The great exodus of the defenders of the Independent Ukraine

Apparently, CNN (broadcast) is claiming Ze has announced that Russia will absolutely, positively invade on Wed. Feb.16., curiously, the story isn’t on their web site. So stay tuned, I guess

Hysteria now is at top level also in colonies like Italy: after months of silence about Ukraine, now all tv channels are full of “experts” and maps with the arrows indicating the attack lines from north, south, est, south-est. Insane. Everyone is sure that Wednesday will be the d-day. It is not even funny because the mix of ignorance and arrogance is unbearable, now I understand your (you and Andrei Martyanov) disappointment with these western experts of Russia. One guy stated that if Russia cannot sell gas to Europe, she will have no more clients and will be in danger.. This reminded your map comparing the “international community” according to the West.
Anyway, let us hope for the best, and I wish your child a fast recovery, but take care of yourself also.

Since earlier today, there is news in Serbian media, referring to the Greek Ministry of foreign affairs announcement reported by Reuters, about 4 killed and wounded Greek soldiers close to the demarcation line to Donbass in an incident with Ukraine forces.
The announcement dismiss any connection to the Donbas conflict and describes it as a quarrel about some trivial thing that led to a killing and wounding of Greek soldiers. Three Ukraine soldiers were involved.

Saker,

Good to have you back! Hope the best for your family’s health.

Here’s my two cents –

It’s clear that this is a massive psyop being generated out of DC and London. RT was saying that the purpose of this psyop is to goad Russia into an attack on Ukraine. If Russia does not attack, so the reasoning goes, the Biden (War Inc., Deep State) can claim victory. After all, they forced those mean and evil Ruskies to back off. If that’s what they really believe, they are truly smoking something. But given the amplification of their views throughout the corporate media of the USA, I would not be surprised.

I’m not sure where all of this leads to, however. NATO seems a nebulous amorphous blob under the control of a man named Stoltenberg. The “coalition” of 30 nations appears to have only four legitimate power sources – DC, London, Paris, and Germany – and only DC and London appear to be represented by “the Stoltenberg.”

The primary argument put forth by DC, London, and “the Stoltenberg” is that Ukraine is a sovereign “democratic” nation that should be permitted to join NATO if it wants. But what is sovereignty? Was Iraq a sovereign country when the USA bombed it in 1991, sanctioned medicine and food in the 90s, and invaded it in 2003 and still occupies it? What about Afghanistan? Was it a sovereign country when the USA invaded it in 2001 and bombed it back to the stone age? What about Syria, where the USA invaded it continues to have illegal bases on its soil while extracting its mineral wealth without permission – literally stealing from Syria. What about Venezuela, which despite elections, was told its leader was Juan Guaido, a guy who had never stood for national office? And what about Venezuela’s $1 billion in gold that was absconded by the Bank of England? Let’s not forget the USA overthrow of democratically elected leaders in Honduras, Bolivia, Brazil, and Ukraine over the last decade. Are they sovereign nations? How is it that the USA and its punk little brother, the UK, have the right to determine sovereignty for other countries but Russia cannot make demands of a nation led by USA-installed NAZI leaders? It seems that sovereignty is only determined by whether you accede to the demands of the Anglo-Saxon elites in the USA and the UK!

Perhaps more importantly, why is Russia not pointing out this glaring consistency???

It’s interesting to see as one possible response Russia’s consideration of arming the Donbass with lethal weapons. I certainly think this should be done ASAP. After all, the USA and UK appear indifferent to Russia’s demands and continue to arm Ukraine. And just this morning, Jake Sullivan is suggesting the US taxpayer underwrite loans of up to $1 billion for Ukraine. Why? I’m sure it’s to line the pockets of War, Inc. Depressing….

Awaiting Russia’s responses. I hope they’re good ones!

The Kansan

Saker,

First off, I wish a speedy and full recovery to your son. I also wish all your family to stay safe and healthy. My impression is we will all someday catch covid, but the effects will, hopefully, be milder as time goes on.

As for the current hysteria, I’m waiting in expectation for thursday to come. The one thing that was / is worrying me is the reports by the russian officials (I forget who) about an imminent false flag. Other than that, I still think there is a lot of smoke screen and distracting tactics out there. From a report from the local media here, I got the impression that Lavrov was a little less harsh than you mentioned, as trying to give hope about a possible diplomatic agreement. The visit of the german MP Scholtz to Russia soon is one more thing to be (a little) hopeful for (and BTW, this and Macron’s last week visit are two reasons for part of the West hysteria). The fact that Russia is taking part of the troops now in Belarus back to Russia may be used by both sides to tone down the hysteria. The report I saw also mentioned that Lavrov said the last US offers contain some value, even though they don’t address all russian requests. According to the report, Lavrov also said that, although the US has given these offers, NATO and the OSCE haven’t yet.

The situation is a lot murky, and given the humongous hysteria from the West, a false flag may very well happen soon out of their desperation. But I keep thinking that perhaps what happened was a part of the deep state planned something, were caught (although not publicly), and the US had to scurry away to find something for damage control. What they did, of course, only increased the damage… I keep thinking the anticipation of the phone call between Putin and Biden to saturday, when it was planned for today, was a kind of desperate plea for Russia to help them to save face… That would be laughable, but also a great opportunity for Russia to get some favorable agreement. I’m in hypothesizing here, though.

The next few days should throw some light on all this mess.

I hope everyone stays safe.

I almost want to belly laugh at this situation but the suffering of common people like me in Ukraine prevents me from doing so. Only now does it dawn on Ze that he is the organ grinder’s monkey. Sure the EU and NATO promised comprehensive support, now see as they scurry off their sinking pawn. This was never about EuropeanUnion–Ukraine Association Agreement but rather the destruction of Russia. Now see that the EU could careless about the destruction of Ukraine. There are signs that perhaps the government of Ukraine is being to wise up but it looks a little to late. The good news is the Russians have no intention of invading. The Ukrainian can save itself by exposing any attempt at a false flag operation by the Empire. Really the choice is clear, NATO has abandoned Ukraine. Just as predicted.

Do these lunatic defenders of democracy think that Lvov is far & safe from Russian weapons? Risible!

What Russia seeks is security guarantees from further east lurking of the old relic NATO and what the collective West talks 24/7 is invasion of Ukraine. Is that what they call controlling the information space?

Saker,
I found tea with lemon and/or ginger is good. You may try for your son.

Proper reply to false flag and the following attack would be to do the necessary minimum with the ukies and simultaneously and publicly, with live broadcast, wipe out all the points of commands, obliterating every “instructor”, launch site and built up NATO presence in 3B+PU. Nothing less would wake up the people in the West and remind them of the imbeciles they left by the wheel.
And for the imbeciles, the only public statement should be that next targets in case of them not getting the message would not be the people of the West, but the imbeciles themselves, naming them by name and surname.

Yes, this will bring the world to the edge, but so did the Cuban crisis. World should either wise up or go to ashes.

@ Saker

“All the glorious wannabe defenders of the Independent Ukraine are all on the run. Literally…”

As we say in Texas, “all hat and no cattle.”

So, who is going to defend the “glorious” Ukraine? The babushkas? Ukronazis and their master-minders are using the Ukrainian people on a military porn show by pretending “training the masses” for a general defense of the country, as if having a weapon means you’re armed. Reckless and callous to use their own people as cannon fodder.

The hysteria has reached the max, we can expect anything to happen this week, even though Russia is giving peace a chance by offering further negotiations. If evacuations mean word has gotten out to the VIP a false flag is coming, Russia is ready for that too.

A waiting game…

Lone Wolf

I see 3 exit scenarios :
It would then all have been only a farce PR. As told by Arno above.

Russia wants NATO etc out of the Ukraine, NATO etc has agreed and is leaving. The scare is a cover, in a week NATO is out while never agreeing to leave. As told by Jack above and also suggested by the title of the post by Andrei.

Or a false flag?? Will they dare??

In all cases, but the last one, the power of russia armed forces supported by China has played the leading role in deterring the anglo. Absolutely incredible and truly historical. I am optimistic.

The announcement that will not be!

War? Ideas to the war? The hustle and bustle that is currently being spread deals with war. Russia does not need war to gain land. It needs security. It has enough land, huge amounts of land and sea borders to protect. The problem is NATO and the current leaders of Ukraine. There is sort of an elite in front of the president of Ukraine. Commonly called the Uki-Nazis. Now these are the people who are now using the arms supplies from the West to possibly carry out a false flag, while the West is hysterically screaming war and withdrawing ambassadors, calling on their citizens to leave Ukraine.

But wait. There are red lines from Russia. Russia is merely seeking a return to the foreign policy situation of 1997. Everything will not and does not have to happen overnight. And in my estimation, it will not be a matter of the Baltic countries leaving NATO (of course, that would be beneficial). It is only about the security guarantees, the demands that were set at that time in terms of foreign policy. And only on this basis all further relations will be built.

Weakness, no such thing exists for NATO and the US (which is quasi NATO). There were negotiations. First, in the triangle of Russia, NATO and the OSCE. Russia remained firm, while NATO hoped to intimidate Russia.

The West does not have the resource potential to resist Russia. Moreover, NATO is in complete disagreement. Members are not willing to provide troops for Ukraine or to worsen relations with Russia. You can only win a war united and as a cohesive unit.

Look at Britain, look at the demonstrations against the attempted totalitarian system and I like to look at the struggle between the elite in the U.S. and more and more jumping off important people and opinion makers, or should I say the second elite in the U.S.? Anyway.

It is the opportunity of disobedience for many countries. Or in other words, the Russian revolt (Russia is teeming with Yank lackeys in the state apparatus), is a go-ahead signal to get out of the embrace. Think of the appointments of Macron and Baerbock, who suddenly cancelled talks with Ukraine. Think of Olaf Scholz, who said something about climate protection when asked about Nordstream 2, but did not put NS2 in his mouth. The US was against publishing the answer to the question, others say Russia’s ultimatum. It was published.

Russian position is strong. No Russia does not want to expand, like the Romans or the US at the moment, to achieve the only sense of a world government. And who is still not satisfied with these statements. The US carelessly or unintentionally entered the negotiations on the transformation of the world on the Russian positions. Now they are stuck and since it was made public, they have acknowledged that they are participating in these negotiations. Thank God for that. And the whole world is watching.

In the past, the U.S. government would have said, I don’t care, and moved on. It would have been quickly forgotten. Now even Biden is calling Putin to talk. That hasn’t happened before either. And always remember. Russia does not want war. Russia, with China, has not only publicly declared its new role once again, but is receiving prominent support. The U.S. lackey countries can break away, from the great dependence.

What could happen in Ukraine. I could further imagine a false flag attempt by Ukraine to accuse Russia of starting a “war”. How about a 5-day war then? Either way, NATO member states would have and do have that reason to leave Ukraine. They are doing it right now. It is then only about the Uki-Nazis who must be eliminated so that Ukraine could become an independent state. The hysteria is needed so that the flight of the West is not conspicuous. But the hysteria was too conspicuous for me.

The last paragraph was my version. Let’s wait and see. I don’t see a full-scale war.

“Defense Minister Shoigu has announced that Russian military exercises have been partially completed and will be curtailed in the coming days.”

– A riddle for the enemy: how many weapons, military and special equipment (AMSE) and personnel will return to their places of permanent deployment. :)))

Here’s a piece of rubbish from the ATimes attempting to lead the story into a Russia “loses face and capitulates” narrative etc.

On queue, just like certain vaccines magically dampen a virus wave just as it was going through its natural wind down cycle anyway, the end (and wind-down) of the scheduled annual Russian military exercises will be re-framed in msm as a backdown and humiliation.

All the while the American led Nato scampers out of town as fast as they can, like cockroaches when the lights go on, before the bar and damages bill is presented for the after party cleanup. Expect more of this BS for some weeks to cover a number of ill-winds, … including the recent Durham report covering a certain Mr Sullivan at centre of an investigation into the Clinton machine spying on President Trump etc.

“Since 2014, Moscow has been fighting a proxy war in the Donbas – a coal-rich region in Eastern Ukraine – against Western-backed Ukrainian armed forces. But after Russia issued its “ultimatum” to the United States, Moscow’s room for political maneuvers became limited.

Now the Kremlin’s choices are very narrow: war or humiliation.

If Moscow backs down and withdraws its troops from Belarus and Russia’s Western regions bordering Ukraine, the West will undoubtedly see such actions as a sign of weakness. Moreover, it will become crystal clear that Russia was bluffing all the time.”

https://asiatimes.com/2022/02/russia-showing-signs-of-de-escalation-on-ukraine/

Submitted only as a current example of the distorted msm narratives on the fringe of the empire.

Keen critical discourse analysis will identify how each little potential objection or question is twisted or deflected into reienforcing all biased presumptions of the mind-controlling tropes at large. People scan this muck (probably just the headlines and a couple of paragraphs at most) and then go to sleep on it and let it settle into a cognitive dissonance avoiding subconscious filter.

(quote) “The US has warned repeatedly over the past weeks that the Kremlin will attempt to stage an attack inside Ukraine to create a pretext for an invasion of the country.

Russian operatives would probably attack Russian land or ethnic Russians in Ukraine, film and publicise the aftermath, as if it had been a Ukrainian attack on Russians, thus giving the Kremlin a justification for an invasion, the Pentagon said.

“As part of this fake attack,” Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said on February 4, “we believe that Russia would produce a very graphic propaganda video which would include corpses and actors that would be depicting mourners and images of destroyed locations.” … etc.” (end quote)

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/what-is-a-false-flag-the-us-says-russia-may-use-it-to-invade-ukraine-20220214-p59w9f.html

Anyone who has made any effort to follow and understand the Syrian war playbook will easily recognise the script being set out here. The problem is, to the intelligent and critically aware mind, it is clearly utter rubbish and yet this just adds to the problem of understanding how and why it works so effectively with a well groomed mass-formationed audience. There is always hope, but it is hard to find sometimes.

US senators have acknowledged that they will not be able to pass a bill on sanctions against Russia before the alleged “attack” on Ukraine, and began to prepare a non-binding resolution that would warn Moscow of serious consequences in the event of an attack.

“Senators in both parties concede they’ve missed the window to hit Moscow with new sanctions before a possible invasion, but they vow swift action if Putin moves on Ukraine.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/congress-runs-time-pre-emptive-russia-sanctions-rcna16229

On 14/02 they had to invade, which is Valentine’s Day ….
Congratulations to Russia for its high strategy and the wonderful tactics it follows. The dead West is panting with phlegm, their waterfall in Ukraine has shown the world that they have long since died.
In my opinion, Putin won parts of Ukraine without throwing a bullet, we will see that happen in time.
No sanctions, no blockades are going to stop the Russians and the Chinese. For the first time in the history of capitalism we see the creation of such an “empire” that seems to be stopped only by nuclear weapons. I look forward to admiring Putin’s next game of chess.
Greetings from GREECE.

“I think that it is prudent and logical to assume that the Anglos will come up with something in the next 48 hours.”

I suspect that something is this:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pelosi-just-gave-game-away-over-ukraine?

“Can you see the domestic political scenario that has been created out of thin air?

First, accuse Vladimir Putin of doing something he never intends to do, a fabricated scenario. Second, tell the world you will strongly respond to the fabricated scenario. Third, tell the world the exact date when the fabricated scenario is supposed to happen. Then, when the fabricated scenario never happens, it is because you are so brilliant and strong to have outmaneuvered and cowed the Russians.”

Zone A is run by mardy arsed twelve year olds pretending to be grown up’s.

Someone wrote Putin has won. They are all running away from KIEV and a permanent Rupture between the Ukraine and the west has already been effected by a Voodoo military that refuses to attack but is up to something enigmatic in Syria. :)