Many of you have commented on Gordon Duff, Press TV and the “Dimitri Khalezov theory” about nukes being used on 911. I just want to tell you that I rate the credibility of Press TV as “poor”, of Gordon Duff and “Veterans Today” as “terrible” and Dimitry Khazelov as “unknown”. However, one should rate the source and the information given by the source. So to this I will say that
a) there is no physical evidence of the use of a nuke on 911.
b) there is overwhelming evidence of the use of explosives (probably a mix of various types) on 911.
Also, there is the pesky problem of WTC7 which was a very different building from WTC1 and WTC2 whose collapse mechanism was clearly different. Explosives can – and have – explained it. The nuke hypothesis does not.
I don’t think that I have the time to go into a detailed discussion of 9/11 now, but for those of you who might wonder why I believe, please see this post (the links in the post are dead, but if there is a demand for it, I can re-upload the documents in question).
As for some US officials selling nukes I will say this: I rate Sibel Edmonds as a “good” source and the info she provides is compatible with what I know. However, it is one thing to sell nuclear technology to Israel or Turkey and quite another to make it widely available. In other words, I am not at all sure that the sale of these technologies has been nearly as big as some might believe.
Generally, I dislike sensationalism. I try to keep an open mind, but as Carl Sagan liked to say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I am willing to consider pretty much any theory about 9/11, except the ridiculous official fairytale of course, but it better be backed by some solid research and good evidence. Right now, I see the “controlled demolition” as proven far beyond reasonable doubt, so any other theory would have to do better, which would be very hard indeed.
Kind regards,
The Saker
Just my opinion after trying to absorb as much material as possible over the past five years.
I think a small tactical nuke in the basement combined with strategically placed nano thermite is plausable. I cant think of another way to collapse the central core with conventional charges. Having a nuke in the sub-basement doen’t contradict anything else I’ve come across and actually makes more simple the scenario. I have to marval at the pure evil genious of it all!
WT7 was, of course, a much more simple affair.
FWIW, A New Pearl Harbor video is a pretty good compendium.
T1
Excellent piece in yesterday’s CounterPunch on what Putin *really* gained by returning Crimea to Russia: Black Sea oil reserves according to the 1982 Law of the Sea. The US, EU and Exxon lost, big-time.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/23/crimea-an-eu-us-exxon-screwup/
Putin’s not playing our game, he’s got his own and it is infinitely superior.
ROFL!!!!’ That explains the hysteria: nothing will make a talentless less greedy psychopathic thief have a meltdown quicker than losing loot they intended to steal.
Why do I get the impression that she doesn’t wash herself? Perhaps because of the stench she gives off, the kind one would expect of a minion of satanic cults.
It’s pretty clear that some type of thermitic material was used, see the paper by Niels Harrit, Steven Jones, et al that found unexploded thermitic residue in WTC dust.
One area I have disagreements with others on, is to what extent Bush and Cheney knew in advance about or planned the attack.
My theory is that they thought a real al Qaeda operation was going to be carried out, and they let it happen. But they didn’t know a much bigger false flag attack orchestrated by the CIA shadow government and Mossad was going to happen.
This would explain everything I’m aware of, including why Cheney gave the order not to shoot down the aircraft (probably a Global Hawk) approaching the Pentagon. Bush and Cheney are just politicians, aren’t that bright, and they weren’t in office long enough to plan anything of this magnitude. Of course after they realized what happened they could be blackmailed to do whatever the shadow government desired.
Why did you even bring up “Nukes on 9/11”?
Controlled demolition – who were the “grunts” that put them in place? Saudis or Pakistanis? Where were the grunts disposed of, in WTC7?
This page is based on the original Wikipedia page by Dimitri Khalezov. The Wikipedia page was removed soon after it was originally posted. I had a lot of contact with Khalezov about 2 years ago, cleaned it up for him and put it on Wikispooks for reference.
There is also more of his stuff linked from here
I’m agnostic personally. There is evidence consistent with deep u/g nuclear explosion as explained in the articles (eg glassified rock in deep sub-basements; presence of certain radio-nuclides) – which is not to say that is the only possible explanation.
For sure Khalezov new Viktor Bout well. He was in Thailand at the time of Bouts arrest and extradition and helped Bout’s wife with the legal fight. He’s an interesting man and I still don’t quite know what to make of him
This site is interesting on 9-11.
http://www.drjudywood.com/
Takes time to go through it.
If nukes were used on 911, new-yorkers should be dying of radiation ; no?
Yes and the people in the building who survived the collapse (several) should have experienced radiation poisoning, which they did not.
I couldn’t agree with Saker more, Gordon Duff is someone with zero credibility: Veterans Today has some really nasty Reagan era Intelligence freaks on their board, the kind of scum that actively supported violent Islamic radicalization movements during the 1980s, –Despite being told by every government from Germany to China that it was a really bad idea. As well, VT’s board has a really vicious war criminal and terrorist in the form of General Hamid Gul, the CIA trained founder of the terrorist sponsoring Pakistani ISI. A man who did not find a Salafist terrorist he didn’t like (including those he trained and funded for Chechnya)
And the Pentagon and ‘missing’ flight?
Saker Duff is not the primary source. Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 – Serendipity
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/military.htm
From http://www.11syyskuu.org, a Finnish-language site … Pommiteknologian kehitys liittyen 911-operaatioihin … Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11 … High Temperature Aftermath: ONLY Nuclear Bombs and the China Syndrome Fit All the …
Obviously the official story of 9/11 is false (actually, ludicrous). It has not yet been conclusively shown how the Twin Towers were brought down, but as to whether nukes were used please see WTC Destruction & High Temperature Aftermath: ONLY Nuclear Bombs and the China Syndrome Fit All the Evidence.
@EVERYBODY: FYI – summary of my personal conclusions
1) Pentagon: agnostic. dunno what hit it.
2) Flight 93. Shot down. No heroic passengers.
3) WTC1/2/7: controlled demolition
4) Who planted the explosives?: http://www.911truth.org/demolition-access-to-the-world-trade-center-towers-part-one-tenants/
4) who done it?: US deep state using Israelis in the execution
5) how?: al-Qaeda was/is a tool of the CIA. They did prepare an attack on the US and they did execute it. The planes terminal guidance was not controlled by human pilots. Planes did really hit WTC1/2 but they did not bring down the towers. Explosives did.
6) Who knew? Not Bush, but Cheney yes.
7) Where OBL & co. in the know? Nope – they were patsies.
8) Do the Russians and others know? Absolutely. They just made the decision to remain quiet about this.
Kind regards,
The Saker
Hi Saker…why would Russia remain quiet about this if they did know the true events – would that not imply being complicit? Tarek
Agree with your article/analysis. One of the big issues is the near free-fall speed of each collapse, implying little or no resistance from the underlying (seemingly undamaged, prior to its collapse) structure. The implication of that is a very well timed sequential demolition, floor by floor. Not a major event like a mini-nuke. One of the main towers started to tilt to one side near the beginning, then it straightened out, collapsing into its own footprint. Amazingly fine control of the demolition!
Other things suggesting the use of thermite devices are the cascades of incandescent material and the puffs of smoke prior to actual collapse.
John
@Saker 16:30
Yes – agree 100%
One question though, what was the much-reported large explosion in the basement of the tower(s) just prior to the collapse?
John
I remember seeing pretty credible documentation about the fact that the 3 WTC buildings that came down, as well as the Sears Tower, were prepared for demolition during construction, apparently they were required to do so by regulations at the time. I don’t seem to be able to find the main documents, but there are mentions in various places
See for example the comments to this post by one Howard T. Lewis III http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/09/architects-engineers-for-911-truth-hit-the-american-mainstream/
This guy, Howard, appears in many places and is extremely vehement about this
http://radiofetzer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/howard-lewis-iii.html
There was one Ed Ward who kept insisting on the likelyhood on some mini nuke event in the basements (which might explain the astonishing state of those basements with plenty of molten steel, described by firemen as resembling “a foundary” several weeks after the events.
http://www.rense.com/general77/wardf.htm
So many morons commenting here all of a sudden, all boosting their unscientific crap consciously or unconsciously to distract from and discredit the valid and well-known scientific solutions already widely accepted. For instance, Judy Wood’s thesis, though she has sopent the last 10 years implying it and refusing to state it, is that the towers were demolished by energy beams from orbital space weapons. She is a subsidiary of James Fetzer, who is paid to spout disinformation about everything from JFK assassination to moon landing, from the security of a university chair andI pity his students, who presumably don’t realise they’re studying inside a disinfo factory. I shall not dwell further on the torrent of garbage unleashed by this post. Let us return to reality.
Donetsk and Lugansk Republics unite in Novorossiya state
RT.com, May 24 2014
Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics have declared the creation of a union state of Novorossiya. “We have signed a memorandum on the union,” Denis Pushilin, co-chairman of the Donetsk People’s Republic, told the media. The document has been signed in the city of Donetsk by DPR PM Aleksandr Borodai and LPR head Aleksei Karyakin. People’s representatives from eight Ukrainian regions have gathered for a congress in Donetsk on Saturday, a day ahead of presidential elections. As a result of the congress, the south-eastern regions of Ukraine, where anti-government protests gained momentum, have announced creation of pro-federalization Popular Front socio-political coalition. The movement accepted a manifest vowing self-determination and protection of people from “Nazi gangs’ terror.” The coalition would involve Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Kherson, Donetsk and Lugansk regions. 9etc, more)
Dear The Saker,
http://rt.com/news/161304-donetsk-lugansk-unite-state/
An interesting turn of events today – looks like Novorossiya could become a reality :).
As mentioned yesterday, Putin and Co. are aware of what is happening and as he said – he will respect the will/decision of the people – his words were carefully chosen.
Rgds,
Veritas
p.s. in regard to the Presstv article the bit I found interesting (not 911 as I think that was demolition) was the Israeli/nuclear bit as it referred to Russian intelligence
I note that The Saker has mentioned the taboo subject of (possible) Israeli involvement in 9/11. For more on this subject see:
The Five Celebrating Israelis:
September 11th Foreknowledge and Possible Complicity
Corroborated by Evidence from FBI Investigation and Other New Information
Explanations for the enormous amount of heat that kept being *generated* underground at the site for several months after the event remains lacking. Can thermite really explain that? There is little doubt that the place remained unexplainably hot for a very long time.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=joe_o_toole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQlgzg6zR_M
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/nuclear_bombs_demolished_the_wtc.htm
Youtube banned ANNA News.
@anonymous:Explanations for the enormous amount of heat that kept being *generated* underground at the site for several months after the event remains lacking. Can thermite really explain that?
Yes, absolutely, this kind of heat without air or even under water is a sign of possible thermite use.
Rowan Berkeley said…
So many morons commenting here all of a sudden, all boosting their unscientific crap consciously or unconsciously to distract from and discredit the valid and well-known scientific solutions already widely accepted.
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Not so fast. There are NO “well-known scientific solutions” that can explain all the phenomena observed that day. Wood makes it clear that she does NOT know what produced the stuff she documents. She just shows it.
Of course the most ludicrous explanation of all, is the official explanation. That one is strictly for the birds.
@Rowan Berkeley: There are NO “well-known scientific solutions” that can explain all the phenomena observed that day.
Of course there is. Check out this website: http://www.consensus911.org and, in particular, this document: http://www.consensus911.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PDF_Consensus911_US-v4.pdf
Cheers,
The Saker
@ saker
you will never find the truth if, you ignore the facts. the towers weren’t “demolished”, they were dustified.
According to Khalezov the New York planners insisted that a demolition scheme for the WTC towers was presented before construction began in 1966 and that the designers came up with the brilliant idea of using nuclear bombs. Also according to Khalezov the planning dept agreed to having nukes installed in the basements (of WTC1 & 2; but 7?) during construction, and they were still there ready to be used on 9/11 2001 35 years later. This at least was the theory he was peddling several years ago when he first came out and did a mind-numbing 5 hour interview that can still be found on YT.
Who could possibly believe such garbage? Apparently many do. Very sad.
Khalezov is a bullshitter of the highest order, closely followed by Judy (space beam) Wood and Jim (hologram) Fetzer.
Saker,
See the following 3 hour video by Barbara Honegger where she provides evidence that a Global Hawk hit the Pentagon:
9/11 Pentagon Attack – Behind the Smoke Curtain
One can calculate approx how much thermite was used based on the iron-rich microspheres comprising about 2% of the dust. One can approximate the amount of concrete dust by calculating the volume of concrete in the 3 buildings. You also need the thermite reaction to calculate the amount of iron produced by thermite: Fe2O3 + 2 Al -> Al2O3 + 2 Fe.
A friend did the simple calculation and an enormous amount of thermite was used, but I don’t have the number in front of me.
The nuclear explosion hypothesis has already been disproven by physicist Steven Jones.
Saker said:
“8) Do the Russians and others know? Absolutely. They just made the decision to remain quiet about this.”
Saker, can you please explain why they’ve made the decision to not say the truth?
Well, unlike a certain contributor to this topic, I am simply not young enough to know everything; so, on the basis that the only fool bigger than the one who does, is the one who argues with him, I suggest us morons leave him to wallow in his omniscience.
@jc:See the following 3 hour video by Barbara Honegger
Thanks! I will watch that with great interest
@123abccan you please explain why they’ve made the decision to not say the truth?
Sure. First, they knew that they would be ignored and their evidence – if any – dismissed as propaganda. Second, why piss off the USA so badly? Third, in order to achieve what would they do that? The Kremlin is not the world policeman nor the world-wide “set wrongs right” agency so they have no reason to speak up. But of course they know, as do most politicians and government members in Europe and elsewhere.
Cheers,
The Saker
The lies is thrown right in your face!
There were no planes. see archive material and your common sense.
Planes are of Alu and dont fly through buildings like air or butter.
There were no nukes. Radiactivity for thousands of years.
NanoThermite, cordite ex etc. did the job and radio steered controlling the demolition sequence from top-down!
Ordinary Bombs should blow the basement so the rubble could fall nearly totally in the basements.
Witnesses who heard the bombs and didn’t saw any plane in the live footage but later on erased in the news.
The Bigger the lie the more people believe it.
My thinking is that many things are disproven or doubtful about 9-11.
Let physics and math rule things out
Personal theories and explanations can or can´t be true.
Very many people have put this event behind them, and don´t really care that much (cynical: after all: most of the victims were banksters; the hijackers should have flown the planes in a lot lower!)…
Many theories, many explanations… All good, as long as it makes this site not less reputable!
9/11:Israel did it.
Saker,
You know, with the exception of your #8, which never crossed either of our minds, we’ve been in total agreement with all of your conclusions for a while now. And yet, and yet, there is just something so completely chilling about reading that brief summary. I mean, really, how can anyone be shocked at what the various factions comprising our deep state do with impunity anywhere else on the planet when this is what they did on their own home turf?
Ultimately, what we’re seeing fits quite well not just with the character and decline of the Anglo-Zionist Empire (or at least the American part of it), but also with predictions of increased violence, anarchy and resource wars as a function of Global Warming. To that end, here’s a second CounterPunch piece that hits home every bit as much as that first one I posted up above.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/23/iraq-the-biggest-petroleum-heist-in-history/
Mike Whitney includes two telling quotes, one from the WSJ, “Iraq’s oil production surged to its highest level in over 30 years last month, surprising skeptics of the country’s efforts to restore its oil industry after decades of war and neglect.”
His second quote is from Dahr Jamail at Al Jazeera, “While the US military has formally ended its occupation of Iraq, some of the largest western oil companies, ExxonMobil, BP and Shell, remain.
On November 27, 38 months after Royal Dutch Shell announced its pursuit of a massive gas deal in southern Iraq, the oil giant had its contract signed for a $17bn flared gas deal. Three days later, the US-based energy firm Emerson submitted a bid for a contract to operate at Iraq’s giant Zubair oil field, which reportedly holds some eight million barrels of oil.
Earlier this year, Emerson was awarded a contract to provide crude oil metering systems and other technology for a new oil terminal in Basra, currently under construction in the Persian Gulf, and the company is installing control systems in the power stations in Hilla and Kerbala. Iraq’s supergiant Rumaila oil field is already being developed by BP, and the other supergiant reserve, Majnoon oil field, is being developed by Royal Dutch Shell. Both fields are in southern Iraq.”
Anarchy, violence and resource extraction — including commodified water (!) — coming soon to a location near you. Unless we somehow figure out how to stop it.
Ryan Dawson does some good work on 9/11, “War by Deception”. Imo, 9/11 will ALWAYS be important. It is the event that created the reality we live in today, to a large extent. That said, getting caught up in the minutiae of exactly how the towers were brought down, except to point out the disinfo, is not nearly as important as figuring out who perpetrated the crime and why. I also agree the New Pearl Harbor movie is a good source. Kevin Ryan as well.
Dr. Judy Wood is the ONLY one who has conducted an in-depth forensics study of the crime scene.
2 half a million ton buildings disappeared.
1) there was no appropriate rubble pile
2) there was no appropriate seismic footprint
3) there was little to no damage to the sub-ground floors or to the dike which holds the Hudson river at bay.
the buildings turned to dust
it’s enough you watch the actual videos of the ‘dustification’
‘Where Did The Towers Go?’
read the book or watch the video presentation in 4 parts.
> … Planes did really hit WTC1/2
Did they?
As a CG movie fx professional for over 20 years, I’m not so sure.
I highly recommend http://septemberclues.info/
Largely agree with the saker.
9/11: inside-outside job (CIA-Mossad)
– We don’t need PressTV or VeteransToday for references. We have high quality ‘sceptics’ like Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth. No speculation, just scientific reasoning. WTC-1/2/7 was controlled demolition. Then there is former Italian president and secret service expert (Gladio!) Cossiga, who said in an interview in the largest Italian newspaper that 9/11 was done by CIA and Mossad. Cossiga at the time was suffering from terminal cancer. Then there is German former cabinet minister (Schmidt government) Andreas von Buelow, the British cabinet minister Michael Meacher (Blair government) and a Japanese Parlementarian, who was allowed to make his case at prime time in speech for the Japanese parlement.
– Not entirely clear what happened at the Pentagon, but the very fact that FBI agents were sent out to confiscate dozens of surveillance videos makes it obvious that these videos would have shown us something the Feds don’t want us to see. One video however was released: no evidence of a large passenger aircraft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5SeMtoUsXY
– Mastermind: not bin Laden, nor poor 180 times waterboarded patsy KSM. Interesting candidate: Dov Zakheim. PNAC signatory (the document with refs to a ‘new Pearl Harbor’). Was CEO of a company named SPC that is specialised in remote control of airplanes. During 9/11 he was Pentagon comptroller, in charge of finding out what had happened to the famous mission 2 trillion $ (Rumsfelt announcement on TV, 10 Sep 2001), that went missing under the responsibility of the very same Dov Zakheim years earlier. The comptrollers who were to evaluate the books were killed because of the Pentagon crash. Obviously, Zakheim was not there, that morning, just like WTC owner Silverstein was not present, as he usually was in the restaurant on top of WTC. Neither were his two children. Story: dentist/doctor. Sure. Hypothesis: something went wrong with remote control and F77 was shot down over the Atlantic. The Feds needed to improvise with a missile/flyover and confiscation of videos. The Pentagon was wired for explosion anyway.
– Purpose 9/11: creation of a ‘terrorism meme’, that should function as a pretext to invade any country at will, as well as introduction of the Patriot act, as a stepping stone of turning the US into a totalitarian state, the next USSR.
– Why was WTC7 demolished? Reason: embarrasment. The building was wired for demolition, just like WTC-1/2. Little problem: the plane (F93) did not show up, because it was shot down. There was acutally an eyewitness, the pilot of the plane that shot down F93, a Eric Gibney, flew close to F93 and noticed that everybody on board was unconscious/dead. The local commander on the ground, who was not in the plot and saw on television what happened in NYC, ordered the shoot down. Source: interview Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre with Alex Jones: http://911notes.blogspot.nl/2009/05/pilot-who-shot-down-flight-93.html?zx=777f3eb4007c6f0d
– Agree that Cheney was in operational control on that morning, while idiot Bush was reading a book to toddlers. But the idea was in the heads of zionists and so was the execution.
– One of the best pointers to Israel were the socalled ‘dancing Israelis’. They were celebrating the attacks in progress with lighters and high-fiving, while thousands were dying in the background. Thanks to an attentive lady (‘Maria’), who called the police, these criminals were arrested for several weeks, until pressure from above (Khertoff, Dershowitz) forced the police to release them.
Dutch
Putin sharply raises the stakes. By the way, the violence in the Ukraine came from the West, Putin only advantage of a mistake of the West. Exactly as it should be in judo – using the power of the enemy and miss. West got on their own forks. Now Lavrov West can belabour this violence and this monopoly as he pleased. Him no one would dare argue, except that Psaki again something sort will be issued.
Putin realized that he put Europe to its knees , and she was totally exhausted , frightened as she spilled human blood, now carrying losses from its own sanctions , no longer has any desire and will to resist. Merkel against the sanctions , and the voices of European business sound louder . Americans also see that they did not manage to do in Ukraine. Multiples disproportionate loss results indicate that it is necessary to curtail campaign clearly broken off teeth on Putin. American business is extremely dissatisfied . what’s going on and is ready to send to hell the federal government . Need to accept the outcome of the confrontation just awesome . Stand against both the EU and the U.S. may not be able to even China , but Russia could .
http://contrpost.com/index.php/108-russia/18329-putin-rezko-povyshaet-stavki
I never followed 9/11 much. I like looking into things about 50 years after the event (like Pearl Harbour archives only opened in 1995, stuff from Russian archives about WWII etc.) because when too close to present hard to separate wheat from chaff.
That said, I remember having a surprisingly unpleasant argument with American dinner guest 2 days after 9/11 when I suggested it was false flag. It’s been so long I can’t even remember why I felt it, but I did.
Anyway, at some point I read about how the buildings had been re-wired for demolition for two insurance reasons:
a) neighbouring building premiums were raised because of risk of planes hitting WTC and causing damage and they wanted the ability to collapse into footprint if that happened and
b) the buildings were slated for demolition because of asbestos violations.
I don’t know if either of these things are valid but suspect that there was a business-case justifiable pretext for getting those buildings pre-wired for free-fall.
Which is then what happened. Clearly WT7 was collapsed. That being the case, it is no big stretch to imagine/accept the others being similarly collapsed.
As to mini-nuke, I believe it possible in the sense that it could have been a test. Like whoever did this knew there was a great opportunity to test out a mini-nuke in the midst of a massive skyscraper collapse event which would camouflage any problems with it.
As to green-glass etc.: the same thing happened in Dresden, which was a low-tech (high intelligence) fire bombing operation. So that is a function of heat.
Lastly, one could look at the whole thing from the pov of being an ordinary commercial scam (which I don’t think is the whole picture but..), namely:
Silverstein buys buildings he knows are going to be condemned.
He pre-wires them.
Then engineers a terrorist attack to have them collapsed, in return for which he gets insurance compensation instead of having to pay himself.
Great scheme. It works on that level. Then it works for Deep State /USG operatives by giving pretext for war to perpetuate with unseeable cyber-space enemy.
And if the insurance co. is one of the banking cartel biggies, it’s just a paper loss anyway compensated by the bailout not so long after.
Win-win.
http://www.drjudywood.com/towers
If you have read about Nicolas Tesla and his free energy then you will find Dr Woods theories credible.
If you characterize the credibility of Khalezov as unknown, ok, and what he writes is clearly very heavy stuff.
What gives him some credibility in my eyes is that he uses arguments. The first time I have heard about nukes I found the very idea completely off, but after reading him I’m no longer sure.
Last but not least: The use of nukes according to Khalezov was a special form of controlled demolition. Thus, there is no contradiction between controlled demolition and nukes.
As I mentioned on the previous thread, we have a perfectly acceptable structural engineer’s account of exactly how the towers were demolished, namely by means of a very large number of military grade cutting charges attached to all the 47 core columns every 30 feet or so (3 stories approx) by sappers working from inside the lift shafts. This combines with the ‘thermate’ theory to produce an adequate explanation for what occurred and what was observed. This solution has been available for years, and people who insist on rattling on about nukes are just disinformationalists – often involuntary ones, because they are seduced by the sensationalism of the various nukes theories, none of which is scientifically valid and most of which are anonymously sourced.
The question of why no other country immediately blew the whistle is indeed an interesting one. I had the impression at the time that Dugin and presumably some others attempted to put some pressure on the Kremlin to say publicly that the 9/11 event was a phony, staged affair, but it refrained from doing so, and I see this as evidence of Pres Putin’s rather pathetic delusion that Russia could and should be a member of the bourgeois club of respectable nations, all of whom could be trusted to keep one anothers’ secrets.
He still suffers from this bourgeois illusion, and hence his continual efforts to reinforce over and over again the idea that Russia is acting ‘responsibly’ and ‘cannot understand’ why Usaia fails to reciprocate. He just doesn’t psychologically have the ability to see that reality does not conform to the bourgeois myth of how it ought to be. He thinks there should be a sort of Congress of Vienna type accord among the bourgeois nations to jointly protect the bourgeois world against Napoleon type upstarts.
But that was 200 years ago; that is to say, it was before Jewish apocalyptics gained control of the Usaian foreign policy machinery, and by apocalyptics I mean that Jewish world policy is guilty of exactly what it constantly accuses ‘the ayatollahs’ of: a desire for a world apocalypse, accompanied by a fantasy that their god will either save them from its effects or better still create a new, Edenic world, for them and them alone. They want the end of the world, as the phrase is conventionally understood. Putin doesn’t get that. The fact that he has and has always had a whole squad of Lubavitchers led by the oleagenous Berel Lazar whispering nonsense into his ear, does not help.
I don’t believe the nuke story either. Chris Bollyn is THE 9/11 investigator who arrived at Israel as the perpetrator. Her is his response to the article by Duff:
http://bollyn.com/#article_14718
For me, Bollyn is closest to the truth.
Dutch
@Rowan Berkeley
I’d like to see some explanation as to how a thermite/thermate reaction can be self-sustained to keep on generating heat for 5 months even after they dump huge amounts of water, then sand on that ground. All experiments I’ve seen show a thermite reaction do its thing pretty quickly. Its job is to produce high heat for a short time, then it exhausts itself and it’s gone. Where are these thermite reactions that last 5 months? Where do they occur? Where have they been documented?
I was actually home watching TV that morning and saw the second jet hit. Also, numerous people were interviewed live that morning during the entire tragedy, and they agreed that planes hit both of the twin towers. And there is photographic evidence for both plane/tower collisions. So stop the nonsense about no planes and planted explosives.
A 767 fully loaded weighs a little less than 400,000 lb (180,000 kg), its momentum is so large that it can easily slice through a building, as they did.
These planes were fully fueled for a cross country trip, and the jet fuel they carried started a huge fire. The resulting collapse is entirely expected because the structural steel has a much smaller strength when heated to hundreds or thousands of degrees. Also, the form of the collapse, pancaking is expected because there are no lateral forces.
The building collapses have been thoroughly reviewed by a committee of eminent structural engineers, and their report is available. There are no mysteries. The official story is the true story.
Posting the numerous nonsensical statements above only serves to destroy the credibility of posts on this blog concerning the Ukraine.
Sad to see that Saker has been taken in by the 911 truther myths.
There was nothing that happened on 911 that cannot be explained by common sense physics. Counterpunch had a pretty good series by Manuel Garcia on the rational scientific explanation on the buildings collapse. Links to that series is at: http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/28/debunking-the-myths-of-9-11/
From the point of view of the psychopaths who pulled that off, you have to say it was a masterpiece. It was in fact the greatest feat of mass disinformation in history. Of course they did not fool everybody, but that’s irrelevant. They fooled enough people long enough to pull it off, meaning that by now it is already too late even if some miraculous revelation were to occur that convinced the majority of the population it was an inside job. The point is, it would change nothing.
From the point of view of those who did it, it is the ultimate thrill, knowing they can pretty much get away with anything.
The probability of any kind of “revolution” in the US would be viertually zero. For it to occur, it would first have to overcome the enormous mental robotization of the security forces, including most people in the lower ranks of the Armed Forces. We are not dealing with Ucranian soldiers here, who have not yet been subject to such amount of brainwashing and therefore refuse to attack their own people. US security goons would have no qualms whatsoever vaporizing buildings occupied by so called “terrorists”. All you have to do is see what they have already done. In for example Philadelphia in 1985: http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/47
Or in Waco, TX about 10 years later.
It really is a sick country.
Inside job 100%Controlled demolition using explosives thermite and probably some other stuff we don´t know about.
large bombs in the basement to undermine the foundations.
A most spectacular precise and amazing feat of technology to bring those buildings down and blame the boggie man Osama Bin Zilla.
– The explosives and nuke theories don’t explain burned out cars, discovered some distance from the building as pointed out in Dr Judy Wood’s compilation of evidence.
– Planes theory doesn’t explain how planes could travel at the reported speeds close to sea level without breaking apart, how airplanes could penetrate hard steel columbs and concrete or why the wings and tail could not be seen snapping off on collision.
– Steven E Jones who popularized the thermite theory has a track record as a professional shill and has put out disinformation in several of fields, including, most prominently, his “contribution” to science in his role ensuring cold fusion technology never received research funding.
Not sure what was said about fallout readings after the buildings came down, but it would be irrelevant to the greater point. If someone conspired to blow up those buildings it wouldn’t matter if they used nukes or match heads.
I think that the author of WELCOME TO TERRORLAND, available as a PDF file here:
http://www.madcowprod.com/appendix/01.pdf
is on the right track. No arguments about what knocked the buildings down, but covers the story of Mo Atta in Florida, Huffman Aviations where Atta allegedly learned to fly airliners into buildings, and the connections. For ex, while Atta was matriculating one of Huffman’s planes was busted in Orlando, FL with 43 pounds of heroin. That’s what’s considered heavy weight in the drug business. No one, not the pilot, not the owner of the plane, was busted for that. No one from the DEA or FBI came down to Huffman and poked around the office.
Think about it. Who in America has the pull to walk away from 43 pounds of heroin? Who has the power to cut off any criminal investigation? Not a wild-eyed terrorist from Saudi Arabia.
Well, if you’re going to go all conspiratorial, Russia had as much to gain from 9/11 as any other possible perpetrator. Kill approximately three thousand Americans in the heart of America’s financial district and suck America into a costly and futile invasion and occupation of Afghanistan to return the favor Charlie Wilson and Brzezinski delivered to the Soviets in the late seventies and early eighties.
And then, of course, there are the Boston Bombings which has Russian handiwork written all over it. If there is any merit to these theories, Russia deserves to be nuked by the American people for their acts of war. If the U.S. government has knowledge that Russia was behind these attacks and has done nothing, they are traitors to their people and complicit with Russia in acts of war against the American people when they’ve been granted the privilege of representing and protecting the lives and interests of Americans.
That’s if we’re going all conspiratorial, which of course this thread is doing.
Former German Defence Minister Andreas von Bülow Speaks on 9-11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bDs1EVYDSc
I also would like to see a new more truthful 9/11 commission with a new emphasis on the involvement of the KSA and the gross failures of the US intelligence agencies. I doubt we will ever revisit this tragedy because some of the omissions are too embarrassing and we have a New World Order to construct.
The collapse of the towers and bld.7 is another topic best explained by the NIST report and the NOVA program. All of the alternate theories have been debunked by structural engineers, chemists and others but they persist with no resolution and absolutely no proof.
Could this inability for some people to accept reality be the result of living under an authoritarian regime who’s power is suppose to guarantee our safety which 9/11 exposed as an illusion.
I know it’s nearly impossible to believe that the world’s only Superpower could be humiliated by 19 foreigners with box cutters but it happened. Millions of people watched as these normal appearing men flew airplanes into two giant phallic symbols of US power and exceptionalism and then we watched impotently as these symbols shrank into the ground.
@ jc
“This would explain everything I’m aware of, including why Cheney gave the order not to shoot down the aircraft (probably a Global Hawk) approaching the Pentagon. Bush and Cheney are just politicians, aren’t that bright, and they weren’t in office long enough to plan anything of this magnitude. Of course after they realized what happened they could be blackmailed to do whatever the shadow government desired.”
jc, Cheney (and Rumsfeld) started the ‘shadow gov’t’ decades… Cheney has had his finger in the pie so to speak since Nixon’s administration.
See the following:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/07/13/inside-dick-cheneys-secret-war.html
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/cityofbrass/2009/07/tricky-dick-cheney-and-the-sha.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-911-plan-cheney-rumsfeld-and-the-continuity-of-government/5320879?print=1
just a start – there are articles all over the place – try globle research also
Think tank defeated…
http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/2014/05/21-ukraine-prize-russia-west-ukraine-gaddy-ickes
LifeNews reporters released and have lande/are to land in few minutes in Grozny, Chechnya.
Ramzan Kadyrov has provided the plane and the team of negotiators, who had spent in Kiev 4 days.
There were no info leaks, in order not to disrupt the talks.
http://lifenews.ru/news/133791
BR
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All those who push the ‘explosives’ theories for 9/11 miss the real issue and the real conspiracy…. the building design was fatally flawed and incredibly vulnerable to fire.
And fire can bring down anything, not matter what it is made of, if it is intense enough and lasts for long enough. There was, just a few months later from memory, an overpass in the US (traditional reinforced concrete) that came down after a fuel tanker went on fire underneath it. Despite the thermal protection of the concrete once the reinforcing rods had heated enough and lost some strength it went down.
In fact the Towers were originally designed they were even worse, only pressure from people like the NYFD and others forced to constructors to add, at a late date, layers of asbestos to critical areas which probably extended the lives of the building for awhile.
You didn’t need to hit it with a plane to take it down, or use explosives, a few guys with petrol containers getting a good fire going across 3-4 floors and it was going to come down.
The physical damage the actual impacts created only speeded up the collapses and, tragically, damaged the central core areas.
Now unlike a traditional, reinforced concrete building, the central core only had very light shielding, so the damage created by the impact to that meant that people above the impact floors couldn’t get out. Yet another major design failure.
This was well known beforehand hence the loss of all the NYFD people, who knew they had only a very short time to put out the fire before it came down. Hence their ‘elite’ FD people trying, so very bravely, to get to the on-fire floors .. and never made it on time.
As for all those chemicals traces found… look the total Kinetic Energy of it falling approached a small nuke and large amounts of that energy turned into heat.
With the petro-chemical based equipment, furniture, carpets, wall coverings, roof tiles, etc, etc caught in a pressure cooker of extreme heat and actual physical pressure, I am sure they found traces of just about any petro-chemical (plus nitrogen, etc mixes) based compound that has ever existed.
So to repeat, the design was seriously flawed and extremely vulnerable to fire. Once 3-4 floors go really going in a fire and left to burn, it was going to come down. The airliners caused some damage that speeded the process (and damaged the vulnerable cores dooming a lot of people) and started the fire. But it was that fire the killed the buildings. There was no need for explosives.
I’ll speculate that even if they had somehow managed to put out the fires before collapse, the building would have had to be scrapped because of serious heat related structural damage.
As an addendum, the building was seriously overweight by 9/11. When originally designed and built you didn’t have a PC on every desk. Plus more people per square foot, weight of paper files and documents, etc, etc. I speculate it was anywhere from 10% to 30% heavier per floor than it was originally designed for, maybe even close to its ultimate structural limits. Even at that lower level, it would accelerate the time to collapse considerably.
davidius
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D1A7YI9U
Mega-upload is long gone. I recommend zipshare if you decide to upload again. Free to use and the files “never” expire. Max 200MB thou
The building codes have not changed…
Sounds simple, eh?
I have read about 911 and various facts and opinions. I believe it was an operation planned and executed by CIA, Mossad and MI6, a classic False-Flag operation that started the war on terror and invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, followed by Arab-spring-revolutions and war in Libya and Syria and Ukraine, threatening Iran, Russia and China.
Building WTC 7, came down in 9 sek in it’s footprints and classified as controlled demolition by professionals. WCT 1 and WCT 2 with each attacked by an airplane, had a different collapse, that looked very much as on Veterans Todays pictures. Cascading waves of concrete and smoke, same color on smoke, high temperature, dripping mold, dustification, both steal and concrete transformed into dust and transported away by wind over large area.
Well, that is my take on 911. I was also impressed how fast the president presented and congress approved the Patriot Act, very fat law, must have taken, weeks, months if not years to produce in normal cases.
I am still agnostic about what caused 911. At one point i nearly bought the controlled demolition thesis, but then i saw some of Representative Press’ videos, which i find quite compelling (i think the guy who makes these videos is on “our side” i.e. is interested in truth, not self-dellusional propaganda).
Regarding the controlled demolition of WTC7:
Firefighters knew that the building would collapse because of its structural damage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7rj5UQvlWw
Structural damage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAoRrBoPRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAoRrBoPRM
Here is playelist with videos regarding this topic from the same channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5l1LkhlVXY&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dRo-AV0ty-QWoOQhvLkTLB5
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He thinks that the real scandal is the suppression of the terrorists motive for the attack in the US media: US support for Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ncn5Q16N4&list=PLF81BB573C9C0C7B2
Saker 24 May, 2014 16:30
“8) Do the Russians and others know? Absolutely. They just made the decision to remain quiet about this.”
Some idle speculation:
One reason they might not say anything “officially” is the governments and media owned by the NWO would either ignore their claims or ridicule them. Look at how these treat what Russia says about Syria and the Ukraine for a good understanding of this.
There is also the precedent when the USSR claimed AIDS was an artificially manufactured disease. They were ridiculed by the NWO. The language barrier is very convenient for the zionazis as very few people know Russian, so it is very easy for these fascists to hide what the Russian government and media say from most of their public. RT might be changing that aspect, though, with their rising popularity. One of the main reasons zionazi-nazistan has been running their hopped up smear campaign against that network.
Another reason for Russian silence on what they know is the info is still valuable in Russian “negotiations” with those regimes involved in the attack. And/or, exposing what they know, and backing it up with the necessary evidence that would be demanded, could burn their intelligence assets and means that provided the info and damage their abilities in present and future work.
On a less “official” level, the Russians are very happy to post articles at VoR and RT on the 9/11 attack theories. Either site often has articles on the subject.
Lastly, the Russians may not have enough hard data on the attacks to make it worthwhile making an issue of it officially.
@sykes.1
Nonsense. There were no airplanes. Think! See my former post.
TV was CGI-ed.
Steel dont melt with some kerosine(at highest 800 degrees Celcius). ANd Pancaking you can you must see with naked Eye. At each pancake thers a jolt so total falldown should last 30 – 40 seconds! Each jolt needs time you know.Its just physics Newton etc.
The towers didnt collaps like a pancake NO they vaporised in mid-air!!!!
But al these is not important. Thers a lot of desinfo and misinfo to distract attention of the real questions:
1. WHo did it?
and
2. Why?
They should all brought to Justice/
How 911 was done is less important than who did it and why.
The best evidence is that Israel did it, probably in collusion with some of their American collaborators.
Israel did 911
They knew they could get away with it because of their dominance of American media and politics. After all they had probably earlier been chiefly responsible, in a similar collaboration, for the successful assassination of Kennedy.
Final Judgment
Theodore Svedberg said…
Sad to see that Saker has been taken in by the 911 truther myths.
There was nothing that happened on 911 that cannot be explained by common sense physics. Counterpunch had a pretty good series by Manuel Garcia on the rational scientific explanation on the buildings collapse.
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Comments on Manuel Garcia’s article in Counterpunch:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/g/GonzalezCommentsonGarcia.pdf
Manuel Garcia Sees Physics That Don’t Exist:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/manuel-garcia-sees-physics-that-don%27t-exist-by-kevin-ryan.pdf
Johnny,
The Patriot Act was actually prepared during the Clinton Administration. So it was just sitting there waiting…
Reasonable rumor: W.Bush/Cheney apparently used Israel to sell plutonium nuclear pits to Japan, in order to pressure China. If true, this would seem to be a violation of America’s nuclear nonproliferation laws.
Yoichi Shimatsu, formerly of Japan Times Weekly but still a bit out there, offers a coherent scenario. Read first:
http://www.rense.com/general94/secbb.htm
Iran’s PressTV picks up a column by conspiracy expert Gordon Duff:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/22/363676/us-secretly-selling-nukes-worldwide/
Although Mr. Duff’s conclusions on 9/11 may be erroneous, the other information needs to be evaluated on its own.
Whistleblower David Chase Taylor discusses at extreme length nuclear loss-of-control incidents:
https://sites.google.com/site/davidchasetaylorasylum/the-nuclear-bible/the-9-stolen-nukes
one of his most disturbing allegations is the last page, that “John Wheeler III, special assistant to Air Force Secretary during the 2007 B-52 nuke incident at Minot, [was] found dead in [a] Delaware landfill…Wheeler was the assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force in the George W. Bush Administration. It was the Secretary of the Air Force who discovered that [V.P.] Richard Cheney had set up an alternative chain of command to the nuclear weapons wing of the AF…people involved began to die mysteriously. Wheeler is only the latest casualty.”
FBI 9/11 translator Sibel Edmonds started alleging massive cover-ups at the FBI; alleged “a criminal network of Turkish, Israeli, Pakistani and American diplomats and officials conspired to steal nuclear secrets and sell them to the highest bidder in the nuclear black market”. Shut down in court by State Secrets. History at:
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-edmonds-case-nukes-for-sale-pt-2.html
comprehensive but quite long and fragmented history at:
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=sibelEdmonds
complex relationship: Israel sells some U.S. technology to China:
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=776
Carol Moore discusses Bush, Israel’s nuclear threats (sane, worth reading):
http://carolmoorereport.blogspot.com/2007/11/bush-makes-israels-samson-option-threat.html
http://carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/israelithreats.html
http://carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/
The insanity won’t stop until either Israel is convinced that it is safe and respected, or it is made to change. Paradoxically, the first would require a return to the Golden Rule “You shall neither take revenge nor bear a grudge; you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.” which would require shutting down the settlements, the ethnic cleansing, the water deprivation genocide of Gaza, and the apartheid separate military courts for the occupied territories (See http://icahdusa.org/multimedia/downloads/2012/12/is-israel-an-apartheid-state-single-page.pdf). These would ultimately result in a safer, happier, and more secure Israel.
If the President or the Vice President breaks America’s laws to take care of nuclear matters, can they be held responsible?
Cold N. Holefield 20:18
This juxtuposition of NY and Boston makes me think of US movie industry from script to special effects (a discipline not unrelated to field of military engineering). Just sayin’.
Brian
@People who believe the official version:
Can you please post something like youtube videos of buildings that collapse because of fire?
I still don’t see a reasonable explanation for WTC7 collapse.
Saker,
The reason that Russians should present the TRUTH re:9-11 is simple. They would have scores of intelligent, educated, hardworking and enterprising young Americans beating down their door for a chance to live in an honest society.
I had an interesting conversation with my son the other day. He’s in college. Engineering. He was in kindergarten on the playground and saw the smoke and fire from the Pentagon on 9-11. He has vivid memories of 9-11. I asked him “would it change anything for you if it were proven that 9-11 was an inside job”. (These are not issues he cares to discuss with me.) He said — “I guess it would mean I’d look for a job in Russia”. MANY young Americans would re-think their future in America. American Oligarchs will loose more than elections or NBA teams. They’re about to loose it ALL. Tick-tock. AGS
@Theodore Svedberg
Manuel Garcia’s “analysis” is bunk as explained by David Griscom, PhD.
Hand Waving the Physics of 9/11
Please watch this video and think what do you see. Then continue reading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anz05oLFzII
Well, I might be a crazy “conspiracy theorist”, but I see large chunks of the building (hundreds of tons?) turning into dust after falling some few hundred feet. Take a close look on those on the right, that have their path almost fully visible. Did the vast amount of the buildings turn to dust? That’s the surface pile of rubble:
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/BBE/BBEpics/before.gif
and this is the bathtub after cleaning:
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image100.jpg
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image86.jpg
Please tell me, because I’m a complete noob on this topic, what explosives turn concrete and steel into dust? And how many of it would you need to turn into dust the vast majority of WTC 1 or 2?
After 10 years of research into 9/11 and human psychology, self-awareness and so on etc, I have read what I think is more or less every 9/11 theory and as “jo6pac” said…
http://www.drjudywood.com/ This video is fantastic in that it a thick steel-antenna and more that first goes soft then turn into dust, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aoAa_B2kRuo
That taken with alot of other (check her site or a full lecture.) phenomena that day, I would agree that it suggest some exotic energy being in play, with the ability to dissolve molecules or at the atomic level.
covers the very strange aspects of the day, building 7 was very likely “normal” demolition, but the towers need some very extraordinarily theory to explain the “dust-i-fication” of metal in real time etc.
I would like to recommend at least one of her full lectures.
With this said, there is always COINTELPRO lurking around when 9/11 is discussed, so something to keep in mind, think for yourself and all that :)
I think my comment was lost somehow when I posted it.
However, in short it was about my review of 9/11 and my arrival, many years later at Judy Woods theory.
For anyone who dont know, here is a example of “dust-i-fication”, in this case steel turning very soft and then dissolving into a fine powder or dust. This taken with many many many hundres of other anomolies that day and following days, I came to the conclusion that the odds are very high of it being some kind of “exotic” energy being used to “dissolve the atomic structure” (to the best of my understanding)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aoAa_B2kRuo
I highly recommend that you watch one of her 2-3 hour lectures as they contain more or less every point she makes and you need it all because of it very few “overlapping” theoretical structure that for example all the “explosive” theories have in common etc.
Anyway, last word, wherever someone discusses 9/11, there is COINTELPRO :)
I don’t have a scientific background, but I am skeptical (in regard to the Twin Towers) that conventional explosives could create the sort of physical deformations in steel and other material that were seen in the aftermath of 9/11; or create the extreme high temperatures that lasted underground for months (assuming the evidence for this is not fake–and it does include sattellite thermal imagery from a U.S. government agency, NASA if I recall); or for that matter, turn the so much of the building into dust and create such large scale explosions. There is also a U.S. Geological Survey evidence discussed here:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/01/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/
I think it does matter how it was done, but it’s also important that
most of us posting to a site like this agree that what we saw when the Twin Towers were destroyed was not a structual “collapse.”
But you know it’s always the next tribe over that are canibals or cointelpro.