Dear friends,
Since I am going to be very busy until Monday morning, I want to leave you with a “semi-open thread”. If you see something interesting, by all means please post it here. If not, I would like to survey your opinions on two questions:
- In the latest gas deal between the EU, the Ukraine and Russia – who won and who lost? (The junta in Kiev? Russia? The EU? Novorussia? The US? The oligarchs? Gazprom?)
- Who won and who lost in the latest Ukrainian elections? What is the most important conclusion you make from these results?
I will give you my take on this on Monday when I also hope (time permitting) to record my first podcast. I will make this first one “hyper-informal” so please feel free to post any questions (not here!! and not by email either!! but here: http://10.16.86.131/podcast-project-lets-give-it-a-first-try-okay-2/) and please feel free to make them questions as informal as you want. I see this podcast as a chat amongst good friends, not a “proper” and uptight academic exercise. Even the topics discussed do not need to be serious. If you want to discuss music, or philosophy – please do so. I will try to answer as many questions as I can, though I will only answer those inspiring me to answer in the first place (troll, idiots and provocateurs will be ignored). Anyway – you can post question until Sunday 1800 GMT/UTC.
Kind regards to all,
The Saker
The Gas Deal:
Gazprom gets some of its owed billions. It wins.
Putin gets to turn on the gas for EU so he wins. It allows him to control the flow again. If it is off as it has been, he can’t shut it. Now he has a weapon to pressure some of the EU about sanctions.
Russia was stiffed for 10 months on the 5 Billion owed for gas delivered. It wins.
Of course, Ukraine looks like it wins, but it goes deeper in debt on the loans, and it is at the mercy of Putin for gas during the winter. If they launch another offensive, the gas is a weapon Putin can use.
The EU loses. It and the IMF have to ante up the loans and more next year to pay for the deadbeat Ukraine.
The Elections
The US wins. They love for fascist regimes they control to have phony democratic events like elections.
Ukraine loses. It has more of the same, and worse joining in the Rada. The people of Ukraine are stupid enough to vote for a junta, oligarchs, murderers, deviants and criminals. They lose because the satanists will destroy whatever is left of the nation and hope.
The Democracy hucksters of America win. It is Halloween, and they dress up madness and evil as Liberty and then spread poison candy to the children.
The Gas Deal. Who won, who lost:
Russia won; got the price she had put on the table months ago: $385/cbm and guaranteed prepayment. Prepayment, not COD. A deal would have been concluded ions ago but the Ukies kept posturing until IMF and EU picked up the tab. Yatz looks dumber than dumb. On Thursday, day of the gas deal tripartite signing, Yatz said he was willing to pay only $265/cbm as the price of oil has dropped.
Funny, today Yatz announced he will build a gas pipeline to Poland.
With what money?
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Ahead of Novorussia Elections: as expected there is intense Shelling to disrupt
Occupied vassal, Angella Merkel tells Mr. Putin, Europe won’t recognize vote in eastern Ukraine — elections in eastern Ukraine were illegitimate and would not be recognized by European leaders, a Berlin government spokesman said on Friday.
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You proclaimed independence, so freeze as we are no longer responsible for you:
Ukraine PM suggests stopping gas supplies to south-eastern regions not controlled by Kiev
Arseniy Yatsenyuk explained the step by the fact that Ukraine does not receive “hundreds of millions” of dollars for supplied gas from the regions
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Nothing new for readers of this forum.
Ukrainian interior minister admits foreign mercenaries fight in eastern UkraineSome of the foreign mercenaries fighting on government forces’ side are seeking to obtain Ukrainian citizenship.
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U.S. company says; We’ll ignore the sanctions because we need your stuff:
Orbital Sciences likely to choose Russian engine for new Antares rocket.
The decision to choose the engine for a next generation of Antares rocket family was made several weeks ago, Orbital Sciences Vice-President for Public Relations Barron Beneski says
It is Russia which is stupid to supplu engines fir rocket to angloamerican companies
I wish the MSM would put more stuff like this on the air. Maybe some are finally seeing the writing on the wall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5L8Fx-VN7g
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The Gas Deal. Who won, who lost:
Russia won; got the price she had put on the table months ago: $385/cbm and guaranteed prepayment. Prepayment, not COD. A deal would have been concluded ions ago but the Ukies kept posturing until IMF and EU picked up the tab. Yatz looks dumber than dumb. On Thursday, day of the gas deal tripartite signing, Yatz said he was willing to pay only $265/cbm as the price of oil has dropped.
Funny, today Yatz announced he will build a gas pipeline to Poland.
With what money?
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Ahead of Novorussia Elections: as expected there is intense Shelling to disrupt
Occupied vassal, Angella Merkel tells Mr. Putin, Europe won’t recognize vote in eastern Ukraine — elections in eastern Ukraine were illegitimate and would not be recognized by European leaders, a Berlin government spokesman said on Friday.
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You proclaimed independence, so freeze as we are no longer responsible for you:
Ukraine PM suggests stopping gas supplies to south-eastern regions not controlled by Kiev
Arseniy Yatsenyuk explained the step by the fact that Ukraine does not receive “hundreds of millions” of dollars for supplied gas from the regions
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Nothing new for readers of this forum.
Ukrainian interior minister admits foreign mercenaries fight in eastern UkraineSome of the foreign mercenaries fighting on government forces’ side are seeking to obtain Ukrainian citizenship.
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U.S. company says; We’ll ignore the sanctions because we need your stuff:
Orbital Sciences likely to choose Russian engine for new Antares rocket.
The decision to choose the engine for a next generation of Antares rocket family was made several weeks ago, Orbital Sciences Vice-President for Public Relations Barron Beneski says
I’m going to make it easy for you (and believe me, this makes me sad): the answer to both question is, Russia lost.
It’s going to be a very long, depressing weekend.
I’m reviewing all the blogs, news sites I visit on a daily basis frantically, hoping I will find a sign Russia is actually doing something, anything, in reaction to the war of the west against them… but there is nothing.
What I see today is the anglozionist empire (to which you can add whole-owned Japan) crushing commodity prices (not good for Russia), levitating their equity markets (strengthening their ponzi scheme) and maintaining their pressure on the ruble.
So forgive me for being pessimistic. It takes more than a strongly worded speech.
Oh and lest I forget, did you guys see that China just opened its market to Visa and Mastercard, even though they have their own credit card system?
Why the hell would a BRICS country do this?
All right, I’m out…
I’m sick of this!
Because in spite of much rhetoric China is very much dependent on the west and the amerikans. Until a majority of their own citizens can partake of the products they create the government needs the empires consumption. Wages below the equivalent of $5 per day certainly will not allow entry into the consumptive class. And just maybe, the psycho oligarchs and elites are a bit more intelligent than the alternative press and blogosphere leads readers to believe they all possess the intelligence of a “W”. Though I desire they would all go swiftly to hell, when I look around it appears they are winning on almost all fronts. The hoped for collapse of empire seems quite far off. Finally, except for those who make effort to stay truly informed and astute, does it seem the citizens of empire are becoming more astute about what id reality? A protest of 20,000 citizens is a very small minority within nations of tens of millions. Besides, rulers for the most part aren’t living in flats, eating fast food or driving in low-end, fuel efficient vehicles. Maybe with the exception of Uruguay.
Protocol on Winter Package Gas Deliveries Not Legally Binding: Russian Energy Minister … It is a declaration of intent and agreement, reached within the framework of trilateral talks. Understandably, it is more of a political document that reflects the main agreements,” Novak said.
Story, details – http://en.ria.ru/business/20141031/194894384/Protocol-on-Winter-Package-Gas-Deliveries-Not-Legally-Binding.html
1. On the gas deal: Russia wins hands down. They get everything which they wanted. Even the discounted price of $378 is pretty much what they were willing to do anyway(this is what China gets) plus its temporary. Add to that, Europe pays for Ukraine’s gas and Russia avoids a nasty gas dispute with Europe over the winter. Notice also that there was no US involvement in these talks. Thats a big plus for Russia also.
2. On the elections: Not quite sure whats going on there. The crazies fared badly, but does their influence really stem from being in the Rada or the government? So long as they remain an instrument of US/NATO and can still throw Rada deputies into trash cans, I suspect they will will much power in Kiev. Anyway it seems that the difference between the moderates and the crazies in Kiev is the same as that between the moderates and the crazies among the Syrian ‘rebels’. Which is to say, not much!
must be very very close to something beyond big when this is brazenly touted in the msm.
TEL AVIV, Israel, Oct. 30 (UPI) — A political cartoon published Thursday by Hebrew daily Haaretz incited international controversy with its depiction of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu piloting a plane labeled “Israel” toward a tower flying the American flag, intended to evoke the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/10/30/Controversial-cartoon-depicts-Netanyahu-as-911-pilot/9201414700027/
Tripartite Gas Deal is a moving sock puppet
Well, no pay, no juice. Some may go without gas this winter or fuzzy reporting.
EU: No guarantees for Russia if Ukraine fails to settle gas debt
The EU won’t provide any new funds for Ukraine to pay off its gas debt to Russia, and Moscow has no guarantees should Kiev use agreed funding elsewhere, said the EU Energy Commissioner’s spokeswoman Marlene Holzner.
“The results of the negotiations in Brussels were recorded in the following documents…a letter from the President of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso, to the President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, in which the head of the EC secured guarantees of the European Commission to Ukraine regarding financial support in case Russia doesn’t fulfill its obligations on gas prices, as well as the willingness of the EC to stimulate reverse-flow deliveries of gas to Ukraine from the EU Member States,” RIA quotes from the statement.
On Friday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk instructed the country’s finance ministry, National Bank of Ukraine and Naftogaz to start paying off the gas debt to Russia. This applies to both paying the debt for Russian gas and prepayment for new supplies, which must be provided before the end of 2014, RIA reports.
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Yea. Got That! Wtf, If Kiev deploys the funding elsewhere, No sweat. If Russia fails to honor the price EC will interfere and reverse flow.
To: Mr. Putin and Mr. Miller. Bad boys, go stand in the corner.
Mr. Putin and Mr. Miller to EC: Go pound sand. And freeze.
AM
Your questions are posed as binaries, whereas the strategy reflects behaviours of spiders.
Your questions also seem to posit fixed “events” rather than moments in process.
HAHA Russia IS LEARNING how to do information war.
http://www.newsweek.com/still-russian-minister-says-france-still-selling-them-new-warships-280875
Putting the cat among the pigeons to confuse everyone, and get them fighting among themselves.
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The gas deal? no change. Had to end like this, took Poro months to face up to it. Still not sure who and when will actually fork out the actual money, so….
winner: the Ukrainians who won’t freeze to death this year
loser: whoever hands over the money, as Ukie not likely to afford ever paying it back
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Elections: Poro lost, his approval went low enough for Yats’ party to actually get more votes. He now has to make a coalition with someone who feels he’s stronger, and they need to get a few more in, another party or some individuals, to have a parliamentary majority. Because they annihilated the communist and Regions parties months ago,simply by kicking them out (doubtful legality?), there was no real “opposition” to vote for, so the result is nowhere near the “victory” they feel it is.
Here are graphs of all the results, nearly all counted
http://en.ria.ru/infographics/20141028/194720565/Ukraines-Snap-Parliamentary-Elections.html
Interesting is the People’s Party (Yatsenuk’s bloc) got very few votes in the separatist-leaning oblasts, where Opposition Bloc (mostly former Party of regions people) did very well. This may fool Poro into thinking these areas prefer him, whereas it is just they hate/fear Yats more.
The western media is touting the idea that it is not a Nazi/fascist government, because so few of them got elected. But the criterion is not how many openly Nazi deputies are elected. It is how many gangs of Brown Shirts can maraud with impunity. And plenty of those they have, at least ever since Maidan, probably longer.
Very soon they’ll have to really disband them, really put away the worst killers among them – and that will bring them a Maidan that is armed “protesters” from the word go. Europe, NATO and US won’t rescue them. That might the good time for the good and decent Ukie Army together with Novorossiyans (like Mozgovoi is talking with some) to go to the capital and rescue the idiot undeserving Government. After a few days of Red and Pravy sector fun and games on the Maidan and surrounds, everyone will see the joint army arrival as a liberation.
Obviously, the EU lost in the gas deal, because it will pay for the gas. Even worse: The Ukraine can take the money and run.
Regarding the gas deal, I think the winners and losers might appear different between now and later.
I am thinking that although Russia has no guarantee of getting the rest of its money owed from past delivery, that at least it will get SOME money towards the back debt now, and Ukraine will at this moment have to pay for any supplies it gets in advance. The agreement is a temporary one.
I think perhaps Putin knows that things could get very ugly/difficult very soon, and Ukraine will have no money at ALL. So it’s better to get what you can now, rather than have nothing later.
I am also thinking that EVERYONE now knows that any money provided to Ukraine is like gone with the wind with no return in sight. I don’t see any entity eagerly providing financial aid to that lot of insane criminals.
Hi Saker
I think you ask two most pertinent questions of the day.
I have still to see the official turnout figures by region, but if the figures that we are reading are true and general, then it appears over 80% of residents in the South and East have boycotted these elections.
This itself blows a hole in Kiev’s claims of legitimacy in these regions. If many in these Kiev occupied regions also try and organise polls on Sunday, then something very special is happening. This would put a very special context on Russian recognition of the Sunday poll.
The Gas deal is different, the price is low but the deal is only for 6 months and conditional to $3Billion arrears being paid by year end and all supplies paid in advance.
I also see this as Gas as weapon of war, rather than a strictly commercial. With the Gas back on and transiting to Europe without problem, a) any disruption to supply cannot be blamed on Russia. b) Ukraine and the EU have the fear of something to lose, if they ratchet up the anti
They also still make plenty of money.
It may of course simply be a pantomime to avoid the blame game and the whole thing will fall apart shortly if the Sunday poll triggers the resumption of fighting in the Donbass.
Israel seeks to ignite the entire Middle East: closes the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, the third holiest site in Islam:
http://www.elespiadigital.com/index.php/noticias/historico-de-noticias/7296-israel-busca-incendiar-todo-oriente-medio-cierra-la-mezquita-de-al-aqsa-en-jerusalem-el-tercer-lugar-sagrado-del-islam
Off topic, but ready to read
Sovereign man part 1
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October 31, 2014
Santiago, Chile
John Anderson, an American tourist from San Clemente, California, was driving down a poorly-maintained highway when he saw flashing lights in his rearview mirror.
After a brief exchange with the local police officer, Anderson was shocked when the cop started searching his vehicle.
Anderson had $25,180 in US dollar cash in the car, which by the way was not a crime according to the local laws.
When the cop saw it, he told Anderson that we would take it and threatened him with arrest if he protested.
Anderson couldn’t believe it. This is the sort of stuff you always hear about in these third world countries—corrupt cops and state robbery.
Ultimately Anderson gave in; the cop let him go and did not charge him with a crime, but took every last penny in the vehicle.
And for the last two years, Anderson has been trying to unsuccessfully fight it in the country’s Kangaroo court system.
Clearly we should all avoid going to such dangerously corrupt third world countries.
Except in this case, Anderson was in the United States of America. And he is far from being the only victim of this highway robbery known as Civil Asset Forfeiture.
Since 9/11, police forces in the Land of the Free made over 62,000 seizures without charging anyone with any crime, stealing $2.5 billion in cash alone.
The cost of taking legal action against the government is so high, that only about 17% of the victims actually challenged the seizures.
And even then, only 41% of those that challenged have been able to get their money back.
This means that the government has a better than 93% success rate in outright theft.
This is worse than mafia—it’s blatant theft with impunity from the people that are sworn to protect and serve. It’s the kind of thing that is thought to only occur in heinously corrupt countries.
Here’s the good news: many people are waking up to the reality that they’re not living in a free country.
They are starting to understand what I call ‘the criminalization of existence.’
Every last detail of our lives is regulated—what we can/cannot put in our bodies, whether we can collect rainwater or unplug from the grid, how we are allowed to educate our own children, etc.
Driving this point home, a Tennessee woman was actually thrown in jail earlier this month for ignoring a city citation to trim some overgrown bushes in her yard.
Sovereign man part 2:
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This is worse than mafia—it’s blatant theft with impunity from the people that are sworn to protect and serve. It’s the kind of thing that is thought to only occur in heinously corrupt countries.
Here’s the good news: many people are waking up to the reality that they’re not living in a free country.
They are starting to understand what I call ‘the criminalization of existence.’
Every last detail of our lives is regulated—what we can/cannot put in our bodies, whether we can collect rainwater or unplug from the grid, how we are allowed to educate our own children, etc.
Driving this point home, a Tennessee woman was actually thrown in jail earlier this month for ignoring a city citation to trim some overgrown bushes in her yard.
This isn’t freedom.
The irony is that, even though many people are starting to realize this, they’re looking to the very institution that has enslaved them to solve the problem.
It is their own government that has created this system.
It is the government that passed US Code section 983 (Rules for Civil Forfeiture), allowing the police to commit highway robbery.
It is the government that continues to arrogantly, brazenly spy on every citizen despite overwhelming public outcry.
It is the government that continues to bring forth new regulation at an absolutely astounding rate.
Just today (this is 100% true), the US federal government published an eye-popping 490 pages of new rules, proposals, and regulatory notices.
(http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-10-31/pdf/FR-2014-10-31.pdf)
To give you a little taste, today’s regulations include:
• Stringent requirements for properly handling spearmint oil;
• New tolerance specifications for a-alkyl-w-hydroxypoly sulfate
• Additional powers awarded to the Department of Education to decide “whether certain postsecondary educational programs prepare students for gainful employment.”
• A decision to centrally manage the 2014 ‘total allowable catch of Pacific Cod’ in the Bering Sea.
There’s even a new rule upholding fines for unauthorized playing of digital recordings.
You can’t make this stuff up—they are regulating nearly everything.
It’s government that does this. They are the problem, not the solution.
Looking to government to solve the problem that they themselves created is completely irrational. They are incapable of righting themselves.
The solution – the power – is with the individual.
All the tools and all the resources to distance yourself from this system already exist.
On one hand, there’s always the possibility of leaving. The American Dream is still alive and well… it’s just no longer in the United States. Not to mention all the financial, business, investment, and lifestyle opportunities for the taking.
But even if you stay, there are dozens of ways to take back your freedom.
For example, why hold 100% of your savings and assets in that jurisdiction when they could easily confiscate everything?
There are so many great, safe jurisdictions in the world to bank, to invest, to own property, and to store assets. And you can set all of this up without leaving town.
The solutions are out there. It’s time to consider them before becoming a statistic.
P.S. Here’s more proof that the official inflation numbers are completely phony… yet another market that has reached an all time high.
Have a great weekend,
Simon Black
Senior Editor, SovereignMan.com
Something for the citizens of this earth to attend
part 1
2014 October 31
from G. Edward Griffin
The hour is late …
The challenge is great!
I am supposed to be the writer around here, but I am blown away by the powerful phrases written by those who have signed up to be Delegates at the First Congress of Freedom Force. For example, the words at the top of this page are from Edward Goodliffe who will be coming from Canada. Here is what he wrote:
I dropped everything the day you sent your first e-mail where you stated that you considered it to be the most important message you have ever delivered. You wanted to know if there was “anyone out there?” and the answer is a resounding YES! I booked my flight and hotel accommodations right away and am pleased to know I was the first to be on board. The hour is late, the challenge is great, let’s get moving.
It can’t be said any better than that. This is exactly the kind of dedication and commitment that is needed at all levels of Freedom Force but particularly at the leadership level. With people like Edward in our Congress and Leadership Council, our success is assured.
From Brazil, Olli Partanen writes:
I am not a US citizen, but I have great respect for the Constitutional Republic of America and those who carry on the tradition. Freedom Force International has crystallized those same principles in a modern form in The Creed of Freedom. … The US is in the front line when it comes to the fight for freedom, and it’s happening on your soil. The fight for freedom didn’t end in 1776. …
part2:
-The words “Government for the people” have become a grotesque joke. Therefore, your move for Operation Lift-Off and the First Freedom Force Congress is an important step to establish a line of defense against the expanding assault on what ultimately is humanity and what is left of it.
OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE FUTURE?
Yes, the hour is late, the challenge is great, let’s get moving! If you are not familiar with Freedom Force and its mission, what follows will not make sense so, if that is the case, please put the rest of this message on hold until you have had a chance to spend some time on the Freedom Force web site. Only then will you see what makes us optimistic about the future in spite of the gathering storm.
Go to: http://www.freedomforceinternational.org
If you are familiar with Freedom Force and are ready to stand for liberty, read on.
UPDATES … FIRST FREEDOM FORCE CONGRESS
The first step in Operation Lift-Off is the creation of the First Congress of Freedom Force International and the selection of the Leadership Council. This will happen on December 13 and 14, 2014, in Paso Robles, California, and you are invited to attend as a Delegate. Details are provided on the Enrollment page, but here are a few updates to the information previously published.
► Time is running out for the best price. There are two deadlines:
October 31 for the lowest enrollment price (today is the last day).
November 14 absolute deadline.
See Enrollment page for details.
► Time is running out for best choice of accommodations. The Paso Robles Inn is a popular resort hotel, especially during the Christmas season. The block of rooms held for us at special rates now is down to only four more traditional rooms, two spa rooms, and four suites. There are other fine hotels in the area, and our Event Coordinator, Annaliza Spiga, will help you find alternate accommodations, if necessary but, if you want to be at the Paso Robles Inn, time is of the essence.
To learn more about Operation Lift-Off and
the First Freedom Force Congress, click here.
If you are familiar with this background
and want to go directly to enrollment, click here.
May the Force of Freedom be with you.
G. Edward Griffin
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For each reflect and draw your own conclusions, I leave the chapter of the series “The Arrival”, dedicated to the “Temple of Solomon”, in line with the news that I left in the previous link.
Some will find it conspiranoic, others certainly fantastic, others may consider that there is some truth …… everyone who uses their free will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73WNkaxU81g&feature=relmfu
1. In the latest gas deal between the EU, the Ukraine and Russia – who won and who lost? (The junta in Kiev? Russia? The EU? Novorussia? The US? The oligarchs? Gazprom?)
The former Warsaw Pact nations, who are the most gas dependent in the EU and struggling to make the best of a bad bargain when they exchanged it for membership in the War Whore Pact.
2. Who won and who lost in the latest Ukrainian elections? What is the most important conclusion you make from these results?
North Atlantic Plutocrats (spelled CIA) = 1
Ukrainian People = 0
Without question, the people of the Ukraine are the most screwed they have ever been.
Without the gas deal the EU would never support the Empire’s desire to resume the war, a win for the Empire. Kiev is the biggest winner though. They get free gas.
It’s a Bandera Rada. The Empire wins.
While you’re putting on your costume and getting ready for trick-or-treaters, imagine creatures spookier than any you will see tonight… new devices and technologies that are tracking your every move!
A world without privacy? It’s closer than you think.
Click above to watch video!
https://www.aclu.org/secure/data-snatchers?emsrc=Nat_Appeal_AutologinEnabled&emissue=privacy&technology&emtype=petition&ms=eml_141023_privacy&technology&__af=FuJVRw1mA5WHMrocxETtyYoePQqU7mWJR3YmtUjSX347nvUiSdVk1EZ7KATnIE5EXb%2BHiQGCBVRpfNfALjS03fDMjk7YtOV7EEoUcWKvS6OXDp4wrTITCSrDNaYLYD%2FJuILd7fs%2BfG3RzvMLznDY%2ByEDBfscpg75SVh7nlIAChjLCVEpAEJtteiSObpm7NoA89uZBpfbY%2FtNNHBfg20hYA%3D%3D&__spstate=full
New technologies make it easier for private corporations and the government to access vast amounts of data about us. And the Internet of computers and phones is turning into the “Internet of Things.” Unless we take action, it can grow into a web of horrors.
Watch and share our video today!
Let’s make a statement this Halloween. Join us in working towards a world where our private data is ours alone.
Thank you for taking action,
Anthony Romero for the ACLU Action team
Something to watch
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=from+freedom+to+fascism
[from Blue]
Not on this topic, but story at
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/10/31/former-cia-analyst-ray-mcgovern-arrested-while-trying-to-attend-david-petraeus-event-in-new-york/
just in case anyone thinks that Kiev might run short of stupid Nazis and need to import some — NY police department has an abundance of them.
Here’s hoping McGovern sues and gets a 50 million bucks from them.
_Blue
Well there won’t be much European support to help get rid of the nazi Sectors if they turn on Kiev.
http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/10/31/heroizing-upa-polish-government-against-its-own-people.html
The idiot short-sighted Poles.
Human remains found MH-17 site OCT31:
HE HAGUE , Netherlands, Oct. 31 (UPI) — Additional human remains from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which crashed over Ukraine in July, were recovered Friday, the Dutch mission in Ukraine said Friday.
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte made the announcement in The Hague, adding, “The team recovered human remains from the so-called burn site” where the plane struck the ground after allegedly being shot down.
The recovery team took advantage of a lull in the fighting between the Ukrainian army and pro-Russian separatists to visit the site with officials from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. It was the first time in weeks the recovery team could safely travel there.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/latest?l_p=1414787129&id=7171414785542&spt=rlnl&or=2
On the Ukraine election
Today is this post by John Lloyd of Reuters writing from Jupiter:
Ukraine’s vote prove Putin wrong and puts anti-Semitic past behind
“One of the themes that Russian President Vladimir Putin tried out to besmirch the Ukrainian revolt against pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovich earlier this year was that fascists and anti-Semites were behind the uprising. The protesters, he proclaimed, were revolting in both senses of the word: They had chased out an elected president (true) and their actions had allowed “anti-Semitic forces [to go] on a rampage” (not true).
We now have facts on the ground that Putin’s conspiracy theory is vicious nonsense. More than 40 percent of the vote in this past weekend’s parliamentary elections in Ukraine went to two liberal, pro- European parties, one headed by President Petro Poroshenko, the other by Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. A third party, the Lviv-based Samopomich (Self-Help) Party, also strongly pro-European, polled more than 10 percent.”
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John Lloyd overlooks facts on the ground reported in Germany, IBTimes, TheHill and NBCnews
German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers
NBCnews:
[German] public broadcaster ZDF showed video of Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi symbols on their helmets in its evening newscast. In a report on the fragile cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, Moscow correspondent Bernhard Lichte used pictures of a soldier wearing a combat helmet with the “SS runes” of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps. A second soldier was seen with a swastika on his gear.
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1. The Gas deal: who won?
– Russia, Gasprom got all they were asking for
– the Junta in Kiew: to tell the Europeans: pay us our gas bill, otherwise we will be forced to steal from you — and get away with it! — Big Win.
Who lost:
– all Gas consumers in Europe
– The belief in humanity
2. The Ukrainian elections:
a) how did they even manage to compile voter lists, with so many people nobody knows whether they are refugees or inernally displaced persons, even whether they are alive or dead…
b) what measures were taken to safeguard against multiple casting of ballots, like the so-called “carroussel”, an old Ukrainian tradition since independence; aggravated by aforementioned facts, plus tens of thousands of troops stationed far away from home.
c) The discrepancy between exit-polls and counted votes were enough to spark the “orange revolution” in 2004, and seen as a proof that Ianukovitch’s election victory was rigged. And this time?
One winner here is the empire, as it will not cease to stress that we cannot call the Kiev Junta a Junta anymore, because they have “won” “democratic” “elections”.
One loser is the OSCE. What is so democratic about throwing opposition candidats into garbage containers?
“Winners” and “Losers” in the gas deal
Although some German media say the opposite, I think that the Russians are among the winners of the gas deal, because they have pushed through their demands. They will receive 3.1 billion $ for the old bills and advance payments for future deliveries. The agreed price is close to the Russian proposals. Thus, a considerable portion of the open claims by Gazprom is balanced, which were probably already written off. The Court of arbitration in Stockholm will decide the rest.
In addition, the Ukrainian residents who must not freeze in the winter, and the citizens of the heavily gas-dependent states, who no longer have to worry about the possible theft by the Ukraine, have won.
On the one hand, the junta has lost because they could not push through their exaggerated low prices and they have to pay in advance. On the other hand they gain some stability by safe supply with gas in their part of the country. The Ukraine is bankrupt, so she can’t even pay their bills. For Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko and co it doesn’t matter if they can’t pay their debts to Gazprom or failed to service the loans by the IMF and EU. The worse living conditions of ordinary Ukrainians under the IMF rules don’t care about these people. They do what they want because the EU provides funds, without asking for any return of Ukraine, e.g. with regard to end of the ATO, negotiations or of the ceasefire.
The biggest losers are the European taxpayers who ultimately have to pay for everything. Still, the media try to convince the naive people that the EU will have no costs for the deal. Who has dealt with this topic since the spring, knows for a long time that finally we will pay the Ukrainian gas. Because the deal is valid only until March, the dispute then will start again.
If I remember correctly, Yatsenyuk has already said during his first visit to Brussels that the Ukraine now expects to be supplied by the EU with cheap gas. At that time Barroso and Van Rompuy were standing next to him and were proud grinning, to have snatched this bankrupt country away from the Russians. The payday is now, and there many will still follow.
Gas deal:
The winner is: Kiew
The looser is: german taxpayer
HAHAHA Europe blinked. Sort of. They’ve openly declared they’d like to be able to end the sanctions. Bad luck, Russia seems to be doing very well with them running.
Anyway as usual it is tied to “results” on the ceasefire, but perhaps they might be willing to take a closer look at who’s to blame for lack of results. This article cutely says the ceasefire “..has reportedly occasionally been violated…”
Occasionally must mean they stop to reload?
http://en.tass.ru/world/757763
open thread: Poroshenko got 1/3 of 1/3 of the vote in an election which eliminated any people who had served in the previous elected government plus outlawed the Communist Party( which received 8 to 10% of votes usually) and the Party of Regions ( maybe 30% of votes). So nothing from nothing leaves nothing. No one “won”–the Ukrainian people lost.
As for the IMF backed gas money loan to keep the Ukrainian people from freezing to death this winter. EU wins–doesn’t have to do a humanitarian aid intervention, Russia wins ( doesn’t maybe have the Ukraine stealing their gas) and again the loser–the Ukrainian people who will thaw out long enough to have to pay through the nose for IMF imposed austerity measures come Spring and summer.
Haven’t read much on the deal, but it seems that it is still not final, just a protocol agreement. EU officials today coming out and saying that there are no legal guarantees from the part of the EU in case that the Ukies fail to find the money for the gas payments.
Pavel Gubarev writes
I’m well! My health has almost normalized. I have slight headaches as a result of the trauma, but I was told that they will disappear in 10 days))
http://novorossia.today/novorossia-news/pavel-gubarev-writes.html
I hope other people are getting a word in, nobody is moderating so we don’t know what’s happening….
ok here is a long detailed story about how the Sectors intend to do a coup if they’re not happy with the news government
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-soldiers-government-were-coming-next-155843129.html
That is when the quiet alliance of commanders can save the day.
Surprisingly, the usual Yahoo trolls seem to be missing, and there are many good comments, including many pro-rebel ones. Yahoo commenters tend to be young,under 35,so there’s some hope for that generation waking up to whats really going on.
Foreign Minister Lavrov has mentioned 400 bodies found in mass graves.
“382 girls aged 18 to 25 years as on October 14 of this year are missing. 286 tel shot in the head, in the head found in plantations in the forests under the Krasnoarmeysk with rape is the battalion Dnepr-1″, Krasnoarmeysk,” said Zakharchenko.
Here’s the article, yandex translated, from the DNR.
400 in Mass Grave
All the dead are female, young, raped and executed by oligarch Kolomoiski’s battalion. He personally pays for these war crimes, crimes against humanity.
Bodies of 286 Women Discovered, 400 Listed Missing in East Ukraine: Donetsk Official
The bodies of 286 women around Krasnoarmeisk who had been raped have been discovered,” Zakharchenko said
http://en.ria.ru/world/20141031/194885628/Bodies-of-286-Women-Discovered-400-Listed-Missing-in-East.html
“Yarosh and Parasyuk mandates were bought by oligarch Kolomoisky, who will manage the Nazi puppets in the parliament. That they will play the role of ‘inter-parliamentary police’ – is a fact. Seems to be a thing of the past, when the deputies were paid for voting. Now Yarosh will force the MPs to do it for free, just for the promise to spare their lives.”
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2014/10/right-sector-wants-to-form-faction-in.html#more
Anybody know what has happened to The Resistance site, no new news since Oct 25???
Writing is infinitely more precise than talking.
Reading is more reliable and transmissible and (especially) more quotable than listening.
So I don’t understand the use of podcasts at all. Webster Tarpley uses them. A horrible mistake.
NAF IS ROLLING north and south, with some lovely new equipment, looks like at least 6 trucks with huge rocket launchers on the back, covered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgD5BNrbnHY
Often good data here
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine
check out the details in the post below the one where Motorola’s team gets bravery medals.
They started early elections, mobile units going to the villages, nothing set up to be attacked this way. Good turnout tho people without power haven’t seen TV for a while to know what’s going on.
Hi Saker !
Well, I don’t know too much about the recent gas deal…have you covered it ?
I also heard from a friend that Ukraine is again at war, no holds barred…don’t know how true that is, but if it is true, then Poroshenko is at fault, after the election…so Ukraine loses by his victory.
Testing, testing!
I guess nobody knows anything. Pity.
Elections in Ukraine provisionally closed one chapter of its history, which began at Maidan protests after President Yanukovych’s refusal to sign an Association Agreement European Union at the Vilnius summit.
It should be openly acknowledged that Ukraine in the last 22 years, regardless of whether there ruled Kravchuk, Kuchma, or the tandem of the Orange Revolution, Yushchenko and Tymoshenko (later to become tough rivals) whether Yanukovych was very unappealing oligarchic society in which governmental elites regardless of the rhetoric – pro-Russian or pro-European – they are only interested in one thing – as soon as possible get rich. Gradually, as created by power very efficiently functioning system which not only meet the current reigning politicians, and of course the oligarchs, who sent them to the politics. “Blast” on the Maidan sparked the withdrawal the signature of the Association Agreement, rather than the naive notion that Ukraine’s political and economic system is due to be distant vision accession process Europeanized and civilized. As we know, the event finally got a completely different direction.
The initiative was taken over by extremists and radicals who already divided Ukrain make even more radicalized. Sunday’s elections were therefore again show what the real relationship of political forces and whether and to what extent the hopes of protesters can be filled. If you look at the election results, unfortunately we have to say that the chances are very small. So especially if the elections were to be groundbreaking, barely 50% participation suggests that most voters do not trust anyone anymore. Low participation was mainly in the eastern regions, which have been a bastion of anti-oligarchic forces and the extremely low turnout in these regions even further distorted the election results. Ultimately, however, they further alienated the eastern-UA population from Kyiv and oligarchs.
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It should be noted that the opposition bloc won just over 9% of the vote, which is barely a quarter of its potential voters. This means that the opposition is much weaker than it could be, and ultimately will only weaken the legitimacy of the new Ukrainian government.
Another symptom election is looming rivalry between the president and prime minister. Extreme ambition of both actors is sign of their early political conflict. At the time of the closing of this comment is president Poroshenko different idea of the ruling coalition over Prime Minister. For both it is already clear different political style, as well as efforts to address the conflict in the breakaway regions. Almost certainly the way we will see a kind of deja vu, what we experienced after the collapse of tandem leaders of the Orange Revolution, when initially inseparable couple Jushchenko – Tymoshenko fought each-other so that Yats was
finally dearer to his opponents of the presidential race Yanukovych to Tymoshenko;
the prime minister was replaced.
One of the few positive aspects of these elections is a general tendency to reject the old, discredited politicians and fall of extremist parties. Although it succeeded only partially. It is very gratifying that partisan candidate of the True sector fell as much as Tyahnybok’s ultranationalist Freedom. Unfortunately, due to the mixed electoral system in single-seat constituencies in a single-round election to parliament managed to get several field commanders with a highly problematic recent past. In this way, the parliament despite the fiasco of his own party got perhaps strange appearance Ukrainian Revolution leader of the Right sector Dmytro Yaros. Leaving a mixed electoral system still has one very annoying consequence. In addition, the parliament will be very fragmented, full of independent MPs, oligarchs retained the rights over such “pocket” Members who were elected only because of their money or their owned media, disproportionate and very corrupting influence on Ukrainian politics. The only positive aspect of the elections so party’s success Lviv Mayor Andrija the Park Self-help, which arose as a protest party against an established practice of Ukrainian politics. Similarly, we can evaluate the positive outcome of the Fotherland Party of ex-PM Tymoshenko. The result barely 5.7% makes it the smallest parliamentary leader of a political party and she is is out. If someone was waiting for the Ukrainian elections stabilize the situation and making hard but necessary solutions whether in the economic or political sphere, it must be disappointed. Almost no one does this composition chance of survival throughout the election period. Most analysts agree that the chance for the duration of this Parliament is the only one to two years. So let see surprises
As we are probably only been given privy to details allowed for public consumption the winners are those who would trade with one another in fairness. This means with fair weights and measures and all parties freely bargaining in good faith without coercion and ready to honour contracts signed. The winners are Russia, Europe and Kyiv. The loser will be the western elite, usually defined as American national interests with NATO as their attack dog. This fight is a long way from over and renewed war may scuttle any trade deal, so look for Langley to be pushing for war or a CIA backed Nazi coup in Kyiv. Once NATO troops are put into Ukraine it will be next to impossible for Russia to maintain it’s goals of trade with Europe.
Gas deal. Look at it as winner or loser then it is wake up call for the last of the mohikans in Europe and is exposing reality.
1, Nobody get anything from western banksters. They come to take what they can under laissez-faire rule= structural adjustment is main source of poverty.
2,UA oligarchs tought that they are equal between powerfull. No. They can just sweep crumbs under table after big boys’s feast.
3, Ukrainians are back on feet, turned from head,as they were back in the last year when Yanukovich refused sign suicidal agreement with EU. Just they lost a lot
4, Russians knows what westerners think about them= garbage. So they wiped all illusions of the last 22 years
5. West lost Russia forever
Ukraine news
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-soldiers-government-were-coming-next-155843129.html
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/31/2014 – 19:35
Amid record unemployment, even recorder youth unemployment, and politicians willingly breaking EU treaties (with apparently no consequences), it appears – just as in the US – police brutality in France was the straw that broke ‘Le Camel’s back. As RT reports, another anti-police brutality protest turned violent in the French city of Rennes, with masked youths and police engaging in running street battles. The unrest follows the death of a young environmental activist earlier this week. Overnight Thursday, protesters in the northwestern city lobbed flairs at police and flipped over cars, some of which they set ablaze. Police responded by firing tear gas. We hear guillotines are still cheap on ebay.
Monsters in Kiev bully a young boy refugee from the Eastern “ATO”. Fucking creeps.
https://t.co/R3alC3LipT
The people of the Donbass have lost. That is the only question. It is clear that they did not and can not win A pawn of the international chess game complete with mass graves diplomatically put forth. Ladies, Gentlemen, pleased with unbiased eye look and see that we honor all commercial agreements and will not sanction since this crime is against humanity and not Gazprom.
I denounce mass murder.
Alfredo, 17:32
Watched the video. Someone finally making some sense on the MSM.
Being allowed to state the obvious: Russia has been consistent and has made reasonable proposals, on a consistent basis.
Now we need someone to come on CNN and talk turkey re MH17 and sanctions. Then, about the repulsive Putin and Russia bashing that followed on and reinforced the sanction bamboozle.
NAF morale seems to be high. A nice photograph of Motorola’s unit together.
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/photos/a.1462094710680543.1073741828.1452285018328179/1566746766882003/?type=1&theater
To Larchment:
Regarding all the girls bodies found…
Where were these girls from ? From SE Ukraine, or Ukraine in general ?
So many girls…how awful.
What is the world going to do, to make up for these crimes ? These girls were probably tortured, as well as raped.
How is mankind going to make up for these crimes ?
Bad weather and earthquakes ?
The Gas Deal:-
Apparently Gazprom and Russia wins a round of battle, having ensured some revenue realization.
However, I have serious doubts, if EU will pay anymore, after December’14 !
The Election:-
AngloZionist Plutocracy based on USA & UK wins. Nazi gangs + Oligarchy groups of Ukraine have an apparent win, only to be used by AZ for future clashes with NRF.
However, in my view, there seems to be a very shrewd calculation on part of Russian Eurasianists to allow the above tactical step-backs, if we call it that way. Probably they are aiming at “Yugoslavia” scenario as a second preference to bring greater Novorossiya within EEU because of a failure for their first preference to bring Ukraine within EEU.
Who knows what types of tectonic shift will happen in the geopolitical and geoeconomics sphere in next two years in core Eurasia with crystal clear indications on China-Mongolia-Kazakhstan-Russia forming a very strong alliance based on sound understanding at the level of government and citizens. From a historical perspective, I can mention that, the core Eurasia is now exhibiting an unity, a sense of independent mindedness, and economics-driven state agenda backed by very strong military preparedness, which has only one precedence in history – 750 years back when Mongol confederacy was being constructed at a fast pace … Without the violence that Mongol Generals resorted to, if core Eurasia can form an alliance for sound economy and good governance free from AZ & Wahabi influence, and provide a better social and spiritual life for all citizens, entire Asia will welcome it!
(cautions- (1) AZ Plutocracy will continue to create fissures thru oil-gas price manipulations and trade restrictions, all of which should go to dustbin;
(2) Eurasianists should continue to woo the workable section of German Oligarchy in order to pull Germany into their economic camp;
(3) Eurasianists should seriously look into the Iran-issue and do whatever logically required to keep it in their camp)
Straight-Bat
Both of those questions are complicated and really can’t be answered yet fully.
If Russia gets any of its back money she has won “something” at least.But according to the EU they aren’t guaranteeing any payment to Russia.So we’ll have to see if any money is actually paid.If so then Russia won.
And with the elections.Until I see the figures per Oblast (if you can believe junta figures).I can’t say for sure on that.But in general Russia lost there.Any election that can be massaged by the West to appear democratic when not,is a blow to Russia.And since Poroshenko,Yatsenyuk,Timoshenko,Lyashko,Yarosh,Beletsky,Svoboda,are all in the Rada then Ukraine also lost.I heard as expected Poroshenko is going to support the American stooge and war criminal Yatsenyuk for PM again,surprise,surprise.
Uncle Bob
Paul Craig Roberts says Russia lost. Putin should say to the EU – if you are going to support the U.S. sanctions and provocations in Poland and Ukraine, we don’t sell gas to NATO countries. He is still too weak.
Pedro de Hungria
Yahoo comments are full of enraged Americans and Europeans upset at having to suffer more austerity to pay the Ukie gas bill. It is a shame and a sin they weren’t as upset at thousands of Novorossiyan citizens murdered by Ukie shelling and terrorist acts. Today, RAI reported that the bodies of 268 women were found in Krasnoahmeisk while almost 400 women are missing. The Ukie Death Squad ‘Dnepr-1’ (Kolomoiski’s) had previously occupied the area. About this, total silence in the west. It seems the Ukie’s and the Zionists have the same exemption on Human Rights . It must just be a coincidence….like Kolomoiski’s death squads.
That Americans can so easily overlook thousands of murdered civilians while screaming about a gas bill from the very same source does not surprise me. I was ‘born in the USA’ and I lived there for 48 years. I’m not a religious person, but sometimes I think the souls of (most) Americans are dead. That was one of the reasons I went into exile in South America in 1993.
What Saker predicted months ago during a long hot summer is now coming true in a crisp fall with winter rapidly approaching. Gas will keep people warm, but will not save the collapsed Ukie economy. To resurrect the Ukraine and bring it up to EU standards could cost as much as five hundred billion (real money, not Ukie money.) The EU and the USA do not have that kind of money and any politician who tried to borrow that much for a failed state like the Ukraine would be impeached. I remember the names Saker was called last summer. I kept my mouth shut and held my breath. My heart said for Putin to ‘go for Kiev’ but my head said to wait. Putin waited. It’s now looking like he made the right decision. I sure hope so. Putin’s caution needs to be seen in the context of Russia needs to buy time to switch over to an alternative financial system and new trading partners. Getting unhooked from one and getting hooked into the other takes time.
If the first Mistrial ship in France is not delivered, the Russians get their money back plus a big bonus penalty. Since the Russians already got the technology transfer at the beginning of the contract, and can now make their own hilocopter carrior-landing ships, Dimitry Rogozin may be hoping for a cancellation. Anyway, with Europe reeling from Russian sanctions, this loss of billions and the resulting loss of confidence in the Independence of the French Arms Industry just might make Marine Le Pen the Degaulle of the 21st century in the next election. Other EU establishment politicians could also be at risk. Merkel comes to mind.
Since the West’s MSM is full of ‘Putin Doubles Down’ and is ‘taking a hard line’ stories, it’s difficult to see how ‘Putin has sold out’ – I’ll believe that when I see him in Hillary Clinton’s White House listening to Bill play the saxophone like Yeltsin did. So far Putin’s made Obama, Cameron, Hollande, and Merkel look like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice Quartet.
Meanwhile, there is talk of an oil price hike if the Iran Nuclear Talks end without agreement on November 24th. Apparently, after this date the U.S. Congress has Obama’s hands tied. That’ll teach Obama to call Bibi ‘chickenshit’. This may not end well.
And if there is a big Ukie attack….all bets are off. Could Porky and Yats really be that stupid again. Maybe. Meanwhile, threats of a military coup against Kiev from nationalist battalions have even been mentioned in the MSM. And the worse things get, the more reluctant the west gets about coming up with that half a trillion to make the Ukraine ready for the EU.
Part 2
Gas Winners – Gazprom (finally getting paid), Kiev Junta (getting gas) Russia (getting to make the EU pay for it causing not just financial problems, but political problems too. Just think how different things would be with Marine Le Pen in Paris and a German businessman type leader who wants to save the German economy which needs to go east to expand.) I doubt there is hope for Europe in the long run, but Russia must believe there is a chance to avoid to break too quickly with Europe. And the Losers – The EU and the U.S. as they get stuck with the bill, while the gas pipeline is less likely to be attacked by Ukies if the EU is dependent on the same gas….Europe is in effect paying the Ukie Nazis extortion. This hopefully will let southstream be approved at some point in the future. It’s the only way for Europe to break the Ukie extortion racket….give me free gas or I’ll make you freeze. And now Novorossiya will get gas direct from Russia, a more reliable supplier.
Election Big Winner – ‘Yats’ (I wonder who counted the votes) who may now be the power behind the throne as Porky becomes even more of a front man. Big loser – Porky Pig. Fascists – Nazis —it’s difficult to say without knowing how many of them got elected as independents. I suspect these assholes are not too popular with the people outside of the west Ukraine. Talk of a Yats and Lyashko coalition says even more about Yats than the infamous Lyashko. Is this to head off a putsch? Ukrainian people lost in this farce of an election with opposition parties banned and Nazis running the election and counting the votes. Also, low voter turnout makes election suspect.
Pedro de Hungria
note – Peter Lapso said ‘West lost Russia Forever’ – Yes, I agree. I’m surprised Henry Kissinger hasn’t had a heart attack yet. He worked all his life to keep Russia and China apart. Poor Henry.
Important about the gas deal is that it is a blessing for the common people of Ukraine. For the rest it’s no more than a business deal. Noone should care about which negotiating party wins or loses.
It looks clear to me that the Ukrainian voters chose for the EU, not the oligarchs or nazi’s which are unfortunately associated with the EU. With Russia there has been no progress at all over all those years and they hope closer ties with the EU will finally result in a more decent state. Probably not because you need to be a decent state before you can enter and benefit.
To the gas deal:
1. This is about SMALL money – few billions may look as big amount, but compare it to relevant numbers: reserves of Russia, bailout of Greece, property of Ukrainian oligarchs, total gas income of Russia.
2. The deal is only about “winter gas”. Does it mean next year Ukraine will have money? No, EU believes next year will be Russia in her knees.
3. Real payers won’t be whole EU but weak countries of East – Slovakia, Hungaria, Bulgaria which are most dependent on Russian gas.
4. Ukraine and USA may be happy they forced EU accept this nasty blackmail but it’s only in theory. Ukraine is simply too big to be feeded by EU. It really isn’t tiny Kosovo. Ukraine will pull EU down to abyss with itself instead. Ukraine needn’t only gas, also coal, nuclear fuel, food, medicaments and of course weapons and soldiers. This all will be demanded from EU soon.
What does winning and losing mean in these situations? For one thing, reasonable people can disagree on what Russia or the EU should be trying to do. Is keeping Kiev warm in the winter a good thing? Is getting the EU to pay a certain amount of money for the Ukraine’s gas even that important?
As for elections, one would imagine that the US can say they have achieved the elusive but sacred goal of democracy. But do the elections even matter?
Also, if the US goal is to create a failed state, one has to examine the possible US models to keep up the pressure. One would be to encourage a radical right-wing threat where they might blow up pipelines or bridges, and the US would give help to Kiev to fight this evil. Kind of like the fake ISIS story. A different model of a failed state might be local regions becoming more independent and fighting neighboring regions. Perhaps Odessa can fight its neighbors.
As it happens, our friend Alexander Mercouris has written a fairly extensive piece on the elections, and it’s published at Russia Insider.
I suspect no one will ever write a better article on the meaning of the elections than this one. It’s also well written and easy to read. An excellent article:
Western Media Get Ukraine Elections Wrong. There’s Big Trouble Ahead
As to the gas deal, I expect a new dramatic episode weekly or monthly all through the winter. There can be no winner but Russia since it owns the gas that people want to buy. If Ukraine steals, it will no longer come out of Russia’s account.
It seems important that the Ukrainian people survive this winter, not just for humanitarian reasons, but so that the slow awakening (that I believe is) happening in the country can continue.
Looks like Sunday for the first false flag from the Ukies. Ukraine Today reports that Russian soldiers are dressing in Ukie uniforms again. Obviously to “fake” an attack on Donbas – the spokesman doesn’t say but the story actually gives the date of November 2:
Planned provocation in Donbas?
“Spokesman Andriy Lysenko said thousands of Russian fighters have dressed themselves and their equipment in Ukrainian National Guard markings in Donetsk.”
Warning, it’s an enemy site of course. But if you go there check the comments. Some hard fighting for the truth in that thread, it made me long for the peacefulness of this one. Salute to the stalwart truth tellers fighting a hard battle against the indoctrinated Ukies.
“anonymous” 17:40,
From your Hasbara, Schlomo trolling point of view that is not a “pessimistic” comment. Only what you and your tribal mates at the Tel Aviv call centre are supposed to write and don´t be shy, if your name is Schlomo Katz or Ariel Cohen then sign on with that name…
It seems that Chetnik movement in Serbia along with their president (also a Duke of Chetniks) did not impress Putin:
“Russian Cuts to Gas Supply Worry Serbia
Amid reports that Russia was reducing gas supplies to Serbia in a dispute over debts, Serbia’s Prime Minister said the issue with Moscow would soon be resolved.”
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/russia-cuts-down-gas-delivery-to-serbia
Who lost?
Natoists
F*** Natoists, modern day Nazis.
Reading the NYT article on the gas deal I was left puzzled. It even somewhere mentioned a price of $268.50. Maybe we should have a good analysis first before we start to draw conclusions about who won.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/business/international/ukraine-and-russia-reach-deal-on-natural-gas-supplies.html
As for the elections. Failure doesn’t sell and it looks like Poroshenko is paying the price for the rather sorry end of his military adventure. However, the result has mainly been to strengthen the extremists.
I am wondering, if the heaters from Russia are so efficient why the gas fuss?
http://www.vestvolgograd.ru/index.php/sample-sites
What is the problem connecting this system instead of gas/wood/coal boiler?
http://www.vestvolgograd.ru/index.php/about-company-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAzW-obq3s
About russian Spy Game.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/142321/mark-galeotti/moscows-spy-game#cid=soc-twitter-at-snapshot-moscow_s_spy_game-000000
The agreement is very good for Ukraine and good for the EU and Russia and bad for the US, whose interest it is to keep the EU and Russia as divided as possible. The agreement could contribute to a general atmosphere of detente between the EU and Russia.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/russian-ukrainian-gas-compromise/
Kind regards,
Dutch
Blogger Wim Roffel said…
Reading the NYT article on the gas deal I was left puzzled. It even somewhere mentioned a price of $268.50.
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Very interesting, when is Russian gas in question, everybody wants transparency and everybody knows the figures.
When Ukraine buys gas from Europe, there is no transparency, when EU-NATO countries buy LNG there is no transparency. This is called “NATO democracy”.
Beside, whatever EU-NATO media write about Russia is just trolling and propaganda, it is all a part of a Psychological Warfare against Russia.
The price that The NYT mention might be a part of greater game against Russia, it might be a Psychological Warfare on Russia with the purpose that Russia decreases its price for gas.
Once Nazi, today Natoist
which uogyahyWashington tries to check Hungary’s drift into Kremlin orbit
MOL may sell stake in Croatia energy firm to Russian buyer
* U.S. officials lobbying to stop sale happening
* Washington imposed visa ban on six Hungarians
* Hungary pulled out of Western drive to give Ukraine gas
By Zoran Radosavljevic and Krizstina Than
ZAGREB/BUDAPEST, Oct 31 (Reuters) – The United States is mounting a diplomatic offensive to stop Hungary selling a stake in a Croatian energy firm to Russia, part of what Western powers see as Budapest’s dangerous drift into Moscow’s orbit.
The U.S. government has already taken the highly unusual step of blacklisting six people with ties to the government in Hungary, a NATO ally and European Union member, from entering the United States, accusing them of involvement in corruption.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/01/hungary-russia-energy-idUSL5N0SO61420141101
EU-NATO sceptic
V V Anand from Mumbai
EU seems the winner in gas deal. They have been left off the hook and can poistpone their decision on how to respond to the crisis.