Mid East in a Nutshell: The friction of war is both mutable and immutable. The art of deception in war is both covert and overt. As the art of war is also a science, it is therefore always given to change, for war in itself is part of the dialectical experience in the human condition that has arisen since the early dawn of civilization.
Operation Euphrates Shield was to push the Kurds back across the Euphrates. US put special forces personal on the frontline with the Kurds to prevent Turkey pushing the US zone back and are now pushing Turkey to create this so called safe zone. Turkey – or Erdogan supporters seem to be very anti US so will have to see what comes of this.
You have to give it to Erdogan, it seems that he’s manipulating Washington and not vice versa. ‘He saw them a coming a mile away.’
That may explain all those visits to Israel ; he got them to tutor him how to manipulate D.C.. ‘He learned from the experts.’ I’ll bet that if you want to buy an American politician, the best place to make the deal is Israel. They probably have a Dept. dedicated just to selling American political influence and state secrets.
If I were the Russians, I would keep an eagle eye on Erdogan. If he is having anything to do with the Khazarian Jews of Israel or any of the other Hebrews in the shadows. I personally believe that there are a lot of Hebrews in the world working the back door while the Khazarian Jews are the ones in the spotlight.
Soraya is absolutely correct – the US and Israel has NOT given up and CANNOT give up because if Syria is NOT taken out of the game as an ally of Hizballah in Lebanon and Iran, then the long-desired elimination of the “Axis of Resistance” – Hizballah, Syria and Iran – can not be accomplished.
And not being able to accomplish this long-term goal is totally unacceptable to the US and Israel elites. It would mean Iran continues to have influence in the Middle East against both the US and Israel and there would be no decades-long war with Iran for the benefit of the US military-industrial complex war profits which are winding down due to the winding down of Afghanistan and Iraq.
The US is happy to have a bunch of jihadists running around in the Middle East and they are happy to BOTH support these jihadists AND bomb them as well. It’s the perfect situation to MAKE MONEY AND achieve geopolitical goals.
Unfortunately Soraya did not explicitly link the Syria crisis to the long-term goal of eliminating Hizballah and Iran. But she is absolutely correct that the game plan remains in place – and this implies that Turkey is merely one of Obama’s “stalking horses”.
It should be OBVIOUS that any action Turkey takes against the Kurds DIRECTLY AIDS ISIS and AlQaeda in Syria and also weakens the Russian effort against the insurgents. So the fact that Erdogan may – or may not – have a primary interest in defeating the Kurds’ efforts to establish their own “safe zone” in Syria does NOT contradict his interest in weakening Syria itself.
In other words, it is a completely FALSE dichotomy that Turkey is supposedly “accepting” Assad while at the same time attacking the Kurds. It is a FALSE dichotomy that Turkey is either cooperating with the US or cooperating with Russia. Turkey can do both up to a point.
What Russia needs to understand is that Turkey can not be trusted and that a Turkish invasion is a game changer as much as the Russian intervention was last fall. If Russia does not reverse this invasion and eliminate the “safe haven”, Turkey and the US will use that safe haven to undermine the Russian-Syrian-Iran-Hizballah advances made since last fall.
In short, this invasion is a disaster which much be reversed as soon as possible by any means necessary – right up to direct military conflict between Russian and Turkey in Syria.
As I’ve said before, if you lose Syria, you lose the Middle East. Lebanon will be next, and then Iran.
My take on this is close to yours. I’m rather sick of all these “masterful strokes of brilliance” which us mere mortals can’t even begin to comprehend, even though months and months after the so-called ‘masterful stroke’ was deployed nothing positive transpires, quite the opposite in fact. Things seems to be getting worse and worse all the time.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again; under no circumstances Turkey can be trusted, and we can do little else but hope that at least the good old folks at the FSB are watching them like a hawk day and night.
On the other hand… it sickens me to see Putin all chummed-up with Turdogan at the G20. And yes, I understand why Russia has to be open to dialog with everyone (Dmitry Babic, I’m looking in your general direction), but that “understanding” can only go so far. Like everything else in this world; patience, charity, tolerance (etc) are not limitless.
What I’ve seen from G20 footage when all the leaders get together for a picture or whatever, is Putin standing next to and lively chatting with Turdogan, or Putin with backstabber Merkel (when is he gonna learn? Does he have the memory of a fish or something?), or Putin with a bunch of Arabs in full gear (no idea who they are, and who cares anyways). Lovely company he keeps, though… :/
And I’m sure he met with all the G20 representatives for official private chats, but when he’s free to mingle, well… I already told you folks where he seems to gravitate to.
He reminded me more of a Cameron, than Putin. And look at where Cameron is now! Probably enjoying an ice-cream cone in some grubby English beach, because Prime Minister, he ain’t anymore, that’s for damn sure.
My point is; couldn’t we spot him mingling with any of the other countries? Plenty to choose from, well… if you discard your usual hegemon suspects, that is.
This reminds me of a recent post by Uncle B; in response to someone else’s post about how a list of countries backing Russia, I think; in relation to Crimea (sorry Uncle B, I forget the exact details now), but he said something [paraphrasing]: that is shame that apart from a couple of countries in that list, the rest, usually don’t get the time of the day from Russia. It’s just that I see a co-relation between that comment Uncle B made some days ago, and the random footage from the G20 aired in the last, what? 24, 48 hours?
The “the good old folks at the FSB” are paid hardmen (funded by a Capitalist state ) no different to those at the CIA – don’t rely on them to sort anything out.
“is Putin standing next to and lively chatting with Turdogan, or Putin with backstabber Merkel (when is he gonna learn? Does he have the memory of a fish or something?), or Putin with a bunch of Arabs in full gear (no idea who they are, and who cares anyways). Lovely company he keeps, though… :/”
Turkey may have made a deal whit russia to play a double game for a while. Not to worsen the diplomatic ties to eu, us or nato, but at the same time help russia and syria to demomolish the u.s backed daesh and kurdish influense in the region. Russia and Syria mildly protest this, but work for the common goal. When US and EU finds out they are losing the game, they might rise tensions on the other front with the greeks and turks due to refugees. It could also affect on russia-greece ties. Greece could also get some relief for it’s Eu driven austerity policy. Anyway, it seems this conflict seems to.be far from over.
Sharmine Narwani tweets: “US-Russia deal is technicality. Real deal is Russia-Turkey one, already playing out in #Syria battlefield. Separation of forces happening.”
She continues, with successive tweets [1 through 8]:
Jihadi union plan cracking, defections clear w/ Suqur al-Sham’s split frm Ahrar. Many factions left to join Turkey’s “umbrella” on border. 1
Turkey-Russia deal KEY. It peeled off militant factions from Saudi/Qatar & physically separated them under new Turkish umbrella in north. 3
Important to also note reconciliation deals around Damascus – Darayya, Moadamiya, Ghouta. Rebels are dealmaking, shifting patrons/futures. 5
When separation of forces complete, AQ+terrorists will be destroyed, Turkey’s militants stay W. of Euphrates, everyone piles in on ISIS. 6
Kurds will remain E. of Euphrates, but Kurdish entity will not be accepted by any party. Kurds took a gamble w/ US encouragement and lost. 8
Hard not to conclude that Saudi, Qatar and the US lost also. And the settler state of course.
Lamentation for the dead. All praise to the fighters.
The incursion zone could become a “safe zone” for refugees to be housed and protected.
Inevitably there will be a reverse flow of refugees back into Syria. UN-backed safe zones have to be in areas where protection is feasible.
Trump will demand this solution to the refugee problem.
With so many buildings destroyed, millions will need safe zones for a few years.
Mid East in a Nutshell: The friction of war is both mutable and immutable. The art of deception in war is both covert and overt. As the art of war is also a science, it is therefore always given to change, for war in itself is part of the dialectical experience in the human condition that has arisen since the early dawn of civilization.
Turkish dialectic delight:
Isis ( Wahabi Islamism) thesis/ anti Isis ( Turkish Islamism) anti thesis/ Assad gone–synthesis
Operation Euphrates Shield was to push the Kurds back across the Euphrates. US put special forces personal on the frontline with the Kurds to prevent Turkey pushing the US zone back and are now pushing Turkey to create this so called safe zone. Turkey – or Erdogan supporters seem to be very anti US so will have to see what comes of this.
See, operation wet diapers having had the same effect
Then you might foreshadow in your slumber, that a peolple, like the kurds will also not just go away.
Yousee… The whole of the future of Great Jewsrael or magnificent kikedom depends of the heroism of the…kike
Thus it is bound to fail.
You have to give it to Erdogan, it seems that he’s manipulating Washington and not vice versa. ‘He saw them a coming a mile away.’
That may explain all those visits to Israel ; he got them to tutor him how to manipulate D.C.. ‘He learned from the experts.’ I’ll bet that if you want to buy an American politician, the best place to make the deal is Israel. They probably have a Dept. dedicated just to selling American political influence and state secrets.
Google Sibel Edmonds.
If I were the Russians, I would keep an eagle eye on Erdogan. If he is having anything to do with the Khazarian Jews of Israel or any of the other Hebrews in the shadows. I personally believe that there are a lot of Hebrews in the world working the back door while the Khazarian Jews are the ones in the spotlight.
Turkey wants to create buffer zone for refugees. This is first reason, second reason, they dont want YPG rebels in arab areas for security reason.
Soraya is absolutely correct – the US and Israel has NOT given up and CANNOT give up because if Syria is NOT taken out of the game as an ally of Hizballah in Lebanon and Iran, then the long-desired elimination of the “Axis of Resistance” – Hizballah, Syria and Iran – can not be accomplished.
And not being able to accomplish this long-term goal is totally unacceptable to the US and Israel elites. It would mean Iran continues to have influence in the Middle East against both the US and Israel and there would be no decades-long war with Iran for the benefit of the US military-industrial complex war profits which are winding down due to the winding down of Afghanistan and Iraq.
The US is happy to have a bunch of jihadists running around in the Middle East and they are happy to BOTH support these jihadists AND bomb them as well. It’s the perfect situation to MAKE MONEY AND achieve geopolitical goals.
Unfortunately Soraya did not explicitly link the Syria crisis to the long-term goal of eliminating Hizballah and Iran. But she is absolutely correct that the game plan remains in place – and this implies that Turkey is merely one of Obama’s “stalking horses”.
It should be OBVIOUS that any action Turkey takes against the Kurds DIRECTLY AIDS ISIS and AlQaeda in Syria and also weakens the Russian effort against the insurgents. So the fact that Erdogan may – or may not – have a primary interest in defeating the Kurds’ efforts to establish their own “safe zone” in Syria does NOT contradict his interest in weakening Syria itself.
In other words, it is a completely FALSE dichotomy that Turkey is supposedly “accepting” Assad while at the same time attacking the Kurds. It is a FALSE dichotomy that Turkey is either cooperating with the US or cooperating with Russia. Turkey can do both up to a point.
What Russia needs to understand is that Turkey can not be trusted and that a Turkish invasion is a game changer as much as the Russian intervention was last fall. If Russia does not reverse this invasion and eliminate the “safe haven”, Turkey and the US will use that safe haven to undermine the Russian-Syrian-Iran-Hizballah advances made since last fall.
In short, this invasion is a disaster which much be reversed as soon as possible by any means necessary – right up to direct military conflict between Russian and Turkey in Syria.
As I’ve said before, if you lose Syria, you lose the Middle East. Lebanon will be next, and then Iran.
@ Richard Steven Hack:
My take on this is close to yours. I’m rather sick of all these “masterful strokes of brilliance” which us mere mortals can’t even begin to comprehend, even though months and months after the so-called ‘masterful stroke’ was deployed nothing positive transpires, quite the opposite in fact. Things seems to be getting worse and worse all the time.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again; under no circumstances Turkey can be trusted, and we can do little else but hope that at least the good old folks at the FSB are watching them like a hawk day and night.
On the other hand… it sickens me to see Putin all chummed-up with Turdogan at the G20. And yes, I understand why Russia has to be open to dialog with everyone (Dmitry Babic, I’m looking in your general direction), but that “understanding” can only go so far. Like everything else in this world; patience, charity, tolerance (etc) are not limitless.
What I’ve seen from G20 footage when all the leaders get together for a picture or whatever, is Putin standing next to and lively chatting with Turdogan, or Putin with backstabber Merkel (when is he gonna learn? Does he have the memory of a fish or something?), or Putin with a bunch of Arabs in full gear (no idea who they are, and who cares anyways). Lovely company he keeps, though… :/
And I’m sure he met with all the G20 representatives for official private chats, but when he’s free to mingle, well… I already told you folks where he seems to gravitate to.
He reminded me more of a Cameron, than Putin. And look at where Cameron is now! Probably enjoying an ice-cream cone in some grubby English beach, because Prime Minister, he ain’t anymore, that’s for damn sure.
My point is; couldn’t we spot him mingling with any of the other countries? Plenty to choose from, well… if you discard your usual hegemon suspects, that is.
This reminds me of a recent post by Uncle B; in response to someone else’s post about how a list of countries backing Russia, I think; in relation to Crimea (sorry Uncle B, I forget the exact details now), but he said something [paraphrasing]: that is shame that apart from a couple of countries in that list, the rest, usually don’t get the time of the day from Russia. It’s just that I see a co-relation between that comment Uncle B made some days ago, and the random footage from the G20 aired in the last, what? 24, 48 hours?
-TL2Q
The “the good old folks at the FSB” are paid hardmen (funded by a Capitalist state ) no different to those at the CIA – don’t rely on them to sort anything out.
“is Putin standing next to and lively chatting with Turdogan, or Putin with backstabber Merkel (when is he gonna learn? Does he have the memory of a fish or something?), or Putin with a bunch of Arabs in full gear (no idea who they are, and who cares anyways). Lovely company he keeps, though… :/”
Ever heard of the NWO…
Turkey may have made a deal whit russia to play a double game for a while. Not to worsen the diplomatic ties to eu, us or nato, but at the same time help russia and syria to demomolish the u.s backed daesh and kurdish influense in the region. Russia and Syria mildly protest this, but work for the common goal. When US and EU finds out they are losing the game, they might rise tensions on the other front with the greeks and turks due to refugees. It could also affect on russia-greece ties. Greece could also get some relief for it’s Eu driven austerity policy. Anyway, it seems this conflict seems to.be far from over.
https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/772433470031273984
Sharmine Narwani tweets: “US-Russia deal is technicality. Real deal is Russia-Turkey one, already playing out in #Syria battlefield. Separation of forces happening.”
She continues, with successive tweets [1 through 8]:
Jihadi union plan cracking, defections clear w/ Suqur al-Sham’s split frm Ahrar. Many factions left to join Turkey’s “umbrella” on border. 1
Turkey-Russia deal KEY. It peeled off militant factions from Saudi/Qatar & physically separated them under new Turkish umbrella in north. 3
Important to also note reconciliation deals around Damascus – Darayya, Moadamiya, Ghouta. Rebels are dealmaking, shifting patrons/futures. 5
When separation of forces complete, AQ+terrorists will be destroyed, Turkey’s militants stay W. of Euphrates, everyone piles in on ISIS. 6
Kurds will remain E. of Euphrates, but Kurdish entity will not be accepted by any party. Kurds took a gamble w/ US encouragement and lost. 8
Hard not to conclude that Saudi, Qatar and the US lost also. And the settler state of course.
Lamentation for the dead. All praise to the fighters.
Read more at http://syrianperspective.com/2016/09/complete-collapse-of-al-qaeda-coalition-in-southwestern-aleppo-counter-offensive-in-northern-hama-in-full-swing.html#YaRWp4WfTGSUVvxf.99
Here is an interesting video on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAAZbKLHyIk
The incursion zone could become a “safe zone” for refugees to be housed and protected.
Inevitably there will be a reverse flow of refugees back into Syria. UN-backed safe zones have to be in areas where protection is feasible.
Trump will demand this solution to the refugee problem.
With so many buildings destroyed, millions will need safe zones for a few years.
This incursion zone could suffice for Zone 1.
it seems weird that Turkey is active now militarily. didn’t Erdogan get rid of thousands of military people last month ?
From what I have read, the main purge has been in the upper officer levels. Those involved with and pro NATO, and pro US/west officers.
Soraya is a much deeper thinker and has a longer vision than the gentleman. She looks so sad.
Thierry Meyssan summarizes the multilateral conflict in Syria in ‘The Kurdistan Projects’:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article193142.html