Interesting news this morning: Khasan Zakaev, one of the terrorist which organized and executed the 2002 attack against the Dubrovka theater in Moscow and an aid to Shamil Basaev was arrested in Crimea when he tried to enter from the Ukraine with false documents.
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I very much doubt that Zakaev wanted to visit Crimea to enjoy the beautiful sights, sample the local cuisine or to relax on the seashore. Not coming from the Ukraine. Not with fake documents. In fact, I would argue that it is pretty darn obvious that if he took the huge risk of entering not just any Russian territory, but a highly monitored and secured one, he was there on a mission.
Considering the quasi-official Ukrainian support for Wahabism in Chechnia, it is also superlatively likely that the SBU knew about this mission and, at the very least, gave its tacit support for it. After all, since members of the Ukrainian Rada did openly support the recent terrorist operation in Grozny, and since a former commander of the Azov death squad and now Member of the Rada openly called for the murder of Ramzan Kadyrov, it only makes sense for the Ukrainian Nazis to be sending Chechen Wahabis into Russia to commit more terrorist attacks.
Beautiful, no? The US, the EU, NATO and their allies are now openly supporting a Nazi-Wahabi alliance against Russia.
Ramzan Kadyrov always calls the Wahabi terrorists “shaitans“, or devils. I think that this also fully applies to the rabid Ukrainian Nazis. But if we want to be logical here, shouldn’t this apply first and foremost to their masters?
Was the late Ayatollah Khomeini not absolutely spot-on when he spoke of the “shaitan-e bozorg“, the “Great Satan”?
Would “Hizb-Shaitan” (Party of the Devil) not be an accurate descriptor for the AngloZionist Empire today?
The Saker
Hiz Shaitan, yes, that’s how I call them. And that’s not an image, it’s a truth.
Abdelnour
No.
The Russians may want to try him in Moscow for the Theater attack.But I think he should be turned over (at least first) to Kadyrov for “questioning”.Something tells me he might have interesting information to reveal.And Kadyrov seems the perfect man,with the motivation,to make sure he reveals it.
Uncle Bob
The news keeps getting worse. Did you see that Russia just lost Cuba?
I know, I know… people are going to reply to me it’s not done, blah blah blah.
Well, I’m telling you it’s done. Today’s historic announcement means Russia has lost Cuba as an ally.
So much for writing off their debt a few months ago.
@EVERYBODY
Guys, post like
“no”
or
“I’m telling you”
are not very helpful. I would request that your arguments be a) fact based and b)logically presented. If not, we will end up tossing bumper-sticker slogans at each other and I don’t want that.
Thanks,
The Saker
Cuba is not lost. Russia could not do anything useful with it unless they want to learn baseball the right way (Cubans are expert at it, better in modern training than Americans).
Russia does not want an empire, and can’t have one with an economy in the hands of the Liberals and Western bankers.
Russia will be a Eurasian power, alongside China. It will have customers and trading partners. But it can never be anything in the Western Hemisphere until the Nicaraguan canal is completed. China and Russia are involved in the project.There will have to be protection of the canal and I believe Russia and China will muscle up the defenses for the Nicas.
Clearly, China’s economy will be the power in Latin America, while Russia does Iran, Central Asia, India and Vietnam.
The Nazi-Wahabi axis goes back to WWII. Wikipedia does contain some incomplete details of Haj Mohammed Amin el-Husseini talks and agreements with Hitler, as well as description of murderous ‘Handjar’ and ‘Skender Beg’ divisions operating on the territory of Yugoslavia during WWII. More recently, the same connection has been resuscitatied in Nato’s wars in Bosnia 1992-1995 and Kosovo, 1998-1999. For some mysterious reason, Wahabis are almost perfect mercenary tool for Nato/Nazis.
Regards, Spiral
Why would Russia lose Cuba.
USA cancelled sanctions. That does not mean that relations between Cuba and Russia will change to worse.
UNCLE BOB, you said, “he should be turned over (atleast first) to Kadyrov for “questioning”.Something tells me he might have interesting information to reveal.And Kadyrov seems the perfect man,with the motivation,to make sure he reveals it.”
Uncle Bob, you’re standing on the slippery slope of torture there. Remember who you are.
Check out the small pic under the Sydney coffee shop caper–it went on so long too long in fact and was such a blatant lamely produced fraud POS that someone went out & got printed large flyer signs saying “DECEPTION FRAUDULENT”–u can read not one but two of them in the picture.
Media coverage so excessive it made unaware people question what was going on: “I live in Australia and the media coverage was off the charts. Talk about psychic driving a message. All day and all night on every channel, images shown of a cafe with reflections in the glass of a Muslim flag and people with their arms up. Even my relatives who are not awake to the evils of the NWO were questioning the rationality of the constant coverage
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/
I received lots of input from readers on this one, and one glaring problem with the entire scene was the fact that the police threw stun grenades (a large number of them) after they entered the chocolate shop. That makes no sense at all, stun grenades are always thrown before entering.
“…Obama also said that it is “clear that decades of U.S. isolation of Cuba have failed to accomplish our enduring objective of promoting the emergence of a democratic, prosperous, and stable Cuba. At times, longstanding U.S. policy towards Cuba has isolated the United States from regional and international partners, constrained our ability to influence outcomes throughout the Western Hemisphere, and impaired the use of the full range of tools available to the United States to promote positive change in Cuba. … ‘
Poor Cuba.
USAID schemes to stir up the local youth failed. So now they’re going to get advisers.
“”The policy changes make it easier for Americans to provide business training for private Cuban businesses and small farmers and provide other support for the growth of Cuba’s nascent private sector,” Obama said. “
How to use Monsanto seeds, how to steal State businesses as they’re privatised, how to impoverish the ordinary workers….
I don’t know, I don’t like referring to these people as satanists. It seems like name calling. I think the label “xenephobes” would be better and more accurate. Also, lets be fair to the Chechens. The Russian military has committed its share of atrocities in Chechnia. If the rebels are going to be labeled satanists for their atrocities the same should apply to the Russian military.
… meanwhile…
Hackers. mails between Geletay (former UKr defense) and associates of Kolomeysky. MH 17.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDmfY7DFQS0
– Хакеры вскрыли переписку министра обороны Украины,и узнали кто сбил Боинг –
@Anonymous (17 December, 2014 16:44):
No I hadn’t heard. What do mean when you say the Russians “lost Cuba”? Link, please…
Uncle Bob, you are an American and I claim my $5. Why is it you guys are so keen on torturing everyone?
Exactly the reactions I was expecting regarding Cuba. You guys are so naive.
You were just proven wrong, in a big way, about the sanctions having no impact on Russia, but you keep double-down.
It’s not that Russia can’t prevail. It’s that it’s got to be less naive and realize what it’s dealing with.
As though the U.S. just reverse a 50-year policy out of kindness…
If you’ll recall Putin had announced he would reopen Russia’s spy station in Cuba.
And when push comes to shove and the U.S. piles weapons on Russia’s western borders, it would have been nice to have Cuba has a launching pad as a deterant, regardless of whether you want to be an empire or not.
OT… PCR discusses speculation against the ruble on usawatchdog.
Still better
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Ukrainian Nazis, Natoists and Chechen Wahabis now appear to be working together
Anonymous said…
The news keeps getting worse. Did you see that Russia just lost Cuba?
You can say too
After 50 years of sanctions USA did not break Cuba..
Viva Castro, Viva Cuba…Viva revolution…
Oh yeah? ‘ impaired the full use of
range of tools available to the US to promote change… in Cuba.
I know and can mention right now half a dozen ofthis “RANGE of TOOLS” available to the most criminal state in History to promote the CHANGES their greed and domination. Be careful, donnt fool yourself,mr Raul Castro, don´t allow more than 4 embassy members in Havana.
And no military attaché whatsoever.
Jesus spoke about the “Synagogue of Satan”. It´s still here, no doubt.
I saw the Cuban Revolution inspire my generation to take arms in guerrilla movements which were controlled if not created by the CIA. We were to defeat imperialism and to create a better world. The Revolution died at its first years, a neonathal sickness, an economy of monoculture, sugar. Repression inside Cuba, extended to all Latin America by the despots payed by the AZs. The failure of the Cuban Revolution was most suitable to subjugate Latin America, compounded by the Guevara doctrine of creating “many Vietnams” which was functional to repression and to sinking the continent into continuous poverty.Political movements in the cities payed the brunt of the madness of Guevara, of defeating the Empire, by disconnected of the masses warfare in the jungle, and provocative urban warfare.So, de facto, there was an alliance between Fidel and the AZs. All the rest, is mythological hot air.
Actually the Cuba news isn’t bad at all. It means US is afraid that Russia is going to station serious weapons there, the US is so afraid of it that they now make the completely unexpected move. The US thinks Russia is so strong and dangerous that the US breaks with one of its decade-long policies. Whether this will weaken Russia’s influence on Cuba is very doubtful. The reason why Cuba survived all these years is because they have an extremely strong ideology, and they will never forget or forgive US behaviour.
I think that you are correct in your assessment there. This dramatic reversal of 50 years of USA policy is not accidental at all. The Americans are definitely worried that Cuba could be used as an unsinkable aircraft carrier for Russian missiles. Hence their sudden and dramatic change of heart. The bigger picture here is that the US has to compromise all other aspects of its imperial policy so that their war on Russia can be sustained. Their power is great but not infinite.
I believe this reversal on Cuba is part of the wider economic war against the BRICS nations. All of them have had their currencies fall and armstrongeconomics.com has a piece on it. Remember that Cuba was the largest sugar producer in the world. After the embargo Brazil became the beneficiary, there sugar exports soared. They even use it to produce ethanol, something not needed now with oil’s price dropping. Cuba will once again regain their position as a top sugar producer hurting the economy of latin America countries that also export sugar
Of course only USA matters in all this….. ABC main story is illustrated with a huge image of Cuban cigars, and first 5 paragraphs of the story are also about cigars finally again being available to Americans.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cuba-now-bring-back/story?id=27664191
Like the first complaint about sanctions in Russia was “no more imported cheese”..
So your luxuries are worth more than ordinary people being able to buy medicine?
These spoiled rotten and plain rotten children of the money should go jump and leave real people to live.
This Cuba “thaw” seems to be a “legacy” building exercise by O-boy. Just like the Iran talks that seem to be going nowhere.
In other news Canada’s prime minister is taking credit for bringing Cuba and the US together…. by letting them use a Canadian hotel room for a few meetings.
This coming from the same guy that enthusiastically attempted to block Cuba from attending OAS meetings two years ago.
you couldn’t make this stuff up….
-a distressed Canadian
REAL news going on in the bigger world today right now indicating sea changes of extreme import, while the hysteria over russia rages on:
willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/palestine-pursues-un-bid-amid-threat-of-us-veto/
willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/eu-court-orders-hamas-removal-from-terror-blacklist/
Edward Qubain said…
“If the rebels are going to be labeled satanists for their atrocities the same should apply to the Russian military”.
17 December, 2014 18:15
Ever since the very convenient 911 terrorist attacks,the USA has used Pankisi Gorge in Georgia an ex SSR sweet spot.
Training,equiping and deploying thousands of ‘freedom fighters’, some were Chechen Wahabis,you know,the ones who hold young Syrian soldiers down on the ground and saw off their head??,have you seen that??,not the UK/US fake journalist beheadings,but the real thing??.
They always occupy cities and terrorize the civilians,street fighting against such creatures involves large losses,shelling destroys buildings,which are re-built.
See Grozny before and after.
Wahabism did not originate in Chechniya,the UK/USA uses tools, are you one of their tools?.
Caveat Emptor.
Interview with NAF-volunteer by Swedish Novorossiya supporters: http://operationnovorossiya.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/interview-with-victor-alfonso-lenta-a-volunteer-in-novorossiya/
I lived once in Cuba while a child (military father) and have studied it with love for years.Cuba has wanted trade relations and diplomatic relations with the US for many years.But that’s all.They are a “real” communist country.And their government knows beyond question the US hates them.They won’t trust the US on a bet.And after seeing what happened in Ukraine.And what the US is trying in Venezuela they won’t let that happen there.Their anti-yankeeism doesn’t come from communism or Russia it is a pure Latin American variety.The greatest hero in Cuba’s history.Even more important to the Cuban soul than Fidel Castro,Jose Marti known in Cuba as “the Apostle of Liberty” warned Cubans to not trust the US in the 19th Century,”I have lived in the belly of the beast and know its entails”.Cuba wants the same relationship China has with the US,trade YES,politics NO.If Cuba agreed to this today that means the US agreed to that.And the Cubans (with Russian help I figure) will be watching them to see that there are no NGO’s and sneaky tricks that aren’t stopped.
Uncle Bob
Pedro de Hungria said –
I see lots of trolls lately on Saker’s comments section….’The sky is falling’ – ‘Russia is finished’ – ‘Donbass betrayed’ – and now these comments about Cuba, some stupid and others malicious disinformation resurrecting old CIA propaganda stories about Ché Guevara and the failed revolutions in various Latin American countries of the 1960’s. There never was any colaboration ‘defacto’ or otherwise between the Cuban Revolution and any part of American Imperialism. And as for the Revolution in Cuba itself, it has remained a true revolution from it’s triumph on January 1st, 1959 to this very day, almost 55 years later.
American Imperialism has tried everything for the last 55 years to destroy the Cuban Revolution and has failed everytime. Washington is now desperately playing it’s last card…seduction – and this will not work either. However, permitting American tourists to visit Cuba to see the Revolution for themselves will do much to overcome the malicious lying propaganda of the Cuban Mafia exiles in Miami. This tourism will also help the Cuban economy, as will the partial ending of the economic war against Cuba. How much of this economic war will be stopped is not known at this time, but the embargo will not be lifted yet and is unlikely to be by the new Republican controlled Congress and Senate.
When the USSR collapsed, the traitor Yeltsin ended all trade and spare parts to Cuba. The Revolution rode Chinese bicycles and practiced organic farming – but it did not surrender to Imperialismo Yanqui during the difficult years of the 1990’s. The Revolution in Venezuela led by Hugo Chávez ‘saved’ Cuba. Venezuelan help continued even after the CIA murdered Chávez with the Israeli cancer poison. After both the Chinese President and Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Cuba and offered economic help, Washington finally realized that whatever they did in Venezuela, it would not cause collapse in Cuba. However, those who dream of ‘Russian Nuclear Forces’ again in Cuba are mistaken. ‘Been there, done that’. Also, many things have changed since 1962 and these Russian forces are not needed for either the defence of Russia or Cuba.
Two things came together now to force Obama to change a policy that everyone recognized had failed. The ‘naive’ USAID ‘contractor’ Alan Gross (who was guilty as charged) told visiting U.S. Senators and Congressmen that he would ‘commit suicide’ before his next birthday if Obama did not do the prisoner swap that was required for his release. And since Gross was Jewish, threats of ‘American In Cuban Jail Died Because Of Obama’ headlines in the American ‘news’ media were taken seriously. The second Sword of Damocles hanging over Obama’s head was the very real threat by every single Latin American President to cancel the annual OAS meeting if relations with Cuba were not finally restored. Even Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos supported this position. When even Bogotá abandons Washington, ‘It’s All Over Now Baby Blue’. So, Obama did what he had to do. It warms my 70 year old heart to hear those miserable cusanos en exile en Miami scream. And as the last three Cuban Heroes are finally released from Amerika’s Dungeons and go home, I know that Saul Landau (R.I.P.) is smiling as justice has now been done.
Hasta la Victoria Siempre, Pedro de Hungria
you have to understand that the senate are ABSOLUTELY opposed to dropping sanctions with Cuba so I doubt whether it will happen in any meaningful way, however, the Cubans will not want to do anything to ‘rock the boat’ in the meantime, so yeah that Russian listening station would have been nice, even if only for propaganda purposes. anyway, with communications the way they are now would they even need it? I doubt it.
Penelope said:
“Uncle Bob, you’re standing on the slippery slope of torture there. Remember who you are.”
Thank you Penelope for thinking about me.But let me tell you a little about myself.I’ve studied world history religiously for over 30 years.And in my life lived in Europe and Latin America for 7 of those years.Their are only a few countries in the World I don’t know their history,culture,ethnic peoples (and they are in Sub-Saharan Africa,and only a few there).My field is/was Europe,especially Eastern Europe,Latin America,especially the Caribbean region,and Asia,especially the Middle East and East Asia. I’m not as nice a person I fear as you are.From history I’ve seen regime after regime for thousands of years rise and fall.And most all of them had faults.Some small some very large.I dislike torture on moral grounds in a modern society.But also because it doesn’t always work.The biggest problem (leaving aside the moral issue) with the US torture issue.Is they didn’t care if they got the right information.They wanted to get information of many kinds to justify their aggression in the Middle East.And because they understand so little of those societies they didn’t know what information was real or not.Because the Ukrainians are plotting direct terrorism in Russia (it appears).The Russians must find out who is working to start the attacks in Crimea.And what other attacks are planned in Chechnya,if any.I figure Kadyrov is the best man to get that information.Possibly,with his reputation he might need to just ask.
@ Edward Qubain
,If the rebels are going to be labeled satanists for their atrocities the same should apply to the Russian military.’
Rebels? You seem to have fallen into the western MSM trap.
Wahhabi ,rebels’ do not exist. They are simply terrorists quite often sent from abroad by entities/states with vested interests: spreading chaos, death and mayhem.
Fixed it for you.
CISmarkets said…
“Uncle Bob, you are an American and I claim my $5. Why is it you guys are so keen on torturing everyone?”
Now that has to be one of the stupidest things I’ve seen in a while.True the US government was exposed for the hypocrites they are over the torture issue.But in no way are they anywhere near alone there.Many,maybe even most countries have used torture.In fact many still do.Americans for all our facts are not “exceptional” there.That is one thing that we share with most countries.So you can get off your high-horse of moral outrage.In fact if you’ll post which country you are from, I’d be glad to recite some sins and stories of torture from your countries background for you.
Question is why do they do it? I know for a fact they aren’t fighting for Islam and I am pretty 100% certain that they are controlled by the USA and I am sure the “islamic” leaders/generals know under what banned they are fighting. I mean why is he in Crimea? Isn’t he suppose to be in Syria killing Muslim heretics and all the other faiths? What advantage for his ideology to attack Russia apart from doing NATO bidding?
A few good articles from Land Destroyer.
Who Created Cartoon Character “Man Haron Monis” Behind “Sydney Siege” Circus?
The “Shape-Shifting Sheik” and the “Sydney Siege”
Another embarrassing chapter has unfolded for Western intelligence and security communities in the wake of the so-called “Sydney Siege.” The suspect named by the media as “Man Haron Monis” also has gone by the names “Manteghi Boroujerdi” and “Mohammad Hassan Manteghi” and was an individual now confirmed to have long been on the radar of the Australian government, media, law enforcement, and court system since his arrival on Australian shores almost two decades ago.
Usual regurgitated dribble.
The guy had a girlfriend for (**** sake. The more I think about this the more I don’t agree with simplifying them as just Wahabis at all.
So I am pretty sure they are working for the Empire, the question is what benefit to the individual? How are they controlled? Money? Drugs? Mind breakage? Threats? I have no clue how they do it, but it is the same old story. He had dealing with the establishment and his so called faith is questionable.
This label Wahabis is oversimplified. There are plenty of Saudi clerics against wars. Majority of them are similar to anti-zionist Orthodox Jews, in the sense they stay out of politics and the world until they get the Islamic leader.
Who was the biggest supporters of the revolution in Syria and FSA? The Muslim Brotherhood, and those guys are hated by Saudi and the Saudi Clerics and consider them deviants. While the Qatar leadership loves them.
250,000 graves are meant for the casualties when Obama gives permission for Chocula to invade Crimea
Veterans from ww2 told me what war is like. They came from different countries, but they said the same things with very small variations.
This blind and crippled man with impaired hearing is in good spirits, which is good, but look at what war did to him. English subs.
War in Ukraine / Hero of Donbas “I will live, I refuse to give up”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNoQamS3LM
Spiral said…
“The Nazi-Wahabi axis goes back to WWII”
The Muslims dealing with the Nazis in that era weren’t Wahhabi.And the Mufti of Jerusalem wasn’t either.The spread of Wahhabism in most of the Muslim World came from the rise of anger at the West after Israel’s creation.Fueled by Saudi and Gulf Oil money.You might not know this but before the Muslims limited dealing with Hitler.The Zionists tried to make a deal with Hitler.Now you would think that after Britain basically gave them Palestine as a homeland they would be grateful.But when Britain refused to let them have it all (the British feared the reaction of the 25% of the Empire that was Muslim) they thought Hitler would support them if they joined in attacking Britain.Their reasoning was they had much in common with the nazis.They were both racists.They both wanted the Jews out of Europe.And they both wanted to bring Britain down.What they didn’t understand was Hitler’s hatred of Jews was stronger than his desire to bring the British to heel.When Shamir (future Israeli PM) offered an alliance,the nazis never responded.And after a while the Zionists figured out that Hitler had in mind a different “exit” from Europe for Jews than they did.So they instead started siding with the British,while the war went on.Of course that didn’t stop some of them from murdering the British Ambassador in Cairo,and bombing Arabs in Palestine sometimes.But all in all they sided with Britain until 1945 and Hitler was gone.
Uncle Bob
I have little doubt that if anything the Cubans and Russians gained from this Embassy arrangement.The Cubans released 1 prisoner and are to release another.While the US is releasing the “Cuban Five” prisoners.They are considered national heroes in Cuba.And their release has been something Cubans have wanted for years.I’m not sure yet how far this all goes on the sanctions issue.My impression was the US Congress had to be the one to cancel those.They were set up like that so a US President couldn’t just do it on his own.But I’m sure there is a lot Obama can do to tweak them.But make no mistake this isn’t some “Grand Bargain” to restore Cuba to US control.Fidel is still alive and kicking.And Raul is his brother and one of the main leaders in the Revolution.They both know how much the US hates them.And how the US would love to destroy the government there.If anything this is more like the US-China rapprochement of Nixon’s trip to China,than anything else.I figure Russia isn’t at all surprised by this.The Cubans would have discussed it with them I’m sure.They probably talked about the possibility of it during Putin’s trip to Cuba.
Uncle Bob
@ Anonymous 18:43
The Castro bros are still ruling Cuba. They have been in politics for a very long time. They know why US politicians suddenly want to play ,nice’.
They will play Obomber like a violin. They will not forget the time since 1961!
If Russia needs an unsinkable carrier, there is also another place for it: Venezuela, just a bit further on the map.
@Anonymous 17 December, 2014 20:51
willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/eu-court-orders-hamas-removal-from-terror-blacklist/
Only hours after Swedish foreign minister Anna Lindh died of several knife wounds 2003, the EU put Hamas on the terrorist list. Hours, do you hear me? Complete victory for all to see. The killer was a mentally ill serb who heard voices in his head. Anna Lindh wanted dialogue with Hamas and she was rumoured to be the daugther of prime minister Olof Palme, who was also killed by a lone assassin we are led to believe.
A couple of years ago, the US navy boasted it had transmitted orders from Allah or Mohammed to somalian pirates, making them sh_t their pants. Just saying.
Mark me down as another who thinks that this sudden reversal of American policy concerning Cuba, is due to the fact they are fearful that Cuba will be used as an offshore base for Russian missiles.
What has me personally concerned however, is that they feel the need to do this at all. For 50 years they have resolutely crippled Cuba and this move is going to generate a huge ballyhoo from US politicians and citizens alike.
Why would Obama do such a drastic thing _unless_ they are about to seriously up the ante in Ukraine? Please tell me if I’m wrong, but I cannot see any other interpretation.
This isn’t about the Russians restaffing (what for them is) a minor listening post… its a massive political and face-losing concession to avert a dire strategic move that they _know_ Russians will be provoked into taking.
@Joat,
I would make two points:
1) I am not claiming that the Chechen rebels do not commit atrocities. Rather I say, based on some things I read years ago, that the Russian military has committed its own atrocities in Chechnia. The same standards should apply to everyone.
2) The word “Wahabi” keeps being linked with the Chechen rebels, implying that they are motivated by the Wahabi ideology. However, from my admittedly limited understanding of the situation, the rebellion in Chechnia was motivated by grievances stemming from deportations during the Stalin era.
Edward Qubain said…
@Joat,
I would make two points:
1) I am not claiming that the Chechen rebels do not commit atrocities. Rather I say, based on some things I read years ago…..
18 December, 2014 00:49
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Everything you have read in Nato-Nazi newspapers about Russia is trolling and propaganda. This NATO media is not able to write one single article without trolling and anti-Russian propaganda.
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Yes Saker, I thinkparty of the devils is a good one for the AZ empire. the antiChrist is using them and their money to support all the weak souls who allow themselves to be inhabited by demons. Yes.
I agree with Uncle Bob. The president of Chechnya seems like the perfect person to hand that torturer over to. Ramzdan is a truly religious person. He can decide what’s best.
Uncle Bob, don’t be shamed by these accusations. I think its the right thing to do, to hand him over to Chechnya….don’t know if it will happen…but I’m so glad that guy was caught…and I hope he never sees the light of a free day again.
Every military has committed some atrocities, whether against civilians or prisoners. So has every secret/security police. So have some/many civilian police. Sometimes it is systemic and deliberate. Sometimes just a function of being in a position of absolute power over the other person. PTSD, drugs and peer pressure may also play a part.
And a lot of it is “we are angels and they are devils” therefore it’s ok to descend to their level to wipe them out, because they deserve it. This is what is killing the civilians of Donbass today.
I can’t count how many times I’ve seen it here, on this blog, how XXX are dreadful people (atrocity stories included) because of what their ancestors did 20 or 50 or 120 or 500 years ago to “my” ancestors. Come one people, the cycle has to be broken, and broken NOW and broken by the better people.
“Better” does NOT mean the others are evil, and certainly does not mean denying that YOUR side may have done bad things too (and without it-was-only-self-defence clauses). “Better” is admitting it, understanding how it came about, and vowing to avoid it in future. Otherwise you end up a self-brain-washed personified version of the USA.
@Uncle Bob
“Now you would think that after Britain basically gave them Palestine as a homeland they would be grateful.But when Britain refused to let them have it all”
A bit funny to discuss this in Ukraine and Wahabi article–why so many discussions here end up going that way??? But since it was raised:
No, it was not because “Britain refused to let them have it all”
Area west of Jordan (Palestine) was set as Jewish home by Balfour declaration and by the League of Nations. While Arabs got Transjordan.
British governance of Palestine was driven by British interests and fueled subsequent conflict. There were serious frictions with British administration, due to British inaction during Arab riots in Palestine in 1920, and British White Paper of 1939 restricting immigration to Palestine, thus contributing to Holocaust.
If division by Jordan River plan have been followed, we may not have conflicts we all know about today.
@KatKan # Cuba :
This seems to be about Obama’s shot to have his place in history …
@ Uncle Bob – you seem to be taking heat for moral ambiguities – people are quick with their certainties. I guess you’re up to it.
I’ve read this whole thread and my heart is still full of the single paragraph you wrote at 22:02, that seemed to me to glow with love for Cuba. I thank you for that.
@ Pedro de Hungria – you’re back. You write so rarely but I treasure your words, a voice from the south and a clear eye on El Norte. I wish I knew more about the things you write, but I share in your gladness for Cuba.
I haven’t read anything all day outside of these threads in the Vineyard, but it’s starting to dawn on me, I could take a trip to Cuba? …
Would like you to go to Jamestown Foundation, where there is an article called, “Two Battalions of Chechens Now Fighting the Russians in Ukraine.” The website is very good. Hope I can copy so all of you can paste. http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=43062&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=7&cHash=874e412f82b9c7d20847a13c3db59166
Dont’ worry about Cuba. They are forever grateful to the Russians for all they did to them. Do you think they will give up more than half a century of warm relations for a sit down with John Kerry? And they don’t think that the US is doing this to screw Russia? The Cubans are not that stupid.
Mike said:
“Area west of Jordan (Palestine) was set as Jewish home by Balfour declaration and by the League of Nations. While Arabs got Transjordan.”
The only reason Zionists were permitted in Palestine to begin with was the British “Balfour Declaration” which in its wording said Jews were allowed to establish a “Jewish national Home” in Palestine as long as it didn’t preclude the 90% of the population that at that time was Arab’s rights.Britain also promised the Arabs independence as well around the same time.But broke that promise to accommodate the Zionists.
To provide a spot for an Arab ally to rule after he was kicked out of what’s now Saudi Arabia they broke off the desert area of Palestine over the Jordan River called it Transjordan and make him King there.It had nothing to do with splitting Palestine between Jews and Arabs.That is pure Zionist propaganda they have defiled the information spaces with for years.Transjordan at the time and for many years after,until hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forced to move there by Israeli terror in 1948-49,was almost unpopulated desert.The vast majority of the Arab, and all the Jews lived on the other side of the Jordan River.The British never promised the Zionists to expel Arabs and give them the Arab lands.And never promised an independent Jewish state in Palestine.They promised to allow Jews to settle in Palestine as a national Home.Crimea is also a “national home” to Crimean Tatars,but still is part of the RF.
Mike said:
“British governance of Palestine was driven by British interests and fueled subsequent conflict. There were serious frictions with British administration, due to British inaction during Arab riots in Palestine in 1920, and British White Paper of 1939 restricting immigration to Palestine, thus contributing to Holocaust.”
Of course the British were concerned with British interests.They controlled that territory and vast other territories that were mostly Muslim as well.Once the Arabs realized what the Zionists were after (their lands) there was trouble.And as by then, still around 80% of the population was Arab,Britain had to worry about their rights and the security of their whole Empire.They tried several times to make agreements between the sides and neither wanted to accept it.The Jews wanted a Jewish State over all Palestine.And the Arabs wanted what the South Africans later on demanded,one man one vote,to bring independence.After a bloody putdown of an Arab revolt in the mid-1930’s the British were rightly terrified of another Arab revolt breaking out. Just as they were starting to fear the rise of Hitler’s nazi Germany.The Arab’s wanted a end to unrestricted Jewish immigration which was slowing robbing them of their age old homeland.No one,British,Arab,or Jewish at that time envisioned a Holocaust.Blaming the British and Arabs for that is an old Zionist trick that doesn’t hold water.The Zionist crimes in Palestine lost them that argument years ago.
Uncle Bob
@ Anonymous at 4:18,
Actually Cuba doesn’t really want to return to sugar monoculture again.And could never match the production in Brazil.It was profitable in the 40’s and 50’s because it was mostly sold 90 miles away at higher than world price (that assured the US of a sugar supply,and most sugar companies were part or fully owned by US companies).Today sugar isn’t as important in the US market as it was then.Cuba at the beginning of the Revolution wanted to do away with the sugar industry.They considered it as a sign of underdevelopment and dependence on the US.The US economic war on Cuba and the Soviets willing to pay high sugar prices convinced them it was best to stick with sugar growing.But still now times have changed.If they do expand sugar again it would probably be for the same reasons Brazil produces so much,the bagasse to make fuel from.Mineral extraction in Western and especially Eastern Cuba,tobacco and cattle farming,fishing,medical industry,small manufacturing,and tourism is what Cuba see’s as their best future.
Uncle Bob
@ Mike who said…
# Cuba :
This seems to be about Obama’s shot to have his place in history ..
He already has his place. The Nobel Peace Prize recipient who bombed more than 1 country per year of presidency.
free fall of Cuba started with liberating real estate market.
people eventually get greedy and in desire of shiny new objects.
look how Romania fell because of dallas&dynasty…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/9701469/Dallas-JR-Ewing-actor-Larry-Hagman-took-cash-from-Romanian-communists.html
this is why people are kneeling to external influence, by believing in TV…
@Uncle Bob
Few who actually lived under British rule much enjoyed it.
Palestine was not British colony for the bloody brits to govern it out of their freaking self interest. They had League of Nations mandate, and they screwed it, big time.
A shooting war would be over in less than ten days (five days in the spring -14), and then it would be peace with a free Novorossia + Transniestria + all land east of the Dnepr (with or without Kiev). And no, there will not be WW3 because the west will not go to open war with the worlds largest nuclear military just to save some nazis in Kiev.
Nic
Mike said…
@Uncle Bob
“Few who actually lived under British rule much enjoyed it.
Palestine was not British colony for the bloody brits to govern it out of their freaking self interest. They had League of Nations mandate, and they screwed it, big time.”
They had a League of Nations mandate because they put it under the League at a time the League was supposed to mean something.But even if I accept that point as a factor.The League mandate called for governing Palestine for the benefit of all its people.The 80+ percent that were Arab included.What you Zionists don’t seem to understand is that the British permitted you to settle there in the first place.Had they not issued the Balfour Declaration,a British government document,there would be no large scale Jewish settlement in Palestine.And no Israel,tormenting the Middle East today.The British would have ruled Palestine as they did Iraq and the French did Syria and Lebanon.And after WW2 it would have simply gained independence as those countries did.There would have been no anti-Jewish hatred in the Middle East and Jews would be living throughout the region as they did before WW2.But the British,for whatever reason (there are different theories on that) decided to allow Zionist Jews to immigrate to Palestine and build a “National Home” in a land at that time almost totally Arab (the Jewish population was between 6-11% depending on the time period).Instead of any gratitude Zionists as they always do thought that they should have it all.And even turned on the very people that let them in to begin with.
Uncle Bob
Grieved said…
@ Uncle Bob –
“I’ve read this whole thread and my heart is still full of the single paragraph you wrote at 22:02, that seemed to me to glow with love for Cuba. I thank you for that.”
Thank you,and you are right!
@ Uncle Bob
The mandate required “placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home. ”
While what they actually did is that they did not let them in that home; and by frequently changing sides, had both Arabs and Jews turning against themselves, as well as each other.
Just those stories how British are always for the benefit of all people and those bad Jews are always against. Reality is that British rule was for their own benefit, and left us with Kashmir and Palestine problems. (And we had seen more from that Empire lately).
@Mike:
Here is the actual reading “Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”
Allowing Jews to take over the entire country was never part of the deal.Allowing a national home is not the same as a state.The homeland of the Sorb minority is Eastern Germany but they don’t have an independent state.The homeland of the Welsh is Wales.Yet it is part of the UK.And the list could go on and no.
I definitely don’t defend the British Empire.They made a horrible mess there.But at the same time their crime was not how they ran Palestine in itself.Their crime was in issuing the Balfour Declaration.And giving settlement and partial control to outsiders,and robbing the rights of the population native to the land.They opened a Pandora’s Box that has plagued the world since then.And will only get worse.Thousands of people have died, hundreds of thousands expelled,and millions oppressed because of their hubris and stupidity.By time they realized the mistake they had made they were too weak to correct it.You are right in they never had the courage to explain to the Zionists that they were allowed to immigrate and settle but would not have independence as a purely Jewish state.And they never granted democracy to the Arabs which would have reassured them that they weren’t losing their homeland.So yes,they ended with both sides against them.
Uncle Bob
Okay, I might as well tell you the little bit I know about Cuba. At the time that Castro came to power, the US really put him in power. He was lauded by the NYT and other media as a “land reformer”, not a communist. Because US govt was helping him, he & his entourage got to stay in a big hotel w a lot of live chickens that shat all over everything.
He was the 2d or 3d person that the US had helped to power, pretending not to know that they were communists. (Was this part of providing themselves w an enemy? There were other strange happenings wherein US obviously was helping the other side.)
The only other thing I know is from my 80 something neighbor who lived in Cuba at that time. He told me that when Castro took over there were firing squads day & night for days on end, killing all the old military, etc.