Strelkov & Militia Briefings, June 27, 2014
Combined for June 27, 2014
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov
Report on the OSCE Mission Visit to Slavyansk, June 27, 2014
Original: Strelkov Info
On June 26, 2014, OSCE personnel visited and inspected the ruins of Slavyansk.
Pursuant to the attendance, [OSCE] will prepare a report, which will be provided to Kiev.
According to a member of the OSCE monitoring group, Victor Likhachev:
“This attendance by OSCE personnel in Slavyansk will enable [the organization] to compile an objective overview of the conditions in the city. Following the visit, a report will be generate that will assist in tomorrow’s peace talks.
The diplomat further commented:
“The picture is grim, there is a lot of destruction. Experts can see evidence of mortar attacks, destroyed residential buildings/homes and infrastructure. I saw Slavyansk a month ago – it was completely different.”
According to Likhachev, the foremost task of the OSCE personnel is to gather information and specific facts concerning the state of affairs in the city and in the vicinity, as well as to evaluate the humanitarian situation. It is expected that the information collected by the [OSCE] mission about the destruction [in Slavyansk] will be provided to Kiev.
En route to Slavyansk, the personnel of the organization stopped over in Kramatorsk, where they were met by one of the Militia commanders, Alexander Mozhaev, more commonly know by his nickname “Babay”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx4LW_pUBxE
Video of OSCE’s Visit to Slavyansk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj7XRvPoCpo
Video of OSCE’s Visit to Kramatorsk
Note: in a later statement broadcast on Lifenews.ru, a representative of DPR stated that militiamen were forced to save OSCE personnel from mortar fire en route to Slavyansk and that it was the witnessing by OSCE officials of the devastation wrought upon Slavyansk that compelled Poroshenko to extend the ceasefire by 72 hours.
Briefing from Igor Strelkov, June 26, 2014, 13:05
Original: Icorpus.ru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqUOD2EIQR0
Note: an entire platoon of NazGuard [National Guard] was completely routed by Igor Strelkov’s unit at the Mirniy checkpoint on June 27, 2014. The video of the aftermath is embedded above.
Yesterday evening we attacked a checkpoint of the enemy near the Mirniy settlement. At first, the enemy troops put up fierce resistance, defending with grenade launchers, but ultimately fled anyways. At the very conclusion of the battle, Ukies were hit by their own artillery units, who were ordered to fire upon any checkpoint or position penetrated by the Militia.
Our loses include one 200th [KIA – killed in action] and two 300th [WIA – wounded in action]. Both [of our] tanks that took part in the battle were hit with grenade launchers, but received no damage. The garrison of the enemy was completely routed. Two BTR-80 APCs burned down, the third was captured [by the Militia] and sent back to our rear, fully functional.
In addition, the following [trophies] were taken: 1 functional mortar “Vasilyok”, with a full set of ammunition, 1 PTURS “Fagot” system with several charges, 3 functional AGS-17 “Plamya” grenade launchers with a large set of ammunition, several automatic rifles, an enormous amount of ammunition, grenades, etc., a lot of documentation, flags, and so on.
At 04:00, the enemy launched sixteen 240mm shells at the city, aiming at wide areas.
As of this morning, intermittent shelling with the use of heavy artillery continues.
Note: video of the interview with Igor Strelkov can be found here.
Statement by Igor Strelkov, June 27, 2014, 16:36
Original: Strelkov Info
Commentary by Igor Strelkov with respect to Poroshenko’s extension of ceasefire by 72 hours.
Column after column is pushing its way toward us from Izyum – numerous! So, it’ll take them just about three days to concentrate their forces [and prepare] for attack. If we let them, of course. So, we will not be complying with any ceasefire in these circumstances. Our conditions remain unchanged – withdrawal of forces to a distance of at least 10 kilometres, cessation of artillery shelling, unblocking of communication routes.
Information from the Special Correspondent of Komsomolskaya Pravda, Dmitry Steshin, June 27, 2014, 11:22
Original: @kp_steshin Tweet #1 & Tweet #2
Two days ago, the only lifeline path into Slavyansk was cut off with a Ukie checkpoint. Today militiamen broke through the blockade. Two tanks were used in the assault. Several nights in a row I could hear them being repaired. … “Rovno” and “Lvov” tankists should start prepping for [corrective eye surgery].
Briefing from the Militia, June 27, 2013, 03:30
Original: Strelkov Info
The military base in Donetsk was captured without losses on either side. All [those inside] were [regular] conscripts. We will be calling their mothers so they can take their sons home. All the officers have been placed under arrest.
Briefing from Fyodor Berezin, June 27, 2014, 10:54
Original: Strelkov Info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRb8WOStrvE
Lifenews Interview with Fyodor Berezin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HywNIZ4tXg
Fyodor Berezin’s Interview (ENG-subbed)
I accepted the capitulation of the Ukrainian military base.
For two days prior [to the capitulation], we cut off the base from water supplies. Last night, the People’s Militia assaulted this military base, which is situated on the territory of Donetsk. Specifically, the attack was conducted by the “Kalmius” detachment ([Kalmius] is a river that flows through both Donetsk and Mariupol).
As the end of the many hours of battle, we were victorious. Let’s say this – it was a definitive victory. Both sides used automatic weapons, light and heavy machine guns, under-slung grenades, and grenade launchers. On our side we also had armour, albeit a single vehicle.
The “Kalmius” assault group penetrated into the territory of the military base. They captured the command personnel. Having virtually exhausted their ammunition, the Ukrainian military base was forced to surrender to the mercy of the victors.
All three companies were disarmed. There were no 200th [KIA – killed in action]. Only a small number of 300th [WIA – wounded in action]. Trophies and the military banner of the base were captured. The personnel was taken prisoner and, by 03:00, was removed from the territory [of the base].
And, so to say, something to whet your appetite. And I was there, and drank honey and beer … [Note 1]. Simply put, bullets whistled past and squished nearby. Of all different calibres. A ton of impressions.
Note 1: Berezin is roughly quoting Alexander Pushkin’s poem “Tale of the Dead Princess and the Seven Knights.”
Videos of the Assault on the Ukrainian Military Base
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMdpMgReWs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fx1VOHZXE
Report from Fyodor Berezin, June 27, 2014
Original: Slavyansk2014 & DPR Press Twitter (@dnrpress)
According to the Donetsk People’s Republic Deputy Minister of Defence, Fyodor Berezin, militiamen have disrupted the production of several parts for Ukrainian military helicopters.
“In the city of Snezhnoye we have blockaded the factory that manufactures helicopter blades/airfoils and supplies them to “Motor-Sich”. These are the very helicopters that are [used] to bomb us.
“Motor-Sich” is one of the largest enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, and is the largest manufacturer of engines for airplanes and helicopters in the country.”
Note: the Motor Sich Public Joint Stock Company (Ukrainian: ВАТ «Мотор Січ») in Zaporizhia is among the largest engine manufacturers for airplanes and helicopters. See Wikipedia and Motor Sich Corporate Website.
Commentary from Igor Strelkov, June 27, 2014, 18:30
Original: Strelkov Info
We collected these documents on the battlefield – there was no opportunity to determine which belonged to those alive, and which – to the dead.
Photographs of the trophy documents and IDs can be found here.
Unfortunately, the enemy has retaken the checkpoint. Our fighters were forced to abandon it because of harsh howitzer fire (we have one wounded [as a result]) –the position was mediocre defence-wise, and we did not have the time to entrench ourselves properly. They took it over with an “armada” – they threw 4 tanks and 8 APCs with infantry at it. Well, and we immediately lobbed 80 mortar shells there … to make sure the fresh Ukie-warriors don’t think life is all honey.
We [also] shelled the checkpoint at Krasniy Liman with one mortar when [their] column was passing through. Only 8 mines in total, and maybe got them once. In return, en entire company, 12 mortars, opened fire! A sign of respect …
Briefing from Igor Strelkov, June 27, 2014, 18:50
Original: Icorpus.ru
By 15:00, following intense howitzer shelling, the enemy took back the checkpost near the Mirniy settlement, with forces that included 4 tanks and 8 APCs. The Militia avoided the engagement, due to unfavourable location of the checkpoint, and withdrew to original positions. One fighter was wounded with shrapnel.
As soon as the enemy took up the checkpoint, it was struck with a volley from our battery of 120mm mortars. The enemy suffered casualties.
Mortar exchanges continue near the settlement of Semyonovka.
Our intelligence indicates that there is a continuous transfer of detachments and units of the Ukrainian armed forces and the NazGuard [National Guard] from Izyum to Slavyansk. Their numbers, as well as their equipment, indicate that a new assault on Slavyansk and a massive shelling [campaign] are being readied.
The Militia also has information about the enemy’s readiness to use chemical weapons of so-called non-lethal character in order to render the Militia fighters inactive in advance of an actual assault on the city.
Interview with Igor Strelkov, June 27, 2014, 19:20
Original: Strelkov Info
– with respect to the situation in Seversk:
Igor Strelkov: The concrete bridge across the Severskiy Donets [river] was blown up. The wooden bridge is functional. For now, Seversk is firmly in our control, but the enemy force, looming over us, has not disappeared – their superiority over the Militia is enormous.
– with respect to the extension of the ceasefire to June 30:
Igor Strelkov: Once again, they forgot to give us warning … We will comply only if they at least stop the movement [of their forces] in a 10-kilometre radius [around the city]. That, of course, will never happen – they are gathering forces for an assault.
– Igor Ivanovich, are there young men among the Militia? Under 30 years old? Every time they show someone on TV, the men in the camera’s eye are middle-aged.
Igor Strelkov: Yes, there are, but, alas, not too many. The “failed Pepsi generation” and those who came after them are massively among the refugees … It’s not only in Russia that the “society of unapologetic consumption” with corresponding ideals (i.e. – “Yes, I am a bastard! But, at least, I am alive and rich!) was bred and groomed.
– with respect to the “unfairly” arrested Slavyansk blogger
Igor Strelkov: They don’t even know yet that this “blogger from Enakievo” is to be put before a military tribunal by my order. The hearings will be held tomorrow. As it turns out, he did not confine himself to “defending the freedom of speech” … And he did far more than “defend.” It was not his anti-russian blog in Ostrov.ua that resulted in him being in the “penal battalion,” it was because, despite being a professional anesthesiologist, he refused to treat a woman from Kramatorsk, who was brought in with a wound. His excuse was that he refused to “help a separatist.” And these freaks dare talk to me about honour?
Information from the Militia, June 27, 2014, 14:59
Original: Strelkov Info
Militiamen continued attacking the NazGuard checkpoint near the border crossing of Krasniy Partizan-Gukovo until midday. The result – Ukies lost 1 APC.
Information from the DPR Press Service, June 27, 2014
Original: Strelkov Info
The fighters of the DPR militia have broken through the NazGuard positions near Seversk and entered the city.
Dear The Saker,
Thanks for the update.
Just posting this from yesterday again:
Saw this at Clothcap’s site:
“Gleb Bazov ?@gbazov @ZorroAsura @Steiner1776 @homo_viator
It’s on its way there. If you mean Ukraine, Kharkov is full of guerrillas already. Matter of time.
Kharkov has been ready to over boil for a while – in fact, the rallies are getting larger by the day changing very rapidly. Now that Kolomoisky appears to have fled to Geneva, we may be seeing an uprising in Dnepropetrovsk, from there – Kherson, Odessa, Nikolayev. There is talk of anti-gov’t protests (one already happened) coming up even in Kiev. The country is rising up, and fast.”
Any clarification on this? Has the war criminal fled to Geneva? Is the country rising up?
Rgds,
Veritas
“Are there young men among the Militia? Under 30 years old? Every time they show someone on TV, the men in the camera’s eye are middle-aged.”
Igor Strelkov: “Yes, there are, but, alas, not too many. The “failed Pepsi generation” and those who came after them are massively among the refugees … It’s not only in Russia that the “society of unapologetic consumption” with corresponding ideals (i.e. – “Yes, I am a bastard! But, at least, I am alive and rich!) was bred and groomed.”
This doesn’t bode well. A society where most of the burden of self-defense is put on middle age men because men under 30 are too autistic to care, cannot remain free. No chance.
▶ 28 06 2014 Обстрел осветительными ракетами над г. Селидово – YouTube
On the night of 27 June 28, the Ukrainian army shelled residential sector Selidovo, near Donetsk star shells
Briefing from Igor Strelkov, June 27, 2014, 18:50
[…]
The Militia also has information about the enemy’s readiness to use chemical weapons of so-called non-lethal character in order to render the Militia fighters inactive in advance of an actual assault on the city.
Sounds like Poroshenko’s “Plan B”…
B.
Saker,
Do you have any thoughts on the firing of Alexander Dugin from his post at Moscow University?
there is no ceasefire there will be no ceasefire there has been no ceasefire.
I get the strong feeling of willful disconnect between the Kremlin and the situation on the ground.
To rob at 15:10:
It is clear from Strelkov’s information that the disconnect goes both ways. I can understand Putin wishing to proceed on the high road that there is a cease fire in place while knowing very well that is not the case. Putin’s rhetoric insists that there must be a cease fire while he surely knows what Strelkov knows, that there is not.
This course of action puts the onus firmly and squarely on Maidan. They are not honoring their own statements, and the world sees it. I do not think this regime can last.
A huge consequence of Putin’s mistake in not securing Novorossiya, is that he is rapidly undermining his own legitimacy within Russia itself. Russians seeing the continuing murders of fellow Russians in Novorossiya, are rapidly viewing Putin as unwilling / unable to protect them either. Putin’s burst of popularity after the Crimean accession is quickly fading beneath the surface.
With Putin over-calculating, too sure of his cleverness, the West has successfully manoeuvred Putin into being an accessory to his own eventual regime change. Thinking to secure his position amid oligarchs eager for EU access, Putin may now lose everything, maybe his position, maybe even his life.
Vladimir Putin already greatly regrets his mistake allowing the US-Nato ‘no fly zone’ in Libya, that led to tens of thousands of deaths, and suffering for millions in North Africa that still continues. Putin will come to further regret his inaction on Ukraine – how he did not protect fellow Russians! – as the greatest mistake of his life.
Putin is not realising that just as with Crimea, things would quickly settle down if he was decisive. He needs to secure Novorossiya, partition Ukraine, and briefly invade Kiev to kick out Nato and paramilitaries, then quickly withdraw from the Western part. Russia’s red line for the rump Ukraine-Galicia should be that EU servitude is ok for them, but NO Nato forces, however ‘unofficial’ or hired-mercenary, of any kind, or Russia will invade again. The world, the EU and even the US will get used to, and respect, the forthright, well-justified action.
Breaking news Kiev’s shelling of Russian border checkpoint a ‘provocation’ – Moscow Home / News / Ukraine shells hit Russian border checkpoint, villages
Three Ukrainian rounds of ammunition land on Russian territory Russia June 28, 18:38 UTC+4 The multi-way automobile border crossing point Gukovo (Chervonopartizansk on the side of Ukraine) was damaged as a result
Andrei Akulov on the delusional fears of NATO’s border states of a Russian invasion (and presumably annexation, too).
Estonian prime minister Taavi Roivas should really know better…
Asked if he would like to see a permanent mission in Estonia, Roivas told Reuters, «Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania are the border states, and it is only logical that air policing and air defence for example are present on the borders». According to him, «NATO has to be a visible presence at all of its areas including the Baltic states, including Poland, because those are the frontline states now, and just like Germany remembers what this means, I think now the frontline has simply moved eastwards».
…but the russophobic hysterics do have an impact:
Recently NATO has […] tripled the number of fighter jets based in the Baltics as part of measures to beef up its defenses in Eastern Europe since Crimea changed its status. The US does station permanently aviation units in Poland. Since March four US F-15 fighter jets have been flying the air patrols and the Pentagon is reported to send six additional F-15s and one KC-135 aerial refueling tanker to the mission. The U.S. has also sent aircraft with AWACS early warning and control systems to Romania and Poland. About 100 instructors are set to train special operations teams in post-Soviet states since the Ukraine’s was sparked. Though American commandos have always been present at alternating military trainings in Eastern Europe, now they plan to take up quarters there.
US Military in Europe: from Forces Rotation to Permanent Presence – Strategic Culture
B.
Dear All,
I urge you all to help Mammon’s worshippers to return to their god.
Thanks a lot.
Some encouraging events including the nearly bloodless capitulation of the Donetz garrison. But it is only too obvious that Kiev is using the phony “cease fire” to mass forces for major assaults on Slavyansk and other cities. “Non lethal” gases, even tear gas, can kill babies and small children as well as sick and injured people. Some types, as demonstrated at Waco, are flammable. Then too,the Americans may have some supplied some new “disabling” gas for testing in the field.
Q (1): What happened to the humanitarian relief column the Russians said they would send across the border today? Q (2) How much is Moscow going to allow Kiev to get away with? I am beginning to find Lavrov’s whining almost as odious as Kerry’s blustering.
In due course, if the upcoming offensive fails, the war will spread and the regime–even with infusions of US/NATO advisers– will begin to disintegrate and the western oblasts (where the tradition of partisan resistance is more alive) will begin to pull away from Kiev. And, too, if EU Commission (who have to know, perfectly well, that Moscow is neither directly responsible for the resistance nor capable of turning if off) impose ‘economic sanctions’ they will learn- from European business interests especially- what “blowback” means.
Strelkov seems, to me, to be an honest and competent soldier, doing the best he can under grim conditions. This is a situation that caught people unprepared. The physical and mental preparation that must precede effective guerilla/partisan warfare had not occurred. Initial actions took the form of demonstrations and occupations.
Guerilla resistance in its earlier stages must rely very heavily on remotely detonated mines. To set this tactic effectively in motion you must have (a) a source of explosives (Normally–though the big problem for Donbas miners appears to be flooding–where there are mines there are explosives.) (b) Insulated wire (lots of it),pipe, batteries, plungers or other detonating systems. (c)Workplaces, including properly equipped shops with cutting torch and welder (d) Willing and competent workers who have handled explosives and have an basic understanding of electricity (eg; calculating resistance).
Once production facilities are in operation, you must have people who understand how to safely handle mines, how to plant and rig them and how to sight, load and emplace pipe mini-cannon for time on target detonation.
Then, of course, comes the organization of teams of no more than squad size, who follow the back roads, loving the night and clinging to cover, to make enemy supply lines hazardous. Being a survivable partisan ‘ain’t easy’. But if enough men and women were to ‘get the hang of it’, it would be unstoppable in Ukraine’s eastern oblasts.
But what a pity that Putin, et al have elected to let these events play bloodily out–=the worst is surely yet to come– when by holding firm he/they could probably have scared Kiev away from the two seceding oblasts without even killing anyone.
I still expect that Russian failure to move in the eastern Ukraine within weeks after the coup will be seen as a great, historic mistake. Time will tell.
Best to all, Tom
A treat for all you BBC fans out there; British press branding the recent EU agreements as ‘trade’ deals. The comments also worth skimming. From perhaps the best EU-skeptic sites in the UK:
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85045#disqus_thread
Today, one hundred years ago, an assassination took place in Sarajevo. That was the start of WW1.
Ever since the problems started in Ukraine, I have been very worried.
One reason is the irrational element in the decisions of the Kyev junta and of Washington. I can’t make sense of the irrational. It is impossible to predict what will happen.
The second thing I fear is the unexpected. Ukraine was a really unexpected place for a dangerous conflict. I was taken by surprise at what the Maidan resulted in. Crimea was also unexpected and I didn’t see the civil war coming. We should probably expect more of the unexpected in the coming days or weeks.
The third thing worrying me is the high probability of mistakes being made. Mistakes are made in tense situations. There are cool heads in Moscow, but not in Kyev, Brussels and Washington. Kyev can’t do anything right.
Porochenko has made unreasonable demands. He must know that. The EU has given Russia a 3-day ultimatum! Stop the civil war or face sanctions.
After Sarajevo, unreasonable demands were put on Serbia and the war started. In Ramboulliet in 1999, Milosevic accepted all of NATO:s demands. Another, one they knew he couldn’t accept, was quickly added to the list. NATO demanded free passage in all of former Yugoslavia and immunity for its troops. The answer was no. The war started.
With this in mind, I don’t look forward to the coming weeks. The irrational, the unexpected and the inclination to make mistakes in some places, all that can lead us with “a hook in the nose” to where we don’t want to go.
Russia has called in reserves for “training”. The “ceasefire” will end Monday. Vladimir Putin will make a speech the first of July, Tuesday. Every day something new is added and we don’t know what will happen.
I want to thank all those men and women who lay their lives on the line [and all those who’ve lost it already and paid the ultimate price] for standing up to the Western Beast so often confused with personal freedom.
A ‘free speech zone’ doesn’t equate with the ability to speak one’s mind and western ‘liberation’ is as welcome to me as a methane-ridden, wet dog in a stuck elevator on 5th Avenue.
@ Juliana,
Q: I do not think this regime can last.
R: I doesn’t matter what you and I think. If Nuland can determine who will be Ukraine’s next PM, get it done and get’s away with it, we’re both f***ed. Yats will last as long as the west manages to prop up that bald-headed star of David.
@Anonymous 16:25
Medvedev, not Putin, had the final say over not vetoing the no-fly zone over Libya.
Medvedev, Putin clash over Libya in rare moment of public discord
An anonymous ( another troll maybe ) wrote
“Vladimir Putin already greatly regrets his mistake allowing the US-Nato ‘no fly zone’ in Libya”
also if everyone knows that the ” allowing” president was medvedev
Anon 16:25:
Vladimir Putin already greatly regrets his mistake allowing the US-Nato ‘no fly zone’ in Libya, that led to tens of thousands of deaths, and suffering for millions in North Africa that still continues. Putin will come to further regret his inaction on Ukraine – how he did not protect fellow Russians! – as the greatest mistake of his life.
To paraphrase Gene Krantz in Apollo 13: “With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be Putin’s finest hour.”
… He needs to secure Novorossiya, partition Ukraine, and briefly invade Kiev to kick out Nato and paramilitaries, then quickly withdraw from the Western part.
All things in due time. But I will say, that if Russia does come to occupy Ukraine, it is never going to leave Kiev again. If a Russian is someone who speaks the Russian language, Kiev is a Russian city. Eventually, everything from the lightest shade of blue on this map will be Russian territory.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhpomXyCMAAXDqG.jpg:large
The Novorussian militia have gone on the offensive.
The situation on the fronts of the South-East (the revision of the past few days)
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2270-obstanovka-na-frontah-yugo-vostoka-obobschayuschiy-obzor-za-neskolko-poslednih-dney.html
The zionazis being stereotypical zionazis:
Ukraine introduced a system of secret confiscation of savings
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2246-na-ukraine-vvodyat-sistemu-neglasnoy-konfiskacii-sberezheniy.html
Russia and China plan to abandon the dollar
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2266-rossiya-i-kitay-planiruyut-otkazatsya-ot-dollara.html
“Russian Central Bank and Halyk Bank China plan to abandon the dollar in mutual settlements and to use national currencies of the two countries instead of the now prevailing US dollar.
Also during negotiations, which took place in Shanghai 25-26 June, discussed the creation of the rating agencies, which could make a competition to the Western rating agencies. In addition touched upon the issues of establishing of direct correspondent relations of the Russian and Chinese banks, development of trade and economic relations in the border areas, trade currency pair ruble-yuan and some others.
In addition, the regulators discussed the implementation of new forms of cooperation in the sphere of insurance. “Representatives of Russian and Chinese financial community noted the ongoing development of mutual presence in the banking sector, expanding the network of correspondent relations between Russian and Chinese banks, trade growth currency pair RMB ruble, introduction of new forms of financial cooperation.”
ex-IDF in Maidan confirmed
http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/04/ukraine-israeli-special-forces-unit-neo-nazi-command-involved-maidan-riots/
Andrew 22:04,
Thanks for the map. Haven’t seen that one before.
Anonymous said…28 June, 2014 21:55
“An anonymous ( another troll maybe ) wrote”
When they start out their zio-spam with phrases like this:
“A huge consequence of Putin’s mistake in not securing Novorossiya” (16:25 anon)
It is obvious the sod is a zionazi troll. It not what they say, it’s how they phrase it. That example is a variation of the “have you stopped beating your wife” routine. Learn that aspect of hostile zionazi trolling of sites and one will be able to avoid wasting time reading these site attacks just by ready the first 1 or 2 sentences. ;)
To: Anon 19:58
I fully agree with you on the unpredictability of irrational decisions. Like you I was blindsided by the Maidon coup. It seemed so utterly irrational for Yanukovich to refuse to call in the Army which could have easilky cordoned the square and defended the buildings. I managed to predict the local/Russian reaction Re:Crimea and a separatist drive in the eastern oblasts that came later and weaker than I expected.I also predicted that Putin would fail to support the local people militarily and that this would be a great, historic mistake.
Now Putins passivity has led the West and the rats in Kieve to believe they can get by with anything. This is, at this point, dangerously irrational. One cannot really predict the Russian reaction to their planned offensive. The mobilization of reserves you mention suggests they had better back off. But will they?Topm
BOT TAK @ 28 JUNE, 2014 22:29
Yes, totally agree. Trolling heavy already in this thread – with only 25 comments you can already feel the confusion in the thread.
Very well explained: “Have you stopped beating your wife?”
(Google this to see the significance of what BOT TAK is saying.)
I don’t understand Anonymous’s point about the 1914-18 war.
What was unreasonable about Austria’s demands? The heir to the throne had been shot. Serbian Intelligence had indeed recruited the assassins. So the Austrians demanded an end to the murderous propaganda against them, and an official inquiry with Austrian participation. How else do you defuse such a situation?
The Serbs were coached into prevaricating. Behind the scenes, Britain’s Rhodes-Milner-Esher-Rothschild gang had spent the last decade preparing such a casus belli.
Britain didn’t stumble into war. It was determined to smash first Germany, then Russia as well, because the peaceful economic development of Eurasia would eclipse its maritime power. The neocons are still pursuing this policy. Guido Preparata sets it out clearly in The Incubation of Nazism at WikiSpooks.
The policy was, is, and always shall be a complete disaster. So they keep covering their tracks – it wasn’t me, honest! Now, when the sublime idiocy of Cameron, Hague and Obama has finally dragged it all into full view (on the 100th anniversary!), shouldn’t we let go of the official narrative?
@ Bob Jackson 09:20
Re: unreasonable demands
The demands on Serbia were such that Belgrade could accept all but one, as I remember it. Some say two demands were rejected, other say many more were rejected. It probably depends on who writes history – or rather who interprets it.
I believe the point was to make war unavoidable. Milosevic was given the same treatment. Today we see the demands on Russia and the two republics. It is a very dangerous game.
“shouldn’t we let go of the official narrative?”
You are right about that. In the end of the 19th century, different maps of new Europe were made. The rulers plotted and people could sense the coming big war. The pressure was building up. If nothing had happened in Sarajevo 1914, something else would have started the war.
Maps are being made today, too. I suspect new maps were made already in the 1970s, long before the fall of the USSR.
The death of the Archduke and his wife is an example of the unexpected.
Dear Bot Tak,
You are clearly pro-Novorossiyan, as am I. Yet you sometimes accuse sincere contributors of being “zionazi”. To wit, you said: “An anonymous (another troll maybe) wrote, ‘When they start out their zio-spam with phrases like this: “A huge consequence of Putin’s mistake in not securing Novorossiya” (16:25 anon) It is obvious the sod is a zionazi troll. It not what they say, it’s how they phrase it.”
Whoa. Please be careful with your accusations. There are reasons to worry about Putin’s seeming hesitation; this does not mean a contributor is a troll. You have accused even me of being a zionazi. Nothing could be further from the truth. I publish under “anonymous” to protect myself against the suppressors of free speech in my own country. I do not use “Donbass slang” because I hope to reach a larger audience. And at times I worry about Putin’s stance. Yet I am extremely supportive of the Novorossiya effort and of this valuable blog site.
Please, Bot Tak, broaden your acceptance to include those who speak from a different perspective.
Victory to Novorossiya.
@вот так: you sometimes accuse sincere contributors of being “zionazi” (…) Please be careful with your accusations
Dear вот так,
With all due respect, and gratitude for your contributions here, I have to agree with this request and I would be very grateful to you if you could refrain from labeling others “zionazis” as this really does not add much to the conversation. I think that we can disagree with somebody’s views without necessarily using such labels. I also think that this is the second time that I am asking you this (maybe you missed my first request: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/06/latest-statements-from-igor-strelkov_22.html?showComment=1403492490640#c3339970499139806136) I wrote “just ignore the posts which you suspect of being ziotrolls. I would prefer if you did not denounce them one by one, ok?” . I would be very grateful if you would agree to my request.
Many thanks and kind regards,
The Saker
Grieved said…29 June, 2014 01:50
“BOT TAK @ 28 JUNE, 2014 22:29
Yes, totally agree. Trolling heavy already in this thread – with only 25 comments you can already feel the confusion in the thread.
Very well explained: “Have you stopped beating your wife?”
(Google this to see the significance of what BOT TAK is saying.)”
Thanks.
VINEYARDSAKER: said…29 June, 2014 22:38
“@вот так: you sometimes accuse sincere contributors of being “zionazi” (…) Please be careful with your accusations
Dear вот так,
With all due respect, and gratitude for your contributions here, I have to agree with this request and I would be very grateful to you if you could refrain from labeling others “zionazis” as this really does not add much to the conversation. I think that we can disagree with somebody’s views without necessarily using such labels. I also think that this is the second time that I am asking you this (maybe you missed my first request: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/06/latest-statements-from-igor-strelkov_22.html?showComment=1403492490640#c3339970499139806136) I wrote “just ignore the posts which you suspect of being ziotrolls. I would prefer if you did not denounce them one by one, ok?” . I would be very grateful if you would agree to my request.
Many thanks and kind regards,
The Saker”
I know you are not that naive.