Small caveat first:
I will be honest here, I am extremely uncomfortable with this topic and I greatly hesitated before addressing it here. As I have said it many many times before, there is a US-manipulated crowd of what I call “hurray patriots” which will use anything and everything to blame it all on Putin (just like their US controllers do, of course). So when Putin (or Russia) does something wrong or inept, there is a great real of risk of “adding water to their mill”. However, there is another trap I also refuse to fall into: to look away or not ask the tough questions, even about Putin, just because the Putin-bashers will inevitably use it or indulge in an infantile kind of “we told you so long ago” glee. The truth is we, the real patriots and friends of Russia, cannot let the Putin-bashers completely own the discussion. In fact, I think that the best thing we can do is simply ignore them, just pretend like they are not here, even while we remain acutely aware that an entire segment of the so-called ‘patriotic’ or ‘pro-Russia’ blogosphere is, in reality, used by the enemies of Russia.
Having said that, let’s now turn to
The murder of Motorola:
Motorola was killed yesterday, so the investigation is only beginning, but we already know that he was killed by a remotely controlled bomb place in the elevator shaft of his house. DNR officials have immediately blamed the murder on a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance unit. The Ukies, of course, were more than happy to confirm and take credit for this.
And this is were problems begin.
For one thing, Motorola is only the latest in a now obscenely long list of top Novorussian leaders (Pavel Dremov, Alexei Mozgovoi, Evgeny Ishchenko, etc.) who were murdered in very strange circumstances.
Second, the Ukie security services are, to put it very mildly, not exactly known for their amazing capabilities. In the Ukraine they are more known for their corruption, the way the viciously torture their prisoners and for snatching off the street clueless bystanders only to present them as, what else, secret FSB agents. Frankly, I find the notion that the Ukies kill all these top Novorussian leaders absolutely ridiculous.
Third, you tell me: how do you enter a heavily protected building, get into the elevator shaft, then leave, then monitor the arrival of Motorola before setting off a bomb and then get away? This very much reminds me of the murder by the Israelis of Imad Mughniyeh who was killed in Damascus by an Israeli bomb place in the headrest of his car: how did the Israelis get access to his car (in a very heavily protected government area of Damascus) without the numerous Syrian security services noticing? Impossible, of course. But only the widow of Mughniyeh, now living in Iran, had the courage to state the obvious: the Israelis had top level accomplices in Syrian security services.
Means, motive and opportunity
Let’s use “means, motive and opportunity” format and ask – who had the means.
The Ukies: Forgive me, but I don’t believe that the Ukronazis had the means.
The Russikies: Forgive me again, but I find it undeniable that the Kremlin did have the means
The CIA-SAD/SOCOM/USAISA/MI6/SAS/SBS/Mossad/IDF/etc.etc.etc.: doubt it very much. They would need to have not only a specially trained commando team, which they all have, but one which would be inconspicuous in the DNR, and that I find very very hard to believe.
Private contractors: maybe. I could see some agency or country sub-contracting the murder of a Novorussian leader to some private mercenary outfit as the latter would have native Russians speakers with the correct skillset.
However, I submit that this is the wrong way to looking at this issue. The real question is not who had the means to execute such an operation, but why would anybody at all have had the opportunity to do so?!
It does not require to be a genius figure out that Motorola was a prime target. And yet, neither the Novorussians not the Russians could protect him?! This is prima facie ridiculous. Okay, maybe the Novorussians security services are a mess (judging by the number of Novorussian leaders kill, I get the feeling that this are!), but what about the Russians?! They could organized an immense Olympic event in the face of a direct and overt Saudi treat to have it marred by terrorist attacks and not have a single incident, even minor, happen, but they cannot protect the top 10-20 Novorussian leaders?!
As far as I know, not a single Novorussian security service leader was fired or demoted following all the murders of the Novorussians leaders. Why not?
This is how I see it: either the Russians let the Novorussians protect themselves and that was a huge mistake on the part of the Russians, or the Russians are in charge and they are themselves either incompetent (or worse).
Here we have to at least look at
The “Putin did it” theory
Yes, he sure had the means. And opportunity. The Russians are covertly running Novorussia and whatever manner they see fit, and if they wanted to they could kill anybody there. But motive?!?!?!
Motorola was not at all the bone-headed stubborn pain the the butt that other Novorussians leaders have been. I would even say that he, along with “Givi”, were just about the most willing to work with Russia. We also know from the example of Strelkov that the Russians can, if they want, remove anybody they get frustrated with. Why murder Motorola? This makes no sense.
The problem with the “Putin did it” theory is that it is based on a circular argument which goes like this: “since Putin wants to sell-out Novorussia, he murders Novorussian patriots, and he murders Novorussian patriots because he wants to sell-out Novorussia”. What that argument misses is that Putin could have sold out all of Novorussia, including all the Novorussian patriots, years ago just by a short move of his pen. But to the great dismay of the Putin-hating hurray-patriots, Putin remained steadfast in his support for Novorussia (without Russian support, Novorussia would fold in a week or so). Ditto for Syria which the very same Putin-hating hurray-patriots accuse Putin of “selling out” for many years already, even when the Russians single handedly protect Syria like they are doing today.
Yes, the Russians had the means and opportunity to murder Mozgovoi and the others, just as the Russians did have the means to shoot down MH-17, and just as the Russians do have the means today to bomb Syrian hospitals. So what? The Russians also have the means to send special forces to attack any orphanage on the planet and they can nuke Machu Picchu, but that hardly means that they would have any motive to do so? What we need to ask is
Whatever happened to cui bono?
Cui bono indeed. Unless somebody presents me a fact-based argument, I submit that Putin had no reasons at all the kill anybody in Novorussia so he is off my list of suspects.
Kiev. Meh… Yeah, I guess, they kinda had a motive. If they are dumb enough to send (a rather poorly trained) unit to blow up bombs in Crimea, they are probably dumb enough to try to kill somebody in Donesk. Except for I don’t believe that they had the means or opportunity to do it. So Kiev is also off my list of suspects.
CIA-SAD/SOCOM/USAISA/MI6/SAS/SBS/Mossad/IDF/etc.etc.etc? Means? I doubt it. Opportunity? I doubt it again. Motive? Not really. Folks in the West are smart enough to realize that by killing Novorussian leaders they really achieve very little. Even if ALL the current Novorussian leaders are killed, the people of Novorussia will never accept any Ukronazi rule over them, as for the military defense plans, they are made in Moscow anyway. Killing Novorussian leaders just is a lot of effort for not much to gain.
Which, unless I missed something leaves one theory:
Novorussian infighting aka “they did it themselves”
Usually, when somebody in the LNR is murdered, Plotnitsky is suspected. Not only is he an extremely unsympathetic personality, he has that “look” of being a ruthless thug. Then there is the fact that several of the murdered leaders were openly highly critical of him. Problem: Motorola was in the DNR, not the LNR and the LNR bad boys had no reason to risk messing with their (much more powerful) DNR leaders. As for the leader of the DNR, Zakharchenko, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that he had any problems with Motorola.
How about the Novorussian mobsters (and their colleagues from Russia)?
Well, maybe. By definition maybe. But that does not explain how they got past the security and into the elevator shaft of a highly protected building.
Conclusion?
To be honest, I ain’t got anything remotely resembling a real conclusion. All I have is a sense of frustration and one Ukrainian slogan like a mantra in my mind. So let’s begin with my frustration.
I am mad at the Russian security services.
Sorry, but for all the talk about the sovereign Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, Novorusssia is in inside the Russian security services area of responsibility. At the very least, the Russian security services have done a terrible job setting down the law, their law, in Novorussia. This is a case of professional incompetence, I am sorry to say. Putin ought to ask the heads of his security services whether they can maintain law and order in Novorussia or not and immediately fire anybody who would reply in the negative. He should then appoint one person in charge of Novorussian security and subordinate the FSB/SVR/GRU assets in Novorussia to that person. Finally, the Kremlin out to explain the the local security services that they either step aside and shut up or be removed, physically if needed.
Too extreme?
I don’t think so. The Russians own Novorussia and they have to fix it now. The people involved (as actors or accomplices) to these murders ought to be found and shot. Yes, *shot*. By a military tribunal and under the laws of a time of war. And while the local elites might be outraged by such a Russian move, the local people will only be grateful
Путін прийде порядок наведе!
The above slogan says (in Ukrainian) “Putin will come and restore order”. This is the (highly illegal!) motto of those in the Ukraine who still hope that the Russians will come and restore order. As I wrote many times, the Russians ain’t coming and the Ukrainians need to restore order themselves. But for Novorussia, I see no other solution.
There are no 10’000 ways of putting it: Novorussia is a friggin mess. Not only are top leaders murdered, but all the others are constantly appointed, then removed like some kind of crazy merry go around. Zakharchenko in the DNR has done a much better job than the folks in the LNR, but that latest murder of Motorola is showing that instead of the LNR becoming more like the DNR, it is the DNR which is becoming more like the LNR.
Ideally, the Russians should send some smart and ruthless patriot, like General Shamanov, to go to Lugansk and Donesk and read the locals the riot act (Russians generals are very good at that kind of stuff) and if they offer any resistance, just toss them out of their office (Russian generals are also good at that kind of stuff).
Okay – now the real conclusion
We are about to enter fantastically dangerous times. The Kremlin simply cannot afford the kind of bullshit (forgive my French!) that has been taking place in Novorussia. Enough is enough. If the locals cannot get the job done, they the locals need to step aside. There is an absolutely real risk of Hillary and her Neocons finally taking full power in the White House, Russia and the USA might have a shooting war over Syria, the Ukronazis might attack the Donbass any day now, the Russian 5th column is as powerful as ever in the Russian government, and Russia needs to prepare for a possible WWIII. Russia simply does not have the luxury of putting up with a chaotic and lawless Novorussia run by either traitors or incompetent people. A major crackdown on the Novorussia elites is much overdue. Come on, Putin – do it! And find the bastards who murdered Motorola.
The Saker
Hi Saker. You say, “For one thing, Motorola is only the latest in a now obscenely long list of top Novorussian leaders (Pavel Dremov, Alexei Mozgovoi, Evgeny Ishchenko, etc.) who were murdered in very strange circumstances.” Please note that Mozgovoy, Dremov, Ischenko and Bednov were all murdered in the LPR. Motorola is the first high-profile hero assassination (although there have been attempts) in the DPR. This is a big difference. Many close observers see entrenched corruption in the power centers of the LPR that point possibly to Plotnitsky’s involvement in the 4 mentioned assassinations. Even the most cynical of these observers do not attribute the same level of corruption to the DPR leadership, although there certainly is some—such as kidnap and imprisonment of pro-Novorossiya journalists like Valentina Kornienko. The assassination of Motorola is therefore likely to have a different cause, and should not be lumped in to the same analysis as that of the murders of Mozgovoy, Dremov, Ischenko and Bednov.
From afar, especially with the increased presence of US and NATO “instructors” in the region, such as those occupying the helicopter just shot down near Donetsk, it seems most likely that the Western New World Order aristocracy is at work here. They are, after all, trying to create a build-up to World War by inflaming tensions everywhere. It is possible Motorola’s tragic death is a provocation, to force the DPR into an offensive that can be blamed on Putin.
As has been said here, it is war. Motorola is gone, “fallen”?
No! Murdered. Murdered. No one “falls:…
War, murder…there is a legal line between the two, but…well, they’re very close, and war- it too is a crime…but defense is lawful.
Who what how and why is of course essential and vital….but only for the real leadership to discover, know, and to make the indictment, arrests, trials… It is not a suitable or productive subject to speculate on, not for us. Doing so weakens us all. And it is emotional and thus dangerous, in war-time. Justice will follow victory, not precede it.- this is the way things work.
Very probably the war is about to get very hot…
Dealing with that while distracted and emotionally weakened and blinded by emotion – that,s the nazi goal. I do not obey nazis. Not their ploys,not their voices. There are more “appropriate” attitudes….
Listen. Look. Read. The vast job USSR did seems to have missed a few nazis…and they’ve bred…mutated, cunning animals…need more roach powder medicine fer em….
Let the facts of the murder lie quiet and then, in Peace, let justice reign.
Timing is terribly important. This is not the time for trials…
It’s a time to focus on now, and what’s just up ahead of us.
Pax
I don’t know who you are Motorola but I respect what you fought for . Why would someone murder you ,is it because you rose above the morass and did what your heart said ,was it because the children of the Land mean so much to you ,the fields ,the gardens and pretty girls with flowers in their hair . Was it that heroes exist only in other countries and the Donbass does not count for much ,was it that the ugly face of imperialism raised its unjust head against you ,was it that the good guys only come from the West and this greed must continue. Where ever you are I would consider it a privilege to meet you ,in the Celestial Domain.
If you wish to know a man’s character, give him power, and then he will show everyone who he really is. Lincoln said this truth.
Well, Motorola had some power, quite rapidly he must have realized this, and then everyone saw his heroic character, this is fortune. The individual murder, and the general whole-sale slaughter and evil that is war, are crimes – as was said quite clearly at Nuremberg…war is the ultimate crime. It is a crime to plan a war, except in defense. A crime to do a war, except in defense.
Now let the good people get back to solving crime, to stopping crime, to bringing Peace, and Justice to bear against crime and murder and injustice. Bring the big fellas to heel and to the bar of justice, then, in the fullness of time, the small fry, their greed-soaked servants, shall face the tribunals…meekly. Some will escape…some will hang…and no-one will mourn the cowards and criminals. Speech (and speech takes many forms, as the Courts have said) Speak Truth to Power, and Power evaporates, naked soul-less sociopaths thus exposed will beg like Beria, they’ll kneel and cry and beg. Then they’ll go. Go away. Forever.
They shall not be permitted to hide in peace – they’ll be hunted down and, when they want to hide, as Comrade President tells the world, will be “wasted in the outhouse”.
All these things are, or seem approximately, in accord and alignment with Kremlin Policy. Announced over time, piecemeal, but said. I have read these things, they’ve been said.
gotta do things in proper order…
well, that’s what they say… perhaps we shall see…eh? The whole world is waiting to see…the world is watching, waiting, hoping, at the edge of the abyss. And there’s nowhere to run…
That’s the condition, backs to the water, unable to run, fight or die, that astute strategists desire to create when an army absolutely must not retreat. In situations like this it is, as they used to say in the American South, (Texas might like this) :
I saw Texas go in with a smile,
But I tell you what it is, she made the Yankees bile;
Oh! it don’t make a nif-a-stifference to neither you nor I,
Texas is the devil, boys; root, hog, or die.
The meaning? You as either an individual or you all collectively must stand and do for yourself and your people. You are responsible, like it or not.
The Republics are backs to the river, so are the Syrians, so are the Iranians, so are the Russians, so are all the people, everywhere. So are the American peoples. And so too are the so-called “elites”:..they’re terrified of the people, and they show it. This may account for their very numerous and material errors, that panicked judgement and amateurish bungling is the hallmark of their astonishing incompetence. Rather as some people in 1941, who insisted on Moscow, or, later, Stalingrad, bungled their affairs.
Retreat, compromise, diplomacy, these are not viable options, mere tactics.
Root, Hog, or Die…
Wonder how that would go in idiomatic Ruskie…. hummm. Maybe a song… There’s a citation on the phrase on wiki, if anyone would like to read it…
I would like to know about the way a Russian would say this meaning, Root, Hog, or Die…
Bless us all. I pray the so-called “elites” make a “Thomas Merton turn” – now that’d be a real miracle.
When all parties to a conflict see themselves as backs to the sea, there can only be one kind of result. It is hog root or die.
I wonder why on Earth you always cite Lincoln as if he would be the Word of God incarnated.
The evil to fight here is Fascism, and this crap making life on Earth the hell since ages has the roots in the very foundations of your country.
What Lincoln did to erradicate fascism when it was being planted under its very noses? Of course, nothing, because he belonged to the supremacy.
Fair question. It’s a quotation so it would insult the reader to not attribute it to the person who said it. This is mere honesty, dear Lady, Honesty and politeness, just as is this post a polite reply to your questions.
However, I am concerned that you may be mistaken, as I am absolutely sure that I do not always quote Lincoln. Perhaps you have been confused, so I simply wanted to set the record straight and settle your mind about it.
Lincoln of course is an interesting man. The people who know these things tell us that the assassination conspiracy that murdered him prevented his impeachment, for which he was at the time of his death preparing to defend. Under his rule the Laws were ignored and he was in many districts seen as a despot, fool, and worse. That he is now anointed with a veil of lies tells much about why wars are fought and how minds are influenced in one class by another. He did many things according to, he tells us, what he saw as his primary constitutional duty – and by implication he did not personally wish to do many of these things. I think that is probably a reasonable approximation of the actual truth which, alas, we shall never know.
You ask: “What Lincoln did to erradicate [sic] fascism when it was being planted under its very noses? Of course, nothing, because he belonged to the supremacy.”
Here too there may be some error – In the historic period 1860 – 1865 fascism in some nascent sense obviously grew in America by means of the vast sutler fortunes created by means of the war. The result was a moral decline and beginning of the end of the republic. Yes, I agree that Lincoln did nothing to stop this. He may not have wished to get the result, but his actions trace right to the nazis in the 1930’s and the affairs in Donbass and Syria and elsewhere, and even to the foul murder at the top of this – I agree. Most historians are afraid to say things like this, but many think them.
I think that it might be well-argued that fascism has deeper roots than those American ones, it traces, plausibly, the the periodic plagues in Europe, whereby a few generations found themselves wealthy by inheritance – that disequilibrium in social contract destabilized the technical stability – the brief generational concentrations of wealth resulted in, by degrees, steel-mills and steamships and railroads, poverty and wealth never before known – fascism is a natural outcome of this cunning, and an evil built on evil. But there is a line here too – in Lincoln’s time the thing called fascism did not yet exist. Therefore, I am sorry to say, he could not have done anything against it. I believe that the fascism of which we speak is regarded as not existing prior to 1915.
It is an axiomatic and canon principle in logic that who says a thing has nothing whatsoever to do with the truth or falsity of his statement. This, of course, applies equally to all, saint, sinner, rogue, or hero. Logic believes in proofs, not personality. I bet Hitler said things you have said – where’s the john? perhaps – if the devil himself said it was noon-time, well, I would check, twice! But if it was noon-time, well, we could quote him fairly. Same standard in logic – and, alas, it is only by logic that fascism may be brought to heel. And logic seems very strongly to suggest that the business to do with divisive matters ought to be set aside – it no time for emotion, not now.
Pax
Let us not argue
Clearly, I took you for another commenter who always talks of “Fundational Fathers” and all that stuff white supremacist in the US also use to do.
And, well, I am not historian as you look like, but because then the term “fascism” were not yet invented this does not imply that “white supremacism” was not what time before would be called “fascism”,
This is where my theory lays about your country being birth with this “original sin” which, for the results, despite playing you always so religious, have never amended.
Apologies for the confussion, with gentlemen like you will never be an argument, but an illuminating discussion. You explain your points clearly, argue well and politely, never the case of who I confussed you with.
Regretably we are not here all for the same goal, say, pax, as you sign, and the well being of the majority of human beings in the world.
I pose the question to Saker, why would it be so far fetched to believe that the US was not behind the murder of Motorola and others? A lot of what Texas suggests seems to make sense.
You seem to underestimate the intelligence apparatus of the US and CIA… which are basically in control of the country that is the Ukraine, even if the murders happen to be in the Donbass region.
The only way to cleanse the Donbass of these despicable acts of terror would be for the Ukraine to be cleansed of the scum that hold power.
Peace to all.
Not to mention that even not being one of the best intelligence services or the worst does not imply that you can not hire a “private one”, i.e.the best.
Since several days reading on La Rouche movement, I learned that after being infiltrated by the secret services by consideration of a former OSS counterintelligence veteran was described as “the best private intelligence service” in the world and so US elites contacted, recruited, made and surely are making use of them.
The “movement” has an important branch in Germany amongst several countries included some LatinAmerican nations.
Cui Bono.. Tex (Bentley) made the case, but didn’t further it. For Motorola, I believe that it was time to ‘retire’. It was nice that he married , but that wasn’t his life. Anyway there is that video of the Right Sector chaps that got knocked off and his admission. Mozgovoy had the same problem as by admission. Good enough for any western court. The Russians sending a general??? LoL This as an addition as a precursor to all out combat, sure, but something is up and the time is not right.
@The suggestion that this was a Mossad operation to me seems a bit of a stretch based on the Khazaria program
I wonder whether some would see the irony in the way that ‘Ukrainians’ perceived themselves when they started to dream of independence:
“The Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk or Pacts and Constitutions of Rights and Freedoms of the Zaporizhian Host (Ukrainian: Конституція Пилипа Орлика (Konstytutsiya Pylypa Orlyka); Пакти і Конституції прав і вольностей Війська Запорозького (Pakty i Konstytutsii Prav i Volnostei Viyska Zaporozkoho), Latin: Pacta et Constitutiones Legum Libertatumque Exercitus Zaporoviensis), or the Bendery Constitution, was a 1710 constitutional document written by Hetman Pylyp Orlyk, a Cossack of Ukraine”, in which are exposed the reasons for the exalted self-perception of the Ukrainians. Nowadays, “the Orlyk Constitution acquired the status of a monument of Ukrainian philosophical and legal thought, but its grandeur remains little known and inadequately appreciated by the public, even by those who regard themselves as members of the ‘Ukrainian elite.’ Meanwhile, it is high time to treat Orlyk’s Constitution not as a monument of strictly Ukrainian political and legal thought but as a legal document that the Ukrainian cultural elite presented to the civilized world.”(A constitution ahead of its time, Pylyp Orlyk’s legislative act of 1710, by Viktor Shyshkin
25 September, 2007 @https://day.kyiv.ua/en/article/culture/constitution-ahead-its-time).
Just a few excerpts:
“God, who is wondrous and unfathomable in his judgments, merciful in forbearance, just in punishment, has ever since the beginning of this visible> world elevated some kingdoms and peoples according to his most equitable judgment and humiliated others because of their offences and iniquities, reduced some to slavery and liberated others, exalted some and cast down others. In the same way, the valiant and ancient COSSACK PEOPLE, FORMERLY CALLED KHAZAR was at first exalted by immortal glory, spacious territory, and heroic exploits which inspired fear both at sea and on land not only among neighbouring peoples but even in the Eastern Empire, so much so that the Eastern emperor, wishing to make lasting peace with it, joined his son in matrimony to the daughter of the KHAGAN, THAT IS TO SAY THE COSSACK PRINCE….
Whereas the people formerly known as the KHAZARS AND LATER CALLED COSSACKS trace their genealogical origin to the powerful and invincible Goths, and, moreover, whereas the laws of friendly neighbourhood connect and join together that Cossack people by the deepest ties of affectionate affinity to the Crimean state, with which the Zaporozhian Host many a time entered into military alliances, and from which it obtained assistance for the protection of its fatherland and its liberties; His Grace the Hetman shall endeavour, as far as is possible at present, to renew through his envoys to His Most Serene Highness the Khan the old brotherhood and military alliance with the Crimean state and to confirm perpetual friendship, so that the neighbouring countries, taking note of it, will not dare to strive to subjugate Ukraine or inflict any harm on it. And after the end of the war, when, with God’s help and blessing, the peace prevails which we desire and which will be favourable to us and the newly elected Hetman establishes himself in his residence, he shall exert all his strength and discerning diligence, and be obliged by the duty of his office, to ensure that the alliance and fraternity with the Crimean state will not be in the least damaged or violated by unrestrained and frivolous people on our side, who, being accustomed to wrongdoing, are not ashamed to break and violate either the laws of neighbourhood and friendship or the covenants of peace.”
Whereas the Constitution proclaims the eternal friendship with Most Serene Highness the Khan of the Crimean Tatars, it proclaims its enmity towards the “Muscovite tsardom” which oppresses and despoils the valiant Cossacks, erh.. Khazars!
Thinking that people spilled tons of ink asking where the Khazars disappeared!
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. – 9:111 (Y. Ali)
Think not of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; – 3:169 (Y. Ali)
My condolences to his family. My condolensces also to all of us left behind with one less of the finest of heroes who answered the bell and died fighting for his homeland.
Your people, your culture, your country, Saker. You SHOULD know it better than I or any other American. But, I know America and its leaders. It ain’t called the Empire of Chaos for no good reason. Obomber has honed his skills of having people assassinated all over the globe over the course of eight years. He doesn’t have to rely exclusively on drones. (Or maybe Obomber is just a front and someone in the Pentagon or Langley calls all the shots. Doesn’t change the dynamic.) There are plenty of Russian and Ukrainian expats that are in the service of the Empire, the company, the special forces, etc. I’m sure there are deep operatives in practically every country on the planet, but way more than the average in Eastern European countries like Ukraine. And, they are so indoctrinated they are willing to kill anyone in any way on nothing more than orders from their superiors. The American government likes to constantly point the finger at Putin for all the dead corpses in and around Ukraine and Russia, but I’ll bet the “Yanks” themselves are responsible for most of them. Their targets may not even have any critical role that advantages the American position by liquidation, but every murdered leader keeps the fear level high, especially among the true believers in the civilian population. Every such death erodes Putin’s mandate to protect Novorussia, IMHO. The longer that Porky flouts the Minsk Accords, the less likely they will ever be implemented, and with Hollande soon leaving office and Clinton coming in, it’s more likely that the Donbass will at some point be overrun with the help of NATO weapons, “advisors” and contractors (mercenaries). Putin will then wish he had given more attention to Ukraine than the back burner it seems to have been on for the past year or more. The American leadership still believes that “Assad must go,” which they roundly vocalize, but also that “Putin must go,” which they speak amongst themselves every day of the week. If they are willing to gain leverage over Russia by persecuting paralympic athletes, they are willing to do anything, even order hits on Ukrainian or Russian soil.
Saker lost me when he wrote that “Folks in the West are smart enough to realize that by killing Novorussian leaders they really achieve very little.” Sorry pal, you give too much credit to the bumbling crowd you refer to as “folks in the West”. Smart is not an adjective a realist would use to describe the Western operatives. I think the angle one can investigate further in this case is that of the “enemy within the rank”. It’s not easy saving people against itself. The Russia Federation could only do so much as long as Novorussia is still outside its borders. If this kind of thing were happening in Crimea, for example, then Russian ruling elites would have a serious case to answer. But in this instance, I think the Novorussian leadership, both LPR and DNR, need to reassess their goal and move against agent saboteur within their ranks.
Funeral attended by 30.000 people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJn2ofzz5Vg&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZMu4FSQgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjnNbBk33pM&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-MvhVYu5Z0&feature=youtu.be
Kent
There was a US$2,000,000 bounty on Motorola. Imho, someone from his associates decided to collect it.
Speaking as an outsider with not much knowledge of the internal working of the LPR-DPR I wonder how much corruption and criminality play into this tragic event. Ukraine, pre coup, was known for high levels of corruption, as it is most likely even more so now. No doubt this state of affairs also extended into the areas now called the LPR-DPR. Stating this, I wonder if ‘Motorola’ was stepping on someone’s toes by disturbing or threatening to disrupt the ‘operation’ of some corrupt official or criminals money producing bailiwick? I believe Motorola was recently sent to the LPR to help keep order after the failed assassination attempt there on Plotnitsky, who many have said has organized things very well for his own benefit. Did Motorola threaten this situation in some fashion? To me this has all the hallmarks of a ‘mafia’ style killing if none of the major players have much motive or the ability to carry out such an attack as the ‘thugs’ have ways of getting through a protective security ring on the individual level using carrot and stick offers that can’t be refused. It should be single men only on these types of security details with family ties well hidden.
A coherent picture cannot be based upon a false representation of the history of the Eurasiatic continent. In this sense, and since we obviously are at a point where long cycles are turning, the scope should be long. The Great Tartaria, i.e. an Eurasiatic Empire integrated over all EURASIA should be first accepted as a hypothesis in order to answer a question: is OBOR a new project, or is it a resurgence of what existed once, not so long ago, and was broken by the beast of the sea? XVIIth century maps show this geopolitical reality. In other words, should you consider it from the point of view of a future project and of the unknown, or from the point of view of atavism? Is it a creation to be or a restoration project? What were the veils thrown on our minds in order to get amnesic of our historical identity? Scaliger, Pougatchev, etc,… , Björko, ….? What link, from the point ov view of anthropology, allowed to unite so many different nations? Was it not a common and subtle meta-cultural understanding of Light present ?
It is definitely a restoration project. A Silk Road existed since the Chalcolithic Era. There is no other satisfactory explanation of the striking similitudes between the Chinese cultures of painted ceramics (Yang Shao) and the ones in Romania and Ukraine (Cucuteni-Tripolye). Archaeology made enormous progresses in the last decades and a more accurate picture of the movements of peoples in the Eurasian space has emerged.
motorola was murdered for intervening and stopping attempted coup in Lnr by who certainly not incompetent ukies just look at crimea debacle but by ones whov tskn out mozgovoy,dremov,ischenko and sinbinned other leadersto leave donbass like stelkov,gen gloomy,kotzitzyn and others
I think you’re wrong on this one Saker. And I’m not the only one. Russel “Texas” Bentley says, among many other insights in this long Fort Russ article:
So, Saker, Southfront, and Shary are saying things don’t add up with the Motorola hit. Maybe, from their perspectives thousands of kilometers from where it happened. But I’m about 500 meters from where it happened, and here’s my take – […] The suspicions of an “inside job” are not only unfounded, they are dangerous. There was no reason for anyone in DPR or RF to want Motorola dead, and every reason for the Kiev nazis to. The nazis, just like with MH-17, had motive, means and opportunity. Motorola trusted his leaders and comrades. His actions and subsequent events prove it. No serious person here thinks it was any one other than ukrop diversants who killed him this time, and tried twice before, And that includes me.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/texas-who-killed-motorola-and-why-ill.html
Russian fifth column is full of dog shit and not a strong opposition in Russia and it should not be confused.