A few more links here, and amongst the many similar to yesterday’s, I decided to single out some possibly different ones:
NATO member will withdraw troops in event of war with Russia – president
Russia may not be poised to invade Ukraine – Pentagon
Germany has ‘betrayed’ Ukraine – Kiev mayor
No threat of immediate Russian attack on Ukraine – EU
Oleksiy Danilov informed about the results of the NSDC meeting
Zelensky to Ukrainians: Everything under control, no reason to panic
Ukraine urges calm, saying Russian invasion not imminent
Of course, this selection is very one-sided, there are many more headlines every bit as bad the ones yesterday, so let’s not make too much of this.
Also, please remember that in 08.08.08 Saakashvili made a speech promising peace to South Ossetia just HOURS before the Georgian forces attacked!
But what this does show, is that there is a “narrative chaos“.
Actually, this is just the tip of a much bigger iceberg. The fact is that Russia’s ultimatum has created chaos in the so-called “united West” pitting some part of the deep state elites against others. That, by itself, is already a very good outcome.
Another good outcome is the laughable idea to send a few thousand US troops to “defend Europe” within five days. Why is is laughable:
- a few thousand troops make no difference
- bringing them to the EU is not enough, you then have to prepare them and deploy them for combat; that would take much longer.
- If a Ukie attack is limited to the LDNR, it will take about 24 hours to stop it. It would take Russia less than a week to destroy the Ukie military. By the time the first US jarheads land in Germany or Poland, it will all be over.
- Finally, what does adding several thousands soldiers from a military which has never fought in defense of its homeland and never won a war since WWII do to “deter Russia” anyway?
Next, I have a strictly personal opinion about Russian forces in Cuba/Nicaragua/Venezuela/etc.
As Andrei Martyanov recently commented, western military moves are all about PR. Russian military moves are all about war. From a PR prospective, deploying Russian missiles in Cuba or Venezuela might look like a good idea, but from a military point of view?
Does anybody remember that the USSR had several brigades defending the Soviet missiles in Cuba? Why, because Cuba is as close to the USA as Estonia is to Russia, and that means that deploying forces right across the US border puts that force at a huge risk of US preemptive attack.
Next, while Cuba is the most stable of them all, it is a fact that thanks to decades of subversion, attacks, sabotage, coup attempts and the like, countries like Nicaragua or Venezuela are inherently unstable (again, by no fault of their own). Placing weapons like, say, the Iskander complexes there would not only expose them to attack, but even possibility to be captured. Some will say that Russia can send forces there to defend them. In theory – yes. But in practice?
Such a deployment would be both risky and very very expensive. Also, what if the US decides not to invade Cuba/Venezuela/Nicaragua but to blockade it. Does the Russian military have the means to breach a blockade many thousands of miles away from Russia? Nope, she does not. Neither her Navy nor her Aerospace forces have the means to engage in a struggle for naval/air superiority against the USA in the Caribbean.
It would be much safer, quicker and cheaper to use her submarines and long range aviation to threaten both US coasts, the one in the Atlantic and the one in the Pacific with cruise and ballistic missiles, including hypersonic ones. I won’t even mention the Poseidon underwater drones which could completely wipe out both US coasts.
Interestingly, the RAND corporation is posting articles which strongly suggest that the US and the West are deluding themselves about how war between Banderastan and Russia would look. Check these out:
U.S. Military Aid to Ukraine: A Silver Bullet?
Ukraine Needs Help Surviving Airstrikes, Not Just Killing Tanks
Okay, RAND is RAND, so they will never challenge the official narrative about Russia as the evil aggressor, but this shows, yet again, that there is some very serious disagreements inside the US ruling elites.
I will conclude today with 4 photos under the heading “one image is worth 1000 words”:
This is the Russian minister of defense:
These are Russian soldiers
This is the Ukie minister of defense:
This is, according the The Times, the soldiers civilians which will deter/defeat the Russians
Reach your own conclusions :-)
Andrei
PS: if you understand Russian, here is some good info on the woman created above.
I read about things like the UK landing in Ukraine with another 300 Javelins today.
Would Russia be tracking those Javelins to know where they end up being stored or deployed, so that if necessary Russia can destroy them with a missile strike?
Russians won’t target a single anti-tank weapon.
but they will destroy the entire battalions
But the LDNR forces will engage Ukie anti-tank positions as soon as they are detected
The US has provided the Ukrops with M141 Bunker Defeat Munitions. These are clearly not defensive weapons. They will be very useful when encountering Novorossian strongpoints.
Dear Arfur,
But to use them, they’d have to get there first, and as it has already been pointed out, the Russians have already taken that into account.
Something like Bren gun carriers in the Papua New Guinea battles.
I know. In extremis, the Russians will take out logistics and the LDNR will deal with the orcs. I meant to add that these are undeniably offensive weapons, meaning that the US is undeniably inciting an suicidal orc attack.
In other words, the US is inciting the deaths of the orcs. As somebody has already commented; death by cop, which could be considered actually murder. Interesting point, but never forget that virtually every dictator that the US supported the US also brought down, the most classic Ferdinand Marcos.
“virtually every dictator that the US supported the US also brought down, the most classic Ferdinand Marcos.”
Yes, Marcos Bad. That was the story I absorbed as a boy — the story of Imelda and her thousand pairs of shoes. Naturally I was surprised to hear Marcos now a hero in his home country.
18 Nov 2016 — The burial of former Philippines dictator Ferdinand Marcos in Heroes’ Cemetery prompts anger:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38022704
Another surprise; Marcos Jr now leading the presidential race in his home country.
17 Jan 2022 — With Ferdinand Marcos Jr. leading in the polls, victims of Marcos father’s regime fight to keep his name off list:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/17/world/asia/marcos-jr-philippines-presidential-election.html
As you say, a “most classic” CIA op: we create our own reality.
“never forget that virtually every dictator that the US supported the US also brought down, the most classic Ferdinand Marcos”
I lived in Manila for 9 months at the time of Marcos. I visited that city some 5 years ago. All I can say is that it has turned into a hovel. The wonderful shopping centre in their financial heartland, Makati, has become a place where impoverished people sell rubbish in the corridors. Very sad.
Please don’t believe everything you read over the years in the MSM. Fake news has been around for a long time. It is true that Marcos murdered senator Aquino on his return from the USA. Marcos was in due course replaced by the wife of Aquino and his son eventually. The same corrupt families that own most of the large sugar cane estates as 100 years ago control the country.
Dead men don’t fire weapons!
The Israelis do it to shipments of Iranian weapons to Syria and Lebanon all the time. Russia could do it and just say, we imitate Israel.
I assume Russia, in the event of a need to react to a Donbass offensive, will target rear-area logistics as well as front-line forces. That would eliminate the possibility of any reinforcements or resupply to the front.
Which means that the 200,000 pounds of weapons delivered the other day, wherever they are stored in Ukraine, will be blown up by Russian missiles, as well as all storage depots for tanks, armored vehicles, trucks, armories, whatever. I’m sure Russia’s on the ground intelligence network as well as aerial surveillance – what’s called “ISR” – knows exactly where every piece of Ukrainian equipment is stored. Hell, most of the storage depots were built during the Soviet Union so Russia probably has their exact coordinates on file at the MoD.
I expect if Russia has to react to a Ukraine offensive that they will aim for the complete destruction of Ukraine military capability. They may not take territory more than necessary, but I think they will aim to destroy the Ukraine military completely, at least in terms of its physical components, if not the troops. Why not?
Today, Jan 26, on ADS-B Exchange, I observed the track of a UK RAF Globemaster flying into Kiev from RAF Mildenhall. Another load of anti-tank weapons to use on the people in Donbas?
As I have written before, Europe has experienced two world wars being fought on it’s soil and there is no mood for a third world war, nuclear or conventional. How many European countries really want to fight Russia, Poland and the Baltic states excluded ? I think that even in the UK most would be against war. I also think that the rift within NATO is greater than reported, something that the Pentagon is certainly aware of. If war should break out in the Donbass, then NATO will fight to the last Ukrainian. The Ukrainian military might – theoretically – expect backup from NATO special forces, but those would be small in number. On this occasion the US will, more or less, be all alone, with most of the other members staying in the background.
I think that the vast majority of Europeans do not recall either WWII or, even less so, WWI
Also, they don’t get a choice when electing their so-called “representatives”
So the people of Europe have very little say.
And many of them do, indeed, hate Russia and everything Russian on a purely racist level.
That happens about once every century
Я думаю, что дело обстоит иначе – они все помнят и забыть, простить не могут того, что русские с завидным постоянством после вторжения в Россию утилизируют агрессоров как мусор. С завидным постоянством.
А это их же прадеды, деды, отцы , – с звидным постоянством отцов “раз в столетие”.
Бывает чаще чем “разок в столетие”, к примеру век ХХ – Японская, Первая мировая, Финляндская, Вторая мировая – Великая Отечественная война с реваншем во второй Японской, … Афганистан, Первая Чеченская.. и это не считая выполнения интернационального долга на просторах земного шара.
Мы, русские, Народ победитель-освободитель и боевого победного опыта в нас больше 20 веков.
Кого трансгендерная пиндосня с Гейропкой вдруг укусить собралась – неужто Русского медведя?
Самоубийцы, он давно заждался повода, чтобы опять на ноль врага-агрессора помножить – аннигилировать, атомизировать, “остекловать” болезных!
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I think that the situation is different – they will not remember and forget, they cannot forgive the fact that the Russians with enviable constancy after the invasion of Russia utilize the aggressors as garbage. With enviable constancy.
And this is their great-grandfather, grandfathers, fathers, – with the zvid constancy of fathers “Once in the century.”
It happens more often than “time in a century”, for example, the century of the twentieth century – Japanese, the first world, Finland, the Second World War, the Great Patriotic War with Revenge in the second Japanese, … Afghanistan, the first Chechen .. and this is not counting the implementation of international debt on the earth’s expanses Bowl.
We, Russians, the people of the winner-liberator and combat victory experience in us for more than 20 centuries.
Who transgender Pindosna with Geropsy suddenly bite gathered – Surely the Russian Bear?
Suicians, he has long been waiting for a reason, so that again on zero enemy-aggressor multiply – annihile, atomize, “glancing” of diseases!
Тачно тако! W/ell said.
You have lived to long in the US. We recall, dont U worry.
We in the Old Europa are fed up with the UK and the US.
Right, but the war starts in Europe, ends who knows where, and rebuilds from the BRI. That makes for a lot of islands out there to paddle between down the road.
Wars start(ed) all over the place, but please wonder, fomented by whom, from where? Since WWI the US is one hell of a major suspect.
http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/2008/09/1929-1930-crash-of-29-federal-reserve.html
Let me specify that, at least for Italian population, this is not the case. Yes, in the last years governments were almost appointed by the US dems, so there is nothing Italy can do; but the Italians, although they can drink the stories about Navalny, have respect for Russia and her strength, it is a heritage of the Italian communist party, that had 35% of votes and, up to the ’60, was truly supporting the URSS. Indeed a city in Russia is named Toljatti, from the name of the Italian communist leader. We remember very well the WWII, when Mussolini sent 50000 Italians to die in the snow to emulate his German friend.. we fought the T-38 with old artillery transported on mules (not joking). Nobody would like to repeat this mistake.
Lastly, I would remember that a former Italian prime minister, Berlusconi, despite his vices with girls and favoritism for his own interests, did very good deals with Gheddafi and Putin. Berlusconi fell in a sort of “soft coup d’etat” because of this collaboration, during the Obama years, and we all know how Gheddafi died, and how Maidan broke out short after. Unfortunately, Italy cannot decide its foreign politics, but population in general does not hate Russia.
Do you think it makes any difference whether the Italians love or hate Russia? If NATO jets take off from the Aviano airbase on north east, or if war ships sail out of Napoli military harbor to take it on Russia, both will become legitimate ( and likley) targets of Russia’s stand off weapons ( be it Kizhal, Kh -101, or Caliber misses, or any other long range misses. Just saying….
The same can be said about the Greek base at Souda Bay in Crete or the UK base at Akrotiri in Cyprus… notwithstanding their brotherly orthodox religious denomination they share with Russia, they both\would be destroyed within the first 10 min of a conflict ( if not sooner).
If anyone country harbors enemies of Russia , is likely to pay a very heavy price regardless of what the sheeple is feeling.
Indeed I specified that “Italy cannot decide its foreign politics”, and I mentioned Italian soldiers fighting Russia in WWII.. so I know very well that, if situation precipitates, Italy is a Nato member and will get its bitter drink with all the others. But what population feels does difference, the so-called internal front is as much important as the external one, lies and propaganda cannot change the reality forever. Otherwise it would also be pointless publishing articles to explain to the common readers the truth behind the mainstream narrative.
I think the majority of Europeans do not want war. As in the US, their leaders do not represent them and the media misrepresents and distorts everything. The propaganda is relentless and omnichannel. The majority of them just have not yet caught on to how badly they are being deceived.
Quick Question:
How much of that animosity do the Europeans have for Russians that isn’t actively fueled by the Western church which considers the eastern Orthodoxies (and Anglicans under the English Pretender and the North Protestants) as grave heresies that their version of the Christian God has condemned for destruction as well as making it clear that anyone who refuses or denies the ‘new’ Eucharist (the Trent one), shall “be anathema” or a polite way of saying death.
There are a lot of older folks in the West esp America that have been labouring under the sounds celestial horns, Second Coming dogma, Scofield Kabbala cults, etc that feel their lives work as Christian Zionists would be for naught if they didn’t see some sign of End Times if for no other reason as it would personally valid their lives’ work on Earth and provide good works to show our Lord and Saviour on Judgement Day.
America has always suppressed the importance and influence of a considerable revivalist tendency that deeply affected the American society in the 19th century esp The Second Great Awakening and William Miller which managed to essentially to empty entire Midwest states.
Irrational US recklessness on the rather emply Ukraine file all smells like spiritual panic.
The Saker
Yes, the people of Europe don’t get a choice in electing their “representatives”, and they have very little say when it comes to foreign policy. And yes, the racist factor is very much present when it comes to Russia, promoted by a number of entities, the media being one of them. However, when it comes to WWI and WWII, Europeans are very much aware of them even if the majority never experienced them. Since I live in Europe, I should know. As I said, there is no mood for WWIII. How many Europeans really want to die for the sake of actor Zelensky and his corrupt Ukraine ?
Dear Saker,
I have read on several occasions that people in the west hate Russia / the Russians. Now, I may be blind (not really though, John the Blind is an important historical figure in my home country), but at least as far as I am aware, people dread the prospect of war vs Russia, and would very much like to be left to their own devices.
We have traditional animosities vs our immediate neighbors, but there is no large scale hatred vs any nation. Only a strong annoyance vs the indispensable one.
My question here would be, what gives people this idea of widespread hostility among the EU common people in regards to Russia? Certainly, our elected officials stampede each other over their eagerness to please our overlord, but the rest of us? I doubt it. Any elucidation on this would be highly appreciated :)
As a Serb who spent around a decade each in the UK, USA and Canada
I must say I have never seen any hate towards Russia – in neither of the above countries or anywhere really. Especially not in Serbia where most people love and respect Russia.
I only see it published on western zio ‘news’
Like UK Novichok hallucinatory fairy tale – it’s a pure fabrication of jewish media, jewish controlled Pedowood etc…and of course the traitors they control and bribe like that obese jewish clown Boris and other corrupt sellout members of his democidal government.
As a southern European, my impression is that in Europe there are no less than 30 different points of view (often favourable and almost never really viscerally hostile to Russia). Just as I don’t think there is a single point of view even within the US front.
Also, after 48 hours the impression is that a lot of what we have seen is also related to the situation in the markets: there has been a major crash, as well as an attack on bitcoin.
There is a crucial Federal Reserve meeting coming up. If interest rates are raised the consequences for the euro (and Europe) could have a major impact, no less than that caused by the outbreak of kinetic hostilities in Ukraine.
We will understand more shortly.
This was a report last night on SKY,two British retarded fascists in Eastern Ukraine, if it kicks off i really hope these clowns don’t get out in one piece,and for their sake i hope the Donbass fighters don’t take them alive.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-the-britons-fighting-in-the-trenches-against-russians-after-starting-new-lives-12524652
Dear Englishman,
I have seen this type of article before on a couple of occasions. It is simply cover for a couple of ‘Intel’ operatives who seem to lack any real intelligence, but at least we now know what they look like for identification purposes.
The UK has flown 150 Special Forces into Kramartorsk, supposedly for training purposes. I didn’t know the UK could spare that many, what with all those training takfiris in al Tanf, etc. Given that number, they are either giving personal training or are there for other purposes.
Thats possible,another thing is all those reports from the tame media never come from the other side in Donbass,they are not news stations they are propaganda outlets,they ahve been liars for so long they have started to believe their own BS,i have seen the same from their Syria reports,lie after lie,problem is enough of the cattle believe it,they really are working from the Goebbels playbook.
One of them is down Mariupol way. Isn’t that where Azov hangs out – the most rabid Russophobic neo-nazis of the neo-nazis? I wonder what the British survivors of WWII would make of that, especially those who worked the Murmansk supply route.
One large pile of bovine scatology, pure and simple. The fat one looks very familiar, I think he used to live in Sevastopol and ran like a scalded moose after Russian Spring, means he could not pass a background check. Neither one of those two clowns is a soldier and the area they were filmed in is not active from the looks of it.
Auslander
Most Baltic grown men work somewhere in the richer countries of the E.U. All I run into keep telling me that they’d like to get back under Russian governing power. Not even one I spoke to seemed in the slightest anti-Russian. ???
In fact, there is narrative chaos. The backstage of Western power is boiling. And this image of “Mariana Zhaglo, marketing researcher and mother of three, at home in Kiev” shows the immorality, dishonesty and imprecision of the Empire. That’s it
pathetic. They lost their grip, lost track. Unfortunately, many Americans believe this.
Shocking and surprising Roger Waters interview for RT. He was brave, and he threw it into the fan.
He talked about Germany, he talked about Assange. It would be nice if this interview could be published here on the blog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HSOWftc8Jc&t=456s&ab_channel=RT
https://youtu.be/8HSOWftc8Jc
Wait for “military technical measures”, and it’s good to see Ukraine show dissatisfaction with the US. And Roger Waters is a good man. A friend has been with Roger personally, and he really is a simple and selfless person. This interview is relevant.
“They lost their grip, lost track. Unfortunately, many Americans believe this.”
Do not worry about that. Who cares what many Americans believe? Those “beliefs” are artificial, product of indoctrination, not real. Not build up by experience. In fact, experience screams, in Americans inner ear, they’ve been lied for the whole life.
False beliefs are quickly dispersed when primal emotions kicks in. Like in life threatening situation. Like in war. Americans never experienced war horrors at home due to lucky geographical position in space and even luckier historical opportunity in time. None of that matters today.
War that Anglos delusional elite is cooking WILL hit them. Hard. When their overseas army is decimated and chased back home, Russians will be the least problem for Western warmongers. US is multi-racial, multi-confessional, armed to the teeth population. With historical record in wage gap. With the largest prison population. Recently sharply divided on many social levels. What do you think will happen?
With US off the map, their “allies” will follow in no time. Good luck.
good approach. Yes, clearly American civilization has an irresolvable conflict. This malaise is also creating the danger of atomic war. Perhaps middle-aged people will watch the US fragment and the European community end. England took the first step. And I keep thinking, maybe even Germany could experience fragmentation in the long run. Within Germany there are 2 Germanys:
1- Germany with artificial modernity
2- Conservative Christian Germany (like the “fired” commander of the German navy – Schonbach, which Waters says in the interview).
The NATO alliance is shredding under the pressure Putin is putting forth.
Germany, Croatia, Norway, Finland, Sweden will not participate against Russia.
Certainly, if shots are fired, others will join them.
Article 5 is written on toilet paper.
Does anyone think Turkey will join in? Erdogan will be found tied to a pole in Kurdistan.
What we are watching is Putin has NATO and the US in a pressure hold, bending an elbow behind their back, twisting it up higher and higher until they surrender.
He will let them keep their Kiev puppets, but he wants the Ukie military out of the East and South. He wants a confederacy, not a unitary state of Ukraine. He wants the NATO and US out of Ukraine.
And he’s doing this with pressure not bullets.
If bullets fly, Kiev will fall. The chances are bullets won’t fly.
So, the EU will own Ukraine, all that is beyond Novorossiya. The US will have its puppet in Kiev.
Russia will have its sphere of neutral turf.
NATO will break. Missiles in Romania and intended for Poland will be removed.
@Larchmonter
No matter if Donbass gains autonomous status, it’s essential that the western Ukraine doesn’t join NATO. That’d allow the US to deploy missiles there. I believe that Russia’s motive is to stop any part of Ukraine from falling into the NATO’s hands.
Very correct assessment.. if US missiles and armored divisions are dislocated to Kiev or western Ukraine, then Russia will hardly be better off in terms of strategic depth than it is now with the missiles in Poland and Romania. Russians know all to well that is only o matter of time before US will catch up on the hyper-sonic missile technology. Having that kind of stuff anywhere on the current Ukrainian territory is anathema to them. How are they going to solve this puzzle is anyone’s guess. They can take south east Ukraine but how do you keep NATO out of central and west Ukraine?
This is exactly how I see the situation (except for the existence of missiles in Romania intended for Poland, of which I was not aware). Sometimes, I even overreact in excitement with the prospect of a fast end to the mess the US created in the world. I hope we are right.
unanimity is when everyone agrees and consensus is when no one disagrees. The NATO charter requires consensus, obviously those NATO members you mention will be joined by many others at the first whiff of grapeshot.
“He will let them keep their Kiev puppets, but he wants the Ukie military out of the East and South. ”
Well said. But, it is not enough. The NATO threat must be eliminated once for ever. Not only NATO infrastructure in Ukraine, not even only in Romania and Poland, but NATO must be dissolved. I believe this is Russia’s goal now.
You’re obviously right about installing Russian state of the art weapons in Cuba and Venezuela.
But US is so arrogantly stupid that it doesn’t realize and refuses to realize that much of those weapons can attack and take them out from wherever they are anyway. So it seems that Russia as one of the measures to be taken have to bring the threat closer to them.
I also think so. Russia must not only put a realistic threat to NATO/US, but must also DEMONSTRATE her power so people see it and start fearing. This fear will shut down NATO.
Looking at pic four, lady has weapons training out side of market research. Hand positions give it away. She looks so relaxed, not her first encounter with automatic rifles.
Otoh, the Russian Minister of Defense looks like he’s about to pee all over someone’s cornflakes, and I’m sure he has the balls to do it.
Look, to keep your finger off the trigger is something you learn just by watching Hollywood movies.
and, again, even if she has some weapons training, small arms fire will not play a significant role if a war breaks out
Watch a Hollywood movie, for proper weapons training……I hope you are joking; see Alec Baldwin, otherwise you just explained the entire US mindset……it’s all a movie set. No wonder so many people in to he US get shot…..some even accidently, by their own pets…
Cheers M
keep kitty away
from the revolver, and the
dog from the AK-G
The Russian MFA has even come out to refute this photo:
https://tass.com/world/1393057
“…Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Tuesday said the Times misrepresented a member of Ukraine’s territorial defense forces as an ordinary citizen when the newspaper published a photo of her holding a rifle.
Zakharova referred to a story by the British newspaper the Times that said the woman, who was photographed holding a Z-15 rifle and identified as an ordinary citizen that was ready to repeal Russian aggression.
Mariana Zhaglo is in fact a member of Ukraine’s territorial defense forces, Zakharova said on Telegram. Her uniform is British, Zakharova said….”
Watch as Russia disassembles NATO solidarity without firing a shot.
Absolutely incredible brinkmanship and maneuvering going on here on the Russian side.
The cracks in NATO are showing (and visibly growing).
In other news, the US refused all Russian demands:
https://www.rt.com/russia/547285-us-stays-firm-ukraine-deal/
“…security proposals we have heard from Moscow that are simply non-starters for the United States”
So much for diplomacy.
This isn’t surprising; the USA doesn’t do diplomacy.
I wouldn’t be so hasty to conclude that the USA has *privately* rejected all of Moscow’s security proposals — there’s no doubt a certain degree of bravado and face-saving involved in the public statements, after all.
Of course we don’t yet have a way of knowing one way or another.
careful, that is RT clickbait. Look at the subtitle:
“Any agreements between Moscow and Washington must be of mutual benefit, says the State Department ”
much more balanced.
again
RT sucks and RT does shameless clickbaiting
Sorry, but that is how I see them
Yes, absolutely. Right now there’s a headline that reads “NATO member will withdraw troops in event of war with Russia – president.” Which NATO member, which president? In a news source geared toward the Anglo world one would assume the president in question is Biden, but no, it’s Croatia and her president.
I can appreciate somewhat the bind RT is in: in order to aspire to a large readership, it has to pander. That makes the pandering no less distasteful, of course. I’ll give RT some credit for at least taking the WFC garbage, the stories about the nutcase who “marries” inflatable dolls, and *most* of the stories involving porn stars off the main page when it did its recent redesign. Ditching OpenWeb for the slightly less bad Disqus was also a good thing, sort of. But there’s still the constant reek of clickbait headlines and tabloid-style “news,” and the comment section is, well, a free-for-all with some worthwhile remarks drowning in a lot of sewage.
All of which makes me appreciate sites like this all the more.
Croatia is the one who wont joint the theatre of war.
The website is probably crappy, sure… but there are some ok stories on their youtube page.
Their target audience are Americans/pro-NATO nations with the purpose of bringing them to the pro-Russian side. With that said, I only watch for the shade they throw at Joe “Stupid son of a B—-” Biden.
Russia’s proposals are already designed to be of mutual benefit.
They put the same constraints and controls on both US/NATO and `Russia.
They already comply with the US stated requirements.
If you look at it Russia is demanding 2 things.
1) The West sign up to the agreements it has already signed up to — but really do it in public this time to make it harder to weasel out of them later. (They will of course but by then the correlation of forces will have changed so much that it won’t matter very much.)
2. That everybody start operating on the principle that security is mutual and understand that if you feel insecure I will be insecure too. (And, Washington, it really doesn’t matter whether you think the other guy is justified or not — NATO is defensive baaaaah baaaah — his feeling is real to him and he will act on it.)
Also demanding
3. US withdraw nukes from foreign bases (and promising Russia will never station them outside Russia) and no more NATO expansion.
Actually, a pretty good deal for everybody (NATOX has already given us 2 wars, does anyone really want a third and much bigger one?)
But they are of mutable benefit?
Better security for all and the peace is perserved.
RT does suck, but the public response from the US is not encouraging. On the contrary, it’s the worst response possible.
I would welcome if RT split its content in two: one pure news site, and one pure editorial comment site.
Yeah, but look at what was considered “balanced” – vague comments about “troop movements” and “missiles”. But they also emphasized there will be no banning of Ukraine from NATO – despite the fact that as Anatole Levien pointed out, Ukraine is never going to enter NATO anyway for a host of reasons. And that in itself shows they’re still fixated on Ukraine, rather than the real NATO expansion – which they will also refuse.
Also, we know what “mutual benefit” means for Washington… I think the RT piece is correct in its essence. The US will refuse all security guarantees Russia wants. Any “concessions” made will be minimal to non-existent.
This is logical. The western elites believe in their superiority in every sense (militarily, economically, culturally even erotically).
It is an European dream. To smash Russia once for all and thrive on stolen natural resources.
RE: Posted by: 10 to 1 | Jan 25 2022 16:04 utc | 21
“why would the US push the narrative of Russia is going to invade, if the Russian’s aren’t? “
Some reasons can be found in Posted by: NotEuclid | Jan 25 2022 16:42 utc | 29 below
to which you can add
Coup of 2014 where “The United States of America” gained an albatross and the Russian Federation a new member.
Attempted “colour revolution” in Belarus.
Attempted “colour revolution” in Kazakhstan.
And many other reasons the understanding of which will be held in reserve to add to your speculations.
There was a conversation in Chechya in 2000 which proceeded roughly as follows.
We need to know where they are, and what they are doing, even if they are in the shit house.
The response was roughly
Since we’ll be in the shit house, why don’t we take a sample to know what is in their diet.
Propaganda on Canadian TV, this morning is all about “the Russian invasion is just about to begin”. Just like it was before Iraq or Yugoslavia wars. The only way of keeping one’s sanity is to turn the TV off. The feeling they create is as if shooting started already, but no footage from the front lines. Only lots of soldiers with weapons, and they could be from anywhere – they all look the same to me.
On health front, British Columbia, which is Canada, declared that Covid is no more pandemic, it will be in the same category as common cold. Few months ago Norway declared the same thing, and few days ago, Ireland did the same. UK is about to lift up all restrictions, rumor has it. There are cracks appearing in unified Covid front.
There are no shortages of food yet, big ones, in grocery stores, but there are worrying signs. It used to be everything was available at all times. Now, every tie you go shopping for groceries, one or two items will be unavailable. It is understandable – Canada (federales) and US are competing who would damage supply chain more – both not allowing unvaccinated truck drivers to cross the border in either direction. Go figure.
There’s thousands of Canadian truckers on their way the protest in Kiev North, they are being joined by US truckers, soup kitchens wo-maned by Hutterites are being set up to feed them along the route. Contrast that with the lack of Europeans flooding the streets to greet NATO liberators……if the shooting don’t start before those truckers reach Kiev North, Mr Nanoparticles may have to leave town……
Cheers M
Go fund me has witheld 4m raised for truckers. Aint that a cute big corp political move
Go Fund Me just greatly hampered their business by playing that game. Alternatives will emerge shortly.
do you have a citation I just checked go fund me , and you can still donate and they have raised over 5 million dollars.
@ zidar
Even on “left-leaning” website like Rabble, they spew the same propaganda line as the CBC and other mainstream media outlets. It makes me sick having to point to to everyone that we (Canada/NATO) are actually invading the Ukraine (and have been doing so since at least 2014) and not Russia.
As for the truckers, that looks like it has less to do about public/trucker health and vaccines and more likely a ploy get around election financing laws.
@Zidar. I think the German regime is disrupting also gas supply by holding up NS2 license. The idea is to subdue the sheeple even further. Preparation for Con-B3 when, according to Herr Klaus Schwab, “you will own nothing and be happy” (or else! Ve haf vays to make you happy).
“The hungry sheep look up and are not fed” — Dante, Paradiso
RE: Posted by: 10 to 1 | Jan 25 2022 16:04 utc | 21
“why would the US push the narrative of Russia is going to invade, if the Russian’s aren’t? “
Some reasons can be found in Posted by: NotEuclid | Jan 25 2022 16:42 utc | 29 below
to which you can add
Coup of 2014 where “The United States of America” gained an albatross and the Russian Federation a new member.
Attempted “colour revolution” in Belarus.
Attempted “colour revolution” in Kazakhstan.
And many other reasons the understanding of which will be held in reserve to add to your speculations.
There was a conversation in Chechnya in 2000 which proceeded roughly as follows.
We need to know where they are, and what they are doing, even if they are in the shit house.
The response was roughly
Since we’ll be in the shit house, why don’t we take a sample to know what is in their diet.
You’re absolutely right that there’s no strategic value for Russia in placing forces in Latin America, especially when the more lucid of us know that a few Russian submarines in international waters just beyond DC and NYC would be more effective and more cost-effective.
If the Sino-Nicaraguan plan to build a successor to the Panama Canal becomes reality, China may see it fit to put some troops in Nicaragua in a defensive capacity, but that wouldn’t involve Russia.
Yeah, I suggest that the RF subs stick to the Atlantic and the Gulf. We are friendly enough on the west coast to allow us to try to survive. We could form a Ring of Fire Union with the RF, China, BC, Mexico, and right on down to Chile. I don’t think that Alaska would object all that much.
IIRC, that Nicaragua canal project is dead. The main backer from Hong Kong have shutdown their offices after the Great Financial Crisis of 2008.
There’s been renewed talk of the canal project following Ortega’s recent electoral victory. Whether this talk results in a realizable project is, of course, another matter, but reports of the project’s death may be premature.
@ Saker
“I will conclude today with 4 photos under the heading “one image is worth 1000 words”:”
…And they are worth a good laugh. Thanks for the visual, from Shoigu “don’t mess with me” face, to the laughable “minister of defense” of 404, and the 404 “patriots” who would die for the Ukronazi “motherland?”
Whoever said that “owning a handgun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.”? I can see where the quote came from.
Lone Wolf
LOL!!
As both a (trained) gun owner and guitarist, I fully concur :-))
“Whoever said that “owning a handgun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.”? I can see where the quote came from.”
I think this quote comes from Col. Jeff Cooper.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
During the course of training it is often said that you have to do an activity about 10,000 times before you start to become proficient and after that you still have to train regularly to maintain any level of proficiency you might have. You know your training level is approaching a proficient level when it becomes reflexive and you don’t need to think, you just do.
That being said using civilians or soldiers untrained for a particular mission is almost useless against a well trained and disciplined force.
That’s why I laugh at the idea of NATO sending 50,000 troops or whatever. What kind of training do these troops have? Are they medical brigades? Aviation?
The U.S. hasn’t trained like exercise campaign Reforger since the early 90’s. Russia does the Zapad exercises regularly. This creates certain advantages for Russia.
I also think Russia understands 21st century warfare better. NATO looks like it is stuck in the 20th century. Much practice creates the conditions for evolution.
Yankees refuse all Russian demands.
US says it will refuse all security concessions proposed by Russia
Any agreements between Moscow and Washington must be of mutual benefit, says the State Department
https://www.rt.com/russia/547285-us-stays-firm-ukraine-deal/
No surprise at all of course they will never capitulate without fighting.I hope Russia did not expect anything from them?
Russia never had any expectations that any agreement would be made. Negotiations rarely conclude on the first attempt.
The reason for the slight change in narrative is that all this fear is effecting the Ukraine economy.
No one wants to lend to a country that everyone is saying won’t exist soon, so they have been forced to tone it down slightly.
Nothing has changed
Except for Canada. They just agreed to “lend” the ukro-nazi 200 millions dollars. (In addition to the 200 millions in 2016-17, and all other loans). Just a “loan” of course, no need to seek the more complex authorization required for a grant.
https://news.yahoo.com/canada-lend-200-million-strife-torn-ukraine-203208084.html
Hypocrisie at its best.
A loan that will never be repaid.
Cheapskates: The UK has already ‘loaned’ £1.3 billion. The workers in the UK put out of work by the lockdowns can just get stuffed.
I imagine 10% will make its way back to the UK to pay for the weapons, and 90% will disappear into the pockets of the Ukraine oligarchs.
Are you kidding me?
That money should be spent in Canada, not to pander to the deputy premier’s grandma!
Russia may have to acquiesce when the U.S. Army deploys its latest tactical weapon to Ukraine.
See: https://twitter.com/i/status/1482843184493473793 .
This brave, formidable all-inclusive fighting force has been kept under wraps until now. It will be a juggernaut and sweep over the battlefield and claim victory for sleepy Joe and the rest of his Washington kakistocracy.
The armed forces of the Russian Federation will know they are doomed, Shoigu will have to resign and Putin will leave office. The State Duma will go into mourning (or maybe laughter, you decide).
US warriors on land are more cowardly than mice!
Name me one ground operation other than
– National-fascists who surrendered to you without a fight in 1944 (and all your losses from illnesses, fights and due to inept handling of weapons). You didn’t even disarm the captured Germans, didn’t disband!
– the Iraqi army bribed by you in advance, which fled before the shelling:
– Shameful for you Vietnam (in Korea you did not go to the ground) and flight.
Where did you send someone, marauders?
To bomb civilians – yes, but to fight – no, you are afraid to die on the battlefield, cowards !!!
Worth pointing out that the Russians are dancing the male part of the North Caucasian Lezginka. The girls join in with graceful movements. Nothing epicine or cowardly about North Caucasian Mountaineers. Quite different from jumping around to pop songs.
Another warrior dance. No wussies here either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmjmEdiEX_4
They have never met the 13 total female spetsnaz, I’m sure the female army would just tiktok about their experiences against clearly superior soldiers. ))
Biden says
The Biden administration is preparing contingency plans in case Russia cuts off its energy exports to Europe in the event of an invasion of the Ukraine
The move is part of President Joe Biden’s reassurance to European allies he will not let Vladimir Putin freeze them out this winter
U.S. is working with energy producers in Middle East, Asia and North Africa to ensure Europe has enough supplies in case Russia cuts off availability
European allies are worried that Putin would cut off their supply chain in retalation for any economic sanctions the U.S. has vowed
U.S. promising harsh sanctions if Russian invades Ukraine
‘The gradualism of the past is out. And this time, we’ll start at the top of the escalation ladder and stay there,’ a senior administration official said
The United States is also threatening to impose a novel export control to deprive Russia of key tech components
The administration will hold two classified congressional briefings on Tuesday
Meetings will update congressional leadership aides and committee staff on the deteriorating situation in Ukraine, according to a new report
With Congress out of session this week, members of the House and Senate will have to wait until next week to work on getting their own briefings .
Not clear to me….should Russia not agree to not publish the reply….Blinken will not give a written reply?
Presumably the issues of further Russian diplomats due on 31 Jan and all the other outstanding diplomatic issues eg properties…legal cases against USA… are kind of secondary or lower priorities…but still may take place?
This guy beginning to sound a bit desparate?
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba warned against world leaders making deals ‘behind Ukraine’s back’ as threats of a Russian invasion escalate
‘If anyone makes a concession on Ukraine behind Ukraine’s back, first, we will not accept that,’ Kuleba told CNN on Tuesday
‘We paid a lot, including 15,000 lives of our citizens, to secure the right to decide our own future… and we will not allow anyone to impose any concessions on us’
Goldman Sachs commodity analyst Samantha Dart expanded more on the supply side story and told clients Sunday, “should further tensions between Russia and Ukraine escalate, the initial uncertainty around its impact on gas flows would likely lead the market to once again add a significant risk premium to European gas prices.”
Dart explained if “current tightness in European gas balances” persisted and “existing gas flows from Russia” were blocked, “we wouldn’t rule out in this scenario the market briefly revisiting the 180 EUR/MWh high observed in mid-December – or even higher levels – while flow impacts are assessed.”
She also outlined a “potential risk” if escalating tensions over Ukraine result in sanctions against Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline to Germany, which would delay the certification of the pipeline even more and cause continued tightness in European markets.
There’s also a risk, “tightness in European gas markets to linger for another three years,” Dart warned .
rt.com
The US will not make any concessions to Russia on potential security guarantees, and the only possible way to make bilateral agreements will be mutual steps to benefit both nations, the US State Department said on Monday.
Talking to gathered journalists at a press briefing, State Department spokesman Ned Price also added that Washington would consult closely with its partners, including Ukraine, before making deals with Moscow.
As we know idiot USA keeps on re-trying its continually faiing game plans believing they might succeed eventually…..any risk of Nato ships letting off a barrage of cruise missiles again in the direction of Syria? I note Russia and SAA planes were jointly patrolling Golan Heights recently- a message to IDF?
”U.S. is working with energy producers in Middle East, Asia and North Africa to ensure Europe has enough supplies in case Russia cuts off availability”…
This will simply not happen as no necessary capacities in term of nr of vessels and infra exist in Europe first of all, and if these capacities are diverted from let’s say…China, China will of course retaliate, what about taking over Taiwan finaly just after the Olympics, Taiwan is China anyway like Crimea?
“The United States is also threatening to impose a novel export control to deprive Russia of key tech components.”
I read that also this morning and it sounds like a hollow bluff. Is there really any key tech that Russia can’t get from China? The US seems determined to create an ever tighter Russia-China alliance, likely leading to a formal defense alliance. Maybe such brilliant “strategery” by US “intelligence” is a product of presidential dementia? It will be quite interesting to see new developments following the upcoming winter Olympics.
Another misinformation by just repeating without a modicum of research. The Jamal-Pipeline has been in reverse mode for 36 days already. Germany is selling its gas to Poland (which gov in its usual completely braindead russiophobia has vowed that it would be completely free from Russian gas in about a year).
German energy corps are laughing their asses off by selling cheap Russian gas to them for the current spotmarket prices. Meanwhile they are increasing the prices for the consumer in germany to double profit.
So whatever Biden said is retarded, because Germany is already receiving no gas from russia because it has not booked volume and is letting the tanks run dry.
Also meaning the whole event is pre-planned and will result in cutting off Europe from Russia economically, which is the wet dream for our transatlantic friends.
As a once “proud” east german I am sick to the stomach.
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker
The US 82nd Airborne might preemptively take over Kiev thus provoke/trigger a Russian invasion all the way to the Dniepr river.
Quoting an ex military from the 82nd Airborne:
“Sending in the 82nd out of Fort Bragg, means all of JFK Special Warfare is going as well. The 82nd, combined with Special Operations, has very unique capabilities…it is the only force in the free world, that is capable of securing international airports and capital cities (in 18 hours or less), because the unit is completely self contained…it brings rangers, snipers, path finders, special forces, and air droppable artillery, tanks, armor, and most of all…
…ah-64 apache’s, ac-130 gunships, full compliment of air force tactical air control teams, which means…
B-52, B-2, F-35, F-22, F15 strategic air strike capability (carpet bombardments)…and fully nuclear biological chemical capable operations…
this is the doom glp has been waiting for…unless russia backs down (and i doubt putin will before trying to see how far he can push the boundaries)…then it is highly likely there is going to be mass B-52 carpet bombs across the entire swath of armored units and infantry sitting just across the border…it will be same mission statement as in the Desert Storm Operations of 1991…we will focus on utterly destroying all capability of armored and air assets of the opposing force from ever being a threat, ever again…”
Nothing of this will happen, there will be zero war except mil technical reaction in RTP in case of ukrop false flag only in the Donbass.
Nonsense. The 82 is light infantry to begin with. Second, you assume that the airspace will be open. I also remind you that none of the above made ANY difference in ANY US war, which all these forces and aircraft participated it. Got their asses handed to them every time.
Please don’t post such nonsense on this blog. What you posted is pure bull, from the first letter to the last.
Nobody is arguing about Russian capabilities to decimate the enemy, but i have a sense we might see a WW2 Poland-style partition scenario for Ukraine since Boris Johnson has warned Russia will take over Kiev, that implies perhaps that is they (Nato) who might preemptively “secure” Kiev and provoke a Russian response.
History repeats.
dave, your Clancy/Hollywood has not been well received, to say the least.
Rule #1 for you is this: do not write about stuff you have exactly ZERO understanding of.
so, you either stop that crap or I ban you.
McConnell in KY says he’s spoken to the White House about Russia/Ukraine and says “the administration is moving in the right direction” in terms of their response.
“They’re prepared to take steps before an incursion and not afterwards.”
My previous comment is a tweet from Julie Tsirkin @JulieNBCNews.
Maybe i am wrong, but i am expecting US 82nd Airborne to preemptively secure Kiev just like Russians did with Pristina Airport (which was a huge surprise!) in 1999 when Nato invaded Serbia/Kosovo.
Despite Yeltsin, Russia did the same thing when they captured Pristina Airport in 1999 when Nato invaded Serbia/Kosovo.
dave, dave, dave. By the time the USA could mobilize its 82nd Airborne and get it off the ground, Russia could have destroyed the Ukrainian air force, locked down Ukrainian air space, and — if she so desired — blasted all Ukrainian airports to rubble.
Under such circumstances, please explain the logistical nightmare of actually landing the 82nd Airborne on Ukrainian terra firma.
@dave
This masturbatory fantasy is time-locked in 1991. All those airframes listed will be destroyed on their runways and long before they ever reached Ukraine, much less Russia.
By the time, the 82nd troops got to Ukraine, the US would be a smoldering, radioactive ruin.
Definitely a schizoid hallucination. Not surprising.
So …. the grand ol’ folk who got kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban (The Taliban! FFS) are going to take on and defeat – the Russians? The. Russians. You know the Russians right? The guys of the S-500 and the Sarmat – those guys. So hey, you drop a bomb on Russia – and watch one hit Washington in return.
Pull the other one – it’s got bells on.
This sounds like some of Clancy’s later novels (Like SSN (which was coauthored, where one US submarine sinks the entire Chinese fleet iirc).
Utter ‘rah rah Muricah’ rubbish.
Unlike the 3rd world countries the USA usually picks on, Russia has a robust air defense network, and as others have pointed out, that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes, in words you are Hollywood Slaves – in fact, cowards and shit!
In Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, …Vietnam and Korea, what are you all capable of – you fucked up, Rambo-cowards!
You only know how to work with the language, but you can’t fight! Only to destroy the defenseless civilian population from the air and from the sea, the Nazis!
Dear Sir,
Although I do not like the gutter language, you have forgotten to mention one little battle; The Little Big Horn.
Nato boys should rather drop few tons of toilet paper to Kiev, I speculate it will be very difficult to find any…very soon.
Form seperate logistic brigade to also deliver some baby dipers to natzo instructors..they will be shiting their pants on the run to Brussel hehehe.
Toilet paper is not necessary when you have already crapped your pants
If they all fail to accomplish the mission, they can always draft Rambo and the terminator.
Well, the hallower the drum the lauder the sound.
Werent those guys the ones who lost the kabul airport to the Taliban?
If they are supposed to secure an airport in 18 hours, they sure are bad at their jobs
Taliban was overrunning their forward checkpoints, they could do nothing but watch
@Dave: “as in the Desert Storm Operations of 1991… utterly destroying all capability of armored and air assets of the opposing force from ever being a threat, ever again…”
Dave is not a troll, merely delusional. I think it is very kind of Saker to give him a polite, soothing, rational answer.
The US is running a propaganda campaign on its citizens and will negotiate a way out of the trap it created for itself while declaring “mission accomplished”.
Any other alternative is immediate suicide – as opposed to the 2024 election, which neither side will accept and will result in open civil war. That is the real “mission accomplished”, the division of its own population into warring camps so that they don’t unite against their oppressors. US military power will be used at home, against citizens, to “protect” the corrupt government.
Did the US have to import more Russian diesel fuel to move those troops?
no, the US has reserves.
but actually fighting in Europe would take a lot of POL.
Which is one of the first thing (pre-positioned POL and weapons dumps) the Russians will destroy if needed
Well, the 21st theater sustainment command based in Kaiserslautern Germany used to store an awful lot of supplies, particularly class 3 and class 5.
Now, if you are a believer in Boulding’s loss of strength gradient, supplies will move from Germany to Poland in case of major ground warfare in Ukraine. I would start my search for major supply depots in Poznan, Lodz, and Nowa Deba.
I’m sure Russia knows where every single one of them are in Germany, Poland, Ukraine, etc. All of the ones in Ukraine will cease to exist the minute Ukraine starts something. If Russia sees Poland shipping stuff to Ukraine, any place in Ukraine where they might be received will cease to exist the minute they are received or before.
Bottom line: there is going to be no reinforcements or logistics going to Ukraine from anywhere via air, sea or rail.
#USA #NATO #AmeroCapitalism
Basic defense mechanism “5 stages of responding to change”
psychologist E. Kübler-Ross, “On Death and Dying”, 1969
Five Key Stages of Emotional Response Emotional reactions of seriously ill and dying people:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
Almost the same stages people go through in their emotional reactions, faced with the need to adapt to a new reality.
Change is the death of the status quo.
All change, even the most desirable, has its sadness; for what we leave behind is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.
Anatole France
hmmm…all this hysteria by the Ukraine and west ….surely has not just been yet another attempt suckering in the EU and associates to get more arms and economic funding I ask cynically????
The vote in PACE to respond to the usual Lithuania and Ukraine motions to remove voting rights from Russia will take place tomorrow Wednesday.
Russia Today quoted this statement from State Department spokesman Ned Price. He said:
This is so typical of the United States. They create a problem and then says, “we won’t give your relief from the problem unless you make concessions.”
This is the same thing that is happening with the JCPOA. The US walks away from their agreement and then says,”we won’t give your relief from the problem unless you make concessions.”
I am so sick of this.
I hope there is a peaceful resolution to this but I will understand it if that does not happen.
Can Uncle $hmuel’s woke lgbtqxyz military be taken seriously? NO! I would like to see
them get their dix knocked into the dirt, though.
As from Oslo, Norway, it seems that this war between Russia and Ukraine, was very much alive yesterday, as army helicopters type Bell 412, was low flying in pair of two, back and forward all day long.
Now I got to suspect this hade a dual purpose.
One was to scare the living shit out of the city population as in “the end is near” sort of scenario and the other was to impress Taliban, that was airlifted into Oslo, so one could discuss rare minerals and our fair share of that.
But today the sun has dominated the sky and the war seems to be over not only there but also in the lügenpress.
Browsing through news in Norwegian, the only one to find was some demonstration in Kiev. Some arrested and guns fired.
Apart from that, this war does not seem to exist anymore.
Is this war just as music between to parts of a theater?
Sort of, keep them busy and confused, induce more fear, while we prepare for Pandemic 2.0?
Omicron was nearly launched here as the end of mankind. Only parts of the goals are reached.
I measure this by how hard-core the masquerade is in public transport.
Last week it was near 99% and this week less than 50%.
They got to keep the momentum up.
Its do or die.
The saker wrote:
“Also, what if the US decides not to invade Cuba/Venezuela/Nicaragua but to blockade it… ”
I doubt it very much.
If USA blocks Cuba then Russia and Iran will block Hormuz and the empire can do nothing. If USA sinks a Russian ship into the Caribbean then Russia can destroy CENTCOM’s military bases and again the empire can do nothing.
US says it will refuse all security concessions proposed by Russia
https://www.rt.com/russia/547285-us-stays-firm-ukraine-deal/
“never won a war since WWII do to “deter Russia” anyway”?
What! You forget the glorious assault and victory over a small group of security guards in Granada when the US awarded more medals [8,000] than soldiers who took part [7,000] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1984/04/15/more-medals-than-we-had-soldiers/dee01da3-382a-42cd-a368-08b921896182/ and helped to unite Americans after their defeat in Vietnam “Our days of weakness are over!” Reagan exulted in a speech to the Congressional Medal of Honor Society in New York. “Our military forces are back on their feet and standing tall.”/S
As for the stationing of surface-to-surface missiles, I agree with you above. This does not make much sense, especially since the same would have to be protected by a deep staggered air defense.
In addition, a tightening of the sanctions regime would have to be reckoned with, in which many more states would possibly participate more strongly – with the consequence that the RF would also have to keep these countries alive.
I consider the stationing of e.g. S-400 and possibly higher to neutralize the land-based strategic nuclear arsenal of the USA conceivable. (A kind of missile defense, like that of the Americans in Europe.)
Only real experts can judge whether this makes military sense, however.
And, of course, it would also not be without consequences for these states.
Oh yes!!
Here you are spot on.
S-400s for Cuba would be a beautiful move in many ways.
Venezuela and Nicaragua are also options, but Cuba would truly be a dream come true or a nightmare, depending on whose side you are on :-)
But those S-400s would have to be defended, so we are again talking about a layered air defense.
But yes, that is doable.
Hi Saker,
1. Could the S400 in Cuba and in the other two countries be strictly considered defense against incoming missiles from the US to these countries or could their mission be not only to defend each country but be part of the Russian world wide defense. In other words could the role of the S400 be for both local and as part of the Russian defense network.
2. What about Cuba or the other countries allowing Russia to build a naval base for their strategic submarines. Would Russia have the same problem or more defending it than if they stationed missiles. I know that the Caribbean is very shallow for submarines while Nicaragua is also on the Pacific which of course is a deep ocean. Your thoughts.
Why do we need these parasites? Feed, drink and dress in the grave?
Today, Russia is capable of destroying the US/NATO lying down without getting up.
So all these Cubas, Nicaragua, Venezuelas… let them wait for the formation of the Atlantic Fleet of the Russian Navy, equipped with ships from the far sea zone. Then equip the naval base in SA, SA, (North America))), eltn bvtnm kvssk /
There is no need for SSBNs now – they are autonomous, and besides, they will have to build the so-called. bastions, and secrecy is zero, protection is expensive.
And most importantly, why?
Without them, the task is guaranteed to be completed.
According to my understanding “to destroy someone” is NOT core of Russian foreign policy. Such thinking is alien to it.
(Of course, I don’t know if there is not also one or the other “Curtis LeMay”).
“Why do we need these parasites?”
I’m pretty sure neither Putin nor Xi would view Cuba, Venezuela, or Nicaragua as parasites. They are solid Zone B countries bravely standing up to Empire for their own right of self determination. Creating an economic-security complex for them is very much in the interest of a multipolar world.
Mr. Lavrov has announced that the RF intends to increase military corporation with Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua.
https://www.rt.com/russia/547417-putin-military-plans-cuba/
Might also be a PR move or else, the Russians are are really into the game.
“…the soldiers civilians which will deter/defeat the Russians”
Must praise selection of camouflage color. Easier to wash blood stains.
SOME of the narrative chaos coming from USA is intentional but there are definitely cracks in the NATO block.
Gives an entirely new meaning to “the Red Coats are coming! The Red Coats are coming!”
;-)
Yup I believe the deal is done, the facts will be kept secret from us unwashed masses, the little people, the goyim. All we have now is a second rate play being conducted at the theater of the absurd by a menagerie of untalented wanna be’s over acting in hopes of gaining some attention. The anglo/zionists can claim victory, they stopped the drunken Russian hordes from overrunning poor little Ukraine and commence to beating their chests like king kong. I see no movement of masses of troops, I see no closure of embassies, half of NATO has already said nyet to any stupidity. The deal is done, life will began to quiet down, some things and orcs will be moved off Russia’s borders and life will go on. This shit is getting way beyond stupid. Where the hell did I put my popcorn.
“…life will began to quiet down…”
LOL Are you sure about that?
Saker,
I have to somewhat disagree with you on Cuba/Venezuela, etc. I was the first on your site to suggest this hypothesis. The “war” advantage of a symbolic placement of weapons in Cuba would be as in hybrid war. Such a move would destabilize the US political front and create more and more severe schisms in society and government perhaps even leading to a US “color revolution” or at least moving things in that direction.
It seems obvious to me that Russia’s “ultimatums” were issued with nope hope of success, but to pin down the west on what is acceptable behavior in international relations. if it is OK to have place nukes in the hands of 3rd party countries on Russia’s borders or otherwise arm them with offensive weapons, then it is also ok to do so on US borders. This would of course mean supplying the means to defend those weapons.
As you suggest, perhaps the most advanced weapons would not be the best choice. A few simple old fashioned nukes with an S-300 and some Pantsirs would suffice to bring about the desired panic among US citizens and politicians
Yes Saker,
from military point of view, it makes little sense.
However, politics is a form of warfare.
This may now be the dominant vector, in order to avoid all-out general war.
Moving those missiles or S-400s to the Caribbean has a larger meaning than just threatening the US.
It is humiliating the Hegemon in front of the entire world.
What you termed before as “bitch slapping,” sorry for profanity.
This may be the rationale, to strip them of their remaining fig-leaves.
Show the world that they have a gun to their heads and are helpless.
And the expensive effort would not need to maintained for long.. as you said, their collapse is well underway, like a man in mid-freefall from the top of a sky-scraper!
In fact, along with Russian Min of Foreign Affairs changing their tone, ending the “Partners,” making public the communications, and the Ultimatum itself, it seems this new hybrid war tack is having the desired effect.
It is such a shock to the system that the West is openly fracturing, as we see with NATO now. These non-kinetic actions function as small shaped charges to collapse the rotted structure into its own footprint.
Preferable to war!
But Russia putting nuclear missiles in Cuba or Venezuela would weaken their government. Even if the majority of people in Cuba/Venezuela have great sympathy for Russia and hate the US empire, those people do not want to paint nuclear targets on the head of their children.
Perhaps, right after the end of the Olympic Games, Russia will send 3 or 4 fregates with nuclear missiles do a permanent freedom of navigation exercice 30 km from the Atlantic coast of the USA and in the gulf of Mexico, with hidden nuclear submarines not far from New York, Washington and Boston.
China will do the same in the Pacific ocean not far from Los Angeles, San Francisco. They will give an ultimatum to Washington: remove your nuclear missiles from Europe and Korea and Japan, or our nuclear submarines and fregates will navigate near your coasts permanently.
US imports of Russian Energy in the first 10 months of 2021 amounted to $29 Billion (12% of Russian exports ). This figure just keeps growing and growing, allowing US companies to cut off reliance on Venezuela for its energy products.
In the meantime US is doing its damndest to prevent Europe from enjoying cheaper gas/oil through NS2. Do these European Governments not get it?
Importantly, how is Russia helping Venezuela from the deep financial stranglehold the US has on it. If not for Iran (delivering its naphtha ) , then possibly we’d have US puppet Guido ruling the roost.
One strategic measure then would be to cease all sales of Russian products to US and let them feel the pain of bringing in more expensive products, possibly returning to Venezuela for its products. Unless America is reselling all of these purchases to its Asian and South American markets then one of 2 things – 1. America’s economy is disrupted, looking elsewhere to fill the gap at greater cost or 2. Russia picks up more customers in these two markets.
I’m hoping that Iran, Russia and China have conspired to ensure Venezuela economy doesn’t into the abyss, apparently it doubled production these last few months. The US embargo on Iran will not prevent Iran sending the products Venezuela requires for its heavy oils, however, should matters get out of hand in the straits of Hormuz then Venezuela’s oil production fall 75%. Currently it produces just under a million bbls per day from a high under Chavez of 3 million bbls.
Putin is a God in North, West, South and North Asia and we need Russia & China to win Hearts & Minds in America’s back door.
USA State Department said today “Any steps that we would make would not be concessions”. This could be a communication to Russia that USA is willing to agree to Russia’s security demands if Russia allows USA to save face. But probably not. It’s probably just more blah blah blah.
Ukraine, judging by today’s small business owners demo at the Kyiv Parliament, calling out the New Goldman exotic financial WMD’s on taxation, auditing and accounting, calling for Zelensky’s head, is a big tell that Putin/Russia can sit back and watch this country’s implosion and that the belligerent actions of UKUS is more about Braindead Biden & Bonking BoJo’s poll numbers after a plethora of domestic blowouts.
Today was a reality check for the US, with spineless Europe pushing back and questioning their logic. Losing a reliable supplier of cheap (well not so cheap ) Energy for a US wet dream is akin to shooting off your big toe the day after you’ve bought a $300 pair of Nikes and just plain daft.
Re: “US imports of Russian Energy … just keeps growing and growing… In the meantime US is doing its damndest to prevent Europe from enjoying cheaper gas/oil through NS2. Do these European Governments not get it?”
This is a fascinating topic enshrouded in secrecy.
Meyssan may be right. US/EU are paying war-reparations for Syria, through closing its domestic energy sources and paying deliberately jacked-up prices. The Biden gang shut down the Keystone Pipeline, frackers, sent its strategic reserve oil to Asia, etc. and EU shut down much of coal, nuclear (Germany shuttered 3 of remaining 6 nuke plants on Dec 31, 2021), stopped filling gas reservoirs and left cheaper long-term gas contracts for expensive spot-market, and stopped most pipe flows too. In fact Russia already recouped cost sunk into NS2. Why would they allow these schemes to enrich their mortal enemy? It is not mere incompetence, or US looking to eat the EU’s lunch. The West is being milked to death.
There are likely similar arrangements regarding Venezuela being activated now, with technology/parts/know-how/lubricants and thinners flowing in via Iran.
The Syria war is really the transformative war of our lifetime, where the Hegemon hit the immovable object.
Perhaps the disclosure will come in 50 years.. unless some considerate person in the mob sells/posts the archives in the post-collapse period.
<> What exactly, tersely, did Russian “Demand OR ELSE?” My understanding was that, first, the Russian Ultimatum was, with foreknowledge, known to be rejected and never accepted by the NATOstan, and second, upon this rejection, the Russian state would use this rejection as a justified reference point i.e. rejection to proceed further… Are you saying the west is falling apart because of an impossible Russian demand?
Andrei, your analysis is gold and I look for it every morning. I especially like the balance you bring. War is a powerful intoxicant, but I judge you as a no nonsense man of peace.
Thank you
Some more news updates showing how schizophrenic the collective Biden has become about sanctions from different parts of the administration.
And the tax/economic protests in Ukraine today (no wonder the UK were selling a coup story – looks like the people are angry):
https://sputniknews.com/20220125/us-reportedly-mulling-more-russia-sanctions-targeting-raw-materials-arms-exports-1092506966.html
https://sputniknews.com/20220125/us-studying-alternatives-to-russian-gas-in-north-africa-amid-ukraine-spat-white-house-says-1092512990.html
https://tass.com/economy/1392955
“US can limit high tech export to Russia — official
Export control restriction options considered by the US will impair industrialization of Russian economy, the official noted….”
So is he implying the Russian economy isn’t industrialized? All those high tech weapons; space exploration etc. Hmmm still living in a fantasy land.
https://tass.com/economy/1392967
“Restriction of gas supplies due to situation with Ukraine to hit Moscow — US official
“This is a one-dimensional economy, and that means it needs oil and gas revenues at least as much as Europe needs its energy supply,” the official noted..”
They still live in a dream that Russia is just a gas station – crazy.
All these sanctions will only destroy their and the EU’s economies.
The article about protests in Ukraine:
https://tass.com/world/1393051
…”Eighteen police officers and three protesters were hurt in clashes during a protest rally staged by Ukrainian entrepreneurs in front of the building of Ukraine’s Verkhova Rada (parliament), Kiev’s police said on Tuesday….”
Now this could be the start of a real revolution………..
Lastly, the countries which evacuated their Embassies:
https://tass.com/world/1393021
Note all the five eyes (bar NZ) plus Germany….
The US means business. They are going in hard on sanctions. They have already refused a visa for a Russian cosmonaut, preventing him visiting the ground training sites for the US portion of the ISS.
US imports of Russian Energy in the first 10 months of 2021 amounted to $29 Billion (12% of Russian exports ). This figure just keeps growing and growing, allowing US companies to cut off reliance on Venezuela for its energy products.
Thanks for the light humor sir!
I know its a rather mean thing to say, but those two Ukrainian examples in the above; well the Russian soldiers might be hard-pressed to hold back from ventilating them just for being so annoying.
First you have the Minister of Defense. His large tasteful sky-blue tie with well-executed windsor knot replete with color matched hankie stuffed in a too-small sportsjacket so tight its bunching his shoulders. probably could present more appropriately as the figurehead of a military force. General Shoigu looks ‘very plain’ by comparison.
And then the minister’s formidable comrade-at-arms. The ‘I’ve-got-your-six’ grumpy-granny-fatale with the boy’s haircut and cool ‘ethnic’ surfer-dude choker procured on Etsy, armed and defiant with a huge automatic rifle ready to deal some death to the Russian usurpers. This will cause the Russian warriors to split their ribs with laughter, even though it’s not even funny. It’s just annoying.
I’m sure most Russian Babushkas that raise families, cook the meals, kneed the dough, iron the clothes, dress the kids, manage their husbands behaviour and sensibility, would likely make minced meat of that heavily armed be-chokered Matilda Damon in a fight.
The Ukies are a tough lot. And they make good warriors. But not the examples above.
“It would be much safer, quicker and cheaper to use her submarines and long range aviation to threaten both US coasts”
Don`t the Russian hypersonics have a range of just 1000km? they would need to increase the range to be an effective deterrent as i believe the US has an underwater detector net around its coastline.
Think US/UK are going to do a false flag in Kiev. Makes sense, they’re evacuating their embassies. News this morning was that tons of UK/US media are going to Kiev. The recent hysterical russophobic propoganda and information war, has perfectly set up Russia for a false flag, and everyone will readily believe it. Given the skripal hoax, the navalny hoax and the Boeing tragedy – the brits & yanks are world leaders in false flags.
If that happens Russia is screwed. The US wants its sanctions!
Please elaborate on how Russia is ‘screwed’ if this were to transpire?
Bob Jenkins
Sorry I was rushing. I’ve got whipped up myself by all the war talk, it’s infectious.
I think the point I was trying to make, even if they can’t force the Russians to attack, the NATO military will still try to maximise pain, via the false flag blame game, turning international public opinion against Russia (which it certainly isn’t now) which would be a huge pr win, and it would have the effect of whipping the nato hesutants into line (Croatia, Germany, France, Bulgaria) to create ‘an alliance of the willing’. Sanctions from hell and NATO consolidated as the defenders of freedom against the nasty ruskies.
During the Bosnian war, every time Christian Amanpour and her CNN camera team showed up in Sarajevo people were running away from them because they attracted false flag bombings.
I’m actually astounded by the stupidity coming out of the mouths of our illustrious western ‘leaders’. Has anything this ridiculous ever happened in history? Yep we have some unfolding problems with a bankrupt western financial system together with so called leaders mired in various levels of corruption & other assorted unfavorable things.
In the UK, good ol Boris is a good example. There is no need to comment on the crash test dummy on the other side of the pond. If these two were really pulling the strings then we would be in deep s**t. My take is that Russia’s ultimatum has rattled the two (currently) most powerful financial centers on the planet. Wall Street & the City of London forcing their hand. Would you want to secede control of a multi billion/trillion enterprise to Asia which is plainly underway? Of course not. They will fight, or rather encourage/finance many others to do it for them.
This bankrupt system is going down, its a mathematical certainty & they naturally want to remain in their position of privilege with what comes next, hopefully avoiding a broken neck or pitch fork in the ass along the way. For this reason I thing a war is all but guaranteed one way or another, probably with a false flag that forces Russia to respond. With the level of MSM hysteria broadcasting a non-existent Ukraine invasion, even the use of standoff weapons could be enough to label the Russians as aggressors then pull the plug on the banking system blaming you know who. I’m as curious as you guys are on how this will pan out.
Q: How do you know Russia is not going to invade Ukraine?
A: It doesn’t have to. There already 10,000 invisible Russians with tanks in Ukraine. According to the Ukranians, they have been there since 2014. And we know the Ukranians would never, ever, lie.
I’m starting to get worried about the war drums and sabre rattling.
I’m English and a nationalst. No way will I send off my boys to fight in any war with Russia.
Pretty sure we are seeing a calculated risk scenario unfold with the aim to sever and cripple a sovereign EU from Asia. Most of the german leading politicians are either deep in the pockets of the USA or are being easily blackmailed, because the CIA owns all the corpses in the cellar. No coincidence they immediately grabbed the east-german secret service files after the collapse of the GDR.
Add to that the usual human stupidity and drive to fit in and run (or lead) with the herd and the result is a total lack of opposition to the imperial policy here in germany. In my eyes they are all guilty of high treason to the public interest.
Quote:
Russia may not be poised to invade Ukraine – Pentagon
No threat of immediate Russian attack on Ukraine – EU
Zelensky to Ukrainians: Everything under control, no reason to panic
Ukraine urges calm, saying Russian invasion not imminent
Of course, this selection is very one-sided, there are many more headlines every bit as bad the ones yesterday, so let’s not make too much of this.
Also, please remember that in 08.08.08 Saakashvili made a speech promising peace to South Ossetia just HOURS before the Georgian forces attacked!
But what this does show, is that there is a “narrative chaos“.
End Quote
That first quote from Kirby I dismiss entirely. That guy is like every other Pentagon spokesman – he can’t put two words together to make a sentence. Everything he says is instantly dismissable.
I don’t think it’s as much “narrative chaos” – although I’m sure there’s some of that in there – but possibly a deliberate attempt to cause confusion. All this bullcrap about China asking Russia not to invade and Russia planning to put a puppet regime in Ukraine has obviously been made up by the US and UK intelligence agencies working more or less in concert.
If there’s one characteristic of an intelligence operation, it is manipulation, obfuscation, and disinformation. (That’s also true of computer hacking operations, as I know from my knowledge of that subject.)
Unfortunately this sort of thing seems to be working. Ray McGovern and Gilbert Doctorow have been babbling about how things are improving and there will be no war between Ukraine and Russia because the negotiations are “improving.” I can’t see any such thing. All I’ve seen is Blinken unable to provide Russia with a coherent response and promising that this week’s alleged response will be more of the same.
I dismiss all the Ukrainian comments about “no invasion” because 1) there is no “invasion” – which says nothing about Ukraine’s intentions – and 2) they obviously want to avoid panic in Ukraine and not let on that they’re the ones planning an offensive, let the hoi polloi get upset.
As for Russian weapons in Venezuela, Venezuela has offered help to Russia but it has been pointed out that the Venezuelan Constitution does not allow for foreign forces based in the country. Personally I think it would be enough if Russian subs and warships simply docked temporarily at Cuban and Venezuelan ports on “goodwill tours”.
No way the ukes do anything, it’s suicide, period. The nazi units, that oh so bravely pushed the conscipted units into caldrons before bailing out in the previous rounds, are well aware that actual Russian units will be waiting for them this time around.
Here’s a Wednesday morning front page headline from one of Germany’s leading outlets Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (F.A.Z.): “Kroatiens Präsident droht mit Rückzug aus der NATO” (Croatia’s president threatens to withdraw from NATO), https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/kroatiens-praesident-droht-mit-rueckzug-aus-der-nato-17752591.html. President Zoran Milanović announced his country will withdraw from NATO should a war start around Ukraine. “NATO is enforcing their presence, we have nothing to do with that, and we shall have nothing to do with that. Should an escalation arise there we will recall our Croatian soldiers up to the last man.”
According to F.A.Z., the president’s statement was rejected by members of the Croatian government. Foreign minister Goran Grlic Radman is cited, “The president is speaking not for Croatia but just for himself. We are, and will remain, a loyal member of NATO.”
Earlier, Milanović had said that the latest intensifying crisis “has nothing to do with Ukraine but with Biden’s policy in which I note contrariness and a dangerous behaviour. There is no place in NATO for Ukraine … because it is one of the most corrupt countries in the world”. It must not be allowed to have “extremists” influence politics, “and that’s why Croatia will not take part in that”. Croatia has to stay away from that conflict “like from a fire”. The development of the gas prizes indicates “that this confrontation with Russia is not particularly clever.”
F.A.Z. mentions a prolonged power struggle between President Milanović and Prime Minister Andrej Plenković.
Hope he has good life insurance. I would suggest he not fly anywhere and check under his car before driving. A food taster might be a good idea too. Oh and keep an eye of the sky for drones.
Color Revolution in Croatia…. 3…2…1…
D/LNR made an ultimatum declaration of war. If Ukrainazis attack them, they will decimate key strategic targets, and have effectively called all of their troops to deploy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6bfgf0629E
At first I thought that was Victoria Nuland with the sniper rifle.
Or the Colombian lady from Scarface.
We know they like symbolism…
Maybe 02/02/22 will be the new 08 08 08?
Definitely an abrupt change of “tone” lately, but whether this is reality finally dawning (hello Mr Zircon!), or just a diversionary tactic as above remains to be seen.
Personally I wouldn’t trust any of them further than I could throw them (ie not far)
“not a step back”, Russia, this one is our generation´s Stalingrad. Either we overcome & prevail or our nations become slavelandia, like———the USA.
Putting missiles in Cuba may have been Kruschev’s style but it’s not Putin’s. Putin and the leadership sees moves way in advance and they haven’t really made any big mistakes. As another reader said, putting S400 in Cuba, which are strictly defensive, would seem to be more of Putin’s style. He would get a big bang for the buck especially if the S400 is not only strictly for defense of Cuba from US missiles but also as part of Russia’s worldwide network of defense. It’s possible. Let’s see it if happens.
One of one of the best US videos about this crisis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j5alqfsxio&ab_channel=TheJimmyDoreShow
“Finally, what does adding several thousands solider from a military which has never fought in defense of its homeland and never won a war since WWII do to “deter Russia” anyway?”
We keep hearing the propaganda used to sway the average pleb that is a constant repetition of “Russian Aggression, Russian Aggression, Russian Aggression.” This from the belligerent ‘hawks’ from those countries who are moving troops, military hardware, and weapons from their own countries and placing them on the Russian border. Define “aggression?” I’d define aggression as acts that infringe on a sovereign country’s national security, such as probing their borders on land, by sea, and in the air. The West’s definition of ‘aggression’ is when sovereign countries mobilizes their internal defenses to met an external threat to their national security.
Western aggression isn’t going to be met with flowers and olive branches or Russians on their knees bowing before those who believe in their global “exceptionalism.” Nope. It’s a multi-polar world now and a “rules based international order” led by the US hegemon simply are not going to be allowed to roll over Russia (or China) as though those nations are some “shitty little country that the US throws up against the wall every few years to show the US means business.” If they keep this up they’ll end up finding out just how well their effeminized, culturally ‘woke’, rainbow colored coalition of Nancy-boys and Sally-girls will fare against an actual military force of soldiers (I do have sympathy for those in the West who are actually professional, highly trained soldiers).
So, keep spreading the hegemon’s troops out in a thin patina of ‘power projection’ on multiple global fronts (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Syria, et.al) while huffing and puffing and threatening to blow the global house down.
Don’t they teach logistics at West Point any more?
It’s like ice water was suddenly thrown on the West as well as country 404.
What happened. It’s like someone hit a light-switch.
Guys you should see this, it’s pure gold…
https://twitter.com/Kodernikus/status/1485589086912266241
This is so funny, Stoltenberg is just an overpaid clerk who will be leaving his job shortly and will defer to his real bosses at the drop of a hat, what Stoltenberg means by the below is he will copy and paste whatever the US tells him.
@jensstoltenberg
tells
@amanpour
that NATO will send written responses to Russia later this week in coordination w/the US. “We are finalizing at NATO the proposals, the written document we will send to them later this week. We will do that in parallel with [the] United States”
4:22 PM • Jan 25, 2022
Young men being expected to fight & possibly die in a war is bad enough even when there is a possibility of victory. The young Ukrainian conscripts cannot be unaware that they are being asked to take part in a futile gesture. No one is offering any prospect other than defeat, maybe death & maybe a monument to their heroism. I cannot imagine a more demoralising situation, and would be surprised ( in the event of an actual invasion ) if there were not mass desertions & collapse – and who could blame them ?
It is critical for Russia and China that they make solidarity real with countries like Bolivia, Venezuela and Cuba.
OK, here is the Russian twist!
BREAKING: Lavrov clarifies that Russia, Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua will now cooperate in all spheres, including military.
Putin concurs with Cuban, Nicaraguan, Venezuelan leaders on boosting cooperation — Lavrov
I was a young lad back in the late 70’s, serving in a Pershing missile brigade in Germany. 56th artillery brigade which the west wants to bring out of retirement. I never had any animosity towards Russia or Russian people. I was just a young kid doing my duty. As I got older I realized that Russia and the USA share a big history. Russian helped Lincoln during the civil war. Russia helped Washington during the revolutionary war. Russia is our sister, we should hold her close and not turn her away. If the insanity of the current mob in Washington keep going to the end, I pray that the USA will feel the pain of war. Hopefully only the insane people running the government and not the people that hold our sister close.
Take it one step further, Russia actually had colonies on the west coast of USA. then they eventually vacated that the Americans have never done. this comes from the jewish philosophy, occupation is 90% ownership
names like Sebastapol, Russian River etc in California give you a clue
That is true. But Russia fought England. England (city of London) runs the show. Some useful idiots in Washington think they run the show.
Dear @Saker
I found an interesting news, whit useful considerations, from an Italian newspaper, but I can’t fully translate through Google.translate service
SUMMIT BETWEEN PUTIN AND ITALIAN COMPANIES, BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS AWAKENED
26 January 2022 Michele Crudelini
SUMMIT BETWEEN PUTIN AND ITALIAN COMPANIES, BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS AWAKENED
The role of Italy in the conflict, for now only diplomatic, between the West and Russia is not marginal. On the contrary.
There is a growing concern on the part of the NATO front about any kind of ties Rome can keep alive with Moscow, even economic ties that have nothing to do with military issues.
The accusation of the Financial Times against Italy
For this reason, the Financial Times, one of the leading media of the Western Anglo-American elite, denounced with great concern the meeting scheduled between the leaders of some Italian companies and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“The leaders of some of the largest Italian companies, including Pirelli, Generali and UniCredit, will hold a video meeting with Vladimir Putin to discuss economic ties, even as Europe and the United States threaten to impose punitive sanctions on Russia in the event of an invasion of the ‘Ukraine”.
So the Financial Times intends to bring attention to this meeting, as if it were something that could upset the plans of the West towards Russia.
In support of this thesis, the British newspaper reports the utterances of Alexander Gabuev, described as an expert at the Carnegie Moscow Center: “Putin expects business to weaken Western policy against Russia”. For the record, it should be remembered that this Russian think tank is actually a branch of the more famous Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a cultural club born in the United States to foster Washington’s influence in the world.
A meeting planned for some time
In reality, the summit between Putin and Italian companies has already been fixed for some time, in particular since last November, promoted by the Italian-Russian Chamber of Commerce, with the approval, at least initially, of the Italian government.
However, the position of the Draghi executive in recent days has become increasingly ambiguous with respect to this meeting until it reaches what appears to be in effect an attempt at sabotage. It seems that the government has in fact asked the Italian-Russian Chamber of Commerce to cancel the meeting or at least to exclude from the summit the Italian companies in which there is a strong participation of the state.
ENI and SNAM withdraw from the meeting due to the government’s fault?
For this reason, ENI, the main Italian oil company, and SNAM, a gas network company, withdrew from the meeting, although their presence was initially planned.
One wonders at this point whether the Italian government has perceived the pressure made by the Financial Times, or by some Western state, to take such a peremptory position and which could bring concrete damage to the Italian economy. The presence of ENI in Russia is indeed historic and can be traced back to the early 1960s when the then President Enrico Mattei was among the first in the Western world to open a collaboration with the Soviet Union.
In times of the Cold War there was obviously less subjection on the part of Italian institutions in undertaking commercial relations even with the country considered public enemy number one.
Italy cannot afford a conflict with Russia
Since then, the collaboration between ENI and Russia has not stopped and today includes a partnership with the Russian company Rosneft for projects in the Barents Sea and the Black Sea, as well as participating in gas supplies through Bluestream, the gas pipeline that connects Russia to the Turkey.
On the other hand, SNAM has always reiterated the importance of a collaboration with Russia for the supply of gas: “Russia has never missed a delivery for more than 40 years and this is also due to long-term contracts”.
To further understand the level of self-harm resulting from the obstacles posed by Italian politics with respect to trade with Russia, it should be remembered that Italian gas needs depend almost entirely on foreign supplies. In particular, Russia with 46% of supplies is the first country for gas exports to Italy.
In short, Moscow is a fundamental economic partner for the very survival of our country and it is worrying that the Italian government is being dragged by its allies into a conflict in which we would only have to lose.
https://www.byoblu.com/2022/01/26/vertice-tra-putin-e-aziende-italiane-ma-il-governo-si-sfila/
Best regards.
Russia now has its written reply, and Blinken is giving a press conference right now:
JUST IN – US has handed response to Russia, Bloomberg reports.
for what it is worth
my u.s. dual citizenship son is in the finnish army doing his stint to secure his passport there in helsinki. i asked him what the prevailing attitude among the finns is to this propaganda blitz by the west. he said that his understanding related by the finns is that this is all just bluster. they are not concerned in the least and that it is silly since finland actually has a financial stake in keeping good relations with the bear.
nothing to see here. there.
Good one!
Yet I think it all boils down to the written response that should be handed in today and whatever it says.
Greetings to all.
Steinmeier gave interview to a German newspaper and a General heading a Nato military committee both have also stated Russia is not threat…but overall western press dare not mention that really
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/26/when-a-nato-foreign-minister-accused-the-alliance-of-war-mongering-against-russia/
Stoltenberg is speaking now:
NATO Head calls for Russia to withdraw troops from Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova.
Welp… Ukraine is a stalemate which will be flooded by spies to instigate false flags.
It’s time to move the navy + subs to the coasts of North Amerika, S400s to Venezuela/Cuba instead.