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So, the two captives are quite different. One hapless chap, clearly saved by luck, the other a drunk who went for a bottle of vodka and didn’t know the militia from his own troops. Neither wants to be anywhere near war. Both will be sent to their mothers.
The other, the witness testifying to the facts that Ukraine flew against the MH 17, based on weapons spent that he knew were on the jet fighter-bomber and the talk of the pilot who indicated the plane was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Most interesting of all was how unthreatened all three were by the circumstances of being in the hands of the Russians and militia. Relief from the Ukrainian madhouse.
The question is how much longer and how many more young men will Ukraine offer on the altar of the Hegemon paying them to kill their own?
It will continue until the junta is deposed.
Apparently, this guy in both videos is the same man. One days later, according to Graham Phillips who explains, prisoners will say whatever they think helps them.
So, I apologize that I thought at first viewing they were two different men.
https://www.facebook.com/GrahamWPUK/posts/1433323506990614?pnref=story
Red Ryder…yes, and he was probably sent to the liquor store by his commander….
Kat Kan posted a link a few days ago in which a witness also mentions 3 fighters, 2 parachutes, etc. http://7mei.nl/2015/05/30/lev/
I saw a brief clip of this same witness within a couple days of the shootdown, but it showed him saying only that he had seen the piece of the Boeing while they were falling and that he had seen two chutes, only one of which opened– or only one of which seemed to have a person– I don’t remember exactly. The clip was very brief & I couldn’t understand why the reporter didn’t spend more time w him.
In Kat Kan’s link I am struck by the witness’s comment about the very strong almost nauseating perfume smell. It is quite possible that this is again a reference to a chemical spray that is used on cadavers to retard decomposition. There are at least two other references in my file to witness accounts which would tend to confirm that some of the passengers or cargo of the Boeing were already dead & decomposing. It is possible that the event was augmented in this way.
Penelope..this witness is being questioned by the RF…much more credentials and info than the other…it looks like this one if for real. but I wonder if it was on purpose…this shooting of the passenger liner…the flight commander ? did he know before it ? And also…those other two planes were ‘downed’…so sad…what a waste of men and ammo and planes….what a huge disgusting waste this has been.
Do you remember whereabouts you could see that video ? (like, western news/Russian news/just something off youtube?) There is presently an audio here talking about 2 bailed out pilots and one plane flying off http://rutube.ru/video/87f747d8863fc07c8abe77b24bb581aa/
(This guy on linked video is said to be at Grabovo–another person ?)
Interesting, in the first video the UAF prisoner seems to agree with the premise that we take on Ukrainians. After saying the Ukrainian unit and forces involved in the fighting he says “and also mercenary units of non-Russian nationality”.In effect saying that Ukrainians would be classed as of “Russian nationality” in the ethnic sense.And he needed to explain that the mercenary units weren’t part of that Russian nationality that the Ukrainians share with Novorossians. A true “Fruedian slip” for certain. It appears those from Poltava Oblast aren’t brainwashed enough to believe all the fascist nationalist propaganda.
The UAF soldier from first two videos was freed on 7th of June and now is paraded on Ukrainian tv telling how he was forced into confession.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvxBBS3sypk
Wasn’t this predictable before he was released?
I just shake my head when we release these prisoners.What incentive is there to not go fight. Go fight kill a few “Ruskies” maybe “separatist” civilians.Surrender and get taken prisoner,treated well and then get released to do it all again,a bad boy’s dream.Of course you might get unlucky and get killed.But for the many that don’t its a revolving door.In captivity one day,released the next.While those of our side get the dungeons of the SBU. Complete with torture,and maybe sliced off body parts, buried alive,or hung with your girl in the forest.It never ceases to amaze me that we allow that to happen.I can’t think of an army in the world that would not strike back over those actions of their enemies.The nazis in WW2 were scared to death of the thought of being captured on the Russian front.One of the reasons they ran at the first Russian breakthrough.Until there was nowhere to run to after Berlin fell.It appears today’s Donbass fighters should talk over tactics with their grandfathers and other vets from those days still alive.
well, that’s very interesting about MH17…at the end the questioner should have asked about whether the flight commander ordered the different ammo on the voloshin plane that day…was that plane always equipped with the different ammo…? or just that day ?
In one of the earliest reports, he said they rarely sent up those rockets (the R60) because they were old and leaked some of the propellant on every flight. This of course for training flights when they bring them back.
They are air to air missiles, not much good against ground targets.
thanks Saker for finding these very interesting videos…two Ukies that are noble souls. The former military air force guy..more so than the drunken soldier…but still….and the Novorussian interviewer was so kind in letting him call his mother. Nice.
I was wondering if the interrogator of the soldier in the 2nd video was Motorola. I’ve seen several videos of him talking and it sounded like it might have been his voice.
How interesting..yes, the interviewer seems like he’s battle wise….
The aircraft armourer in the 3rd video said the plane was in the wrong place. Earlier it had been reported, or I misunderstood, that he said it was the wrong plane. I earlier speculated that the 2 Su-25s shot down, of the 3 sent up in that area, had been accidentally shot down by the orcs by mistake. Hearing the man say that the pilot Voloshin (?spelling) had said the plane was in the wrong place has another possible connotation.
The armourer described the 3 Su-25s as going on a mission together, with Voloshin’s plane the only one armed with R60 AA missiles, the other 2 just ground attack weaponry. My guess is Voloshin was specifically tasked with shooting down the airliner, the other 2 Su-25s were to attack Novorussian ground targets, perhaps as a distraction or cover for Voloshin’s Su-25. Voloshin was given info on the airliner’s flight path so he could track it.
The Ukrainians, meanwhile, or the Americans through the Ukrainians, decided to order the airliner to change path closer to Novorussian owned territory and the fighting, probably in order to make the shooting down of the airliner better look like a Novorussian error or Russian “evilness” for their already planned propaganda campaign. In doing this, they didn’t inform Voloshin they were altering the airliner’s flight path and it was this that Voloshin meant when he said the airliner was in the wrong place. He expected it would follow its regular route that he was briefed on before the mission, but found the airliner following another route, possibly causing him trouble following or identifying the “right target” to shoot down.
Kat Kan earlier posted an interview with a Novorussian air spotter who described MH17 being shot down, the one Su-25 raising up towards the airliner, and the 2 other Su-25s getting shot down while attacking Novorussian territory. The Ukrainian aircraft armourer confirms what the air spotter said. The info both gives confirms the info the other said. Also, the Russian military soon after the shootdown released radar tracking (civilian air traffic control) of the airliner that showed a small aircraft quickly rise up under the airliner, so that is 3 sources confirming this information.
The air spotter was adamant that he heard 3 explosions, “bang, bang……bang”. The first 2 close together, the 3rd a little after. The first 2 could have been the R60 AA missiles fired by Voloshin’s Su-25. These probably killed the airline pilots, which would explain why no mayday call from them. The plane may not have looked damaged enough to the Ukies, so they fired a Buk, which could have been the source of the 3rd bang heard by the air spotter. This Buk then causing the airliner to break up right after. Or it could have planned to use the 2 R60s and a Buk to make sure the airliner was brought down over Novorussian territory. There was another witness who said they saw a SA missile launched from Ukie held territory which could have been the missile that destroyed the airliner’s air frame integrity.
A quite possible reconstruction of the facts.
Thanks, Bot Tak.