depict Islam as a religion lacking Reason is baseless. Reason is mentioned 34 times in the Qur’an and is, contrary to what Greek-Roman legacy suggests, delinked neither from its Creator nor from the imperatives of life established by God. But Reason is not an absolute essence that could judge even its Creator. In the Islamic tradition, it is rather by Reason that God is well-known, worshipped, and thanked. By Reason He gives and by Reason He punishes. Islam is par excellence the religion of Reason since good reasoning in Islam is a duty and part of knowledge channels together with senses and Revelation but primacy goes to the latter for the sake of pushing men to believe in the unseen world. For, due to its limits, Reason alone could not apprehend all the knowledge and the truth when they are not entirely rational. Briefly, Reason without Revelation guidance led the men to worship idols, heavenly bodies and planets then humans. The Revelation came to tell them not to worship those but their Creator.
In the Islamic tradition, Reason should not cut humans from the faith which guides him nor submit the order of Reason to that of faith whose light must guide the use of Reason without interfering in the methods proper to each field of application. Leading doesn’t mean restricting the search but determining an orientation in its application. This is the supplement of sense to the temptation of the “all technical”. It is the ethical aspiration at the heart of the mastery of knowledge and know-how. In fact, faith needs Reason and the two dimensions of the Revelation (The Universe and the prophetic Text) take part to their mediation to allow the growth of these two faculties not only within the autonomy but also within the complementarity.
If some authors consider Mu’tazilites, Averroes and other Muslims scholars to be the rationalist of Islam, they purposefully reduce their fields of reflection. This is a reading of the extent of a philosophy or a position of a school of thought in the light of dynamics and stakes of another civilization, Western in this case. The fact that those scholars gave a primary place to the Revelation and to the law founded upon the scriptural sources (fiqh) while being clearly rationalist (with regard to the criteria of the European history of mentalities), must be apprehended in the light of the articulation of religious sciences, philosophy and internal logic of the Muslim thought and its evolution. Disregarding this would lead to an ideological reading of their contribution and to presenting them as “modern thinkers”, the “Descartes of Islam”, which is scientifically baseless. This rip-off of those authors aims at legitimizing historically and islamically “an intellectual tradition qualified by modern because in line with references and concepts known as belonging to the Western thought. It is a mere western reading of the history of Islamic thought.
Philosophical discourses of Averroes and others are not analyzed within the internal logic of the Muslim civilization but through the prism of the debates which took place in the Catholic tradition. This conceals their contribution to the Muslim orthodoxy as theologians and jurists (like Al-Ghazali) in matter of understanding legislation and the relation Revelation-Reason. Methodologically speaking, the works of western scholars (from Descartes, to Lock and Rousseau) are derived from Muslim schools and their ways of extrapolation (investigation), observation and experiment.[18]
To the strange and dubious statements that God in Islam “is not bound even by His own word” and “is not just”, one could but confront them with the following verses: “It is the promise of Allah. Allah does not fail in his promise, but most of the people do not know”,[19] “Whoever works righteousness, benefits his own soul; whoever works evil, it is against his soul: Nor is thy Lord ever Unjust (in the least) to his servants”[20], and “Who receiveth gaudiness, receiveth it for his own benefit; Who goeth astray, Doth so to his own loss; No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit (with our Wrath) Until We had sent an apostle (to give warning).[21]
As far as those hasty conclusions on Islam are concerned, especially on the Logos and djihadism, perhaps as a theologian, Gregg could be excused because he knows little if anything about geopolitics. Terrorism is a relative and highly politicized issue. Tackling it, requires a deep and updated knowledge about such topics like geopolitics, empires and human and imperial greed. We are not living in a realm of innocent monks (even if many of them proved sinful) but in a world of geopolitics governed by ruthless Western norms and paradigms laid-down by people like Thucydides : “the strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must” or Machiavelli’s : “the end justifies the means”. In this jungle morals, if of any guide, are not only fought but loathed by greedy politics. In the Western logic, we invade people, kill millions of humans, when they resist, their resistance become insurgency and terrorism while multifaceted Western terrorism (military, financial and economic) is forgotten. It is aggravated and fueled by a double standard and western-centrism. The Jihadism which the West fights now is the same Jihadism which was not only appreciated but financially and technically supported by the West when it served its objectives in fighting communism. But for the concept of jihad in the Islamic tradition (literally effort), it is nothing but the resistance against the human ignoble characters or any foreign aggressor.
For the rest, Gregg is right about Reason and Faith sickness. With trans-humanism, techno-humanism and the artificial intelligence by-products, human beings will be alienated from their humanity. The latter is, due to negative outcomes of Western civilization and its savage capitalism (extensive natural resource exploitation, unbridled economic growth and excessive industrialization), heading towards uncertainty.
But if Gregg is also right that scientific analysis should never supplant religious faith, it is likely that the origins of this dissonance reside in the innumerable aberrations and enormities of the so-called Judeo-Christian spiritual legacy, sustained as sacred despite being strange to the real religion of God. In fact, the Church whose sacred texts are full with irrational assumptions and countless contradictions and whose leaders conduct was tarnished by many oddities, to say the least, had but a poor historical record. Consequently, the intellectual history of the West through the prism of the link between Reason and Faith lacks objectivity and is far from being credible.
The Logos per se
Theology does not refer to the same thing in the Islamic and Christian traditions and the discourse of each one on God, is not founded in the same way. In Islam, we say about God but what He says about himself. He never gives definitions on His being but He says to the Spark buried in our heart what He says to our Reason since He guides the latter to better understand of what He is. The Creator is known by his attributes, His self could not be known. Any attempt in this direction will be but an endless wandering: Reason has its limits and truths are sometimes beyond its grasp. In the Qur’an we read about Him: “To Him is due the primal origin of the havens and the earth: when He decreeth a matter, He saith to it “Be” and “It is”.[22]
The concept of the Logos was borrowed from the Greek philosophy by the early authors of the New Testament Gospel John to help make Jesus (PBUH) understood in the Hellenistic world.[23] : In the beginning was the Word (Logos), and the Word was with God and the Word was God. All things were made through him, and without him nothing was made that was made. (John I: 3)
In fact, this Greek version of Gospel was not unfamiliar with the Greek Philosophy for which the word Logos was not unknown for more than 500 years BC. This concept became a nexus of common ground between Jewish-Christian and Greek Hellenistic thought in the 1st century AD. The Greeks, Philo and John used it as a reference to God himself and none of them would have conceived that the Bible would be called the Word of God. For the latter, the Logos referred to the Creator of the universe himself, and not to the pages of their books which merely talk about the Creator. But today, the Logos is used commonly to designate the Bible itself, while being a book written by men, with all its misconceptions and cultural prejudices, is elevated to a god itself, rather than just one culture’s attempt to understand the world and inspire man to have a relationship with God. [24]
Instead of extrapolating about Greek word of Logos, which entered the human-written biblical text, the idea of God as the Creator of the Universe whose power has no limit is quite satisfactory. For a wisdom He only knows, He created Angels, each with a mission, and like Humans they are created for the purpose of worshipping Him and living according to his guidelines. Among His attributes there is The Just, who endowed men with Reason which entails freewill and responsibility. Without the letter, impunity is possible for tyrants and perpetrators of genocide. The Logos is a human vision about God and how He acts, it is not a holy truth and the Almighty can act the way it pleases Him.
Human freedom is limited in his choice to believe or not, to do the Good or the Evil and here it ends. He cannot choose the color of his eyes neither the manner his body is shaped nor he could rebel against the divine laws that governs the universe. He turns with earth and cannot order his heart to stop beating. In Islamic faith, human weakness and dysfunction must not be attributed to God and both science and nature cannot say louder than the authentic Holy Scriptures. If Reason ruled over faith, it would lead human astray.
On Pope’s Judgment on the Prophet of Islam
As to the Pope’s quoting Pelagius II: “Show me just what Mohamed had brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman…”, this trash-talking might have been a closed matter especially after the Pope’s apology to the Muslims. Now that Gregg stirred up this relatively old leaven, his wrong extrapolations to justify it need to be debated. In fact, the style of this quotation is of the type of negative assertion. A way to affirm a negative judgment by interrogation that is to confer on a given statement some sort of evidence to be taken as granted. Far from any objectivity, this is a superficial, hasty and tendentious way to depict the conduct of the prophet of Islam. Worse, the passage suggests that violence is rooted in the Islamic theology. Before, these trash-talks on the part of the most emblematic figure of Christianity, a brief rejoinder and a clarification on the conduct of his own predecessors pontiffs become necessary unless Gregg expects only listening and acquiescing.
Firstly, Muhammad had liberated men from idolatry to the true faith of monotheism, from tribal strives to the brotherhood in faith, and from the worshiping of men to that of the Creator of men. He suppressed oppression by suppressing old oppressive empires and tyrannies (Persia and Byzantium) while displaying unprecedented toleration towards non-Muslims and allowed peace and freedom in favor of oppressed peoples including the Christians themselves he freed from the yoke of their fellow co-religionist. Weak peoples (Al-Moustadafin fi-al-arth) had been supported and protected by Islam as once affirmed by Michael the Great, the patriarch Antioch who saw Muslims as saviors:
He “God of avenges the sole Almighty who changes the empires of men as He will, gives them to whom he will, beholding the wickedness of the Romans (i.e., the Christian emperors at Byzantium)- who throughout their dominions cruelly plundered our churches and our monasteries and mercilessly condemned us- brought us from the southern regions the sons of Ishmael (Moslems) to deliver us from the hands of the Romans”.[25]
Undeniably, Muhammad was the first man who put into practice his belief of peace and toleration. Under Islam, large swathes of Christians and Jews enjoyed protection in times where they were being not only oppressed and excommunicated as heretic, but massacred by their owns Christian co-religionists. In this field of toleration, Mohamed is second to none.
But what the Pope predecessors had brought? Here is a bloody page extracted of the infamous record of the Crusades. After the destruction of the totality of the inhabitants of Jerusalem; Mohammedans, Jews or schismatic Christians (about 60000 persons) an operation that lasted eight days in spite of the zeal brought by the pious knights, where women, children, old men, nothing escaped. To recover from fatigues occasioned by this massacre of a whole population, the Crusaders engaged in the most disgusting orgies. The Christian chroniclers themselves were outraged at the conduct of the defenders of the faith: Bernard the Treasurer treats them of fools. Baudri, archbishop of Dol, compared them to mares that wallow in the garbage “computruerant illi, tanquam jumenta in stercoribus”.[26]
Crusades were financed by robbing fellow Christians, first in Hungary and Greece, and then Jews who did not escape murder and torture and finally the booty of Muslims and the ransom of those who had the misfortune to dwell in the path of the Soldiers of the Christ. Many of the latter accumulate huge amounts of gold and silver as did Stephen of Blois whose quantities exceeded what he had before he left France for the sacred campaign.[27] Mass killing, climax of cruelty and even cannibalism are the sins the teachings of Popes had brought to humanity. In the modern times, the West’s responsibility is obvious in the endless wars that drenched the world in blood. The toll is imaginable: Millions of people were killed by guns, mass destruction weapons and orchestrated famines. Thus, Mohamed cannot not be blamed for these tragedies since neither Napoleon, nor Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini and Leopold II were Muslim. One should remind.
On the historical misdeeds of the Guardians of the Christian faith, one had to refer to the most learned and devout catholic theologian, John of Salisbury: Pope John XXII, a son of a cobbler, left at his death a personal property of 18,000,000 ducats and 17,000,000 ducats worth in valuable jewels, vases etc.[28] John XIII who was notorious for his debauchery, lies, and deceit was regarded as “the foe of every virtue, the sink of every iniquity, a scandal of scandals, and incarnate devil”; the incestuous Alexander VI exceeded all who had gone before him in infamy and his name still remains a very epitome of every iniquity that can degrade human nature.[29]
Outraged at Alexander VI’s crimes, wickedness and enormities, at Jules II unbridled ambition, at Leo X’s banditry and at the horrendous scandals which stained the chair called of Apostles (cathedra), at the auction of indulgences, at abusive taxes, shameful superstitions, brazen knaveries, and at the vermin of cloisters, the 16th century Europe shacked off this horrible and ridiculous yoke, heavily laid on the head of the degraded nations for too long.[30]
The Dangers of Relativism
On the dangers of relativism, Gregg is right. Which value to accord to a self-contradicting doctrine? If everything is relative, relativism itself will be relative! Thus, it will be, either absolute, confirming the existence of absolute principles or relative and then unable to deny the existence of any absolute concept. Surprisingly, it is the preponderant western culture that enthusiastically promotes cultural relativism (values and ideals change according to environment, cultures and societies) while insisting, as did Fukuyama on an absolute western culture. It is being imposed by globalization on the non-western cultures deemed immature and unable to attain absolute ideals and authentic values. Democracy, he said, will be the final form of governance (the absolute phase) sought by humanity. Worse yet, relativism is plagued by a western double standard as for the supposed absolute concept of freedom of expression: the West defends it fiercely when its media machine attack other nations faith (Islam) and observe a quasi-dogmatic stance against any call for any impartial investigation to probe issues like (the holocaust, 9/11 terrorist attacks).
In reality, ascribing Einstein’s theory to relativism, is a pure denigrating charlatanism that is best refuted by the title of Einstein works: Invariance theory which recognizes the invariance of light’s speed and the validity of physics laws regardless changing time and place and despite their interaction.
In sum, if any good moral view is worth any other ones, thinking about all moral issues becomes useless. Any drawn conclusion will not be better than the initial one. An undue validity of relativism will deny any absolute truth. Humanity will be heading towards nihilism and despise of all what can help human civilization to go forward.[31] However, fear from absolutism is not an error and relativism is sometimes necessary to open-mindedness. This is its only virtue. It is a moral crisis where judging evil as evil has been overtaken by a new psychology of moral equivocation. It is imperative, thus to establish a foundation for validating knowledge. Hirsh noted, “Without a proper theory of correct interpretation, we cannot avoid subjectivism and relativism”. In social field, relativism will entail but chaos and incapacity in terms of judging relating to responsibilities, rights and duties.
Nevertheless, is it not the Church itself, which promoted relativism especially when dealing with its cumbersome past? On judging this past, John Paul II had emphasized, “The cultural conditioning of the times and other historical factors had to be taken into account. This is, in itself an invitation to a kind of relativism, which in this case tends to minimize committed sins.[32]
Conclusion
If in all the revealed religions the all-pervading divine intelligence permeates the universe, and all share a belief in a Supreme Being who created the universe, God is not the property of once particular ethnic group, philosophy or faith.[33] In addition, if the Bible is not the inerrant infallible ‘word of God’, it will be but one among many cultural attempts at understanding God.[34]
Incidentally, the best message deriving from the Islamic tradition concerning Christianity is what the Qur’an teaches: “And thou shalt assuredly find who saith ‘We are Christians’ to be the nearest of them in love to the believers [Muslims]. That is because amongst them are savants and because they are not arrogant”.[35] Men with their emotions, illusions and limited knowledge pervert things and distort their nature. Christianity began as the Holy Qur’an affirms, as an easy pure and natural monotheist faith to be later perverted by the complexities of oriental philosophies and pagan mythical humanism. As much as this was made as a defensive theology, it had introduced strange things in this religion metamorphosing it into something different from what Jesus (PBUH) has preached.
In general, Gregg’s approach on the issues considered is rather simplistic. For example, he had to dig deep in original and first hand works and references on Islamic philosophy and theology for the sake of a serious and credible study on Islam with relation to the West and its civilization.
“Reason, Faith, and the Struggle for Western Civilization”. Gateway Editions 2019
Mahmoud Braham Dr. in Defense economics,
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- – Benedict XVI, “Lecture of the Holy Father: Reason, faith and the University-Memories and Reflections”, Regensburg, September 12, 2006. Vatican VA. ↑
- – Cf. Haim Ben-Asher (2010). The Zionist Illusion. Leicester: Matador Publishing, p., 195. ↑
- – Qur’an, XX: 94. ↑
- – Sigmund Freud (1939). Der Mann Moses und die Monotheistisch Religion: Drei Abhandlungen. Amsterdam: Verlag Albert de Lange. ↑
- – Erik Hornung (1995). Echnaton, die Religion des Lichts. Zurich: Artemis. ↑
- – James Henry Breasted (1972). Development of Religion and Thought in Ancient Egypt. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, p., 312; Arthur Weigall (1910). The Life and Time of Akhanton, Pharaoh of Egypt. London: William Blackwood and Sons. ↑
- – Dimitri Laboury (2001). L’Egypte pharaonique. Paris : Editions Cavalier Bleu., p., 73. ↑
- – See for example: Jan Assmann (2009). Moses the Egyptian: The Memory of Egypt in Western Monotheism. London: Harvard University Press., p., 2. ↑
- – Phyllis G. Jestice (2004). Holy People of the World: A Cross-Cultural Encyclopedia. California: ABC Clio, p., 388. ↑
- – By Church we mean the Papacy whose historical responsibility in the Crusades was well-established and whose conduct led to the Reformation. ↑
- – Jacques Basnage (1690). Histoire de la religion des églises réformées. Rotterdam : Acher., pp., 377-8. ↑
- – Edouard Valdman (2003). Dieu n’est pas mort : le malentendu des Lumières. Paris : L’Harmattan, p., 9. ↑
- – Louis Guillaume Figuier (1869). Vie des Savant illustres. Paris: A. Lacroix. ↑
- – See for example: Benjamin Wiker (2001). The Catholic Church & Science: Answering the Questions, Exposing the Myths. North Carolina: Tan Books. ↑
- – Daniel L. Dreisbach, Mark David Hall (2014). Faith and the Founders of the American Republic. New York: Oxford University Press., p., 29. ↑
- -See for example: Tariq Ramadan, Paul Valadier, Oliver Abel and Michel Morineau, “Foi et Raison”, AutresTemps, 2000, pp., 61-79. ↑
- – Qur’an, XVI: 12 ↑
- – Robert Loqueneux (2016). L’électricité au siècle des Lumières : Nollet, Franklin & les autres. Paris: L’Harmattan, p., 19. ↑
- – Qur’an, XXX: 6. ↑
- – Qur’an,XXXXI: 46. ↑
- – Qur’an, XV: 15. ↑
- – Qur’an, II: 117. ↑
- – Daniel Joseph Malane (2007). The Bible: ”Word of God” or Words of Men? Truth Versus the Myths of Christian Fundamentalism. Xlibris Corporation, p., 16. ↑
- – Malane, ibid, p., 17. ↑
- – For more details on the Muslim justice and fairness in the same reference: Michel Le Syrien (1901). Chroniques de Michel Le Syrien, Patriarche Jacobite d’Antioche (traduction de Chabot. Paris : Ernest le Roux . This English translation of the French translation from the Armenian original text, Tome II, Livre IX, § II, pp., 412-413. ↑
- – Marius Fontane (1838). Histoire universelle…. Les Croisades (de 1096 à 1327 ap. J.-C.). Paris : A. Lemerre., p., 199 ; Baldrici Archiepiscopi Dolensis (1854). Hierosolymitanae Historiae, Libri Quatuor. Paris : Garnier et Migne, pp., 1071-72. ↑
- – Kenneth M. Setton (1989). A History of the Crusades: The Impact of the Crusades on Europe. London: The University of Wisconsin Press, pp., 117-8. ↑
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- – For more details on this issue: Richard Haggard (1995). The Tyranny of Relativism: Culture and Politics in Contemporary English Society. London: Transaction Publishers, pp., 187. ↑
- – John Paul II, (1999). An Invitation to Joy. New York: Simon & Schuster, p., 115. ↑
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The writings of Samuel Gregg is a clear example of Jewish self glorification as discussed by Joyce at Unz
Simply, Jews are a miracle.
http://www.unz.com/article/do-jews-think-differently-aspects-of-jewish-self-glorification/
This is how the Jews see themselves.
https://acton.org/pub/commentary/2019/08/14/miracle-jews
While I appreciate his polite criticisism, Dr. Brharam seems to be unaware of the self-glorifying fervor of the Jews.
/samuel-greggs-reason-faith-and-the-struggle-for-western-civilization-a-critique/
EEn kriktiek van een Algerijn Dr op Samuel Gregg (self-glorifying Jew)
Volgens Gregg
Dit komt van: https://acton.org/pub/commentary/2019/08/14/miracle-jews
Dit nav het stuk bij Saker:
/samuel-greggs-reason-faith-and-the-struggle-for-western-civilization-a-critique/
Gregg is puur self-glorifying bagger. Publiceert augustus 2019.
Volgens mij hebben ze een probleem,die Joden.
Mvg,
Leo
Wonderful, is it not, how Gregg (in the Acton drivel) speaks of Jews being prepared to die for their violent opposition to, other people’s, idolatry, but he forgets to mention the Jews’ enthusiasm for killing those whose ‘idolatry’ they hated. ‘Down to the last suckling babe’, if I remember the Torah recipes for Holy Genocide correctly. Odd, that.
There was no Exodus from Egypt. There is absolutely no archeological evidence of the Jews ever having been in Egypt at that time.
Geologists confirm that the land of Palestine was barren at that time. It had been abandoned by the Egyptians as archeological remains confirm.
However, Yemen had a thriving agriculture – and that is where the Jews were. The wanderings of the Jews through Sinai never took place. However, the place names and topography of western Saudi Arabia (Hijaz) do confirm that is the real location.
The Babylonians took the Arabs (including the Jews) to Babylon as a punishment for raiding the camel trains between Yemen and Petra. Later, these Arabs (including the Jewish tribes) were released by the Persians. Some returned to Yemen and some went to Palestine.
It is important to base articles like this on reality and not on the propaganda and lies of the Torah. It is not a history book.
Certain Jewish human beings are well aware of the facts that you outline. That is why they include the Arabian Peninsula in their delineation of the extent of ‘Eretz Yisrael’. Still, I’m sure the Wahhabists will find it easy and amenable to convert back to Judaism. Perhaps we all should and combat the poison by dilution.
If no-one else, at least the Qur-ân endorses the biblical story of the Exodus, e.g.:
2:51: “And remember the time when We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh’s people, while you looked on.”
20:79: “Then Pharaoh pursued them with his hosts, and there overwhelmed them of the waters of the sea that which overwhelmed them.”
7:104: “Then, after them, We sent Moses with Our Signs to Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they unjustly rejected them. Behold, then, what was the end of those who created disorder!”
8:55: “Their case is like the case of the people of Pharaoh and those before them: they rejected the Signs of their Lord, so We destroyed them for their sins. And We drowned the people of Pharaoh, for they were all wrongdoers.”
One also should not forget the overall claim of the Qur-ân in this context:
2:3-5: “This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous, who believe in the unseen and observe Prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come.”
And, in order to protect above claim of being a perfect book, the Qur-â categorically states: “And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then produce a Chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful. But if you do it not — and never shall you do it — then guard against the Fire.” (2:24-25)
In light of the above (and history bears witness that this qur-ânic challenge was never met) it might very well be argued that one should first consult the Qur-ân and afterwards any man-made claim like “There was no Exodus from Egypt. There is absolutely no archeological evidence of the Jews ever having been in Egypt at that time.” …
Sounds like some crypto jews had a hand in corrupting the Koran as they did the Bible…………just sayin’
Mind you, I take noting at face value, a book written by humans based on space waves into the brain of humans to then write that which ‘God’ has spoken……….
Islam is a derivative of Judaism. An offshoot of Judaism. In view of this, it is hardly surprising that the holy book of the Muslims, al Qur-ân al Kareem, should repeat the same fables. The prophet Muhammad forced Jewish tribes to convert to Islam. That was no so difficult since they had the same foundation.
These religious books are not history books. God did not create the earth a few thousand years ago. There was no Adam and no Eve. The story of the Flood and Noah long predates the Torah. Many other fables were taken from ancient peoples. The Jews adapted them for their own purposes and later claimed to be the originators. That is laughable.
As the article explains, monotheism was possibly an Egyptian idea. However, it did not survive for long in Egypt.
There are a number of other customs that seem to date from that Ancient Egyptian period. For example, the normal period of mourning is 40 days in many societies. That was the number of days that it took for the corpse to dry out and become a mummy.
“After the body was washed with wine, it was stuffed with bags of natron. The dehydration process took 40 days”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_funerary_practices
@Alfred (Cairns)
According to the Russians, the Hierophants (the highest priesthood) parted themselves from Egypt around 20. Dynasty and used the Jews (which had for long been a large minority) further on, becoming invisible. The system of ruling they used was based on a two tier parallel structure 2 x (1 + 10) who worked in parallel to solve problems of ruling.
By planting themselves into another culture which they transformed into a vehicle of subversive conquering of the world.
One finds their symbols everywhere all around the Empire – the pyramid, the all seeing eye AND the two towers.
There is a truly fantastic story based on a real occurence of very strange articles which emerged in several russian newspapers during the early 90s which had been put into book form:
Link: https://dotu.ru/2005/05/14/20050514-the_last_gambit/
It’s a translation (with lots of errors) from russian (for native english readers)
The findings from these events have resulted in a new paradigm for ruling in Russia, it is changing the world !
To see what lies behind the fine sounding generalities from Samuel Gregg and the Acton Institute, it is useful to pin down some specifics. Here is one of this U$ “think tank” publications:
JANUARY 9, 2017
Letter from Rome: Rising threats to European liberty
Dear friends of Istituto Acton, It’s not good manners to begin the year with dire predictions, but with continuing __Islamic terrorist attacks__, increasing concern over __Russian aggression__ ….
I stopped right there, because the falsehood is so blatant. The Bush regime fabricated the bogey of “lslamic terrorism” and “Clash ofCivilizations” to cover up their 911 atrocity, and the Obama regime fabricated “Russian aggression” to cover up NATZO’s failure to annex Crimea during their Maidan atrocity.
Ratzinger’s alternative to the ‘dictatorship of relativism’ is of course a ‘dictatorship of absolutism’, absolutism demonstrated in his and Wojtyla’s sterling efforts to protect priestly paedophiles, in their homophobia, in their misogyny and in their Rightwing political ideology, the real reason that they are heroes to US reactionaries who hate Francis so much that they are working feverishly to overthrow him. And I rather thought that historical studies had disproved the stories of Israelite residence in Egypt and shown them to be inventions of later times.
Mulga: Stop, will you? Who else could have designed the pyramids in Egypt but the chosen people?
My bad-it’s that old intractable ‘antisemitism’ I guess. I keep thinking that Jewish human beings are just, well, human beings like the rest of us, and forget that they are, as Menachem Begin insisted, ‘Gods Upon the Earth’.
In 1960, I spent a few months at a Catholic school in Northern Ireland. I was a kid of 10. The lady teacher told us kids that Jewish slaves built the pyramids. I tried to correct her and she ignored my protests. :)
I saw so many criticism towards Christianity by a Muslim author in this article, it makes me wonder if Saker is really a Christian to allow such nonsense on his website
First, the author discusses WESTERN Christianity, which has left the fold of true Christianity 1000 years ago.
Second, I allow a diversity of opinions on this blog.
Third, yes, you are right: I am a crypto-Muslim. Bravo! You caught me.
The Saker
Leo, the author is only criticizing the sins which Christians have committed in the name of Christ. He is quite right to mention some of the terrible things which bad Popes and other false Christians have done. Please to bear in mind that the great epic poet of Western Christian Civilization — Dante — consigned several Christian dignitaries to Inferno for their sins.
I believe that British Lord Acton was a good man; the U$ Acton Institute use his good name as a front. But behind their nice sounding generalities about Freedom and Protection of Private Property there lurks the sins of Absolute Freedom to do Evil, and Absolute Power to exercise Greed: as represented by those Popes which the author quite rightly names. And in modern times, Mulga names two popes who have steered the Roman Church toward Authoritarianism and Absolutism.
“Power corrupts, and Absolute Power corrupts absolutely”. — Lord Acton
“First, the author discusses Western Christianity, which has left the fold of true Christianity 1000 years ago.”
This is indeed the case to a very great extent, but not entirely, as there have been and are, other true Christian, non-sectarian based movements and individuals in the west who profess Christian faith.
Who turned Hagia Sophia into a Mosque? Who raped, conquered and slaved all nations who profess Eastern Christianity? I am sure not the Western Christian nor the Jews did (even though I agree they are not saints too)
Indeed. There were the actions of the Ottoman Empire. Which is to Islam roughly what the Papacy would be to the (formerly) Christian world.
Here is something I want to share with you: when I was finishing my studies in Strategic Studies I had a few electives left. I took a course on Sharia Law and I wrote a term paper comparing the status of Orthodox Christians under Islamic Law and under Papist occupation. I found that the status of Orthodox Christians largely depending on the specific Muslim ruler/regime they were living under. Still, as a rule, Orthodox Christians had what I would call “guaranteed 2nd rate status” meaning that they often had less rights than Muslims, but these right were guaranteed. In sharp contrast, the Papacy always wanted to completely wipe out Orthodoxy as a phenomenon of history.
The historical record is a checkered one between the Orthodox Church and Islam: some good, some bad, some absolutely awful, some other pretty peaceful. But for anybody who knows anything about history, the Papacy is always meant only one thing for the Orthodox: forced conversion and genocide.
What the “West” represented for Islam is pretty clear too: centuries of warfare interspersed with moments in which the “united West” (i.e Papists + Reformed + Jews + Masons) united WITH Islam against Orthodoxy (say, like in the Crimean war or in the 1990s).
Read Amin Maaloof’s book on the Crusades: https://www.amazon.com/Crusades-Through-Arab-Eyes-Essentials/dp/0805208984
Maybe you will understand the Muslims you so clearly despise better.
The Saker
too complicated, buster.
Belief is one thing and action is quite another. If this is applied not to individuals but to entire societies – though united by an inicial ‘faith’ – and throughout a given long span in time… it gets far more disputable.
Buddha sat under the bodhi tree
motionless, witnessing
no body to be found
no thoughts to be found
no ego to be found
even no self, no soul to be found
no gods nowhere
only the soundless sound of silence
un-struck, un-created, source-less.
Far from being a ‘critique’ of Gregg’s book, this is a pretext to rehash the usual tropes and mannerisms of Muslims ‘criticism’ of Christianity, the intellectual ‘jihad’ against the Church of Christ.
Pope’s Benedict XVI words in his ‘Regensburg address’ which ‘angered’ the whole Muslim world to such extent that they started bombing churches and threatening to “destroy their cross in the heart of Rome… and to hit the Vatican”, were a quotation from the “Dialogues with a Persian’ of the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos, one in a long series of Orthodox-Muslims debates about the tenets of their religion, in principal the divinity of Jesus Christ,Trinity and prophethood of Mahomed. The result of the Dialog was the conversion of the Persian (not mentioned, obviously).
While repeating the accusation that the Christians do not know ‘first hand works and references on Islamic philosophy and theology’, the author displays a profound ignorance of the ‘first hand works and references on Christian philosophy and theology’ and history (of science in the first place).
E.g.
He calls the Emperor Manuel Pelagius II!
He talks with assurance about the discourse of ‘Pic de la Miranda at the Lateran Council in front of Pope Leo X’ and draws momentous conclusions from it.
Of course he wanted to talk about the famous ‘platonician’ philosopher Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-1494) the author of the (misinterpreted) ‘Oration on the Dignity of Man (De hominis dignitate)’, composed in 1486 along with ‘900 theses’ which sought to demonstrate in a public debate that the Christ is the ‘secret tradition of all sages’, hoping to finally convert the Jews! The debate never took place, the Pope Innocent VIII banning it.
Pope Leon X, was the son of Lorenzo the Magnificent and became Pope in 1513. The Lateran council under Pope Leon X where Pic was supposed to have bashed the corruption of the Church, was the “Fifth Council of the Lateran”, held between 1512 and 1517, just 13 years after Pico’s death.
Can one keep a straight face when confronted with such a statement: “Francis Bacon (1561-1626), had spent the whole of his life in jail for his interest in physics and astronomy”? He wanted certainly to speak about Roger Bacon (1220-1294) because according to Muslim mythology of science he was the ‘earliest European advocate of the modern scientific method’, supposedly invented by the Arabs. He was imprisoned for some time, but not ‘the whole of his life’ and not for “any scientific novelties which he may have proposed”.
Or “Copernicus, who “invented’ heliocentrism, refuting the Bible’s teaching that the earth is flat”?
The ‘whole Moslem world..’started bombing churches’ did it? Nothing like collective guilt, is there? We could hang a lot of Evil from ‘Christian necks’ with that approach, couldn’t we? The Crusades, the extermination of the Indigenous in the New Worlds, WW1 and WW2, the Thirty Years War, the Inquisition, Auschwitz, the Einsatzgruppen, the destruction of Yugoslavia – need one go on. When the basis of ‘religious faith’ is simply xenophobic and racist hatred, well, ‘Jesus wept’.
Are you Muslim? They cannot lift their minds above the ‘Crusaders’. It seems that you applaud the terrorist acts happened in your country, for what reason?
Are you Muslim? They cannot lift their minds above the ‘Crusaders’
That is because the Crusades never stopped, they just changed their label, like the various al-Qaeda franchises do today to qualify as “good terrorists”.
Replace “Crusaders” with “European imperialism” and you will see what the people that you so clearly despite dare think on issues you rather ignore.
Please don’t mistake your parochial ignorance for a lack of “mental altitude” in others!
The Saker
Neither did jihad, did it?
Anon, I condemn ALL acts of terror, wanton destruction, murder and cruelty. It’s just that I recognise that acts of terror inflicted on Moslems by Westerners, Jews and Christians and secularists, outweigh acts of terror inflicted by Moslems on the West, by two or three orders of magnitude.
Much too much (and much less!) is made of the determining influence of Averroes ‘The grandfather of the European Enlightenment’ on the birth of ‘modern science’. Averroes was condemned as a heretic, his books burned and himself exiled by his own coreligionists. He practically disappeared from the intellectual landscape of Islam.
At the same time whatever influence he had on some Scholastics (the ‘Averroists’, or ‘radical Aristotelians’) who found in his philosophy a weapon against the Church, has been denounced by Thomas Aquinas (that some people deem almost as a ‘plagiarizer’ of Averroes) who criticized his intellectual errors, and formally condemned by the Church.
The more things change, the more they remain the same. Long ago the western ‘church’ entered schism against the eastern Church. The thinking and teachings of east and west are quite different. With the rise of Islam and the Turks threatening Constantinople, Rome saw it’s chance to dominate and eradicate the Church of the east at the robber council of Florence. They almost succeeded except for one man, Mark of Ephesus who stood against this. The eastern Church survived but Constantinople was lost. For the faithful, they preferred the Turkish tuban to the Latin Miter in the streets of Constantinople. It appears to me that this poison remains and now, again, at this hour mischief is fostered against the Orthodox Church by the inhabitant of Istanbul, no doubt in cooperation and insistence from Rome and western intelligence. I’m glad that in my choice, I chose the Eastern Orthodox Church as the One, Catholic and Apostolic Church instead of the viper that emanates from Rome. I would prefer persecution with the possibility of death than submission to the cunning and evil and plan for world domination that is consuming the west. That persecution is coming.
You know whether the planet revolves around the sun or the sun around it is so totally and completely irrelevant to faith and religion it really is! If Christ wanted us to know about the how and why of such things he would have educated. He however, knew what we now know that nothing, absouloutly nothing will ever disprove the existence of God nothing. In fact the more we learn the more it becomes glaringly apparent just how little we really know! The Church should have just left Galileo alone and continued on the course set out by Christ. The saving of peoples lives through evangelizing the truth of the gospel period! Christ did not die for knowledge and education of how the world works! He died to pay a penalty due us and that is really the only thing important ! It is why St. Paul said:
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2
Can you imagine St. Paul showing up somewhere and getting into an argument about astrological matters? If asked about the movement of the planets St. Paul would have just said listen do you know about Christ Jesus and what took place in Jerusalem? His life was consumed with Christ and knowing Him. That was what life was all about for him and he desperately desired all who heard him the same. Jesus was someone to be experienced not argued over.
I am well remembered of something I heard in church one morning. The speaker said ‘if all of the apostles were to return to earth today and walk into our churches they would have said to one another this is not what we laid down our lives for!
Somewhere however, ooopps its science that became more important and the basis for ones faith. Get off your rocker and get back to basics the cross and the resurrection period! Leave science for the fools like J. Robert Oppenheimer who paid the price for delving into the forbidden and wishing in the end he had never gone there!
As if science is going to solve all our problems. They canèt even get climate change correct lol and Oxford of all places is surely the most guilty! I bet my life at one time they knew the truth about climate change and buried in favor of the Darwinian scrap! John Wesley was a son of hers and a great hero but they betrayed him. Oxford traitors really!
And here a history lesson since so few want anything to do with Western Christianity:
“During the summer of 1853 Oberlin was struck with a severe drought. The hay fields were dried up so there was no feed for the cattle. The cattle soon must die and the harvest fail unless rain comes. Crops had withered, wells dried up, and the parched earth became powdery.
On Sunday morning the church was filled. Not a cloud was in sight and no one expected a drop of water to fall from the skies that day. The situation was desperate. Finney arose from his chair walked to the pulpit and lifted his voice in prayer.
“O Lord! Send us rain. We pray for rain. Our harvests perish. There is not a drop for the thirsting birds. The ground is parched. The choking cattle lift their voices toward a brassy heaven and lowing, cry ‘Lord give us water… We do not presume to dictate to Thee what is best for us, yet Thou dost invite us to come to Thee as children to a father and tell Thee all our wants. We want rain! Even the squirrels in the woods are suffering for want of it. Unless Thou givest us rain our cattle must die… O Lord, send us rain! and send it now! For Jesus sake!’ Amen.”
“In the preacher’s voice,” reports the California minister, “was the plaintiveness of a creature’s cry. I do not know whether any pencil caught more of this wonderful prayer, but all who heard it had to tell of its bold importunity. It had the pathos and power of an Isaiah.”
Then the pastor-revivalist poured out his soul in a searching sermon, “hewing close to the line,” from the text, “I have somewhat against thee because thou hast left thy first love.”
“Not many minutes did the sermon go on before a cloud about the size of a man’s hand came athwart the summer sky,” says the California preacher. “It grew fast. The wind rattled the shutters of the old church. Darkness came on the air, joy aroused our anxious hearts as great raindrops pattered on the sun-scorched shingles of the monumental old church. Finney’s lithe figure, tall as a Sioux warrior, ruddy as a David, trembled. His clarion voice choked. God had heard his cry. The sermon was never finished, for torrents of water poured from the prayer-unlocked heavens. The preacher bowed over the pulpit and said, Let us thank the Lord for the rain.”
He gave out the hymn, When all they mercies, O my God my rising soul surveys, Transported with the view, I’m lost in wonder, love and praise.
The congregation could not sing for weeping. Then Finney lifted heavenward a prayer of thanksgiving and praise. “I can remember not a word of the closing prayer, but the reverent and relaxed figure, the pathetic voice, the pallid and awe-struck countenance, are vivid as if it was yesterday; the plank sidewalks of the dear old town splashed our garments as we walked home from a short service, of which life’s memory must be lasting.” This is the testimony of the student who sat in the gallery and saw and heard Finney that morning.”
Moslems and Islam give me a break! They need Christ just as much as the rest of us.
They do indeed need the Christ not the ‘Jesus pbuh’.
Do you have a problem with “Peace Be Upon” Jesus (or Christ, who is the same prophet for Muslims, by the way) or upon all the prophets?
Yes, the problem (not ‘mine’) is with Islam’s false view of Jesus Christ which is contrary to the Christian view. Their ‘prophet’ Jesus is NOT the same with Jesus Christ the Son of God (Prophet, Priest and King) of the Christians.
More than that, it is adversarial and is the basis of all Islamic persecutions of Christians from the very beginning of Islam. Islam as such is a ‘jihad’, war against ‘Shirk’=”association”, accepting other gods and divinities alongside God, “the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides God”. For Islam ‘shirk’ is an unforgivable crime if it remains unpardoned before death: Allah may forgive any sin if one dies in that state except for committing shirk. Belief in the Trinity is equated with the heresy of shirk (and here Muslims are on the same page with the Talmudists who condemn ‘Shituf’/שִׁתּוּף; “association”). Christians are ‘mushrikun’, the Orthodox more than others. The often quoted verse Qur’an, V: 82 does NOT refer to Orthodox Christians.
This is the problem here: you present ONE branch/type/school/form of Islam and you conflate it with all the other ones. That is just as crazy as saying that the Papacy speaks for all of Christianity. So when the Pope split the world (Treaty of Tordesillas) he did not act in the name of Orthodox Christians, yet a dishonest Muslim would claim that we, the Orthodox, share in this imperialist ideology. So instead of parroting anti-Muslim cliches, why don’t you study the immense diversity of Islam and then make up your own mind.
You could do worse than start here: https://www.islamicity.org/3705/prophet-muhammads-promise-to-christians/
Cheers!
The Saker
Apart from the fact that the ‘Promise…’ like all so-called ‘Covenants’ of Muhammad with various Christians is of dubious authenticity, most likely Christian forgeries claiming protection from surrounding Muslims, and very likely not older than the Ottoman era (there are only copies of copies that are extant) and should be disregarded as a primary source (irrespective of the fact that they have been only recently discovered by a recent convert to Islam and unheard of in the Muslim world at large), it would not supersede the Quran. Or, the Quran explicitly rejects the divinity of Jesus Christ and commands the Muslims to fight the Christians who worship Jesus as God and there is no ‘interpretation’ of the Quran which ever hints at accepting the divinity of Jesus Christ, and this was the matter under discussion.
Certainly the Pope does not speak for all of Christianity, but the Quran speaks for all the Muslims, no matter of their ‘immense diversity’ which may opportunistically allow ‘toleration’ of Christians. Anyhow, Ashtinamehs or Adidnamehs were political acts, unilateral concessions (with notable restrictions and always revocable-they were rather armistices, suspension of hostilities) opportunistically granted by Islamic authorities (Caliphs, Sultans) to subject peoples in the context of changing fortunes on the battlefields of the endless wars between Muslims and Christians.
There are so many conflations and logical fallacies here that I have decided to write an article next week deconstructing this kind of completely illogical argument.
Stay tuned
The Saker
Can’t wait!
Science is just another tool (like eyes ears intellect microscope algebra)we Muslims use to deepen our understanding of the creation and in so doing, expand our reverence awe adoration of The Absolute Living All-Wise Merciful Creator.
We use science (among other tools) to read the signs in what has been revealed to us.
Plua scientific curiosity eventually gave us the internet so we could exchange these ideas. Glory be to God.
Peace
God sent the purest spirit as Christ to be a pattern life for us to follow…but mankinds freewill murdered him….how most wonderful it would have been if Christ had lived a full biological natural life…..and maybe all things wonderful would have been known and come into being. Yet his spirit life continues to still show us the pattern we should be following and the revelation of his Father and ours… no loving father sends a son to be a dutiful sacrifice as the role of that life….this falsehood has poisened understanding within faith and religion. So also false and delusional is mans belief that a deathbed conversion or acknowledgement of sins at death to avoid conscious reparation and recompense for those affected..means that soul instantly will sit at the right hand of our Lord….
“Morality” and “For God and Profit: How Banking and Finance Can Serve the Common Good”
I don’t know if one has seen an article by a member of the Mafia who claims to have murdered Pope John Paul 1!
Apparently, he was going to expose a great crime within the institution and paid terribly for it. It’s got all the markings of high strangeness and treason and if true leaves one feeling sorry truly sorry for a church that has or is going off the deep end really. The ’33” in the length of his the pope, time in power is especially troubling given its association to Freemasonry and the P2 :Lodge. A small sampling:
This article was spotted by S.D. and G.P. who passed it along, and to whom I’d like to give a big “thank you,” because it concerns a subject that I have written about, in my book Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations, that subject being what I have called “the hidden system of finance.” In this case, the story concerns an alleged member of the Mafia, Anthony Raimondi, a nephew of the notorious America mob boss, Lucky Luciano, and his claims stated in his recent “tell all” book, When the Bullet hits the Bone, that he was part of a team that had murdered Pope John-Paul I (Albino Cardinal Luciani), who was pope for a mere 33 days. Pay attention to that number, because we’ll be getting back to that. Here’s the article:
Meet the mobster who claims he helped whack Pope John Paul I over stock fraud
What concerns us here is Mr. Raimondi’s central statement:
He helped kill the pope — so his pals could stay out of hell.
That’s the shocking claim from longtime Colombo gangster Anthony Raimondi, who says that, in 1978, he went to Italy with a team of hit men who whacked John Paul I. They allegedly poisoned him with cyanide just 33 days into the pontiff’s reign, according to Raimondi’s new book, “When the Bullet Hits the Bone,” out now from Page Publishing.
Raimondi, the nephew of legendary godfather Lucky Luciano, claims he was recruited for the murder at the age of 28 by his cardinal cousin, Paul Marcinkus, who ran the Vatican bank. Raimondi’s job was to learn the pope’s habits and be on hand to observe as Marcinkus knocked out John Paul by spiking his nightly cup of tea with Valium.
“I stood in the hallway outside the pope’s quarters when the tea was served,” he writes, adding that the drug did its job so well that their victim wouldn’t have stirred “even if there had been an earthquake,” he recounts. “I’d done a lot of things in my time, but I didn’t want to be there in the room when they killed the pope. I knew that would buy me a one-way ticket to hell.”
Instead, he stood outside the room as his cousin readied a dose of cyanide, he claims. “He measured it in the dropper, put the dropper in the pope’s mouth and squeezed,” Raimondi writes. “When it was done, he closed the door behind him and walked away.”
After the snoozing pontiff was force-fed the poison, a papal assistant checked on him, then cried out that “the pope was dying” — after which Marcinkus and two other cardinals in on the plot “rushed into the bedroom like it was a big surprise,” Raimondi writes. A Vatican doctor was summoned, who ruled that John Paul I had suffered a fatal heart attack, he writes.
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They targeted the pope because he had threatened to expose a massive stock fraud run by Vatican insiders, according to the book.
The billion-dollar scam involved a forgery expert at the Vatican who faked the church’s holdings in blue-chip American companies such as IBM, Sunoco and Coca-Cola. Mobsters then allegedly sold the phony stock certificates to unsuspecting buyers.
John Paul I had vowed to defrock the perpetrators, which included Marcinkus and about “half the cardinals and bishops in the Vatican,” Raimondi told The Post. “They would have been thrown out and subject to the laws of the US and Italy,” he said. “They would have gone to jail.” (Emphasis added)
Now before I get to today’s high octane speculation, it’s necessary for me to lay my cards on the table: I do not believe, and have never believed the idea that Pope John-Paul I simply died quietly in his sleep. I do believe, and have always believed, that John-Paul I was murdered, and murdered precisely for his probable knowledge of, and determination to eliminate, the financial corruption in and around the Vatican bank and its connections
https://gizadeathstar.com/2019/10/mobsters-new-book-i-helped-murder-pope-john-paul-i/
https://nypost.com/2019/10/19/meet-the-mobster-who-claims-he-helped-whack-pope-john-paul-i-over-stock-fraud/
https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/11/07/nun-relives-moment-she-found-pope-john-paul-i-dead/
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A very much welcome contribution. All the more so since we’re constantly intoxicated by the “truths” propagated by the all-knowing Western-centric mainstream media. I strongly recommend to read and ponder the following related analysis:
/fighting-for-survival-whither-modern-civilization/
@ Anichouche
Excellent piece, however:
He pronounced the death of the Judeo-Christian tradition, which will soon be overthrown by Islam, a religion “endowed with a planetary army made up of countless believers willing to die for their religion, God and His Prophet”.
That sentence I’m afraid is a big, very big mistake unfortunately – allow me to simplify:
Remember your Creator
in the days of your youth,
before the days of trouble come
and the years approach when you will say,
“I find no pleasure in them”—
2
before the sun and the light
and the moon and the stars grow dark,
and the clouds return after the rain; {Hmmmm, aren’t the clouds returning far too often after the rain?}
3
when the keepers of the house tremble,
and the strong men stoop,
when the grinders cease because they are few,
and those looking through the windows grow dim;
4
when the doors to the street are closed
and the sound of grinding fades;
when people rise up at the sound of birds,
but all their songs grow faint;
5
when people are afraid of heights
and of dangers in the streets;
when the almond tree blossoms
and the grasshopper drags itself along
and desire no longer is stirred.
Then people go to their eternal home
and mourners go about the streets. {I believe Christ mentioned this}
Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12
As for Italy my what strange weather she is experiencing. Actually, nothing left me truly stunned than what occurred over Naples, Italy which can be seen here:
https://youtu.be/5pSxRMZh6wo
and many other videos as well. Seeing it however, sent me on a journey to understand why given the enormity of teachings in the Judeo/Christian bible of God’s use of the weather as means of punishment. Just take this one scripture as an example:
“Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23
which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle? Job 38:23
Amazing! And lo and behold what does one find about Naples, Italy? A Journalist by the name of Saviano who wrote an investigative book on Italy’s mafia called Gomorrah about the Mafia in Naples, Italy especially. For his hard work he has received a phalanx of Carabinieri for his troubles. Yeah, I guess better the Carabinieri than the Swiss guards who are little better than art decoration. Sadly, I figure this is largely what Rome has indeed become art and little else of substance!
In any case Thank God for Christ Jesus and the Christian bibles both the Old Testament and the New which gives us everything we could possibly want or need. It and nothing else holds our future in its hands!!! Nothing!!!!!
That one can bank on!
lol great pic and news of the financial maneuverings of the Vatican?
https://www.ft.com/content/da969ed2-fbef-11e9-a354-36acbbb0d9b6?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6
Stop harping on the crusades. They were simply a reaction to 400 years of incessant Muslim conquest. Are we to forget that the Middle East and North Africa were not only Christian, but its cradle? Are we to forget that unless stopped in Potiers in France and elsewhere the banners of Islam would have conquered the whole of Europe. There is nothing to apologise for the crusades, they were defensive wars!