I will begin this SITREP by re-posting the video of the interview made by Ukrainian TV by phone with a solider of the Ukie forces in the so-called “southern cauldron”. Please make sure to press on the ‘cc’ button to get the English subtitles:
Speaking of videos, the I wanted to point out that the video I posted yesterday of what appeared to be Grad systems firing a Ukie forces from inside Russia included the voice of the person filming it who was saying “this is how much fun it is in the city of Gukovo – the Grads are firing” so unless this is all a fancy setup, it appears that it was shot from inside Russia.
This morning Russian TV has shown footage of wounded Ukie soldiers who sought refuge in Russia and who were dispatched to various regional hospitals. So even though the western corporate media and politicians and, of course, the junta in Kiev are remaining completely silent about all this, there is overwhelming evidence that the Ukie forces in the southern cauldron were completely routed resulting in a collapse of the Ukie battle plan.
Poroshenko’s surprise
Do you remember how Poroshenko promised that if the Resistance did not surrender at the end of his truce he would go to ‘plan B’ which would be a big “surprise” for the Resistance? Well, what exactly his surprise plan was supposed to be is now obvious: the Ukies used the week of the so-called ‘truce’ to concentrate practically the entire Ukrainian military along the perimeter of the Resistance frontlines. Then, the Ukies attacked with an overwhelming superiority in numbers in Luganks and Donetsk. The plan was clearly to draw as many Resistance forces away from the southern part of the combat area and to then swiftly move Ukie forces towards the east and northeast along the Russian border to basically surround the Resistance forces and cut them off from their resupply lines from Russia. How in the world the Ukies seriously believed that the Russian GRU would ever fall for that is, frankly, beyond me. I have no facts to back the following assertion up, but having a pretty good idea of how the GRU works, I am absolutely certain that a) the GRU has agents on all levels of the Ukie hierarchy b) that the GRU has recon units everywhere in the combat zone c) that the 6th GRU directorate intercepts every single electronic communication in the eastern Ukraine d) that Russia is using its airborne and space assets to monitor every inch of Banderastan and finally e) that Strelkov and Borodai are working 24/7 with GRU liaison groups. What I saying is that it was pure folly to expect that the planned envelopment movement right along the Russian border would ever take the Resistance forces by surprise. And, of course, it didn’t.
Putin’s “surge”
During the past two weeks or so there were more and more signs that the Resistance forces were suddenly ‘finding’ more and more military equipment, more and more volunteers were coming across the border and that even some very heavy equipment began to literally pop-up ‘here and there’. Of course, the Resistance declared that all these were trophies taken from the Ukies, but never gave any specifics. One more thing also “surged” from Russia: money. In fact, so much money appeared “out of nowhere” that Strelkov and Borodai could announce that they were pay pretty good salaries to those who would join the Resistance forces. The effect was apparently sufficient to delay, and possibly even cancel, the idea of declaring a full mobilization and conscription. It is likely that while the junta and its western allies did have a general sense that these accursed Russkies were up to no good, they probably did not realize the magnitude of this change the main consequence of which was the Strelkov apparently had enough men and resources to repel and attack in both Lugansk and Donetsk while at the same time trapping and destroying the “surprise” force the Ukies sent to envelop the Resistance.
Strelkov’s own surge
But this is not the full story yet. Something else of immense importance happened during the past couple of weeks. There is more and more evidence that a certain number of key people in the Donetsk-Lugansk area were conducting very discrete negotiations with the junta in Kiev to strike some kind of deal. The two figures most cited in this context are the oligarch Rinat Akhmetov (who more or less owned all of Donetsk) and the Mayor of Donetsk Alexander Lukianenko. A third figure possibly implicated to some degree in these behind the scenes negotiations was the chief of Novorussian Security Service and commander of the famous Vostok Battalion Alexander Khodakovsky, though his role, assuming there was one, was either minor or non-committal, as we soon shall see. Finally, there is some pretty good evidence that a toxic mix of Russian oligarchs and Kremlin insiders (those I call the “Atlantic integrationists”) were also in the loop. What their final plan really was we will probably never know (after all, they were busy negotiating it), but some kind of semi-surrender of the Donbass was clearly its key feature. So we could roughly identify two camps on the Russian side:
a) Russian oligarchs, some Kremlin “Atlantic Integrationists”, the Mayor of Donetsk, Khodakovsky and a few Russian intellectuals such as Kurginian.
b) Russian security services, the Kremlin “Eurasian Sovereignists”, Borodai and Strelkov plus a few Russian intellectuals such as Glaziev.
All the plans of the first group completely collapsed when Strelkov, in a surprise move for everybody, suddenly withdrew from Slaviansk and appeared in Donetsk with a large contingent of heavily armed fighters. The Mayor Lukianenko feld to Kiev, Kurginian was given a most hostile “reception” and was almost arrested, as for Khodakovsky, he lost his position of Chief of Security but retained his position as commander of the Vostok battalion. As for the oligarchs in Moscow, they could only watch in abject disgust how Strelkov, Borodai and Antiufeev (respectively in charge of military, political and state security affairs) – all men with strong connection to the Russian secret services – were giving a joint press conference in Donetsk. Clearly, the Russian secret services and Putin’s “Eurasian Sovereignists” have won again: the plans for a surrender were scrapped and those in favor of such plans either replaced or demoted. All the Novorussian forces were brought under a single command (Strelkov) which restored the sacro-saint principle of Russian warfare “единоначалие” or “unity of command”. By the time Poroshenko sprung his “surprise” Strelkov and Putin were fine ready.
The Ukie collapse
I am still unsure about many details, but at this point in time, the tally seems to be as follows: the forces sent to the southern cauldron have been practically wiped out, possibly with some artillery support from across the Russian border. A column of Ukie forces made it to the Lugansk airport, but with huge losses and with no further plan other than to resist as long as possible. For all practical purpose, this force is “out” in an operational sense (even though its mere presence remains a threat to the Resistance which will have to allocate enough forces to contain it). I am most unclear about what exactly happened to the Ukie force which attacked Donetsk. My understanding is that it fought itself into a stalemate against the Resistance and withdrew to regroup and reorganize. So with the exception of the forces sent to the “southern cauldron” the Ukies did okay tactically, but on an operational level the Poroshenko surprise resulted in a complete failure.
The predictable reaction in Kiev and Washington
Though neither Kiev or Washington have admitted their latest defeat, in fact they did not even mention it by a single word, both capitals reacted by doing what they do best: the junta lashed out at the civilian population and engaged in a vicious and systematic artillery strikes campaign against civilian neighborhoods while the USA announced yet a new round of sanctions against Russia. As for the European “great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies” (to use the words of Boris Johnson, Mayor of London), after spending a week saying that they were opposed to sanctions, they showed their usual prostitution, obeyed Uncle Sam’s command and also adopted a package of sanctions. When asked about these latest sanctions Putin could not dismiss his contempt for the US Administration:
As for sanctions, they usually have a boomerang effect, and without a doubt will force US-Russian relations into a corner. This is a serious blow to our relationship. And it undermines the long term security interests of the US State and its people. It is regrettable that our partners have chosen to impose new sanctions, but Russia will not close doors to negotiations. We’re open to finding ways out of this situation. I really hope that common sense and the willingness to resolve all issues through peaceful diplomatic means will prevail.
The measures taken by the US administration towards Russia, in my view, contradict the national interests of the United States. This means that, for example, large companies wanting to work in Russia after facing certain restrictions will lose their competitiveness compared with other global energy companies. We gave an opportunity for the largest US company to work in the Arctic shelf. So what, the States does not want it to work there? They are hurting their biggest energy companies. And for what? In order to, after making one mistake, insist on making another? This is, at very least, an unprofessional approach. Sooner or later, such methods of solving international problems will have to change, but the damages will have to be written-off as losses for those doing it. I would like to say that unfortunately, those who plan foreign policy actions in the United States (this is not a recent observation but one pertaining to the last 10-15 years) are conducting an aggressive foreign policy and, in my view, a rather unprofessional one, because whatever they do, there are problems everywhere. Just look: there are problems in Afghanistan; Iraq is falling apart; Libya is falling apart. If General el-Sisi had not taken control in Egypt, Egypt would probably be in turmoil now as well. In Africa, there are problems in many countries. They touched Ukraine, and there are problems there as well.
So while Putin did not overtly call the Obama Administration stupid, he did call it incompetent and unprofessional. The Russian Foreign Ministry also chimed in and added that the USA had imposed new sanctions because:
The events in Ukraine have not developed the way Washington scripted them. The outrageous and groundless desire to blame Russia for the civil war in a neighboring country, which was caused by a deep internal crisis and already resulted in the loss of many lives, proves that the US and its clients in Kiev have failed to pacify the wide public dissent. We’ve said on many occasions that speaking the language of sanctions to Russia is pointless, regardless of their scale. This path won’t lead to any positive outcome. Those who believe in their own exceptionalism and claim the right to dictate their will to the world will be deeply disappointed. If Washington intends to ruin the Russian-American relations, it’s on their conscience, we won’t tolerate blackmail and reserve the right to retaliate.
I personally have no hope at all that all these appeals to common sense and even basic self-interest will have any impact on the US elites which have basically forgotten the subtle art of negotiations and who apparently sincerely believe that they can bully anybody into submission. The problem is that Russia is not in the least afraid of the US or, even less so, of the EU.
Right now, the sanctions are “kinda” working. Some Russian companies have had their stock go down and there are some signs of capital flight – but this is mostly speculative capital. Capital invested in Russia has not – and, really, cannot – move out. Sure, the Hrivna is kept artificially high by western banks, but for how long can they sustain this worthless currency? Even more ridiculously, Standard & Poors managed to, I kid you not, upgrade Ukraine’s credit rating from “negative” to “stable” because of the $17 billion bailout loan from the IMF. Yes, that’s right. There are some folks out there making a terrific salary saying that when a bankrupt country engaged in a civil war get a loan its credit rating becomes better, not worse, if even the borrowed money is used exclusively to fund that civil war and pay the Ukie oligarchs for their “contribution” to the war effort. Amazing…
The Russian response
During his tour of Latin America Putin spoke with the leaders of countries which represent more than half of the population of the planet. He signed a nuclear deal with Argentina, military contracts with Brazil, agreed to forgive 90% of the Cuban debt to Russia and re-open the Lourdes intelligence center on Cuba. So much for “isolating” Russia. But even more importantly is that the BRICS countries, following the example of Chavez’ ALBA bank, agreed to created a common development bank with the equivalent 100 billion dollars in capital. To put things simply, the BRICS are gradually off-loading the dollar reserves while creating their own version of the IMF, but this time with real development, not imperialism, as a goal. The beautiful photo of the 5 BRICS leaders all joining hands and grinning together was a clear message to Obama: you cannot isolate Russia or, for that matter, any of us.
Internally, Russia needs to actively pursue the program of “sovereignization” which Putin mentioned many time while keeping up the struggle with the “Russian 5th column” (also Putin’s choice of words). Sovereignization requires a major systemic restructuring of the Russian economy and industry: more money must be made available at much lower interest rates than now, companies should be, how shall I put it, “convincingly encouraged” to repatriate their money from foreign and off-shore accounts (this can be done by, for example, only allowing companies incorporated in Russia to bid for government contracts), foreign non-western investment must be further encouraged (especially from China) and the Russian industry needs to be actively developed and diversified and the military industry must be made self-sufficient. The goal is not some kind of Russia version of juche, but the gradual disentanglement of the Russian economy from the western (primarily European) one. Asia, Latin America, India, Africa – these are the partners and friends Russia is seeking to develop.
As for the Russian 5th column, it is not so much the overt pseudo-dissidents a la Nemtsov or Kasparov, but some oligarchs and their agents inside the Kremlin whom I call the “Atlantic Integrationists” (Medvedev, of course, but also a good chunk of the current Russian government and Kremlin advisers). The good news on this front is that the US policies towards Russia and the war in the Ukraine are giving Putin and the Russian secret services a perfect opportunity to turn the public opinion against these circles which, in turns, allows Putin to reduce their numbers and influence. Still, while these circles do not currently have the means to take action against him, they still hate Putin who would be well advised to always keep at least an eye over his shoulder as there are still a lot of traitors (what else should they be called?) in the Russian elites. These are, for example, the forces behind the current anti-Strelkov campaign lead by Kurginian and the anti-Putin campaign lead by pseudo-patriots who accuse him of having “sold out Novorussia”. Now that the military tide has been turned, at least provisionally, these pseudo-patriots are taking a time off to recover from the shock and define a new Putin-bashing strategy, but they will be back at it very soon, of that we can be certain. Several well-informed observers have indicated that the next bashing campaign will probably be directed at Strelkov who, in the eyes of these pseudo-patriots, is what the French call an “empêcheur de tourner en rond” which can be very loosely translated as “party pooper“, “spoilsport“, or “killjoy“: he is the man who crashed their behind-the-scenes attempts to make a deal with Akhmetov and the Kiev junta, he is the man with all the power in Novorussia, and he is the man who closely works with their worst enemy: the Russian secret services. His current popularity makes him untouchable at the moment, Kurginian completely failed in his attempts to smear him, but a war is the ideal setting to find a reason to smear a figure like Strelkov and they will definitely come up with something to get to him and, through him, to Putin.
A provisional conclusion of sorts
Where do we go from here?
First, we should not let the recent victories overwhelm us with a premature sense of optimism: this war is very far from over. For one thing it is pretty clear that the Resistance does not currently have the means to go on the counter-offensive and free the rest of Novorussia from Nazi occupation. Second, we can be darn sure that the US/NATO will dramatically increase their military, political and economic support for the junta in Kiev. I would not be in the least surprised if the US decided to send a group of retired US generals to replace the stupid Ukie generals who designed and implemented Poroshenko’s “surprise” plan. Also, the Ukies might regroup and launch another attack, this time (correctly) concentrated on either Donetsk or Lugansk (probably the former). So again, this is very far from being over, in particular because history shows that civil wars are not ended by a peace treaty, but by the victory of one side over another.
Just as I was writing this last sentence I saw a report that a civilian aircraft was shot down by somebody in the vicinity of Donetsk. So who done it? Here are some very preliminary thoughts:
First, the Ukies already did that once when they shot down Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 not deliberately, but out of their typical and total incompetence. Second, the Ukies had just announced that the Russians had shot down a Ukie SU-25 (which Russia denies, but which is quite possible), and I could see some Ukie smart-ass deciding to “retaliate” against a “Russian” aircraft. I don’t see how the Resistance could be involved as it probably does not have the kind of missiles needed to reach a typical civilian airliner flying at a typical cruising speed and altitude. The Russian most definitely do, but they also have a well-integrated air multi-layered defense system which should have immediately identified the aircraft origin and ID even if, say, the transponder was malfunctioning. By the way, this also means that the Russians have the radar track of both the plane and the missile which hit it. My guess is that junta controlled forces did it, probably by mistake, but that this will be hard to prove as all the western “experts” will “cover” for Kiev and blame Moscow, and Moscow will blame Kiev, possibly with the recorded radar tracks, but that the “international expert community” will dismiss that as a “Kremlin orchestrated propaganda ploy” (don’t you love the canned sentences used by the western media?). I sure hope that this was not some kind of screw up by the Russians (this is always possible, as the sad stories of TWA 800 or Aerolinee Itavia Flight 870 have shown.
Stay tuned, I will try to continue to keep you posted, and don’t forget the “donation”: button on the left :-)
Cheers,
The Saker
UPDATE: come to think of it, the Resistance did get its hand on a Ukie base with some Buk missile systems so, alas, we cannot conclude that it *could not* have been them who down the MH17. My first guess is that the Ukies did it, but unfortunately it could have been any actor involved in the war.
Man interviewed on BBC say “normal procedure in this region (including Ukraine) is for black boxes to go to Moscow accident investigation unit”. A very good thing, but the west will have a chance to say some alteration is done there. It was also reported that VP called Obama with information on last transmission of the aircraft. Apparently the handover to Russian air traffic control had not taken place.
We can hope that if Kiev was behind this they did a very bad job of it and will be exposed.
Il Discobolo
The responsability, in Full, to what happened to the Malaysian flight above Ukraine belongs to the Ukraine Air Control.
The Air Controll have the responsability of any aircraft flying in his region. An aircraft is monitored and directed to maintain an assigned course and altitude. It is informed promptly to avoid possible collisions and of adverse weather conditions. Within those duties, there is also to inform of dangerous area to fly over, and also to establish forbidden areas.
For instance, no civil aircraft is flying over Syria, as, in the recent past, above Lybia, and until recently above Irak (now they pass but…).
Why the Ukraine control centers have not closed to civilian flights the skies above Donetsk and Lugansk knowing:
– they are combat areas
– there is military air activity (of their own aviation) opposed by antiarcraft defences
There is no doubt, then, that the primary responsabiliy lies in the Ukraine that failed to assure safe airways to passing aircrafts forbidding dangerous zones.
As a reinforce to what said, Ukraine was/is meddling about air safety above Crimea where there is no risk at all on its skies.
So they (ore their sponsors) know the matter….
Irony apart, perhaps EU accepting santions to Russia would calm down the Empire and let the rest of the World have some Peace. But the real problem is about US dollar, the Empire want us not to abandon it, but they would not stop the printers, so who is at fault?
Not-We,
I am 100% certain neither you nor any other American have had any problem whatever saying “We” any time our political, economic, military or Olympic “team” did something of which you were proud even though you yourself had nothing whatever to do with it except living here and paying taxes.
Externalizing the control now that things have gone way, way wrong — blaming Liberals, or Conservatives, or The Government — is frankly no more than a way of avoiding personal responsibility. And that’s where most everyone in this country is stuck right now — blaming someone or something else.
But in fact, we’re all in this together and you can’t solve a problem until you really, truly define and take ownership of it. Not one of us non-front-pagers has done a thing to stop this mess in Ukraine, and we haven’t even started to figure out how we might. It’s much, much easier to whine about “The Government” or (even more mysterious) Deep State, bluster about armed revolt and/or blame it on gun nuts, sexual perverts or whoever else lives on the other side of The Great Totebagger-Teabagger Conflict — and perpetuate the problem exactly as Our Lords And Masters have trained us to do.
Anonymous 18:18
No the normal route enters Ukraine south of the Poland/Ukraine/Belarus border point and exits Ukraine to cross the south-west half of the Sea of Azov. The route is sometime a little further south taking it over north-east Crimea. It certainly does not cross the eastern Ukraine/Russia land border. On the most northerly of these routes, the the crash point at Torez is still 200 km off route. This is based on actual routes logged by the FlightAware website which records position, direction, speed and altitude information transmitted in real time by the aircraft as a matter of course by all modern normally operational commercial airliners.
FlightRadar24 is another useful flight tracking site. I think its coverage is better than that of FlightAware, but it has been down for some time today. Possibly due to overload by those looking into MH17? Possibly deliberately DDOS’d?
@Anonymous 17 July, 2014 18:08
GCHQ literally has the capability to take over any internet resource, and replace it with what appears to be genuine content
No, not GCHQ nor the CIA/NSA nor the FSB nor anybody else, unless…
You are stupid enough to use Cloudflare to “protect” you from DDOS attacks which they do by serving YOUR content from THEIR servers and as such can spoof whatever they want you to “say”!!!
This is why I do not trust ANY site using Cloudflare like rusvesna.su
quote “Only two days back, Snowden revealed GCHQ ability and willingness to use the same psy-op tricks that the British used during WW2 when they regularly took over the Nazi airwaves, and broadcast seemingly genuine Nazi programming.
Today, one must assume that ALL posts on the Internet seemingly linked the resistance of Novorussia to the shooting down of the civilian plane have been placed there by GCHQ agents. This includes seeming statements of ‘guilt’ from named resistance leaders. GCHQ literally has the capability to take over any internet resource, and replace it with what appears to be genuine content. “
england is the centre of evil which msut be sorted out -no pussyfgooting around it .
how long will world go on toelrati ng that pIrate island?
4th June, 2007.
President putin is wrong when he says that russia should or will target the missile on europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Europe.
Russia must target (rather than should) the nuclear missiles with multiple war heads against all the cities, towns and big villages( including military instalations) of england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
look how Germany wes vilified soon after fall of soviet union-look how russia is being vilified immediately after Putin made russia strong.
in fact it was not America but england which asked for ABM againstt Russia. BBc spy journalists were harassing presidential candidate Gore not to go ahead with Florida recount on ground” ally like britian want to conclude AMB deployment in Yorkshire as soon as possible so there should be no delay in govt. formation.in other word accept fraudulent win of bush for sake of england ! “
-such is the evil propaganda of British spies inside america. .
poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards.
itis no use targeting Poland -target the main villain which is england and the english race which m ust be annihilated from the face of the world.
quote “What if the target was Putin?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-rebels-find-black-box-full-mh-17-update
Putin’s plane may have been target of Ukrainian rocket: Interfax
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s plane crossed route of crashed Malaysian plane near Warsaw, Interfax reports, citing unidentified person in Russian aviation service.”
I would not be surprised if putin is that stupid to go through polish air space.Russias are that loser not very clever =not able to knwo who their real enemies are.
@ Everybody,
Those who remember Malaysia and IMF.
Mahathir Mohamad the then PM refused IMF to come out of Asian Financial Fewer. His Finance Minister, Anwar Ibrahim was dead against him.
Mahathir Mohamad won without IMF enslavement.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Anonymous 18:39
“the way [putin use the words parnters and freinds show how weak he is.”
I presume you adhere to the ‘shoot first, look at hole in foot later’ school of thought.
Putin and Russia want to have normal peaceful trading relations with partners for mutual benefit. The US wants to destroy Russia and maybe the EU too.
Why on earth should Putin do exactly what the US (and you apparently) think he should do so they can run their pre-determined ‘destroy Russia’ play?
The resistance will be consolidating gains despite the false flag. No cease fire will be offered or negotiated. Novorossia will be declared an international terrorist organization by the US. No reason to bring in NATO, US special/black ops will come into the theater in full force. Kiev is on the verge of the next coup, without western intervention.
Interesting, the world has seen one too many false flag, now on the internet, the lifespan of a false flag is less. Burned out by 911 and MH370. This is like a PR op for the US and a temporary reprieve for Kiev, but if the west starts to intervene with heavier military/intelligence support, Russia will match them step for step. The final destination of Novorossia is at a minimum, a heavily armed front line for Russia. If the US really wants to create a mini-Banderastan in Lvov, let them, it will be expensive. Expensive in many ways.
Most interesting report on RT suggesting that Putin’s flight may have been the target http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
Not-We @ 17:26 wrote:
“Please stop writing about “we”!”
Thank you a million times over. As I’ve said to others, if you want to blame yourself for the actions of the U.S. leaders, go ahead. They’ll be glad to let you take the blame. Meanwhile, don’t include me. U.S. psychopaths made their decisions despite my input.
Thank you again.
ЛНР: Малайзийский Boeing-777 был сбит украинским самолетом Су-25 (LNR: Malaysian Boeing 777 was shot down by a Ukrainian plane su-25)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/17/696078.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/17/696078.html
“In the press-service Lugansk people’s Republic stated that the Malaysian Boeing 777 was shot down by a Ukrainian plane su-25.
“The witnesses who observed the flight of passenger aircraft of the Boeing 777, witnessed the attack on him attack aircraft of the air force of Ukraine. After that the passenger plane was split into two parts in the air and fell on DND. After the attack Ukrainian bomber was shot down and fell on LNR in the red Beam. At the moment we are searching for downed aircraft”, – is spoken in the message of the press service, reports the RT…”
Очевидцы: Перед крушением Boeing в небе видели боевой самолет (Eyewitnesses: Before the crash Boeing in the sky saw combat aircraft)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/17/696090.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/17/696090.html
“Eyewitnesses reported that before the catastrophe Malaysian Boeing seen in the sky combat aircraft.
“The plane has launched several missiles, they exploded somewhere in the sky. Immediately after this there was a loud clap or explosion. After a few seconds, we started falling debris,” said local residents, reports RIA “Novosti”.
Now a field near the village with wreckage of the plane, including large. In the yards of the local inhabitants got a lot of small fragments…”
вот так
Any definitive confirmation?
“Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov was assassinated Wednesday, two days after he fired hundreds of police in Donetsk for siding with pro-Russian separatists.”
I should have provided the Additional Information with regards to Climate Change, that it is Deforestation which causes Climate Change.
We see this Proven with the Sahara Desert, which used to be a Tropical Rain Forest, with Rain Forest Climate of plenty of Rain , with Many Rivers and Lakes.
The Sahara Rain Forest became the Sahara Desert due to Human Activity of Deforestation, and it now has Desert Climate.
The World needs to use Oil and Gas that does not affect any Forest, rather than Palm Oil Plantations, which are putting the Entire Planet in Danger.
The same is true of Shale Gas, which severely harms the Environment on Man’s only Home, which is this Planet, and this is why the Cleanest Sources of Natural Gas should be used rather than Shale Gas, and the Greatest Danger to Earth’s Environment is Nazi America.
(…)where cc button, 17 July, 2014 16:43
The CC button is only visible in the YouTube version!
There the CC-Button is 2th button from the left, and it read CAPTION when you move your mouse over it.
To those asking, atimes.com has been offline since about 9am yesterday morning PST.
IMO, there’s no way any respectable civilian pilot would fly anywhere close to a combat zone’s airspace. The capability to electronically hijack aircraft has existed well before 9/11 and was likely used then and again today.
Why is Malaisia punished? Here is the partial answer
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/
Haag is still quite about this case………….
Obviously there is another connection with uncle Sam in a way “We will show you that who is the boss here”!
Why above the Ukraine? To make a bigger chaos and create the environment that they must to investigate????Get the foreign investigators on the ground.
The MSM media are giving information just from the Ukie site. Why exactly abow Donetsks, just to give the blame on Russia.Almost everyone is laughing on the daily news the Russia is to blame even that we have a hot weather or flood and similar comments.Just make a Russia be on stage every single day if we want or not.
Some of the avaition experts are questioning why the airplane went on this unussal route? It looks like it was diverted remotely like MH370 and crash the plane on the exact spot. It sounds like a movie, but by using the latest technology is not a big deal to execute the plaine as it was. Very similar stage like 9/11.
Cheney was expecting some big event like 9/11,no surprise here.
I read that I am not the only one with problems to log in http://www.atimes.com
This is very worrying. I hope the “masters of the universe” do not block the Saker s blog too. If they do it I do not know what to do.
Where is the exact point the “hit” happend. When this point is clear the reasons could be narrowed down (the weapons that could hit the aircraft at that point).
The big problem I see is, that ukie didn´t need anti air waepons because the rebels don´t have an airforce.
That is a though spot to get out argument wise. The rebels are now on full media defensive. In germany some experts have called for more actions. The pressure to act against russia rises.
The question is what could russia do to release the pressure ?
Saker,
Let’s for the moment assume the worst, that the Resistance dunnit. This whole thing still smells worse than a four-day-old fish.
We have three identical planes, one that disappeared completely, one known to have been sitting on an Israeli tarmac and one that a) used a dramatically-different flight path that makes no sense given its destination, b) was seen being escorted into a war zone c) from which all flights have been officially banned and then d) also disappeared from the radar.
Do we even know for sure this was a real flight, with real people on board?
Диспетчер из Борисполя: Перед крушением Boeing сопровождали два истребителя
(Manager from Borispol: Before the crash Boeing was accompanied by two fighter)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/17/696092.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/17/696092.html
“Before the plane crash Malaysian Boeing was accompanied by two fighter, said espanoly the air traffic controller working at Kiev airport “Borispol”.
A message he left in his microblog.”
https://twitter.com/spainbuca
(trans)
“Carlos. @ spainbuca · 44m
Airspace is closed over demolition for fear
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 46m
Closes airspace
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 51m
The fighters flew about 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 53m
Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way to timoshenko orders
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 57m
Military ukraine confirm that he was, but still does not know where the order came
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 59m
Interior Minister if he knew that the fighters were in the area, the defense minister not.
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 1h
Here the military commanders who manage and support to other military orders, could be, but no, the pro-Russian
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 1h
In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control also
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 2h
At 7:00 minutes the demolition was notified later the tower was taken with our foreign staff still here q
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 2h
Just disappear aircraft B 777 Malaysia Airlines kiev military authority informed us of the demolition, as you know?
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 3h
Yes kiev authorities want to tell the truth, I picked this 2 fighters flew very close minutes before, not shooting down a fighter
✈ Carlos. @ spainbuca · 3h
The plane flew B 777 escorted by two fighter ukraine until minutes before disappearing from the radar,”
вот так
Considerably off yesterday’s path
Yesterday it went over the Azov Sea:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140716/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
See KLM yesterday between those two airports, even further south
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM809/history/20140716/1850Z/EHAM/WMKK
Path today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
Dear Saker
I have mentioned a couple of days ago in your blog that there was a possibility that the American could shoot Putin’s airplane.
There is record, but one must search.
Now, we don’t know the truth but for sure the next time could be V.V.P.
In that case the Americans will be Scot-free.
Croat and Russophile
@
“No cease fire will be offered or negotiated”
Boroday have offered 2-3 ceasfire, so investigation at crash site could be done.
El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares, Translated from Spanish by Bing B 777 aircraft flew escorted by 2 fighters from ukraine until minutes before disappearing from radar,
And Kiev freaks are now calling for NATO to intervene because of this plane. If this is not false flag operation by Kiev nazis then I don’t know what it is.
El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,
Translated from Spanish by Bing
B 777 aircraft flew escorted by 2 fighters from ukraine until minutes before disappearing from radar,
Absolutely brilliant synopsis
Obama and Sec’y of Perpetual War Kerry are Kindergarteners compared to Putin
Sanctions might be a blessing in dis guise to get the vampire capitalists out.
Hopefully Putin will use energy contacts to divide the US Oilygarchs like Exxon to go against American foreign policy. Obama is a lame duck, they could rope a dope him until 2016
Before I came here I remember Putin saying, “once you abandon Russia, we will never let you back in”
Irregardless of the BRICS bank Russia is #1 energy producer in the world.
Too big to avoid if you want to see the long term. Since fracking is at most a ten years windfall for the US and LNG is a pipe dream (ha ha – pun intended)
Winter is coming (Game of Thrones anyone?)
http://www.atimes, 17:26
Yes also in the Netherlands
Does anyone else’s propaganda-detector go off when looking at some of these pix at the scene?
http://en.ria.ru/photolents/20140717/190991301_9/Malaysia-Airlines-Boeing-Crashes-in-Ukraine.html
They’re just too perfectly-staged — note the cross, for gosh sakes. And if this thing were pre-planned (regardless of who shot it down, it’s still dodgy as hell), of course a big part of the planning would be pictures designed to have as strong an emotional impact as possible. Otoh, those flight instructions sitting there remind me of nothing so much as Mohamed Atta’s Miraculous Floating Wallet…
maybe some more light on crash: https://twitter.com/spainbuca
Spainbuca, the Spanish flight controller at Kiev Boryspil reports 2 fighters close to MH17 before it was shot down/exploded.
Irrespective of what happened to MH17, the following questions need to be asked.
Was the air traffic control tower blown up? If so, by whom and when?
Why was the aircraft so far off route?
Why was it allowed into airspace closed at least 3 days ago by the Ukrainians?
Why did the Ukrainians not warn the aircraft it was off route?
Did the Ukrainians intercept the aircraft using these two fighters?
Did these aircraft shoot down MH17 hoping to blame Russia (directly or indirectly)?
Believe little of what is being published of this event.
With the black boxes in the hands of Russia (militia) the truth off the flight will come out.
Meanwhile, hope there is no ceasefire.
This is the lifesaver thrown to the Army of Ukies getting destroyed.
For whoever needed word on Avakov being assassinated, he’s not dead or wounded and the story was a fabrication, like the two paratroopers in Russia.
Lots of fairy tales in the air over Ukraine.
What is interesting is less than two hours before this tragedy of the airliner, in the exact same area, another Ukie transport plane was shot down and the militia bragged about it on social media.
So what’s going on? Did they shoot another transport? Was it before this plane went down?
There’s a value to trusted truth telling and the militia needs a reliable source outlet or it will get played all over the Internet.
I’ve been examining a video of the transport crash black smoke. It looks quite different from the black smoke after fireball of airliner video crashing to earth.
But it’s all tealeaves in a wet clump.
Listened for four hours to RT. They are ridiculous.
Better to see the military moves, because in the end, that’s what matters. Militia has to stay on the grinder and destroy the Ukies day and night.
So the aircraft was 200 km off route, flying in airspace closed by the Ukrainians because of the threat of missile strikes, escorted through most of the route by Ukraine military aircraft, only for them to leave well before the end of the closed airspace. It all sounds like a pre-meditated setup to blame the destruction on the militia.
Was the aircraft shot down by an air-to-air or ground-to-air missile? Both types would be within the capabilities of the Ukies. Only the latter is even a possibility for the militia.
This scenario of deliberate setup resulting in the death of innocent people is sufficiently cynical and vile that it is a shoe-in for the CIA and its proxies.
Believers be ready, be strong and be right with God.
We come close.
atimes.com down for me too! maybe server issue? Mayb not!
Nora; the crash photos are real; Federalist soldiers all over the place giving horrible accounts of body parts strewn about. No doubt it happened, but who pulled the trigger is the question…seemngly Kyiv!+
Dear The Saker,
As mentioned at the end of my last post about keeping an eye on Israel:
http://rt.com/news/173700-netanyuahu-ground-operation-gaza/
They have now been ordered to start ground operations…..
Rgds,
Veritas
Larchmonter445…thanks! Call me Nardami
Nora said…17 July, 2014 20:00
“Does anyone else’s propaganda-detector go off when looking at some of these pix at the scene?
http://en.ria.ru/photolents/20140717/190991301_9/Malaysia-Airlines-Boeing-Crashes-in-Ukraine.html
They’re just too perfectly-staged — note the cross, for gosh sakes.”
The “cross” is a telephone pole. The crash site is definitely not “staged”, but the shooting down certainly was. The propaganda response from the ZPC’s fascists has all the pre-planned hallmarks of the rest of their false flags.
One thing that probably went wrong for them was the crash site is not in territory the banderivtsy occupy. It’s fairly certain they also wanted to control the crash site and get a hold of the black boxes so they could spin further evidence of Putin’s Hitlerian evilness.
вот так
zero hedge appears to be down. The front page is there but the articles and the comment sections cannot be accessed. Also the comments on the guardian site are getting deleted almost instantaneously.
The hysteria is building up. The pentagon analysts are claiming that it was Surface-To-Air Missile. The false, prepared in advance “evidence” against Russia and the rebels will be offered to the clueless, gullible TV consumers of the west and the NATO will march “united” once again. I’m sure Russian analysts saw it coming.
The blame game is on. German language media and (probably hired) posters are full of “proofs” that the seps have shot down the airliner, offering evidence like this screenshot:
http://p5.focus.de/img/incoming/origs3999434/5143569524-w467-h462-o-q75-p5/screenshot.png
Unfortunately I don’t speak russian and can’t understand what it says. The magazine/poster says, that strelkov had admitted, even boasted, at vk to bringing down the airplane…. can someone look into this, please ?! Thanks, Andreas, Vienna
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/17/putin-us-sanctions_n_5594722.html
There was NO MH17 flight! There is only one direct flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur and it’s number is MH5631/KL0809, not MH17. It departs at 20:50 CET and does NOT fly on Thursdays. Please check on klm.com or other malaysiaairlines.com.
This is a psychological operation (psyop). The intent is to create a justification for direct NATO involvement in the Ukraine civil war.
The wreckage may be part of the MH370 plane that supposedly went missing and was redirected to Diego Garcia.
Why on earth would the Federalists or Russia commit such an unnecessary act
The desperation of the Fascist collapse and the sanctions make Ukraine a more likely false flag desperate attempt to attach this to Putin to squelch his successful charm offensive
Makes mo sense they things were progressing
Plus forcing reluctant business entities to abide by the sanctions
Read up on the Lusitania. This smells similar.
I don’t believe in coincidences regarding Malaysia Airlines either.
Remember the US deep state does what it wants, Obama is a mostly powerless figurehead.
Read up on the Lusitania. This smells similar.
I don’t believe in coincidences regarding Malaysia Airlines either.
Remember the US deep state does what it wants, Obama is a mostly powerless figurehead.
To clear up some confusion the Ukranian airspace was closed only up to 10,000 m. Above that it was allowed for airliners to fly.
European air traffic policy decided that it would cost too much fuel to completely close Ukranian airspace.
Also the US asked that airplanes
completely avoid Crimea, for “technical” reasons having to do with unclear air traffic control jurisdiction (Kiev vs Moscow) due to unrecognized national status.
Covered here (shameless plug to my blog):
http://spreadanidea.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-downed-airliner-background-info-theguardian-com/
Yonatan said to “Ananymous”:
“Why on earth should Putin do exactly what the US (and you apparently) think he should do so they can run their pre-determined ‘destroy Russia’ play?”
Well said Yonatan!
HEAR ! HEAR!
I saw in many places, along with this blog, that Russia reopened their intelligence facilities in Cuba. But I’m reading from Putin that they didn’t :
http://eng.news.kremlin.ru/news/22683
And another question: there have been reports that we are returning to Lourdes. Is that true?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Not, it is not. We did not discuss this. […]
REMARK: Thank you. Too bad about Lourdes, though.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: No, it is not too bad. We are capable of resolving our defence issues without this component. We shut down this centre on agreement with our Cuban friends, and we have no plans to resume its activities.”
Any definitive assessment ?
Two questions:
1) Earlier this evening I read this on RT …
A source in Russia’s federal air traffic agency Rosaviatsia has said that three days ago Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council closed the airspace over eastern Ukraine because of the so-called “anti-terrorist operation” that Kiev conducts in the region.
Earlier a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said that civil aviation planes could not fly over Donetsk and Lugansk regions. He added that all necessary traffic control and navigation equipment was damaged.
… which, if true, means that no civilian airliners should have been using this route for the past three days. Is there any evidence that international airlines have received and obeyed the Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council decree? And if so, what was it that led MH17 astray? An oversight? Deliberate ‘exposure’?
2) Some have suggested the Boeing 777 could have been mistaken for an Antonov transporter of Ukrainian air force. But I don’t think is a credible explanation. First of all, what would an Antonov transporter do at such an altitude over the supposed target area? And secondly, given the altitude, the speed and the direction the plane was heading, where was it going to land? Shakhty? Nah, this doesn’t make any sense at all.
If it turns out the Boeing 777 was downed by a missile from the ground then I think there’s a possibility that this was done deliberately and knowingly to serve some nefarious political ends … and who would have an interest in this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696389/That-blast-look-smoke-Sick-boast-laughing-rebels-saw-MH17-hit-missile-hours-leader-boasted-We-warned-not-fly-sky.html
To show the depths of western media depravity in their lies, this Daily Mail article claims Strelkov personally shot down the plane (ridiculous on its face) and then bragged about it on twitter (he doesn’t have a Twitter acount).
re: plane down. Yes, I had trouble accessing atimesonline today also. Yep, got to watch the use of “we” and remember “not in my name” when the intelligence cabal running foreign policy does this or that atrocity to protect “us”.
Putin called Obama today. You can be sure that this part of the Ukraine has been watched closely and that the intelligence service of Russia knows exactly what happened to that plane.
Anyway, Putin called for a truce and talks as he has been doing for weeks. Obama did not say much. Looks like CIA got caught with its britches down because they are dealing with incompetent operatives.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489878810066972672
Military command here (control tower) confirm that the missile is from the Ukranian Armed Forces.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489879578941620224
The way they took over the control tower within minutes, knowing already all the details, made us realize it was they who’d done it
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489879886660919296
The expression of the military who arrived later, asking But what have you done? did not leave room for doubt
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489880329961111552
The corruption is such that the military who arrived first accompanied by foreigners went as far as asking us to give their version
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489880571536244736
Our reply was: these radars don’t register the shooting of any missile. Military radars do. There were no more doubts.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489880947874336768
The military report indicates where the missile came from. Saying this is not known is false
Only 1 question comes to mind; cui bono
Saker said: “Right now, the sanctions are “kinda” working.”
Wall Street Journal, July 3 2014
Even With Sanctions, U.S. Sales to Russia Hit New High
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/07/03/even-with-sanctions-u-s-sales-to-russia-hit-new-high/
“U.S. efforts to penalize Russia for its actions in Ukraine appear to have done little to stem exports of U.S. goods to the country.” Sanctions Impact? U.S. exports to Russia hit a record high in May, despite Washington levying sanctions against the country”
Saker said:
“Even more ridiculously, Standard & Poors managed to, I kid you not, upgrade Ukraine’s credit rating from “negative” to “stable” because of the $17 billion bailout loan from the IMF.”
IMHO Standard & Poors Rating Services had to upgrade Ukraine and play nice, – like ignore the material facts:
Recall after they downgraded the U.S.A; got sued for $5 billion [supposedly over inflating rating for mortgage bonds] and are fighting /”willing to reopen discussions with the Justice Department to settle the case”…. http://online.wsj.com/articles/s-p-ratings-shifts-its-stance-on-a-crisis-related-suit-1405467753
And according to Reuters, (July 15, 2014) they have offered up to $1 billion to settle: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/mcgrawhill-sandp-lawsuit-idINL4N0PR08O20140716
Malaysia AirLines Flight MH17 crashes or shot down?
Pray for the souls taken.
If reported by Itar-Tass is true that Kiev closed the airspace over Donbass to commercial traffic 3 days ago, it is incomprehensible no one in Netherlands got the Memo.
Commercial Flights Impossible in Ukraine’s east as infrastructure destroyed
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741192
DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.
“Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.
Anon Mongoose
Andreas:
Unfortunately I don’t speak russian and can’t understand what it says. The magazine/poster says, that strelkov had admitted, even boasted, at vk to bringing down the airplane…. can someone look into this, please ?! Thanks, Andreas, Vienna
Strelkov is busy running a rebellion, not playing on social media like the worthless American President or Ukie MIA Arsehole Avakov. The vKontakte page Strelkov-Info is run by private enthusiasts as a news gathering source.
Saker said: “Right now, the sanctions are “kinda” working.”
Wall Street Journal, July 3 2014
Even With Sanctions, U.S. Sales to Russia Hit New High
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/07/03/even-with-sanctions-u-s-sales-to-russia-hit-new-high/
“U.S. efforts to penalize Russia for its actions in Ukraine appear to have done little to stem exports of U.S. goods to the country.” Sanctions Impact? U.S. exports to Russia hit a record high in May, despite Washington levying sanctions against the country”
Saker said:
“Even more ridiculously, Standard & Poors managed to, I kid you not, upgrade Ukraine’s credit rating from “negative” to “stable” because of the $17 billion bailout loan from the IMF.”
IMHO Standard & Poors Rating Services had to upgrade Ukraine and play nice, – like ignore the material facts:
Recall after they downgraded the U.S.A; got sued for $5 billion [supposedly over inflating rating for mortgage bonds] and are fighting /”willing to reopen discussions with the Justice Department to settle the case”…. http://online.wsj.com/articles/s-p-ratings-shifts-its-stance-on-a-crisis-related-suit-1405467753
And according to Reuters, (July 15, 2014) they have offered up to $1 billion to settle: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/mcgrawhill-sandp-lawsuit-idINL4N0PR08O20140716
Malaysia AirLines Flight MH17 crashes or shot down?
Pray for the souls taken.
If reported by Itar-Tass is true that Kiev closed the airspace over Donbass to commercial traffic 3 days ago, it is incomprehensible no one in Netherlands got the Memo.
Commercial Flights Impossible in Ukraine’s east as infrastructure destroyed
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741192
DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.
“Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.
Anon Mongoose
Saker said: “Right now, the sanctions are “kinda” working.”
Wall Street Journal, July 3 2014
Even With Sanctions, U.S. Sales to Russia Hit New High
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/07/03/even-with-sanctions-u-s-sales-to-russia-hit-new-high/
“U.S. efforts to penalize Russia for its actions in Ukraine appear to have done little to stem exports of U.S. goods to the country.” Sanctions Impact? U.S. exports to Russia hit a record high in May, despite Washington levying sanctions against the country”
Saker said:
“Even more ridiculously, Standard & Poors managed to, I kid you not, upgrade Ukraine’s credit rating from “negative” to “stable” because of the $17 billion bailout loan from the IMF.”
IMHO Standard & Poors Rating Services had to upgrade Ukraine and play nice, – like ignore the material facts:
Recall after they downgraded the U.S.A; got sued for $5 billion [supposedly over inflating rating for mortgage bonds] and are fighting /”willing to reopen discussions with the Justice Department to settle the case”…. http://online.wsj.com/articles/s-p-ratings-shifts-its-stance-on-a-crisis-related-suit-1405467753
And according to Reuters, (July 15, 2014) they have offered up to $1 billion to settle: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/mcgrawhill-sandp-lawsuit-idINL4N0PR08O20140716
Malaysia AirLines Flight MH17 crashes or shot down?
Pray for the souls taken.
If reported by Itar-Tass is true that Kiev closed the airspace over Donbass to commercial traffic 3 days ago, it is incomprehensible no one in Netherlands got the Memo.
Commercial Flights Impossible in Ukraine’s east as infrastructure destroyed
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741192
DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.
“Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.
Anon Mongoose
East Ukraine must have the most vigilated air space in the world. My guess: US and Russia know exactly what happened. Who’s benefiting? Only Kiev.. Russia should be very fast airing who and how downed this plane
Потерпевший крушение “Боинг” отклонился от курса (The crashed Boeing strayed)
http://lifenews.ru/news/136841 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/lifenews.ru/news/136841
“For an unknown reason the pilots decided to change the direction of flight over Ukraine.
Malaysian Boeing 777” deviated from the course of tens of kilometers just before they fell near the border of Ukraine and Russia. Three days ago the same flight Amsterdam – Kuala Lumpur flew over Eastern Ukraine on a special air corridor for civil aviation.
Modern programs available to everyone, allow you to track the movement of civilian flights. Any user could see strange circumstance: July 14, flight MAS 17 flying across the Donetsk oblast is far to the South.
July 15, were again recorded only a slight deviation from the normal trajectory in the sky over India. And on Wednesday the plane was flying, as usual, through Germany, Poland and for Ukraine a lot further South than on the day of the disaster.
on July 17, as shown by the tracker flights, the aircraft first flew through areas of active hostilities. Respondents LifeNews experts claim that any such modification of the route to be agreed with the Supervisory authority. In Ukraine it is called “Aeromeh”. In this Department have not commented on the disaster, which killed hundreds of people…”
The video shows the flight paths used on 14, 15, 16 & 17 July. One can see that the 17 July route was a huge departure of the others. Obviously, it was to bring the aircraft over Novorossia to be shot down by banderivtsy forces. Likely the actual shooting down was American or Israeli commanded and run.
вот так
internet sleuthing….
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fvoicesevas.ru%2Fnews%2Fyugo-vostok%2F2961-sbityy-malayziyskiy-boing-777-post-obnovlyaetsya.html
Comment about the flight pattern of MH 17 in the previous days – was different. Odd indeed.
Has anyone also looked at the flight pattern of the Indian Airlines that was in the same area. Was this any different to previous ones?
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/mh17.html
Friday, July 18, 04:15 AM SGT +0800 Statement by Prime Minister Najib Razak: Malaysian Airlines flight 17
Yesterday evening, I was informed of the terrible and deeply shocking news that a Malaysia Airlines jet went down in eastern Ukraine.
Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that the jet was Malaysia Airlines flight 17, which was on a scheduled flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
The flight departed Amsterdam at 12.15pm, local time. It was scheduled to arrive in Kuala Lumpur at 6.10 am, local, Malaysian time.
The aircraft was a Boeing 777-200.
The aircraft’s flight route was declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation.
And International Air Transportation Association has stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions.
Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that the aircraft did not make a distress call.
The flight was carrying a total number of 295 people – comprising 280 passengers and 15 crew members.
Malaysia Airlines is in the process of notifying the next-of-kin of the passengers and crew. All possible care will be provided to the next-of-kin.
The Government of Malaysia is dispatching a special flight to Kiev, carrying a Special Malaysia Disaster Assistance and Rescue Team, as well as a medical team.
According to information provided by Kiev Air Traffic Control, the location of the plane’s emergency locator beacon is 48 degrees 7 minutes and 23 seconds North; and 38 degrees 31 minutes and 33 seconds East.
The Ukrainian authorities believe that the plane was shot down.
At this early stage, however, Malaysia is unable to verify the cause of this tragedy.
But we must – and we will – find out precisely what happened to this flight.
No stone can be left unturned.
If it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators must swiftly be brought to justice.
Emergency operations centres have been established. In the last few hours, Malaysian officials have been in constant contact with their counterparts in Ukraine and elsewhere.
And I will be speaking to a number of world leaders over the coming hours.
I have had several conversations with the Prime Minister of the Netherlands.
I have also spoken to the President of Ukraine. He has pledged that there will be a full, thorough and independent investigation, and Malaysian officials will be invited to take part.
The Ukrainian president also confirmed that his government will negotiate with rebels in the east of the country, in order to establish a humanitarian corridor to the crash site.
Just now, I received a call from President Obama.
He and I both agreed that the investigation must not be hindered in anyway.
An international team must have full access to the crash site.
And no one should interfere with the area, or move any debris, including the black box.
This is a tragic day, in what has already been a tragic year, for Malaysia.
As we work to understand what happened, our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of those onboard the flight.
I cannot imagine what they must be going through at this painful time.
The flight’s passengers and crew came from many different countries.
But today, regardless of nationality, we are all united in grief.
ENDS
The transmitter location is just north of a swale in a farm field 1000 ft. directly west of the main street through the village of Krasny Luch on the same bearing. The location is around 9 miles northwest of the center of Torez.
This airplane downing stinks the false flag.
As proof, all my posts stating false flag get censored on the UK Newspaper The Guardian, this is a rule of thumb that it is what I state it is, a false flag, to internationalise the Ukraine conflict and blame Russia.
Maybe worse, even a Putin assassination attempt.
It is very easy for AWACS to hijack the radio comunications from control tower, and divert the airplane over the territory where they would have prepared the ambush. Don´t forget AWACS has been patrolling the sky over Poland for a couple of months already. The imagination of CIA has no limits.
according to Carlos, 2 Ukie fighters (cazas voleros) were on the airliner’s tail up to 3 minutes before it went down. his civil radar cannot detect missles but he seems sure missle(s) were fired (from the fighters)./..lots of displeasure amongst miltary with Porky..they prefer Timoshenko…and a coup is underway. Nardami
https://twitter.com/spainbuca
One thing nobody has brought up [as far as I know] is the fact that international flights have at least 1 [armed with small caliber pistol] ‘Air Marshall’ on board. So, what did this person do when MAS flight 370 veered off course [08 – 03 – 2014]?
FYI, there’s an alternative way to get into the cockpit.
Cui bono?
if there was even a remote chance of attack on putins plane then it tells how much bolder the evil anglos empire has become in last few years. could they have dared to think about doing this to even a junior misnter of brezhnev let aloen to brezhnev?
that tells how much honour and respect Russai haS LSOT BY BEING TOO CONCILAITARTY TO TYHE ANGLOS PIRATES. WHEN PUTIN KNEW 3 YEARS AGO EVEN BEFORE ELCTIUON HOW MUCH ANGLOS WERE PLOTTING AGASINT HIMA ND RUSSIA THEN WHAT MEASURES HAS PUTIN TAKEN EXCERPT TO bootlick the anglos?has he strenghtend the armed forces as rapidly as he should have-. what about bulava missiles? for example. putin wasted last 2 years just trying to justify himelf to his anglo enemies.
Video of AN 26 getting shot down by AA cannon fire.
Hence the confusion and the bragging …. which has been picked up the US as a guilt for shooting down the airliner..
So 3 hypotheses are probable: 1. Kiev’s fighters (spainbuca) 2. Kiev’s BUKs 3. The dissappeared MH370 rigged with explosives and blown up remotely.
Cryptome warned about global “war in July” starting I believe…
@ Andrew
Thanks for your help. I know that Strelkov is a busy man and that he has no time posting on “facebook”.
But from your answer I conclude that you think, that the vk account is “legitimate” (no psyop).
The novorussians seem to have denied that they possess Buks and were able do down an airplane flying at this height (which would obviously be a lie and german language media reports are harping on it…) Andreas
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/
“Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de Ukraine”.
Commanding military here ( ATC) tower of control, confirms that the missile is from the army of
Ukraine”.
“Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden”
Military confirms that it was from Ukraine, but it continues without knowing from where the order came”.
вот так
The quality and framing of those photographs look very professional to me — how many pix have you seen from anywhere in the Donbass since this war started that were so well done? And yes, I know it’s a telephone pole but the angle from which that picture was taken is redolent of Golgotha. If you take away the content, it’s actually a beautiful picture. There were plenty of other angles but only a pro would know how to do that, or particularly care enough to bother; anyone else would just be taking snapshots. Don’t you think it’s a bit odd that someone with that kind of skill just happened to be nearby at precisely the right time? And how many black boxes were there? Meanwhile Anonymous 21:01 is claiming there was no MH 17 flight and seems to have some pretty good data backing up that claim…
It’s some kind of black-op and quite clear neither Russia nor Novorossiya had any reason to do so. In fact, if I had a magic wand I’d create well-armed individual babysitters for each one of all those people running around there now “inspecting” etc. etc. Cui bono indeed.