Finally, Russia has come to its senses! This news is a sigh of relief to those who are crying for justice. I suspect tomorrow, Bibi will make a hasty flight to Moscow and make threats on Putin if he cannot convince him brandishing the Bible as evidence that they have all the right to “utterly destroy” whoever crosses their path including of course, Russia! and he could reinforce his threats with more bitter sanctions from Jewmerica if the S300 and its ancillary modern targetting equipments will, indeed make presence in Syria.
Should has been done many years ago. Anywat Russia learnd its lesson, so now its no fly zone for Israel. Some latest models of MiG 29 and missiles would be usefull also. People say Russia is too slow to make attacks against West. Putin plays slow game, due to Russia was so poor and weak in 1990s due to the Western Fascists puppet Regime. So much was gone. Now, Russia has the military, money and power with its alliance with China and Iran and Africa. It can do almost what it likes anywhere outside North Amerika. Syrian already has without Russian help shot down Israeli jets with s200, now they will be able to get any invader. Putin is a Zionist puppet, Mr Crypto Zionist Paul C Roberts say etc, well remember- no other nation has underwater global drone missile, which Putin revealed on Purim !! Not by acident.
Even- Poland will be pro Russian. Polish mostly are traditionalist and of slavonic blood, visit and see yourselfs, buildings, foods, farming, all similar to Russian. Amercians cannot tell difference between Polish and Russian language and look. Polish asks themselves already if they have more in common with Gay, God hating and Multicultural Amerika/UK or with Traditionalist, non-Communist Russia. Poland is not as stupid as some think. Unfortunately Dual Citizens Zionists exist there, like Russian Oligarchs, but Putin controlled them now, in Poland they are still not removed.
As I stated elsewhere, Russia needs to secure all of Syria before international investment can begin. Not only Israeli, but also NATO warplanes need to be excluded.
It would appear that Israel played the role of useful idiot in providing Russia with sufficient justification to take a major step towards accomplishing this goal.
Never happen from Bibi. If it looks like it happened, simply search for the squadron leader in a couple months and you will find him right back where he was.
This will not change anything. This will only provide a better testing and training ground for the Western Alliance to understand the three changes that will be implemented (1. S300; 2. Coordination equipment and 3. Electronic warfare suppression on coast).
Recall the destruction of a Russian Pantsir installation.
This is a bandaid for the symptoms not the root cause. The Western Alliance will continue to smite Russia in Syria for strictly PR purposes.
This recent attack was beyond successful as Putin’s homeland approval ratings dropped an estimated 10 percent of not more. The idea that is Putin is the target; the middle east pipeline project is still very much proceeding.
The ‘Russian’ Pantsir system destroyed, actually Syrian, was out of ammo and out of service, the crew was lounging around outside. Don’t know if they survived or not in the attack.
I read somewhere, that the crew was having a break while waiting for supplies. I understood that no people were hurt in this operation.
I was wondering though, why did they leave the equipment un-sheltered. I guess, commanding officer will be cleaning stinkies with his toothbrush.
If you really believe Russians are using their modern technology, well, they are not. Any links to confirm your allegation Putin losing support in Russia? Pantsir hadn’t Russian crew, it hadn’t a crew at all. It’s not about the pipes, it’s about Greater IsraHell (Yinon plan).
“I just wonder the effect on Lockheed Martin’s stock price if instead of an F-16, the Syrian S300 system actually shoot down a brand new Israeli F-35.”
Now, that would very very nice. Better still, one, or two each of the f-3 and the F-22 “Slaptor”.
… a prayer finally being fulfilled …
“Lighten our darkness, we beseech thee, O Lord;
and by thy great mercy defend us from all perils and dangers of this night;
for the love of thy only Son, our Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Amen.”
Israel is in denial for now. But soon the “squeal like pigs” part will kick in. Netanyahu will fly to Washington and kick Trump around the White House biggly. Putin will have no time or patience for Netanyahu’s BS and since BS is all Bibi’s got that path is a no go so Washington, Paris and London will feel the Zionist whip.
Here is a thought on something else the Russians might do; although they don’t want to share their IFF system with the Syrians, they could develop a separate IFF system just for use in Syria or similar situations, which they could share with the Syrians, or maybe Syria could develop its own IFF system. Anyway, it sounds like the Russians are making a careful response.
Before people start counting downed IAF aircraft, it is not entirely clear that the delivery of these S-300s will change much at all in Syria. These systems will almost be under the direct control of Russian officers, if not actually manned entirely by Russians. There is no reason to believe that the Russians will give the Syrians a free hand to actually employ the S-300 against Israeli aircraft except under the most narrow of circumstances.
For instance the Russians may forbid the use of these S-300’s against targets within Israeli air space (from where the IAF can launch stand-off weapons into Syria. In fact, they may not be allowed to target any IAF aircraft that does not enter Syrian airspace, perhaps some of the IAF aircraft that do will also be given a pass if they have coordinated the strike with the Russian command. I expect that the Russians will keep a tight rein on these S-300’s. If they don’t, you can just about bet that the Syrians would be all too happy to begin shooting IAF aircraft out of the sky anywhere they appear within range of the system.
A few weeks down the road and we shouldn’t be surprised if the IAF is not again striking targets inside Syria with impunity…and Russian coordination. The delivery of the S-300 and the other announced measures do not appear to have changed Russian policy in Syria. I expect that Putin will continue his policy of accommodating the Israelis and their wishes… When the IAF begins losing aircraft to S-300 batteries, I’ll believe that there has a been a real change of policy. What I see right now looks more like management of narrative for political damage control.
Before people start counting downed IAF aircraft, it is not entirely clear that the delivery of these S-300s will change much at all in Syria. These systems will almost be under the direct control of Russian officers, if not actually manned entirely by Russians. There is no reason to believe that the Russians will give the Syrians a free hand to actually employ the S-300 against Israeli aircraft except under the most narrow of circumstances.
Or The S-300 system was purchased by Syria for $400,000,000. It is their system.
For instance the Russians may forbid the use of these S-300’s against targets within Israeli air space (from where the IAF can launch stand-off weapons into Syria. In fact, they may not be allowed to target any IAF aircraft that does not enter Syrian airspace, perhaps some of the IAF aircraft that do will also be given a pass if they have coordinated the strike with the Russian command.
Or The Russians may have been waiting for Israel to do something really, really stupid before delivering the S-300 to Syria. The purpose of air defense is to defend against air attacks, and this means, logically that enemy aircraft in Syrian airspace illegally may be targeted, and enemy aircraft on attack runs or after an attack run may be targeted, all in accordance with international law, which Syria follows but Israel does not.
I expect that the Russians will keep a tight rein on these S-300’s. If they don’t, you can just about bet that the Syrians would be all too happy to begin shooting IAF aircraft out of the sky anywhere they appear within range of the system.
The statement “I bet” is meaningless. Just a way to attach the appearance of substance where there is none.
A few weeks down the road and we shouldn’t be surprised if the IAF is not again striking targets inside Syria with impunity…and Russian coordination.
More of the same. No substance.
The delivery of the S-300 and the other announced measures do not appear to have changed Russian policy in Syria. I expect that Putin will continue his policy of accommodating the Israelis and their wishes… When the IAF begins losing aircraft to S-300 batteries, I’ll believe that there has a been a real change of policy. What I see right now looks more like management of narrative for political damage control.
There has been a great deal of consternation expressed over the past two years that Russia is rolling over whenever IFUKUS strikes. It appears that VVP, the chess master, knows where all the pieces are, that VVP, the judo master, has allowed his opponent(s) to lose there balance and with a slight nudge, he has directed them to their place on the floor, and that VVP, the lawyer, has allowed the basis for lawful Syrian response to occur whenever and wherever needed. The consequence of over 200 unwarranted strikes against targets inside Syria that are neither ISIS no DAESH not Al Qaeda nor HTS not ,insert alphabet here> has provided the legal justification for Syria to defend itself.
It appears that Russian policy has been to allow IFUKUS enough rope to hang themselves, and to allow Syria to deploy the S-300. It appears this policy has been many years in the making.
Russians will man the S-400 systems inside Syria. Syrians will man their own S-300 systems
No substance, really? I’ll take that under advisement. But pray tell dear sir, what exactly in the Russian response (non-retaliation) will cause the Anglo-zionists to believe that the Russians really will shoot next time?
You cannot restore the credibility of a threat of use of force with more threats of the use of force. That should be obvious enough.
Let’s look at the steps the Russians are taking:
1. Deliver S-300 to Syria. Okay, this will greatly improve the air defenses of the SAA… But at the time of the IAF attack that caused the loss of the IL-20, there were not only S-300, but S-400 batteries as well that were in position to defend this specific area and were in a position to watch the entire attack unfold and to eliminate the IAF aircraft if desired by the Russian command. The Israelis are not able to bomb at will across Syria because of a lack of S-300 or S-400 units to deter them…they do so because they have an arrangement with the Russians within which the Russians acquiesce and look the other way while the IAF is pounding their Syrian clients and Iranian allies with impunity.
Does anyone really believe that the Russians will not maintain ultimate control of the S-300 battery(ies) being delivered to the SAA? It seems clear to me that the Russians have an urgent need to do so, and there is every reason to believe that this will be the case. What is your basis for believing otherwise?
So what we have is the addition of missile batteries, which will still not be allowed to down IAF aircraft unless the Russians give the order, which they heretofore have not been willing to do. There is no evidence that they are more inclined to do so now either. The result may be only more idle S-300 launchers during IAF attacks.
2. EW along the Syrian coast. They haven’t already been doing these things? Here again, this is a passive response which does not directly threaten IAF aircraft, it only makes their task more difficult. It does little, if anything, to restore credibility to the threat that Russia would go to war over Syria.
3. Adding more modern command/control equipment will of course greatly increase the effectiveness of the SAA air defenses…and the provision of IFF will certainly go a long way to preventing another similar tragedy, but only to the extent that these defenses are allowed to engage IAF (or NATO) targets. As the Russians upgrade the SAA’s air defenses to the point that they can effectively challenge attackers, the Russians are going to by necessity place more and more strict rules of engagement on these forces so as to avoid an unwanted escalation.
Oh, and the think not trumpeted about the Russian response? The Israelis are saying, and the Russians are not denying, that the previous hot line arrangement that allowed the Israelis to bomb with impunity by simply notifying the Russians of their strike missions is still in place and will remain so. It remains to be seen how accommodating the Russians will be in the future to the IAF’s bombing campaign in Syria, but the mechanisms for its continuation will remain in place. So you see, additional S-300’s aren’t much of a threat if the IAF can continue to get a free pass from the Russians.
Another thing that some are saying the Russians have done is to establish an unofficial no fly zone over Syria for the IAF. I’m not sure what that even means. An unofficial no fly zone? One of the big problems facing the Russians is that they have heretofore been unable to clearly define red lines and then defend them. This kind of “unofficial no fly zone” just adds more ambiguity to the situation. Someone opined that the beauty of this kind of unofficial no fly zone was that the Russians could pick and choose which flights to target and which to let pass. Again, this adds more ambiguity to a situation which desperately needs clarity.
An unofficial no fly zone, which goes unenforced, only further weakens Russian credibility. Enforcing it in some kind of adhoc manner is even worse as it invites escalation.
Russians are dead. Syrians and Iranians are being killed regularly. There is a very real threat of a massive US intervention against the SAA and in support of the jihadis that would reverse the tide of this war. Exactly what part of this response was supposed to make military planners in Washington believe that the Russians will do anything other than hunker down in their bases when the US intervenes directly against the SAA? That after all is the real question here.
There will still be those who say Putin acted too late. They’re wrong. This is the appropriate response by Russia – and I suspect it’s not the only one that will be taken. The next time Israel attacks Syria, they are going to lose aircraft. Israel may say they will destroy the S-300 installations, but it is likely those installations will be manned by Russians and if any more Russians are killed by Israel, Russia will respond militarily. Russia wants good relations with Israel but will only take so much provocation like any nation.
Russia has to be aware that the Israelis expect the US to help them, but Israel also needs to be aware that Russia can do serious damage to Israel before the US can do anything to prevent it.
The more dangerous situation is the Ahwaz attack in Iran. If, as Trita Parsi suggests in an article today, that Saudi Arabia and the UAE are responsible, and even that the US may have had a hand in it, we may be headed for a Saudi-Iran war whose primary purpose is to get the US to attack Iran. This would be Israel’s way of getting the Iran war started without Israel being blamed for it or even being involved in it.
Israel is gambling that they could stay out of a US-Iran war if it was not directly started by Israel. They are probably mistaken. If the US attacks Iran, it is likely that Hizballah in Lebanon will join in by attacking Israel. Israel can’t afford that to happen. It is possible that Sayed Nasrallah will order Hizballah to stay out of a US-Iran war that was not started by Israel. But Nasrallah is no fool. He will see that the US and Israel are behind any such war and he may decide to involve Hizballah.
It’s not clear to me how far Israel is willing to push Russia over Syria. Israel may be counting on US protection against Russia, but Israel may miscalculate both how much damage Russia could do to Israel and more importantly whether Hizballah may join in with Russia against Israel.
Things are heating up very rapidly and the likelihood of expanded war in the Middle East is fast becoming a certainty.
Finally, Russia has come to its senses! This news is a sigh of relief to those who are crying for justice. I suspect tomorrow, Bibi will make a hasty flight to Moscow and make threats on Putin if he cannot convince him brandishing the Bible as evidence that they have all the right to “utterly destroy” whoever crosses their path including of course, Russia! and he could reinforce his threats with more bitter sanctions from Jewmerica if the S300 and its ancillary modern targetting equipments will, indeed make presence in Syria.
Liberman: Israel To Destroy S-300 Systems If Syria Employs Them.
https://southfront.org/liberman-israel-to-destroy-s-300-systems-if-syria-employs-them/
Should has been done many years ago. Anywat Russia learnd its lesson, so now its no fly zone for Israel. Some latest models of MiG 29 and missiles would be usefull also. People say Russia is too slow to make attacks against West. Putin plays slow game, due to Russia was so poor and weak in 1990s due to the Western Fascists puppet Regime. So much was gone. Now, Russia has the military, money and power with its alliance with China and Iran and Africa. It can do almost what it likes anywhere outside North Amerika. Syrian already has without Russian help shot down Israeli jets with s200, now they will be able to get any invader. Putin is a Zionist puppet, Mr Crypto Zionist Paul C Roberts say etc, well remember- no other nation has underwater global drone missile, which Putin revealed on Purim !! Not by acident.
Even- Poland will be pro Russian. Polish mostly are traditionalist and of slavonic blood, visit and see yourselfs, buildings, foods, farming, all similar to Russian. Amercians cannot tell difference between Polish and Russian language and look. Polish asks themselves already if they have more in common with Gay, God hating and Multicultural Amerika/UK or with Traditionalist, non-Communist Russia. Poland is not as stupid as some think. Unfortunately Dual Citizens Zionists exist there, like Russian Oligarchs, but Putin controlled them now, in Poland they are still not removed.
Well, It is about time for an upgrade. This move itself concludes second chapter of war in Syria. I hope zionazi got the message.
As I stated elsewhere, Russia needs to secure all of Syria before international investment can begin. Not only Israeli, but also NATO warplanes need to be excluded.
It would appear that Israel played the role of useful idiot in providing Russia with sufficient justification to take a major step towards accomplishing this goal.
The motto of the Mossad: “Deceit is essential in warfare”.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Way_of_Deception
Unsurprisingly, that’s the first rule listed in The Art of War.
Shoigu mentioned “hotheads”, implying that the political leadership was not responsible, thus giving Bibi a way out of his predicament.
Bibi still has a chance to make good- by sacking the squadron leader and saying sorry.
Never happen from Bibi. If it looks like it happened, simply search for the squadron leader in a couple months and you will find him right back where he was.
jiri, Israel would have a better chance by sacking the Yahoo and paying compensation to show it is really sorry; words are cheap.
This will not change anything. This will only provide a better testing and training ground for the Western Alliance to understand the three changes that will be implemented (1. S300; 2. Coordination equipment and 3. Electronic warfare suppression on coast).
Recall the destruction of a Russian Pantsir installation.
This is a bandaid for the symptoms not the root cause. The Western Alliance will continue to smite Russia in Syria for strictly PR purposes.
This recent attack was beyond successful as Putin’s homeland approval ratings dropped an estimated 10 percent of not more. The idea that is Putin is the target; the middle east pipeline project is still very much proceeding.
Verification of VVPs approval ratings dropping?
The ‘Russian’ Pantsir system destroyed, actually Syrian, was out of ammo and out of service, the crew was lounging around outside. Don’t know if they survived or not in the attack.
I read somewhere, that the crew was having a break while waiting for supplies. I understood that no people were hurt in this operation.
I was wondering though, why did they leave the equipment un-sheltered. I guess, commanding officer will be cleaning stinkies with his toothbrush.
If you really believe Russians are using their modern technology, well, they are not. Any links to confirm your allegation Putin losing support in Russia? Pantsir hadn’t Russian crew, it hadn’t a crew at all. It’s not about the pipes, it’s about Greater IsraHell (Yinon plan).
I just wonder the effect on Lockheed Martin’s stock price if instead of an F-16, the Syrian S300 system actually shoot down a brand new Israeli F-35.
“I just wonder the effect on Lockheed Martin’s stock price if instead of an F-16, the Syrian S300 system actually shoot down a brand new Israeli F-35.”
Now, that would very very nice. Better still, one, or two each of the f-3 and the F-22 “Slaptor”.
Kent
Didn’t one Israeli F-35 collided with some “birds” few months ago?
It might be good for the stock price, as US.mil would order a replacement.
… a prayer finally being fulfilled …
“Lighten our darkness, we beseech thee, O Lord;
and by thy great mercy defend us from all perils and dangers of this night;
for the love of thy only Son, our Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Amen.”
Israel is in denial for now. But soon the “squeal like pigs” part will kick in. Netanyahu will fly to Washington and kick Trump around the White House biggly. Putin will have no time or patience for Netanyahu’s BS and since BS is all Bibi’s got that path is a no go so Washington, Paris and London will feel the Zionist whip.
Christian, “when anything else fails kick the dog aka Washington, London, Paris”. My sincere apologies to all dogs, as I love dogs.
Here is a thought on something else the Russians might do; although they don’t want to share their IFF system with the Syrians, they could develop a separate IFF system just for use in Syria or similar situations, which they could share with the Syrians, or maybe Syria could develop its own IFF system. Anyway, it sounds like the Russians are making a careful response.
Also, could the crew of planes like the IL-20 be equipped with parachutes as is done for fighter planes?
They already ARE giving IFF systems.
Before people start counting downed IAF aircraft, it is not entirely clear that the delivery of these S-300s will change much at all in Syria. These systems will almost be under the direct control of Russian officers, if not actually manned entirely by Russians. There is no reason to believe that the Russians will give the Syrians a free hand to actually employ the S-300 against Israeli aircraft except under the most narrow of circumstances.
For instance the Russians may forbid the use of these S-300’s against targets within Israeli air space (from where the IAF can launch stand-off weapons into Syria. In fact, they may not be allowed to target any IAF aircraft that does not enter Syrian airspace, perhaps some of the IAF aircraft that do will also be given a pass if they have coordinated the strike with the Russian command. I expect that the Russians will keep a tight rein on these S-300’s. If they don’t, you can just about bet that the Syrians would be all too happy to begin shooting IAF aircraft out of the sky anywhere they appear within range of the system.
A few weeks down the road and we shouldn’t be surprised if the IAF is not again striking targets inside Syria with impunity…and Russian coordination. The delivery of the S-300 and the other announced measures do not appear to have changed Russian policy in Syria. I expect that Putin will continue his policy of accommodating the Israelis and their wishes… When the IAF begins losing aircraft to S-300 batteries, I’ll believe that there has a been a real change of policy. What I see right now looks more like management of narrative for political damage control.
Before people start counting downed IAF aircraft, it is not entirely clear that the delivery of these S-300s will change much at all in Syria. These systems will almost be under the direct control of Russian officers, if not actually manned entirely by Russians. There is no reason to believe that the Russians will give the Syrians a free hand to actually employ the S-300 against Israeli aircraft except under the most narrow of circumstances.
Or The S-300 system was purchased by Syria for $400,000,000. It is their system.
For instance the Russians may forbid the use of these S-300’s against targets within Israeli air space (from where the IAF can launch stand-off weapons into Syria. In fact, they may not be allowed to target any IAF aircraft that does not enter Syrian airspace, perhaps some of the IAF aircraft that do will also be given a pass if they have coordinated the strike with the Russian command.
Or The Russians may have been waiting for Israel to do something really, really stupid before delivering the S-300 to Syria. The purpose of air defense is to defend against air attacks, and this means, logically that enemy aircraft in Syrian airspace illegally may be targeted, and enemy aircraft on attack runs or after an attack run may be targeted, all in accordance with international law, which Syria follows but Israel does not.
I expect that the Russians will keep a tight rein on these S-300’s. If they don’t, you can just about bet that the Syrians would be all too happy to begin shooting IAF aircraft out of the sky anywhere they appear within range of the system.
The statement “I bet” is meaningless. Just a way to attach the appearance of substance where there is none.
A few weeks down the road and we shouldn’t be surprised if the IAF is not again striking targets inside Syria with impunity…and Russian coordination.
More of the same. No substance.
The delivery of the S-300 and the other announced measures do not appear to have changed Russian policy in Syria. I expect that Putin will continue his policy of accommodating the Israelis and their wishes… When the IAF begins losing aircraft to S-300 batteries, I’ll believe that there has a been a real change of policy. What I see right now looks more like management of narrative for political damage control.
There has been a great deal of consternation expressed over the past two years that Russia is rolling over whenever IFUKUS strikes. It appears that VVP, the chess master, knows where all the pieces are, that VVP, the judo master, has allowed his opponent(s) to lose there balance and with a slight nudge, he has directed them to their place on the floor, and that VVP, the lawyer, has allowed the basis for lawful Syrian response to occur whenever and wherever needed. The consequence of over 200 unwarranted strikes against targets inside Syria that are neither ISIS no DAESH not Al Qaeda nor HTS not ,insert alphabet here> has provided the legal justification for Syria to defend itself.
It appears that Russian policy has been to allow IFUKUS enough rope to hang themselves, and to allow Syria to deploy the S-300. It appears this policy has been many years in the making.
Russians will man the S-400 systems inside Syria. Syrians will man their own S-300 systems
No substance, really? I’ll take that under advisement. But pray tell dear sir, what exactly in the Russian response (non-retaliation) will cause the Anglo-zionists to believe that the Russians really will shoot next time?
You cannot restore the credibility of a threat of use of force with more threats of the use of force. That should be obvious enough.
Let’s look at the steps the Russians are taking:
1. Deliver S-300 to Syria. Okay, this will greatly improve the air defenses of the SAA… But at the time of the IAF attack that caused the loss of the IL-20, there were not only S-300, but S-400 batteries as well that were in position to defend this specific area and were in a position to watch the entire attack unfold and to eliminate the IAF aircraft if desired by the Russian command. The Israelis are not able to bomb at will across Syria because of a lack of S-300 or S-400 units to deter them…they do so because they have an arrangement with the Russians within which the Russians acquiesce and look the other way while the IAF is pounding their Syrian clients and Iranian allies with impunity.
Does anyone really believe that the Russians will not maintain ultimate control of the S-300 battery(ies) being delivered to the SAA? It seems clear to me that the Russians have an urgent need to do so, and there is every reason to believe that this will be the case. What is your basis for believing otherwise?
So what we have is the addition of missile batteries, which will still not be allowed to down IAF aircraft unless the Russians give the order, which they heretofore have not been willing to do. There is no evidence that they are more inclined to do so now either. The result may be only more idle S-300 launchers during IAF attacks.
2. EW along the Syrian coast. They haven’t already been doing these things? Here again, this is a passive response which does not directly threaten IAF aircraft, it only makes their task more difficult. It does little, if anything, to restore credibility to the threat that Russia would go to war over Syria.
3. Adding more modern command/control equipment will of course greatly increase the effectiveness of the SAA air defenses…and the provision of IFF will certainly go a long way to preventing another similar tragedy, but only to the extent that these defenses are allowed to engage IAF (or NATO) targets. As the Russians upgrade the SAA’s air defenses to the point that they can effectively challenge attackers, the Russians are going to by necessity place more and more strict rules of engagement on these forces so as to avoid an unwanted escalation.
Oh, and the think not trumpeted about the Russian response? The Israelis are saying, and the Russians are not denying, that the previous hot line arrangement that allowed the Israelis to bomb with impunity by simply notifying the Russians of their strike missions is still in place and will remain so. It remains to be seen how accommodating the Russians will be in the future to the IAF’s bombing campaign in Syria, but the mechanisms for its continuation will remain in place. So you see, additional S-300’s aren’t much of a threat if the IAF can continue to get a free pass from the Russians.
Another thing that some are saying the Russians have done is to establish an unofficial no fly zone over Syria for the IAF. I’m not sure what that even means. An unofficial no fly zone? One of the big problems facing the Russians is that they have heretofore been unable to clearly define red lines and then defend them. This kind of “unofficial no fly zone” just adds more ambiguity to the situation. Someone opined that the beauty of this kind of unofficial no fly zone was that the Russians could pick and choose which flights to target and which to let pass. Again, this adds more ambiguity to a situation which desperately needs clarity.
An unofficial no fly zone, which goes unenforced, only further weakens Russian credibility. Enforcing it in some kind of adhoc manner is even worse as it invites escalation.
Russians are dead. Syrians and Iranians are being killed regularly. There is a very real threat of a massive US intervention against the SAA and in support of the jihadis that would reverse the tide of this war. Exactly what part of this response was supposed to make military planners in Washington believe that the Russians will do anything other than hunker down in their bases when the US intervenes directly against the SAA? That after all is the real question here.
yyyyyeeeeeesssssss Just what many wished for……
Finally the sheer arrogance of this violent militarised little nation have had their wings clipped ……
sometimes a gun to the head is the only way to make another behave…..
If only this tiny nation realised just how angry the world has become with their violent out of control butchery of others;;;
Their behaviour is not acceptable ……
Maybe now
There will still be those who say Putin acted too late. They’re wrong. This is the appropriate response by Russia – and I suspect it’s not the only one that will be taken. The next time Israel attacks Syria, they are going to lose aircraft. Israel may say they will destroy the S-300 installations, but it is likely those installations will be manned by Russians and if any more Russians are killed by Israel, Russia will respond militarily. Russia wants good relations with Israel but will only take so much provocation like any nation.
Russia has to be aware that the Israelis expect the US to help them, but Israel also needs to be aware that Russia can do serious damage to Israel before the US can do anything to prevent it.
The more dangerous situation is the Ahwaz attack in Iran. If, as Trita Parsi suggests in an article today, that Saudi Arabia and the UAE are responsible, and even that the US may have had a hand in it, we may be headed for a Saudi-Iran war whose primary purpose is to get the US to attack Iran. This would be Israel’s way of getting the Iran war started without Israel being blamed for it or even being involved in it.
Israel is gambling that they could stay out of a US-Iran war if it was not directly started by Israel. They are probably mistaken. If the US attacks Iran, it is likely that Hizballah in Lebanon will join in by attacking Israel. Israel can’t afford that to happen. It is possible that Sayed Nasrallah will order Hizballah to stay out of a US-Iran war that was not started by Israel. But Nasrallah is no fool. He will see that the US and Israel are behind any such war and he may decide to involve Hizballah.
It’s not clear to me how far Israel is willing to push Russia over Syria. Israel may be counting on US protection against Russia, but Israel may miscalculate both how much damage Russia could do to Israel and more importantly whether Hizballah may join in with Russia against Israel.
Things are heating up very rapidly and the likelihood of expanded war in the Middle East is fast becoming a certainty.