The Leader of the DNR, Alexander Zakharchenko, was interviewed yesterday on the most watched talk-show on Russian TV, “Evening with Vladimir Soloviev” and when asked by the host whether the local accomplices who had made such a murder possible had been identified, he only replied “the investigation is still ongoing”. This short exchanges illustrates a couple of interesting things:
First, even though there are some who don’t want questions to be asked, these questions reappear everywhere, even on prime time TV in Russia.
Second, while Zakharchenko did, of course, blame the Ukie secret service SBU, he did not reject the notion that there were local accomplices either. All he said was “the investigation is continuing”. I bet you that this issue – local accomplices – will continue to plague the DNR leadership until and unless they come up with some credible explanation for what happened.
Third, the Russian blogger Anatolii Sharii made an excellent and very funny video yesterday about those who criticized him for asking the tough questions. Here is what he said in a video entitled “nobody forbade not to think” (with English subtitles):
All I can say is that I fully agree: if somebody prefers not to think – great! But please don’t censor others for using their brains.
Now, let’s turn to a very dangerous consequence of the current situation.
One one hand, we have the murder of a very popular military leader of the DNR and on the other, we know have the Leader of the DNR, Alexander Zakharchenko, on record making direct threats to retaliate against Ukrainian officials and especially SBU leaders. Here is what said (with English subtitles):
And yesterday, during the talk show with Soloviev, Zakharchenko went as far as to say that his forces are ready to liberate Kiev.
Now put yourself in the position of an Ukronazi leader or, better, into the position of the Kiev CIA station chief: you don’t want Minsk-2, what you want it war with Russia. Is the solution not obvious?
Organize a horrible terror attack in Kiev, say a car bomb in front of the SBU building in Kiev during rush hour, just to make sure to get a maximal number of civilians, and then blame it all on Zakharchenko and the DNR leaders, of course! And by the time the entire “civilized world” (aka the US and its NATO puppets) will denounce the latest “Russian atrocity”, launch a massive attack on Novorussia and say that the DNR forces have attacked “just as Zakharchenko predicted they would”.
Friends, this is very very bad. I cannot blame Zakharchenko for his words, he has just lost a close friend and he is understandably upset, but the fact is that this all starting to look extremely dangerous.
To make it all worse, there are now clear signs that the Obama Administration has decided to double-down (yet again!) in Syria and that their oh-so-subtle plan is to bomb Daesh out of Mosul to force them to enter Syria and join the fight against the Syrians and the Russians. Just in time to deny the Russians their victory in Aleppo (or so, at least, do the Americans hope). And, of course, the bombs falling on Mosul are “democratic” and “humanitarian”, so the press has nothing to say about it. Only Russian bombs are “inhumane” and otherwise horrible.
So if the AngloZionists have decided to double-down in Syria, is it not likely that they have also decided to double-down in the Ukraine? Create a nice little war just on time for Hillary to beat Trump who is, after all, a well-known “Putin ally”, right?
I consider that the risks of a CIA-SBU organized false flag in the Ukraine (probably Kiev) are right now at a maximum and the risks of an Ukronazi attack on Novorussia very high.
The Saker
“…I consider that the risks of a CIA-SBU organized false flag in the Ukraine (probably Kiev) are right now at a maximum and the risks of an Ukronazi attack on Novorussia very high.”
Precisely why Pavlov was murdered now in the first place. To set in motion a reaction that could then be used to set the next op in motion by the zpc/nwo (that’s the zionazis/Nazis, the israeli-americans, the anglo-zionists). IE: further indication that Pavlov’s murder was part of their strategy and coincides with all the other preparations they have been making to go hot in the Ukraine.
Precisely why Pavlov was murdered now in the first place. To set in motion a reaction that could then be used to set the next op
Yes, that is an excellent explanation for a *motive*. However, it explains nothing about means and opportunity.
So far there is exactly zero evidence linking any party to the murder of Motorola. All we have are speculations and many disturbing questions.
FALSE FLAG ALERT, in Kiev! . . . You’re d@mn right, Saker.
These are all consequences of Motorola’s lousy security.
It’s the British (Anglozionist) Empire againsts the Russian Empire, and the first has an influential fifth column (of wealthy thieves & charlatans/thugs) within the Russian Empire.
The event was planned well in advance, question: why now?
Sorry for the loss of a good man.
You have answered your own question about who was responsible for the murder of Motorola, it was the CIA, it was *not* someone in the DNR. See http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/texas-who-killed-motorola-and-why-ill.html
Analysts can often over-analyze, when the obvious answer is right in front of them. The US had its “advisors” running the show in Kiev before the coup even took place. The CIA ran the op that killed Motorola.
These assassination attempts could imply a coming attack. Create disorganization in your enemy forces; kill the leaders, disrupt the chain of command, launch the attack. At the very least, it provokes great anger and hostility in Donbass, the final nails in the coffin of the political process . . . sort of like negotiating a cease-fire, the first step towards detente, and then launching a surprise attack against the other side (Dier Ezzor).
You have answered your own question about who was responsible for the murder of Motorola,
Not at all. The fact that the CIA-SBU could use this event and the statements of the DNR leaders does not mean that they killed Motorola in the first place. By the same ‘logic’ you could say that if kids on a beach use the low tide to collect clams they are the ones who made the water recede. This is completely illogical.
it was the CIA, it was *not* someone in the DNR
My not MI6? Or Mossad? There is exactly zero evidence for your statement
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/texas-who-killed-motorola-and-why-ill.html
yeah, as usual, FR posts somebody else’s “analysis” even when it is full of logical holes. As Sharii said – if you like that, great, enjoy. But the rest of us rather think logically.
Analysts can often over-analyze, when the obvious answer is right in front of them.
Right. I think you should get your “analyses” from FR – there it will always be simple, straightforward and never, ever, ‘over-analyzed’ :-)
The CIA ran the op that killed Motorola
Well, at least on this blog repeating the same thing over and over does not add any credibility
The Saker
USA is losing in Syria and Iraq. They will naturally move to provoke Russia in Donbas and Central Asia. More terror attacks like the ones in Almaty and Bishkek. In Ukraine most people do not like westerners still. They have not become westerners after two years of Facsist government.
Zakharchenko always looks like he hasnt slept for a week, he is putting everything into protecting the people of Donetsk. The man is grounded in reality unlike misguidedly expansionist and dangerous people like Bezler, Girkin and Givi. He is definately not part of the fifth column which is within Donetsk and wants to sell out the people when the right offer comes up from Kiev, for personal financial gain.
The main part of the war has already been won-DPR-LPR-Crimea will never join Ukraine. Glory to the ten thousand men and women and kids who died in the Fascist agression.
“The man is grounded in reality unlike misguidedly expansionist and dangerous people like Bezler, Girkin and Givi.”
Yes, Zak is usually a cool headed person, so this particular assassination must have shaken him considerably, and he and Givi made some poorly worded statements, saying what was on their mind rather than carefully crafted “official statements”. Kind of like Trump running off at the mouth while Clinton “stays on message” and spouts her “politically correct” lines/lies which she has no intention of following through on. Statesmen have to be more like Putin or Lavrov: choose your words carefully and don’t paint yourself into a corner.
It brings to mind a conversation I had long ago in Cuba with a person who supported the revolution but was well aware of it’s difficulties, one of which was finding appropriate people to put in charge of the new economy and administration. His quote was to the effect that “The qualities that make a person a brave and fearless fighter in the Sierra aren’t necessarily the same qualities required to administer the Post Office or the National Bank efficiently.” In the early years following the revolution Fidel had mostly appointed people who had distinguished themselves in battle to head the ministries, but they were now having to replace a lot of those people with someone who was better with a spreadsheet than an assault rifle.
The forge of front line warfare quickly separates the brave and/or competent from the self-serving opportunists, and skilled commanders stand out if they aren’t killed. On the economic and political fronts, it is a different story. The incompetent and self-serving posing as patriots are difficult to distinguish from the competent and devoted to the cause. It can take a long time to restructure the economy and find good management people. Some will grow into the job and learn the skills through trial and error while other will demonstrate the “Peter Principal” that “In a hierarchy each person rises to his or her level of incompetence and then stays there.”
Donetsk and Luhansk can’t afford the luxury of being two separate very small “Republics” with duplicate administrations. They need to form a single political and economic entity if they are to restore their economy and rebuild from the war. The current situation of low-intensity shelling of the main population centers makes it difficult for the economy to recover, especially with Donetsk city being right on the front line.
Since the Minsk agreement is being ignored by Kiev and it’s NATO patrons, it looks like Russia may have to push the Novorossian border out to the original provincial boundaries of Luhansk and Donetsk and put up a defensible line encompassing everyone who voted to leave Ukraine in an economically viable state with sea access via Mariupol. And of course, recognize Novorissia as a state and sign a mutual defence treaty with them so that, if the shelling continues, they can hit Ukraine back as hard as needed to get the message across.
Unlikely to happen, though, and Moscow still hopes to restore a pro-Russian government in all of Ukraine, and needs those five or six million votes in Novorossia to win an election, should there ever be a honest election in Nazi Ukraine.
Mr Saker, why this obsession with Trump ?? do you think that going to vote the sunday and cheering for a savior while sitting confortably in the lounge will end the Rule of the AZ Empire ??
The US is toast, their citizens and their elites are ALL Petro $ junkies and the country will completely crumble the day the rest of the world will refuse to accept their worthless monkey money. There is no miracle, the only solution is reducing everything to ashes and start again, and NO ONE is telling its citizens this hard and painfull truth.
As for the ukrainians attack on novorussia, the question is not whether the ukies will attack again, but do the ukies have the mean to perform better than the last time they did it ???. unless i missed something, except for few teams of covert CIA-SAS mercenaries, they didnt received such big reinforcements. Their only hope for crushing the novorussians is a direct ZATO Intervention, and that is clearly not going to happen in the near future, especially on the doorstep of russia. Big mouthing on TV is one thing for the eurocunts, sending their soldiers to the donbass meat grinder is another thing.
Thank you again for your wonderful blog :-)
Mr Saker, why this obsession with Trump ?? do you think that going to vote the sunday and cheering for a savior while sitting confortably in the lounge will end the Rule of the AZ Empire ??
Nope. I just think that with Hillary the chances of nuclear war with Russia are extremely high whereas with Trump we don’t know what could happen. I will always prefer a question mark to a death sentence. That’s it.
That’s exactly what my feeling has been and continues to be: – We know what to expect from la Clinton, the psychopath. We don’t know what to expect from Trump, however, it seems to me that it would be uuuuggggely unlikely that Trump could come even close to being as dangerous as Clinton. Not that I have a vote, as I am an Irish resident and Citizen.
As such, I salute that great soldier and patriot Pavlov and his brave and fearsome comrades along with their love of their homeland, their culture and their identity which they have fought proudly and successfully to secure.
To his family, his people and his country I say ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
False Flags appeal to the Republicrat voters like uuhhhh uhhhh burrrrppppp i wanna see Syria ukraine be free burrpppp Hillary McDonalds Bush Hillary White Helmits Bush burrrppp waarrr wurrrr.
Addendum to the Transcarpathia issue. It is fully occupied by Pravy Sektor, so watch out for more trouble there.
Incidentally has any else noticed the close similarity between the ISIS jihadists and the Ukrop Neo-Nazis. They are both ideologically driven zealot organisations who delight in attacking women and children, and kill anyone and everyone who doesn’t obey them?
Here is a video of the ISIS crew, complete with new shiny pickup vans, travelling in vast convoys, flags flying, epic background music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMRwhePWbUs
And here is a video of the Ukrop Neo-Nazi crew, complete with new shiny pickup vans, travelling in vast convoys, flags flying, epic background music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieWJtSa_jOU
What’s the difference?
Also their arguments are fundamentally illogical and contradictory-
Ukranian Neo Banderists- Want a ethnically pure far-right ukraine, use anti semitic language, want to kick the russians out, yet support a Jewish President, Jewish Head of government and allow western left wing pro homosexual NGO to work in Kiev.
ISIS/Wahabists- Want to establish a Islamic Democracy yet refuse to do any attacks against the biggest enemy of Muslims – the zionist entity which is killing Palestinians every day
There are “Nazis” of several sorts – and then too, there are “nazis” or several lesser sorts – there is an array – it could be charted like a Venn-diagram. These have evolved since 1915 and the invention of fascism as such…but they’re all nazis of some sort, and one knows this almost immediately when one, say, shares a few drinks with one and he speaks too freely. nazis of 2016 use the methods of to-day…though one may see similarities, one sees also the new things. it’s important to bear in mind that big elite fascist cadre uses the nazi fodder units to serve corrupt goal – thus capital N and also lower case n…nominally “Moslem” nazi fodder units are absolutely logical, just as any religion could be hijacked to fascist purpose. sure!
False-flags are the essential feature of Fascist methodology – just as the world see now a few events in new york and dc as false flag, so too Motorola, the promises of retribution, and the natural thing that is now going to happen, another false flag – and the fascist or the nazi servants will use the murders they themselves do to create consent for war, hot war. Probably quite soon. this is obvious.
Most can only stand and watch while a few, caught by the fates, decide our lives. This is normal in history, but not very satisfactory, eh?
Pax, Friends…
Yes, ISIS, Nazism, but also Marxism (not Stalinism) were/are clearly projects of the banksters & gangsters. Here’s another instance of these fancy f@ggots/house negros at 1:05
https://youtu.be/PuLebpUBCio
DONETSK, October 19. /TASS/. The local authorities of the eastern Ukrainian town of Gorlovka hasve reported phosphorus shells having been fired at the Golmovsky settlement on Tuesday evening.
“In the evening a cluster phosphorus bomb fell on the Golmovsky settlement, but it did not explode. No information on casualties or damage has been received,” the press service of the municipal government told the Donetsk News Agency on Wednesday.
The intelligence service of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic’s militia command reported that in September the Ukrainian military moved more than ten trucks of ammunition to the line of contact in Donbass, which could contain phosphorus shells. The republic’s military leadership repeatedly reported on the Ukrainian military using phosphorus shells to attack civilians. They also used these banned weapons to shell the Donetsk airport in January 2015.
More:
http://tass.com/world/907293
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he goal of Wednesday’s meeting of the Normandy Quartet leaders in Berlin is to find out what hampers the implementation of the Minsk deals on settlement in Donbass, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
“In this case the goal (of Berlin’s meeting) is to look at where we are and to state what hampers the implementation of the Minsk agreements,” Peskov said.
The Kremlin does not expect any breakthrough from the talks of the Normandy Quartet leaders on the Ukrainian conflict resolution, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday, reports TASS.
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Wednesday, October 19, 2016 – 17:12
The Ukrainian party to the Contact group on Donbass conflict demanded from the DPR to return Debaltsevo under Kiev’s control, reported in Facebook Daria Olifer, the press secretary of Ukraine’s representative at Minsk negotiations Leonid Kuchma reported.
“The Ukrainian party brought to notice provisions of the Memorandum of September 19, 2014 which, among other things, provides Ukraine’s control over Debaltsevo. Among other, this document provided the position of the parties’ units on the contact line set as of September 19, 2014 what was violated by separate districts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions,” reported Olifer.
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https://dninews.com/gallery/massive-march-memorial-motorola-donetsk-city-pictures
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https://dninews.com/article/more-50-thousand-donbass-residents-pay-last-respect-dpr-hero-motorola-donetsk
Wednesday, October 19, 2016 – 14:57
More than 50, 000 people gathered in central Donetsk to pay last respect to the DPR Hero, Arsen Pavlov best known under his call sign Motorola, who was killed on October 16.
The farewell ceremony started at around 10 a.m. local time in the premises of Donetsk State Academic Theatre of Opera and Ballet, the coffin placed in the hall. DPR The DPR Head Alexander Zakharchenko and acting Foreign Minister Natalya Nikonorova paid their last tribute before the lceremony.
Police closed traffic on the city central Artyom street to allow the queue of people to say farewell to the hero.
“The tragedy united people. If Kiev wanted to break us down, they failed. People come together, the flow of people who have come today proves it,” said the Vice-Commander of the DPR Operations Command Eduard Basurin speaking at the ceremony.
The funeral procession in memory of the killed Hero of the DPR, the colonel of the Republican Armed forces Arsen Pavlov has finished in Donetsk. The column consisting of thousands of people has stretched out for several kilometers.
The correspondents estimate around 50 thousand people gathered today to pay last tribute to the hero filling the central square and adjoining streets.
The coffin was moved from Donbass Opera premises as public chanted “May the Hero memory last forever”, and carried along the central Artem street with orchestra playing.
“Today we say goodbye to our friend, the fellow soldier, one of the most charismatic commanders, to Arsen Pavlov. Tens of thousands of the DPR residents from all cities and villages of our country have come to pay respect to the DPR Hero. The death of the commander under a call sign “Motorola” has become our collective sorrow,” the Vice-Commander of the DPR Operative Command Eduard Basurin said.
The column was headed by the fighters of the DPR Armed forces with Pavlov’s portrait, his awards and an orthodox cross in their hands. They were followed by a truck, the coffin with a body was placed on a gun carriage.
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Ukrainian security services stepped up sabotage and intelligence activities along the line of contact. This was announced today at a briefing in LuganskInformTsentre spokesman of the Defense Ministry, Major Andrew Marochko.
“We have noted increased activity of sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the enemy along the line of contact,” – said Marochko.
“According to information received from the residents of the village Artemovsk, became aware of the accommodation of employees of the Security Service in the hotel on Cathedral Street, 58”, – he said he said.
“Obviously, the revitalization of the DRG associated with finding the SBU in the region”, -. added Maj
he stressed that these facts are further proof that the Ukrainian side does not want to peacefully resolve the situation in the Donbass, and ignores all agreements and arrangements made by the Contact group in Minsk.
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Gosh……….thank you.
The Ukes have been using phosfor shells and cluster shells since the very beginning in Slavyansk/Kramatorsk in May 2014, both tube artillery and Grad rockets. This is verified often and there are dozens of videos showing the shells and rockets doing their task.
Auslander
‘“In this case the goal (of Berlin’s meeting) is to look at where we are and to state what hampers the implementation of the Minsk agreements,” Peskov said.’ – Unbelievable! How could he make such a statement???!!! There is an immense blind spot in their Government it seems. I can answer this in one word: biden.
Seriously, why do they persist with the BS that the Europeans – sans biden – can do anything???!
If there is going to be a false flag, there is going to be false flag. They are very creative at finding reasons, and making argument in MSM for it. I would not worried about what one person said or not said at heat of moment.
If trump lose, Hillary will speed the country down the hill.
I think only one realistic reaction following a serious false flag can be considered:
Given our western media and governance, even questionable attacks (MH-17 level) will be totally condemned, and acted upon as being true.
Denying does not work, nor does explaining. Better make it true and show (after an ultimatum) what their allegations really mean!
I do blame Alexander Zakharchenko, thats is the difference between a leader and a normal human nobody. In his position he has to have his emotions under control, the repercussions are enormous.
A leader like that doesn’t bode well for his people.
I don’t blame him. He clearly demonstrates that he is HUMAN. His previous merits speaks for themselves.
One might blame a “system” that has reduced legitimate “voters” into this:
http://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/RedNeck02.jpg
And deliberately so.
Kent
Emotional incontinence is not a virtue. The promotion of it has done more harm then good. The Western word is rife with only splattering emotions around. Empathie is needed but that is entirely a different thing and sadly allmost not there any more in the Western world as is rational. The West has thrown both in the dustpin and insanity raines insted.
I like Zach very much, but I found his sincere outburst was not leader-like. He looked so naïve….
One thing that really amazes me is that we have a situation with very high geopolitical risk, Mosul, Aleppo, political murders, etc. very dangerous times ahead. But none of this is reflected in the financial markets…
Just the price of oil should be through the roof by now! The Dow has been virtually unchanged for weeks! Why hasn’t it dropped ?
I know we have Central Banks NIRP & ZIRP but to have the markets so asleep at this stage is very strange..
Its obvious what happened .Just look at the FTSE. It is a record highs and keeps going up. The American corporations have put the money to London because the Pound is so weak and they earn thier money in Dollars. Atlantisists shifting their money around the Empire.
Maybe James Dimon had one too many and let the cat out of the bag to his global friends:“everything is good and under control… plenty more poor people will die tomorrow”
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Good one. Reminds me of the Rothschildian mantra to “buy when there’s blood in the streets”.
The problem is: the prices are wrong, upside down. Oil should be high, markets should be low. Nothing makes sense.
Agree. I can’t understand this for years. Whatever happens, the DOW-JONES is getting higher and higher. In the recent years I have read a lot of financial prognosis and none of them came true. If you search here : http://revolutionradio.org/ you can have a lot of bombastic news daily.
seeking sense?
maybe read wolf grey’s latest http://www.roguemoney.net/stories/2016/10/18/is-your-head-filled-with-actionable-knowledge-or-hot-air
if you find it tricky to get your head around, then greg hunter on usawatchdog weekly is a good source of orientation.. bill holter and jim wiley spring to mind too.
it’s too late in the day for sense making, time for actionable information
There are two sides to any market – supply and demand – there is no shortage of oil supply right now and as you probably know the demand side of things is not too hot.
As for the Dow, it’s been inflated by QE – if/when folks lose faith in central banks, look out below.
Does anyone have info on the October 14 purported rebel downing of a Ukraine combat helo with Nato military advisors on board…?
Story was run by TASS…quoting DPR sources…then picked up by a couple of British tabloids…
http://tass.com/world/906579?_ga=1.75146066.1787834979.1476468547
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1979998/russian-backed-rebels-shoot-down-helicopter-carrying-nato-advisors-over-eastern-ukraine-local-media-reports/
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/553726/helicopter-shot-down-nato-officials-ukrainian-rebels
Romors surface about the killer of Arsen Pavlov – allegedly a Latvian mercenary known as Mark Ozalin prepared the explosives and triggered the IED.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201610191412-wg46.htm
Donetsk Militia Commander Murdered: Prelude to Resumption of War?http://larouchepub.com/pr/2016/161017_donetsk_murder.html
ISIS Moves To Syria Where Erdogan Still Aims For Aleppo
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/isis-moves-to-syria-where-erdogan-still-aims-for-aleppo.html
You see,while I agree with this article. I ask myself “was there ever really going to be another outcome to these problems”. And my thinking on that is “no”, there never was.Anyone thinking the US would not “double-down” needs to look at the US’s actions since 1945 (or before). They just don’t do “deals”,unless “absolutely” forced to. And then spend “forever” after trying to undo them and get a “win”.
From Korea,to Cuba,to Vietnam,to Afghanistan,to Iraq,now to Ukraine and Syria.The US will take a bad situation and make it worse (unless they win totally). The one and only time (I remember) that they stuck to a “deal” (mostly,they cheated around the edges when possible) was the “Cuban” Missile Crisis. And so we should ask ourselves “why” did they stick to that one.It was because it was an “existential” threat to the US itself,if they didn’t. They were forced (by their own actions) to go “eyeball to eyeball” with the USSR. It was a “live or die” situation. Nuclear war,wasn’t just a “possibility”,it was a “certainty”. And the bombs weren’t only going to destroy Eurasian countries.They were targeted directly to hit the US as well. US threats and provocations weren’t working. The Soviets didn’t want war either. But they “basically” said,”without a deal” the missiles stay in Cuba.Both sides knew there “had” to be a “deal” or war.And the US agreed to a “real” deal. And the missiles were removed. The US pledged to remove some of their missiles from areas near the USSR. But “most” importantly,they pledged to not invade Cuba.
So yes,of course the US will “double-down” on evil in Syria and Ukraine.Those areas are far away.And without absolute defeat there, they will never stop trying to harm Russia through those countries.Russia needs to understand that,and do what is right anyway.Thinking to “deal” with the US and its stooges is “just wrong”,they don’t “deal” without being forced in to it. The ironic thing is that Trump if elected “might” change that. He is a “true believer” in the “Art of the Deal”.Something no other US political leader “seems” to be.And since Putin is famous for that as well. They “might” actually be able to “make a deal”.Possibly the main reason (or one of them) that the US elite hate him so much.But as I doubt he will because the next US President. I think we are doomed to have Clinton in the White House. And in that case,what I wrote above,is more than certain.
Spot on Saker! The neocons think that by pressuring Russia in Eastern Europe they will get “give” in Syria and at the same time the plan is to send Daesh to Raqqa and divide the Eastern part of Syria from the Western. It is a crude two front type strategy. And who knows what they have the Turks, who plan to bomb Mosul, lined up to do. And the Belgians bombing Aleppo? They have way, way too many plates in the air and pots on the fire to pull this off.
The US ruling group is in a “now or never” type of panic-desperation as they feel they are losing the narrative’s rule over the masses as indeed they are. Our next step after the election is to organize popular resistance and theirs is to nip it in the bud. Oh, this shotgun wedding of an election is not even going to have one day of a honeymoon.
By the way, in the above video, Is that a cultural reference to ” don’t think I am Vanya” ? Is Vanya an archetypal fool of some sort?
Uncle Vanya (Russian: Дядя Ваня – Dyadya Vanya) is a play by the Russian playwright Anton Chekhov. It was first published in 1897 and received its Moscow première in 1899 in a production by the Moscow Art Theatre, under the direction of Konstantin Stanislavski.
The play portrays the visit of an elderly professor and his glamorous, much younger second wife, Yeléna, to the rural estate that supports their urban lifestyle. Two friends, Vanya, brother of the Professor’s late first wife, who has long managed the estate, and Astrov, the local Doctor, both fall under Yelena’s spell, while bemoaning the ennui of their provincial existence. Sonya, the Professor’s daughter by his first wife, who has worked with Vanya to keep the estate going, meanwhile suffers from the awareness of her own lack of beauty and from her unrequited feelings for Dr. Astrov. Matters are brought to a crisis when the Professor announces his intention to sell the estate, Vanya and Sonya’s home and raison d’être, with a view to investing the proceeds to achieve a higher income for himself and his wife.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Vanya
Kent
Sorry to interject, but exchanges like this make life as a mod worth living. Thanks to you and Teranam. – fk mod
Here is a video with Givi about Motorola’s murder. At the end it shows earlier scenes of Motorola and Givi. And then the well known scene of Givi with the Ukrainian POW’s. I “used” to think that Givi maybe was a little too harsh in that scene,but not anymore. Had it been the other way around the Ukrainians would have just shot or tortured him to death.So actually Givi was very retrained considering the other possibilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlEEnZ7oyDA
” I “used” to think that Givi maybe was a little too harsh in that scene”
I didn’t, but then again I had already seen to many VERY graphic videos posted by the Ukro-Nazis, boasting about the atrocities they did, like holding a man down, placing a steel bucket on his head, and then a big heavy man jumped high, landed on the “bucket”, crashing the skull of the captured man, and they all laughed!!
Not to speak of the hangings of men, women and children, filmed with smartphones and posted online. Many of these videos are no longer online. They are still in my head though.
Kent
” To make it all worse, there are now clear signs that the Obama Administration has decided to double-down (yet again!) in Syria and that their oh-so-subtle plan is to bomb Daesh out of Mosul to force them to enter Syria and join the fight against the Syrians and the Russians.”
Great plan and (yet again!) it’s not gonna work.
Writes Canthama:
“… they [ISIS fleeing Baghdad, crossing the desert, entering Syria…] will be targeted, they have been already, but some will always move through the wide desert. One thing is for sure, ISIS won’t move a lot of hardware, tanks, artillery etc…they will have to use it to defend Mosul and the villages around.
Russia warned the US yesterday about the widely known US intention to push ISIS toward Der ez Zor. Putin called Abadi yesterday and got clearance from the Iraq Government to hit inside Iraq airspace fleeing ISIS, it will be fun to watch a Russia fighter jet near a US one over Iraq, then RuAF bombing ISIS while the US trying to protect it. “
@_smr…
“Putin called Abadi yesterday and got clearance from the Iraq Government to hit inside Iraq airspace fleeing ISIS…
do you have a link to this info…?
On the same day (yesterday) Putin had a phone conversation with Erdogan things related to Syria and Mosul. Precise information we have not, unfortunately, so we can further speculate and wait for the events unfolding.
Comments from Russell Bentley (aka Texas), someone on the ground in Donbass.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/texas-who-killed-motorola-and-why-ill.html
This US presidential election is the make or break point for the US. Maybe that should be break or break point. War with Russia or internal collapse, or perhaps civil war? Civil unrest if Clinton wins, internal sabotage if Trump survives and is crowned US pres.
Very unstable times over the next couple of months.
As for the killing of Pavlov, vot tak covered it best in the first comment.
The biggest boon at the moment for whatever US proxies pulled off the killing, is to have infighting follow the killing, having the targets laying the blame on each other.
A lot of good people have died and more will die before this is over. Best to concentrate on the enemy.
Talking of Motorola…
Rus.Lang over at SyrPer writes:
“They couldnt kill him on battlefield, so they killed him like cowards, planting a bomb.
They killed a carwasher, and immortal legend of a hero was born.
Just look how many people came to say last goodbye:”
https://twitter.com/kp_steshin/status/788663690740527104
https://twitter.com/sashakots/status/788676343781289984
” It’s okay, we have plenty of carwashers in Russia.
Thats a nature of heroes, once they fall, their comrades continue their work with grim faces and more determination.
In western culture Hero is an individual with outstanding qualities (Super-Hero, Super-Human, Ubermerch), in Russia – its opposite.
Our Heroes come from the depth of nation, like a gold washed in river. Simple carwasher, teacher, taxi-driver – when need comes simple folk shows bravest spirit. Its everyone’s obligation to match this examples in our history, so every Russian on battlefield has good examples how to fight, against any foe.”
” but the fact is that this all starting to look extremely dangerous.”
this is what i attempted to explain in the motorola thread.
the murder can only be interpreted as a provcation and zaharchenko would or could feel justified to perform some kind of retaliatory act either near the lines of contact or perhaps in another place.
therefore the entire theatre enters a dangerous phase where full scale contact could easily erupt and involve syria and donbass and greater ukraine in full scale war which may engulf russia and nato.
not also as I mentioned in the motorola thread, about the rise of the new azov party.
poroshenko for all his failings and excuses, currently enables the sides to be separated.
yes he has been a useful fool. according to recent view in russia channel tv, he has commented kiev has indeed fulfilled its political obligations; however none can be demonstrated. the claim was clearly for the edification of western media and poroshenko’s washington masters.
if the current normandy quartet fails and the radicals of all types gain power and vote in the rada, this gives any escalation an appearance of legitimacy and the the greater twin scenario ukraine-syria gains probability.
if there will be false flag of some type that would likely be before the US elections are completed.
What I cannot understand is why would Zacharchenko announce to all and sundry on national TV that revenge is coming, paving the way for easy accusations in case of a false flag. One thing is certain – the Russians can keep their mouths shut usually. Why not in this case?
Alexander Zacharchenko is a “man of the people” not a smooth political or intelligence operative trained in discretion.He leads a country bombed everyday. See’s everyday some of his citizens hurt or killed by fascist beasts.Now including another dear friend of his.I’m only surprised that he could hold the anger in so long.
I agree. I rate him as excellent, the right man for the job he’s in.
I think what is key here is Putin and the end of obummer’s term. Assuming Trump gets in, I’m hoping for at least Trump to look the other way regarding Ukraine and to make sure there are no sick nuland’s etc anywhere near there.
With the US rug pulled out from under poroSHITko, hopefully he will flee…but not before he’s caught doing so and swiftly meets his Maker.
Then, we will see how fast the attackers run/get wiped out in the Donbass, hopefully with uprisings throughout the rest of Ukraine, at least to protest the very high utility bills, leading to…
P.S. Just to clarify, when I said: ‘for at least Trump to look the other way regarding Ukraine’ I meant if Novorossiya goes on the offensive then it should be ignored by Trump, like when poroshitko went on the offensive the USG didn’t say anything bad about him, or stop him.
I wonder if it’s because Zakharchenko and the rest of the defenders are ready and willing for this war — a military solution –, and are only held back because of the Kremlin? They’ve been tolerating ongoing shelling for weeks and weeks. Does anyone know anything about that?
Frankly I do not recall the exact thread or when I posted this on this forum (if I did).
But please study this book, whenever you have the time.
http://fotovision.no/PublicationsNew/ArtofWar/
(search engine in upper right corner works beautifully).
Mandatory study at West-Point Academy, even though hardly anyone understands it, or any part of it in context to present situation.
Thank you.
Kent
Anyone can provide the link to the previous video by Sharyi, the one with along other bloggers posts provoked that reaction by comrade “Texas”?
I am very interested.
Sure, here it is with English subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3ahWVKPQTE
HTH, cheers,
The Saker
Thanks a lot.
I will view it as soon as I can.
A good (in the sense of being clear and well filmed) video of the state funeral for Motorola in Donetsk today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-k8wr3184s
If there is known to be a high risk of such a false flag which the Ukies would then use as a pretext to again attack the Donbas, has Russia begun mobilising and repositioning troops along its border once again? Are there Russian ships off Mariupol and Odessa? Russian tanks across the border from Luhansk and Kharkiv? Russian planes on vectors towards Kiev? Actions certainly all to be characterised as more “Russian aggression” by Washington, though lack of such precautions would be remiss unless Putin has decided to bow to Obomber. Would Russian forces step in to prevent a collapse of the free republics should Porky send in a wave of troops, bolstered by new American anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, perhaps even cruise missiles (of their own manufacture, which the Ukies have recently been flaunting)? If so, how? Would Russian help do more than simply defend this time, and seek to cut out the cancer in Kiev?
Washington is sure to respond militarily to any Russian moves across the border. They have troops and materiel in country. The Americans have pretty much used up all their threats, military action is all they may have left in their bag of tricks. If the Russians are not taking this seriously, Obomber (or his handlers) may decide that NOW is the time to settle all “family business” with Russia–before the election that makes Killary the next Warmonger-in-Chief. All business meaning both Ukraine and Syria simultaneously, perhaps even Iran, as the bigger the wars the more popular support they usually get in America. Has anyone been monitoring Ukie troop movements, as well as those of their NATO “advisors?” All these things would help us assess the degree of “high risk” claimed in the piece, assuming Russia does not wish the Clinton “reset button” to mean their status as the next American vassal state. This whole “set-to” between Obomber and Putin has just passed the two-minute warning–actually two weeks till election as of yesterday–so expect some desperation plays.
“You will pay in blood for Motorola” – Givi [Video]
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/you-will-pay-in-blood-for-motorola-givi.html
Givi you can’t match gun for the gun with NATO. You may be the next. Why not the Alexander Zakharchenko, and more after him?
The message is clear. Ruskie give up or else. What NATO needs is OBEDIENCE.
Crowded or what??
http://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/map_20syria_20sea.jpg
Kent
I may be wrong but after the Kerry/Johnson admittance that EU countries don’t want war over Syria, they wouldn’t either be enough of a consensus to follow up on anything happening in Ukrain ground not only to have an intervention, but even to have foreign affair of each country not feeding the MSM opposite views on the events – probably in the vein of “Ukrain is a mess, we can’t jump to conclusions”. Maybe I am optimistic but over the year I’ve seen this neo con propaganda retreat many times, and more and more as of late. Opinion didn’t switch in the western world for hundred of dead kids in Syria. The false flag thing isn’t working like it once did. Doesn’t mean we won’t see more of those (we will) but Ukrain as it is now doesn’t strike me as a fertile ground. On Maidan Y1, that’s a different thing.
Hopefully, may your prediction turn out to be incorrect sir!
I’m not surprised that you love this guy, Saker. His main game, like yours, is simply to insult those who disagree. Who is inadequate? Well I am sure you have your reasons for the mind games you play.
I don’t understand this obsession about not giving the NATO Nazis a reason to do what they clearly intend to do anyway. So what if they do a false flag and blame it on Novorossiya or the RF or Daffy Duck, the Americans and vassal states are going to do this anyway, there is no way of stopping this train, it is coming to your station soon like it or not and the sooner the resistance side with Russia at its head becomes pro-active the better, don’t wait till it comes to your doorstep (Ukraine is just that how is it working out?) they see this as weakness and it is emboldening them further.
Thanks Saker,
A couple of things. This seems a little late in the campaign season for an attack in Novorussia. Maybe the plan is, like the first day at the Battle of Artemisium, to grab a victory late in the day and let winter freeze the gains. I seem to remember the Ruskies are pretty good in the snow, so this probably won’t work. And the attack on Mosul has taken all the agitprop pressure off the Aleppo battle, and I imagine those columns snaking out of Mosul across the Syrian desert will make for great target practice. I don’t doubt your analysis, but that the enemy may have left their run too late.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9d_1476882029
“The US is warning of a possible chemical attack by the Daesh (ISIL) terrorist group as a way to justify Washington’s sustained military intervention in the Middle East and oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, says a political analyst in California.”
The Analyst is former US Army Psych War Officer Scott Bennett.
Everyone has been waiting for that one big false flag event that will give The Empire the excuse to use their cruise missiles and swing back the balance of war, both in Ukraine and Syria.
Killary desperately needs a war as historically the sheeple vote for the status quo when their country is at war. Despite the ‘polls’ Trump gets tens of thousands at his rallies while Killary has to bus in supporters to fill half a high school gym.
They cannot allow Trump in unless they plan on assassinating him before he does too much damage to their plans. The tense situation globally and the ‘movements’ springing up all over the world (Trump, Le Pen, Brexit, even good little Empire puppet Australia has One Nation challenging the bankster order) brings to mind the ‘predictions’ of a preacher supposedly ‘in the know’ with the elite…
He claims the goal is to goad Russia so much they are forced to strike the US, likely with an EMP. This devastating strike will ‘force’ COG to implement their new order, freeze all elections indefinitely, and bring Russia to heel with top-secret, highly advanced, space-based weaponry. The date this was supposed to happen? By 2018
Fantasy
Russia is much to strong for the US to attack. Clinton knows this. They will just keep trying Color Revolutions against pro russian states
Fantasy? Maybe. What difference would that make? If the plan is as he says the preacher fella said, the EMP strategy, it may be so. Maybe the Gentlemen of the Empire are in the thrall of a fantasy, but they also, within that fantasy, design a plan. Don’t delusional people make plans? Of course they do…
Actually let us hope that they are not delusional. Shall we also hope they don’t have a plan? Of course that would be stupid…they have a plan no matter whether or not they are delusional.
The big difference between reality-based persons and non-reality based persons is that contests between them generally result in the delusional party getting hurt… Very nasty. And pitiful. And dangerous for everybody… Get it?
there are plenty of people of Russian origin in Israhell.in the army and “services” maybe even some originally from what is now DNR. I have no doubts.
What is happening in Mosul is pathetic.. The problem is that these ‘terrorist’ (drug addicts – Captagon) have become ‘upper class’ and like their life where they are. It is hard to convince these guys that it is worth leaving. They have had it pretty easy for two years and probably just have to supply certain ‘body parts’ for the vampires around the world. We then find out that eastern Syria is still ‘open’ territory with Belguim jets hammering away at what ever for rather unknown reasons, but these jets are creating ‘body parts’ in a seaming indiscriminate manner and I’m sure that ISIS or ISIL is nearby. Enough said. The Russians know all about this, in an informational manner at least, but this is still a logistical problem that has a planned solution. It is just not as everyone likes in the non-combat world.
The immediate impact of Mosul attack seems to be on Kirkuk where ISIS are launching major attack on the Kurds. Doing Turkey’s bidding perhaps?
Motorola fought in Chechnya and most likely killed a few.Maybe a chechen did it.They are good with IED’s.They are on both sides of the war.Just a thought.As for who is behind it ,that may never be known.
Madness!