Actually, there have been a lot of terrorist attacks on Crimea, but either they were caught, or the actual damage was minimal. So it’s not something new.
This time, the Ukie SBU hired two guys to place explosives. Everybody was caught.
Now here comes the important factoid: all these attacks were planned and coordinated by either the Ukie SBU or the Ukie military intelligence service GUR (yes, like GRU, just different order, the beautiful Ukrainian language is SO different from the ugly Moskal’ speech, right?).
Anyway, the Russians are now sitting on a big case full of evidence of state-planned Ukie terrorist attacks not only in the LDNR, which is de jure not Russian (yet), but Crimea which is Russian under Russian law. This is worth repeating: there have been quite a few Ukronazi attacks on Crimea and Crimea is as Russian as Moscow or Riazan!
So what I am saying is this: under international law, the Ukraine has launched acts of aggression launched by the top levels of the Ukie state. That means that Russia can choose to respond to these attacks in any manner she chooses from protests to sanctions, to direct attacks on the SBU/GUR facilities and/or individual commanders.
So far, neither the LDNR nor Russia has authorized covert sabotage/killing operations against the Ukraine. The reasons for this are numerous, but this might change in the future and when that happens, the Russians will have a full dossier of evidence, not just vague (and not even credible!) “official suspicions” against “terrorist countries” or “counties which harbor terrorists” like the US pretends to have before striking (remember the WMD nonsense and Powell’s small vial of laundry soap at the UNSC??).
By the way, as we speak, there is a visit by senior Congress Officials in Kiev (such terrorist attacks always happen either right before or during the visit of US dignitaries). These “Congresspeople” (they don’t deserve to be called “men”) expressed their love and support for the Ukronazi regime and promised all forms of aid.
The “oh so clever” Ukie plan is simple: become a NATO member de facto while legally speaking, only being a special ally/friend. This circumvents any and all formal obstacles and makes it possible for the US to impose this on NATO without any formal vote or big ceremonies.
Now, ain’t they smart?!
Back to reality, if NATO or the US still had relevant militaries this would be a real problem, but since Putin and the Kremlin know the real score (Kabul) and they are laughing! And when US Congresspeople promise to even install Patriot missiles that laughter gets even more hysterical.
US Money? In Afghanistan, only 10% of the trillions of dollars poured into that country reached its objective. In other words, the local “heroes” (all US servicemen are, by definition, “heroes” who need to be “thanked” for their “service”) simply stole 90% of all the money.
I am confident that the Ukies can beat that record and steal, oh, say 95% or more of any money sent. And, like in Afghanistan, the US/NATO commanders will get their cut too. The weapons will be “lost” in explosions (blamed on Putin, Petrov and Boshirov personally!) and then sold to the highest bidder (LDNR included).
As for all the threats of fire and brimstone coming out of both parties, just ignore it – been there, done that. 20 years have passed and resulted in an abject failure. If Uncle Shmuel wants to repeat this, by all means, the Taliban will love it (more weapons and money for them).
Speaking of the Taliban, looks like they successfully entered the Panjshir valley, but that the local forces took to the mountains and are hiding. Ahmad Shah Massoud (father) did that once with the Soviet military. Eventually, the Soviets left, but the Talibans might seriously try to stay and gradually take the place under control. Yes, unlike the US-trained huge (300k iirc) official Afghan military, the Taliban are going from success to success and have not made too many mistakes (yet?).
Anyway, Afghanistan today is tomorrow’s Kosovo and tomorrow’s Ukraine.
And then, Palestine.
As for the Ukie terrorist attacks, they will all end up in one “final bill” which shall be paid in full in the not too distant future.
Andrei
I am pretty sure that under international law, Crimea is occupied and Ukraine cannot be blamed for staging “resistance” movements.
As for the analogy with Afghanistan: 20% of all the money was plundered by local afghans, 80 % returned to be plundered by the American MIC. Ukraine will not see Trillions, much less the 80% or even the 20% of said trillions. It has lost its strategic value and remains merely a nuisance. It will be maintained alive long enough so that no one responsible for the fiasco can be directly blamed in the US. Then the US will withdraw just like it did in Afghanistan.
“I am pretty sure that under international law, Crimea is occupied and Ukraine cannot be blamed for staging “resistance” movements”
Does that logic apply to occupied Palestine?
Yes, it does.
What “international law”? US type where they ignore UN like in case of Serbia or when they use UN resolutions and twisting them based on their bloody needs like in cases of Lybia or Syria?
First of all, Ukraine has no legal government, so international law cannot be applied in their case.
Is Ukraine a country? We know there are many good people there but is it a real country?
To nave
Would that be same “international law” under which the so-called Kosovo came into existence? The “international law” as endorsed and practiced by the imbecils from the “Land of Imbecils”, together with their EU quislings?
Oh, and lets not forger Anglos here, although they are now out of EU. Is this collection of world’s garbage, in your opinion, constitute the tenets of International Law?
Crimea WAS occupied, for over 60 years, by an artificial entity, called “Ukraine” – 7 years ago Crimea got liberated and RETURNED back to it’s rightful owner.
Live with it.
The law was broken in the case of Kosovo, Syria, Libya, Palestine, etc. I am in no way defending that. And while Reuniting Crimea with Russia seems to me as moral and just (and bloodless), I cannot in all fairness say that it abides by international law.
Wait, the neo-nazis overthrew the elected government. Anything they do is illegitimate. And half the country wasn’t allowed to vote in the post-coup ‘election’.
To nave
“I cannot in all fairness say that it abides by international law” – the “international law” that can be, also according to you, broken at will and in addition, implemented as suited? Please THINK harder about what you are putting in your comments here, otherwise you will get a very short and sharp shrift. Your first statement in your first comment is so unacceptable and so ignorant that there are no words to describe it. Was that done on purpose?
I never said that the law can be broken, quite the opposite. Learn to READ.
To nave
The so-called “international law” WAS deliberately broken, with several examples of it and yet, you are still trying to defend it?! And telling me to learn to READ into your drivel – are you really THAT disconnected from reality? For crying out loud, get your brains into gear and do not try to lecture anyone here! You are totally off the ball and do not even realize that.
You are wrong! Why? Putin is a lawyer. This is why he stresses international law and he abides by it. Crimean’s themselves asked to rejoin Russia and Russia accepted their requests. And why has no one ever asked the Crimean’s themselves where they want to be?
How dem Empire boots taste?
yes, not “international law” but just international jaw!
I am not so sure :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tM1Jz2DJ-4
Brlliant interview!
I had no idea that Ukraine was recognised diplomatically as as an independent country by the UN since 1945..I looked it up and it’s true:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_the_United_Nations
1945 – 1991 as Soviet Socialist Republic
1991 – present day as Independent Ukraine
But the borders between 1945 – 1991 were without Crimea!
1954 when Crimea was given to Ukraine, normally there should have been a retracing of maritime borders, but there was none because there was no change of nationality.
He also says when Ukraine made a referendum in 1991 to become an autonomos state, (and subsequently an independent state) a separate referendum should have been held for Crimea…
There was none. Therefore he says: “one can talk about annexation of Crimea by Ukraine”
Finally Crimea held its referendum in 2014, a right to self determination which was born in 1954 and neglected in 1991.
The same situation holds with regard to Sub-Carpathian region of current-day Ukraine, which was stolen by Stalin from Czechoslovakia in 1945, against the wishes of the people living there, who would much rather have stayed in Czechoslovakia or join Russia, but have always detested the Austro-Hungarian-created “Ukrainian” (“borderlands”) pseudo-nationality program. If the Ukraine demands the return of Crimea. they should also demand the return of Sub-Carpathia to Czechoslovakia (or some federation of successor states), lest they demonstrate their hypocrisy.
Southern Denmark vs Crimea.
In 1864 The German Emperor Kaiser Wilhelm invaded and annexed the southern part of Denmark.
Danes in the annexed territory was forced to pay tax and perform military duties for Germany.
However, in 1918, when Germany was defeated in WWI, the populations of Southern Jutland choose via a referendum, to be reunited with Denmark. The referendum settled the international dispute.
In 1954, the region of Crimea within the USSR, was administratively transferred to the region of Ukraine within the USSR.
In 1991, the USSR collapsed, and the region of Ukraine separated from the Russian Empire.
However, the question regarding Crimea was first solved in 2014, when the people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to remain part of Russia.
Conclution:
As international law accepted the referendum by the Danes in southern Denmark, to remain part of Denmark,
Then international Law must also recognize the referendum by the Crimean population to remain part of Russia.
” I am pretty sure that under international law, Crimea is occupied and Ukraine cannot be blamed for staging “resistance” movements.”
When thug assembels gang of followers and openly disrespects Law, lie, steal, spy, burn and kill, they are excluded from the society. The Law doesn’t protects THEM anymore. Nothing they have to say is relevant. There is an old name for such people. Outlaws.
Automatic American citizenship guaranteed!
Wait a minute. The elected government of Ukraine was overthrown a a coup. Then the coupsters cut off water and electric to all of Crimea. Then they were told to leave or die if they didn’t like it. So then the Crimeans held an election and decided they wanted to be part of Russia Which they always were. Just because the US paid for and helped organize the coup doesn’t mean it was legal. The malevolent arrogance of my (US) government is just idiotic. And the neo-nazis running Ukraine know that if they try and invade Crimea they will cease to be alive, much less ‘running the country.’ IMHO, anyway…
Tom in AZ
@ Nave,
You do make a valid point about International Law, although it is likely to be “Moot” both technicaly and legally for various reasons now, the main reason being that the Post-Soviet State refered to as “Ukraine” has been disolved due to Civil War.
It can also be argued within International Law that the Civil War in “Ukraine” – technically “the Post-Soviet State known as, or of Ukraine” – lead to the break up of the this “Post-Soviet State of Ukraine”, which now no longer exists (although any nation can legally, possibly even Lawfully, choose to continue to recognise – or not regognise at all – any part or the whole of “Ukraine”).
From a purely “Legal” perspective the “Post-Soviet State of Ukraine” is unlikely ever to be reconstituted to the post-soviet borders – whoever “wins” this Civil War. Certainly, Russia will never “return” soverienty of Crimea to whatever new Government is formed after the Civil War eventually ends. Whoever sits in the halls of power in Kiev – “Russian Seperatists from Donbass” or “Neo-Nazis from Western Ukraine”, or something totally new, the old Ukraine is gone.
Had the West not had so much of thier post Cold War Russian containment strategy invested in controlling all the land previously within the borders of the “Post-Soviet State of Ukraine”, we would have already seen a new “Post Civil War State of Ukraine” emerge, with large changes to borders or at least the inclusion of Semi-Autonomous regions.
The West will never – by choice at least – “legally reconise” any break away section of the old Ukraine, much less contribute to a resolution of a Civil War which may (however unlikely) see NATO nukes and air defence systems on Russia’s border and a NATO naval base in Crimea.
The West will therefore continue to support thier puppets as long as they can afford to – which could be many years yet.
Albeit very unlikely, the West may decide at some point to “settle” the Civil War under International Law.
This could be as simple or as complex as the various parties want it to be – for example by simply “recognising” the realities of the Civil War and recognising the break away region of Donbas as seperate from Ukraine, and by regognising Crimea as seperate from Ukraine also (but not neccessarily as Russian!) a new entity can be created.
This new entity can then in turn be “Recognised under International Law” (or their interpretation thereof). This new entity could take the form of the “New Nation of Free Ukraine” (or some similar NATO friendly name).
With the Civil War settled, new borders established and recognised, and no further internal conflicts, the new nation of “Free Ukraine” will be cleared for NATO membership.
The West gaining valuable new territory and a new member of NATO and likely the EU too, but at the cost of accepting they have lost the jewels that were Crimea and Donbas.
All of the above is just simple preamble and legal speculation, but – and this is a big but – I believe the British and the Americans (and the EU with Turkey) have anticipated they may have to run with such a plan B as they appear to have already began the groundwork.
The most telling aspects are new agreements and new Legal Contracts with “Ukraine” and “The People of Ukraine” (we do not know what the name or definition of this Legal entity “Ukraine” or 2The People of Ukraine” actually is) being signed on British Soveriegn territory and US soveriegn territory. The significance is that the Legal agreements come under British or American Law, and are enforable by the British and Americans respecfully.
The British recently made a point about getting a contract signed on board one of thier warships – a massive Legal conundrum as to what this could mean – as historically a nation signing agreements on board another nations warship is seen as a sign of submission or even surrender in some cases.
I wont dwell on this anymore as Lawyers will have fun with this for years – but what if what I suspect is actually taking place – and that the West are preparing for drawing up a new map (remember they have over 300 years experience of chopping up countries – especially the British who have drawn lines on maps and created many new nations this way or by making a book entry).
Of course, with a new nation comes the severing of old agreements with other nations (such as Russia and Turkey for example).
If a new Ukraine is being secretly created (and defence deals signed in British and American, and even EU law) we may yet see a conflict between Russia and NATO as a nuclear armed NATO fleet with Aegis, Patriot, and Thadd (the last two can also be nuclear tipped dont forget) in Ukraine and on the Black Sea cannot be seen by Russia as anything other than preparations for a first strike by NATO.
The above is just my opinion quickly jotted down between coffees – I seek not any argument, Legal or otherwise.
To Crazy Times
“A NATO naval base in Crimea – are you in your right mind?! They would not be allowed to come anywhere NEAR! All of this NATO garbage would be sunk and will be feeding the fishes at the bottom of the Black Sea! INSTANTLY!
I do not offer any arguments but very interesting scenario, Crazy Times. Something to ponder upon while I sip my superb supermarket house-brand coffee.
Let me follow this up for those who still think “Laws” are fixed and that borders are fixed – even though centuries of hard evidence and countless written cases and precedents clearly and obviously points to that not being the truth.
Laws (of any kind) are not set in stone – they form the basis for Contracts (and Interpretations of Contracts and Agreements). The Contract is binding on all parties, but in exceptional cases the terms can be changed or the Contract even cancelled – but only with the agreement of all parties to the contract (and the payment of any compensation as per the contract or subsequently agreed). Courts will determine how a Contract is ended / altered and appropriate compensation (damages) if the Contract is complex. A Court can then “enforce” any judgement.
The above paragraph is key to understanding any Contract / Law.
International Law may be complex, but the principles are the same if all parties to a contract agree to changes (sometimes even when there is no agreement a Judge can settle the matter in an apropriate Court of Law).
Most people consider a definition such as this (random on-line dictionary definition) as being a reasonable definition of Law:
“A binding custom or practice of a community, or a rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority, including the whole body of such customs, practices, or rules. Courts exist to uphold, interpret, and apply the law.”
However those with greater knowledge, or Legal Professionals will require a more substantial definition.
This is the defininition from the Legal Dictionary for Professional Lawyers know as ‘Blacks’:
1) “Law” is that which is laid down, ordained, or established. A rule or method according to which phenomena or actions coexist or follow each other.
2) A system of principles and rules of human conduct, being the aggregate of those commandments and principles which are either prescribed or recognized by the gov- erning power in an organized jural society as its will in relation to the conduct of the members of such society, and which it undertakes to maintain and sanction and to use as the criteria of the actions of such members.
“Law” is a solemn expression of legislative will. It orders and permits and forbids. It announces rewards and punishments. Its provisions generally relate not to solitary or singular cases, but to what passes in the ordinary course of affairs.
4) Civ. Code La. arts. 1. 2. “Law,” without an article, properly implies a science or system of principles or rules of human conduct, answering to the Latin “jus;” as when it is spoken of as a subject of study or practice. In this sense, it includes the decisions of courts of justice, as well as acts of the legislature.
The judgment of a competent, court, until reversed or otherwise superseded, is law, as much as any statute. Indeed, it may happen that a statute may be passed in violation of law, that is, of the fundamental law or constitution of a state; that it is the prerogative of courts in such cases to declare it void, or, in other words, to declare it not to be law. Rurrill.
5) A rule of civil conduct prescribed by the supreme power in a, state. 1 Steph. Comm. 25; Civ. Code Dak.
So, what is my point?
As an honest individual, it is clear to me that any Law, International or otherwise, can be challenged, interpreted, revised, changed, judged upon, overturned, or even dispensed with as long as the so called “Legal Community” agrees – or after a Judge (or several) have “Heard” the case and made a judgement, which is enforceable.
International Law is what the International Community agree it to be – if they agree, or if the highest Courts Judge and make a ruling, then International Law can be changed at the stroke of a pen.
I should not need to go on with this as it is the principle I am illustrating, not that such and such country should have its borders changed or whatever.
As before, this was written quickly whilst having a coffee, I dont really want to get into this – that is something for lawyers to spend years and many families fortunes argueing – but I could not let the principle basis of my earlier comment be either misinterpreted or ridiculed.
Laws are not “fixed” forever, and neither are national borders.
There is no such thing as international law, because in international relations, the only law that counts is brutal force, being the reason for all the military exercises all around the world by the most powerful nations.
Actually international law is an oxymoron, because it would mean that sovereign countries could be bound to obey and be condemned for not obeying a law that would mean their total renounciation of their sovereignty, so they’d not be sovereign anymore, which is utterly stupid. There are only international agreements between countries, that can be denounced at any time by any sovereign country that has signed it/them. That’s why so many countries can just denounce the agreements and show their middle-finger without any condemnation, only babbling and ink printing, that’s all, overall if the country is military powerful.
nave
“I am pretty sure that under international law, Crimea is occupied and Ukraine cannot be blamed for staging “resistance” movements”. Indeed. How can Russia occupy it’s own land ? Crimea was annexed by Ukraine in 1954 and reunited with Russia in 2014, where it belongs.
Obama agreed to it. There are the Minsk agreements but you and 400,000,000 dead Americans know what the word of the IS gov’t in a treaty is worth. Custer died for your sins!
International law? Can you be more specific?
Does Kosovo exist by your conception of ‘international law’?
Does your concept of democracy allow people to decide by a referendum their destiny? Example Cataluña.
International law, whatever this is, is used conveniently in the West for their own geopolitics.
Invading Panama, Grenada, Libya, Iraq even Afghanistan is within a concept of international law.?
What is the US doing in Syria? Any mandate from the United Nations?
Get your facts right, please.
Mentioning intenational law, whatever you understand of it:
The British invade Islas Malvinas, deport their people and renames the islands Falklands.
Does this islands become British under international law?
yes, not “international law”? Las Malvinas= “Laws cannot be changed! Laws are changeable”(Erich Kästner)
By international law, I mean, you know, the thing..
Kosovo is not a country, Syria is occupied, and you just mentioned a bunch of illegal acts to justify the legality of a comparable act.
@nave
“…comparable act. ”
There’s a catch. It is not comparable with any of your examples.
You are weak on history. Come back when you finished your learning. No disrespect.
A plebiscite took place and it is independently certified as free and fair, in the absence of military occupation or other duress. The results of this plebiscite, a textbook case of geographically-based, nonselective autodetermination with a very high participation, was unmistakable. International law upholds this autodetermination principle against all hostile limitations by the nominal sovereign authority at the time of the referendum.
According to renowned specialists in international law Crimea is rightfully part of the Russian Federation.
Right of self determination
Overwhelming support in a free and fair referendum
Seven years of uncontested governance by the RF (and many more years to follow) create customary international law. The latter having the strongest effect on the establishment territorial rights.
Or do you suggest to give back the USA to the Indians?
Sorry, but you are mistaken.
Under international law, there are two often mutually exclusive principles:
1) the sovereignty of each nation and the inviolability of its borders.
2) the right for self-determination of all peoples.
Who gets to decide which is applies?
Depends whom you ask.
Should be the UN Security Council, but in the case of both Kosovo and Crimea, the UNSC could not agree.
Next, there is the bad old “might makes right” and under that logic, Kosovo belongs to the USA and Crimea to Russia.
If you follow the self-determination of nations, than the Crimeans voted for Russia (legally and several times) while the Kosovo Serbs and Albanians (no such thing as a “Kosovar”) never got to vote.
I would add that under Ukrainian law, not only was the Maidan coup illegal, the use of the military against other Ukrainians is illegal. What is also illegal is the entire structure of the current Ukie government which is now run by the SNBO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_and_Defense_Council_of_Ukraine) which is an entirely illegal entity whose only powers were consultative but which now runs the show.
So
All these lofty discussions about legality is utter and total bullshit and are not germane to the situation in the Ukraine.
Kind regards
Oh, and I forgot to add that under the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions, national liberation movements cannot use terrorist methods for their “war of liberation” so EVEN IF we stipulate, for argument’s sake, that Russia “invaded” and “annexed” the Ukraine, this does not allow the SBU/GUR thugs to plant bombs or try to destroy the civilian infrastructure of Crimea.
But since the Ukies would never dare attack the Russian military openly, the (try – and mostly fail) commit petty terrorist attack in Crimea. They are much more effective, alas, in the LDNR where the local security services seem to be in dire need of reform and reorganization.
Cheers
@ The Saker,
You wrote – “All these lofty discussions about legality is utter and total bullshit and are not germane to the situation in the Ukraine.”
Although they may or may not be germane to the situation in Ukraine, the discussions about legality are not, as you put it, “bullshit”.
Discussions about Law and Legality are educational and informative to those with enquiring minds. Opinions can vary wildly and any grasp of Law and Legal issues can vary in depth and accuracy.
It is useful to discuss these things, and if the commenters go off on a tangent, so to speak, the discussion can be brought back or polietly redirected to another forum, as opposed to shut down abrubtly.
As I wrote in another comment above, Laws (of any kind) are not set in stone – they form the basis for Contracts (and Interpretations of Contracts and Agreements). The Contract is binding on all parties, but in exceptional cases the terms can be changed or the Contract even cancelled – but only with the agreement of all parties to the contract (and the payment of any compensation as per the contract or subsequently agreed). Courts will determine how a Contract is ended / altered and the appropriate compensation (damages) if the Contract is complex. A Court can then “enforce” any judgement.
In a nutshell then – International Law is what the International Community agree it to be (or rather the various highest Court Judges make a ruling). This means that in theory at least, International Law (and by extension state borders) can be changed at the stroke of a pen.
Please note I am not seeking an argument, or even a reply, but for clarity and posterity I wish it known that such a discussion about Laws etc, if allowed to continue in a guided way, could have been useful for many people.
The concept of territorial integrity is vigorously defended by Russia everywhere else, and the referendum was hastily organized, without the consent of the country concerned (Ukraine), and with the territory already under Russian control. It was a master stroke in geopolitics and Russia does have a very strong case as to why Crimea should be Russian (both historically and with the desire of a majority of Crimeans to be Russians), but that doesn’t make any of what happened legal. It is also scary to any country that is not a superpower.
You are of course correct about the Geneva conventions and previous legal and legitimate votes by Crimeans that were ignored.
I think the most important point about international law is that the UN General Assembly still recognises Crimea as part of Ukraine and so technically an argument could be made that Ukraine has the right to try to regain its territory. Of course the current regime in the Ukraine came to power in a US-organised coup, which was also a violation of international law since in the UN charter it is forbidden for one country to interfere in the internal affairs of another. So according to international law the US-organised coup in 2014 was illegal, and therefore the current regime is illegitimate and the people of Crimea have the right to resist their rule and reject their authority.
Crimea’s reunification with Russia was not neccesarily illegal, since the Crimean parliament voted to declare independence from Ukraine and rejoin Russia, and the right to self-determination has been enshrined in international law, but this has not been legally recognised by the UN General Assembly so Crimea is kind of in a grey zone. Of course its completely hypocritical for countries like the US, EU and Israel to be criticising Russia over Crimea since they themselves have all supported the illegal annexation of other countries territory (Palestine, Golan Heights, Kosovo etc). And in none of those cases were the parliaments or the people in those areas ever given a vote on it before it was carried out.
Well, if one allows oneself to be chased into the “box horn” of Anglo-American shyster lawyers, and simply ignores the constitutional side of history, specifically – leaves out of consideration the legal consequences of the preceding illegal, illegitimate usurpation of the instruments of state power, one can of course arrive at such an “opinion”.
International law is here at best “second”, all the more so if one still attaches any real meaning to the term “sovereignty of the people”.
And “the club” of this strange “international law” under the star banners (on “blue ground” or “with stripes”), which is preferably swung there, should be understood as what it is: namely “law” from a time in which it was still “to conquer the West”. There only the cardinal point has turned, namely rather exactly by 180 degrees…
“I am pretty sure that under international law, Crimea is occupied and Ukraine cannot be blamed for staging “resistance” movements.”
There is no such thing as “international law”. What about Yougoslavia? What about Soviet Union? What about South Sudan? What about Palestina? What about Golan?
There is no such thing, especially if you forget the self-determination rule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination
“SO different from the ugly Moskal’ speech, right?)”
Yes just change the G to an H and the O to an I, throw in a little bastardized Polish and Hungarian and you have a unique culture. For the most part only the cashiers in some shops speak Ukrainian. Ukrainian sounds retarded.
actually ukrainian is a nice melodic language. it is also taught for decades at slavic departments all over the world.
furthermore most ukrainians, whatever language they speak are incredible nice and honest people.
i spent some months there, have been beaten up by some banderovtsy in odessa in 2018 and met some really ugly neo-nazis both before and after the coup. this does not change my assessment of the people as a whole.
there is no such thing as a “Ukrainian language”.
Before 1917 there were both many “ukraines” out there and many “dialetcs” of Russian spoken there.
Next, after the Bolsheviks began their anti-Russian “national” policies, the dialect spoken in the western Ukraine was declared the “real Ukrainian” and all others as “not right”.
In reality, most urban areas always spoke Russian, they still do.
Most rural areas speak a weird mix of Russified-Ukrainian or Ukrainified-Russian called “Surzhik”. This is, indeed, a quite melodic and endearing dialect.
Only the hardcore political Ukros speak “West Ukrainian”, the rest of them, like Zelenskii, cannot even speak a proper West Ukrainian.
As for western colleges teaching Ukrainian as a separate real language, now THAT is such a surprise!!!!!
Who would have ever thought?!?!
…
You were joking, right?
well to be honest, i am not 100% sure, but if i remember correctly then the slavic faculty of my university offered ukrainian as a main language in the 90s. and “ukrainian” is to my knowledge a well established language, with proper grammar and all that. and that should not come as a surprise since, if my memory does not fail me, the czar himself favored a formalisation of the ukrainian language in the 19th century.
and if you go to zarkarpatsiya then the number of russian speakers as opposed to ukrainian speakers is a decided minority, even hungarian speakers are not that sizeable. sure odessa and many other regions are the total opposite, but I think people should come to an understanding that there are many people in the ukraine who grow up in a distinct consciousness of being ukrainian and not some bastard nation with a bastard language. this is what i like about putin who always shows ukrainians their due respect.
the majority of these people hold no special grudges against russia and actually often fondly remember their common soviet past. and many secretely admire VVP and wish they had a president like that.
actually i think resentment against russians may be biggest in cities like kharkov, since they had to endure an influx of often quite arrogant upper middle class russians, who often treated the locals like second class domestics. but to be honest my sample observation was too small to build a proper hypothesis for that.
and please do not see me as an apologist for what is happening in ukraine right now. i was in lvov and ushgorod before 2014 and saw what was brewing there. if you had a german passport, the number of compliments you received for having had a hitler was astounding in those places. but these people were and still are a (loud and dangerous) minority in ukraine.
” resentment against russians may be biggest in cities like kharkov,” That is news to me, as Kharkov is probably the most -russian city in Ukraine, and not because of “arrogant upper middle class” Russsians but because it has been Russian for ages, having been gifted by Lenin to the uKRAJINA. Of course the occupation by Galichans has changed the demographics, but not so much to change the views of the whole population. Kharkov was subdued thanks to a mayor that sat on two chairs ( one of those being an israeli chair), and the SBU with their Right Sector acolytes, and of course the burning of the citizens of Odessa, the murders in Mariupol, and Krasnormeisk in Donetsk, and the anti maidan krimchane in Cherkassy, and other cities and villages, atrocitiesthat had its effect on the population of Kharkov and other cities and villages. That city, and many others, are waiting for just a signal to rebel and continue the liberation of Malo Rossiya.
ok, you got me there, it gets a little confusing. i did not imply that kharkov was a “galician” city or full of ukrainian speakers. i just meant that people over the border came to kharkov and behaved quite badly. i witnessed two incidents of this nature on my short stay in kharkov and was told the people in question were from over the border.
now mind you the part of the “upper crust” population in ukraine i saw also were quite arrogant and obnoxious.
and yes demographics or attitudes may have changed in kharkov, because a person from kharkov recommended me to visit that “cafe krivki” (at least i think that was the name) in lvov. now for those of you who dont know, that is a place celebrating the UPA and quite a neo-nazi locale. that was years before the putsch and the person was a russian speaker from kharkov. i was quite innocent about ukraine and its politics at the time and visited the place during my stay in lvov and boy was that an eye opener.
actually i never liked lvov because even though it is a beautiful city the atmosphere always struck me as poisonous and nazi friendly.
Not one single of major mass media here in Scandinavia have reported about the Ukranazy regime’s shutting down of any major media owned by the democratic opposition forces in the Ukrainistân as yet — after half a year!(Or should I say: those media subject to b. johnson’s, mr. mayor’s and US/Aussie Zionistic Jews?)
“And then, Palestine…” The only connection I know of between Ukraine and Palestine is that the European Ashkenazim originally were the Khazars who controlled much of what is now Ukraine and southern Russia. They morphed into being the Ashkenazim, many of whom migrated to the USA to eventually become US neocons, the same folks who brought us 9/11 and all the wars of this century.
That’s why “Greater Israel” is so much more than Palestine, and why US neocon, Victoria “f-ck the EU” Nuland, was doing so much more than passing out cookies to Nazi thugs in Kiev in 2014. What goes around, comes around, Saker.
What about WW1+WW2? Time to name the names & the events which brought us where we are. Only utmost courage will restore the truth & preserve us from slavery.
Modern ashkenazi have little or no kazar DNA. They are the result of male jews coming to set up trade in Europe, and marrying European women. The male side of their DNA is very similar to Palestinian and other desert peoples from the ME.
If you need to believe the jews aren’t the ancient Israelites for religious reasons, then know that the stories in the OT were taken from many non-desert peoples and turned to the jews’ needs. Some of those peoples were whites coming down from the Caucasus region, for example.
Cant remember where I got this from, but it seems reasonable that the Palestinians are the descendants of Judea …
“The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.
What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.
“There are no blood or family connections among the Jews,” said Dr. Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.””
Zionism is based on the racist notion that certain modern-day Europeans were “chosen” by God to displace the truly indigenous people of Palestine. Most Zionists in the USA are Christian. They’ve been seduced by Zionists in the USA and Israel into thinking that the Ashkenazim are the rightful heirs to all of Palestine, and have thrown millions of dollars at Likud to help bring this about. They pray for an apocalyptic conflict to happen that will bring their warrior messiah back to Earth to smite all unbelievers, everyone but them apparently. This includes the very-same European Jews they now support.
When Trump killed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) with Iran and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, it was to appease his Christian-Zionist base. He was their ticket to the Rapture, so of course he “won” the 2020 election, no matter how many votes he actually got. As Steve Pearce, chairman of the Republican Party of New Mexico, said last December, “[Trump] is our president FOREVER, and no one can take that away from us.”
You need to read, or at least be aware what’s in the book by the Israeli historian, Shlomo Sand, “The Invention Of The Jewish People”. Simply and accurately, Jews are a tribe, not a “people”. It’s not “racial”, which was a lie/misunderstanding of the Nazis. Jews treated Ethiopean Jews badly, but that’s because racism is so common. Dr. Sand documents how Judaism went on an evangelical binge in the 300’s and 400’s C.E., across North Africa, greatly increasing the number of Jews. The fact of Khazarian conversion to Judaism is well-proven. I suspect you first heard the word “Khazars” from “right-wing antisemites” you dislike, so of course it can’t be true. But it is. Usually the division is Ashkenazi and Sephardim, but I once met a Jewess from Central Asia who said that Bukharan Jews represent a distinctly different third line. Bukhara is a city with a long history as a center of culture. I didn’t have the knowledge to question her in detail.
About the Old Testament stories, it’s quite interesting to compare what the Arabs have to say about those stories. Suffice to say, they diverge on important matters.
I must say I am awfully disappointed. Hasn’t the International Crimea Platform appointed Navalny as the legitimate President of the Russian Federation yet with a view to instantly terminate this intolerable occupation?
What’s worse for the Ukronazis is that now, after NATO’s stunning defeat in Afghanistan at the hands of the Taliban, fewer and fewer peoples around the world are on the same wavelength as Bandera’s proud disciples. If grovelling before NATO and the Collective West proves anything, it is being on the wrong side of history. As if more evidence of that was needed in the case of Ukraine — a truly cosmic failure all along the line.
Alongside Navalny only Saakashvili, Tikhanovskaya, Timoshenko and Guaidó are missing ;)
The thought of other countries appointing a new US-president would be quite amusing. But other countries won’t sink down to the level of the Americans, luckily.
”The thought of other countries appointing a new US president would be quite amusing.”
Amusing indeed 😄 But at the same time, there is actually something very serious about it. Unlike the Russians who got out of the horrors of WW1 with the Russian Empire lost forever and then also vanquished the murderous attack of 14 foreign invading armies, the Americans just don’t know how to build a new society on the ashes of the old except by squatting, thievery, and genocide. This means that the US population — unless outright genocided — will have to be subjected to foreign colonial rule (de jure and de facto) for its peaceful adaptation to civilized norms.
To conclude, it would make a lot of sense to have the God-awful US Presidential Elections opened up to the global population, most crucially including the right of nominating candidates who are neither US/Israeli citizens, nor live in any of these two countries. The mood of the Ukronazis can readily be imagined as it would deprive them instantly of their deeply revered slave owners. The latter will not enjoy the privilege of being in charge of the Bandernazi asylum however popular they are there.
Ironically, America played a pivotal role in establishing democracy in post-fascist Europe and they also played a role in the universal declaration of human rights. They just didn’t apply all those things to themselves. Madness started to spread amongst the politicians in Washington, when they started to bomb Chile because Salvador Allende wanted to bring social reforms to Chileans, the same happened in Vietnam and many many more places.
The military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical complex and Big Tech have infected America like cancer. I see this as explaination, as to why America failed to establish a real democracy
The “democracy” they applied was the same one they installed in Afghanistan. They give you a choice between two American puppets so that it doesn’t make any difference who wins the election since both candidates are the same. They then denounce anyone else as “extremists” and a “threat to democracy” and use it as excuse to harass or outright ban them. “Democracy” is just used as a euphism for American-Zionist hegemony.
”That means that Russia can choose to respond to these attacks in any manner she chooses /…/”
In a few years’ time, there’ll be no more ”Ukraine” to speak of except in a purely geographical sense. The West and its Bandernazi groupies destroyed utterly what used to be the most industrialized, prosperous constituent republic of the erstwhile USSR. Given Ukraine’s accelerating depopulation, Russia should just annex and settle the territory with Russians by the time Ukraine has lost enough people. If there are any inhabitants left in the Bandernazi backwater which is Galicia, then by all means let it ”prosper” on its own while it’s being coveted by a pack of squabbling hyenas: Poland/Hungary/Romania.
“The West and its Bandernazi groupies destroyed utterly what used to be the most industrialized, prosperous constituent republic of the erstwhile USSR. Given Ukraine’s accelerating depopulation,…”
Nothing to opose, just to shed lignt on “depopulation”. Also known as Brain-Drain.
Anglosphere is in the process of replacing indigenous work force with cheaper one. Old workforce achieved remarkable standard, and begins to pose a threat to interests of rentier-class and heriditary oligarchy.
The proven and tried ways are to grind them down with unemployment, lack of education and wars. The other part of trick is slow, but steady influx of dirt-cheap educated workers from conveniently destroyed countries.
The third, and the most important part is to stay hidden behind the curtain, while shills on the stage, and replaceable new-comers take the inevitable backlash.
Until divisions betveen groups are maintained, nothing can go wrong.
Just recalled.
Z went to Washington last week.
Saw *nothing* about this _ can anyone link an article.?
Schadenfreude Is fun
Z can’t win a trick. How many times was his consolation prize Washington visit postponed?
And then it goes ahead in the middle of the Afghanistan debacle.
Karma is a bitch, they say.
Well ukr got another 60million dollars worth of military supplies….maybe stuff to keep ukrops going through the winter?
”maybe stuff to keep ukrops going through the winter?”
Nope. To be duly embezzled by the one and only business thriving in ”Ukraine” — organized crime.
The thugs from the ukraine work for Amerika and as we all know international laws can be broken by Amerika and it’s puppet states but not by others.
I’m glad they were able catch them.
Ahmad Shah Massoud (father) and the KGB had negotiated a non-aggression agreement as the USSR required safe passage through the Panjshir valley. The Taliban have both ends of the valley and don`t need safe passage so can use artillery to grind out victory. Massoud allowed himself to be surrounded with no supply line and so is doomed.
Dear Saker, not like it’s urgent issue, but since you mentioned would it be possible for you to maybe do some research with the help of your sources and write analysis regarding our Serbian Jerusalem – Kosovo; what are the prospects, what should we expect/prepare for in mid/long term and do you think there could be as a result of new Big Deal some form of final unification of Serbian people in one state (incl. from Republika Srpska, Kosovo, Montenegro…) and could it be done also for other nations (Albanians, Bosnians, Croats…) as I think it would be fair and would put all the frictions between nations in former Yugoslavia space to an end? Thank you for your time
My opinion
Only solution for Kosovo without big war is division … to divide Kosovo … Serb part to join Serbia and Albanian part to join Albania .
I do not see other solution. Neither Albanians nor Serbs can have entire Kosovo without bi war and that war would be with unpredictable result.
Living together in peace is mission impossible. Albanians and Serbs are like Azeris and Armenians. No way that they can live together in any state or independent Kosovo or whatever,
Bosnia and Herzegovina without Yugoslavia cannot survive and exist today because of the West pressure. Only normal solution is partition. Republic of Srpska to join Serbia. Croatian part in West Herzegovina to join Croatia. Croats from Bosnia and Herzegovina are interested but Croats from Croatia not much because they are happy with what they have now and they do not want troubles any more and Bosnian and Herzegovinian Croats are not very popular in Croatia.
But I believe that Serbian and Croatian parts will join Serbia and Croatia in future
Central Bosnia to be Bosniak Islam state. Problem is that Bosniaks want hegemonic control over entire Bosnia and Herzegovina like in Ottoman times and they are encouraged because of Western support.
Macedonia and Monte Negro to stay as they are but both of them will have problems with Albanian minority especially huge problem for Macedonia. Albanians are encouraged with American and western support.
This is my opinion and only way to solve problems without war. But chances for that are very small.
Collapse of Yugoslavia unfortunately created problem that cannot be solved easily and I am afraid that new series of wars will happen in future.
Kosovo is very dangerous if war happen and Serbia get involved Albania will get involved as well and some other countries. But while Americans are there nothing will happen.
But one day American will leave and America will not be powerful as it is now. And then is going to be big big trouble.
Thank you for your insightful thoughts! I just know the Balkans as a tourist and from Yugoslav friends tellings. My humble view as a foreigner I want to add, is that I think Montenegro would be better off, if they reunited with Serbia. The concept of Montenegro statehood was a concept by Austria to cut off Serbia from the sea and weaken it’s economic and geostretegic position by it. The Americans repeated the concept in 2006 with a very controversial ‘referendum’ and now Montenegro is a NATO military-base for the Americans. We saw the protests recently about protests against the Church in Montenegro. What a madness. It’s sad when brother fights against brother and sister against sister. If the status quo stays, Montenegro will be either swallowed by the Americans or by the Chinese. Serbia needs the vital, NATO-free connection to the sea, and Montenegro needs a strong industry and a good defence system. Ergo: they need each other
Montenegro has a identity problem. Some of them want to be Serbs and some believe that they are nation separate from Serbs.
It is up to them to solve that problem without interference from outside.
But I do not see how will they solve that.
It is very difficult problem.
The most important is not to start fight and civil war.
I totally agree! There was more than enough civil war in this region. The problem is that they (Serbs,Montenegrans) won’t be allowed to solve this independently and peacefully, because NATO propaganda will always try to divide and conquer the lands of the Balkan.
“It is up to them to solve that problem without interference from outside.”
It is up to them — without interference.
It is oxymoron.
The Adriatic (and the Meditarranean) is now a NATO lake and completely useless for trade.
Serbia has the Danube, with access to the Black sea. That is our lifeline.
When they blocked Serbian ships during the war embargo, Serbia simply counter-blocked and created a massive shipping backlog on Europe’s longest river. We control the Iron Gates of the Danube (Romania is on the other side).
The gorge is only 3 kms wide..very easy to block… Btw, the scenery there is amazing:
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/down-the-danube-meeting-serbias-mystical-east
Thank you for the information! I’m glad there is still a way for Serbia for a lifeline. The scenery is indeed amazing. I hope the Balkans will come to peace. For that to happen foreign powers will have to let people alone and decide for themselves what they want.
Thank you Lenard!
Many thanks for your concern.
My thoughts are going in the same way, so that’s why I asked Saker if he thinks that could be achieved through some future negotiations. The only unknown factor is would USA and Nato allow it since their only agenda is to divide and not let anyone unite, they contol nations through the problems they caused for their own selfish geopolitical interests.
It’s very easy to say the solution is a division of the parts and unification with the respective mother country.
But which parts? There are no clearly defined parts (more like patchwork..). There is no contiguous zone that can be added this or that border country. In Kosovo, I presume Bosnian Croat is referring to the territory north of the Ibar river, that borders Serbia proper, but what about Decani and Gnjilane in SE? In the Muslim-Croat federation what would happen to Mostar?
I am not against separation per se..it’s just extremely complicated.
Once NATO gets hold on a military base they won’t get off it easily. Americans soldiers are stationed in Germany since 1945 and there is not a hint Washington would bring them back home any time soon. As I wrote above, by making Montenegro a NATO country they cut off Serbia from the sea. It is almost completely surrounded by NATO (except BiH for now) which is dangerous. Belgrade still got the wounds of the bombings in 1999. Even if Russia (or China) wanted to help Serbia now, they would have to cross NATO lands for access.
Lenard,
Yes we are surrounded by NATO, and yes we are landlocked.
During the sanctions in the 1990s Serbia and Montenegro were united, and we had access to the coast back then, but it did not help us. The embargo’s loophole was the Danube not the Adriatic.
Serbia can connect to trade in the East and the Black Sea via the Danube, even if we are under sanctions:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/03/04/embargo-leaks-at-danube/a9e9a654-be73-46ee-a34e-b148fa8cca01/
The Gorge is very narrow at this point. It is a chokepoint:
https://www.tripsavvy.com/iron-gates-of-the-danube-river-4061975
The sea could be used to trade with other countries or bring in military support (say from Russia). During the 1990s Russia was run by Yeltsin who was a traitor (US Government officially admits now they funded his election campaign with millions of dollars). So Russia did nothing to help Serbia. But in the future that might not be the case. That’s why they want to cut Serbia off from the sea so if Russia wants to help Serbia they will have no way of getting there with travelling through Nato countries or their airspace (which can easily be cut off). Trade through the Danube can also be cut off since it goes through Nato countries on both sides.
That’s why it was so important for them to rig the referendum on Montenegro’s independence and support “Europe’s last dictator”. Serbia will be cutoff from the outside world and it will be impossible for any outside country (including Russia) to help them if they are threatened again. They know that Serbia was traditionally Russia’s closest ally in Europe. That’s why they’re staging these church riots to try and cut off any links between Montenegro and Serbia, similar to what they did by banning the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine and setting up a fake “Ukrainian” Orthodox Church to replace it.
Hi Tony
Here are two of my columns which outline my belief about the future of Kosovo and the rest of Serbia:
/kosovo-will-be-liberated/
/drazha-mikhailovich-the-man-upon-which-the-future-serbia-will-be-rebuilt/
Kind regards
Andrei
The Ukies claim Crimea but then launch attacks that hurt no one but Crimean residents.
Real clever, that. A sure fire way to lose hearts and minds.
The Ukies attacking Ukraine (by their belief), it is so Ukie of them!!
International law? That is certainly a joke. Law comes forth from the butt of a gun; i.e. whoever has the gun, that is the bigger gun, makes, or rather is the law. When it comes to international politics, talking about “law” is just silly.
To all international experts, Crimea joining motherland Russia is the only lawful act I have seen in recent history. They both have the same citizenship, speak the same language, lawfully voted and accepted to be one nation, what business of war mongers, country destroyers, children killers and women rapist and so….. to call peace loving Russia broke the international? Is it because Russia refused to be part of “internationaL law” and join and contribute to the destruction of the world, or Russia refused to turn the other cheek to the war mongers?
Have coffee and wait few days to sober up and take look in the mirror before you have the urge to criticize. Peace
” These “Congresspeople” (they don’t deserve to be called “men”) expressed their love and support for the Ukronazi regime and promised all forms of aid.”
Perhaps Congress-creatures might be even more appropriate?
There is already such a name for them that’s been used for decades: “Congress critters.”
The term “people” would erroneously connote that they have the human qualities of reason and compassion for fellow members of their species.
”This time, the Ukie SBU hired two guys to place explosives. Everybody was caught.”
Congratulations — should merit the two guys a Nobel peace prize. It’s the thought that counts, even though the Ukronazis can’t seem to do anything right.
There was something recently that Russia will not renew extend the OSCE remit re checkpoints onthe frontline….do we still await Lavrov’s asks of it personally to the new secretary general? …and there have been repeated requests to fairly record events there …as always . I am not sure whether this just applies to the border check points or could later extend to the whole OSCE mission. So we await whether this kind of ahem “permits” DPR-LNR to become eventually more “defensive” or even opends the door to robust action by selected russian pmc or regular military?????
At the moment it is being considered to declare Juanito Alimañne (Juan Gaydog), since he has become a dead donkey in Venezuela, instead of Bossal-Nero as president of Brazil, of course under the (un) right of the people
Just a morsel:
superb format – “evil” “.” ” inc. ”
(Truth):
What is the “difference” between CEO’s, bankers, those who write the laws, the attorneys (who who find all the shells) the accountants (who hide it) most of earth’s leaders, modern medical “doctors”, math-engineers (particular specialists) most “professors” (yes incl. /psyc/ due to their “extra” credit work),
…. and ….your ….”run of the mill” … generic .. drive by .. spree killer?
(Get ready…)
Well the generic fellow can only “do away with” a limited number of “citizenry” while the aforementioned list can “do away with” as many “citizenry” as they want, look good doing it, get paid literally millions (sometimes ga-zillions) and actually are proud of themselves (pat themselves on the back) while “getting away” with it. (Textbook psychopaths)
(Side-note) Repeat: “infinity continuum. “
Ukraine is nothing more than a geopolitical “cattle prod” for the Americans, British, Canadians, Germans, and collective West to goad the Russia Bear with.
Nothing more.
Canada, for instance, has a very dirty secret in terms of sponsoring and supporting Ukrainian neo-fascists for decades.
Neo-Nazi Patrik Mathews’s arrest highlights Ottawa’s support for Ukrainian far right
https://ricochet.media/en/2958/neo-nazi-patrik-mathewss-arrest-highlights-ottawas-support-for-ukrainian-far-right
Long history of Ukrainian-Canadian groups glorifying Nazi collaborators exposed by defacing of Oakville memorial
https://www.thecanadafiles.com/articles/ukcdnm
Message to Trudeau: Why do you remember so kindly the Nazi victims of communism?
What many people don’t know—including many Canadians—is that Canada has a sordid history of giving shelter to Nazis and fascists of all stripes
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2021/08/30/message-to-trudeau-why-do-you-remember-so-kindly-the-nazi-victims-of-communism/
In general, the (cough) “Democratic” West hides behind lies about “freedom or human rights” to disguise who they really are as nation states: Fascistic Eurotrash supremacists.
According to international law about which Russia speaks so eloquently when it helps its interests, the Crimea, legally Ukrainian territory, is illegally occupied by Russia and accordingly, anyone in Crimea who cooperates with the occupation forces can legally be considered as an enemy of the state and possibly terrorist. So clearly, any so called Ukie terrorist (as per Saker) actually acts legally. But unfortunately it’s not only the territories that have been illegally appropriated by Russia but the whole history has been hijacked by Moscow including the baptism of Rus and Prince Vladimir himself. The true historical Russia, the cradle of the Russian civilization, is the Kievan Russia and if any part of the “Russian world” should be regarded as renegade and schismatic it is certainly Muscovite Rus not Kievan Rus. There is no doubt that the future official change of the country’s name from Ukraine to something more appropriate will bring a lot of clarity to those issues.
Absolute nonsense. Don’t you have anything better to do?
@nevernopleme
If you’re looking for some significant, easy money don’t post your preposterous rubbish here where the overwhelming majority won’t have any of it. Look up The Crimea platform where they’ll remunerate you for this very kind of Russophobic hogwash. If you can keep up ”the good work”, you might even get rich and famous.
The case of Crimea is outside international law. An uncivilized Ukrainian minority (or majority) hoping for prosperity based on the Western values of the original acquisition of capital. So by robbery, selling family silver, fraud and setting up such a suitable government in a way that they can only come to power in a coup. A NATO base in Crimea would be a knife to the Kremlin and the Russian Federation, Russians and all nationalities in the Russian Federation. A mortal danger that no international law can justify. Under the same international law, Russia had the right and almost the obligation to attack Ukraine and physically eliminate the pro-Nazi movement in Ukraine. Ukraine in its current form exists only because Russia considers Ukrainians its brothers and does not want to implement “international law” in its hard version. Regardless of the Ukrainian “adultery” with the West, Ukraine can be happy to exist at all. And otherwise the law is not enforced according to the laws as they write, but according to the interpretations of the law. Interpretations of the law by which laws are actually enforced are long readings full of details.
Under international law it is illegal for one country to interfere in the internal affairs of another. That is stated clearly in the UN Charter. In the Budapest Memorandum, which so-called “Ukrainian nationalists” love to sight so often, the US and Russia guaranteed to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity as well as its sovereignty and promised not to interfere in its internal affairs. When the US organised an illegal coup in 2014 and supported terrorists to violently overthrow the country’s legitimate and democratically-elected government, and even picked who the new Prime Minister would be, they violated international law as well as Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Anyone who serves that illegally-installed regime or cooperates with it can legally be considered as an enemy of the state and possible terrorist.
A government which came to power in a foreign-organised illegal coup, does not have the right to punish anyone else for supposedly breaking the law or violating Ukraine’s sovereignty. What, they decided that now they’re in charge everyone has to follow the law again, even though they broke it themselves to achieve power in the first place? If it was ok for them to illegaly overthrow the government and murder unarmed police officers they can’t suddenly now lecture everyone else on the importance of following the law. As a result of the coup in 2014 Ukraine no longer has laws. Matters are decided by the barrel of a gun. Whoever has the biggest group of armed men wins. That’s what happens when you decide that the law doesn’t apply to you and that you’re going to seize power by force. Other people do the same thing and it ends in civil war.
The term “Kievan Rus” was invented by a Russian historian in the 19th century to differentiate between modern Russia and the original Russian state which was dissolved following the Mongol invasion. It was a “Moskal” who invented the term which “Ukrainian nationalists” have now hijacked to claim that Ukraine was the original Russian state and that modern Russia has nothing to do with “Kievan” Rus. Before the 19th century it was simply referred to as “Rus”. Nobody used the term “Kievan”. He picked the name “Kievan” because Kiev was the capital and biggest city for most of its history. The original capital was Novgorod, which is in modern-day Russia, and Pereyaslavets (in modern Bulgaria or Romania) was also its capital for awhile. Nobody claims that Bulgarians are the “true Russians” and that “Moscow” stole their history. The Rus state was originally set up by Vikings from Scandinavia who ruled over a mostly Slavic population in what is now northwestern Russia. Over time they intermarried with local Slavs and adopted a mostly Slavic culture.
They eventually expanded further south and conquered Kiev, which was controlled by Khazars, who were a Turkic tribe who converted to Judaism. They then moved the capital to Kiev since it was the biggest and most important city under their control. The Grand Prince usually ruled in Kiev while his heir would rule in Novgorod (the second most important city and original capital). Vladimir the Great was originally ruler of Novgorod but eventually conquered Kiev from his brother Yaropolk. He was converted to Orthodox Christianity by the Greeks. Modern “true Ukrainians” who speak the “Ukrainian” language follow the Greek Catholic religion, a religion which didn’t even exist in the time of Rus. The Rus were originally pagan and later became Orthodox Christians. They were never Catholic. Poland was Catholic. And of course Poland later occupied western Ukraine which is why the people there now follow the Greek Catholic religion, a strange mix of the Orthodox and Catholic religions. They were pressured by Poland to abandon their traditional Russian religion and language, and adopt the Polish religion and language instead. This is why all linguists outside Ukraine say that the “Ukrainian” language is actually just a mixture of Russian and Polish. It’s no more native to Ukraine than the Greek Catholic religion is.
If people like Oleg of Novgorod or Vladimir the Great were alive today, you would be calling them “Moskal occupiers”. They invaded Ukraine from Russia and took over Kiev by force. But now you’re claiming that they were actually “Ukrainians” even though Ukraine as a country didn’t even exist at the time. Oleg had never even been in Ukraine before he invaded it. Apart from Kiev, almost all of the other major cities in Rus were part of modern-day Russia. Novgorod, Smolensk, Ryazan, Tver, Rostov, Suzdal etc. are all in modern day Russia. Kind of strange for a “Ukrainian” state. Most of Rus territory was in modern day Russia, not Ukraine. Belarus was also part of Rus at the time. Maybe they can claim that they are the “true” Russians and that Mongols from Moscow and Khazars from Kiev stole their identity as the “white” slavic descendents of Rus. You see every country can play at these stupid games claiming other countries achievements as their own and insulting their neighbours.
I’m not even from a Slavic country, I’m an Irish Catholic. It’s sad that people like you are so ignorant of your own history. But I suppose that’s what happens when every media outlet that doesn’t support the anti-Russian agenda of the Zionist Jews who rule over you is banned. You only get a completely dishonest and manipulated version of history which suits the agenda of the people ruling over you. Orwell was right when he said: “who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past”. So much for freedom of the press, one of those core “Western values” they always go on about. And as for so called “Ukrainian nationalism”, I recently read in a paper written by a Jewish university lecturer in America that Ukraine and Israel are now the only two countries in the world to have both a Jewish President and a Jewish Prime Minister. So Ukraine went from having a Ukrainian President and a Ukrainian Prime Minister to a Jewish President and a Jewish Prime Minister. That’s a strange kind of nationalism.
“legally Ukrainian Territory” ?? Not by a long shot. Always Russian “territory” and Kruschev (who was Ukrainian) transferred administrative responsibility (Illegally) for Crimea to the governing authority for Ukraine within the USSR. Thus Crimea was able under its own laws (not Ukraine laws) to have their referendum (which they did) and resolved quite legally to return to Russian administration. Annexure of land, change of borders or transfer sovereign ownership occurred except in the minds and deeds of the “West + Illegal occupiers of Kiev.
Sorry. Missing No before Annexure.
If the Russians – or rather the Russian state is as smart as I think and hope it is, it will not do exactly that: namely, “respond in any way,” especially not “direct attacks on SBU/GUR facilities and/or individual commanders,” “authorize covert sabotage/killing operations against Ukraine.”
Notwithstanding this, the “problem of Ukraine” urges a timely solution, because the situation there is not getting better in many respects.
Among other things, the German experience shows that the people are hardly capable of a turnaround on their own, especially not when the erroneous path taken seems hopeless….
(It is always the same: Organized violence is all the more paralyzing the less reason is behind it….)
@Humml
The timely solution is already clearly in the making: Deindustrialization and depopulation, eventually leaving the Ukronazis with, at most, Galicia as their territory (to be defended against Gównopolska, Hungary, and Romania). The problem of ’Ukraine’ is subsiding on its own with less and less people available to participate in any Nazi activism. I’d say it’s game over as of 7 years already.
That is exactly the problem – apart from the increasing ideological poisoning:
A completely run-down Ukraine.
The disintegration of the “Russian” economic area is the real geopolitical catastrophe, especially for those who have changed “camps”.
Originally they were economically and culturally a supporting part of something “bigger”, today they find themselves as a “worm’s appendix” (of Europe or the USA).
This loss of importance leads to compensatory needs, which can be observed for example in the Baltic States and of course in Ukraine.
Therefore, they will continue to drone on with moronic nationalistic bluster just to keep this simple truth below the “horizon of consciousness”.
And such stories often develop an irreversible momentum of their own, apart from the fact that getting a ruined Ukraine back on its feet could be a damn expensive business, not to mention the legal problems when the country is largely in the hands of foreign “investors.” So-called “land grabbing” is a popular game that is likely to come to Ukraine.
But the real Howler is the Outlaw US Empire has no more money!!!: “Treasury Reiterates Warning US Government Could Run Out of Money to Service Debt By October.”
Just another BigLie, although a squeeze play is beginning in China that might just cause the music to stop and the bubble to pop. Do read what Alastair Crooke wrote:
“But this time, Beijing has resolved that this kind of subjugation (opium or gaming addiction) will never be allowed to happen again. Xi doesn’t want a society of gamers, he wants a society of engineers, scientists, doctors, and innovators; the sort of people who can ensure that Beijing wins the technological race, and gains the upper hand in the struggle with America. In so doing, he is mobilising the strongest principles of collectivism versus the individualistic nature of western societies, where kids pretty much do what they want. This is a new era of socialist reform, one that is highly ambitious, and unequivocally radical. A fascinating experiment.
“Predictably enough, the West is focussed more on the ferocious property squeeze underway in China. Outright contraction of the sector – it is being said on Wall Street – might occur, even before the end of the year. Indeed, Xi Jinping is deliberately breaking the back of the world’s biggest financial bubble (and it is huge). This crunch comes at a delicate juncture for the West, just as Covid stimulus fades, and emergency support is yanked away. There is a fear that it might precipitate cascades within fragile western economies. It might. But in any event, Xi’s initiative will likely serve purpose in Washington’s scarlet letter ‘blame game’.
“The point here however, is that Xi deliberately is designating clear national goals – and formulating strategies to achieve them – through explicitly eschewing westernised informational and technical managerialist (non)-solutions. He is challenging the key tenet of the managerialist paradigm.
“If the acute phase of the delegitimization of the managerial class was only ‘just beginning’ in the era of Brexit and Trump, now, with Afghanistan and Xi’s declaration of ‘war’ on disorderly capital, it is indeed ‘impossible to miss’.” [My Emphasis]
Xi’s shotgun has two barrels, one loaded with the above shell, the other loaded with the new requirements for navigating the South China Sea. All previous promises of support will vanish the instant either one of those triggers is pulled.
Meanwhile, people residing within the Outlaw US Empire won’t ever learn what’s in store because first, they’re too busy gaming; and second, only the business media’s reporting the issue.
“Final bill?”
You mean nuclear war, don’t you?
What a monumental “fubar” that will be by the cretins who control the world’s most dangerous military force from the city named after the honorable George Washington. How they do besmirch his name and his intentions with their pathological hubris.
Dear Andrei
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I wish it was not for some ‘European’ goal and context, but that’s the one: falco cherrug indeed!
Thanks again!
So what I am saying is this: under international law, the Ukraine has launched acts of aggression launched by the top levels of the Ukie state[…]So far, neither the LDNR nor Russia has authorized cover sabotage/killing operations against the Ukraine. The reasons for this are numerous, but this might change in the future and when that happens, the Russians will have a full dossier of evidence, not just vague (and not even credible!) “official suspicions” against “terrorist countries” or “counties which harbor terrorists” like the US pretends to have before striking.
If the evidence proves the acts of terrorism were state sponsored, or worse, directly carried out by the state, isn’t that an act of war? If the evidence clearly shows CIA+MI6+Mossad+SBU+NATO carried out any terrorist attacks then under international law the Russian Air Force has the legal right to saturate those host countries with Zircon & Kalibers, no?
Yes, state terrorism is a form of “international aggression” which can constitute a casus belli
OK, one more time. I’ve stayed out of this latest thread, been sick as a dog. Feel better this fine morning to here’s back at you.
Russia did not ‘take back’ The Federal City of Sevastopol or the Autonomous Republik of Krimea. We, The Citizens, did. When Krushchov gave The Administration, and only The Administration, of The Autonomous Republik of Krimea to Ukraine SSR this action was against Soviet Union Law, Ukraine SSSR Law and Autonomous Republik of Krimea Law. By Law, the citizens had the right, and the Duty, to vote on such a change. This vote referendum was not offered and never performed. Ergo that entire process was, is and will always be illegal.
Nowhere in any of these documents and procedures was The Federal City of Sevastopol mentioned. NO WHERE. Not even Krushchov had the will to annoy Sevastopol or the citizens thereof, but what the heck, SSSR was forever, wasn’t it. Well, it wasn’t, and in the turmoil of Russia falling apart in the early ’90’s SehSha’s nasty and grabbing little paws were in the mess trying to grab the future home of the American Black Sea Fleet….Sevastopol. I have read their documents and negotiations with the orcs, in English and prepared by Americans, as to who would do what, with which and to whom. The locals fought Kiev and SheSha tooth and claw the whole time but you didn’t read of it, did you? All of North Side, the jewel of Sevastopol, was to be Little USA, little SehSha. All of Radio Ghorka region was to be cleaned out of locals. Most of Severnya next to Radio Ghorka was to be cleaned out of locals all the way north to Lubimovka and east along Ulitsiya Bogdanova to past the Russian Navy Nuclear Institute. Main SehSha Fleet HQ was to be in the Spetznaz base located at the intersection of Ulitsiya Levanskogo and Ulitsiya Simonka.
So, come the illegal and SehSha financed coup d’etat in Kiev of late ’13 early ’14 and SehSha is licking her chops in anticipation of it’s plans coming to fruition. Morning of 23 February 2014 there was a legal, approved and documented Sevastopol Citizen’s Meeting in Naxhimov Square in Sevastopol City Center. During this meeting the local Kiev appointed government was put out and a citizen’s government installed in it’s place. There is nowhere in any law of Sevastopol that said we, the citizens, had to instantly obey a ‘new’, foreign installed and Illegal government in Kiev….and we didn’t.
Next morning, 24 February 2014, 19:00 Channel 5 in Kiev, owned by Petro Poroshenko, the ‘leader and winner’ of the coup d’etat, there was a live TV interview. This interview was viewed by half the citizens of this island and this city and by 09:45 the entire citizenry of both entities knew of and had viewed what was said.
In this ‘interview’ the two ‘commanders’ of all the death and fire in maidan square in Kiev, Oleg Tyagnibok, leader of ‘Svoboda Party’, an avowed Nazi organization, and What’shisface Yarush, the leader of Right Sector, another avowedly Nazi organization (don’t worry, they cleaned their web sites three days later…..too late, everything was already copied ad infinitum and recorded), clearly and distinctly stated: “We will bring our combined forces of 5500 fighters down to Sevastopol and Krimea. We will put every Russian to the knife and make your streets run red with blood to teach you how to be ‘proper ukrainians’.”
My wife is Russian. Our children are Russian. Our City is Russian. All our friends are Russian. And you’re going to do what? By noon 24 February 2014 we were locking up the orcs in their lagers, bases and aerodromes and blockaded what little of their ‘fleet’ that could from time to time move under it’s own power in a base near Yevpatorya on the west coast of the island, conveniently using the hulk of a not completed in 15 years orc destroyer sunk and laid on it’s side so the orcs couldn’t get out.
In essence, both defacto and de jour, we The Citizens of Sevastopol and Krimea took down all the Kiev installed ‘government’ and installed our local government entities. Reality is The Citizens took this city and this island by both local and international law, not that we cared a whit, you want to put my children to the knife, you want to put my wife to the knife, you better pack your lunch, bring all your friends and make sure there’s a note pinned to your shirt on where to send your body if we don’t simply toss your carcass in to the welcoming arms of The Black Sea, The Russian Black Sea.
For those of you who so often stridently scream ‘Russia annexed Krimea!! Russia annexed Sevastopol!!’, do knock off the screams and tantrums, it ain’t true, we the citizens did it. Mother stood back and watched the first few days to make sure what she thought would happen did happen…and Mother smiled as she sent in her Polite Young Men in Green….to back up us who were already armed to the teeth and lurking in the shadows near the orc lagers and bases, almost daring the orcs to harm a single hair on the heads of our civilians, our grandmothers and grandfathers locking the orcs up. You want them ‘back’? Shucks, just arm up, gather a few orcs from north of the border and come get us. We’re waiting for you…….
Auslander
Author http://rhauslander.com/
An Incident On Simonka paperback edition. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1696160715 NATO Is Invited To Leave Sevastopol, One Way Or The Other.
Never The Last One, paper back edition. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1521849056 A deep look in to Russia, her culture and her Armed Forces, in essence a look at the emergence of Russian Federation.
Our Republika Srpska Krajina in today Croatia was inhabited by 90% Serbs. RUSSIA actively along with “PARTNERS” militarily and politically supported Croatian fascists and allowed them to totally ethnically cleanse the territory of all Serbs. If the fake Russian brother was so adamant regarding the so called international law and maintenance of the borders drawn by communists why then Russia do not live up to the same principles when it comes to Ukraine.
This thread was started in regards to incidents in Sevastopoleh and Krimu which are frequent, although passing mention was made of other incidents and events. Having been in Republika Srpska during those times I’m well aware of what happened before, during and after the tragedy. However, if you want to twist this thread around to that subject, it won’t happen. Why don’t you give your thoughts on that classic tragedy and send it in for publication?
Auslander
@Auslander, unfortunately no matter what you say or write, the western media will continue to lie and not report the facts and there will always be trolls to follow them…
What you describe is explained here:
Crimea. The Way Home (with subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t42-71RpRgI
ps: I spent time in Crimea with some of the people in this film and they all confirm what you said.
Some videos with ongoing construction in Crimea:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7053310.html