By Unorthodox Black Sheep VN (aka A Vietnamese Reader) for The Saker Blog
Donald Trump and Vietnamese President Nguyễn Phú Trọng in front of a statue of Ho Chi Minh in Hanoi, February 27, 2019. (Credit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Vietnam_relations#/media/File:President_Trump’s_Trip_to_Vietnam_(33352865778).jpg ) I use the image for title.
In my late article “What Wrong With Vietnam Today?”, I had underestimate the power of the pro-US faction in Vietnam. After my observing and investigating in the recent months, I found out they are in fact very powerful than I thought. Despite the fact that pro-China faction are very powerful because they are the corrupted officials in the Vietnam Government, pro-US faction was very powerful due to four main reasons in my own opinions:
1. They have the approval of Vietnamese.
2. Sinophobia.
3. They try to whitewash the US crime in Vietnam.
4. Pro-US or pro-First World Countries medias in and outside Vietnam.
Pro-China is same to pro-US is pro-money. The pro-money people will do anything, even selling their own country, to put money to their pocket as much as they can that they are bribed.
Before analyzing the three reasons on pro-US, I want to be “fair” with both faction so I will go on pro-China first.
Pro-China faction is very dangerous to Vietnam right now because they willing to let the Chinese government officials go inside to Vietnam to do anything with Vietnam materials without keeping their eyes on China, and the Chinese company didn’t even hire or train Vietnamese locals to work for them, they use Chinese worker instead. However, pro-China actions can be limited or pressured by Vietnamese so easily if Vietnamese notice the action due to anti-China sentiment, and Vietnamese can’t stop the pro-China faction, of course. In conclusion, pro-China faction are very dangerous but it can be limited and pressured if Vietnamese people notice its action.
Let begin to analyzing on the pro-US faction.
1. They have the approval of Vietnamese.
Since the Barack Obama Presidency, the relationship between Vietnam and US begin more warmer one by one. Vietnamese relatives and friends, who live in US or Western, had contacted to their relatives and friends to talk about how great US or First World is especially under Obama. Corruption in Vietnam, that is increased and gone rampaged right now, had the greatly bad affect on Vietnamese believe so greatly, combine with the story of how great First World is from their relatives and friends, Vietnamese today had concluded that US or First World government system truly care for their own people, and Vietnam today is no hope to save. Vietnamese TV channel system had show to Vietnamese many Hollywood propaganda movies, and they believe the movie without any critical thinking. During 2016-2017, I try to convince to some of my friends or relatives that Vietnamese overseas are not representative of what truly happened in the US or First World in general because they are small minority compare to the US or First World locals, and the locals of the First World are being suffered due to the corruption of the government. However, they don’t even listen and denounce that I talk nonsense. I even told them about the Rotherham rape, PizzaGate, Boeing 737, etc, and they would call me paranoid, exaggerate, or Vietnam is currently worse than the incident that I listed.
Next, Vietnam is very Pro-US country in the ASEAN. It is true that since the 2013, Vietnamese economic had been improved thank to the US influence. However, the economic improvement, from my understanding on the thing around, is just short term goal not long term, and the corruption is still rampaged and get more worse in Vietnam right now.
There is a story that still very popular to Vietnam right now (and I believe it is real from my understanding on history) is that Ho Chi Minh was originally pro-US and he tried to convinced US support Vietnam before the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. I finally found only one and rare article (at least right now) talk about how Ho Chi Minh admired US. I will quote some part of the article “The little-known story of Vietnamese communist leader Ho Chi Minh’s admiration for the US” for you guys:
“The initial US intelligence assessment of Ho Chi Minh was that he was more nationalist than communist and was an acceptable partner. So, the US provided him with weapons and training teams to help teach his Viet Minh guerrillas how to fight.
Ho Chi Minh’s admiration for the US is most clearly seen in the language he wrote in Vietnam’s own declaration of independence, which he issued on Sept. 2, 1945, just as the Japanese empire was crumbling in defeat. The first line of that declaration is a direct quote from the American version: “All men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights; among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”
It’s likely this was partly sincere, and partly a play for US help in decolonization, based on Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s anti-colonial rhetoric.
This has all led some writers to speculate counterfactually, that the US missed an opportunity to “flip” Ho Chi Minh, and thus could somehow have avoided the Vietnam War. Most historians think that’s a step too far. Ho Chi Minh was a committed communist from the 1920s. He was persecuted for it and yet stuck to his guns. And however much he may have liked America’s anti-colonial history, he could never have been a sincere partner for the US. The anti-communist forces in South Vietnam were much more natural partners for the US.
That’s not to say he ended his admiration and emulation of America’s Founding Fathers. Ho Chi Minh and his top general, Vo Nguyen Giap, modeled their war to some extent on George Washington’s fight against the British: wear down the enemy, avoid catastrophic defeat, keep the army in being and simply make it too expensive for your superior enemy to continue the war.”
The story about how Ho Chi Minh admired US one of the indirect reason for pro-US mindset in Vietnam today. However, that does not mean I think Ho Chi Minh is US shill, he is a great hero to Vietnam in my opinion.
Since the May 2019, Vietnamese must submit their social media information to receive US Visa, and Vietnamese from top to low don’t even care about how dangerous it is, you guy can go to the link “https://www.ustraveldocs.com/vn/vn-gen-faq.asp” and read question 25. By the way, this is the picture I take when I check the DS-160 online filling form to confirm the information:
In conclusion, the pro-US can get away with their corruption action thanks to the approval on US of Vietnamese.
2. Sinophobia.
Sinophobia is not only simple phobic but also the sign of distrust on Vietnam government due the action of pro-China faction. Before the 2010s, Vietnamese had only anti-China government sentiment, not anti-Chinese today. Few week ago, I just find out that there are two Vietnamese anti-China government film, Đất Mẹ (Motherland), and Người Bạn Ấy (That Friend) that were made during 1980s, got banned by Vietnam Government after 1980s for normalizing relationship between Vietnam and China during 1990s, and reappeared again in Youtube today somehow.
Đất Mẹ (Motherland)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fImSVK2ojPI
Người Bạn Ấy (That Friend)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9YgPL5jKO0
I will summary the main point of two Vietnamese propaganda movies that China Government or Chinese Elites are treason at heart, and Chinese commoners/soldiers similar to Vietnamese are not evil, and they were the victim of Chinese Government propaganda, and Vietnamese should hate China Government, and should sympathize for how Chinese soldiers suffer. Let took a look some anti-China Government poster during between 1979 and 1980s:
You guys can click the link above to see how the poster describe China Government brainwashed or forced their own people died for them. By the way, the word “Hiện Đại Hóa” in the rocket mean “Modernization”. In conclusion, Vietnamese is anti-China Government before 2010s.
Today, anti-China government had evolved into Sinophobic in many nasty ways like demonizing Chinese in general. Let take a look some poster:
(Credit: https://phunutoday.vn/biem-hoa-da-kich-hanh-dong-ngang-nguoc-cua-tq-tren-bien-dong-d49457.html )
The Board: “Best Neighbor” (Roughly Translated by me)
(Credit: https://news.zing.vn/xem-gian-khoan-981-qua-biem-hoa-post431339.html)
The Manchu Chinese said: “Our People Don’t Have Invasion Genes” and the black flags represent the time or era when China invaded Vietnam.
The anti-Chinese poster today had been approved by Vietnamese today because the poster used the truth to manipulate Vietnamese to hate the whole China from top to low, and Vietnamese don’t even recognized the poster above are exactly same to Yellow Peril poster:
(Credit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril )
More horribly, Vietnamese today will react in some crazy way when they heard the word “China”. You guys still remember the violent anti-China in 2014 that killed 21 Chinese because the oil rig Hai Yang Shi You 981 standoff? The Anti-China Protest in 2014 had improved ties between Vietnam and US. That is the evidence on how dangerous Sinophobia in Vietnam.
Last year, the anti-China on ‘99-year concessions in planned special economic zones’ had proved how dangerous the Sinophobia is. Allow me to give you guys short explain, the 99-year special economic zones is not only for China but also for any foreign countries like US, British, Japan, Korea, etc. who put highest price on the zones. When I noticed the protest, I think something like that: “Yeah right, if US want to use the special economic zones, you guys will agree immediately without thinking.” By the way, they even protest with the American flag:
Vietnamese protesters shout slogans against a proposal to grant companies lengthy land leases during a demonstration in Ho Chi Minh City on June 10, 2018.The draft law at the centre of the furore would allow 99-year concessions in planned special economic zones, which some view as sweetheart deals for foreign and specifically Chinese firms. / AFP PHOTO / Kao NGUYEN (Credit: https://journal-neo.org/2018/06/26/whats-really-behind-anti-china-protests-in-vietnam/ )
In conclusion, Sinophobia in Vietnam today is really good favor for pro-US faction.
3. They try to whitewash the US crime in Vietnam.
Pro-US faction try to white-wash US war crime in Vietnam in my unthinkable way. For example, in 2015, Hoa Nơi Chiến Trường (Flower At Battlefield) use the photoshop image to whitewash US war crime like that below:
(Credit: https://billbalo.com/hoa-noi-chien-truong/)
(Credit: https://www.tin247.com/du_luan_day_song_phan_doi_trien_lam_hoa_noi_chien_truong-20-23435446.html)
And the Vietnamese law enforcement had stopped the nonsense.
In 2016, VTV24 whitewashed the agent orange by saying that: “Chiếc máy bay số hiệu UH-1D từ Đại đội không quân 336 đang rải chất diệt cỏ trong vùng rừng của châu thổ sông Mê Kong. 26/07/1969”. I roughly translated: “UH-1D aircraft from 336 Air Force Company is spraying herbicides in the forests of the Mekong Delta. 07/26/1969”. They double down the Agent Orange by calling orange poison “herbicides” !!!!
(Credit: http://googletienlang2014.blogspot.com/2016/08/vtv24-la-cua-viet-nam-hay-cua-e-quoc-my.html )
There are bunch of so-called history revisionists try to convinced Vietnamese accept the name “Republic Of Vietnam” for South Vietnamese Government instead the name we still used for the SVn Gov is “Ngụy” (Ngụy mean Fake). This is unacceptable to many Vietnamese, including me, who truly understand the Vietnamese history, especially the old ones, because the SVN is literally the puppet of US since the death of Ngo Dinh Diem. I, including the other sane Vietnamese, will not accept the name “Republic of Vietnam”, and I still call the SVN government is “Fake.”
There are more incident about whitewashing US crime in Vietnam that is happening so quietly and nobody notice about this.
In conclusion, Vietnamese pro-US faction try to whitewash the US crime from Vietnam history books.
4. Pro-US or pro-First World Countries medias in and outside Vietnam.
Unlike the China, Vietnam does not have good Great Firewall like China, Vietnam does not ban Youtube, and Vietnamese can accessed many US propaganda Channel like China Uncensored, Trung Quốc Không Kiểm Duyệt (Vietnamese Dubbed Version of China Uncensored), RAF, CNN, BBC, etc. in the youtube or any propaganda sources in the internet with VPN, and Vietnamese can trust the propaganda channel so easily due to lack of critical thinking skills, low opinion on their own country due to corruption on Vietnam, bias view point on first world countries from their friends or relative who currently live in the first world country.
Vietnam medias today is extremely pro-US, and they do the propaganda thing volunteer or by money.
The online news Zing.vn had made propaganda against the Donbass in the last week in “Putin, Zelensky gặp nhau ở Paris để giải quyết xung đột Ukraine” (Roughly translated by me: Putin, Zelensky meet at Paris to solve the conflict in Ukraine). They wrote like this:
“Mục tiêu của cuộc gặp bao gồm thống nhất giải tán lực lượng phiến quân bất hợp pháp, rút lực lượng chiến đấu nước ngoài khỏi Donetsk và Lugansk, và Ukraine giành lại quyền kiểm soát biên giới với Nga, theo một nguồn tin từ văn phòng tổng thống Pháp.”
Roughly translated by me:
“The goal of the meeting include dispersing the illegal rebels, withdraws the foreign forces from Donetsk and Lugansk, and Ukraine will take the right to control the border with Russia, according to the information from office of French President.”
Zing.vn called Donbass militant ILLEGAL like calling them ISIS (If I understand right).
Abominable is the movie that was shown in Vietnam about 10 days and banned after people noticed the dash line in South China Sea.
(Credit: https://www.businessinsider.com/abominable-dreamworks-movie-vietnam-ban-south-china-sea-map-2019-10)
Vietnamese media just blame China only and they don’t blame US. From the movie, I suspect that US trolled both Vietnam and China to provoke two countries kill each other.
Moreover, most of Vietnamese medias, especially VnExpress, usually posted the Sinophobic reports on Chinese activity on South China Sea without being skeptical and critical. Vietnamese medias today will do anything to favor the US, and demonizing Chinese in general to make money. For example, Vietnamese medias usually propaganda the Hong Kong protest to be an example that how evil mainland Chinese is, and Vietnamese should learn Hong Kong protester on how to protect their own country from “evil Chinese.”
In conclusion, Vietnamese is currently being brainwashed with US propaganda by media in and outside the country.
From that, I concluded that Pro-US faction in Vietnam is really powerful and dangerous in “hidden” way. I hope my report help you guys understand more about the pro-US faction, and I hope you guys can give me feedback, and I will try my best to answer your questions as much as I can.
I hear that a Vietnamese car company called Vinfast is looking to break into the US Car market which just astounds me really? Here in Canada GM is shutting down one it largest plants putting thousands of people out of work. We can’t sell cars such as it is and this vinfast is apparently incapable of making it a go financially in their own country and so wants to penetrate the American market? I can’t get over this really? Raises so many questions about the economics of it all?
https://tiresandparts.net/news/automotive/vinfast-set-to-become-first-domestic-car-manufacturer-in-vietnam/
In some ways I really wish that Peak Oil was true maybe then all this insanity would stop?
The car business is really not as easy as one would predict, there are many things that can be wrong about ones car design, but the one thing that is a known is that (like pro-us factions everywhere) you’ll never get the chance to talk to Mr. Big about his defective designs’ like airbags and much more like this.
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2018/volkswagen-cc-suspension-problems-tire-wear.shtml
I afraid that I can explain to you in the simple way that Vietnamese does not have long term thinking, and for some bizarre reason, they always prefer short term goals.
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
@Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
Your impression is almost exactly the same impression of a Vietnamese colleague of mine who made several trips to Vietnam to help Vietnam Economy and technology (my friend is an exceptional expert in his field whose family has several members with genius level IQ). My poor idealistic friend provided free training for some of Vietnamese technical people, scientists and engineers in his field, he also tried creating tech startups there too (to give you idea how good he was in his area, the Chinese government invited him to Beijing at very very good money to train Chinese scientist and engineers too; after noticing his work with Vietnamese scientists and engineer in Hanoi – this is a very rare honor, especially since Chinese, at the time, had inferiority complex to white westerner experts and would reserve this type of invitation only for white experts, due to their false assumption that only white westerners had “magical skills” in organization and technical skills, secondly, he was Vietnamese (Chinese have vietphobia just like Chinese have sinophobia) ).
After hitting his head against corruption and bureaucracy wall in Vietnam, he return, having failed in his goal to help Vietnam, and tell me almost exactly same conclusion as you: he was totally depressed, his conclusion that 2 countries are succeeding in conquering Vietnam with money, influence and corruption even though they could not conquer Vietnam by direct military war. The 2 countries? USA and China. In his opinion, he felt China was much more dangerous for Vietnam long term because they are right next door and have huge population, but he felt USA was much more efficient in penetrating and influence, far quicker and stronger than China, but less of long term threat because they cannot physically maintain presence in region forever.
I asked him what do Vietnamese officials and people think of Russia? His answer was that Russia was not even the mindspace of the officials he dealt with nor among common Vietnamese, only China and USA/West. It would be interesting if you did some digging to determine where Russia stands in view of Vietnamese military, Vietnamese officials, and common Viet.
It is amazing how close his assessment is to yours; I am sending him your article.
@Anaam.
Thank you for your story,
About the Russia, I truly don’t know if Russian still trust Vietnam after Vietnam medias throw Russia to under the bus since the 2014 until now, especially 2016. I am personally believed USA is more dangerous than to China due to its track records, and many Vietnamese don’t even know the Talmudic, Zionism and Wahhabism. I suggest you and your friend should read:
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/
/a-crash-course-on-the-true-causes-of-antisemitism/
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-here-s-who-really-attended-the-u-s-embassy-gala-in-jerusalem-1.6095501 (Look like Vietnam and Israel are best buddies to each other now).
You guys can find more things about how Israel controls US in the Unz Review.
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
You are welcome, thank you for your story too.
You say that Russia not trust Vietnam and reverse is true also.
That is truly strange that Russia not trusted by Vietnam or vis versa because Russia continues to arm Vietnam to the teeth with ship killing supersonic cruise missiles to which the Chinese navy has zero defense against. And then we have the military base at Camran bay to which only the Russian Airforce and Navy have access. Just recently Russia sold submarines and surface warships to Vietnam. It is very strange that Vietnam continues to spend billions on this Russian hardware and training yet does not buy even military rubber boat from USA. According to Russian media Vietnam continues to lobby Russia for even more deadly systems.
Also Vietnam give oil and gas concession to Russian Rosneft state owned company in area of South China Sea that China claim and object a lot but Russian ignore China threats and complaints, here are links:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-rosneft-vietnam-southchinasea-exclusv/exclusive-as-rosnefts-vietnam-unit-drills-in-disputed-area-of-south-china-sea-beijing-issues-warning-idUSKCN1II09H
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/china-warns-russian-firm-against-drilling-oil-off-vietnam/articleshow/64207528.cms
Here is statement from Dmitry Peskov:
China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a warning over Rosneft’s drilling activities in the 06.01 natural gas block, a project of which it owns 35 percent and is an operator. Cooperation with PetroVietnam for offshore projects is drawing Beijing’s ire as the block falls within China’s Nine-Dash Line claims in the South China Sea. The latter points to growing tensions within Russia’s Asia pivot.
………..When asked about China’s warning, Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov stated, “as far as we know, the company has already made a statement that it works exactly in line with the obtained licenses.” Rosneft and Russian gas giant Gazprom both have projects in contested offshore waters with Vietnam
From this it seems there is also pro Russian faction in Vietnam and both pro Russia and pro West faction are against pro China faction and are stronger than pro China faction. Either way it shows disunity in Vietnam, but sinophobia is common unifying force and also money lust.
This is why I ask you dig some more what is Vietnam attitude to Russia.
Thank you so much for your two links. Two links and your explain had confirm my own craziest theory about Vietnam relationship with USA, Russia, and Israel. However, I will talk about that in my future reports.
About the why Russia still trust Vietnam and why Vietnam buy only Russia weapons, I will explain with my own knowledge on this topic:
1. The Russian weapon is cheap and high quality.
2. Russia may see that Vietnam have some potential on some subjects (I need to investigate more).
3. Russia may not trust China on the South China Sea for some reason (May be they also want the oil and gas on South China Sea and they entrust Vietnam more for some reason, I don’t know).
4. Unbelievable and crazy, Patriotism, sane and reasonable Vietnamese are always the pro-Russia ones, and they always grateful for Russian (Soviet) support help during the resistance war again US and they favor Russia more than anything.
5. Anyone who smart enough, according to my research and opinion from my acquaintances, will always build the powerful navy that can do the hit and run tactics like submarine (If I understand right), people know that aircraft carrier outdated, heavy and slowly right now.
I will try to dig more on Russia and Vietnam relationship.
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
Absolutely sad that the US, after what has happened in Vietnam, to have such an influence. In Terms of diplomacy, the US even refused requests of Vietnam for help to clean the land of Agent Orange. It has caused birth defects and deaths up to the present.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/0b/29/c70b29c045271049fd44512a6788944a.jpg
Probably the second most famous photo of Vietnam is this photo a USA soldier proudly holding what’s left of a child after being incinerated by a Napalm Bomb, note all that’s left is the head&shoulders.
This photo should be required for pro-USA Vietnam apologists to defend.
( Of course the most famous is the naked Vietnamese girl running down the road )
Believe me,
Even if you show the picture to Vietnamese, many, especially the Sinophobic, will react in the way “Muh Evil China”, “1000 years colonized by China”, “We have to move on because this is something that cannot be avoid in the war”, etc. (I really hope that I am wrong or paranoid about this).
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
Much like Ukrainians believed that turning away from Russia and joining the EU would be the magical panacea that would make life in the Ukraine like a scene in a European movie, many Vietnamese now believe that life in the West is just like life in a Hollywood movie; Vietnamese who return home are bombarded by demands and requests from friends and relatives for motorcycles, washing machines, etc, since they believe that Vietnamese living in the West are rich… they don’t understand how difficult it is to find a job and pay the rent in the West today.
China is so adept at pissing off and threatening its neighbours (not to mention the ethnic minorities within their own borders) that it can bring former enemies to cooperate against it. lol
How about instead of blaming everything on ‘sinophobia’ and Americans, why don’t they tone down their ‘middle kingdom’ arrogance and stop trying to own, control, and dominate everything around them? If you constantly look down upon and bully around your smaller neighbours, don’t be surprised when there’s a backlash.
“China is so adept at pissing off and threatening its neighbours”? Compared to what superpower?
ALL of China’s neighbors have joined ALL of its initiatives, like BRI and AIIB and are happily finalizing a South China Sea COC. Collectively, they are China’s #1 trading bloc, ahead of #2, the EU and #3, the US.
As a result, all of their economies are growing rapidly, giving all their governments help in upcoming elections.
It’s the economy, stupid!
Dear Mr. Roberts
I have read your articles about China on the Unz Review, your articles help me understand more about China.
However, I think I should give you some feedbacks.
1. Corey talks about the how China right now ramming their neighbors boat in the South China Sea that mean he talk about how China disrespects and violents sovereign right of the neighbors.
2. BRI and AIIB, according to my own knowledge, are the deal that is made by China, not by many countries, so the deal must put China first. Two deals are just same to the master-slave economic relationship between US to its puppet states like Japan, South Korea, Republic of Vietnam etc and only two country (if I am correct) like Japan, and South Korea are rich (two countries have the economic problems right now, of course) because the politicians of the country know how to keep distance and work to US like the puppet and save their face at the same time, and not all country can do it. That mean, from my understanding, the countries, espically Vietnam who is the nemesis of China, must accept to become the puppet of the China to have the economic support from China, and this is a greatly insult on honor, dignity, and indipendence that no country, especially Vietnam, can accept this.
3. AngloZionist empire is very dangerous right now, and I agree that China is a good anti-imperialist country right now but their action on South China Sea is really dangerous to the country around South China Sea. If you take a look at its past, China was an imperialist country, and China is, I afraid, is at it again. Arrogant, from my observing, is the biggest flaw of China, and China doesn’t not overcome its arrogant right now.
I suggest you should watch
Patriotism in Chinese Cinema | Video Essay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK4jasq2uY8
To understand the arrogant of China.
I suggest you should read the CIA propaganda report:
The South China Sea in Strategic Terms
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/the-south-china-sea-strategic-terms
To understand why China want the whole of South China Sea, and how dangerous China is if China claim the whole South China Sea to their own.
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
Good to see you Godfree!
Generally it is necessary to look at China with ‘new eyes’. What they are accomplishing is massive and they make agreements that are not based on puppetry and imperialism. But China in its business affairs is not Santa Claus. If they make an agreement for investment it is usually done on Governmental level, and one better understand that if that Government defaults on the agreement, China will step in, take over that investment and run it for profit.
The business of China is business.
The business of the current imperial hegemon is war on any level, and plunder of others.
The difference is that China is agreement capable and they understand that the sun shines over everyone. If one even tries to look at China through Western eyes, you’ve already stopped understanding.
Corey, you’ve hit the nail on the head!
With economic success the Chinese ruling class have become arrogant beyond belief.
Arrogance is the first step in the decaying of empires.
I believe the mentioned point 4 about the media influence is the most powerful and dangerous. Countries have been toppled based on that alone.
The whole US-Vietnam war was a charade….Being an Indian, I can’t get into Vietnam and set up business easily, and we Indians were neutral. I wanted to check out, how US performs in visa policy and apparently, Americans can come into Vietnam without visa and start business without any major issues, they can stay in Vietnam for years.
Not even Chinese have this privilege..Vietnam already sold out to US before Chinese set up factories…Its all a GIANT SCAM…America & China are FRIENDS too…Just Freemasons pretending to dislike each other.
American’s must have a visa to enter Vietnam.
As far as starting a business, I think China is the easiest, and then Vietnam is in the middle, some country’s in Asia, are darn near impossible to start a biz, as they don’t want foreigners coming in and owning everything.
If you are willing to lay down (MIN INVESTMENT) $10M USD or more, just about any ASIAN country will let you in and start shop, and pledge to hire “N” people forever, …
You know what say, “The way to make a small fortune, is to bring a large fortune to Asia” :)
Lot’s garments, of course they’re all exported to the West and auto’s are fairly common, as there are no costs like EPA, or health, or safety, …
Well on the subject of “INDIA”, just to visit Africa and see what they have done, seriously every biz in Kenya is ran & owned by an Indian, and much of Africa for that matter. I can see why some people don’t want Indians to own it all, as like the two familys in the USA that own all the Motels ( MATEL&PATEL), its what they do. I guess you can call them the Jews of the bottom-tier.
For the Anglo Americans, Vietnam (and also India) are viewed as nothing more than slave labor markets for Anglo-American corporations to exploit and also as imperial stooges/cannon fodder to be deployed against China.
The former concern is especially important now that the American and Chinese economies are decoupling, and the Anglo Americans need a replacement source of massive, exploitable workers that the USA can profit from.
What’s more, it is likely that both Vietnam and especially India will drink heartily from the poisoned chalice of America’s “Washington Consensus” ideology and reap the economic whirlwind that has devastated nations from Latin America to Africa and the Middle East.
Have fun being America’s latest (temporary) “ally”!
Here we go again, ohhhh my gawd
What with this CIA propaganda????
Sure you might find a few ‘pro USA’ vietnam folk who were lifted out in the 1970’s, and live in the USA.
But people in Vietnam, North or South know the USA is a joke.
We already know the agenda, but its lame. The USA ain’t going to get the South-Sand Islands ( Spratly in East-India Company speak ), the USA ain’t going to get the offshore oil, the USA ain’t going to get anything from anybody in ASIA.
The south china sea is owned by the Chinese, end of story.
The tribe has lots of factors in South Vietnam, good luck keeping them, Nike, Columbia Sportswear, … funny they’re all Jewish owned in Vietnam.
I glad you find many Vietnamese from the North to South who know how brutal USA is. Unfortunately, there are many Vietnamese does not recognize how evil USA government is due to the factors that I explain in my reports. This is some proofs:
What Vietnamese Think of Donald Trump | ASIAN BOSS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMdR5o3Mp-8
Vietnamese React To Trump-Kim Summit [Street Interview] | ASIAN BOSS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuSxmPgnM00
Be careful what you wish on “China own South China Sea.”
CIA Propagand report:
The South China Sea in Strategic Terms (To understand why China want to claim the South China Sea, I, of course, don’t believe US want to use South China Sea for self-defense).
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/the-south-china-sea-strategic-terms
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
Having recently lived for a while in neighboring Cambodia I can say that generally in Asia old animosities run deep. So deep so that even that they tend to forget or overlook the recent past no matter how dreadful it was and look with animosity much further into the past. I hate to make this comparison but in some ways this reminds me of a slightly senile person who forgets their recent past but still remembers their childhood due to long-term vs short-term memory loss. This is not unique to SE Asia, however, the same could be said about Japan or Korea.
Thus, it is not surprising to see a lot of Sinophobia in Vietnam and a raproachment with its former enemy the US as China strengthens. We should not forget that the two countries fought a brief war in 1980, albeit short and a lot less bloody than the Vietnam war with the US, but it lends credence to many Vietnamese stereotypes that feel uneasy about their large northern neighbor.
Similarly, in Cambodia most Cambodians will tell you with great bitterness how it was the Vietnamese that stole their land during the great march south in the 17th century and at various times in their history exerted almost complete control over Cambodia. It should come as no surprise that Cambodia has since that time always allied with foreign powers that promised to ‘protect’ it from Vietnam (and Thailand to a lesser degree).
The French were invited to establish a protectorate and during the Khmer Rouge period Pol Pot established close ties with Mao, not just for ideological reasons, despite having been initially supported by Ho Chi Minh. However, whenever I hear these stories and raised the atrocities and numerous war crimes committed by the American bombardment in the late 60s early 70s and the CIA installed puppet regime of Lon Nol with his own war crimes, replies became decidedly less fervent or emotional. This is stunning given that the US intervention helped precipitate the rise of the Khmer Rouge regime.
I don’t know what reference ‘SomeAsianGuy’ has to state that American soft power in SE Asia has been completely broken. During my time in the region (almost 2 years) I experienced the opposite to be true something that completely corroborates with what someAsianGuy described for Vietnam in his article. Be it Hollywood movies, teens using American social media platforms, American fast food chains everywhere, or Cambodians wishing to study in the US.
Thank you for your insights on your country, Vietnam will continue to be pivotal for the control and stability of Southeast Asia and the emerging Multi-Polar system.
surely there parents remember what the usa did. why cant they convince there kids ?
Also is there any mainstream media which is not usa controled
I afraid that I cannot explain to you details about the problem because it is very complicated. I will explain more about this in my possible future report. All I can do to help you understand is the list below:
1. Overseas Vietnamese.
2. Anti China Sentiment.
3. US Propaganda.
4. Corruption.
I will explain more in the future.
Best Regards,
Unorthodox Black Sheep VN.
Let’s me disclose a tiny secret to the people here.
Vietnam is what China was around 50 years ago. They are bidding their times to become powerful again. Once they are powerful again, you will see them being treated badly as China now.