[Personal comment by the Saker: it turns out that working and thinking about issues other than my personal circumstances right now has been very helpful and, to my own amazement, I have produced a rather lengthy analysis of the seventh week of the Russian intervention in Syria. I had thought that I would not be able to write 3 lines, and I ended up penning a 7000+ word long essay. Weird. But I did enjoy the “flow” of doing so. I make no promises for next week, but I will try. We will see if the trick works twice! Thanks to all for your kind words of support!
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The Saker]
This column was written for the Unz Review: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/week-seven-of-the-russian-intervention-in-syria-dramatic-surge-in-intensity/
This week was clearly dominated by two major events: the terrorist attacks in Paris and the Russian official declaration that Kogalymavia Flight 9268 was, indeed, destroyed by a bomb.
First, I would notice that contrary to so many prediction that the Russians, Egyptians and other nations involved would lie and cover up this attack, this did not happen. Both the Russians and the Egyptians were open and honest about this attack from day 1. There is something to be learned here: while some politicians clearly have lost the ability to speak the truth even if they tried to, others did not. While lying is the standard operating procedure for most (all?) of “western” (Empire-run) states, this is still not the case everywhere else. It is simply wrong to assume that Russia is some kind of “anti-USA” and that the Kremlin has a policy of systematic deception like the White House. To the extend that Russia could be considered an “anti-USA” this ought to include categorically different methods and motives.
Second, and this might seem highly counter-intuitive, it is undeniable that Daesh did everything in its power to invite retaliation: not only did Daesh immediately claim that it blew up Flight 9268, it also claimed the credit for the Paris attacks and even threatened more such attacks, including against the USA. Again, this might seem outright bizarre, but Daesh appears to be doing everything it can to create a large, multi-national coalition to destroy it. We must keep this in mind every time we consider the retaliatory steps taken by Russia, France and others (see below).
Third, while it is too early to call the recent French attacks a “false flag” it is logical to at least consider that possibility as likely, if not highly likely. I personally do not like knee-jerk conclusions and I would prefer waiting for more info to come out. But at this point in time whether this was a “real” attack or a “false flag” really makes no difference. Why? Because whether the French ‘deep state’ was an accomplice/culprit or whether the regime is completely incompetent, the “action is in the reaction” – that is to say that the French are getting involved with their own military operation in Syria and they are doing so in coordination with the Russians. So, at this point in time, I suggest focusing on that.
But first, let’s look at the really important development this week.
Russia dramatically increases her anti-Daesh operations
While you can read my initial assessment here, the dramatic sure in Russian strikes against Daesh is important enough to take a more detailed look at it.
First, in purely military terms, what the Russians did was both predictable (and I had predicted just that for several weeks now) and highly significant. The small Russian contingent at the Khmeimim air base in Latakia was, if amazingly skilled and outright heroic, simply too small to really hurt Daesh. Keep in mind that Russia does not have the kind of power projection capabilities the USA has and that regardless of that disadvantage, the Russian succeeded in creating a full airport capable of supporting the 24/7 night and day operation of about 50 aircraft in a record time. And they did that without the Empire ever getting any good intelligence about what the Russians were up to. By the time the Empire understood what the Russians had done, it was way too late to stop them. In terms of organization and logistics, this was an absolutely brilliant operation and the folks who organized it most certainly deserve to get a medal and promotion for it. I mention that here because it was probably simply impossible to bring in a bigger force. Even right now the Khmeimim air base is over-saturated with flights and the extra aircraft flow in will make a very difficult situation even worse. This is why I predicted that the long-range aviation would have to be brought in at least as a stop-gap measure until either a “Khmeimim 2” airport is built near Latakia or another airfield(s) become(s) available (maybe in Iran). Bottom line is this: bombing or not bombing, the Russians had no choice but to bring in the long-range aviation. Here is some interesting footage of a pair of Su-30SM escorting a Tu-160 during a cruise missile launch:
Second, and this is significant, the Russians clearly decided to take advantage of the fact that the long-range aviation was not constrained by any logistical difficulties: the force they brought in this time around is a big and powerful one: not only will another 37 aircraft now join the Russian force in Syria (including the formidable SU-34: to the 4 already present in Syria another 8 will be added for a total force of 12), but 25 long-range bombers are now fully dedicated to the Russian effort, including Tu-22M3, Tu-95MC and Tu-160. Now this is a “big stick”. Even the “old” Tu-95MC and Tu-22M3 are highly modernized versions of excellent airframes who can deliver plenty of very powerful and highly accurate munitions in any weather conditions, including gravity bombs and strategic cruise missiles. In other words, Russia has at least doubled her Syria-based capabilities and much more than doubled it if the Russia-based long-range bombers are included. From being a small force, the Russian air force contingent now dwarfs what the French will bring in on their Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier and what the Empire has been using until now. We can now expect the Daesh logistics, communications and infrastructure to suffer a major degradation. And just to make sure that it hurts were it counts, the Russians began their long-range attacks with strikes on oil processing and distribution networks, including depots, trucks, fueling stations, etc. The Russian long-range bombers will not make a big difference to the Daesh frontline fighters, but their attacks on the Daesh infrastructure will free the Russian helicopters and Su-25s to finally provide close air support to the Syrian forces (so far, this task was mostly limited to the Syrian Air force which cannot fly at night). I also believe that the current SU-24 and SU-34 force will also be given many more frontline attack missions to provide the Syrians with much needed firepower. Bottom line: the Russians have brought in a “big stick” and this time Daesh will really hurt. But, remember, Daesh wanted exactly that (see above).
Third. The Kremlin did an excellent job of “selling” this dramatic increase of the pace and intensity of Russian operations in Syria. Polls show that most Russians fully approve. However, from personal contacts in Russia, I am told that they approve but are getting very uncomfortable. There is no denying that Russia has now suffered from what I like to call a “mandate creep”: from going in to support the Syrians and fighting the Takfiri crazies away from home rather than at home, Russia is now promising retribution for the murder of her citizens. Putin made that absolutely clear when he said that military forces and special services will be used to hunt down the perpetrators of this atrocity. He said:
We will find an punish these criminals. We will do this with no limitation period. We will find out all their names. Will will hunt them down everywhere, regardless of where they are hiding. We will find them in any location on the planet and we will punish them. (…).
He even added a “Dubya” -like warning that anybody supporting or protecting them will be fully responsible for the consequences of doing so.
All those who might try to render assistance to these criminals must know that the consequences for such a protection will lie entirely upon them.
Keep in mind that the last time Putin issued such a warning was in 1999 when he promised that Russia would hunt down the Chechen Wahabi terrorist everywhere, “even in toilets”, and kill every one of them. At this occasion Putin used a colorful Russian slang idiom “мочить” which can very roughly be translated as “off them off” (or even to “f**king blast them”). What is less remembered is that the Russians did just that: they killed every single Takfiri insurgency leader including Baraev, Dudaev, Maskhadov, Iandarbiev, Hattab, Raduev, Basaev and many many others. Some of these executions were botched (Iandarbiev) some were superb (Dudaev, Hattab). But Putin got every single one of them. Every one. Putin has just made exactly the same threat, though in more diplomatic terms. And while most Russian agree with Putin, and while they know that he does not make empty threats, they also realize that suddenly a small and local military operation has turned into a potentially worldwide chase for terrorists. Considering how poorly the USA did just that after 9/11 there are plenty of good reasons to be worried. But I would also immediately add that most Russians also realize that Putin and Dubya are in different leagues and that while the USA seems to be chronically unable to do anything right “Russia does not start wars – she ends them” (as the expression goes in Russia). Bottom line: I believe that the Russians will not repeat the mistakes made by the clueless US Neocons and that the hunt for Daesh leaders is now on.
Fourth. There is an uncanny political dimension to this about which I am frankly very unsure. Everybody in Russia knows that Qatar is the prime sponsor of terrorism in Syria and in Egypt. How will the Kremlin square that knowledge with the publicly made promise to punish every person guilty for the murder of 224 Russian citizens in anybody’s guess. Since Qatar is basically one giant US base, there is no way to strike at Qatar without hitting the CENTCOM. Alternatively, the Russians could decided to hunt down and kill specific Qatari officials in various “accidents”. What is certain is that the Russian foreign intelligence service – SVR – has teams capable of such actions (Zaslon, Vympel), as does the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff – GRU – which has Spetsnaz GRU officer teams and special operation forces SSO units capable of such operations. For better deniability (assuming that is a goal), the Russians might also use their deep connections inside the Russian mob (quite a few of whom are ex-secret services, especially in the middle-ranks) to “subcontract” such an operation. Whatever options the Kremlin choses, I would not sleep well if I was a Qatari official involved in this atrocity. Bottom line: Putin has publicly made it a point of personal honor to get every single one of the bastards responsible, regardless of where or who they are, and I strongly believe that he will deliver on that promise.
Fifth. There are other nations besides Qatar who are also very much co-sponsors of Daesh. They include Turkey (and, by extension, NATO), the KSA and even the Ukraine (see here and here). Potentially, all of them can become targets of Russian retaliation (whatever form it takes). Finally, there are all the western financial institution who are providing crucial services for Daesh, including many involving the export of oil from Daesh controlled territory and the import of modern weapon (primarily US-made) into Daesh territory. The list is long and the fact that the Russians have now openly threatened a long list of powerful entities is certainly a dramatic increase in the scope of the Russian involvement in this war.
Sixth. As with any escalation the stakes and the risks for Russia have now sharply increased. The timeframe has now officially changed from “about three months” to “as long as needed”, the size and nature of the force committed now fully engages the Russian political prestige and all of the above makes Russia a prime target for Daesh retaliation, both inside and outside Russia. Now that Putin has officially declared that Russian special services are tasked with the elimination of those who blew up the Russian aircraft, the use of some kind of “boots on the ground”, even if these are “special boots”, becomes much more likely. For somebody like myself who has always been very reluctant about the use of military force it is disturbing to see how rapidly Russia is getting pulled-in into the war in Syria with no exit strategy I can discern, at least not in the foreseeable future. I personally do not believe that the Russians will send in boots, but I cannot say that I am categorically certain that this will not happen. Currently unpredictable events might well force them to.
The attacks in Paris
Tragic and horrible as these attacks were, the first thing that comes to my mind is the obscene difference in which the western media and zombified public treated 129 (provisional figure) murdered French and 224 murdered Russians. We had the “Je Suis Charlie” abomination and now we have the “Je Suis Paris” collective (planetary!) grief-fest. I don’t recall any “Je Suis Russie”, or “Je Suis Donbass” grief-fests? Or any “Je Suis Aleppo” or even “Je Suis Iraq”. Apparently, Russian or Arab lives matter a hell of a lot less than US or French lives (even if only in Iraq the body count is well over a million!). This is disgusting, unworthy of respect, utterly dishonest and terminally stupid. This is no “homage” to any victims, but your garden variety media-induced hysteria. The West ought to be ashamed of such pathetic lack of simple courage and maturity. Truly, did they really believe that they can play at such “terrorist games” and not eventually get hurt themselves (by a false flag or otherwise)?! Did not Putin warn the West of exactly that when he said:
I’m urged to ask those who created this situation: do you at least realize now what you’ve done? But I’m afraid that this question will remain unanswered, because they have never abandoned their policy, which is based on arrogance, exceptionalism and impunity. (…) In fact, the Islamic State itself did not come out of nowhere. It was initially developed as a weapon against undesirable secular regimes. (…) The situation is extremely dangerous. In these circumstances, it is hypocritical and irresponsible to make declarations about the threat of terrorism and at the same time turn a blind eye to the channels used to finance and support terrorists, including revenues from drug trafficking, the illegal oil trade and the arms trade. It is equally irresponsible to manipulate extremist groups and use them to achieve your political goals, hoping that later you’ll find a way to get rid of them or somehow eliminate them. I’d like to tell those who engage in this: Gentlemen, the people you are dealing with are cruel but they are not dumb. They are as smart as you are. So, it’s a big question: who’s playing who here? The recent incident where the most “moderate” opposition group handed over their weapons to terrorists is a vivid example of that. We consider that any attempts to flirt with terrorists, let alone arm them, are short-sighted and extremely dangerous. This may make the global terrorist threat much worse, spreading it to new regions around the globe, especially since there are fighters from many different countries, including European ones, gaining combat experience with Islamic State. Unfortunately, Russia is no exception. Now that those thugs have tasted blood, we can’t allow them to return home and continue with their criminal activities. Nobody wants that, right?
Prophetic words by Putin indeed. But since the AngloZionists have a long and “distinguished” tradition of using death-squads, vicious dictatorships and, of course, terrorists, Putin’s words were ignored. Heck, even after the Paris attacked the West is still supporting Nazis in the Ukraine! I suppose it will take some Nazi atrocity in London, Warsaw or Munich to wake up the zombified western general public to the simple reality that sponsoring and using terrorist is always a very dangerous policy. If not, then the West will continue on a neverending cycle of terrorism sponsoring and grief-fests, over and over again.
[Sidebar: I am often criticized for stating that Russia is not part of the West, ever was, and never will be. If you believe that I am wrong, ask yourself a simple question: why is it that Russian victims of atrocities (including Western sponsored atrocities!) are treated just like Black or Brown people and not like the other putatively “civilized” Whites? QED.]
Oh how much I wish most people in the West could understand Russian read the Russians newspapers, watch Russian talkshows or listen to Russian conferences! They would see something which they have been conditioned to consider impossible: far from fearing the West, most Russians find it crippled with narrow-minded consumerism, devoid from any real moral or ethical values, fantastically ignorant and provincial and suffering from terminal infantilism. Even the tiny pro-Western minority now gave up on defending the West and, at most, it retorts against the typical tsunami of anti-western arguments something like “what about us – are we not as bad?” or even “let’s not sink down to their level!”. It is quite amazing to see that happening in a country which used to almost worship anything western just 20-30 years ago! I should add that if the most despised and ridiculed country must, of course, be Poland, France is not far behind in the list of “most pathetic”, As for the USA, it is the least despised adversary simply because most Russian respect the US for defending whatever it perceives has its national interests and for making Europe it’s “bitch”. The Russians always say that to get something done one must talk to the USA and waste time with its European colony.
If we look beyond all that rather shameful display of narcissistic self-pity, the real question is what is France going to do about it? Here again, there are two dimensions:
First, in purely military terms France will now commit the Charles de Gaulle with its wing of Rafales to the strikes on Daesh. Good, but compared to what the Russians are brining to the fight, it’s really irrelevant.
Second, in purely political terms, the French just might do something very interesting: apparently they have agreed with the Russians that the Russian forces in Syria will provide “cover” for the French. I am not really sure why a Rafale would need “cover” but whatever – what matters here is that the French have de-facto entered into an alliance with Russia over Syria and that, in turn, could open the door for other western countries. In other words, we just might (finally!) see a multi-national Russian-lead alliance take on the fight with Daesh and that, in turn, means that these countries would de-facto find themselves allied with Damascus. If northern Europe walks in lockstep with Uncle Sam, countries of souther Europe (Italy? Greece?) might decide to assist the Russians, as might Egypt or Jordan. I am not sure that such a coalition will happen, but at least now it might and that, by itself, is also an interesting development. This being said, Hollade is about to meet Obama in the US and he will probably be told in no uncertain terms that he must not “play ally” with Russia. Considering how abjectly subservient Hollande has been the the USA, I am not optimistic at all about the French meaningfully joining forces with Russia.
Third, there is no doubt in my mind, but many others do disagree, that the Zionist regime in power in Paris is making the maximal use of all these events to stir up an anti-Muslim hysteria in France. And I am not talking about the stupidity of insisting to serve an non-halal meal with wine to an Iranian leader who also happens to be a cleric, or the now “old” anti-hijab harassment in French schools. What I am talking about is the openly declared idea that traditional Islam is incompatible with the secular French Republic and that it therefore represents a danger to society. Conversely, the only “good” form of Islam is one of abject collaborationism with the Zionist regime typified by the infamous Hassen Chalghoumi, Imam of the mosque in Drancy. The message is clear: the only “good Muslim” is a Zionist Muslim. All others are potential or actual, terrorists and shall be treated as such. That, in turn, makes it easier for Takfiri recruiters to find more volunteers for their terrorist operations which, in turn, make it possible to the regime to pass even more draconian laws, including laws against free speech or Internet freedom. Being a real, pious and practicing, Muslim in France will become very, very hard in the near future. It certainly appears to me that the warnings of Sheikh Imran Hosein are coming true.
The unknown “breaking point” of Daesh
After six weeks of very hard fighting Russia has brought in the big stick, but those who expect Daesh to collapse under Russian air operations should not rejoice too soon. Breaking Daesh will probably take a much bigger effort. But let me explain why I am saying “probably”.
For the first time in many weeks and months Daesh is truly in a difficult situation, not a desperate one yet, but a difficult one. Unless something changes in the current dynamic, time is now beginning to run against Daesh. Still, the resilience of Daesh in the current conditions is close to impossible to predict, at least without some very good information from the frontlines and that is something which most analysts, including myself, don’t have. When a force is put under pressure the way Daesh has been, there is a breaking point somewhere in the future at which point the force collapses really fast. The problem is that it is extremely difficult to estimate how far away in time such a (wholly theoretical) breaking point might be because it really depends on the morale and determination of the Daesh fighters on the ground. All we can say at this point in time is that such a breaking point exists in a theoretical future and that we hope that it will be reached soon. But we also have to be aware that this might not be the case at all. Not only that, but we have to take a long hard look at the most puzzling issue of them all: why did Daesh deliberately place itself in such a position. Here are a few hypotheses I can come up with:
1) Daesh leaders are crazed lunatics. They are in such a hurry to get to heaven that all they want is to die in combat against the infidels. Alternatively, they are so deluded about their power that they think that they can take on the entire planet and prevail. While I cannot discount this hypothesis completely, I find it highly unlikely simply because even if the rank-and-file Takfiri is an ignorant goat herder, the middle and top level commanders are clearly sophisticated and well-educated.
2) Daesh has outlived its utility for the AngloZionist Empire and now it is sent into a battle it cannot win, but which will kill off thousands of now useless liver-eating sociopaths. Maybe. I don’t know where any evidence to support this hypothesis could be found, but this one at least make sense to me.
3) The real purpose for Daesh has always been the same: to inflict such damage to the entire Middle-East that, by comparison, and Israeli occupation would appear as a liberation to the few “lucky” ones who would survive the medieval horrors meted out by Daesh on a daily basis on all the territories it controls. So the bigger the bloodier the fight, the better for the Israelis who have taken a relatively strong state controlled by a relatively strong Baathist leaders – Assad père et fils – and who have now turned it into a heap of smoldering ruins. The problem with this theory is that unless something changes Daesh will not win, but lose, and that Assad will come out not weaker, but much stronger. And I won’t even mention the fact that Syria now has a small, but battle hardened military whereas the putatively “invincible” Tsahal only is experienced at shooting unarmed civilians. So if there was an Israeli plan to prepare for a future “Grand Israel” it backfired pretty badly.
Frankly, I find none of the hypotheses above really convincing and that makes me nervous. The question which always haunts all analysts is “what am I missing” and, in this case, it also haunts me. I honestly cannot imagine that the Daesh leaders would sincerely believe that they can win the kind of “war against everybody” they apparently are determined to fight. I would hope that somebody with better understanding of Daesh, fluent in Arabic and well-versed in Takfiri literature would give us all the reply to this apparently simple question: what does Daesh really want? I will gladly admit that I have no idea. And that worries me a lot.
The Resistance and its options
Seven weeks into the Russian intervention the Resistance to Empire is doing well and it still has the potential to intensify its struggle. First and foremost, what are most needed at this point in time are more combatants on the ground. I still believe that the Russians are not going to provide ground troops for Syria. My guess is that Hezbollah is pretty close to be maxed out. Unless I am missing something, this means that the only party capable of providing many more combatants on the ground is Iran. Right now, the official line out of Moscow, is that one of the goals of the Russian intervention is to give the Syrians enough time to reorganize and field a much bigger force. Maybe. I hope that they can do that soon enough to fully use the momentum created by the Russian intervention.
As for the Russians, are are also coming close to being maxed out. In terms of air force, they could have allocated even more aircraft, but they did not do so simply because they know that there is only that much any air force can do when intervening in a civil war. Still, this time around the Russians really “mean business”: According to the latest figures, the latest Russian strikes was formidable: ten ships from the Caspian Sea and the Mediterranean coordinated strategic cruise missile strikes on Daesh targets. 18 cruise missiles were fired by only four ships the Caspian Sea flotilla, see the footage here:
According to official figures, in just four days, the Russian air force have conducted 522 sorties, deploying more than 100 cruise missiles and 1,400 tons of bombs of various types. Just one cruise missile strike in Deir ez-Zor had killed more than 600 militants. Clearly, Daesh is taking a formidable beating (the “pretend airstrikes” of the US-lead “pretend coalition” probably gave them a false sense of security of what an angry superpower can *really* do went it means it).
I am quite certain that Russia can keep up this pace of operations for a long while: while the stocks of the latest “Kalibr-NK” are reportedly low, Russia is now using a lot of her immense Cold War arsenal where there stocks of cruise missiles and gravity bombs are plentiful. Russia will run out of targets long before she runs out of these strategic weapons. This is no joke, by the way: it makes no sense to fire multi-million Ruble cruise missiles at non-lucrative, secondary or even tactical targets. The situation is better with relatively cheaper gravity bombs, but the biggest problem is that Daesh targets will eventually split into two groups: destroyed ones and well hidden ones. At this point the Russian intervention will not become useless, but it will reach a point of diminishing marginal returns, both in a financial and in a strategic sense. This happened to the USA and NATO in Kosovo and it happened to Israel in Lebanon. Of course, the AngloZionists then switched their attention to what they call “infrastructure” and “support” target destruction, but which are basically terror strikes against the civilian population. Russia will not engage in such systematic policy of warcrimes and thus the option of bombing Raqqa into oblivion is not something we will see the Russians do (the US, in contrast, probably will). This leaves only the naval component of the Russian task force.
The main task of the Russian naval task force has been to protect the Russian logistics and to provide air defenses to the newly built airbase with Latakia. Apparently, Russian denial notwithstanding, there are S-400s in Khmeimim, but if not, we can assume that S-300s are. So the air-defense task for the Russian naval task force is now been replaced by a role of support for the Russian logistical effort which I expect to not only continue, but even to also sharply increase. This is where the Russians can do the most good and where they are not maxed out: help the Syrians reequip, reassemble, reorganize, retrain and *finally* provide them with relatively modern equipment (at least on par with what Daesh has). My guess is that after 4 years of war the Syrians need literally *everything* and this is were the Russians can play a crucial role.
The current Russian naval task force allocated to Syria is far from being trivial, see for yourself:
(For a full-size high-res file please click here: https://www.mediafire.com/?k8nrpe24o55laft)
This is by no means a small force. Still, there have been some speculations that the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov might join the naval task force off the Syrian coast. I find that rather unlikely. Unlike the US aircraft carriers, the Admiral Kuznetsov has was designed from day 1 to be primarily and anti-aircraft platform (primarily to protect the Russian submarine bastions) and not as a landstrike aircraft carrier. The Russians are currently reconsidering this role, but for the time being the Kuznetsov has very limited landstrike capabilities. Of course, if needed, the Kuznetsov could be used to strengthen the air-defense capabilities of Syria or the Russian contingent in Syria, but that is not something which will directly affect Daesh. Still, I would not count out the Kuznetsov either: according to the latest reports, she will be sent to a patrolling area off the Kola Peninsula, but that is not set in stone.
In terms of direct attack support, a possible Russian option would be to use submarine-based cruise missiles, but with 25 long-range strategic bombers already allocated to this task, this would not be a game changer either. My feeling is that the Russians are now as strongly committed as they can. The only thing they could do now would be to increase the flow of modern weapons to Syria and to provide the technical personnel to train the Syrians. In my opinion this, along with an energetic political campaign to force the West to accept the facts on the ground, is the most likely Russian strategy for the future: continue to pound Daesh, while re-building the Syrian military and “engaging” Russia’s western “partners”.
Frankly, I will conclude by saying that I find this Russian strategy as militarily sound as it is morally correct. Russia cannot win this war “for” the Syrians. The best thing Russian can do is to provide meaningful help, and that she is very much doing.
With Hezbollah probably maxed-out, the big unknown is Iran: will the Iranians dare to bring in a much larger contingent of ground-forces to take the pressure off the Syrians? I hope not – because that would mean that the Syrian could do well even without such aid, but I still consider an Iranian surge as very likely.
As for the Syrians, Assad has just declared that he would not leave power before the defeat of Daesh. In other words, Assad has just turned the tables on the West and declared that the “departure” (i.e. elimination) of Daesh is now a pre-condition of his departure. Only time will show whether this is grandstanding or true confidence.
What about the “Indispensable Nation”:
I realize that bashing the USA is always a popular exercise, but for all my hostility to the AngloZionist Empire I also have to admit that the US is in a very bad and complicated position: it has created a bloody mess (literally), then it painted itself into a political corner, and all of its so-called ‘regional allies’ are, I believe, inherently disloyal and pursue their own interests. If you look at the relationship between the USA, on one hand, and countries like Turkey, Qatar, the KSA or Israel on the other, it really is hard to establish who uses whom and whether what we are seeing is a case of a tail wagging the dog. Take Qatar: there is no doubt that the presence of CENTCOM in Qatar gave the Qatari a strong sense of impunity which, in turn, bred arrogance and, frankly, irresponsibility. The Qatari wanted Assad “out” so they could get their gas to the Mediterranean, but now they are directly involved in the bombing of a Russian airliner. As for their much wanted pipeline, they can forget it for at least a decade now. How smart was that? More relevantly: is Qatar a good ally for the USA? What about Turkey which is actively supporting, financing, equipping and training Daesh (and al-Qaeda – same difference!) under the convenient protection of NATO. They apparently cannot decide which is worse: Assad or the Kurds, and since they fear them both, they end up in bed with liver-eating sociopaths. Is that a good ally for the USA? I won’t even go into the Israeli issue – we all know that AIPAC runs Congress and the Neocons try run the White House. None of which elicits any big love or loyalty from the Israelis who are constantly looking at the “Russian option” (partnering up with Russia) to get things done in the Middle-East. Besides, since the slow-mo genocide of Palestinians by the Ziocrazies currently in power is continuing, being allied to the Israelis means being hated by everybody else. Still, at least and unlike the other “regional allies” of the USA, the Israeli regime itself is stable, fairly predictable and can unleash an immense amount of violence. So compared to the Saudis, the Israelis look outright attractive. Still, at the end of the day, the USA has to try to get out of this mess without alienating its allies too much, but also without being manipulated by them.
Some seem to believe that the correct policy for the USA would be to work together with Russia. While this would undoubtedly make sense for the USA as a country, it would make no sense at all for the USA as an Empire. For the US (AngloZionist) Empire and the “deep state” forces which run it Russia is, indeed, a far bigger threat because Russia directly threatens the imperial status of the USA. The USA can either be the “Indispensable Nation” and world hegemon, or a “normal country” part of a civilized and multipolar world system ruled by the rule of law. It cannot be (or do) both. So when the US “deep state” is categorical in its refusal to do anything meaningful with Russia, it does act logically, at least from its point of view. As any other Empire, the USA sees its relationship with any competitor (actual or possible) as a zero-sum game which means that anything good for Russia is bad for the USA and vice-versa. Yes, this is sick and sociopathic, but this is how all Empires function. Hence the current US policies: the only good coalition is a US-lead one, any anti-Russian force must be supported, there will be no negotiations with Russia – only demands and ultimatums, etc. Add to this the apparently total lack of well-educated and competent diplomats (Americans get killed in every single negotiation they have conducted with the Russians), and you will see why the US is so averse to any notion of being anything other than hostile and confrontational with Russia.
The US of A is in a terrible mess, the upcoming elections are only making matters worse and that makes the USA highly unpredictable. Yes, there is, I suppose, a small chance that the French might set a precedent for collaboration with Russia, but I am not holding my breath here. Maybe if another massacre is committed in Europe, especially Germany, but even that is a long shot. Still, there have been cases in history when a slave gave some good advice to his master and maybe this will happen this time around. I sure hope so.
Addendum: was I really wrong about my predictions about the Russian intervention in Syria?
I think that this is a good time to reply to those who have accused me of being wrong about the Russian intervention in Syria. I could have done that as soon as these accusations were made, but I concluded that to do so in the flagwaving “go Russia! go!” kind of atmosphere this was futile. Many at that time were sure that this was the “showndown of the century” (no less), a “game changer” and that it was all “over” for Daesh. Seven weeks into this intervention, I propose to revisit what I actually said.
First, I never said that no military intervention would take place. In fact, I repeated over and over again that I cannot prove a negative and that an intervention *might* take place, I even suggested one (limited to intelligence support, training and weapons). All I said that the kind of intervention which was discussed 7-8 weeks ago would not take place: no Russian boots, no MiG-31, no forces in Damascus, no Russian SSBNs, no Airborne Forces, etc. And, indeed, that kind of intervention did not happen. Furthermore, I also said that the notion that Russia could “protect” Syria from NATO is laughable. It still is! Does anybody still seriously believe that the Russian contingent in Syria really has that kind of capabilities?! If so, I got a bridge to sell them. Now, I will gladly admit that I did not think that Putin would agree to what I consider an extremely daring and risky option of sending a very small force into Syria, a force just barely big enough to (maybe) give enough relief for the Syrians to reorganize and counter-attack. That I did, indeed, miss. As did everybody else who predicted a *much* larger Russian intervention (with MiG-31s and all the rest of the nonsense). I will also admit that I am still amazed at the fact that the Russians, who are both intervention-averse and risk-averse, did go for such a risky move and I marvel at the superb way they executed their operation. But they way they actually did it is something which nobody predicted.
Second, I also got in trouble for raising the alarm about the limited capabilities inherent to any air operation and, specifically, to a rather small Russian one. Now that the Russians had to use their cruise missiles and strategic aviation (which I did predict, by the way) is there anybody who will deny that I was right about the limitation of using airpower against Daesh, especially with the low number of aircraft initially brought in?
Third, I did point out that the Russian law and general public are extremely foreign intervention averse. That is still very true and that is still limiting the Kremlin’s options. This is why Russian officials go out of their way to stress that the Russian intervention in Syria is primarily in Russia’s national interest.
I want to set the record straight today not because of some ruffled feathers or a hurt ego, but because I am sick and tired of having to reply to a toxic combo of strawman accusations and jingoistic predictions. High-fiving, flag waving and back-slapping are all very fine unless you are the one sent into combat. Then they become obscene.
There are those out there (quite a few, in fact), who accuse me of “pessimism” and of writing “defeatist” analyses when what is needed is “uplifting” and “inspiring” essays. If that is the accusation, then I plead “guilty as charged”. But I will also add that this is not how I see my role. My role is to write truthful and honest analyses regardless of whether they are received as “uplifting” or “pessimistic”. There are plenty of “inspiring” and “uplifting” blogs out there, so if that is what you are in to, you know where to find them.
Finally, I also got into trouble for saying early on that one ought to wait for facts before coming to conclusions about what happened to Flight 9268 and for saying that my personal working hypothesis was that it was a bomb. Then I was accused of being naïve when I said that I did not believe that the Russians would lie about it. I know that there are still those who believe that the Israelis did it or that some kind of directed energy weapon did it. Whatever. There never was a shred of evidence to support either one of these hypotheses and I very much doubt that the future will bring any. To which we will be told that “the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence”. Again – whatever. It is also possible that a swarm of subatomic UFOs did it. “Possible” is a very low standard since almost anything is possible. But is it “probable” or “likely”? As soon as the “evidentiary bar” is raise just above the “possible” level all these theories instantly collapse. Again, while others are welcome to explore all sorts of “possible” hypotheses, I personally will stick to those who are at least probable.
At the end of the day it is you – the reader – who get’s to pick and chose whatever you like. There is a big and diverse blogosphere out there and that is a very good thing. I strive to present fact-based and logical analyses and I am not trying to win a popularity contest of “inspire” you (-: unless, of course, you find fact-based and logical analyses inspiring :-)
Having clarified this, I won’t do that again the next time I am accused of writing what I never wrote or of failing to cheer on the good guys.
The Saker
Talking of Qatar, there is talk of an open letter by the leaders of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, stating that they “share a positive attitude towards the Russian Federation, which supports the Arabs and Muslims today.” Moreover, the letter states that if any decision is to be made in relation to the Russian Federation, those making the decision must first consult Russia’s Islamic theologians.”
Is this a hoax, or what?
(Petr Lvov – 20/11/15 – New Eastern Outlook: “Wolf in sheep’s clothing: Why Qatar wants ‘to make friends’ with Russia – http://www.sott.net/article/306857-Wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-Why-Qatar-wants-to-make-friends-with-Russia)
They don’t want a cruise missile barrage to end their soulless lives.
Qatar should be ground to dust. Then use the oil and gas to support poor Arab peoples in the ME.
Add to that the following:
“ISIS says soda can bomb detonated on Russian plane got the wrong target”
Chris Smith, BGR News, November 20, 2015
“A few days after the Paris attacks that left hundreds dead and injured, Russia confirmed that a homemade explosive device was detonated on board MetroJet Flight 9268 in October, killing all 224 passengers. Since then, ISIS published images of the bomb that was detonated inside the airplane, saying that the Russian flight wasn’t the original target. Instead, ISIS wanted to shoot down a Western plane….
The bomb may have been smuggled on board by airport service personnel in charge of cleaning, or delivering baggage and food.
Meanwhile, ISIS explained it had a different target in mind.
“And so after having discovered a way to compromise the security at the Sharm el-Sheikh International Airport and resolving to bring down a plane belonging to a nation in the American-led Western coalition against the Islamic State, the target was changed to a Russian plane,” the message read.
Have they realized that the Damocles sword is really dangling above their heads?
So,an “interesting” question is “why” the target was changed? Was it just more convenient at that time to hit the Russian plane.Or was there a real reason.Were they “ordered” to make that change.And if so,by who?
The change of Target to Russian plane took place with some definite motive. Additionally, taking responsibility and putting photograph of soda can has been done with a specific purpose.
This will reduce the maneuverability of Russians. After 224 person dies, Russia cannot exit the Syria at anytime soon, even if they want so in near future. Russian population will ensure that.
If I didn’t know about Russia’s strength, I would think that Russia has been ambushed cleverly !
regards
Now a Russian Jet fighter is downed. Turkey takes the blame. But who really did it? >> https://goo.gl/qazI3V
Dear The Saker,
Good to see you here and finding some peace in writing your analysis at this stressful time.
A couple of updates for you:
1) UNSC passes French resolution
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151121/1030489236/unsc-adopts-counterterrorism-resolution.html
I hope this won’t be abused as Libya’s was…..
2) Lebanon Suspends Flights Over Mediterranean Due to Russian Drills
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151120/1030486782/lebanon-suspends-flights-russian-manoeuvre.html
What do you think the Russian forces are doing?
Rgds,
Veritas
I dont trust that UNSC resolution, I think it will be open to abuse. If the Anglo-Zionist have a chance to abuse it, they will.
French drafted UNSC proposal accepted
What the heck … Did Russia just get shafted or did Russia pull a rabbit out of hat?
UN calls on world to fight ISIS as Security Council unanimously adopts French-drafted resolution.
The resolution “calls upon member states that have the capacity to do so to take all necessary measures … on the territory under the control of ISIL … in Syria and Iraq.”
IS “constitutes a global and unprecedented threat to international peace and security,” the resolution says.
https://www.rt.com/news/322931-un-resolution-fight-terrorism-isis/
Believe it or not, UNSC resolutions may be a cover for member states to do what they want to.But it doesn’t put cover over them for violating the UN Charter itself.Nor international laws.So whatever they might thing they still need Syria’s permission to operate over their territory by law.Yes I know if a nation isn’t powerful enough to physically stop them ,they will do what they want.But Syria still should proclaim them in violation and take the case to the World Court.If nothing else don’t let them establish a precedent of violating laws without being challenged.
first step is to “legalize” US & Co. presence in Syria. then, when time came, the same legal exit would be provided for US & Co. now they are illegally present in Syria. de jure-they are not there. the facto -they are and they are doing what they want.
Uncle Bob
I am afraid that your avuncular advice is right on the spot.
“Barack Obama says Russia faces strategic choice as Assad can’t stay”,
Toluse Olorunnipa and Angela Greiling Kean
Date November 22, 2015 – 10:24PM
Kuala Lumpur: US President Barack Obama said Russia must make a strategic decision about Syria and the next several weeks will show whether Russian President Vladimir Putin will give up backing the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad to join in a broad campaign against Islamic State.
The US won’t in any circumstances agree to a political settlement for the civil war in Syria that leaves Assad in power because he’s lost all legitimacy, Mr Obama said. As long as Mr Assad remains, that is no way to unite the country’s various factions for the fight against Islamic State, Mr Obama said.
“It is not conceivable that Mr Assad can regain legitimacy in a country in which a large majority of that country despises Assad, and will not stop fighting so long as he’s in power,” Mr Obama said on Sunday at a news conference in Kuala Lumpur.
There is an increasing awareness on Mr Putin’s part that the extremist group is a much bigger threat to Russia than losing an embattled ally in Mr Assad or anything else in the region, Mr Obama said. The downing of a Russian passenger jet last month drove that point home to Mr Putin, he said.
The US and its allies will press ahead with their battle against Islamic State in Syria and Iraq with or without Russia’s cooperation, he said. Discussions will continue in Vienna searching for a political solution.
“Russia has not officially committed to a transition of Assad moving out but they did agree to a political transition process,” Mr Obama said. “And I think we’ll find out over the next several weeks whether or not we can bring about that change in perspective with the Russians.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/barack-obama-says-russia-faces-strategic-choice-as-assad-cant-stay-20151122-gl55j4.html#ixzz3sGbTyie4
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More:
“Britain set to join air strikes against Isil in Syria before Christmas
David Cameron will set out his “comprehensive strategy” to defeat Islamic State as he accelerates efforts to win cross-party backing for British air strikes in Syria”, by Tim Ross, Robert Mendick, Andrew Gilligan and Rob Crilly, 12:37AM GMT 21 Nov 2015:
Britain looks set to join bombing raids against Isil terrorists in Syria before Christmas.
Downing Street sources are increasingly confident that David Cameron will win a key vote in the Commons authorising the attacks.
The Prime Minister will set out his “comprehensive strategy” to defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) within days, as he accelerates efforts to win cross-party backing for British air strikes, which would be carried out by RAF Tornado planes.
Today George Osborne, the Chancellor, will promise to put Britain on a “full war footing” and reveal plans to buy 138 stealth fighter jets at a cost of £12 billion. The purchase will be the centrepiece of the Government’s Strategic Defence and Security Review, unveiled tomorrow.
The deal will treble the firepower of the UK’s two new aircraft carriers and, Mr Osborne said, put the country on a “full war footing” in the Middle East FOR A GENERATION (my emphasis).
But British military experts urged Mr Cameron to consider using ground troops to defeat the jihadist group who attacked Paris and killed 130 people in what President Hollande called an “act of war”.
Writing in The Telegraph, Lord Dannatt, the former head of the Army, even suggested Syrian refugees in camps on its borders should be trained and returned to Syria to fight Isil (read Assad!).
“They should be motivated and armed, with our help, to fight for their villages, towns and cities. It may sound harsh, but some of their blood should be shed in the attack on Isil (read Assad!) before we even consider committing British ground troops to combat,” he said.
“The military success we seek will not come from the air alone. Every well-informed observer must surely recognise that. Throughout history, issues have been settled on the ground.” Lord Dannatt also urged Mr Cameron to call a Commons vote immediately.”
@http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12010048/Britain-set-to-join-air-strikes-against-Isil-in-Syria-before-Christmas.html
Why the russians or chinese have never been abke tonget any resolution passed in unsc which was not in interest of anglos ?
And why rusdia let pass unsc resolutions which west badly wants and which is not in rusdian interest ?
That shows how weak russia is.
for those looking for “evidence” of nov 13 “false flag” in paris, these 2 posts might be helpful:
http://russia-insider.com/en/qui-bono-who-benefits-paris-attacks/ri11318
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/18/will-the-matrix-prevail-paul-craig-roberts/
the second post has a couple of links that are particularly interesting.
Dear Saker
Your outpouring of creative energy shows that in grief there are higher energies at work.
Just like Fyodor Dostoevsky said~~~~
“Pain and suffering are always inevitable for a large intelligence and a deep heart. The really great men must, I think, have great sadness on Earth.”
To me, the most persuasive thesis about “what Daesh really wants” has always been “They are the successor to al Qaida, and they want what bin Laden said he wanted”.
That is, they hope to embroil Western powers in ongoing fighting and invasions throughout the Middle East, turning the whole area into, basically, Libya. In these circumstances, the decadent regimes they hate disintegrate, while nearly everyone in the region will come to hate the West. This will allow extremist groups such as al Qaeda to take over. Once they are ascendant, they merely need to outlast all the invaders and they will be the main force in what will otherwise be a power vacuum throughout the region, and they can take over.
Up until now, it may be that Daesh leaders had believed they would be able to establish a viable country in Syria and part of Iraq from which they could expand–that they wouldn’t be stopped because of the contradictory motivations of the Americans–and perhaps that general instability was already great enough (eg in Yemen, Libya, even Egypt) that classic al Qaeda terrorist provocations would be unnecessary. The Russian and to some extent Iranian involvement, along with the continued resilience of the Syrian Kurds and Hezbollah, may have changed their mind. They may have concluded that they cannot actually win the conventional war in Syria with the Russians in the picture, and so their remaining option is to sow the seeds of future instability and comeback by pushing the Russians, French and others to be too heavy-handed and indiscriminate, getting them to create chaos and resentment so that even if the war is technically won, the Syrian state will be unable to re-establish legitimacy and stability, and the troubles may spill over into nearby countries such as Lebanon and Turkey. More or less trying for Syria as Afghanistan.
So basically they may have returned to a long game of trying to trigger ever-greater regional instability until there is no social fabric to inhibit the spread of violent takfiri movements. It may be, though, that in the case of Syria in particular they will fail. As long as the Russians don’t try to take over, which I don’t see them doing, the winners of the war on the ground will be the Syrian armed forces, working for a government with a good deal of legitimacy and even popularity, and an institutional capacity that the “mayor of Kabul” never had. The Syrian government will also not be hobbled, as the new nascent Iraqi government was after the invasion, by a boss insisting on neoliberal free-market nostrums that themselves shred a country’s social fabric. They may well be able to re-establish a working government and regenerate the social fabric, stabilizing the country.
Firstly, thanks Saker for a fantastic Blog.
Daesh motives and actions are a puzzle. Had they not, early on, started chopping heads off on TV, I think they could have very well taken over Syria and part of Iraq. The rest of the world may not have liked it but, after Afghanistan and Iraq, many people may have tried to reconcile it as democratic and if thats what the people want……
I think Russia would have had a lot more resistance from the West and the cries of “Assad must go” would be overwhelming.
So Daesh has gone out of its way to cause itself a lot of trouble. The reason for this appears to be an attempt to fulfill its beliefs by bringing on an “Apocalyptic” finish to the world.
I guess we will see how that plays out.
On the ground I do think Russia needs to help the SAA a lot more. The SAA has had some success but not nearly enough to ever look like eliminating Daesh. I dont like the idea of Russia sending in 100,00 troops or even Iran sending them. It would be so much better if Syria could be seen to do it themselves. What I would like to see is the Russians giving the Syrians better gear that can survive on the battlefield and much better training and direction so that they can take over ground quickly and hold it.
The stage of the war at the moment appears to be pivotal. With the SAA not looking like an early victory I see the West getting restless and frustrated. The possibility of the US changing step seems to be on, with Hilary Clinton basically calling for Nato to invade Syria.
Im not sure how Russia is going to react to this.
If the Syrian state wins in this war, Syria will have forged a diverse assortment of races, religions, and nationalities into a true country.
I’m afraid to say, that prior to the cowardly attack on the legal sovereign government of Pres.B.Al Assad, the country was already a mixture of races and religions which co-habited in relatively good harmony.
i’m not afraid to say the secular Syrian Govt has long been a great mix of nationalities with a lot going for it. I see no reason for Al Assad to step down. I wouldn’t. When it’s time for elections i trust he’ll be elected by a %75-80 again.
Again, brilliant. And inspiring and uplifting.
@What about the “Indispensable Nation”?
It is undeniable that the question which always haunts all analysts is “what am I missing”. In that case, I think that it is “missing the real target”. Which is really the “indispensable nation”? The only “western, civilized, (vibrant!) democracy” in the region, which besides all that has received from G-d the promise that he would send the “Messiah” (the future Jewish King from the Davidic line), to be anointed with holy anointing oil and ushering the “Messianic Age”, which must, of course, have a territorial base in the form of a Kingdom.
“The real purpose for Daesh has always been the same: to inflict such damage to the entire Middle-East that, by comparison, and Israeli occupation would appear as a liberation to the few lucky ones who would survive the medieval horrors meted out by Daesh on a daily basis on all the territories it controls. So if there was an Israeli plan to prepare for a future “Grand Israel” it backfired pretty badly”.
It probably did, but how badly? The grand plan certainly has, certainly, contingency sub-plans.
“None of which elicits any big love or loyalty from the Israelis who are constantly looking at the “Russian option” (partnering up with Russia) to get things done in the Middle-East. Besides, since the slow-mo genocide of Palestinians by the Ziocrazies currently in power is continuing, being allied to the Israelis means being hated by everybody else. Still, at least and unlike the other “regional allies” of the USA, the Israeli regime itself is stable, fairly predictable and can unleash an immense amount of violence. So compared to the Saudis, the Israelis look outright attractive.”
The task assigned to Daesh was indeed to wreak maximum havoc. And immediately the “it is like Israel”, “that’s how we live for 20 years”, mantras started to be intoned. That’s the giveaway.
Daesh will not disappear, they will join the “moderate opposition”. Assad will remain the villain (do not forget that all Takfirists are animated by the same messianic currents as their supposed enemies – who finance them underhand).
I failed to include “sobering”. Sobering is crucial in today’s over-heated and polemical political atmosphere.
And where are those t-shirts?
The Saker said: ” If northern Europe walks in lockstep with Uncle Sam, countries of souther Europe (Italy? Greece?) might decide to assist the Russians, as might Egypt or Jordan.”
I am very pessimistic about Greece and also Italy in cooperating for the good. The political situation in those two countries is absolutely dire. The fact that the Brussels Politburo is a fascist one, it does give me that impression from the facts on the ground.
The Greeks have given up on voting (more than 50% abstained) when in the past were the only ones that they held voting, to be of a high duty as well. They have tried all the political spectrum to no avail. Voting does not get them anywhere.
On the subject in Syria they feel let down by ALL the politicians as well as some of the other “Left” Parties outside the Parliament. I Feel that the elections were rigged but let not bother with that at the moment.
In the past The Greek Population always supported the Syrians irrespective of their Government. They still do. But the politically active one ARE FINANCED BY OUTSIDE NGO’s. (See Soros) In my talks to Greeks I always found that they cannot understand a simple mystery.
Greece is Importing Lemons from Argentina even when Greek lemons are available. But they cannot import Argentinian Beef.
They are not allowed to export to Russia Oranges and lemons or other Mediterranean produce, because they have to be in line of the “European Family”
I am sure the Southern Italians suffer as much as I can see them coming to work abroad. I also saw the same complaints.
Now, Is there a Northern European programme against the Southerners? Well! honestly I don’t know.
There are of course Corrupt Southern Politicians But I would not put the Northern ones next to saints ,especially with what they up to around the world, slaughtering civilians.
I consider Greece to be UNDER OCCUPATION.
Let’s not forget that Greeks from Imperialist Russia gave the money and other help for the 1821 Greek Revolution against the Ottomans.
Maybe the Greeks will find the courage to get independent, and resume economic and other activities with their long established friendship with the Russian World.
The Syrians are at least fighting to preserve their Independence and I hope that they can achieve it.
Here’s my worry -that self-fulfilling religious prophecy from both ISIL and US evangelical neocons is propelling them both to war. I am not an expert on the subject but the barking mad neocon evangelical fundies expect war with Russia, which they seem to be doing a fine job of precipitating. Jordan from what I recall is the location of the BIG battle..
Perhaps someone coversant with eschatology and the various prophecies around it can refute (hopefully) it in this case.
Anonymous, where are you?
@Jordan from what I recall is the location of the BIG battle
I am afraid that your recollection is defective.
The big battle would be at the place called Armageddon.
“The word “Armageddon” appears only once in the Greek New Testament, in Revelation 16:16. The word is translated to Greek from Hebrew har məgiddô (הר מגידו), har – Strong H2022 – meaning “a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively): – hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion.” This is a shortened form of Harar – Strong H2042 – “to loom up; a mountain; -hill, mount”. Megiddo – Strong מְגִדּוֹן H4023 /meg-id-do’/ “Megiddon or Megiddo, a place of crowds.”) “Mount” Tel Megiddo is not actually a mountain, but a tell (a hill created by many generations of people living and rebuilding on the same spot) on which ancient forts were built to guard the Via Maris, an ancient trade route linking Egypt with the northern empires of Syria, Anatolia and Mesopotamia. Megiddo was the location of various ancient battles, including one in the 15th century BC and one in 609 BC. Modern Megiddo is a town approximately 25 miles (40 km) west-southwest of the southern tip of the Sea of Galilee in the Kishon River area.”
But don’t worry too much. The real Book of Revelation has nothing to do with the “end of times”.
based on Islamic eschatology : it seems to go as follows :
Umm Salamah reported that the Prophet said, “People will begin to differ after the death of a Khalifah. A man from the people of Madînah will flee to Makkah. Some of the people of Makkah will come to him and drag him out against his will; they will swear allegiance to him between al-Rukn and al-Maqam. An army will be sent against him from Syria; it will be swallowed up in the desert between Makkah and Madînah. ( http://www.islamiceschatology.com/al-mahdi/4575339450 ) …. for more do a bit of research : key words : Islamic eschatology mahdi syria
also check out : http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/11/why-is-israel-looking-for-imam-mahdi/
Thank-you everybody for the links; I am genuinely interested in what the various prophecies and, perhaps more importantly, how these are ‘shaped’ and enhanced to suit the power and greed of the stakeholders for want of a better word.
I find though the entire subject depressing and so full of nonsense (they can’t all be right) that I rapidly leave and focus on subjects that are less abstract and where truth can be more readily divined or at least weighted in that direction and interpreted in these times..
To explain that, truth can be hard to triangulate but spin is very easy to recognise and categorise, likewise news that is suppressed and hyperbole.
Take a BBC article on Ukraine for example. Expertise on the area is unecessary; one need know nothing more than the protagonists involved and the ability to make a cursory word analysis and see the obvious loaded statements (logical fallacies) and slant in the pictures:
Kiev and West good, Russia and rebels bad, very bad.
Sensationalist hyperbole can be recognised almost immediately (The Shocking Truth!) but since most news is dumbed down to tabloid level for the captive audience, so too is the propaganda. Really good, subtle but diabolically treacherous propaganda is difficult to insert into a gutter level tabloid framework. It works for the undiscerning masses obviously but for anyone with any critical thought or even street level cynicism it doesn’t pass even a cursory assessment.
End-Times prophecy and ‘Enders’ in particular -since they almost all come over as deluded, brain-washed saps to me- is difficult for me to assess since it all seems to fit the sensationalist hype and propaganda model. BTW, Jordan was mentioned by one of them:
http://the-end-time.blogspot.ca/2012/09/jordan-has-great-role-to-play-in-end.html
The provenance and many interpretations of religious prophecy through many languages (anyone who has tried to interpret a nuanced word in one language that lacks a precise equivalent in another, will understand the dilemma) place it all in an abstract framework.
Where is the truth? And is there such a thing as truth? Anonymous, care to weigh in?
“they seem”
All that glisters is not gold.
Counting the numbers of angels on the end of a pin kept some gainfully “employed”.
Well, you may think that the subject is a waste of time but the perception of evangelical fundies is real in the sense that, just like a placebo -yet another self-fulfilling prophecy- the result is a tangible (and very dangerous) one.
Or perhaps you don’t think there is a ramped up proxy war against Russia? Other theories -maybe the USA is provoking Russia into an arms race so that both the USA and Russia can later take on China?
That one is like a tea bag drawn over but barely touching a cup of hot water.
” but the perception of evangelical fundies is real in the sense that, just like a placebo -yet another self-fulfilling prophecy- the result is a tangible (and very dangerous) one.”
“Or perhaps you don’t think ……..”
Assertion, certainty, self-absorption and speculation are all vectors of transcendence.
Patience and perception are often facilitators.
Well I have always wanted patience now, and perception, even those of others, is always filtered through and blinkered by our own minds. I am too much of a horizontal thinker to give certainty much room except in mundane technical matters like the stall speed of a Russian SU-24 and my cynicism, which feels innate, is more likely a product of past upbringing and an ever-increasing disdain for human failings. Failings that are consistent throughout history.
Transcendence mostly eludes me; trapped in my own room I can only observe through those filtered windows as I lack the philosophical tools and even syntax to open the door. On a few occasions that door has opened for me – I believe I prevented a taxi driver’s impending death in the Middle East once. It could just (cynicism alert) be brain chemicals that produced an indescribable calm and a slowing of time but it was certainly a transcendence of some kind.
Not watching poisonous TV for decades now, as the noise to signal ratio makes it worthless, I can at least in my ‘trapped room’ watch the TV (views of others) supplied by this unique Saker blog.
Whatever Hippolyte Taine’s faults I can at least be consoled by these quotes:
“I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior”
“There are four varieties in society — the lovers, the ambitious, observers, and fools. The fools are the happiest.”
“this unique Saker blog”
It appears that this is another illustration of “Assertion, certainty, self-absorption and speculation”.
“consoled by these quotes”
Consolation is often a deflection strategy of the passive, as is reliance on “authorities” even if faults are acknowledged
“Whatever Hippolyte Taine’s faults…”
both limiting and/or precluding agency.
“as the noise to signal ratio makes it worthless”
This appears to be another illustration of “”Assertion, certainty, self-absorption and speculation”.
I suggest that human history, including the history of music, shows that noise is a variable concept, and that reliance on the binary a form of self-inflicted blindness.
High “noise” to signal “ratios” have many uses especially if it is understood that the ratio is always 1 since the constant is signal, given the numerator and the denominator are signals.
You also use the opponents’ ideological construct “worthless” with the implicit notion that everything of “value” is commodified – but you acknowledge that you are ” a horizontal thinker” ergo operate within a linear paradigm.
The opponents often operate in a linear paradigm, often illustrating that reliance on the linear such as “in mundane technical matters like the stall speed of a Russian SU-24” facilitates “surprises”, as outlined in the thread in respect of comparing the opponents’ “hardware” with the Russian “hardware”, including restricting definitions of war to things that go bang and/or failure to advance on the perceptions of Mr. Clausewitz derived almost 200 years ago.
The reinforcement of the linear is often achieved by notions of “collateral damage” and/or “unexpected consequences”, or the use of memory holes including but not restricted to –
The demise of the Soviet Union, the “financial crisis” of 2007/08, was a surprise to everyone.
““I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior”
“There are four varieties in society — the lovers, the ambitious, observers, and fools. The fools are the happiest.””
It would appear that Mr. Taine like some others relies on “Assertion, certainty, self-absorption and speculation”.
However not all do – some test hypotheses through implementation and derive other hypotheses therefrom.
All have some opportunity to do so, this opportunity increasing as use of deflection strategies are decreasing.
The Neocon Princess Under-Secretary Nuland, gravely embarrassed the US with her extension of the Neocon policy of recruiting East European nations all around Russia into a NATO anti-Russian force when her role in endorsing anti-Russian Mayan Right in Ukraine. Indeed, in his “go along to get along” approach to policy Obama created a wedge between the EU and the US. NATO is dead; Europeans are deeply committed to social justice and so cannot afford a military-industrial complex as Ike warned us about when leaving the Presidency. Yet, Obama acquiesced to these agents of the arms industries when he tried to force Europe into marching behind Nuland to draw Ukraine and the rim of Russia into the war-making NATO machinery. His “go along to get along” approach to the Neocons proved to be a failure, one that drove a deep wedge between the US and the EU needlessly.
It may be worth remembering that while Russia supported Syria’s Assad Government, Israel was exploiting that regime’s weakness by promoting, imply stated, anything that fragments the nations of the Middle East into hapless sectarian fragments. Russia jets quickly brought an end to that by downing Israeli jets bombing in Syria. So for Obama the issue is whether he will support fragmentation of the nations of the Middle east to Israel’s liking or whether he will support secular governments in these nations that bring them into modernity. This does not fit the intent of the Zionist Right in Israel that still sees Israel’s future expansion (it is the only nation in the world that refuses to accept its national borders as final) to the size it hopes to achieve as “the nation between the two rivers [Nile and Euphrates].” Our armaments bill for Israel will rise to $5 billion in the next year….and that’s for the state whose Project Daniel claims to have nuclear missiles aimed and ready to fire at every single population center in the Arab world.
For me that’s a sad perspective for the nation that could lead the Middle East into modernity. But worst still is that this is creating a wedge between the US and Europe while pushing Russia into a military alliance with China for security reasons. We are speaking here of the US, Russia, China and Israel, all of whom each have more nuclear arms than all of Europe. Fragmenting the global unity for collaborative security, provoking instead opponents alliances– as the military-industrial complexes propagandists, the neocons, dream of provoking– puts us back into the high anxiety status we went through in the Cold War. That was anything but a fitting end to the bloody two world wars. So what are we doing inserting ourselves in the sands of putrid Middle East sectarian scandals?
One need only note the absurd Medieval ISIS World we so seriously fear today, a direct byproduct of our dubious interventions in the Middle East, fed by the greedy desire to control its oil by VP Cheney’s ilk. Now oil has proven to be as abundant as it is dangerous to our planetary survival. Yet, we continue like pawns of a tiny nation’s regime in the region to service chaos in the Middle East with expensive air sorties and even our best troops. And, in the end, all of it is said to be as a counter-force to Russia. Why? Because we have forgotten our global mission as we serve the alleged interests of a small regime in a small nation. At the same time, we spend like a gambling addict at Las Vegas game tables, supporting the most corrupt and imoral regimes in the Middle East. Once again, we are pawns in the Sunni/Shia squabble which we know nothing about. And once again, we justify such pitiful stumbling about as “stopping Russia.” The result is that we make a lot of retired generals and one-percenters filthy rich while Obama helplessly abrogates his obligation to the very Americans that twice made him President.
Nuland no more deserves to be in the State Dept. than do any other Neocons. Yet Obama just goes along to get along as his final days are polluted by a return of the neocon vermin in government, making a tragic end for his presidency as they did for Bush. And all: TO STOP RUSSIA FROM EATING THE WORLD, per the Neocons. Do we ever learn?
For me that’s a sad perspective for the nation that could lead the Middle East into modernity. But worst still is that this is creating a wedge between the US and Europe while pushing Russia into a military alliance with China for security reasons. We are speaking here of the US, Russia, China and Israel, all of whom each have more nuclear arms than all of Europe. Fragmenting the global unity for collaborative security, provoking instead opponents alliances– as the military-industrial complexes propagandists, the neocons, dream of provoking– puts us back into the high anxiety status we went through in the Cold War. That was anything but a fitting end to the bloody two world wars. So what are we doing inserting ourselves in the sands of putrid Middle East sectarian scandals?
LOL. America has no moral legitimacy to lead anyone–Middle Eastern or otherwise–into “modernity.”
In fact, America is the leading the world towards a neo-feudal barbarism in all but name. Braindead American patriots call it “freedom and democracy.”
As for driving a wedge between the American Empire and Europe or providing an impetus for the Russian/Chinese alliance, those are all positive developments from the perspective of multipolarism.
It’s only unipolar American imperialists who bemoan these developments.
The so-called “global unity” that they pine for is really just an Orwellian euphemism for Pox Americana.
Neocons like Vicky Nuland are only a symptom of America in general, which is founded and based upon the supremacist belief in American Exceptionalism, an idea that has its seeds in the Massachusetts Bay Colony and John Winthrop.
Predatory expansitionism and aggression are fundmental to the American national character and soul. This is why the United States was able to colonize an entire continent by stealing Native Indians lands, which are under occupation by the USA to this very day.
“America is the leading the world towards a neo-feudal barbarism”
Sole/primary agency and predetermined outcome in a short phrase?
“American national character and soul.”
Do national characters and souls exist?
Can extrapolations that are not dependent on sampling be made on aggregates in a lateral system?
Are such extrapolations of utility given the opponents’ surveillance state and pursuits of the holy
grails of big data and full spectrum dominance?
Where and what is “America” ?
a Warrior Culture
“Where and what is ‘America’?”
A rogue terrorist nation that is illegally occupying much of the North American continent while pimping itself as the moral judge and jury of the world.
Asked and answered.
“Asked and answered.”
The nation state to which apparently refer is designated by some the United States of America.
The Americas are two continents.
For transcendence precision in definition is often required.
You appear to use various words without definition whilst relying on assertion and belief.
Thank you for your datastream.
Very well said, Eugrid. Excellent commentary. I agree completely. Thank You. Also much thanks to Saker for his outstanding help in understanding this whole mess and tragedy.
Female Fighters on the Frontline with ISIS in Sinai
http://www.jspacenews.com/female-fighters-frontline-isis-sinai/
Here’s a slightly irreverent idea. If things are light in the Donbass then form an all-woman battalion to fight ISIL in Syria. I noticed some real amazons -females who perhaps had a prior career in Olympic shotput. They should be able to both scare and thump the living tar out of the ISIL thugs and have them on the run in short order.
The Kurds of YPG are way ahead of you. They have all-woman forces who are having good success against ISIS.
Were the Paris Attacks Predicted on the January 2015 Cover of The Economist?
The Economist released in January a cryptic cover entitled “The World in 2015” which featured several enigmatic images. Did it predict both terrorist attacks in Paris in 2015?
Probably the most enigmatic part of the cover is the bottom right where we see two arrows with mysterious numbers, a pile of dirt and an old painting.
Looking back at what happened this year, this portion of the cover becomes rather troubling. It is a little too prophetic.
First, the painting next to the arrows is Leonardo Da Vinci’s La Belle Ferronière. That painting is currently located in the Louvre, in Paris.
Second, the numbers on the two arrows are 11.5 and 11.3. The Paris attacks occurred 11/13/15. The digits on the arrows can therefore be rearranged to make up the date.
The attack was claimed by ISIS. The Economist cover features an ISIS member holding a rifle.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/were-the-paris-attacks-predicted-on-the-january-cover-of-the-economist/
@Were the Paris Attacks Predicted on the January 2015 Cover of The Economist?
One should be cautious when finding “predictions” of certain events. But it is not so far-fetched to see in these predictions encrypted messages (like, for example, the stream of apparently nonsensical messages transmitted by the BBC to their agents in the field, to give the orders for specific actions). It certainly presupposes prior coordination between the transmitter and the receptor.
ISIS will fold and run. The US and Turkey want to stir trouble in the soft underbelly of Russia and the Western flank of China. They want to control (spread chaos) among the Central Asian nations and they want to keep Afghanistan and Pakistan roiling with madness.
So there is a big use for the fighters.
Syria will be lost to ISIS. Iraq may take longer because the US won’t get out.
Iran is petrified of moving into the battlefields.
The Syrian diaspora is reversing. The UN says one million have returned since the Russians arrived.
The Syrian Army can rebuild their forces.
Egypt is very likely to insert some muscle.
Jordan will also add some air power.
When it looks like ISIS is tottering, these other forces will take a small front and help with the rout of the devils.
Putin will shake SA and Qatar and the lifeline will be broken.
Turkey is the diehard. Erdogan is a true believe MB and dreams of his Turkic empire.
How long will the Kurds remain facing Syria when Turkey is their eternal enemy?
The war will go on in Iraq, and ISIS will last until Iraq is solved.
Notice: the HQ of the Russian coalition is Baghdad. That indicated that sooner or later the judgement day will come to Iraq.
And one nation we always leave to the side is China. They just spent 56 days hunting down several dozen Uyghur terrorists in Xinjiang. They had one of their citizens killed by ISIS and President Xi is very upset. I suspect Chinese special forces will come to Iraq and maybe, if there is airfield space,some Chinese warplanes will join the action in the coming months.
The Chinese need to bleed their military (taste battle, suffer losses, search for heroes). Fighting alongside others would make good sense. They need to be a viable military. And they have huge financial stakes at play in Iraq and Syria and Libya. It will be long war and they cannot stay in Asia if their money is in the ME and North Africa.
All this is in Russia’s playbook, and stones for Putin to play on the GO board.
http://sputniknews.com/africa/20151121/1030494034/bamako-attack-chinese-executives.html
The Chinese lost 3 executives in the Mali butchery today. Major SOE China Railway Construction Corporation officials.
The Chinese PLA has a presence in several African countries, so they could bolster those units and go on the offensive after AQ.
China will be forced by public opinion soon to make a large show of force.
Syria and Iraq are the best places for that.
“China will be forced by public opinion soon to make a large show of force.
Syria and Iraq are the best places for that.”
Careful, lets not fall for the same trap US did in 2001. There were also devised excuses (providing the right connections) to intervene in Afganistan and later Iraq.
I find it critically important to mantain a close relationship between an event and its reaction, if the uninformed are to become better informed and supporters. It is true the complexity we’re living in encourages in many cases this disconnect, but there is an actual advantage in reducing the layers of explanations demanded by reality, and this should be exploited throughly by the resistance to the empire. Let’s part with all the unecessary sophistication.
Truth and justice has “chosen” sides, it must be welcomed to our best ability. Our sense of urgency, when self recognized, can be used as a trigger for a reality coherent response.
“Our sense of urgency, when self recognized, can be used as a trigger for a reality coherent response.”
It can be used for other purposes including but not limited to facilitating bathos and deflection.
It would appear that it has already created a datastream reflective of “exeptionalism” and agency where likely none exists.
@Red Ryder
Re:
I suspect Chinese special forces will come to Iraq and maybe, if there is airfield space,some Chinese warplanes will join the action in the coming months.
No they won’t. When are you going to understand that the Chinese are not Americans. They will not engage military action so far from their borders (not for another 5 yrs). You also are completely out of the loop WRT Chinese Special Forces, you don’t know a thing about their capacities (let’s just say they’re a work in progress and have plenty of opportinity to ‘practice’ in Uyghur areas,)
The Chinese need to bleed their military (taste battle, suffer losses, search for heroes). Fighting alongside others would make good sense. They need to be a viable military.
You’re kidding right? Are you seriously talking about war and other people’s lives in such a cavalier manner? Have you actually gone to war yourself? Do you really think that you can make detached comments about other people’s death and bleeding like it was some kind of hobby or game? War is not about heroes and tasting battle, as portrayed in some cheap 19th Century European work of fiction. Works of fiction that romanticized a very dirty brutal and mundane business. The Chinese know more about War and asymetric conflict than Europeans.
And they have huge financial stakes at play in Iraq and Syria and Libya. It will be long war and they cannot stay in Asia if their money is in the ME and North Africa.
Yes they can stay in Asia and still insure their investments: doing it the Chinese way, which tends to be more intelligent: by empowering local forces to maintain stability, by using money and by relying on other powers that are currently engaged in active stabilization (Russia).
The Chinese lost 3 executives in the Mali butchery today. Major SOE China Railway Construction Corporation
officials
They lost far more people in attacks both in Pakistan and Afganistan; they did nothing then (other that pull their personnel out of Pakistan) and there’s not much they can do now.
China will be forced by public opinion soon to make a large show of force.
Again, you’re kidding right? The Chinese public have zero weight or say when it comes to foreign policy or geopolitical strategy. It is only on domestic issues and the economy that the CCP and government pays attention to the public mood, never on overseas issue.
As Mr. Mikhail Khazin said almost a year ago (saker q & a), China is more centrally oriented and not as democratic as Russia or the other BRICS powers, the current Russian-Chinese alliance is based on opposition to the current order, but it is not a long term one: Russia will be part of an alliance of a cluster of similarly structured nations while China will belong to a different more centrally oriented grouping; both groupings will coexist as part of a multipolar world.
China is not the USA or Russia and will behave differently.
Russians and Iranians we knew about, but Chinese? Does the US Navy know something that has not been made public previously? Russia is already treating the Syrian coastline as its own playground, and has imposed explicit no fly zones in the eastern Mediterranean
the CVN-75, Harry Truman is expected to reach the Persian Gulf before the year’s end. according to the latest Stratfor naval map, the Truman is already approaching Gibraltar.
what the Navy Times says:
ISIS is not the only challenge that awaits the flotilla, which includes the cruiser Anzio, Carrier Wing Air 7, and destroyers Bulkeley, Gravely and Gonzalez. Russian, Chinese and Iranian marines have established their presence in Syria, and Russian warships from the Black Sea have relocated to the eastern Mediterranean to protect fighter jets conducting airstrikes in support of Syria’s Assad regime. In preparation, the strike group’s Composite Training Unit Exercise focused on adversaries that more closely resembled those of the Cold War.
If Russia wants a law based multi-polar world she must be very careful not to legitimize or give cover to French lawlessness in Syria. Russia is correct when she says her intervention is legitimate and based on the invitation of the legitimate government of Syria.
Have the French been invited by Syria? If not Russia would be going along with violations of international law. Even worse, since France has made no effort to confront the Turk/Saudi/Qatar support (not to mention American support — though having the French confront America would be a bridge to far) for the “moderate” head choppers, Russia risks being drawn into the hypocritical game America is playing. Maybe Russia can also have an “ally” (France) that goes after the takfiris while at the same time supporting them, or at least turning a blind eye to the sources of support.
The Russians should tell the French (in private) that their strikes are illegal with out the consent of the Syrian government, and then offer to bring them together with the Syrian government to approve specific strikes on specific targets. They should also tell France that any long term anti ISIS alliance is impossible unless France makes a sincere effort to help shut down the external support ISIS gets. Anything less risks undermining Syrian sovereignty, international law and places Russia in an American like situation in that they are essentially approving violations of international law. Common sense should tell you bombing the bastards does no good if more of them keep coming in.
Lastly, I don’t think the Syrian people exist to be bombed as a french “feel good exercise”, which is all the french strkes amount to with out a true change of heart and a real strategy to eliminate these terrorist freaks.
p.s. thanks for a great site and my sympathies for your loss.
Critical point.
Dear Saker,
I’m amazed with your skill to make the right questions, even if you, in some cases (in a very honest way) can’t offer the answers… I made one of your question, that is: why Daesh is trying to get more enemies? My intuition say me that this is one of the greatest key… and I share the same worry as you about this matter…
greetings!
France and Russia working together in Syria?!
Hahaha..
Laughed so hard I just broke mistral.
“Russia cannot exit Syria anytime soon, even if they want so in near future…”
If you say it because of lack of political conditions after the war, you may be right. But remember the vast majority of refugees will turn back as they are doing just now…population will increase again and Assad will take measures to bring attacks to a minimum tolerable.
i disagree on the point of” even if the want”… because they have Tartus, they will have one more and bigger base for many years.
Why not? Russia is a big gigantic power and a pair of big, completely furnished bases is a minimum a decent power must have…
After all, the fact will be that there still a gap missing of 798 military bases abroad to breach just in order to catch up with the empire! Agreed?
I found this RT video extremely interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ascSnBbxfaU&feature=player_embedded
At 1:30 into the video, The Russian Tu-95 “Bear” bombers are being escorted by F-14 Tomcats. Only the Iranian Air Force still operates them.
Iranian planes. Probably with Russian pilots.
Oh come on. Iranian planes with Russian pilots?! Spare us the ethnocentric BS. Tell me where Russian pilots get trained on how to fly F-14s, why would Iran certify them?
Nope those brown Iranians just aint upto speed enough to fly an escort mission. They gotta be Russians, golly gee!
Don’t forget about SouthFront’s daily reports. Not up on the Vineyard during this unusual period for Saker and the team.
http://southfront.org
Saker,
Firstly my sympathies and condolences on your sudden loss, but amazingly how such stresses resolve themselves with displacement activity. This is an excellent analysis, and nothing as cogent exists in the western MSM, (which will never be trusted again by anyone of integrity or intelligence), and I find increasingly I am drawn here and also to other sites such as Cassad and Southfront, RT, Counterpunch and Information Clearing House to get a grip on what is really going on – thank you for your efforts, and those of your ‘confederates’ and assistants. We are living in truly historic times – ‘interesting times’ – if we survive them – and Putin’s admonishment at the UN which you recanted will go down in history as another Gettysburg Address – and be quoted in years to come, once we gain perspective on these events.
The game is up. Inspector Putin has assembled the Usual Suspects in the G20 library, confronted them with evidence and photographs and has laid out where the administration of justice will lead. Like you I believe the man will not stop or leave office until he has wiped out the perpetrators of the Sinai abomination for one thing, and the greater threat of ISIS/Daesh for another. There are too many ex-Russian nationals within Daesh to be allowed back in to Russia. The matter will be settled on Syrian soil.
The people to watch are VVP and Lavrov – there is no one in the West operating at their level – and the team they lead must be similarly talented. The ruling clique in Washington and London are crippled by political correctness and a lack of plain common sense in any case (I live in a 5 eyes country) and the initiative has now passed to Russia and to a lesser extent France. Cameron would really love to get involved in this, but he may find that the UK public have no appetite for Brit involvement and polls show that Putin’s actions are viewed very positively by them. The Russians control the airspace over Syria – why the naval taskforce otherwise – and this idea of RAF jets from Akrotiri will be just so much hot air unless the Syrian government requests it, or a UNSC resolution mandates it, but it will only happen if the Russians are involved and leading it, as they have enough G2A weaponry to down any stupid interlopers.
We must see how this unfolds.
Thanks and commiserations, Saker
E.G
” The people to watch are VVP and Lavrov – there is no one in the West operating at their level”
The kids in the West are watching – first time in their life they see heroes at work. They will be inspired to grow up fast and contributing their share of ‘doing the right thing’ against all odds.
” The ruling clique in Washington and London are crippled by political correctness and a lack of plain common sense.”
It is much worse. The Shadow Forces that run the show chose their ilks by ‘negative selection’. Only crooks & criminals and the occasional useful idiot – i am thinking George W. here – make it through the ranks. :-)
In my mind, the only relevant question remains is : What do we understand about the ISIS ? And who are controlling it for what purpose ?
Please note that I have not bothered about who initially created it. A creation can even go against its creator – if brainwashed well.
Most people agree that ISIS was created & nurtured by NATO + West and ably supported by Wahabi & a minority (not all, hopefully) Sunni fraction. The present helpers are those who created it. Some people do suggest Mossad also supports it.
Presently ISIS is controlled by the same groups. But whether ISIS is having some level of self-control too is the relevant question.
Now, if ISIS has some independence in thinking and action, then same is difficult to confirm. But a self-serving group will not ask everyone to attack it together. It will rather take one group at a time. So present actions by ISIS does not make a sense.
But there is another scenario which might make better sense. What if the NATO understands that SAA + RuF has started winning decisively ? What if they believe that with this pace, Russia will destroy ISIS in Syria & later may get invited to Iraq too for doing the same ?
In such cases, it is much better get involved in Syria Right now. With some boots on the ground in Syria, NATO will have better negotiation capability. The negotiation might be quite early, say after Khamsin starts in March-April. To get involved, Paris attack is very handy. I had remarked somewhere (not in this forum) that the Paris attack will lead to UN and NATO will get a ‘Legal’ foothold in Syria.
regards
” the only relevant question remains is : What do we understand about the ISIS ? And who are controlling it for what purpose ?”
ISIS is run – through countless agencies, foundations, oligarchs, governments, front-companies, think tanks, NGOs – by the Military-Intel-Complex. Like hundreds of similar mercenary outfits.
And because the Military-Intel-Complex only works from the shadows it is almost impossible to corner it and only patsies and low-level capos, sultans, bankers, politicians are ever apprehended.
What can’t be achieved by legislation, rules, contracts, reserve banking, is done through hoaxes, false-flags, black-mailing, killings, disinformation, propaganda.
ISIS is just one of many tools in the box used by the Military-Intel-Complex to confuse, weaken and enslave the enemy – the whole world, all of humanity – and to solidify its global full-spectrum dominance.
How to defeat the Military-Intel-Complex? By what Russia and Team Putin are doing right now. And by circumventing its toxic life-blood – the US dollar.
Hi Saker. That was a good read. My take on Daesh motives is this. Background. The top echelon have Anglo Zio Mid East operative contacts or are agents. The top echelon are not religious. They are greedy though. The middle rankers are greedy cruel lustful and cherry picking religious, using religion as a tool. The lower ranker is 3/4 part religious fanaticism 1/4 part mercenary. Historically this is normal for Arabs.
It tried for everything and is failing. It tried to win a Caliphate driven by religious fervour of its lower rankers being used by the greed of the commanders. They believed they could establish a state, live like sultans and come to terms with their backers using Oil as their trump card. Its over. Daesh will soon collapse, scattering. Paris? Anglo Zio IS controlled cells used for twisted motives. Patsies.
Syria? Russias there to stay. Fantastic training opportunity, much needed. Russia passed all tests. Shes back. Well done. Many in the West are with you. Boots on ground? WE wont know till we see they are required.
“Dramatic surge in intensity” is hardly dramatic, having in view the “successes” so far, in purely military terms. Jane’s IHS Conflict Monitor reports that Syrian government territorial gains since Russian intervention equate to just 0.4%!
Jane’s says the Syrian Army, backed by Russian air strikes and various Shia militias under IRGC command, made net gains of around 240 square kilometres against Sunni rebel factions, but suffered net losses of 120 square kilometres to the Islamic State in the period from Sept. 29 to Nov. 16 2015!
http://www.janes.com/article/56134/syrian-government-territorial-gains-just-0-4-since-russian-military-intervention
If Rohani does not want any wine, it certainly does not imply that others may not drink some. No one of course will be forcing him, but this should work both ways.
It comes down to good manners (which the French are notorious about requiring).If I invited for dinner a Jew (or Muslim),I wouldn’t cook roast pork.Since I know that their faiths forbid the eating of pork.My good manners would require me not to insult my guests that way.The flaunting of manners like that is an unforgivable insult.Which is how I hope the Iranians saw it.They ,like the Russians need to get it through their heads that there is nothing in the West for them except treachery and betrayal.But again like the Russians some there can’t seem to grasp that very clear point.And until they do they will never be able to overcome their problems.
I think it has more to do with “CYA,” covering your arse. By taking the moral high ground, even if they know the West will insult them, Russian and Iranian diplomats can produce concrete, iron-clad proof that Nato governments are not serious. It is hard to maintain such grace under fire; I wish I could be as good as Sergei Lavrov…
“We can no longer tolerate the current state of affairs in the world”
These few words carried a lot of meaning. It was a statement saying Russia intends to change the current state of affairs in the world. Nothing is achieved without some risk.
The things to be changed? US hegemony, Wahabbi based terrorism, regime change.
Part of the current state of affairs is Wahhabi based/backed terrorism.
Defeating Wahabbi based terrorism means Saudi, Qatar have to be destroyed as states.
Paris – a serious miscalculation on the part of the organisers? An attack on Paris, an extremely anti Assad government should call on NATO to attack Syria. Instead France reassesses who their allies really are and joins Russia? Perhaps.
Nobody is asking M. Rohani to drink wine, and likewise, M. Rohani is in no position to prevent anybody from drinking wine, at least in France. Next time women will have to wear a scarf in his presence and so on … BTW, if international disagreements could be as futile all the time, the world would indeed be a better place.
how about a few joints? at least they do less harm than Alcohol
Just say no ; thank you ( Iggy Pop) :-)
Hi Saker, good to see you up and around…
“And I won’t even mention the fact that Syria now has a small, but battle hardened military whereas the putatively “invincible” Tsahal only is experienced at shooting unarmed civilians. So if there was an Israeli plan to prepare for a future “Grand Israel” it backfired pretty badly.”
This Tsahal force sounds like Ukrainian Army…
According to RT the US is saying that if Russia is to join the “US coalition” to fight ISIS they will have “change their strategy in Syria” and stop trying to “prop up the Assad Government”. So there we are,that says in all in a nutshell.According to the empire Russia is only welcome to their coalition with France and the US if they ditch Assad.So we will now see if Russia is once again going to make the fatal mistake of trusting the French and US.If so,I’ve found the perfect place to sell many bridges to.
Saker, regarding “what ISIS really wants”, and why they seem determined to fight the entire world, I recommend reading this long article:
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
I don’t know how true this is, but at least it seems well-researched and makes a certain sense. ISIS is playing by a different rulebook, and are preparing for certain prophesies. They must goad the Western world into attacking them in Dabiq (or their state loses legitimacy).
“Now that it has taken Dabiq, the Islamic State awaits the arrival of an enemy army there, whose defeat will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse. […] After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second-most-revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory.”
Started to read that article. Stopped right here at Baghdadi because Baghdadi is Mossad.
I doubt the leaders believe the prophesies, but most of the fighter likely do. Backed into a corner, the closer one gets to death, the payoffs from risks begin to look different and long shot “game changers” become irrationally attractive.
Say we get another half dozen nuclear armed players “de-conflicting” the same air space? What better way to get back to the 11th Century pronto.
I was about to link to the same article. I think it makes sense. Do ISIS leaders really believe this? Is it possible to be intelligent enough to be a leader and to be this stupid at the same time? I don’t know. But George W. Bush once ruled the most powerful nation on Earth, so, maybe. After all, if you’re entirely certain that God is on your side, you can probably feel confident enough to attempt anything.
“But George W. Bush once ruled the most powerful nation on Earth”
He played the role of ruling the USA, he wasn’t actually ruling. Just look at how he was left hanging in that classroom on 9/11.
Excellent piece of news, thank you.
“Russia does not start wars – she ends them”
Indeed, History is witness to that.
About the US and its mid east allies Saker writes:
“…all of its so-called ‘regional allies’ are, I believe, inherently disloyal and pursue their own interests.”
I believe this is deeply mistaken. The USA’s mid east “allies” are really wholly subservient vassals. There is really no disloyalty and pursuit of their own interests. They are entirely doing the USA’s bidding.
The appearance of disloyalty and self interest is really a reflection of the confusion and contention in the master’s house. Washington D.C. The ME vassals are really tools of American policy. Because of the weakness of Obama, various factions ranging from neocons and humanitarian interventionists, to Kerry style realists, are fighting for control of US policy in the ME, and in the world. Each of these factions is using the ME tools to advance its agenda. So Turkish, Qatari and Saudi actions are being driven not by self interest and disloyalty, but by commands emanating from Washington DC. In this case emanating from the neocons. Their actions may appear to contradict what the “US” i.e Obama and the realists want, but they are nonetheless what the “US” as represented by the neocons wants.
Today’s must read – NATO is harbouring the Islamic State -Why France’s brave new war on ISIS is a sick joke, and an insult to the victims of the Paris attacks
In January, authenticated official documents of the Turkish military were leaked online, showing that Turkey’s intelligence services had been caught in Adana by military officers transporting missiles, mortars and anti-aircraft ammunition via truck “to the al-Qaeda terror organisation” in Syria.
Syrian passports discovered near the bodies of two of the suspected Paris attackers, according to police sources, were fake, and likely forged in Turkey.
Earlier this year, the Turkish daily Today’s Zaman reported that “more than 100,000 fake Turkish passports” had been given to ISIS. Erdogan’s government, the newspaper added, “has been accused of supporting the terrorist organization by turning a blind eye to its militants crossing the border and even buying its oil… Based on a 2014 report, Sezgin Tanrıkulu, deputy chairman of the main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) said that ISIL terrorists fighting in Syria have also been claimed to have been treated in hospitals in Turkey.”
This barely scratches the surface. A senior Western official familiar with a large cache of intelligence obtained this summer told the Guardian that “direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members was now ‘undeniable.’”
The same official confirmed that Turkey, a longstanding member of NATO, is not just supporting ISIS, but also other jihadist groups, including Ahrar al-Sham and Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria. “The distinctions they draw [with other opposition groups] are thin indeed,” said the official. “There is no doubt at all that they militarily cooperate with both.”
Read more here:https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/europe-is-harbouring-the-islamic-state-s-backers-d24db3a24a40#.q7fbal5a3
“I would hope that somebody with better understanding of Daesh, fluent in Arabic and well-versed in Takfiri literature would give us all the reply to this apparently simple question: what does Daesh really want?”
I do not have an understanding of Daesh, nor am I fluent in Arabic, or well-versed in Takfiri literature, but I am rather well-versed on Zioinst deception and intrique. I believe Daesh has been created/used by the Anglozionists from day one as a tool to bring Assad down and to remove the focus of the world from Israeli actions in the ME in creating Ersatz Israel. I believe that the Zionists want a thrid world war in which Russia/Iran/China and the US and its allies fight to exhaustion. Israel under this thesis will be the last man standing and thus fulfill the longstanding Zionist dream of world domination. Whether they can trigger a world war or simply be satisfied to create utter chaos in the world over the ME and the terrorist situation, I can not know, but I am certain that war and/or chaos is the design. And notice the very low profile Israel is taking in all this – you don’t hear a peep out of them at the UN, on the world stage or in talks between the principal parties.
Daesh is being used to bring those associated with the conflict into close proximity to each other with the possiblity of triggering direct confrontation and thus world war. At the least Daesh is being used to bring Western governments to a point that the people are willing to bow down to a police state rather than be left unsecure – police states that are Zionist dominated and thereby more easily subject to Zionist control.
But why would Daesh go along with this? Perhaps we do not know what Daesh has been promised in return for their global actions. Remember, Daesh is not a fully independent organisation – it depends heavily on its creators for financial support, manpower recruitment, weapons and equipment, and political cover. Its creators can therefore influence Daesh’s mission in substantial ways. And the true Daesh follower will never know how or even if he/she is being manipulated and controlled.
Russia will try to avoid direct confrontation with the Western powers as long as it can, but it may well be forced into conflict by the Zionists. And then we will see all hell break loose. If I were Putin, I would have a private conversation with the Zionist leaders and inform them that they will be the first targets of any worldwide conflagration (I know, I know – I dream a lot!).
Anyway, my opinion only…..
end times …. if you consider the extremists of all three religions …. one common link : belief in the return of a “savior” …. whatever that means
… it is not far fetched to think then that the common link has become a common goal … and many believe Syria to be the place …
IS was created in Libya by Clinton and I just saw her say IS is a threat to the world and much be destroyed.. AMAZING..
IS is funded by one minor GCC countries special forces which has unlimited funds, under control of that insignificant little island Since the state department don’t really have any special ops people.. Except for that fat oily guy in The Brink.. Mohamed says that minor gcc country has not been controlling IS since 2013.. Then who funds and controls them now? Did Hillary lose control of her monster? Or did she do an IPO and IS is now a free market enterprise? Like google.. except we just do evil..
China? Missing in action? Russia has single handedly taken on US backed Wahhabi terrorism, but has also called on the world to help. Not a single f####ing taker. Perhaps the French?
Thank you Saker for all of your effort. You writing during a parent’s death reminds me of what I did 11 years ago when my father died, which was write some more on a blog, in order to relieve the pain. Please be assured that your loved one is in a better place.
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Referring too your hypothesis:
why did Daesh deliberately place itself in such a position. Here are a few hypotheses I can come up with…
I think a combination of your 3 hypotheses are true. The savages of ISIS are very much like the Italian mafias or Hell’s Angels. All of them claim to be religious and use religion to justify/excuse their actions. All of them recruit their hitmen from the scum of society. All of them are inherently bigoted, corrupt, pick on the weak, and “grew up” in the West, or with support from the West. Above all, they are megalomaniacs.
The only difference is the level of religious fanaticism, which ISIS takes to extremes, therefore ISIS truly believes it is the “end times” as described in the Koran. Since the ISIS “foot soldiers” are losers of whatever society they came from (i.e. no job and lots of pent-up anger,) ISIS leadership (i.e. Saudi Arabia) thinks it can unite the Moslem world by playing the “World versus Moslem” card. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the rest of the GCC are essentially inbreds (they marry 1st cousins!) who cannot innovate; therefore they want to “rule” the West (and eventually the entire world) by bankrupting it through endless, long-lasting low-intensity wars, and then pick up the pieces. If the Western economies get bankrupt, which is almost the case, ISIS can move in and pick up the pieces. One of the best ways to do this: draw the West in, and fight on home turf.
Even if the Israeli Mossad is the ultimate puppet master of ISIS, the destruction of vast amounts of Syria’s infrastructure and weakening of Hezbollah has bought Israel 10-15 years of “peace.” It is true that Bashar al-Assad will be politically stronger, but his military is not strong enough to re-take the Golan Heights; in fact all of Syria will likely need 10-15 years to rebuild to its pre-civil war strength. Even then Syria has lost so many of its talented professionals (i.e. doctors, engineers, welders, etc.) it will likely need a generation to fully replace all of that talent. If Hezbollah truly is maxed out then this can only help Israel. Also keep in mind that all parties across Israel consider Iran as enemy #1; if Iran commits major ground forces and eventually get bogged down, Israel is happy.
From a militaristic point of view the situation for Israel is great: NATO has a pretext to invoke Article 5 of its charter, Hezbollah and Syria are maxed out, Moslem fanatics from around the world are still pouring into the killing fields of Syria and Iraq, the Russian military has been effective and heavily engaged, Iran has a chance of getting bogged down, and Moslem communities in the West are getting attacked, which takes the pressure off the Jewish diaspora.
With the unanimous UN Security Council resolution effectively supporting military action against ISIS, it remains to be seen whether or not the other world powers that are not currently involved in the anti-ISIS war decide to send in troops. India has lots of manpower, decent relations with Iran, and serious problems with terrorist groups, but limited logistics, and Pakistan to worry about. Japan has recently revised its constitution to allow for deployment of combat forces abroad, and two of its citizens were recently beheaded by ISIS. Many, of course would expect China to send its military under the cover of the UN. IMHO this is a wild card; on one hand China knows the USA is extremely conniving and evil, and created ISIS; it needs to secure its eastern flank. On the other hand China is eager to show solidarity with its Russian allies and get real combat experience for its PLA, but its logistics capacity is limited. Even with a UN resolution, China does not want to alienate the Arab world; were it to join such a coalition Beijing would need to use backroom diplomacy to pressure Saudi Arabia into publicly joining such a coalition.
“The savages of ISIS are very much like the Italian mafias or Hell’s Angels. All of them claim to be religious and use religion to justify/excuse their actions.”
Well,that’s the first time I’ve ever seen anyone call the Hell’s Angels religious.I’d laugh my ass off but everyone is so apocalyptic today…
Oh well
” Again, this might seem outright bizarre, but Daesh appears to be doing everything it can to create a large, multi-national coalition to destroy it.”
Just reading about French/UN resolution at https://www.rt.com/news/322931-un-resolution-fight-terrorism-isis/
The resolution “calls upon member states that have the capacity to do so to take all necessary measures … on the territory under the control of ISIL … in Syria and Iraq.”
and it hit me: if the US wants to destroy those countries, putting them into ‘creative destruction’ chaos, the what’s better than having a huge multi-nation war there? So they instruct ISIS puppets to work to bring all the chaos there.
“what does Daesh really want? I will gladly admit that I have no idea.”
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Surely the problem is trying to ascribing a ‘purpose’ to a constructed Geo-political Golem.
The Daesh assets ‘on the ground’ are, as Putin describes, largely well paid mercenaries in the main. Add a few ex-Baathist military types from Iraq’s past armies, hordes of regular criminal bands and the usual millennium cult nutters doing a vandal’s job on the place.
Any policy intent comes from the shadows where the finance lays down the tracks. And the narrative is quite clear. Despite their many and great differences (to be sorted out later), now, today it is simple one thing that unites them all: the ring “Assad must go!”
How far do we dig down into the dark oily places? Resource wars for the loot? Economic wars for the rights of passage for future energy infrastructure? The usual Zionist post-colonial themes?
What all these bit players want is what they have achieved – a mess (and possible future contracts to help clean it up).
Once the plug is pulled, and this is probably closer than not, then the professional boots will pull out, shave their beards, return their costumes, and evaporate back into their desk jobs.
Meanwhile, the ‘expendables’ will be left to wake up from their drug induced fantasies (remember the 2 tons of Captagon amphetamine pills that a Saudi ‘prince’ has not yet lost his head or hands over?) to see how duped they have been — in many cases, as Europeans, by their own governments — and see the only way out is ‘paradise’ either abroad, or even better, back at ‘home’ base. And the latter scenario is what is freaking out Holland et al.
Apart from the social frictions and political risks in Europe resulting from mass refugees –the +ve economic impacts on EU from ‘printed’ social security funds flooding in at the bottom of the pyramid to ‘fix’ the problem is possibly one of the last strategies left to the general malaise known as “50% youth unemployment”.
In the end analysis, it is not so much ‘intent’ to go to a Big War — rather, it is an inevitable drift of failed ideologies and economic non-sense over the last ‘exceptionalist’ decades since Clinton-1.0 subverted the Glass–Steagall Act in 1999. The USA is now little more than a gutted out Military Industrial Congressional complex with a thin veneer of infantile Disneyland ‘culture’. For all its remaining attractions it is becoming painfully clear to a widening international audience that the ‘American Dream’ has lost any future ‘Mandate from Heaven’ it once may have enjoyed in the minds of the people. In large they have gained the world (for a brief time) and lost their Soul (for a long time).
That the next DC ‘Idiot-in-Charge’ is likely a choice between a Trump (who wants to dog-tag all Muslims) and a Clinton-2.0 (who is making Heath Ledger’s Joker character look positively normal and sane) can only mean we are indeed in the last days of this long cycle. And unfortunately it may not get better for a considerable time.
Putin is a sharp player for sure, but much of his apparent allure and ‘Greatness’ is just as much due to the batch of dull political cretin munchkins he is ‘partnered’ against.
Oh man.
Have you seen ISIS magazine Dabiq ?
In a word, it is ‘slick.’
I can’t help but wonder if it is ISIS or the edifice of the old-New World Order that is being intentionally destroyed. Probably it is both but I see it definitely has all the hallmarks of the strategy of tension+.
Dabiq is to terrorism what Adbusters was to Occupy. They are the Situationists of 2015 only updated with an eschatological ‘end of days’ promise for a technocratic future hell on earth.
How fricken awesome is that?
My google-goggle searches turn up pure shyte time and again but ISIS can reach me better than the New York-lying Times. Not only that but Zionist media has apparently been getting most of their sexy head-chopper scoops and bi-lines from none other than Dabiq!
I love what Putin said at the G20. He threatened not mythical ISIS terrorists but “natural persons.” As another commentor pointed out, this is a big deal in terms of what is being communicated. Putin is at least threatening the ‘big fish,’ which is long past due. Maybe a few Soros/financier types or certain Gulf Sheiks should listen carefully but I doubt the very big boys would ever find themselves in jeopardy exclusively because of Putin. Only we could make that happened by demanding it.
I would dearly love to see the Russians do a wikileaks-style dump of intel on the Western criminal elite — right to the top of the food chain. Maybe arrest warrants could be issued. I have no doubt the Russians have the goods on almost everyone who is important. A complete record of the infamous and unknown could reset our history and help build pressure for the prosecution of the most monstrous war criminals. At the very least it would weaken them severely. Eventually the Western financial system must collapse and it would be good if we were prepared to turn the tables on these dangerous criminals instead of rolling over for something much worse than what happened in 2007/8.
Imagine what Hillary will do to your ass in the moments after she is sworn in on behalf of the shadow elite and just as the clock strikes midnight.
Thanks to the Russian leader we have an opportunity to stop chasing shadows. There will be no more playing along with War On Terror inc. The world is in an immeasurably better place just because Vladimir Putin has drawn a red line against fascism, as any honourable or just or wise leader must do.
My only problem now is WTF to do about TPP.
“slick”
ISIS seem to have great brand managers. Perhaps a company like this one with links to Brookings.
Charles Lister
@Charles_Lister
Visiting Fellow, @BrookingsDoha & Senior Consultant, The Shaikh Group.
http://theshaikhgroup.ae/
ISIS has gotten used to getting its way by using violence. They do not “want” the world united against them but violence and threats is the only way they know to achieve their goals. Saddam – in many ways their predecessor – made the same mistake. Unlike Gaddafi he never understood that a bit of humility at times can help you out of a lot of trouble.
The Islamic “State” may break down but I don’t expect that that will be the end of the story. They were beaten once before – by the Americans – and they came back. Also, Islamic theology foresees some hard times before the final victory.
“why is it that Russian victims of atrocities (including Western sponsored atrocities!) are treated just like Black or Brown people and not like the other putatively “civilized” Whites?”
Counter question: as far as I can see Russians are blending in quite effortlessly in
“I am not really sure why a Rafale would need “cover””
There is always the possibility that some plane goes down and a rescue mission for the pilot is needed.
On a sidenote: A few weeks ago – so long before the attacks in Paris – a Dutch newspaper had an interview with some Dutchman with a special forces background who is fighting with the YPG. He noted that when the Americans bomb ISIS targets they tend to do it for the show and just hit empty buildings, but that the French are serious and cause real damage.
I agree with the Saker that military aid and training for the Syrian army are very important. I would like to add money to that.
“the Russian Intervention in Syria”
In other threads you have asserted the view that war includes the perceptual.
Framing is therefore important.
Perhaps it would therefore be beneficial to change the above phrase to Russian assistance to Syria.
“intervention” reflects the framing of the opponents.
What does ISIS want ?
ISIS can’t beat any superpower by itself, but can perhaps create conditions for them to take out each other.
How do you make a big fire ? You collect a lot of tinder and then you introduce a lit match.
The tinder is gathering (Russia, France, US…). They want China in it as well.
And when enough tinder has been collected, then comes the lit match… wait for it.
“I would hope that somebody with better understanding of Daesh, fluent in Arabic and well-versed in Takfiri literature would give us all the reply to this apparently simple question: what does Daesh really want?”
Try the General Patric Lang.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/11/httpwwwtheatlanticcommagazinearchive201503what-isis-really-wants384980.html
PL says Daesh is an “end of days” cult. So, they are really crazy.
Maybe they are waiting until they feel the time is right to let off a n bomb….to destroy the cradle of modern civilisation. ….
An article in the NYT mentioned the celebratory mood in Jihadist forums on the internet after the Paris attack. So the attack has done a great deal to improve the morale of ISIS that had sunk after the start of the Russian involvement.
That may have been an important motive.
Few points – many more would be possible, but I’m out of time:
– What the IS wants may well be understood from this Jihadist plan for the years 2000-2020 dating back from 2005 : http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2005/08/the_seven_phase.php
The fact is that this document bears striking resemblance to what have been the actual objectives and actions of Jihadists since 2005. Most notably, concentration on Iraq and Syria as priorities, and establishment of a “Caliphate” in the 2013-2016 period – the fact that most prominent Jihadist organization was Al Qaeda ten years ago and is now Daesh has not led to change in the overall plans.
Well, what these plans aimed for the period starting 2016 is “total confrontation.”, that is the “Islamic army” instigating the “fight between the believers and the non-believers”.
So a way to understand the recent salvo of terror attacks, from Lebanon to Russia and from Iraq to France, is as preparation and provocation for this “total confrontation”. The Islamic State is calling all its enemies.
– Now are IS leaders totally bonkers, and do they have a death wish? Not necessarily. Nor is their idea that this “total confrontation” not only won’t lead to their obliteration, but rather to growth and further rise of their movement totally improbable.
You have to take into account that now and for the foreseeable future, no ground intervention by major powers is politically probable – the US government has said it very clearly, the Russian government looks on the same line, the French won’t do it alone our Army is not large enough. Neither is any of IS regional enemies in a position to conquer it: the Syrian army is weakened, just as the Iraqi army, and Kurds are not numerous enough. In fact, each of these forces is actually mostly limiting its action to its own ethnical/ religious territory: Alawi for Syrian, Shia for Iraqi, Kurd for Kurds.
So what the IS needs to brace for is to resist extended bombing, that will more and more target infrastructure and the population, since IS fighters are going to be too well hidden to be eradicated, well at least the smartest, and selection of the smartest and fittest is ongoing among IS types.
During the 1991 war, Iraq received 88 000 tons of bombs in 100 000 sorties in the course of six weeks, and did not collapse. Of course IS territory is smaller, but it’s not mere thousands tons of bombs that will break its back.
These extended bombings however will have an impact. They will kill directly – or more ominously, indirectly, because of infrastructure destruction – tens or even hundreds of thousands civilians. The cadre of IS and most of its fighters will not only be resilient, they will actually increase BECAUSE THEY WILL RECRUIT FAR MORE!
When scores of civilians die, Russians and Americans and French and others may quarrel all they want “oh you kill more civilians than me” / “no it’s you how brutal you are”… it won’t matter a bit to those millions of Sunni Muslims everywhere (not only in Syria!) that the IS aims at converting to their sect and to their ways.
Two things could do harm to the IS: to be left mostly alone by all faraway powers, no matter US, Russia, France what have you – for they would remain small. Or to be uprooted on the ground by a modern Army.
But the leaders of advanced countries all seem to have tragically decided to choose the inefficient – and actually criminal – middle ground…
Salam Brother Saker,
Saker Quote: “I would hope that somebody with better understanding of Daesh, fluent in Arabic and well-versed in Takfiri literature would give us all the reply to this apparently simple question: what does Daesh really want? I will gladly admit that I have no idea. And that worries me a lot.
Take Qatar: there is no doubt that the presence of CENTCOM in Qatar gave the Qatari a strong sense of impunity which, in turn, bred arrogance and, frankly, irresponsibility.”
The CENTCOM is in Bahrain and not in Qatar. The USA has a airfield in Qatar.
Qatar is out of Syria business since 25 June, 2013.
WHY?
If you understand the WHY then you will fully understand the whole play in Syria.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Obviously, I did not mean the CENTCOM local HQ but CENTCOM as a structure.
FYI – CENTCOM is really in Florida ;-)
Salam Saker,
Thanks for your answer. We are both correct and yes the CENTCOM is in Florida. The Air Command for CENTCOM is in Qatar but the Navy Command for CENTCOM is in Bahrain, including the USA Fifth Fleet. A massive, massive base, taking the best beach prime properties of the poor Bahrain Shia. Bahrain means, “Two Seas” and it is nothing but the best, best beach like Oman. There is a talk it might be relocated in Oman, as Oman is very vast and not tiny like Bahrain.
I was trying to get your attention to 25 June, 2013. Did you do your research what happened in Qatar on this day?
Best regards,
Mohamed.
You mean that the Emir of Qatar, Hamad bin Jalifa al Thani abdicated in his son,Tamim bin Hamad al Thani ?
At what this has changed?
“The World Without Qatar”
by Thierry Meyssan
http://www.voltairenet.org/article179434.html
Salam Sister Elsi,
Excellent find the “The World Without Qatar” by Thierry Meyssan. Now let us put two and two together. The GCC consists of six countries:
1. Saudi Arabia: Very, very rich but the people are very, very poor with the Wahhabi ideology.
2. Bahrain (Two Seas): Very tiny, with about 80% Shia and a Sunni Monarchy and no resources. Basically, the Florida Land Developer called CENTCOM bought the prime beach properties of these Shia owners for pittance. After buying the properties for nothing and kicking out the owners who lived there for generation, the Florida Land Developer found out being a foreigner it can not own properties. So, the properties are now leased to CENTCOM for a tremendous yearly sum. This is the main revenue for the regime of Bahrain. Another revenue for the regime is a bridge built from Saudi Arabia to Bahrain. On weekends most the Saudis enjoy the dazzling life in Bahrain with wine, girls and dine.
3. Qatar: Very, very tiny and in 1970 when I visited, it was only 8 or 10 blocks square and very poor. Suddenly, it hit massive amounts of gas. Rick overnight. The son Hamad bin Jalifa al Thani, took over from his father in a coup. He saw the Wahhabi theology and Saudi Arabia a threat for his country, so he allied himself with MB (Muslim Brotherhood).
Quote from article “On the other hand, the rivalry between Qatar and Saudi Arabia ….”
Kuwait: Tiny and discovered oil early on in the sixties. The ex-Shaikh of Kuwait was a very benevolent person. He not only spread the wealth to Kuwaiti citizens, but helped all countries with hospitals, schools, food and money. He allowed 1 million Palestinians refugees in Kuwait and treated them like his won citizens.
UAE: Consists of Seven States. Abu Dhabi (Zabi) is very rick in oil, almost there with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. The Shaikh of Abu Dhabi is the President of UAE. Dubai very rich and financial sector giant is the second richest State in UAE. The Shaikh of Dubai is Vice President and Prime Minister.
Oman: Very vast country but with a very small population. There is not very much oil and due to vastness of the country it is very expansive to build roads, electricity, water, sewage, and other necessities of life to all areas, thus it resources are thinly spread. But His Majesty is a very benevolent King and all Omani citizens and areas enjoy a very pleasant like. God Bless Him. The main religion in Oman is neither Sunni nor Shia, but Ibada.
I will carry it in the next post.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Salam Sister Elsi,
Thus we saw two different ideology competing with each other in Syria. The MB (Qatar, Egypt, Turkey…) and Wahhabi (Saudi Arabia and it allies), thus Assad was enjoying these terrorists fight with each other under different banners and names.
On 25 June, 2013, the MB ideology lost when the Emir of Qatar abdicated in his son’s favor, Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani. The world turned bleak, Assad days seemed to be numbered. The head of MB, religious scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi went back to Egypt from Qatar and Turkey was isolated. Then Morsi was replaced and Yusuf al-Qaradawi took political asylum in Qatar.
But with different signs, it didn’t look so bleak. Especially, Ukraine was not as it presented to be. Russia got Crimea without firing a shot and the rest of Ukraine got Federalized according to Putin’s wishes. Then came the false flag of Ghouta chemical attack in Syria on 21 August, 2013. The world was ready for war on Syria. Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia went to Russia and threatened Putin personally. Eventually, soon after that Prince Bandar lost his status.
But the remnants of terrorists of both ideology remained in Syria. Then came ISIS (goddess) in their shinny new Toyota vehicles. Very theatrical and HQ being in Hollywood and a figment of imagination. We saw videos of liver eaters, head choppers, burning people alive and so forth. A God sent for Muslims, as no longer Muslims are bad but these fanatics are bad.
Then came some of more positive signs. Some examples:
1. Shia are no longer consider Rafidi (denier) of Allah’s Will and thus no longer unbelievers. Why? The Sunni are now accepting that Prophet Mohammad (saws) left Imam Ali as his successors according to the Shia belief. They are accepting that the Caliphs were not appointed by the Will of Allah.
2. Sectarianism is being thrown out the window.
3. AIPAC and Netanyahu have become almost history.
4. Both Russia and Iran are at the doorsteps of Israel. Russia with naval, ground and air forces. While Iran with ground and air forces. Hopefully, Iran navy will join soon. This was unthinkable about a year ago.
5. No World War III instead a UNSC French draft resolution on Syria voted unanimously by all 15 members.
6. Today, I heard it on CNN and God bless Trump, saying that when 9/11 happened, the Muslims were dancing in the streets. Opening the doors for questioning about 9/11 on the highest level of politics.
7. The list is massive, unending with many, many examples.
Rejoice,
Mohamed.
Salam Sister Elsi,
The reason Russia hesitated to call the downing of the Russian flight in Egypt a terrorism, is because of the following reason:
Dubai, UAE : “Deputy Chief of Dubai’s Police Force Lieutenant General Dahi Khalfan said Israeli spy agency, Mossad, has most likely been behind the downing of the Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula earlier in October.”
http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?fromval=1&cid=23&frid=23&eid=240557
Now, you know why Russia hesitated to call the downing of plane as terrorism.
Also, it is very, very big when the Sunni Religious Scholars say that yes, Prophet Mohammad (saws) left a successor after his death and he didn’t leave the Muslims without a successor. This successor was Imam Ali (as), thus implying:
1. Imam Ali rights were usurped by the Caliphs.
2. Those Caliphs were not appointed by The Will of Allah as they claimed and supported by their puppet religious scholars.
3. Predestination is out of windows.
4. Shia are correct for all these centuries.
5. And, Islam was changed.
6. And, no current Islamic Leader over them is appointed by The Will of Allah, for example General Sisi.
7. And, and ……
God bless Obama, Putin, Kerry, Lavrov, John McCain, Lindsey Graham …….
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Salam Sister Elsi,
The Arabic letter “th” has no equivalent letter in English. The closet pronunciation for the Arabic letter “th” is letter “z” in English. Thus, the name Redha in Arabic is written Reza by the Iranian and other Muslims.
The Family name of Emir of Qatar is al-Thani (The Second). I have never seen it written as al-Zani. Zani is very bad in Arabic. Zina (Zana) is adultery in Arabic and Zani is adulterer. The new Emir of Qatar is very nice and very supportive of Iran.
I understand that grammar wise Arabic is very close to French and uses the “of” construction which is no, no in English. And, everything is either male or female and there is no “it” in Arabic.
For example:
In English: Oman International Airport.
In Arabic: Airport of Oman of International
Matching gender for gender. House is a male and car is female.
Red House : Bait Amar (red – male)
Red Car: Sayara Amra (red – female)
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Marhaba, Mohamed,
I did not mean insulting the Emir of Qatar, it is not my style, you know, it was a misprint possibly thinking in pronunciation. What I do not think is that he has such a good intentions as you think. I consider the Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabism responsible for many of the worst things that have happened and happen to the Arab peoples, including the death of Nasser.
Also, I do not rule out Mossad’s hand in all this, remember that the wounded from the front Al Nusra were recovered in Israeli hospitals near the Syrian border. Others responsible for the worst things that have happened and happen to the Arab peoples.
Thanks a lot for your comments on the temporary marriage and your impressions on the geopolitical game in the Arabian peninsula and the Middle East, always a very interesting point of view for me.
P.S: As I look good all the blessings for Imam Ali, who was surely blessed, and also for Putin and Lavrov, do not seem to me the same for the others, especially for McCain. But I accept your oppinion.
السلام عليكم
The shepherds and the wolves
Wolves plant bombs and shepherds closed borders; wolves threaten democracy and shepherds limited rights; wolves threaten the freedoms and shepherds have them cut. Before the attacks of some, others respond bombing; against wolf snack, slaughter of sheperds(….)
http://cuestionatelotodo.blogspot.com.es/2015/11/los-pastores-y-los-lobos.html
It is a known Fact by those who are informed that, France and Anglo-America are the Secret Allies of ISIS.
They Only Pretend to be enemies, because France and Anglo-America and their Puppets cannot publicly Confess to being Terrorists.
The are a few reasons why France and Anglo-America asked their Secret Ally of ISIS to conduct the Paris attacks.
The Most Important reason is so that Anglo-America by means of France could ask for a United Nations Security Council Resolution in order to Corruptly use it to have a regime change in Syria.
Anglo-America and France did this in Libya, where they Deliberately placed their Secret Ally of Al Qaeda to become the Government of Libya, and to Fund ISIS for a regime change in Syria and to try to destabilize Iraq.
There is one thing that is Obvious regarding Colonialist France’s Attitude, and the same applies to Colonialist England, and to Colonialist America, and this attitude of Presumed Superiority is common to Colonialists.
These Colonialists assume the Right to seek Revenge, but they do not acknowledge the Right of other People who they consider to be Inferior, to also be Human or to have Justice.
If Colonialist France and Colonialist Anglo-America were Human rather than being Anti Human, then they would Confess to their War Crimes in the Middle East and North Africa.
All Decent People will say that it was wrong as to what happened to the Innocent People of Paris.
Colonialist France and Colonialist Anglo-America, who are Not decent People, will not say that it was wrong for Colonialist France and Colonialist Anglo-America to Pre Mediately Murder Millions of Innocent People in the Middle East and North Africa.
Another major reason why Colonialist France and asked their Secret Ally of ISIS to conduct the Paris attacks, was so that France could have an Excuse to accept fewer Refugees, and so that France could ask the Eurozone for a larger Budget Deficit on the Created Excuse of an attack on Paris by Colonialist France’s Secret All of ISIS.
Colonialist France was an Axis of Evil Partner with Colonialist Anglo-America in Libya that put Al Qaeda in Government in Libya, and they did this to create ISIS for regime change in Syria, and to destabilize Iraq.
The World saw how Colonialist France and Colonialist Anglo-America could Not be trusted, because they did Not respect the United Nations Security Resolution on Libya.
There could be People who think that the French President paid ISIS to commit the Paris attacks, because he knows that his Rival for President is a woman, and he knows that to increase France’s Influence in the World, then he knows that some Countries prefer to deal with Male Leaders, and these are the Male Leaders of Countries that Secretly support Anglo-America Secret Ally of ISIS.
The President of Syria was Democratically Elected in a Free and Fair Election over a year ago, and yet Colonialist France and Colonialist Anglo-America are supporting the Secret Ally of Terrorist ISIS, who are made up of Foreigners, and who have No Right to Vote at Syrian Elections.
These are the types of Anti Democratic Terrorists that Colonialist France and Colonialist Anglo-America want to be the Government of Syria, because it Perfectly Reflects Colonialist France’ and Colonialist Anglo-America’s own Definition of Democracy.
The People of Europe have had 2 World Wars because of German Aggression, and they know what it is like to be a Refugee in Desperate Need of some Understanding and Human Compassion during their time of Desperate Need, before they went back to rebuild their own Countries, with some Assistance by those who could Afford to help.
We will see if the European Union will be Stingy and Selfish and Callous to the Plight of Fellow Human Beings, especially amongst the Richer European Countries and Germany, given the Historical Context and Moral Obligations of WW 2.
The Facts are that it is Colonialist France’s and Colonialist Anglo-America’s Illegal and Immoral Wars in the Middle East, which have Created these Refugees in Europe.
The Saker wrote November 20, 2015:
It’s not only a saying: If you want to know what might be the future have a look into the past!
What is happening now in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya … is pretty much the same what happened some 100 years ago – including rise and (soon to be) fall of Daesh. Then it’s been in [Wikipedia:] Central Europe. What now is Daesh then has been the invention of Nazis (everywhere in Europe, including France, Spain and of course UK and so on, not only in Germany). And – wonder after wonder – the inventor is still the same (you all know him).
Even the purpose of the invention – [youtube, 11minutes:] according to Stratfor’s Friedman – is exactly the same: 1. encirclement and 2. condemnation / expropriation of Russia. (There are minor differences between now and then, e.g. then Daesh has been directly financed by the inventor, now Daesh is financed indirectly. The inventor forces Qatar, Saudiarabia and in some regards even Turkey … to do so. For those of you who can’t believe it (there’s an ~150 years old american magazine The Nation, read it as a chronicle!): direct financing of Hitler started in 1923 and was done by JPMorgan (i.e by FED), which lasted until 1942. Financing of european fascist by JPM started in 1920 with Musolini in Italy. For example JPM until 1934 payed salary for more than 400000 [wikipedia:] SA-members, Germany after what you call WW1 and then burdened with reparations simply doesn’t have money to do so. Remark: In 1934 Hitler was obliged to kill most of SA leaders. Some tags for those interested: Hjalmar Schacht (historians sometimes consider him twice as important than A.Hitler), later BIS (bank for international settlements) … All in all, Daesh like before Nazis are inventions. Both remind us of another invention: Golem.)
Thus, the determination of Daesh is the very same as the one for then Daesh, better known as Nazis.
The real and important difference between now and then: Russia didn’t wait until Nazis enter Mother Russia and kill some millions of russians, but instead (the very last minute) started fighting nowadays Nazis outside of Russia. Hence the invention this time will fail and neither the inventor nor Russia will care about the fate of Daesh. As a consequence of the important difference above, this time there won’t be any [wikipedia:] Ratlines (to Southamerica). The rats will simply die. I’m pretty sure Russia didn’t want to reopen any Gulag camp for them – what about the syrian / iraqi dessert? Soon they would be moldered into dust. [My personal preference would be to deliver them (together with all kind of Al-Qaeda) to the purchaser (see below). What about to deliver them to Midwest or at the eastern foot of the Rockies? That’s where they belong to.]
Sorry for any repetition: if you want to have an idea what might be the future of some … details, have a look into the history of these very same details. And please avoid any history given or written by any victor. From time to time this even includes history written by Russia! I.e., this time (Syria) Russia will be (again) the victor. Thus don’t believe russian histories about what happend October, 31th 2015 (Sinai), don’t you!
Addendum:
Don’t you bore me with Germany guilty (or not) of cruelties. Of course it is not. Some 100000s / millions of mainly german but also french, hungarian, italian, spanish, croatian, even malorussian (there is no such thing what some of you call Ukraine! At best it’s an invention of … exactly: Germany 1917 and 1941), baltic people have been turned into Nazis. Of course they are guilty of killing millions, but, but in the same way (sorry for that) human beings nowadays forming Daesh are guilty but not responsible, responsibility for millions of millions of dead people belongs to the inventor of any incarnation of what is nowadays called Daesh. (Consider a killer. Of course he/she is guilty! But the purchaser is not only responsible but even more guilty then the killer!) The inventor started inventing his german tool right after July, 31 1878. The very idea of the invention dates back to Oliver Cromwell (16th century) and his (sic!) invention of zionism.
Again: Don’t you bore me with Germany is guilty of this and that … and what else. Germany as a whole and many germans (if not all of them) has been formed into a tool, into a Golem, the very same way nowadays many muslims have been turned into another tool. That doesn’t mean the tool isn’t a … killing tool, but it’s still a tool. Look at Israel. Israel is another (kind of) tool invented by the very same inventor but for another purpose. Israel is not and in no way ever has been an invention of jewish people. Never! I.e. israelis are of course guilty of killing, responsible for this killing is the inventor (of zionism). Thus speaking of AngloZionism is sheer nonsens! Zionism is an invention of AngloSaxons and not the other way round.
Last remark (this time): Don’t you believe any successor of the current chief inventor would do any better! If you want a better world, you should avoid any kind of authority, reign of authority. You’ll need small enough entities with very strong Direct Democracy – that’s not what China, Russia, EEU, BRICS … look alike. And forget about any religion – as long as god or gods of this or that religion is/are determined to reign. Any (any!) kind of reign is the contrary of law and justice.
Sorry, i forgot to .,. sign.
Excellent post Raven.
Yes it goes back to Cromwell and you can follow it back even further to Holland, Venice, Rome and Egypt, amongst many others.
Our rulers have a tradition of violence and trickery going back thousands of years. Simply educating people on the real history of the world would be enough to turn off the mechanism of genocide and allow us to becomes masters of our own collective future.
The problem is our thought ‘systems’ are built to disempower. Very smart people who gain awareness often fall back into old ways of thinking because they either fear the responsibility or in many cases presume they’ve become ‘superior’ and side with the oppressors. Today we call it ‘Zionism’ which helps explain why even the word makes people nervous.
So Raven, who is the inventor or does that always change ? You say JP Morgan, but I mean, who is he ? I know who he is, but he is not the inventor either. Who is the inventor ? And you say no religion ? Well, that’s the inventor, but the anti religion actually….
Or perhaps you mean the AngloAmerican Establishment ? but that is not a single entity…that is a group-think entity…and it might be that you’re right if you think that.
@Zionism is an invention of AngloSaxons and not the other way round.
So, would make us believe that “Rabbi Judah Loew ben Bezalel, alt. Loewe, Löwe, or Levai, (c. 1520 – 17 September 1609) widely known to scholars of Judaism as the Maharal of Prague, or simply The MaHaRaL, the Hebrew acronym of “Moreinu Ha-Rav Loew,” (“Our Teacher, Rabbi Loew”) was a creation of the Golem, and not the other way round?
Is the idea to get Russia to put all it’s military eggs in the middle east basket, and expend all those missiles there. And then the minimally engaged AngloZioNazi’s start assault on other Russian fronts?
Well, I don’t have a clue about eggs and military – and must assume the Russians know how to space and pace their ‘eggs’
– but I’ve not see the Anglos change their spots since Opium wars, nor indeed the French who are colony dependent parasites too – with now 5yrs intensive investment & support of French colonial ‘FSA’ flag in the UNcivil Syrian war.
Not forgetting too, French sales of $ billions weapons still going through to Saudi (and Qatar?)
Why all this bombing?
Even I know an army runs on it’s stomach – so why no sanctions and censure of those buying stolen oil; why no freeze of all those al CIAda UBS Swiss bank accounts; why no prosecution & freezing of the listed donor accounts presented by Putin at G20; why no immediate closure of the Jarabalus “safe zone” supply passage; why no prosecution of those supplying arms.
So I too wonder what game is being played / set-up as the Anglos, French, Germans and more all angling some more action in their to date mythical “fight against IS”.
There is talk that this is a testing of new doctrine by the Russian military to develop a strategy of long-range conventional strike assets to match what the US has. And using expensive cruise missiles and expensive air planes and missile carriers all seem to be towards this scenario. Only the US currently has it and now Russia will have some variation of conventional power projection. The idea is to destroy the enemy from where they can not touch you.
The US thought they were smart to get the soviets to sign the INF treaty for land based missiles in the range of 500-5000 km.. Sea and Air based missiles are excluded.. The Kalibr missiles comes 4 to a shipping container and can be installed anywhere.. And to neutralize the US global strike initiative where 20,000 cruise missiles are supposed to over power the Russian air defense systems and take out a second strike capability. If the US decides to gather a coalition and punish Russia like they did in 91 with Iraq, they would be wiped out before they got started.
This is not the only thing, The Russian strategic bombers are carpet bombing terrorist front line position in hilly areas. Those TOW missiles can cause quite a bit of damage when tanks are charging up hill. I would think most of this escalation is because of the escalations by US and SA of providing even more lethal and modern weapons and not just testing weapons and doctrines. They used cruise missiles to take out a nursa communication center and a large base. Effectively cutting off coordination and communication between large parts of the front killing like 600 and taking out a bunch of commanders.
Any coalition gathering to punish the Russians Should think twice..
It certainly makes sense.
In Christian teachings, it is said that at the end of days, the armies of the world powers would be gathered for a final fight with the Lord. This would happen in Tel Meggido, also known as Har Maggedon. The muslim faith is basically Christian teachings from an Arab’s perspective. So maybe this outfit believes this is what is happening. Maybe God is guiding events so that his Kingdom may finally come, maybe Satan is working overtime, I dunno. The world is insane.
If Daesh is the mouse, then what is the trap?
And, who is targeted to be caught in the trap?
“And, who is targeted to be caught in the trap?”
Sometimes traps are set without specific target and without expectation of catching anything in the traps.
That’d be one confused and derelict trapper…
The immolation of Daesh (and Assad) by the World Community high priests, foiled for the moment by an interloper in the form of wild bear calls to mind an aphorism of Kafka:
I am thankful for the quality of this site, and impressed by the knowledge of the commenters. Anyhow, RI has piece on the change of narrative regarding Russia: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/we-may-be-about-witness-big-western-narrative-shift-russias-syria-policy/ri11335
One of comments somewhere linked to a think-tank (Heritage) paper and it was pitiful all the falsehoods that were in the abstract. It seems that “whom the gods would destroy they make mad.”
To be honest, I do not think that you have to justify your predictions. They are just that. Predictions. Unless you have one of those new Apple crystal balls, all you can do is look at current and past events and then extrapolate these into the future. I for one think you do a damn fine job.
“all you can do is look at current and past events and then extrapolate these into the future.”
There are other methods available, however the linear extrapolation process you describe is akin to a default method of the opponents.
It would appear that this is a major contributor to surprises.
However some strategists appear not to follow this methodology.
“There are other methods available”
Especially if assistance is not limited to things that go bang or is not based on subject/object presumptions.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/22/russia-debates-unorthodox-orthodox-financial-alternative/
Thanks for this fantastic piece Shaker.
Here are some thoughts regarding the points raised by you and other commentators:
1. What does Daesh want?
I tend to agree with Dick Lenning above that its probably a combination of factors and motives and all 3 mentioned are relevant and applicable. The lower tier foot soldiers are likely the ones who believe in the fantasy of taking over Constantinople and Spain and are probably drugged unto their eyeballs to believe anything sane or else. The middle tier leaders, I think, have some partial understanding of the situation but are more likely mercenaries who are in it for some quick cash. The top leaders, imho, are directly connected to the creators of this monstrous entity and are directly serving the interests of the masters are are quite possibly from them.
Daesh has been successful in creating chaos and destruction in both Irag and Syria and I think that was the plan all along. Its no co incidence that it serves the Zionist and Israeli purpose so well. Pepe Escobar aptly calls the USA, The Empire of Chaos. By creating all this bloodbath, Daesh has indeed made Israel to appear an oasis of peace and serenity in the desert of Middle East.
This brings us to the last point that I am mostly worried about that Daesh has outlived its utility and its time to sacrifice this brand and revamp it with a new version. Changing uniforms, shaving beards and adopting a moderate outfit, these can be sold as the moderate rebels of FSA that we were unable to find recently. With the adoption of a unanimous resolution by the UNSC, USA and France as well as UK and their allies would be legally able to get a foothold in Syria to destroy the Daesh and they would succeed surely. In doing so, they would occupy territories considered to be part of Syria and Iraq and could donate it to the various factions of Kurds, Sunnis and Shias, thus sowing the seeds of permanent conflict and hatred. Russia wouldn’t be able to do much about it. I would be happy if Putin could outfox the Zionists on this one.
2- Russo- French Alliance
In my opinion, Putin has shown a master stoke of diplomacy and statesmanship yet again by using the French narrative against them. Essentially, the Paris tragedy is being used by the French govt in similar manner as to what the US govt did after 9/11. The problem is that the French don’t have that sort of power but nevertheless it gives them a reason to jump into the Syrian conflict and get a place on the final negotiation table. US would be happy for them to do their bidding with the involvement of ground troops and thats what I am really concerned about. Once the French troops descend on to the areas under the current control of Daesh, It would be very difficult for Russia to bomb those areas. However, Putin has pre-empted that by inviting them to work alongside the Russians as allies. I don’t believe it would happen and I think French are simply following a pre-planned script.
3) The Great war
Russia has been pulled deeper into the conflict against it wishes and with more parties converging on the region with bigger guns, an unfortunate incident that could trigger a wide-spread war is very much a possibility.
Contrary to what many observes here have expressed, I don’t think Chinese would get involved overtly at this level. They don’t have a history or culture of foreign interventions and their prime interest is usually business. They would likely resist any attempt to get drawn into a multinational conflict on a foreign land that could bring war back to their own home.
this is a recent post from Pepe Escobar i found it quite appropriate for the intense interrogative who and what are Da’esh and what do they want ~ extrapolate from the funders and structure and a fuzzy pic develops about Regime (hate using that for the duly eleted pres) Change and NG pipelines
THE SYRIAN KURD TWEET MAELSTROM
This is what Syrian Kurds tell other Syrian Kurds on what Daesh is all about. It came from a Syrian Kurd:
“Housed in Turkey, trained in Jordan, logistics by Pakistan, literature from Saudi Arabia, funding from Qatar and Saudi Arabia, on the ground day to day running by Israel, weapons by the US, intelligence by the British, Germans and French, original weapons from Muslim Brotherhood helping them take it out of Libya.”
These cats can swing.
As everything western, it follows western propaganda.. because that is what the people see.. And as such this paper is what they see in Russia’s actions and what should be the response to them. Since they don’t believe in a fair fight, they are conniving.. They believe that it is preferable to befriend someone and when they are asleep, stick a knife in their backs.. by way of deception you wage war thingy.. It has worked for many hundreds of years now..
“We must never accept a fair fight,” Army General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated in his remarks at the 2013 Reagan National Security Forum.[68] If the military were a football team, he said, it would not want to win 10–7, but 59–0. “We can’t lose our global network of global friends and allies, and finally, we simply can’t believe too strongly in our ability to control conflict,” he concluded.
Its a rather long presentation of most major events..
A U.S. Response to Russia’s Military Modernization
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/05/a-us-response-to-russias-military-modernization
Hi Saker… I, too, found that work and routine helped during times of deep grief and thanks for taking time to do your analysis. The videos interspersed added to the presentation also. These are very confusing times. Chaos is encouraged by some of the major players and the fog of informational war is thick. It is important to stay far from the woo-woo but if one must go there it is crucial to be as grounded in logic as possible. Then of course there are the questions—” To what end”? as well as “who benefits”?
For example, the bombing of the Russian airbus. Now many flights were leaving Sharm el Sheik that day so why were not more bombs placed on more planes—it would have made for a spectacular event if it were Daesh who by the way are apocalyptic in theology so, yes, they are those who feel thusly. ” tis the final battle, let each stand in their place,..” . There are many reasons possible…”probable ” as you pointed out is a beast of another color. Besides it being a contemptuous act of despicable revenge, it could be very well intended to pressure the Egyptians. The Saudis could use more Egyptian support in Yemen now if the tourist trade tanks, the Egyptians will become more in debt to the Saudis.
Constant Fear makes people disconnect from their frontal cortex. No Fear.
The question is: What the hell is ISIS/DAESH?
* I delayed commenting on the Saker’s essay for 2 reasons,
1. I wished to read the early comments (to see which way the wind was blowing).
2. Also, I wanted to sober up before restating my views on the origins of the ISIS and most other 20th Century hateful scum.
This lovely Essay by The Saker, (which no one else could write), allows us to rationally broach the issue of the great confrontation between Good and Evil that is shaking our world.
**The Key Question advanced by The Saker (along with a number of hypotheses) is:
Is ISIS/DAESH some evil explicable, or inexplicable group, without a national, or Oligarchal financial connection, or are they Aliens from another world?
I list the essence of Saker’s hypotheses:
“1) Daesh leaders are crazed lunatics. They are in such a hurry to get to heaven that all they want is to die in combat against the infidels. Alternatively, they are so deluded about their power that they think that they can take on the entire planet and prevail. While I cannot discount this hypothesis completely, I find it highly unlikely simply because even if the rank-and-file Takfiri is an ignorant goat herder, the middle and top level commanders are clearly sophisticated and well-educated.
2) Daesh has outlived its utility for the AngloZionist Empire and now it is sent into a battle it cannot win, but which will kill off thousands of now useless liver-eating sociopaths. Maybe. I don’t know where any evidence to support this hypothesis could be found, but this one at least make sense to me.
3) The real purpose for Daesh has always been the same: to inflict such damage to the entire Middle-East that, by comparison, and Israeli occupation would appear as a liberation to the few “lucky” ones who would survive the medieval horrors meted out by Daesh on a daily basis on all the territories it controls. So the bigger the bloodier the fight, the better for the Israelis who have taken a relatively strong state controlled by a relatively strong Baathist leaders – Assad père et fils – and who have now turned it into a heap of smoldering ruins.”
The Saker, sums up: (and I quote a portion) and this is the key:
“Frankly, I find none of the hypotheses above really convincing and that makes me nervous. The question which always haunts all analysts is “what am I missing” and, in this case, it also haunts me. I honestly cannot imagine that the Daesh leaders would sincerely believe that they can win the kind of “war against everybody” they apparently are determined to fight.”
There is an answer:
It is my answer, and as I have not yet had my 15 minutes of fame, it is worth very little. But, what the hell! This forgiving website prints it anyway!
1. The ISIS/DAESH is a Zionist/American, Rothschild, and Oligarch, MOSSAD/CIA/NSA/MI-5, etc., creation. These last four years the Zionist/Americans and their puppet Turkish, Saudi, English, French, and a few others, have been supplying Their Terrorist Armies in Syria, (not bombing them as they claim – which explains the lack of damage inflicted by the bombings, as well as the repeated complaints of the Iraqi Government that – resupply of the terrorists, rather than bombing, is exactly what the American Air forces have been doing in the Iraqi theater of the conflict).
2. It is difficult for the Zionist Terrorists to denounce the Russians for bombing their own troops (ISIS/DAESH) – as they tell their subject Rubes & Sheeple that the ISIS is not them, but some (unusually capable – but) dislocated and disaffected group of angry Arab Muslims.
3. The Russians, anxious to give the imperialists room to retreat, as they did at the Debaltsevo Pocket in the Ukraine, do not dot the i’s, although Russian President Vladimir Putin, to his everlasting credit, threw out some very strong hints (such as the one in his speech at the UN).
4. The leaders of those who must do the fighting against the zionist-imperialist-terrorists’ armies make the decisions to allow the Nazi hoards of Morder to retreat, in an effort to lighten their burdens. To absolutely liquidate one’s enemy requires more energy and sacrifice, and is not always an option.
[I have just been expelled from the Anarchist Collective].
5. The ISIS/DAESH, and other terrorist labels, are in retreat, re-organization. They are being resupplied, but without the complete air cover they enjoyed in the past. Many are retreating, north, to Turkey, and south, toward Saudi Arabia, and Occupied Palestine. There’s a clue. Hint!!!
6. Remember, when the Russians began the counter-attack (bombing), the zionist/imperialist media was replete with furious diatribes of how the Russians Air Corps was – a. not bombing ISIS b. was killing civilians c. only supporting ‘dictator’ Assad, who was responsible for the terror, And, ISIS, d. the Russian intervention was making things worse, and only strengthening ISIS?
Remember? I don’t have to make this stuff up.
7. They (the Zionist/American terrorist armies and hired mercenaries), are in retreat – for now. It is a partial retreat, but they are moving backwards, in the direction of Tel Aviv, Washington DC, Wall Street, London, Paris, and Berlin.
In Conclusion:
What does that teach us?
ISIS/DAESH Terrorists -The Enemy is at Home!
For the Democratic Republics!
IMAGINE
Of course, I’m aware we are in the 21st Century.
Saker
Very interesting and detailed comment. However there is something missing from the analysis which you yourself admit. This is the big possibility that IS is really a surrogate not just for the takfiris but also for the US and allies. In UK all the politicians and most of the media talk of Syria as if the Russian intervention does not exist. My general hypothesis is that the west wants to institute a safe haven by displacing Daesh from their Raqqa area and after establishing a de facto presence there probably with the help of the Kurds, will then present this as a fact on the ground to counteract Russian action or pre-eminence in what happens to Syria. Your comments would be appreciated.
in 2003 gitmo inmate abdullah mehsud was suddenly released to everbody’s surprise, mehsud was supposedly a very dangerous jihadist full of hatred for *the great satan*.
yet he was set free even while aussie taliban hicks was still rotting in gitmo and…..the first thing he did upon release was to kidnap two chinese engineers, resulting in one of them being killed. !!!
in 2013, mehsud’s outfit pak ttp tracked down chinese tourists and shot them in cold blood,
*to avenge for murkkan drone attacks* [sic]
yesterday, isis killed a chinese citizen, was it to avenge for russian air raids ?
today, three chinese slain in mali terrorists attack….was it to avenge for murkkan wot in mali since 2001?
just wondering, what’r these terrarists smoking, why are they stalking the chinese of all people, instead of the great satan ?
No Denk!
India did it! It’s all India’s fault! Don’t you see the connection? In Mali Chinese execs were murdered but mysteriously those 21 Indian “hostages” walked away unharmed: that means ISIS is controlled by RAW. So how’s the embargo going? something very fishy about Isis – just too convenient that their map of Dar-Ul-Islam, their final caliphate, includes Pakistan, half of China but not India. Yep that points to Indian sponsorship, no question about it: the Indian Hegemon’s tentacles stretch very far! Not only that that, if you slip on banana peel and smack your face on the ground – it’s India’s fault! Really! Honest injun!
cia/raw , partners in crime.
er, raw being the junior of cause !
http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/the-letter-of-dr-baburam-bhattarai-on-the-palace-massacre-in-nepal/
p.s.
too many anons from india posting here,
why not use a moniker ?
how about *denks’s diehard fan* ?
hehehehe
Doesn’t the French resolution calling for all nations to oppose ISIS give Turkey a fig leaf for an incursion of the Syrian border?
It would be easy enough to engineer a shoot out with some takfiris fleeing northward into Turkey and then be “obliged” to pursue them back into Syrian territory.
Any subsequent skirmish could invoke Article 5 of the NATO constitution and suddenly there’s thousands of the Eastern European NATO rapid deployment force in Northern Syria, carving out a “safe area”. At the same time preventing Syrian Kurds joining their seperate areas of control.
MKB is not a 100% reliable writer or analyst by any means, so beware.
I have read his stuff for many years on atimes, & he’s all over the place.
he’s an ex-diplomat, so his forte is smooth-talking, obfuscation with a lot of plain vanilla BS inserted.
Could be another timed planted story which happened only in the mind of the copydesk writer, to gin up the war further.
http://atimes.com/2015/11/turkey-gets-toehold-on-syrian-territory-finally/
The reports from Turkey through the one-week period had indicated that there is a joint Turkish-American military effort under way to fasten the border with Syria. Washington has been cagey about admitting the scale of involvement of the US military, but did not deny the Turkish media reports conclusively, either.
At any rate, the strategic ambiguity has just ended. The ‘breaking news’ from Ankara says Syrian opposition group Al-Sultan Murad Brigades “supported by Turkish and US war planes took control of two Turkmen towns in northern Syria” early Saturday. The reports say six Turkish F-16 aircraft, four US F-15 fighter jets and an American AC-130 took part in the operation along with three drones.
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Erdogan will watch how Moscow reacts. The Turks have great mastery in ‘salami tactics’. Erdogan gets an opportunity to sit down with President Vladimir Putin in late December when the Turkish-Russian High-Level Council is due to meet in the southern Russian city of Kazan.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/isis-wants-us-to-invade-7-facts-revealed-by-their-magazine/
#4. Violent Reprisals Are Exactly What They Want
Every issue of Dabiq begins with the same quote: “The spark has been lit here in Iraq, and its heat will continue to intensify — by Allah’s permission — until it burns the crusader armies in Dabiq.” And here’s where the magazine gets its name.
Dabiq is an area in Northern Syria where, according to prophecy, Allah will do the whole “pillar of salt” thing on the armies of the West. For that to happen, we need to actually put our armies in Dabiq first. One thing reading 11 issues of Dabiq makes very clear is that ISIS considers a future U.S.-led invasion to be inevitable. They view the regional powers around them as destined to fall and, when that happens, in rides Uncle Sam and out pops the apocalypse.
Another RuAF first, newest RVV-MD AAM during SU-30SM combat sorties in Syria v BMPD
https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/667952905870274560
Latest Air to Air missiles to use on ?
TU-22M3 struck 6 land targets at 05.00-05.50 (Msc) TU-160 launched ALCM over RUS territory at 09.00-09.10 (Msc)
Chronology of RuAF and RuNAVY missiles and bombing strikes against ISIS 17-20 Nov
https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/668021600403521536
RuAF group in Syria got designation Aviation brigade of Special Tasks, All aircraft based in Syria..
and 5 TU160, 6 TU95, 14 TU22, 8 SU34, 4 Su27’s not based in Syria..
https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/666865386541944832
Russian shipping containers, for bombs.. Interesting that the bombs come inside cages.
https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/666697585973993473
first test flight of MI-28N-night combat helicopter
https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/665653400529448964
ISIS is the god-child of Assad and Al-qaeda -according to McCain:
Did John McCain Actually – Literally – Choke on His Own Rage While Discussing Russia and Syria?
At 2:40 in the video if you can’t stand watching the entire thing.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/did-john-mccain-actually-literally-choke-his-own-rage/ri11352
Assad created ISIS?! You must be joking.
U mean this dude/dudette?:
https://obama4usa.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/queen_john_mccain.jpg
I have a better one missed so far—last evening there was a story up one of the few true news sites I follow said Mr. Ed is claiming that the US is nearly finished its work in Syria cleaning out Daesh/ISIS!
Say WTF!
This can only mean he realizes the end is not just near it’s here for their Syria backyard murder & mayhem rampage, or he’s just dealing vlad a low blow by stealing credit a priori.
On that theme, nearest news I can find saying there might be a sudden total collapse in ISIS there damn soon, what with zero supplies to them anywhere, their LOC cut either by jamming or bombing, etc.:
Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:34
ISIL Left with Only 34 Bases in Iraq, Syria
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940830000644
Perhaps this line was misinterpreted due to the imprecision of the English language?
“The end of the ISIL which has been borne by the westerners is close.”
I’d read that as ‘westerners created ISIL and that ISIL is close to toast’ but you could equally read that as ‘westerners precipitating the end of ISIL’
I’d caution that the members of ISIL are amorphous -much like the tribes in Afganistan whose allegiances ebb and flow and particularly to whomever is currently the ‘top dog’.
I didn’t see any choking — just a bunch of the usual lies.
In response to your question on the aims of Daesh is that they in themselves have no aims as such. They are a Satanic instrument of destruction controlled in various ways from the outside in which the highest level of control is in the British empire and the European oligarchy. The Zionists in part, just as the U.S. neocons are as well, similar instruments of destruction. One destruction feeds another. To get a glimmer of this, I refer you to the 1992 work of Jean Christophe Rufin’s book (English title) “The Empire and the New Barbarians: North South Rupture.” This is otherwise called the “Limes” policy and the use of Malthusian catastrophes brought on by various forms of purgative violence in the South to turn the “lesser” developed world into a terra incognita and prevent its development. “Limes” stands for “wall” The refugee situation is attempting to be used to that end. The emerging BRICS process is the counter to that.
When re thinking things all around US mindset and policy and Isis mindset, i found a disturbing thought.
What if you, a european, asian or southmaerican guy tell a US citizen that the usual foreign policy methods of the empire [since at least the yuguslavia partition] is not different in essence and nature to those of ISIS?
The Isis one is threaten, violence and the promotion of the greatest fear among everyone else.
The US one is threaten, blackmail and consequently the spread of maximum FEAR among allies and third parties if they don´t do what US wants them to do.
That´s exactly what Obama said publicly “we have to occasionally twist arms etc… since they do not do what we need them to do”.
Is that essentially different from the ISIS approach, tell me honestly, is that different?
…far from fearing the West, most Russians find it crippled with narrow-minded consumerism, devoid from any real moral or ethical values, fantastically ignorant and provincial and suffering from terminal infantilism.
Wow! I was a Russian and didn’t even know it.
Hollade is about to meet Obama in the US and he will probably be told in no uncertain terms that he must not “play ally” with Russia. Considering how abjectly subservient Hollande has been the the USA, I am not optimistic at all about the French meaningfully joining forces with Russia.
Nor am I. Beware people: this could be a ruse to help ZATO get its foot in the door in Syraq. If they can do that, there’ll be nothing stopping them from transforming their little Sunni-stan into a new Kosovo for the purpose of destabilizing neighboring states, when necessary. Beware…
Saker, thank you for writing this.
Re. three possible explanations that don’t satisfy you,
How about the one we started out with a year ago, heck, two years ago, that the object is to justify US troops on the ground? Now that Daesh is weakened, a swift US-supported ground incursion into eastern syria before SG troops can take it?
Saker, condolences.
With respect to your rhetorical question regarding motivation for Daesh:
Daesh is driven by the belief its actions can facilitate the arrival of Judgement Day. The global powers have decided to preempt the messianic narratives/eschatologis inbuilt in the faiths stemming from and or surrounding the ME with a false climax and a false judgement day to prove that no such day is in the offering and so end up as it were in a decade of twos time with a largely atheist or at least agnostic ME.
Reading all the comments some powerful themes emerge that motivate people. Religion / The Saviour / Prophecy. Then there are the exposed actions of State and other players that scream duplicity / treachery / deep government / secret cults – societies. Between us all the answer for Daesh is ‘in’ there. All variations are heavy with evil doing. But Russia’s role in this I respect. Theres one theme that is more hidden under the lies and deceit than the others due to media control. Zionist Israel. I hope all Israeli centers are nuclear targeted by Russia and the Zionists know it. This would be prudent. There is no doubt these are truly monumental times with huge changes for mankind being certain.
isis isnt the only terrarist outfit which seem to be in a haste to meet their 72 virgins.
boko haram, kony’s army in africa also exhibits similar masochism. they practically taunted the murkkans to bomb/drone them ., just like the ever green aq.
everytime the unitedsnake vaunted to wipe these terrarists off the earth, they up the ante with more atrocities , kinda like *come and get me uncle sham, what’r u waiting for ? !!
*conspircy theorists* have been scratching their heads over this for yrs now,
how come whenever the unitedsnake was itching to invade some country, aq or one of its affiliates would be there to provide the pretext ?
meet aq, uncle sham’s best friend !
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5266.htm
The Islamic State is the Muslim Brotherhood. The have exported thier Army as refugees and now Syria is a diversion. A relatively small force remains to give the appearance necessary for good cover, but the bulk are refugees. The war will become multi faceted for them conducting similar small operations across Europe and quite possibly the mainland USA. What they want is simple, an Islamic State brought to fruition by breaking the west.
@The Islamic State is the Muslim Brotherhood
Correct! You must add the more shadowy Hizb ut-Tahrir.
“Hizb ut-Tahrir (Arabic: حزب التحرير Ḥizb at-Taḥrīr; Party of Liberation) is an international pan-Islamic political organisation. They are commonly associated with the goal of all Muslim countries unifying as an Islamic state or caliphate ruled by Islamic law (sharia) and with a caliph head of state elected by Muslims.”
No MiG-31 are deployed, but instead some SU-30 are.
Russian airforce strategic bomber fleet flight path in action over Syria.. Escorted by Iran F4E, F14, Mig 29, Russian SU30 and SU 27’s.. No air cover over Iraq?
#RuAF Strategic bombers in action over Syria 17-20/11/15
6950, 6051 and 6053 AvBs Tu-22M3s, Tu-95s and Tu-160s.
https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/667968801372139520
2 IL78’s also based in Iran? 6 TU95’s landed in iran.. TU160’s also landed in Syria?? Or they flew from the Mediterranean to go back to base.
Lots of movement for RuAF.. 14 TU22 took part in the action..
sheikh imran hosein suggested that isis(israel) is the successor for saudi(usa) just like the saudi for ottoman(britain)
– from borneo