The Strategic Culture Foundation, a Moscow-based geopolicy think thank, sponsored a conference in Belgrade, Serbia, on 17 April 2016 entitled “What has ‘democracy’ imported from the West brough to the Former Yugoslavia since 1990?” Among nearly twenty distinguished participants was Andrew Korybko, Sputnik talk show host and frequent commentator on world affairs on RT and other analytical outlets. The conference was opened by Aleksandar Pavich, director of SCF Serbia office, and Anna Filimonova, the head of SCF’s Moscow branch.
This is the transcript of the speech made by Andrew Korybko
Hi everybody, and thank you for coming. Before I begin, I’d also like to thank the Strategic Culture Foundation for inviting me here. I originally wanted to talk to you all about how the US’ Wars on Yugoslavia and Serbia were the test operations for perfecting the sort of Hybrid Warfare that is currently being deployed in the Mideast and elsewhere, but then I was inspired by my friend Stephen Karganovic to talk about something a little bit more pressing and which directly affects each and every one of you.
Serbia right now is an historic crossroads, it’s literally straddling the East and the West, but unlike during the Yugoslav period, it’s impossible to stay on the fence any longer. The US and its EU henchmen just won’t allow it, and like they did to Ukraine, they’re going to try to use force and intimidation in bringing Serbia over to their side. The West will never accept that Serbia is a Slavic country with close fraternal and full-spectrum pragmatic ties with Russia. By the simple fact that Serbia is what it is, it’s identified as an enemy and targeted for socio-political elimination, which is occurring step by step with the variety of so-called “non-governmental organizations” that are running wild throughout this country. Even worse, these groups and their foreign sponsors have seized control of most of Serbia’s media, so it’s very difficult for the average Serb to get an accurate idea about the dire position that their country is in.
At this moment, Serbia is more subjugated to NATO than it was to Nazi Germany before Hitler’s invasion. The latest agreement with the very same bloc that bombed this country 17 years ago is unbelievable, I never would have thought that Serbia, proud Serbia, the heart of the Balkans, would capitulate like this, and the worst part is that nobody did anything about it. Thank God there are the anti-NATO protests going on, but this is just a beginning, it’s not the full answer, but rather just a peek at what needs to come. Serbs are awakening, it’s taken some time, but the time is now, the historical moment is such that Serbia can no longer dither around and hope for its situation to change. Things will get worse before they get better, the country is on the brink of falling completely into the West’s lap and becoming another Croatia – indebted, weak, deindustrialized, and directly colonized. It’s happening, it’s already started, the process is underway and it’s only accelerating, but it can be stopped.
Unlike before, the West isn’t biding its time anymore either, it’s determined to destroy Serbia once and for all and irreversibly bring it under its boot. For the first time in Serbia’s history, it’s being courted by two world-changing Great Powers, Russia and China, and each has its own respective multipolar transnational infrastructure project that it’s pursuing in the region. Serbia has a unique chance to play a leadership role in Russia’s Balkan Stream gas pipeline and China’s Balkan Silk Road high-speed railway between Budapest and the Greek port of Piraeus. In both constructions, Serbia will play a pivotal and central role, and this will be to the benefit of all Serbs, finally giving your country the regional leadership position, pride, and respect that it historically deserves. It’s for this reason that the US has dedicated itself to crushing the Serbian spirit of independence and turning the country into another puppet state like Croatia and the others.
Right now they’re just employing subterfuge, total media control, and the utilization of some puppet politicians to get their way, but if they don’t succeed soon enough, they’ll definitely end up scaling the intensity of their destabilizations all the way up to Hybrid Warfare. As we can already see, they’re using Sarajevo to destabilize Republika Srpska as an indirect attack against Serbia, and the Immigrant Crisis was partially hatched as a means of throwing the entire region into socio-political chaos. The US will do whatever it can to sabotage Serbia, it’s not your friend, and neither is its proxy organization, the EU. They want to stop Serbia from playing a role in the emerging multipolar world order, and it’s your job, as patriotic Serbs, to stop them from doing this and to protect your country to the best of your ability. You need to do whatever is best for Serbia, you need to listen to your heart, to the suggestions of trusted experts, and do what you know your patriotic duty is.
This is an historical moment, there is no going back, it’s either the declining West or the rising Multipolar world, Serbia must choose, it can’t sit on the fence anymore. The international geopolitical situation has considerably worsened for Serbia, and this is a critical time that necessitates urgent action. It’s time to decide Serbia’s future, to set it on a trajectory for the coming decades. Never before has Serbia been more enslaved, yet never before has it been more free to choose its destiny and future. Russia and China are sticking their hand out, finally, Moscow is ready and all that Serbs have to do is say yes and the multi-generational dream can be complete. Finally, after so many years and generations of waiting, the two brotherly countries can build the joint future that they’ve always known is possible. The time is now.
There is no middle ground, no more sitting on the fence. Serbia is not Yugoslavia, it doesn’t have the capabilities to balance like during the Old Cold War. The world has changed and Serbia’s leadership mustn’t try to mechanically emulate the past when it’s no longer possible to do so. They’re selling a dream that’s special to all Serbs and resonates in each and every one of your hearts, but it’s just not possible anymore. Don’t believe them when they say that the West can be trusted and is Serbia’s friend. It’s not, and just look at what they did to you since the 1980s when they put you in debt, the 1990s when they viciously tore you apart and bombed you in Bosnia and then in your own borders. They took away Kosovo, they stole it and raped it and are continuing to defile it with each and every single passing day and hour. Churches are being destroyed, history is being spit upon, and some politicians are still trying to say that the West is Serbia’s friend? Unreal! Serbia needs to resolutely make its decision and stick with it to the end, the time is now.
I have Yugoslav heritage and am more proud of this than anything else in my life, and it really hurts me to see what is happening to Serbia, the living, beating, proud heart of Yugoslavia, and I honest to God want to help. Serbia must make a choice, Serbs must wake up their fellow compatriots, it’s now or never. Really, it’s not to be dramatic or anything, this is real life, it’s your life, it’s Serbia’s life, it’s the life of your civilization. Everything is at stake. The time is now.
Us Slavs understand each other and know when there’s trouble. It doesn’t matter where we were born, what matters is how we were raised. No one else can understand it or learn it, you have it or you don’t. You can’t fake it, you can’t engineer it – it’s either real passion or it’s not, and this is real. The anti-NATO protests are a good first step, long overdue and heartily welcomed, but now we need to reverse the actual NATO agreement itself and free this country from becoming the NATO colony that the US and its allied politicians here want it to be. Serbia is worse off now than it was on the eve of the Hitler invasion after the Nazi agreement. This is unacceptable and needs to be reversed immediately. Pride and freedom must be restored.
We are the core of modern Balkan history, we set the trends, we affect the regional zeitgeist, we have the power and the influence. It’s in us, it’s in this beautiful country called Serbia, in our land, in our people, in our religion, in our history. It’s in every single one of us and always will be. If you’re Serbian or you love Serbia like I do, then it’s your patriotic duty to save this country before it goes to the dogs. There’s a bright and shining future ahead of us, it’s here, Russia and China have stuck out their hand and are just waiting for Serbia to accept. Everything can be different, the pain and suffering of the past couple of decades will never go away, but with this promising future, at least it your sacrifices won’t be in vain. The time is now.
We saved the Southern Slavs once during World War I and freed them from the Austrian-Hungarians, we saved them twice during World War II and freed them from the Nazis, and God willing, we will save them a third time from the US and NATO! The time is now, Serbia, the time is now to get off of your knees, earn the respect that you deserve, make a resolute choice, and stick with it. Be brave, choose a new future, break free from the bad habits of the past two decades, and courageously walk with your head up and stare into the horizon towards the future that lies ahead of you, the future that you earned, that your family and ancestors have earned, and that your children will live in. The time is now, Serbia, and it’s about time that you realize your strength, wake up, and take control of your destiny!
God bless you all and God bless Serbia!
A very good and stirring speech. Only time will tell if enough of the Serbian peoples spirit still exists for it to make a difference anymore. Or have they given up and joined with their enemies in a collective national suicide pact.
Bob,
I hate to sound too much like Lenin or perhaps Strelkov, but organized groups are what are needed. The world is run by gangs. A bunch of unhappy people will likely end up like the individuals in places like Odessa. A group of 100 quasi-trained ruffians can take over a city if the police are in a state of confusion and there are only individuals left to resist. And this is why people like Gubarev are so sad about how things played out in the SE of Ukraine. A few million euros for bribes and a few groups of people who knew what they were doing could have done wonders – and hundreds of thousands of confused people can’t do much. And now the US has been working hard to create organization, so this is no longer possible.
Maybe the Serbs need a leader. And maybe they have been betrayed so many times they don’t trust anyone, certainly not Putin, who is perhaps the best we’ve got at the moment. If Moscow could only help a small part of the SE of Ukraine and in such a way that it was largely destroyed and left in a state with no economy or legal status, well, that is not going to inspire too many in Serbia that Moscow will help. For that matter, how many TV channels and newspapers are supported by Russia? If they can’t do that, they sure as heck aren’t going to provide any support that can stand up to the gangsters in the EU and NATO.
My suggested strategy is for Belgrade to become strongly anti-Russian. Then Moscow will see the need for another partner and offer good business deals. (yes, it’s sarcasm) The Russian strategy some of the hard men in Russian history would have chosen is probably to create a group inside Russia for pro-Russian/anti-NATO activities of all sorts in Serbia. Propaganda, attacking enemy institutions, behind the scenes destabilization if needed/possible, and so on. Instead, the current approach seems to be to have some Russian oligarch take a Serbian oligarch to his villa on the Mediterranean and out on his super-yacht. This approach sounds like what they did over the years with Kiev.
Hi Paul II,
I full heartedly agree.
But how do you expect VVP to help in SE Ukraine if he is so proud of always staying withing the law? Within the law that was written and enforced by the devils and worst enemies …
The west is maintaining not only 1000++ military bases abroad (Russia 2 worldwide [Syria]), but they fund thousands of such think tanks and NGO’s all over the world. What is Russia doing to counteract that beyond having established RT?
Why not some unrest in Mexico, let’s repeat the Ukraine scenario and create streams inside the annexed territories to return back to Mexico!!!!!
I’m serious about this.
These areas were unlawfully annexed and many latinos are living there.
They are fed up with “the Federals”.
Russia is staying way under its possibilities.
The questions is WHY :(
Martin,
I doubt that “the law” is really such an issue. The real law is that Russia’s financial and economic system is based on the West. And, to put it mildly, the oligarchs and elitists in Russia do not want to fight the West. The other problem is that Moscow has had unprincipled approaches to things for so long that nobody can trust them. Whether it be S-300 sales to Iran or preventing the deaths of women and children in the SE of Ukraine, actions speak louder than words, and Moscow has played a lot of imperial games over the years. As a current example, why was Karabakh in Azerbaijan in the first place? Because Stalin didn’t trust them and thought that having part of Armenia in Georgia and part in Azerbaijan would be good leverage? OK, but look at the mess, largely created in Moscow. And a significant percentage of Armenians don’t have a good view of Russia these days. How could such a ridiculous thing happen?
As for stirring up trouble in Mexico or Mexican areas, Moscow can’t even seem to organize things in places like Yerevan or Kharkov, so how are they going to do that in Mexico? The real problem is that the Kremlin’s heart isn’t in it. They simply don’t want to fight the West. They will respond to certain threats, but that is about it. So, for example, maybe they threatened the West over the latest sports doping BS. All in secret, of course. God knows what secrets the Western sporting industry has, and it is big business.
Given the situation with governance in that part of the world, the central govt (the new Federals) would have to be in Texas perhaps? Yes, I am suggesting that the central govt for Mexico would then be in Texas (which is planning to possibly secede anyway??)
I can’t help but agree with you. All that time and money spent trying to be friendly with Germans and the French was wasted. Had that been spend on the countries that mattered for Russia (Balkans,Ukraine) ,it would have been much better. I really can’t understand the thinking (or lack of it) that goes into that. Trying to befriend people that hate you. And won’t change easily. While letting your friends be destroyed around you.The empire doesn’t really need to do a lot there. Russia has done their work for them. I must make one more point though. I would even have liked the idea of having Russian oligarchs become friendly with the oligarchs in those other countries. If they had used “patriotic” oligarchs for that purpose (there are a handful of loyal ones). But instead the ones that befriended the other oligarchs were the non-patriotic 5th column oligarchs.So that made it even worse.
Uncle Bob 1 on April 19, 2016 · at 5:18 am UTC
“”””” I really can’t understand the thinking (or lack of it) that goes into that. Trying to befriend people that hate you. And won’t change easily. While letting your friends be destroyed around you.”””””
There can only be a single explanation.
Either stupidity (ruled out) or treason.
A long term game. Both you guys UB1 and Martin would be killed off in an initial assault because you are reactionary. The bigger game? I will await the results of the long game.
Putin? Can connect and feel for the average person. At the same time can see the long game where some of the average persons die before victory.
With Putin you can only look at the big picture rather than day to day picture. As the man said emotions need to be put aside when making decisions.
Right or wrong? that’s what it is.
There can be a long-term game that is still infested with things like stupidity or treason. A large percentage of Russians believe the collapse of the USSR/Russia and the looting and creation of today’s elite oligarchs came about by treason. So why would they not continue the treason? Born in treason, live and die in treason.
In any case, we have been in Putin’s rule for a long time now, so we should at least be able to examine some of the results and see what we think. Does this long-term plan seem to be successful? What has worked well and what has failed? I would argue that joining the WTO was a serious mistake, for example, as was the pro-EU position for so long. But you might disagree. On the other hand, the military modernization has gone quite well.
No Paul ll, one has to think long to win WW3. Russia had to hold its nerve and shield its light until it had in place the means to effectively deal with the overwhelming force arrayed against it. Russia needs two more years to be fully prepared. It seems to me the West is bent on denying Russia those two years. The EW capacities Russia has displayed in the Black Sea and now in Karlingrad have likely bought Russia an extra six months but the rush to war now is unstoppable.
Agreed
Haha,”reactionary”? Not in the traditional use of that word we aren’t. If anything I’d be a complete supporter of the pitchfork wielding populace. And donating some of the pitchforks. I’m not at all a believer in coddling “reactionaries” (which in the traditional meaning of the word, was another way of saying the rich, and right wing fascists).
“I really can’t understand the thinking (or lack of it) that goes into that.”
I really can’t understand why not – you were involved in this debate in April 2015 /real-world-vs-tv-reality-is-a-war-inevitable/comment-page-1/#comment-92740 and had surely read this http://www.globalresearch.ca/putin-blinks-in-ukraine-standoff-with-the-us-the-role-of-oligarchs/5382611…large sections of that article were quoted?
It hasn’t changed – it is, primarily, a matter of class.
> Anonymous on April 19, 2016 · at 2:39 pm UTC
Sounds like Martin from Capitalist East-Berlin aka Unknown Putin.
However, I agree that you nay have been correct.
rgds.
“Sounds like Martin from Capitalist East-Berlin aka Unknown Putin”
I posted as “Satan1” for a short period but prefer vanilla Anonymous – I can, currently, no longer suggest you change your moniker.
Oh, very generous of you.
Your (lack of) name: Better post as “Anonymous”, because with “Satan1” I would not write you. With that nickname it doesn’t surprise if KatKan (or who you said it was) censored you independently from what you may or may not have written/submitted. It is bad enough that insane barbaric killer-Satanists are running the planet. But it sounds quite stupid to identify as one of them.
“insane barbaric killer-Satanists”
What is insane is that people talk of god/God in terms of love when, as is self-revealed, that deity has already pre-judged the vast majority of mankind to eternal damnation.
It would be be better therefore not to judge Satan so harshly (if that being were to exist).
Keep your religious trinkets on your dashboard and consider “Martin-from-religious-East-Berlin” as a new moniker.
You are drinking too much.
That’s when many good ideas are formed. Try it one day – you might have one.
Being atheist and hating Satan is not very sane (unless of course you’re not very atheist).
Maybe you’ll then decide you’re agnostic (like me) in which case you might decide to read the theological mumbo-jumbo trying to describe how God is “good” and realise you should have been drinking more all along and not relying on the dashboard trinkets so much.
I recommend Guinness.
Yes, indeed! Andrew is very very stirring.
I wonder what the reaction has been, in the audience and elsewhere.
It is intriguing to note the strength of the hold of the Euro-Atlantic myth over so many countries and peoples. As if a black magician had cast a spell that they cannot break…
Let’s hope Andrew made a dent in this evil pall.
As someone who is against the Godless Western-Nato alliance and what it is doing to the Middle-East and globally to mankind, I have more in common with someone who believes in Christianity and its values than the complete atheistic godless materialistic people ruling the West.
So what I am wondering what is the role of religion in all of this for Serbia and the other Orthodox countries?
Have the Orthodox people and their leadership to a certain extent lost their religion like the many in the Western alliance?
Many people including Mr. Andrew Korybko often speak in nationalistic or ethnic terms, like NATO-Western Alliance vs Eastern Russia, Non-slavs vs Slavic peoples……but why we do not hear about Godless vs Orthodox people, or Godless atheistic people vs people who live by Christian values?
Shouldn’t the people of Orthodox faith ally themselves with one another, like the Serbs, Greeks, Russians, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc.
Has nationalism, socialism, communism, and all these isms eroded the faith of the Eastern Orthodox people or are their people returning to their faith?
Doesn’t faith unite even different ethnicities like Greeks and Slavs ?
Doesn’t faith have beautiful values in moderation, charity, modesty, brotherhood……especially when avoiding extremism, fanaticism, fundamentalism ?
Can’t it be a force of unity against a very Godless materialistic and disastrous usurious system that the Western-Zionist-Nato alliance has unleashed on the world ?
Surely if Russians and their Western neighbors (Eastern European) return to their Orthodox roots, they can form a formidable alliance and protect their interests…
Unfortunately, Andrew, you are in no position to urge Serbs to uprising, regardless of your Serbian heritage, your ( possibly correct ) reading of the current geopolitical situation, and ( not so correct ) reading of Serbian history.
For starters, just because Russia and China have a few large scale industrial projects, (mining, transportation, and industry – which will primarily benefit them), does it mean that they (RF & China)will defend it when West enters militarily, via ISIS stationed in Bosnia (Moslem part) and Kosovo (Albanian part) ? Unlikely. They didn’t defend it either in Iraq or Libya. And if any Serbian leader thinks that he can independently direct industrial policy to benefit Serbia, his life will be promptly terminated, as happened to Zoran Dzindzic when he tried interfering in sales of ironworks in Smederevo and mining complex in Kosovo.
Second, at the time of Nazis, there were two distinct resistance movements, one led by Col. Draza Mihajlovic, the other by Josip Broz Tito. Both being fairly active throughout WWII, with considerable appeal to various segments of population. Their success varied, but starting with the collapse of Italy in 1943, Tito’s movement got substantially increased aid, military and political, by the alies. Thus, people had a choice in resisting. Right now, there is no choice as there is no resistance movement of any sort, hybrid or otherwise. Serbia has been effectively disarmed by Nato, with only symbolic professional army entirely controlled by it. To call for uprising, as I understand your speech, is to call for mass slaughter. I don’t think that Serbia can afford, to have its youth slaughtered or forced to emigrate in large numbers, 4-th or 5-th time in the last 100 years, as it happened in WWI, WWII, during Cold War, during wars 1990-2000, and ongoing right now.
Third, I do think that existence of absolutely humongous 5-th column, zillions of NGOs, all key ministries and police controlled by Nato, aggravated by quisling government, prevents any sort of successful organization of resistance movement. It is so bad, that even some of my oldest and dearest friends still believe in “European values”, democracy in the west, etc etc.
Depression is widespread, miss and dis-information is rampant, official lies omnipresent, poverty widespread. So conditions for uprising are there, yet neither armed, nor Gandhi type resistance are
in sight. There is no unifying theme which significant amount of people will fully support , as happened in WWII with “Smrt fashizmu, Sloboda Narodu” ( Death to fascism, Freedom to People)
Don’t think, Andrew, I did not like your current or past articles. I do believe your heart is in the right place. I just do not believe this is the right time for an uprising. I may be wrong.
Best regards, Spiral
P.S. For those who might accuse me of being a defeatist, troll, traitor or worse, I will mention that both of my parents fought in WWII with Tito Partizans. I lost all of my mother’s family in Jasenovac camp (Croatia), my father’s family murdered in Belzec camp (Poland). I still have Serbian passport, and no other.
Hi Spiral,
fully understand you.
It is a hopeless situation alltogether, in all countries.
And with such a situation where even Russia and China can not blindy be relied on, this will never improve. On the other hand: It will end in a bloodbath this way or the other way.
Staying passive and yes-Sir’ing won’t save humanity.
Tito tried that with the Americans, look how they thanked him.
I agree however that structures and organization are essential.
And that with modern mainstream youth zombies and ongoing western media it will be impossible.
All is not lost. It only takes a handful to awaken a nation…
Spiral,
With your and your family background (as noted at the end of your concise note), nobody in their sense, can term you ‘troll’ or ‘traitor’.
However, you may appear as ‘defeatist’ because you are feeling that the existing adverse condition of Serbia (the socio-political / socio-economic / cultural) can not be changed … I know, it will appear to you (or, any Serbian) that people like us (staying thousands of kilometers away) can comment on ‘what to do’ or ‘what not to do’ but the ground reality is different !
Looking into the history of AngloZionist empire building and resistance to that, during past few centuries, it is clear that Serbian people can come back from the brink. May be by forming citizens forums / self defense units etc. (much in the same way the Hegemon spread its NGO as 5th column) for active resistance to the political party which act as lackey and for promotion of political party who is pro-Eurasian Union and wants to maintain the interests of common 90% of Serbian people…
Dear Spiral,
Nothing is static or everlasting, and this is something you know very well since you have clearly read and lived some history.
There will come a day where NATO will not exist, where the dollar will not be a currency, where social media will disappear or where usury and debt will not rule the world.
All religions teach us hope and perseverance since we are only here on this Earth for a short period, and we leave it to the next generation.
As for “Hope”, I will leave you with some words of the Noble Quran:
…And whosoever fears Allah…He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty). And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine.
Quran 65:2-3
…After a difficulty, Allah will soon grant relief.
Quran 65:7
So, verily, with every difficulty, there is relief: Verily with every difficulty there is relief. Therefore, when you are free (from your immediate task), still labor hard. And to your Lord turn (all) your attention.
Quran 94:5-7
Allah promises us that after every difficulty is relief. We must never lose hope that our situation will improve.
Say: “My servants, you who have transgressed against yourselves, do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Truly Allah forgives all wrong actions. He is the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Merciful.”
Quran 39:53
Losing hope in Allah’s mercy is likened to disbelieving in Allah.
Do you think that you will enter paradise without such trials as came to those who passed away before you? They experienced suffering and adversity and were so shaken in spirit that even the Prophet and the faithful who were with him cried, “When will Allah’s help come?” Ah, verily the help of Allah is near.
Quran 2:214
The path to paradise involves trials and difficulties. But never lose hope! It is just a test!
Surely there is in the person of Allah’s messenger an excellent example for you—for every person who has hope in Allah and the hereafter and who remembers Allah, reciting His name many times.
Quran 33:21
Hope is faith in Allah and the hereafter.
…So be not of the despairing.
Quran 15:55
Wealth and sons are allurements of the life of this world: but the things that endure, Good Deeds, are best in the sight of thy Lord, as rewards, and best as (the foundation for) hopes.
Quran 18:46
The true foundation of hope is the good that we do in this life.
God is with you and will never deprive you of your (good) deeds.
Quran 47:35
Do not lose heart nor fall into despair! You shall triumph if you are believers.
Quran 3:139
True success comes to those who believe.
Their limbs do forsake their beds of sleep, the while they call on their Lord, in Fear and Hope: and they spend (in charity) out of the sustenance which We have bestowed on them.
Quran 32:16
Waking up to pray to Allah when we are tired is a sure sign of our hope in Allah’s reward.
Call upon your Lord humbly and in secret. Lo! He loveth not transgressors. Work not confusion in the Earth after the fair ordering thereof, and call on Him in fear and hope. Lo! The mercy of Allah is nigh unto the good.
Quran 7:55-56
The Serbian people have always been prepared to fight the good fight, but in the 1990s, our people faced the onslaught of NATO in complete isolation, no government or state stood by us, & it took its toll. After 10 years of holding the front line in the 1990s NATO march to the East, resistance collapsed at the governmental level, as well as the military hierarchy, & we got ourselves a neat little colour revolution, the so-called “Bulldozer Revolution” of 5th October 2000. Since then it has been all downhill, the West has the country on lockdown, every election since the Bulldozer coup has been rigged & resistance to the NATO ‘soft’ occupation has been quelled by all manner of subversion, including kidnapping & renditioning leaders off to the Hague, as in the case of Milosevic, Seselj, Karadzic & many many others. For those of us who live outside, in the so-called Serbian ‘diaspora’ in the West, it has been extremely painful to watch all of this unfold over the years. When I was visiting family a year ago, I noticed in the provincial town hall (opstina) in Loznica, a USAID office. I had to hold my Mother back from storming in the place outraged, she was going to demand someone explain to her what the CIA were doing operating that openly in our home town. Of course she knew the answer, she wanted to hear it from the local collaborators. That’s how deep they’ve penetrated, & whenever we advise & urge our family & friends to vote a certain way, or support some group or initiative, they always respond despondently – NATO will bomb us again. To which we cannot reply, because to say that NATO will do nothing of the sort because Russia will not allow it, invokes the following reply – oh yeah, like in 1999. We persevere in mild frustration & stress that vodka saturated Eltsin & rentboy Kozyrev are no more, Putin is a different story. To which someone will always remark – yeah, like Putin saved his own people in the Donbass, or Odessa – & don’t tell us about geopolitics, Syria, hybrid war, avoiding provocations & traps, we don’t have to live, but we won’t let our children die in pointless sacifice. So that’s how the dialogue goes. Now not all people think this way, the majority of opinion in Serbia is virulently opposed to NATO, & increasingly to the EU, the majority have always voted for self-described patriots who usually went on to sell out, but the bottom line is this – if Serbia does what it eventually should do & must do, & that is to reject EU integration, tell NATO to suck a ——-, & enter an unconditional alliance with Russia, what will Russia do to support this? That has always been the dilemma for the Serbian people, because we know it means war. And yes, that war is coming one way or another, I know that, I’ve been stressing to my folks back home since 1991 that Serbia is being defended in Knin (Srpska Krajina), & that if we lose Republika Srpska then Kosovo-Metohija will be next, followed by Vojvodina, & Raska Oblast that some idiots call ‘Sandzak,’ it even goes so far as some Vlach imposters claiming territory for Romania in Serbia’s east (Timocka/Negotinska Krajina). But try explaining this to the more defeatist & despondent members of Serbian society, unfortunately there are plenty of them, which utterly sickens me but it is what it is.
So, I have no doubt that at this point Russia will do a lot in the face of all of this, but even under Putin this has not always been the case, we don’t need to look to Ukraine & how restrained Russia has had to be, in the face of Nazi Maidan provocations. A few years back when Konuzin was ambassador in Beograd (Belgrade) he was interviewed by the magazine Pecat & said openly that Russia is not prepared to enter into a confrontation with the West over the Balkans. So you are on your own, that’s what he was saying & good for him for being honest, it’s not that Serbs need Russia or anyone else to fight our battles for us, but we cannot hold back NATO on our own without any significant support either. Morale support is not enough. The Russian people have always shown the way, above & beyond respective governments that come & go, I have in mind all the Russia dobrovolci (volunteers) who laid down their lives for our joint cause. Russians on an individual level fought as volunteers in all the ex-Yugoslav wars of the 1990s, including one Igor Strelkov, & many were killed in Bosnia & in Kosovo, it is this that later inspired numerous Serbs to volunteer to fight for Novorossia in the Donbass. Thank God for these people, they have shown the way & what Serbian-Russian bratstvo is really all about. Vecna im slava.
Vor,
I traveled through Loznica from time to time (on the way to/from Zvornik and Tuzla).
What you describe in your long good message makes a lot of sense.
As long as Russia is no reliable protector, why should people be as insane again as in Odessa, Mariupol or in Donbass?
We all will die early enough. But it doesn’t need to be today.
Worse: Dying is bad enough, but dying for nothing is stupid.
Without true 100% support from Russia, such mini-revolutions are suicide.
Agreed, but if Russia was in a position to do so I think it would have done so already in Ukraine.
It is still punch drunk from the beatdown it suffered in the 90s it takes time to recover from that.
This is all true, I’m not one of these people that condemns Russia or Putin for not being supportive enough, I am critical, but enough of a realist to know that the position of any Russian government is extremely delicate, it’s not all that different from Chavez in Venezuela, trying to strengthen the country with the minimum possible disruption & conflict, so that when that inevitable conflict comes, the fight can be fought & won. I do not imagine it is easy. I also do not doubt that Putin is in this to win, & that is no glorification, the facts speak for themselves.
@the Immigrant Crisis was partially hatched as a means of throwing the entire region into socio-political chaos
I doubt that it was only “partially” and not primarily. The ultimate goal is to force them to settle in the Balkans. It is the second phase of the Turkish offensive to re-Islamize the countries they lost. If you look back at history you will see that the “West” has always abetted the Turks against the “Balkaniks” whom they always stabbed in the back as a means to subvert Russia by the same token. Germany not only sided unashamedly with the Turks whenever the Russians came to the rescue of the Christians in the Balkans sabotaging their actions, but initiated a current of Islamophilia and Turkophilia in the 19th centuries, combined with contempt and hatred for the Balcanic Untermenschen, with the obvious political aim of an alliance against Russia.
What we see is history repeating itself.
I think Putins UN speech announced the start of a new era where Russia is ready to step back out into the world and tackle US regime change head on. At the moment Russia is still putting itself back together and it is hard to tell what form Russia’s actions will take.
Both Donbass and Syria I think set the tone. Where there is a solid nucleus of committed people, Russia will help and give them the means to defend themselves, but not the means to subjugate and militarily occupy a larger area where the citizens are not in 100% support.
That will mean continuous low level warfare along front lines. At the moment so called rebels in Syria have joined with al Qaeda in renewed attacks so I guess they will be wiped out and a bit more ground taken. If Ukraine attack Donbass again, their forces will be destroyed same as before and a bit more ground taken.
Trying to pick the long game is a bit harder. US is unsustainable as it is. It must defeat Russia to survive, to control more resources but is unable to do so at the present time.
Along with continuing hybrid warfare, the US military seems to be trying for a tech breakthrough to achieve first strike capability over Russia within the next one to two decades.
That will mean pulling a lot of money out of the vassal states over the coming years with rising dissent among the vassal states.
Putins strategy seems to be to support those groups/governments that are solid in the face of US attacks, keep up good defences, especially with nuke deterrent and wait for the US empire to implode.
My thoughts exactly Peter. This is a war of attrition and a race against time for the Anglo-American empire to secure more resources to keep their debt-ponzi economy going before it collapses. For the first time in a long time, however, it looks like they are now on the verge of collapse, economically and politically. The rest of this year will be very telling, will the downward trend continue (as I expect) or will the good times come back for the West? As far as I’m concerned, Putin has played this game impeccably so far, patience is key and to win he only needs to actively counter the AA empire from taking more ground, he doesn’t need to destroy them.
Rich in support of the rich.
What a miserable appeal to Serbian Nationalism. How sad.
Тошо, (Removed insult. Non-English insults are not permitted either.M.O.D.)
The hand Russia and China are offering is a few business deals. The hand the West is offering is much more serious. And what would really be nice is an article discussing the mistakes Russia made in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. For example, on Peter Lavelle’s show, one of the guests said that Russian diplomatic policy was that EU expansion in Eastern Europe was good, but NATO expansion was bad. This was a mistake. EU expansion leads to things like strangling Serbia or blowing up the Ukraine. And he noted that Russia doesn’t even admit the mistake yet.
For whatever reason, Russia has been unable or unwilling to do certain things that seem necessary, such as create pro-Russian institutions in countries like Armenia, Serbia, and the Ukraine. This is even stranger than Russia’s continuation of the Western-dependent, neoliberal financial and economic model over the last 15 years. At least that can be rationalized by Putin’s desire to avoid a civil war within the elites. What is the logic in not promoting a pro-Russian agenda in countries so vital as the Ukraine?
I’ve seen that Peter Lavelle’s show and agree with you.Mistakes have been made,hopefully they learn from those wrong steps.On one hand Russia is showing weakness,on the other hand strength.
Putin’s strategy is to let being seen playing with open cards,the reality is that he does not show all his cards.And that is absolute normal.I remember,a few years ago I’ve seen a documentary about a Putin’s day in office,he invited the cameraman in his office and showed his working-table.There was laying a dossier…he said “… this is the daily report from the secret services,every day I begin with this one…but I will not show you,if you don’t mind…” I told this story just to point out that he has much more information as we ever imagine.He can see the Big Picture,whereas we not.I can’t imagine that he is not aware at what is going on,he just simply can’t afford that.The right timing is the open question we would love to know but exactly this – the right timing (or right operational timing) – is the question for his opponents – internal and external – which they are so eager to find out.He is till today a Mystery Man.
“He is till today a Mystery Man”
Get your tickets here…”The unknown Putin – Part IV”
Thanks,I’ve seen that
What about Part V – or perhaps some more unknowns must occur before that gets to general release?
A few of the commentators here have the right of it. If Russia wants Serbs its going to have to put skin in the game.
They can’t be used in a reverse Ukraine… Fight NATO to the last Serb.
They got a raw deal every time they resisted and that means some trust will have to be built, otherwise its not worth the effort. Die by the hundreds so that Russia and China speechify about your bravery posthumously isn’t reward enough in and of its self.
They’ll wait, thats all they’ve got left. If the Soviets could fund (or trick the West into doing it) Tito the Russians can start up something if they are so inclined. Otherwise the most that will rise is the sound of dejected laughter and the souls of the true believers as they get impotently gunned down.
Bravo Andrew, let the truth ring out straight from the heart.
RR
Use of caps are not allowed by Saker’s moderation policy. Changed to lowercase … next time will not be approved … mod-hs
“us slavs” uh oh do i detect a little bit of racial awareness here…? ha ha…
no no i like that,i like the slavs, they are the last hope of the white race.Everything depends on you this time.
God bless Russia and God bless Serbia !
a few years into the future:
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Lol!
@ Mr. Korybko
First of all, my dear young friend, you should show some respect to those countless thousands of partisan fighters in WWII Yugoslavia who bled and died fighting from 20 to sometimes 30 German nazi-divisions, preventing them to fight on the Eastern front! In adition to that, they had to fight the chetniks of Draza Mihailovic (did you know that chetniks hated „Russian communists“ more then anybody else) who wanted to bring back the king who fled to London (not Moscow!). The partisans had to persevere til september of 1944 when the „Russian“ units (actualy, Soviet, composed of many nationalities) first appeared, and that in order to help liberate only Belgrade. There were, in spite of what the official Serbian propaganda now lies, tens upon tens of thousands of Slovenians, Croatians, Bosniaks, Montenegrins, Macedonians and Albanians among those partisans. Not just Serbs. They joined mostly in winter 1942, defecting from chetniks.
It wasn’t much different during WWI. When did Russia saved either Yugoslavia or Serbia? Russia always meddled just the same as the West is doing, trying to reach her own aims (old dream of coming to the warm sea – using Serbia to achieve control of the Adriatic). Just ask Montenegrins, they are also Slavic and orthodox-christian – but they simply do not trust Russians. American Empire or Russian Empire – what really is the difference? You play on their feelings mentioning again and again the NATO bombing of Serbia – but what Russia really did in relation to that? What Russia did when they put the „Bondsteel“ base on Kosovo? What did China say when they targeted her own embassy in Belgrade? I wouldn’t be surprised if both of them silently noded to NATO to go ahead with the strikes!
Russia’s role is slowly being revealed – in the Balkans, in the Caucasus, in the ME, around the Caspian……Putin wants Russian Empire, disguised as the sole savior of mankind, or at least the Slavs. The only question is – why do not so many Slavic nations trust Russia?
I would trust you if Romania and Bulgaria were on your side, but they are not, partly thanks to Slobodan Milosevic, who unleashed hell in ex-Yugoslavia while those two silently joined EU and NATO. It would have been impossible with Yugoslavia intact!!!! Serbia had so many adventures and miscalculations in the last twenty or so years; new adventures can just be unbearably expensive. For the record, I am the last person to support the West and their colonisation and looting, but let us be real….
Maybe you are right. When Serbia before the start of WWI asked Russia to support them against Austria-Hungary they should have said no. And just stood by while Austria-Hungary destroyed and annexed Serbia. Not a single other country was willing to stand with Serbia. So had Russia not honored her word to Serbia, WWI would not have broken out (at least not at that time).Serbia would have just disappeared into the Austro-Hungarian Empire as another province. And millions of Russians (and millions of others) would not have died.The Russian Revolution also would not have broken out,caused by the upheaval of WWI.So many tragic things happened because of an honored pledge.So since you think Russia did nothing for Serbia,maybe it would have been better for the World (in hindsight) if they really hadn’t.
Of course as we see today,the same is true for Bulgaria.So many young Russians died to free Bulgaria from the Turks. And Bulgaria today spits on Russia. I think the Russians should never have lifted a finger to help “brothers” who today act more like “strangers”. It’s hard to even discus the utter churlish ingratitude of Poland. Where a half a million Soviet soldiers died freeing that country.Only to see their graves and monuments being defiled today. A worthless sacrifice of young lives for an ungrateful country.Bypassing it would have been better. The nazis murdered 6 million Polish citizens while they ruled Poland,5 short years (more an a million a year). I figure they could have gotten another million or so under their belts if the Soviets had just not bothered with them and went around with their full forces.Instead of multiple fronts splitting their manpower.Maybe they won’t have taken Berlin. But with the forces from the Polish battles, instead they could have taken all Southern Germany and North Italy.Considering the areas of Germany they occupied were the weak industrial areas. The trade-off would have been better for the USSR.
With my due respect Bob,but bypassing Poland,from military point of view was and it is irrational.Just imagine the tank armies going trough Carpathian mountains and then though the Alps,meanwhile the German forces attacking them in the northern flank deep in the Russian heartland,just as at the beginning of the “Barbarossa”.Thus,the geography of Poland was and is very suitable for tank-warfare and deep operational planning.
I didn’t say it would have been easy. Though there would have been some advantages as I mentioned from it. Even the first Anglo-American plan by the British was to invade through the Balkans as I recall. So the USSR doing that wasn’t impossible. In fact they did do that. They liberated all that region and advanced into Austria as well. Had they held a strong position on the Bug or Vistula. Germany was so weakened by then she didn’t have the troops or equipment for a new Barbarossa.Of course they didn’t do that. Instead they liberated Poland and then conquered Berlin. My point was that was a choice. And considering the ingratitude of Poland today for that liberation. I would have just as well seen the nazis keep Poland a bit longer. They seem to be such good friends with Germany. And liking the “European values”. Maybe another year of “experiencing” nazi Germany’s brand of European Values would have been fitting for them. Certainly today I doubt a USSR would have granted them ethnic German territories in the West (around a third of Poland today),in exchange for ethnic Rus territories stolen by Poland in the past. They would have simply declared a Poland in their ethnic 1945 territory, and left it at that (the correct decision anyway).
I was wondering when you were going to toss that one out Bob. Its your favorite counter.
My counter is thus, Russia did what she did for Russia not for Serbia. All of its actions were first in self interest as are all actions on the world stage. If it was more favorable for Serbia to be consumed by the Austro-Hungarians Russia would have done just that.
Lets not play at Honor when there is none to be had in politics.
The honorable thing to do was to fulfill the Iranian order for S-300s but Russia did not do it. Why? Where was its balls then when it was alone Bob? Did they shrivel?
So don’t go throwing around brotherhood like you have a handle on it.
You want Serbs on your side? Give them a reason to fight aside from ideals. We have a saying in Serbia, I’m handsome, you’re pretty, but what are we going to eat?
You are right,historical truth is my favorite counter argument in almost all situations when discussing “history” (I’m strange that way I guess). But I’d love to hear your explanation how supporting Serbia was “good” for Russia. Russia at that time was directly allied with France. An in a “quasi” alliance with Britain. Two of the greatest World powers of the day.While if Russia would have done nothing and allowed Austria-Hungary to annex Serbia .Austria-Hungary would have faced countless Serb revolts. And constant guerrilla war in that area. While Russia would have “lost face” over letting Serbia stand on their own. As far as the “real World” situation goes. It might have been better for Russia. Her aiding the Balkan states was a constant drain on her. And led to Russian lives being lost. None more of a tragedy for Russia than that time. It destroyed the Russian Empire. Cost the lives of 18 million Russians (when we add the Revolution into it). And crippled Russia for decades (an argument can be made that even to today).The World changed (for the worst I’d argue) over Russia standing by Serbia. When we use 20/20 hindsight to see the results of it. I don’t disagree with you that great powers in general always consider their own interests. That there is a great deal of hypocrisy in the World. But I think in this case it was somewhat different. Russians let Pan-Slav and “brotherly” feelings blind them from doing what was right for Russia alone.A rare circumstance in that World,and even rarer in our World.
Historical facts your rear end.
The fact of the Matter was Czar Nikolas was floundering and needed a show of Strength. Losing face was exactly what he couldn’t afford so he threw his lot in with the Serbs.
The end result was the Bolshevik Revolution because he botched the war so spectacularly.
So much for Slavic Brotherhood, realpolitik to the bitter end.
I don’t know where you get your “information” from. But you should change the source. You and many others break the “cardinal rule” of studying history,”never,ever,translate thinking of your time ,to the thinking of the past times”. The Tsar wasn’t “floundering” in 1914. They had just celebrated the 300 years of Romanov rule in 1913. To vast crowds and outpourings of devotion. His diaries recorded how pleased they were at seeing the feelings of the people.He had given Russia a Constitution (reluctantly) which satisfied most of the middle and upper classes. And had rigged the last Duma elections to make sure mostly pro-government delegates were elected.He certainly would have lost face over not helping Serbia. But this was a Tsar that had survived a savage 1905 revolution. Had survived the losses to Japan. And he worked until the last day to avoid that war,not push for it. You are right though, that he (and the system) was responsible for the losses in the war. It was a disaster for Russia.
The chosen ‘flash point’ for an Anglo-American war to destroy Germany, weaken the European powers and make the whole of Europe subservient to Western banking interests was the Balkans. In November 1912, a telegram from the Russian ambassador in Bulgaria to the Russian foreign minister (Isvolsky) identified a representative of the British newspaper The Times who claimed that “very many people in England are working towards accentuating the complication in the Balkans to bring about the war that would result in the destruction of the German fleet and German trade”.
This Times journalist was most likely James David Bourchier, a member of the English aristocracy who was deeply involved in the Balkan League, an organisation set up in 1912 by the Russian ambassador in Belgrade, Nicholas Hartwig, to lobby for the independence of Balkan states from the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empires. Nicholas Hartwig was an agent of the English monarch, Edward VII, and, thereby, of the British elite. Independence for the Balkan states was fully in line with the British elite’s aim of dismantling competing empires.
The assassination of arch-duke Franz Ferdinand in 1914 is recorded as the spark that ignited the First World War. But this is a distortion of the facts. As mentioned, British plans for war against Germany were at least a decade old by that point. In any case, assassinations of royalty and nobility were fairly common at that time in Europe, and the death of Ferdinand was not something that would necessarily have provoked a world war. Certainly, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was only interested in quieting the Serbs, and Germany, Austria-Hungary’s ally, was decidedly against the crisis spiraling out of control.
After the assassination, the British government deceptively announced to Austria-Hungary and Germany that they accepted Austria-Hungary’s right to compensation from Serbia. When Austria delivered its July Ultimatum on July 23rd to the Serbs – a series of demands that were intentionally made unacceptable – it expected a local war to result, but Russian foreign minister Sazonov (another British agent) responded by mobilizing Russian forces on July 28th against the wishes of the Tsar. The British also quietly mobilized their own troops in anticipation of a German move against Belgium, which occurred on August 4th.
What neither Germany nor Austria-Hungary realised was that the assassination – the casus belli – had been orchestrated by the Serbs with the encouragement of British agents in the Russian government. In the 1917 court case on the assassination, Serbian colonel Dragutin Dimitrijević confessed that he hired Ferdinand’s assassins and that the murder was planned with the knowledge and approval of the Russian ambassador in Belgrade – Nicholas Hartwig – and the Russian military attaché in Belgrade, Viktor Artamonov. Both Hartwig and Artamonov were effectively in the pay of the British government. If it had been widely revealed at the time that the Russians were directly involved in the assassination, the British government could not have justified the war to the British public, who held strong anti-Tsarist opinions, thanks to being systematically fed anti-Russian propaganda during the ‘Great Game’ of the 19th century. If anything, they would have called for war against Russia.
Even as the Russian and German armies were marching out of their barracks on July 1st, the Tsar and the Kaiser were exchanging telegrams in a futile attempt to avert disaster. In a note he wrote later that day, the Kaiser finally understood the depth of British perfidy:
“I have no doubt about it: England, Russia and France have agreed among themselves to take the Austro-Serbian conflict for an excuse for waging a war of extermination against us… the stupidity and ineptitude of our ally is turned into a snare for us … the net has been suddenly thrown over our head, and England sneeringly reaps the most brilliant success of her persistently prosecuted purely anti-German world policy against which we have proved ourselves helpless. We are brought into a situation which offers England the desired pretext for annihilating us under the hypocritical cloak of justice.”
Do I need to continue? What about the Russians marching on Constantinople, only to find out that it was a set-up by their “allies”? Are they realy so naive? Are we about to see the rerun of that same “play”?
The role of all the “great powers” in the Balkans in that day was very “murky” at best. But I don’t believe even half of that. I’d need to see a lot more proof than what you offer (which is none). The 1917 “trial” of Dragutin Dimitrijević is considered to be a version of what we would call today a Show Trial. And he was shot right after it. Many believe to shut him up over the Serbian governments knowledge of the Archduke’s killing. You are correct that many assassinations were done in those days. But none of them were like that one.Most of them were done by small revolutionary groups on their own. With that one, a neighbor nation state’s intelligence service was accused (partially correctly) of arranging the murder of a great power heir to the throne. It was then,and would be today, a shocking scandal. And if proven, a very valid excuse for war. I can’t speak about the British government (but I doubt their involvement as well. Historically it doesn’t sound correct).But the Russian government. While not wanting be be seen as “backing down,and deserting her ally” had no desire for a great war in Europe. Russia wasn’t at all prepared to fight such a war. And her general staff knew they were years away from that.Which is the reason Russia did so badly during the war.The lack of equipment and war supplies was a scandal that saw the War Ministers being constantly replaced.Its convenient that the witnesses you mention in your post.Were either killed to silence them,or had fled their homelands at the time they were telling these stories,not able to show any proof other than their “word”.
The timing of the conflict depended on the completion of the Kaiser Wilhelm, later renamed Kiel canal. The German and UK naval rivalry showed the confrontation was programmed many years beforehand. The HMS Dreadnought delayed the confrontation as the Kaiser built competing destroyers of the same class. The canal had to be deepened and widened to accommodate these ships in the Kiel canal.
The canal allowed the warships from the Baltic to travel through the canal to the North Sea and vice versa rather than pass around the Jutland peninsula. The UK was being challenged particularly for the lucrative trade with Russia.
Six weeks after completing the canal expansion WW1 was launched.
I have read that Czar was of opinion that if Russ failed to rescue Serbia, then Czar would be deposed – if so, then the calculus was to avoid Revolution, at least an immediate one.
@chetniks hated „Russian communists“ more then anybody else
Was it not the other way round? Communist “yugoslavs” partisans (many former ‘Spanish fighters’) under the Comintern agent the Croat Josip Broz Tito (or perhaps the Polish Jew Joshua Ambroz Mayer – as “conspiracy theorists” would have it) hating the Serbs?
In the interest of the truth and concurrent regional events I’d like to inform Andrew Korybko and the Saker’s readers a little about current events in Macedonia, because as I see it, before the fall of Serbia must come the final dismemberment of Macedonia, which is at this very moment being prepared. On the front line is Serbian Otpor and Canvas, both Soros proxies and virulent destroyers of everything born of love, of freedom, of respect, backed by Macedonian opposition party activists from the Social Democratic Union of Macedonia – the infamous SDSM, and Albanian party Besa, who are at this moment reeking havoc upon the Macedonian state.
While the US “ambassador” to Macedonia Jess Bailey, tasked specifically for the job and in tandem with former US cancer, er… “ambassador” to Macedonia, Phillip Reeker, along with their “excellencies”, the ambassadors from the governments of Great Britain, Greece, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Bulgaria and lets not forget, Albania, have, according to Macedonian journalist and correspondent on behalf of Macedonian Information Agency – MIA – in Brussels, Boban Nonkovic, prepared the script which will be delivered as an ultimatum to the 4 major political parties in Macedonia which have been summoned to Brussels this Friday, the 22nd April, in order to “solve the current political crisis”. This, no less, includes the vaunted name change and federalization of Macedonia, the US’s long term regional strategic goal. Federalizing Macedonia is the prequel to its divison between Albania and Bulgaria, but apparently, Greece and Serbia will be gifted as well. To further enable this plan, it is hoped that in the upcoming Serbian elections, Tadic’s party will become part of the ruling coalition in Serbia along with Vujcic, instead of Dacic, thereby sidelining Vujcic’s reported “reticence” which, it is hoped will complete the enstrangulation of Macedonia as apparently, the Vujcic/Tadic combination will be 100 % on side with shitkicker USA and their nefarious little band of lackeys. Which btw, are being funded by the clueless taxpayers of all of the aforementioned countries. If all goes to plan, Serbia will be gifted with Macedonian city, Kumanovo in the planned division and dissolution of the Macedonian state.
The US/EU/NATO aim is to close the “Macedonian Question” which the so-called great powers of the day already tried to do, with the Balkan Wars of 1912/13 when Macedonia was divided among the 4 wolves – Macedonia’s neighbours – Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia and Albania. The goal is to arrest and jail Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski ( and thus disarray his popular ruling VMRO DPMNE party along with the Macedonian people ) whose great crime was that American ass smelt so horrible that every time he lowerd his head to kiss it as was demanded of him, he would fall into a swoon and got up and continued with implementing his excellent economic policies and also, defend Macedonia’s national interests in what he saw as normal par of the course responsibilities insofar as being Prime Minister of his beloved Rep.of Macedonia. Albania, with the completion of the Greater Albania project once western Macedonia is included, along with San Stefano Bulgaria, ie; with eastern Macedonia included and both NATO members, will then be in a powerful position viz-a-viz Serbia which, will apparently, no longer be able to parry with Albania.
So, I can sympathise with Serbia as we in Macedonia are experiencing the same thing. Little do those intoxicated with power realise that the laws of nature, and the laws of Spirit cannot be bypassed in this warring world and will in time seek their own retribution in ways impossible to foresee or predict. In the meantime, small men like Jess Bailey and all of the remaining petty actors will play out their miserable little parts beating their chests like jungle beasts. While they enjoy themselves, however, the life cycles of men, nations and even planets, indicate that nothing remains the same. Your plans will one day come to naught as imposed “solutions” against the aformentioned laws invariably do.
Thank you for this info.
This region has really suffered and will no doubt continue to suffer for a while yet, unless the people wake up to the realities.
If I understand you correctly, Albanians, Greek and Bulgarians are bad because they will take parts of the Republic of Macedonia, but at the same time Serbia is good, because she will also take a piece of Macedonia?! You hate (rightfully) some of them who will dismember your fatherland and take the pieces like vultures, but you simultaneously love the others who will also receive a part of your country………….and three of them are orthodox-christian nations?! I honestly don’t see that West needs any special effort to take completely over…….you don’t need enemies with such friends and brothers!
Boris, I don’t “hate” anyone, not Serbs, Albanians, Bulgars, Greeks, I am simply revealing the machinations that are behind the age old “strast” or covetous attitudes that are propulgated among the already existing desire among the four wolves – Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria and Greece, by the Euro Atlantic self styled “international community” led by the US/EU/NATO in regards to Macedonia. They are fanning the flames of already existing political and geostrategic goals of the aforementioned countries. Macedonia was always offered up as the prize in order to secure Serbian, Greek, Albanian and Bulgarian involvement in the geo-political games played by the so called great powers then and now. Nothing has changed.
If I was to fall to base emotions Serbs would be one of the first on my list due to the genocide of countless Macedonians once they arrived in Vardar Macedonia after its division in 1912/13 when – as my paternal grandfather used to tell, he was given the choice of being a liveing Serb or a dead Macedonian!
I have no love for Serbs – I was simply pointing out that I sympathise with their situation because they, like Macedonians who are being given the ultimatum of changing their name and identity to enter EU/NATO, have been told that they must recognise Kosovo before EU membership and like Macedonia, are pretending that that isnt the case. Instead of taking a stance, they are burying their heads in the sand and pretending that everything is all right.
Thank you Dimitar for your long honest report.
Ignore this “boris”.
I recall that this person trolled around last year in misc. Bosnia/Serbia threads – against Serbia.
Thank you, Martin. I dashed off my reply to Boris this morning in lieu of an appointment I had. Just to clarify, the tragedy is that although we, Serbs and Macedonians – are in the same boat, we cannot put our differences aside to form some sort of unified front against the same Goliath we both confront who is working to pack us off to oblivion, although the Macedonian case is far worse than Serbia’s in that it faces literal annihilation simply because it suits someone’s agenda.
Imagine for a moment if Serbia, Macedonia and Greece were to form a political, national and economic alliance that decided to forge its own path, independent of that prescribed by the so called Euro-Atlanticists??
Of course, such an alliance must predicate full recognition of the unique national/ethnic, cultural, religious, historic identities of the three nations. For example, Greece must give up its aspiration to claim the Macedonian name, recognise the Macedonian Orthodox Church and the Macedonian identity as unique, etc. Were each people to put aside their differences in order to forge a resistance against the common enemy there would be little chance of the destruction that has been sown to manifest! Such an alliance would have immediate support from Russia and China and would in due course, become a considerable regional and global factor. Most importantly, they would secure their own futures and fascist abominations such as Greater Albania would fade like dew in the morning sunlight!
If we consider that mankind is currently in the life-cycle known by Hindus as the Kali Yuga, or roughly translated, the Iron Age, such idealism is unreal to say the least. Our current cycle is one of darkness, destruction where in the end mankind’s hopes are turned toward the spiritual or inner worlds, as this one becomes increasingly uninhabitable.
The difficult part for me personally is that, we are led by the nose by our enemy who is increasingly bolder and more open in its activities seeing that the so-called elites are easily bought, that the people are easily manipulated over trivialities and – lo and behold, its agenda is, step by step, fulfilled.
I do not recall that TheSaker prescribed on his blog the precondition that in order to join the discussions one has to prove a priori unconditional and undying love and adoration for the Serbs. If it was so, believe me that I wouldn’t waste another second typing my views here with intention to please anybody or to lighten the mood of the spoiled brats. I am not payed to do this and I have (by the very fact that I live in the Balkans) strong invested interests in the developments there, contrary to you. At the same time, I have very little taste for the kinder-garden kind of „discussion“ typical for you – „If you say you love me, I tolerate you; if you dare criticise me, I hate you“. That is John McCain and Victoria Nuland type of mindset.
On the other side, Mr. Dimitar makes the impression of being a very eloquent, educated and intelligent person, fully capable of expressing his points and views, without the support of the self-appointed tutors.
I truly believe that the main culprit for the destruction of my homeland, SFRJ, are the Serbs led by the megalomaniac Slobodan Milosevic. All others, Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Kucan, Gligorov….are just the side effects, who would have never appeared on the scene without the enormous engagement of the Milosevic’s establishment, Serbian orthodox church and Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts. They wanted to destroy Yugoslavia and exchange her with Greater Serbia, exclusivelly reserved for Serbs only. Fully and unconditionally supported by the official Russia! Not an appealing prospect, I might add.
Mr. Dimitar’s dilemmas are also (in my oppinion) rooted and caused in/by the described „efforts“.
He said: „If I was to fall to base emotions Serbs would be one of the first on my list due to the genocide of countless Macedonians once they arrived in Vardar Macedonia after its division in 1912/13 when – as my paternal grandfather used to tell, he was given the choice of being a liveing Serb or a dead Macedonian!“
You see, my friend from Berlin (Germany), that the two ex-Yugoslavs fully agree, on the basis of their mutual experiences, and without your trolling!
Hello Boris, if the truth be stated I have met more Serbs that is, individuals that have respect for Macedonians – which is due no doubt, to our shared past as part of SFRY – than Albanians, Greeks or Bulgars which seem to be more beset with nationalism to the disadvantage of their individual humanity.
As such I am drawing a line between Serbian national policy and the Serbian people. If I recall, you are of Bosnian descent. I have met but one Bosnian and he was able to transcend his Muslim origins ( he was no longer Muslim ) and we had a wonderful mutual respect. Serbian genocide of Macedonians was policy early part of last century and still is many minds unfortunately.
Mr. Dimitar, I merely asked a few perfectly logical and legitimate questions and quoted some of your words, drawing in the process some conclusions. They are correct to me. If your impression was that my intention aimed at „winning you to my side“, I regret to inform you that it is not so. I loath „internett alliances“, such as this one being promoted between Russia and Serbia, but when the push comes to shove – many a „warrior“ finds some more pressing issues to attend. Maybe they need to kill a few more of their Prime Ministers, to „open the eyes“ of the broader public in Serbia.
In your sentence that I quoted, you didn’t say „some Serbs“ or „bad Serbs“ or „a few Serbian extremists“ – and yet you used the word „genocide“! Do you want to say that genocides expire after the first half of the 20th century? Or am I correct to conclude that „Serbs“ engage from time to time in genociding other peoples?
As for your experiences with muslims (small „m“, that’s correct writting) I am sure that you are capable of transcending the notion that a person must abandon his/her faith to be worthy of your respect. Specially when history teaches us that islam did it’s share of conquering, but never –ever genociding other religions. The proof are countless christians of hundreds of sects, jews, Sabeans, Yazidis and others still living in the „muslim world“. The same could not be said for the muslims in Spain or some other parts from where they’ve been eradicated „by the grace of God“.
You are correct, I am from Bosnia and Herzegovina and I am Bosniak.
Peace be unto you!
So this Boris is a muslim who wants to see the kind ottomans back to the Balkans and the muslims back to Spain! The Caliphate (ISIS).
pbuh.
My friend who was born Muslim later changed his religion, it does not matter to what. There are no intended aspersions on my behalf when I use the terminology “transcended” in regards to the faith he was born into, that was his inference in fact. He changed his religion for personal spiritual and not for political, cultural or familial reasons, which in my opinion, is correct, for the reason that he needed a change spiritually. People change their religions all the time.
Re: Serbian national doctrine/policy, I refer to the Serbian genocide of Macedonian population of Vardar region of Macedonia in the early part of the 20th century, as that is historical fact and cannot be changed. However, I do not transfer the blame for that policy to today’s Serbian people, who, on an individual basis, cannot be held accountable for something that occurred a century ago.
Therefore I respect the individual who is able to transcend their indoctrination, not the Serb, Macedonian, Bosnian or whoever who is loaded down with the passions of the mind. My comments were not aimed at slandering Serbs or anyone else for that matter, they were posted to reveal the truth re: Macedonia as its going down at this very moment as its relevant to G-din Korybko’s article. I digressed to the past, because the past is often necessary for perspective, but I have no agenda other than to share the truth about Macedonia in particular as the Macedonian state seems to have few friends.
This, in my view is due to the fact that at one time Macedonia was an empire, slowly shrinking over time as its been encroached upon by younger more fanatical nations and peoples who are in thrall of its historic treasures and have been availing themselves of the same for centuries. Of course, rather than admit their crimes which they themselves have become the effect of, they are sharpening their appetites and becoming ever more fanatical and absurd than ever in their demands, their insults and brazen vanity at Macedonia’s expense. Of course, this is the result of the new big kid on the block, the USA and the collective desire of the guilty to banquish the object of their collective guilt. Unfortunately, thats the Republic of Macedonia – it simply can no longer be left to exist because of the crimes committed against it.
“history teaches us that Islam did it’s share of conquering but never -ever genociding other religions”
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What about the Armenian genocide committed by Turkey?
Population of christian in Turkey in 1914 was 20%. Today it 0.2%.
This blog has featured Sheikh Imran Hossein very prominently, who spoke about an alliance between Islam (not ISIS) and christian orthodoxy.
Judging by your Serbophobic and Russophobic comments, I guess you missed those posts?
This comment is in the wrong place. I was replying to Boris.
My dear, to give you some idea of what I am talking about, I will quote the famous English historian and translator M. Marmaduke Pickthall: “In the eyes of history, religious toleration is the highest evidence of culture in a people. It was not until the Western nations broke away from their religious law that they became more tolerant, and it was only when the Muslims fell away from their religious law that they declined in tolerance and other evidences of the highest culture. Therefore the difference evident in that anecdote is not of manners only, but of religion. Tolerance was regarded as un-religious, if not irreligious. Before the coming of Al-Islam it had never been preached as an essential part of religion.”
I have already earlier expressed my feelings toward Turks on this blog. They are far from warm.
When dealing with „Armenian genocide“, one should give credit where it is due. The fact that a researcher of that topic gets a complete and unhindered access to each and every document kept in all of the Turkish archives, and that it is but impossible to see the documents in Armenian, British or French archives which deal with that subjects – speaks volumes for itself! There are also documents in Sankt Petersburg Archives about that „genocide“, but access is always denied! I wonder why!?
It is also possible to check the Library of the US Congress, where all the copies of microfilms of the Turkish documents are kept.
Now, having in mind that the Turkish archives in the period of november 1918 til september 1923 were under full controll of the British and French occuping forces, accusations of falsifying, destruction or shredding of documents (by the Turks) loose very much of their weight.
Nevertheless, one and a half million of Armenians were annihilated and I am affraid that we will wait much longer before somebody steps out and claims the responsibility.
You of all should be weary of expressing such accusations, having in mind that most of the world accuses Serbia of orchestrating the genocides in Croatia and Bosnia, which you energetically deny. Ms Florence Hartmann was convicted of contempt of court (ICTY) in 2009 for revealing in a book that the tribunal had withheld crucial information on the Srebrenica massacre of 1995 from the nearby international court of justice. Don’t you agree?
As St. Matthew said: „For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye?…“
In the broader context, I was talking about islam, not Turkey. Though, it is very arguable how much islamic was Turkey in the beginning of 20th century. If you can find not more then „Armenian genocide“ in the 1400 years of history, I believe it speakes on my behalf. Otherwise, there would have been hundreds of documented genocides during such a long period. Your very existence in Serbia and with your religion intact is my proof enough!
Oh, by the way, between the years 1821–1922, from the beginning of the Greek War of Independence to the end of the Ottoman Empire, five million muslims were driven from their lands and another five and one-half million died, some of them killed in wars, others perishing as refugees from starvation or disease. The prominent Serbian theorist of the socialist movement, leader and a publisher Dimitrije Tucović (1881-1914) said: „We have carried out the attempted premeditated murder of an entire nation. We were caught in that criminal act and have been obstructed. Now we have to suffer the punishment…. In the Balkan Wars, Serbia not only doubled its territory, but also its external enemies.“
Lev Trotzky reported extensively about the same developments.
The Serbs were „caught“ in 1992-1995., too.
It is not serbophobia on my part, my dear. My relation to the „serbian question“ is the same as my relation to the „elemental disaster“. One just does not hate tornados, hurricanes, floods…..a prudent one tries to prepare for them and takes measures to survive them.
@five million muslims were driven from their lands and another five and one-half million died
Really? Like Srebrenica? Bloody Greeks, bloody Serbs, what insolence to want to take their lands back!
Dear Andrew,
Thank you for your speech – very rousing. People can only help themselves and have to stand up against the tyranny of the US/NATO. Sadly they don’t have good leaders.
On another note looks like Belarus is playing up again – what is your view of this development of not wanting to help out the CSTO?
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160419/1038229199/belarus-armenia-russia-csto-nato.html
An aroused population, with Serbian working people at the forefront, is the only way to stymie the West’s attempt to make Serbia one of their vassals.
Russia’s rearmament is still an uncompleted process. It will be another 5 years or so before she has amassed the military strength to deter NATO from engaging in yet another power grab in eastern Europe. For now, maintaining their freedom largely falls to a vigilant Serbian population.
In order to have any resistance there has to be a threat. For me that is not “terrorism” but Nazism.
Living in a western country myself I don’t see the people around me having even a wif of a the Nazism problem/terror spreading arouind the globe, that was defeated in WWII remember!
The only leader that seems to see it is V. Putin and preparing to defend Russia from that threat.
I don’t see it as any countries duty to resque an other country. Every country has to do that for themselves and that is hard when individuality is snuffed out and all methods to do that reign free in all so called Western countries.
Being in Europe as a free thinking spirit is difficult and depressive at best. Europe is allready at war morally speaking. All Europeans are sick from top to bottom with personal pursuits of satisfaction and greed. Thinking that only “elites” are bitten by parasitism is just a easy way out of pointing fingers and taking no responsability.
If not realised and their is little chance of that, I don’t really see muchj hope for the Europeans but getting eaten by bigger parasites and the majority of people becoming very very poor and in the aftermath wondering why all this came to pass and never figuring it out.
Agree, almost completely. There is, however, the 3-5% segment of population that is on the
same level of awareness as you are. They keep mostly quiet , do not self-advertise at this
stage, but will offer support to any progressive movement when the time is ripe.
Regards, Spiral
Thats a great speech for a politician Mr Korybko.
Tell us How to do that, thats the hard part.
Air Serbia for one is clearly moving in the NATO direction going by their new theme song which “introduces its guests to the specific atmospheres, colours and moods of Serbia” with a track that is very indicative of these times, serving the lowest common musical denominator of Slavs meets West as you sip your tomato juice high above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN8Nivmu5DM&feature=youtu.be
Good news! It looks like Croatia will save Serbia:
Croatia Stalls Serbia’s EU negotiations: http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/croatia-stalls-serbia-s-negotiation-chapters-opening-04-07-2016-1
Maybe they can stall NATO accession talk as well?
The reason Croatia is stalling Serbia’s accession talks appears to be their concern over minority rights in Serbia. Croatia is famous for looking after its own minorities: Operation Storm single biggest instance of ethnic cleansing in Yugoslav wars. https://www.rt.com/op-edge/311687-junkyard-dogs-storm-croatia/
But seriously, Croats’ efforts in this instance are much appreciated.
W3 is not W2, Brothers…and being a long war it’s really mostly an economic conflict, the “trick” consisting of mitigating and deflecting, temporizing while Empire weakens both from its internal faults and moral poverty, and also from external factors – some of which will be purely economic, and other more nearly “5th Column”… The “solution” cannot be in Serbia but lies nearer the Potomac, or maybe Moscow…and it’s early days yet, outcome still open…Comrade President is still building his National and Slavic Consensus. Serbia figures there, but it’s still small.
(Was small in 1914, I will grant. Then the non-protean nature of Imperial strategies in response to Russian mobilisation (having to do with Serbia) led to stalemate and the Wall Street War with the US Expeditionary Force to France, etc etc…, but this ain’t 1914..)
I read someplace that, for Russian boys now, the quickest and most effective route to lifting skirts of Russian young ladies is to join the Russian Army. Maybe so. If so, then this is evidence that Comrade President’s Policy of gathering a consensus is working… The ladies decide these things, and Comrade President is a man that learns and keeps his oath… He’s being a much finer Marxist than the Soviets ever were. A perfection to observe! An improvement over the soviet structure is evolving, and kind of consensus-soviet. In this way all the people support and all the people are in everything together as a people. Time will tell us – the question of “after Putin” does come to mind…but it’s a great example…
Posters here have suggested the idea of suborning trouble in Mexico… Why Mexico? Why not Los Angeles? Three replies: 1) it’s illegal and a fella doesn’t profit by crime, 2) not necessary, going to happen naturally without any Russian “help”, 3) might not help anybody at all, might even backfire…. violence is often immoral, because you can’t predict the outcome, and because the innocent are injured, and also for other reasons, anyway let’s not propose violence, but paths to peace.
might be relevant posting here
“Movement Europe of Nations and Freedoms organized today April 16 in Sinaia, Romania, the international conference “Our Europe – a Europe of Nations”.
The event is part of a series of meetings organized in various European countries by members of the group “Europe of the Nations and Freedom” in the European Parliament with a view to initiate dialogue with representatives of political parties and civic groups that are interested promotion of national sovereignty and preserving traditional identity of European countries.
Some MEPs attending the event include: Marine Le Pen, president of the French National, Edouard Ferrand and Louis of Danne, also from France, Riccardo Molinari, deputy chairman of the Italian Northern League, Tomio Okamura and Radim Fiala from the Czech Republic, Marcel de Graaff from the Netherlands, according to a press release.
The event will be followed by a press conference by Ms Marine Le Pen and other guests. For Romania, the event organizer is Rebega Lawrence MEP, Vice-President Europe of the Nations group and Freedoms”
http://katehon.com/news/top-eurosceptics-gathered-romania
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We, at Katehon, view the world as being a global space in which there will always be permanent and distinct civilizations or “civilizational spheres.” These polylogue spheres of influence are not going to disappear in the near or even distant future, nor should they. We follow the realist school of international relations with its varying forms – e.g. defensive, offensive, neo, hyper – and so we are obliged to recognize the great diversity of values, traditions, interests and visions which exist among all of the world’s distinct civilizations. In particular, we are engaged in studying the following “great spaces” which comprise the majority of all world civilizations – North America, South (or Latin) America, Europe, Russia-Eurasia, China, India, the Islamic world, Africa, and the Pacific. We consider all of the preceding global-regional “poles” to be different civilizational entities, all possessing certain commonalities and yet also differences which should neither be ignored nor denied. This demands a new multipolar approach to studying each civilization and the many subtle distinctions that exist within them.
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Campaign against Euro-federalism
For independence, democracy, peace and jobs, and against the European Constitution and racism
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about a month ? ago I posted about a call for EU political groups to attend a conference that was going to stand up for something that seemed sensible-sighs, can’t remember, can anyone else?????
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You might find it here:
https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/left-manifestos-for-europe-diem25-democracy-in-europe-movement-2025-and-transforming-the-eu/
What applies to serbiaappliesmore to russia which along with China and India ,iran are the main targets for anglosaxon evil parasite empire.
Only that russia and othervuctims are so slow to understand and have letopportunity lapsed destroying Anglo empire
Donnas and syria was we’re thatenpire could have been defeated but for treachery of lavrov the traitor russia is always leVing frozen conflict to pester her on later .