by Larchmonter445 for the Saker Blog
GLONASS + Beidou Satellite Systems are to be joined as a unitary global navigation satellite system.
It will cover well beyond Russia and China, as it will be the Eurasian satellite system.
Of course, both are global systems tuned heavily to Russian and Chinese requirements and available to any public user anywhere on Earth.
Two-thirds of world’s population will no longer be dependent on GPS or the EU’s Galileo system.
Russia’s global coverage has been in service to the entire world since 2011. It has an accuracy rating of 4.5 meters for public use. China’s BeiDou is still limited to Asia-Pacific region, but will go global in 2020. Presently, its accuracy for public use is 10 meters. But has military encrypted accuracy of 0.1 meters.
What this integration of the two systems means is extreme accuracy for geo-positioning needs in navigation, location, mapping and transportation.
There is also a plethora of military security issues that are served by the Russian-China merger of their national systems.
Picture the globe marked by a massive land area surrounded by military(s) intent on choking off trade routes, commodities, food, fuel, products and opposing navies.
That is the world according to the Hegemon.
One of the coercive tools used to control the land mass was in near Space—GPS satellites. American technology, hegemonic gatekeeping for many years.
Russia broke from the limitation of US-owned satellite system with GLONASS, its own navigation satellite system. Soon after, China began its own system—BeiDou.
While developing the Chinese version, China began to use the Russian system for tracking its shipments and transport. Concurrent with the reliance on Russian civilian technology, the Chinese have also adopted and adapted Russian military technology.
The two giant super powers are moving to integrated missile defense systems, based on S-400 systems. China has begun receiving its first units of the world-class missile defense. Having observed the use of the S-400 in Syria (its mere presence is ‘use’, for it forces the US and Israel to stand off or not fly without Russian ‘de-confliction’ permission.)
Meanwhile, in Space, the Chinese have seen the value of integration and redundancy. Thus, we have the announcement that henceforth, the GLONASS and BeiDou systems will be integrated. This adds accuracy for all the civilian and military links to navigation, location, mapping, remote sensing and security intelligence data.
Now look at the massive, mostly uncharted landmass of Eurasia.
Thousands of kilometers of deserts, mountains, gorges, cliffs, plateaus, tundra, arctic ice, rivers, lakes, inland seas, villages, towns, settlements and cities all of which are destined to be impacted by OBOR, New Silk Road, EAEU and SCO actions.
Infrastructure, like rail, roads, fiber optic and pipelines demand mapping accuracy (surveying) to millimeters. The first stage of such remote sensing can take it to 3-6 inches. On the ground, using those maps (guided by navigation satellites) the precise accuracy is made possible. Even underwater accuracy by LIDAR sensors is guided by satellites. Thus, the actual development of Belts and Roads Initiative (BRI) projects begins from Space.
What the Chinese and Russian construction engineers and project planners will use now is a highly accurate, proprietary to Eurasia, navigational system the Hegemon does not control.
Sadly, as often is the case, India is not participating, hoping to build its own or with Japan’s, an alternative system. India will benefit, nonetheless from Eurasian development. It’s flirtations and alignments with the Hegemon the sort of policy that has always left India lagging.
What is seemingly a civilian integration by China and Russia—the duo I named the Double Helix—is one of many technological integrations, most of which have military dual use or buttress military use.
The military navigation applications in current use, facilitate forces location, forces navigation, forces deployment, all weather and around the clock operations, and communication network timing.
In later presentation, I will expand on the four years of integration that has progressed with the Double Helix since my White Paper published here at the Vineyard.
Be assured that President Putin and President Xi have absolute recognition of the existential threat of containment, destabilization, use of terrorists, aggressive NATO encroachment, placement of THAAD missile systems (radars of which neutralize China’s second strike capabilities), and new aggressive basing close to Russia and China’s borders and along the intended routes of the Eurasian development.
The Russian development of the Arctic is a good place to watch this as routes and specialized ships open a safe passage for Chinese shippers. Russia is also quickly militarizing strategic locations now accessible.
The development of Russian naval forces and bases in the Asia Pacific region now link with the extensive eastern ports of China to the South China Sea (and beyond for Russia to Vietnam). As we know, Russia has a very large nuclear submarine fleet, which joined with the Chinese submarine capacity, will be a match for the enormously powerful US subsea arms. The two partner navies have exercised annually to sharpen skills and build unity, if needed.
Importantly, satellites and submarines are linked. Yes, military satellites for communications are separate from the navigational systems, but both systems work in tandem at times.
Thus, the order of battle begins in Space with navigational systems, links to aerospace for some munitions and machines, and links to land forces and naval surface and subsea vessels.
China and Russia are quickstepping their special partnership. Some items we see and hear about, others are hidden. GLONASS and BeiDou are now going to fly as brothers in arms.
Very informative. Thank you for all your hard work. Great maps too.
The double helix is nonsense, or well, it is accurate but it was stolen and remade into a nonsense, in reality it refers to Germany and Russia and was changed into China and Russia without the person making the changes having any understanding for geopolitics or simple demographics
The dubble helix or Eurasia refers to the idea of combing the vast human and natural resources of Asian Russia with the industrial technological and capital of Germany or all of W.Europe. In what Putin calls a “Greater Europe”. This would create the most powerful block on earth easily out-competing China, India or USA, both economically but also militarily.
The reason for the Eurasian concept or dubble helix as some renamed it too, is that it already exists, Russia and Germany are economically dependent on each other, W.Europe and Russia are already connected by infrastructure, their industries and population centers are geared towards each-other and located close to each-other, 90% of the Russian population lives in the European part of Russia and 90% of Russia industries are in European Russia.. Everything is already in place, including demographics, Russians and W.Europeans share similar culture, language, religion and ethnicity(You can’t tell a Russian from a Swede), all that is needed is for a few papers to be signed and Russia and Germany/EU could roar into global super-power status enjoying immense prosperity.
Here comes the problem, Germany and EU as a whole is still under the boot of USA since ww2, and USA does all it can to keep Putin’s Greater Europe from coming into being. Which is one of the reasons for the Ukrainian crisis.. And the current leadership in W.Europe is too weak to challenge USA dominion.. At-least politically, economically is another matter as you can see Nord Stream 2 is still being built despite USA pressure, W.Europe is slowly freeing itself.
And here comes the ridiculous concept of China+Russia. This is a concept where as mention earlier someone just removed Germany+Russian and pushed in China instead.. The reasons for this seems to be opportunistic and ideological.. Many culturalmarixist that have already destroyed the western world but still hate Europe and everything European now look at Russia with ideological hope, they claim that Russians are not Europeans but Asiatic mongrels(Thesakers words) which share nothing with the rest of Europe and should allow mass-Asian immigration into Russia and reorient themselves towards their Asian brothers in China… It seems after Ukraine some of these “modern leftist” jumped on the change when EU was forced to distance itself from Russia and Russia was pressured into making closer ties with China, and proclaim the “dubble helix” which is just a pure rip from earlier concept Germany+Russia execpt that China does not share the geopolitical and demographic similarities that Russia and W.Europe share.
Now this is preposterous for a number of factual ways. But lets stick to geopolitics. Russians population centers and industries and their infrastructure is focus in the European part of Russia.. And while China Russia share borders, these are desolate and empty spaces for both Russia and China, their rump regions. With almost no populations, industries and infrastructure, Russia could not even sell their products or gas made in European-Russian to China because the transport costs would make it uncompetitive. For Russia and China to benefit from each-other in a dubbel helix like Germany and Russia Russia would need to move 90% of its population, industries, infrastructure to her rump.. Not that China and Russia and China could not benefit economically from each-other, however to compared it to Germany and Russia is just laughable.
Not to mention the demographic differences where Russians and Chinese, they do not share race, religion, history culture, language and are as alien to each-other as two people can get. The only reason they work together now is because they are both under an existentialist threat from NATO. This is quite literally the only thing they share.
So to make it very clear. Eurasia/dubble helix refers to Germany and Russia at a minimum and EU and Russia at a maximum. This is not my view but the general and historical and contemporary meaning of eurasia as expressed by Putin and other leaders.
“”If we want to keep our civilization in this turbulent and rapidly changing world with growing centers of power — not only military power, but also economic and cultural — then, of course, Europe and Russia should be together,” -Putin
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201706171054728314-putin-russia-europe-together/
The motivation for China+Russia helix seems to be just pure ideological hatred for everything European and a total and utter rejection of reality. The same people supporting this idea is the same people saying stuff like “Oh, a 1000 years ago some western tribe invaded some Russia region” and using this to justify their ridiculous divisive ideology.. The irony is that this is exactly how Ukrainian Nazis motivates their “differenceness” from Russia.
I think the author of the article knows a bit more about the subject than you do, at least that’s my opinion from reading what he wrote as opposed to what you wrote.
I fail to see how ‘ideological hatred’ is shown anywhere in the posting, nor do I see ‘ridiculous divisive ideology’ anywhere I’ve been to in Russia nor do I see it in the post.
Auslander
Maybe there is some double helix with Germany.
There definitely could be, Germany is Putin’s second motherland. So for 18 years in power Putin tried to court Germany particularly and Europe in general.
Germany backstabbed.
I won’t care about “Germany is enslaved by USA/Israel/Nibiru/whatever”. It is irrelevant. The crucial question is whether Germany can build her double helix or not.
Germany bailed out of the integration. Reasons are irrelevant – they do not change the outcome.
Since Russia was denied a Helix with Germany, then Ruasia will try a Helix with China. Maybe one day Germany woukd think again and try to fit into Tripple Helix, why not.
We are waiting for Germany. Just “waiting” meams not freexing at Germany’s locked door, but doing our own business until Germany is ready for something.
Referring to land and smaller numbers of people as rump tells us who you are. You think something special happened when 9 million people got stacked on top of each other?
This is not about you blessed “population centers” and mega, unending cities (you live in one, don’t you!). This is about technology transfer and energy independence (right now, Russia is dependent on American tech just to get on the Net!), secure shipping routes outside of the Anglo-american domain, and a common security infrastructure.
It’s true many Russians are Euro wanna-bes. Many are even American wanna-bes. It’s awful to meet one! That’s what you’re saying, though? Yet the masses only count from a democratic perspective. Your fear of Asian blood mixing in is apparent. Go back to your inbreeding, then; and breed yourself out. Russia is not capable of penetrating Europe, as you suggest. They’ve lost and maybe haven’t the skill to win over even the most pitiful of punks and thumb-suckers. (Turkey, in theory, has a better chance of taking Europe.) The Merkels of the continent will never, ever betray the Anglo-saxons. She’s as loyal as the hunchback or notre-dame and looks damn-near like him. Something new, and perhaps unusual, is in order – a new double helix. China’s activities in Southern Europe are of note here.
Once upon a time Constantinople fell. From what I understand, it could have been given to your “white people” in the West. It was given to the others, the so-called mongrels (as you and the Saker call them). Nowadays, there are rainbow flags at church doorways in the West. Despite the state Constantinople is in, the East was the correct decision.
> Russia is dependent on American tech just to get on the Net
Huawei is China, Ericsson is Norway (or some other Scandinavian land).
Sorry, which SPECIFIC American tech is so desperately required to use Internet today?
Funny how people keep referring to Nordstream as some sort of “sign” that Germany will leave the empire’s fold and join Russia and China. Nordstream is nothing more that a way to facilitate a transactional gas for cash relationship: Germany needs it gas and Russia is happy to sell it to them. And even with that basic arrangement the US is having a fit.
Germany is not participating in any such project as described in this article or harmonising any system to make it compatible with Russia and China. Where is the German component of Glonass and Beidou..???
Sharing eye colour or DNA doesn’t mean a thing..Especially if those with whom you share that DNA are threatening you and have invaded your country, most recently less than 80 years ago, (not 1000s of years ago as you claim) and killed 20 million of your people.
Germany is controlled by the USA, and by the Zionazis, because it must make eternal reparation for the Nazi Judeocide, and part of that unending process is TOTAL loyalty to the Zionazis. In a healthy relationship, Germany would, indeed, always acknowledge the Nazi crimes against the Jews(and against its Roma, Polish, southern Slav, gay, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Soviet victims as well)as all such horrors (not just ONE) should be acknowledged, and solemnly commemorated, and treat living Jews with respect and friendship, but that is NOT what the Zionazis demand, not just of Germany, but of all the world. They demand obeisance, obedience and total loyalty-anything less is pure ‘antisemitism’. As Jeremy Corbyn is discovering.
The Empire’s greatest fear is an alliance between Russia and China. Its disinformation agents are furiously pushing thinly-veiled racist denunciations of Russo-Chinese co-operation, which benefits both countries, and terrifies the Empire. In an ideal world Russia would be a bridge between East and West, as Putin proposed for Ukraine when the fascist putsch was bubbling away. A friend and partner with both. And all this talk of ‘cultural’ differences etc is just Imperial ‘Divide and Rule’ tactics at their most blatant. People of different ‘cultures’ and ‘races’ are all human beings, and in this world at this moment of existential peril from the ecological Holocaust, must co-operate amicably-or die.
You can tell when you are doing something right when the Anglo Americans lash out at you, usually hiding behind their standard pretext issues, which disguise their underlying motivations.
Freedom, democracy, human rights, blah, blah, blah.
These are All-American propaganda slogans.
Behind this propaganda, the Anglo Americans soil their morbidly obese panties about any type of Russia-China cooperative development because it represents a threat to America’s global dictatorship…sorry, I mean unipolar world.
They can’t stand it.
It’s frigging hilarious watching the Americans work themselves into a self-righteous, though at base cynical, frenzy.
Since the days of the British Empire and Halford MacKinder, weakening and balkanizing Eurasia has been the Anglo Raison D’etre.
And America is no different, as it has the same agenda, as expressed by Zbig Brzezinski in his book The Grand Chessboard.
Like the British Empire, the American Empire is a sea power and is fundamentally hostile to any nation or group of nations–particularly land powers–that challenge Anglo American world tyranny.
In terms of national ideology, the Americans have a fanatical, religious-like belief that the United Snakes is the Beacon of Liberty for all of humanity and thus they have a God-given right to rule the planet.
This unofficial American state religion/propaganda defines not only the US ruling class but the American people themselves.
Deep down, they all believe that America is (snicker) a divinely-inspired Shining City on a Hill.
What Americans forget to mention is that their precious “Shining City on a Hill” is based and built on a foundation of blood, spilt from millions of people around the world….
America’s Imperial Ambition
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2002-09-01/americas-imperial-ambition
The New Geopolitics of Empire
https://monthlyreview.org/2006/01/01/the-new-geopolitics-of-empire/
Geopolitics of Empire: Mackinder’s Heartland Theory and the Containment of Russia
https://www.sott.net/article/276668-Geopolitics-of-Empire-Mackinders-Heartland-Theory-and-the-Containment-of-Russia
In my opinion this is a natural alliance. For years with Russia, and months with China, US/et al have steadily tried to isolate both with increased diplomatic and trade restrictions, international law and treaties be damned. The constant positioning of ‘defensive’ weapons, which can within minutes be made offensive, in an ever increasing ring around Russia and China points to one thing and one thing only. War.
With ever increasing pressure on both Russia and China, what else would either country do but forge an alliance? An alliance with to all intents and purposes the largest economy and population on this planet and the foremost military power is a natural reaction to sanctions and military aggression from US/nato/eu. Combining the two powers, who obviously want only peace, progress and prosperity, will lead to increasing trade and interaction between Russia and China which will benefit all countries that either border with them or are involved with trade with the two. I’m just surprised it took so long to become and real and public alignment.
Auslander
Author
Never The Last One https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCY8KK A Deep Look In To Russia, Her Culture And Her Armed Forces
Sevastopol, The Third Defense. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079KRPLS4 Book 1, A Premonition, The Move South
I also think China and Russia will succeed in this new partnership. China and Russia share the language of traditions, of wisdoms, of acceptances, latitudes, depths of welcoming unknown to the Western man. China is many peoples. The same is true of Russia. At Ruler level both countries are reliable. Russia and China will develop the East. A deal has been struck for a 1000 years. The World Island is being secured. The troublesome peninsula will either be a glass bowl or a cornucopia. The new variable radiators have switches elsewhere. For the first time in history May’s backside appeals. Everyone is delighted.
Thank you Larchmonter for the fabulous maps…! ! !
I second that motion!
Maybe related, maybe not, but quite a few US aircraft have crashed in recent days.
But, no diplomat has died yet from unexpected illness or shot…
“While developing the Chinese version, China began to use the Russian system for tracking its shipments and transport”
Their person tracking system will be even better https://www.caseyresearch.com/doug-casey-on-the-coming-comfortable-dystopia/
Justin: Doug, I have a lot of questions I want to ask you today. But can you first tell me what a social credit system is?
Doug: Well, Americans are familiar with credit ratings that they get from companies like Experian. These ratings judge one’s ability to get credit, pay bills and such.
China is rolling out something similar, but vastly more comprehensive, and on a national scale. They’ll judge much more than your financial capabilities. It rates people based on where they live, what kind of car they drive, what they say or do on social media, their educational background, their political views, their friends. You name it. Social engineers are quite devious about these things.
And it’s fiendishly clever for the Chinese government to do this. A high social score gives a citizen lots of benefits and privileges. A low score penalizes you in many ways. People will start competing to be good little lambs. It gives them complete control over who can do what.
Justin: How can people defend themselves from this? Is there any way to opt out?
Doug: You could decide to not have an electronic presence, of course. You could disconnect, or go off the grid as they say. But that’s the equivalent of becoming a non-person. You’d be branded as antisocial, suspicious, and a possible enemy of the state. It might bring all sorts of disadvantages, like not being able to get a passport or even a driver’s license.
Justin: Yeah, not being able to board a plane or train due to a bad social credit rating is already terrifying. But I’m wondering how far China’s government will take this.
Doug: Well, I haven’t been to China in several years. So, I’m relying on press reports. But they’re saying that there are already millions of people involved in China’s social credit system, and it’s quite believable. This is happening already—it’s not science fiction.
And neither is it surprising. China’s very computerized; most people now use their smartphones, not credit cards or—god forbid, cash—to pay for things. Just as in the US, where many people Google others to find out about them, so do the Chinese.
This is a computer-driven phenomenon, and therefore advancing at the rate of Moore’s Law. The phenomenon will get much bigger. And not just in China.
It will impact whether people get jobs or promotions. It will quickly find its way into online dating. People with low social credit ratings will be looked upon as deadbeats. Others will disconnect from them, because having a link with someone of low rank will reduce your own rank.
This seems to me how the Western hemisphere is using this technology. Yes, I mean using it right now hidden behind private corporations. At least it is out in the open in China. Frankly, I know next to nothing about Chinese or much of Russian culture but to mold it on the Western psychology seems wrong. The only thing the Western hemisphere is interested in is being a perfect predator, why project that onto other countries as the standard of thinking/being? As far as I’m concerned Westerners don’t know values if it bit them in the arse and should stop projecting their valueless world onto other cultures as gospels of truth.
Technologies bring a lot of dangers but I don’t see any population diminishing the use of all those goodies of convinience anywhere on the globe especially in the Western hemisphere! The addictiveness to those goodies gets hardly discussed and is the core problem to begin with.
” At least it is out in the open in China.”
Welcome to the multipolar world.
I know. India tried, and could not pull it off. So south Asia is pole-less.
The west has been using ‘divide and conquer’ for centuries, the missionaries are simply the tip of the bayonet and have always been followed with the flash from the muzzle and the butt of the rifle.
The Tai Ping rebellion was one of the most destructive in history and was fomented and supported by missionaries. China is seeing the same pattern except today it is western ‘culture’), fomented through university students (Tiananmen Square/Umbrella revolution/Taiwan). This is a mechanism designed to combat those influences.
Great update on the Double Helix. Cheers, Larchmonter.
While Russia was ruled by Yeltsin, analysts were predicting a Russian/Chinese partnership. While this partnership is not an actual alliance, it is something very close to it from the economic, political, military and scientific point of view. The joining of these two satellite systems will strengthen this partnership even more. Eurasia is certainly the future. It’s power was realized in the 19th century by the British geographer Halford Mackinder and confirmed by Brzezinski. Both wanted to prevent it’s rise. At the most, they achieved temporary prevention’s. However, there is now no doubt that the 21st century will be the century of Eurasia. Yes, the Western elites will try to prevent this, using dishonorable methods, like that absurd false flag in England, but they will fail. O fcourse, it will take time for them to accept reality.
The initial plan was for China to join the EU Galileo system but the EU didn’t agree to let China join them.
The Russia/China GPS system will make a big dent in the GPS market. China is set to capture a big part of it.
If this concept is carried into other sectors we could see two parallel global economic systems. Not a good sign.
Too bad India chose not to join. They will regret hanging on to the coat tails of the Hegemon. It will be all cost and no benefit for India.
The Indian elite are more interested in waging caste war on lower castes in India, sucking up to Israel and the USA, suppressing the Kashmiris and the various ‘Naxalites’ and kidding themselves that they are going to surpass China. When anthropogenic climate destabilisation really hits home, with glacier-fed rivers drying up, the monsoon becoming erratic and ‘wet bulb’ temperatures passing the level of human metabolic tolerance, regimes like that of Modi and his Hindutva thugs, will have no idea how to cope.
jiri
India to me is an enigma. It is balancing between the East and the West. While this might have been a temporary necessity, it is not wise in the long run. India better make up it’s mind.
Here is an excellent source for analysis on the Indian and related world events. May help to shed light on the enigma.
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/author/bhadrakumaranrediffmailcom/
The great majority of the people in India are extremelly poor. You see them using the roads as toilets all over the country. It is a mess. The government does what the millionaires and billionaires want them to do.
“The government does what the millionaires and billionaires want them to do.”
No difference in China:
http://www.atimes.com/article/communist-party-get-rich-still-glorious/
“…More than 200 of China’s legislators hold individual wealth nearly equivalent to Belgium’s annual GDP, according to a report released at the start of the Communist Party’s annual parliamentary session.
A key focus of the sessions is eliminating poverty and creating a “moderately prosperous society”, a project President Xi Jinping has frequently cited as a national priority in a country that suffers from a gaping chasm between the rich and poor.
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The opening of the National People’s Congress (NPC), China’s rubber-stamp legislature, will be held Sunday, with the country’s economic elite and top leaders rubbing shoulders for some two weeks in the imposing corridors of the Great Hall of the People, situated off Beijing’s Tiananmen Square.
Out of the more than 5,100 delegates to these two assemblies, 209 possess individual wealth of more than 2 billion yuan ($290 million), Shanghai-based luxury magazine publisher the Hurun Report said in a survey.
More than 100 of the wealthy individuals are members of the NPC, and 97 are from the CPPCC.
According to the survey, their cumulative assets tallied “almost 3.5 trillion yuan” ($507 billion) — nearly equivalent to the annual GDP of countries such as Belgium, Sweden or Poland.
The majority of the wealthy delegates were businessmen, rather than politicians who had spent their careers within the party apparatus.
Among them are the heads of internet giants, such as Pony Ma of Tencent and Robin Li of Baidu, smartphone maker Xiaomi’s CEO Lei Jun, and Zong Qinghou, head of soft drink producer Wahaha.
Despite a large-scale anti-corruption campaign launched in 2013 by President Xi to clean up the Communist Party’s ranks, the heads of private businesses remain welcome in the cavernous halls of power as Beijing seeks to rebalance its economy towards domestic consumption and the services sector.
Nevertheless, some wealthy entrepreneurs could be tempted to keep a low profile this year as the Communist Party ups its attacks on real estate “speculators” and “financial crocodiles”.
While Xi has pledged to lift more than 45 million people out of poverty by 2020, his time in office has already been exceptionally good for the country’s wealthiest politicians.
While the economy as a whole has expanded at a rate of under seven percent in recent years, the legislature’s 100 or so dollar billionaires have seen their cumulative wealth jump 64 percent since 2013 when he assumed the presidency, Hurun said.
Atimes, means Asia Times, means ‘Spengler’ ie Goldman, a Zionazi ultra and ENEMY of China, because China will NEVER be controlled by the Zionazis in the manner that they control the West. You need sources that are not so ridiculously biased.
“You need sources that are not so ridiculously biased”
If the message is true, the source is irrelevant.
Psychopaths tend to rise to the top. CHINA IS NO DIFFERENT IN THIS REGARD. Rose tinted glasses are not helpful in this situation
“Atimes, means Asia Times, means ‘Spengler’ ie Goldman, a Zionazi ultra and ENEMY of China”
The survey results, which the article refers to, were widely reported (try Yandex). They were compiled by Rupert Hoogewerf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Hoogewerf
From which:
“Hoogewerf was awarded the ‘Person of the Year Award’ in 2002 by Neweekly magazine and in September 2009 was presented with the Magnolia Award.[citation needed] Named after Shanghai’s official flower, the Magnolia Award is the highest honor bestowed by the city on foreigners.”
Are we, according to your narrative, expected to believe Rupert is also “a Zionazi ultra and ENEMY of China”?
It’s not roads, its footpaths and open spaces. I have lived in India.
This is my take regarding India:
First and foremost India is still a British colony, like Canada, Australia and other members of the “British Commonwealth”.
Second, China’s political and economic system being in the hands of Communist Party has an enormous advantage over barbaric system in India.
On the other hand, if you ever watched Bollywood movies you can see this “anglo culture” where they continuously mix hindi-anglo wardage. Just sick, and they think it’s fashionable. The saddest thing is that huge majority of Indian population does not even speak “anglo”.
>> Sadly, as often is the case, India is not participating, hoping to build its own
> Too bad India chose not to join. They will regret hanging on to the coat tails of the Hegemon
Sorry, but how can India “join” a GPS programme without having its own GPS ? What it would have to add?
Now, if you would argue that Modi’s India tries to raise tensions with China, slowing down OBOR, and that makes her “hanging on to USA” – I would tend to agree. However I fail to see how is it related to GPS.
Right here and now, April 2018, what real thing, apart some token gesture without substance, could India add into the already working Russian and/or Chinese GPS constellations?
Maybe Pakistan is joining their GPS with Chinese one? Or Philippines? Or New Zealand?
That is it. Whether India would help Russia-China projects or slow them, it would not be about GPS, it would be something else where India has some substance. Like leasing land for building roads and railroads, for the most easy example. That would mean a lot. Like helping Iran with gas transportation to China. Like building more NPPs and helping to build pan-Asian joint electric grid.
For another example, co-developing BrahMos with Russia was a real thing indirectly aiding China-Russia alliance.
India and GPS is just a non-issue.
Joining the two system doesn’t make any sense from a technical standpoint, gpsworld.com says this is “Fake News” that maybe started as April Fools story on RT: http://gpsworld.com/fake-news-hits-gnss-industry-with-glonass-beidou-merger/
Russia & China did sign a space cooperation treaty last year and there is talk of the Russian space station module joining the Chinese station they are going to be building this decade because the US refused to extend the life of ISS.
If you guys need a space news editor to vet submissions on this issue I am up for the job, I won’t let stuff like this pass.
I would also like to add that iPhone 8 has the GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, and QZSS receivers (US, Russia, EU and Japan made), source: https://www.apple.com/iphone-8/specs/
I am sure Chinese-made phones have all those plus BeiDou.
The receivers are very cheap, small and easily integrated. Your phone can in theory use multiple system for improved accuracy but in reality you wouldn’t get that much of a boost, the advantage of having multiple receivers is the better coverage not accuracy.
If this is not an April Fools story then maybe what is really going on is that Russia & China are sharing their encrypted military bands with each other to make sure that their ships, planes and cruise missiles hit their targets even if one of the two system is disabled or suppressed.
I might be wrong about this and gpsworld.com might be also wrong, but then again this article didn’t provide a single link to either Russian or Chinese government or official websites about this very important step.
…there was a funny (though very expensive) trick Russia used to force Qualcomm (read: half the new phones and tablets) to make GloNaSS GPS supported.
It, granted, involved a lot of money and one Chinese factory (ZTE), but the “market penetration”, if free GPS is a market, was but instant :-D
@Anon
But, joining the focus and management of the 2 systems make absolute sense if one has followed the trajectory of the world in the last 10, even 25 years. Data sharing or a level of systems integration would make perfect sense and can even leave 2 systems operating independently. I am not saying that the focus is that … in fact, I don’t know what the focus is because we’ve had very little press or even statements from the two governments on this development. It is obviously very early.
Reason for that is clear, if one reads: “The countries will reportedly negotiate the merger in May at the International Conference on Advanced Technologies in Manufacturing and Materials Engineering in the Chinese city of Harbin, Izvestia daily reports.
We do not know how Izvestia reported this, as RT has no link so, from the outset it is clear of course there is no ‘article’ available. Was it reported on some kind of television? Did one journalist tell the other? I don’t know, but the fact that some written work is not available for a planned conference in May, is not something where one throws out the baby with the bathwater. If you are really inquisitive, you would write to both and ask for sourcing.
The article that you quote from gps world is a hit piece on RT and a hit piece on China and a hit piece on Russia, with the expected Western sarcastic, arrogant and contemptuous efforts at superiority in technical matters foremost. I mean, How can backward China and Russia even think they can do these sophisticated technological systems?. Read it and weep!
Check out that final take-away: It may be as well henceforth to take everything from Moscow with several barrels of salt. Nothing technical here, just a swipe at Moscow.
As far as the veracity of such a move, many that read TheSaker and many that follow the geo-political moves in our world today, would not doubt for one moment, that there are moves afoot as we see it in military matters (and this is a military matter to be sure), in economic matters and in matters of technology, in matters of cultural sharing as well as simple support, one for the other. In fact, most that read here would find it strange if combinations or sharing of the two systems, or technological integration or some kind of joint effort was *not* on the table or being discussed at this stage of the game.
So, anon, I respectfully suggest that you are quoting a little bashing from the West, that has become ubiquitous, pervasive and wall-to-wall.
Dear amarynth,
Yes the gpsworld.com article is not as I first thought a simple fact-checking article, but they are right that RT does not provide sources and sounds a bit unbelievable; you can’t deny that people who cover sat. nav. systems daily are better suited to judge such things. I did add that they might be wrong in my second comment.
You write a lengthy reply but still no official sources, fine maybe this leaked before they were ready to announce it, but your answer come across as really weak when my original objection that this article is source-less.
You write a whole paragraph about the personal views of the readers of this site, I would respectfully suggest that you don’t speak for the whole readership and even if they thought such things that would not make them right and I am not bound by the expectation of any one or any group. Indeed you seem to suggest group-think and appeal to it for validation of your argument!! certainly this website started as a reaction to the group-think mentality in the West and would not benefit from forming it’s own enclosed enclave. All opinion should be heard.
“I respectfully suggest that you are quoting a little bashing from the West, that has become ubiquitous, pervasive and wall-to-wall.”
That would restrict me to RT and Sputnik and other Russian based English-language outlets….I don’t think so, certainly when their reporting standards (RT and friends) are not up to snuff, it’s sad but true they report rumors and wishful thinking as fact on a daily basis, mix facts with opinions. Please don’t resort to ‘what about’ fallacies, I don’t care if western media does the same I stopped listening to western media back in 2003 as US tanks were amassing in Kuwait.
As I noted in my first comment, both countries are working together, all indications seems that this will deepen. As to this specific story I’ll wait for the complete press release from the official organs in Russia and China about the exact level of cooperation or integration between their sat. nav. systems.
I consider this subject exhausted, I will not read or reply to any other multi-paragraph opinion or attempt at suppressing my voice. If you have links to sources then please post them otherwise farewell and goodbye.
Dear anon,
Youre taking it too serious, relax and have fun!
Come on ‘Anon’- ‘fess up. You’re Nick Cohen, right. The trade-mark ‘Fraudian’ projection and inversion of reality is trade-mark. Almost as barking mad as today’s ‘Fraudian’ editorial, doubling-down on the Russophobe lies, in the name of ‘liberal values ‘ie lying, hypocrisy and pathopsychological projection.
https://iz.ru/722968/evgenii-deviatiarov-nikolai-surkov/rossiia-i-kitai-sozdaiut-obedinennuiu-sistemu-sputnikovoi-navigatcii
> We do not know how Izvestia reported this
they claim they talked with RosKosmos representative
I searched Chinese news, and all I see now are Russian reports. The Chinese reports are now deleted with empty title only, I did remember I read one of the article a few days ago. Maybe some of the details still to be ironed out? no one knows. But the reports of what Russian said about merger are still there and quoted in Chinese news too. We will see. I do not think it is a fake news.
I appreciate your comments J and your effort to find a credible source for this story, I don’t think the readers should take it upon themselves to research the content of this site, which is usually very well sourced, but sadly that’s where we find ourselves.
You might want to research a bit before you run your riff against.
https://sputniknews.com/science/201612191048723057-russia-china-glonass-beidou/
2016–two years ago.
By the way, The Double Helix I laid out to the world in 2014 was not challenged anywhere. And it went around the globe via the White Paper translations in many languages. It also was published widely on many famous blogs, as well quoted for years thereafter, some quite recently.
I appreciate your interest. Hope the facts now help you correct your path to enlightenment.
Carry on.
Well Larchmonter445 if you are such a great researcher why didn’t YOU research and source your article and explain exactly what is meant by “joining” the two sat. nav. systems before posting?!
As I said above RT & Sputnik are NOT credible sources, I want press releases from OFFICIAL organs either from China or Russia, clearly no such thing exist because either this “joining” is still in the conception stage (and might never happen at all) or they are not joining and just extending their cooperation to this sector (as I noted above they signed a space cooperation treaty last year).
“Hope the facts now help you correct your path to enlightenment.”
Yeah…(Removed by Mod – personal attack on the author) Again I offer my services as a space news editor, I’ll check & re-check anything submitted on this issue before publication.
I appreciate the Moderators keeping the commentary section from descending into personal attacks but the Mods did not censor Larchmonter445 highly condescending tone (“run your riff”, “correct your path”) to me and I only expressed my personal aversion to him, it might have sounded harsh but I am feeling put upon by all the other commentator who are outright dismissing my legitimate questions about the nature and extent of the “joining” announced in this article without any official sources to back their views.
Again I appreciate the effort of Moderators to keep it civil, but would like to see more equal application of their standards.
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This Moderator:
Sometimes I sleep and someone else mods – live with it.
Over and above that – we are folk who help out so your comment can go up timeously. As far as I know none of us are professional editors and I certainly don’t go and read all prior posts to see what someone else has allowed through or not. I hope that satisfies your complaint. If it doesn’t raise another complaint and I’ll send it to The Saker.
Let’s try this again, shall we.
“As I said above RT & Sputnik are NOT credible sources”
Yes they are when their material is not sourced to or repeat of a zionazi-gay media report.
Hey Mr. Space News Anonymous,
If you are such a great researcher, how did you miss this from years ago. 10 Feb 2015.
http://geodesist.ru/threads/russia-china-sign-satellite-navigation-agreement.38352/
The Double Helix has been at this for years. Source? Read closer my 49 sources in my White Paper.
Or more than 700 articles I’ve posted on China on a news aggregation site.
You are in over your big Anonymous head running your mouth.
Write an article and lets see your stuff.
And get a specific name, instead of hiding behind a default name.
Your envy is your profile.
Anon 05:28
“If you guys need a space news editor to vet submissions on this issue I am up for the job, I won’t let stuff like this pass.”
Anon 09:19
“Again I offer my services as a space news editor, I’ll check & re-check anything submitted on this issue before publication.”
This blog is not one to regulate and deny publication of comments and/or articles it does not agree with but you seem to be doing just that. That is called ‘censorship’. It is considered to be bad form to shoot the messenger who’s informations you don’t like.
On the other hand this blog obviously supports Mother Russia and as such does not publish articles that are patently against Russia. However, often in the comments there are erudite and well thought out criticisms of Mother and these are published with everything else concerning the article. Long winded and meandering obfuscations or criticisms I tend to ignore and will rarely comment on them. In your case you seem to have taken your dislike of the article to heart. So be it and that is your right but to degenerate in to open attacks against the author gets one put on my ‘ignore’ list.
You conceal your identity by using ‘anonymous’ as your ID which forces me to spend time reading your and all the ‘anonymous’ posts and then using a time stamp to ID you to either ignore you or post about your thoughts. If you don’t have the fortitude to use a name to post, to me that says reams about your purposes.
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This ‘double helix’ has in the space of a couple of years surpassed the USA economically and militarily. Superb.
President Putin is truly a great politician, with foresight and daring which can only be appreciated after the fact.
Now the Americans can only watch as the ‘double helix’ replaces it as the engine room of the world.
This could have been America’s future but they chose to be destroyers.
Good stuff L445
It may be that Modi believes Agni will play a role in what we call Armageddon. In even has nukes named after Agni. These nukes are therefore Hindu nukes. Hindu nationalist nukes. Agni is from a time long preceding what is today called Hinduism and Hinduism is far departed from the godhead revealed at the delight of Soma. Agni is almighty. He is misbeheld by the children of his once were followers who have him now set up alike another Yahweh in the Indian book. The Elohims long left behind. Modi is enveloped in a eschatological paradigm. He is a Hindu nationalist. A man of destiny. He carries on his shoulders the religious expectations of his sect. Pakistan borders Iran. Iran is going to be attacked. It will be apocalyptic. Pakistan has nukes. Pakistan and Iran are now friends and it would be unfortunate if Pakistan were to be blanketed in the fallout. A nuclear confrontation in the region is long planned. The Sikh adventure in Trudeau’s recent India visit was the whole point of it. We live in very dangerous times.
I am seeing some anti India comments here lately; usually from same people.
I don’t really want to say what I know but sometimes my instinct says it is ok though not necessary. Maybe for the sake of Saker in case he doesn’t know.
1. It is a long time since north Indians called the shots in India. Modi (or any other Hindustan/Pakistani) is not really important when it comes to strategic decisions.
2. It goes back to the 1962 war with China but actually has more to do with the situation at the time of Robert Clive’s arrival than China.
3. India IS jealous of China. Who isn’t?
4. They still shit in the street there because of overpopulation. It REALLY is overpopulated in certain parts of India and most of Bangladesh. No local will deny it. Problem is, how to solve it without getting rid of 60% of the people. India don’t have, say, as much coal as China to even think of replicating China.
5. Indians don’t have any soft spots or admiration for Russia. But they have gratefulness. They, the people and the army, WILL stand with Russia.
6. Currently the problem is Russia doesn’t support India to split Pakistan further. Sulking is more like it, without any noticeable change in strategic thoughts. For example everyone knows India bought those French planes with Russian blessings.
7. However, the Paks have some idea about what is happening and are sticking to Russia like glue.
It is like a game where everyone is an actor without knowing it.
I would say the director is Putin and that India will openly come out for Russia when Putin wants it to. But unlike those points above which I know about, this is just a guess.
> Modi … is not really important when it comes to strategic decisions
Hopefully. Then the next Indian government would change the heading of India politics. And we would discuss that new politics when it comes real.
> Currently the problem is Russia doesn’t support India to split Pakistan further
to… what ????
Why should Russia support it? Other than maybe revenge for Afghanistan and Al Qaeda I see little reason for Russia to try to break Pakistan.
And definitely not when Russia and china try to cooperate.
But maybe I just misunderstood your thesis.
> everyone knows India bought those French planes with Russian blessings
bah! just like Kurds saying it is Russia’s who s guilty that Turks entered Afrin.
just like Ukrainians in 2013 were saying it would be Russia’s guilt and shame when Ukrainians would be forced to kill Russians.
That omnipresent Russia, responsible for literally everything…
> Paks ….. are sticking to Russia like glue.
Paks are China’s clients.
Paks see China unrolls a strategic project in their area, and that project includes Russia.
Paks know they have awful relationship with Russia after their role in Afghanistan.
Do Paks want to be cast aside of OBOR or to be merged into it as much as they can? answer is obvious.
Modi prefers to act another way. Hopefully next government after him would seek more to integrate India than to make it stand out.
Let me help you on one more item that India does well:
US concerned over Russian sanctions’ implications on India
http://www.defencenews.in/article/US-concerned-over-Russian-sanctions-implications-on-India-547426
“The Pentagon is “very concerned” over the possible implications of Russian sanctions on defence ties between India and the US, a top defence department official has said.
India could face sanctions for purchasing high value military defence items, in particular state-of-the-art S-400 missile defence system, from Russia under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).
Section 231 of CAATSA mandates secondary sanctions on those who conduct significant transactions with the Russian defence and intelligence sectors.
“We understand India’s concern about this and we are very concerned as well. These sanctions are intended to target Russia – not India,” Joe Felter, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for South and Southeast Asia, told PTI. ”
and
this was published first and I was puzzled because it was sounded like sure thing a few days before, now I think we may know why:
Delivery contract on S-400 systems for India won’t be signed at Moscow conference
http://www.defencenews.in/article/Delivery-contract-on-S-400-systems-for-India-won%E2%80%99t-be-signed-at-Moscow-conference-547424
“A contract for the delivery of S-400 Triumf missile systems to India won’t be signed during the current visit by Indian Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman to Moscow, a source in military-diplomatic circles told TASS on the sidelines of the Moscow international security conference on Wednesday.
“All the technical parameters of the contract have been fully agreed; however, the sides have not yet agreed on the price of the deal,” the source said.
Some media outlets earlier reported that India and Russia were close to signing a contract on the delivery of S-400 air defense missile systems and that its signing might take place during Sitharaman’s visit to Moscow.
At the same time, the source was optimistic about the prospects of signing the S-400 deal.
“The sides are continuing the negotiations on this sole issue that has not yet been agreed and there are no doubts that the document will be signed shortly,” the source noted.
TASS has no official confirmation of this information.”
J, when push comes to shove from the USA and Israel, India will bow and scrape. Modi and his Hindutva thug regime are big on Islamophobia, killing lower castes for riding horse, killing uppity journalists, holding conferences where China’s vivisection is plotted by Tibetan CIA assets, Uighur jihadist butchers and assorted other rabble, blinding Kashmiri children with bird-shot etc, but what they most enjoy is kissing US an Israeli backsides.
@Mulga: FYI.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-russia-set-to-ink-rs-39-000-cr-air-defence-system-deal-in-oct/story-shgedpb3FcN683ntIU9CcK.html
“India is expected to hammer out a Rs 39,000-crore deal with Russia for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems this October when Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Vlamidir Putin meet in New Delhi for the annual summit between the two countries, top government officials tracking the deal said on condition of anonymity.”
Regarding India, you would benefit from doing some serious research.
A,
With India, it happens when it happens. Before that, all thunders, no rain…
Now, that is getting interesting…
I saw S-400 news at Iranian media:
https://plus.google.com/+presstv/posts/2AXchpqixek
China, Turkey, India….
They all were allowed to buy S-400. And willing too.
We only need Pakistan added to the mix to have a continuous belt of S-400 defended land, which would provide for integrating them into cross-borders unified defense network
Interesting….
Except India training its weapons on China and Pakistan.
Modi comes, Modi goes…
Of course, these systems also double as military systems, just as the Yankee GPS does.
But it’s good to see Russian and Chinese space and military technology co-operation. Fuck the Empire.
Yankees keep claiming they will be first to Mars. Bush the Younger, then OBomba, now Trumpist.
One of my very favourite bands, Hawkwind, always anti-, says this:
Uncle Sam’s on Mars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGyeULvpQdY
I have serious foreboding considering all this buddy budding up with China.
China has designs on the far east and population to match it up with.
Muh Prez better b careful.
They say, during 1970-s oil crisis Elders in Kremlin were deciding over they strategic approach.
They say, the elders were choosing between joining the embargo and pushing USA off the cliff, and trading huge lots of oil to USA/Europe to help them survive through the crisis.
They say, the elders decided, that when competing for the most influential communist state in the long run USSR would loose to China. So, they decided against joining embargo and for supporting West as a counterweight to growing China.
Looking back at “holy 1990-s” we know how good it worked out for Kremlin.
You say, that in 20-30 years China would murder Russia.
Maybe you are correct.
But the opposite is USA/EU killing Russia in 2-3 years.
And what would Russia possibly choose between those options?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVbpDCoUBOU
Yes, double helix in space
BaiDou works bad in polar regions.
But GloNaSS is also less than perfect in equatorial areas.
So, again, the merge of two mutually compliment technologies
I have a question : if a big war brakes up, wouldn’t become the Satellite Systems and individual satellites the first targets as stated years ago by somebody here ?
Sure, would nukes fly – it is all over for GPS, for OBOR and for a great share of civilization, maybe even for mankind as whole.
But it does not mean China/Russia should not try to develop themselves for the case there would be no big war.
Upgrading GPS is for peaceful economy, not for WW3
ioan:
I’d imagine that both satellite navigation and communication would be very vulnerable, if not to direct attack, then to the difficulty of penetrating a highly ionized ionosphere after the detonation of the first few nuclear devices in a war. If that’s right, then, as far as I can see, inertial navigation would be necessary.
BTW, Larchmonter, I assume it was intentional to include a whole bunch of helical antennas in the first photo of the satellite in order to complement the title of the essay. Pretty good!
The free play of differing points of view and varying perspectives of knowledge based on history, cultural and political interests here is extremely educational and helpful. The world is so complex and rapidly changing, who has all the answers ?
It might go still further with more constructive, sincere responses with genuine and informative counter challenges to anyone presenting another angle or different picture, from those whose thoughts and work are challenged.
The PRC social credit system is a challenge to the caste system of India where no way out is possible. It also helps defend China from US sponsored christian evangelical messianism because it recuts and regrounds Confucian base structures.
Time to review everything you think about Boris Yeltsin.
And pertinent to this article are his words regarding Jiang Zemin.
Yeltsin was a patriot and a good man. He spent his liver for his nation. The West thought him their man, a drunk, thoroughly incompetent, but truth be told he was a schemer. A man who plotted Russia’s return.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/04/when-yeltsin-told-clinton-where-to-go/
Yeah, India is a bit “special”. I’ve heard Vijay Prashad mention it several times in his lectures that India is sitting on the fence and their strategists are calling it “Non-alignment 2.0”. They seem to be waiting to see who prevails so they can join the winning side.
And while half of India’s population has no toilets, the world marches on.