This column was written for the Unz Review: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/week-thirteen-of-the-russian-intervention-in-syria-debunking-the-lies/
Ever since the first rumors began to circulate about an impending Russian military intervention in Syria the Internet and the media have been flooded with all sorts of silly rumors, myths and outright lies about what could/would happen. These rumors, myths and outright lies are still being spread today, and not only by pro-US interest groups, but even by supposedly pro-Russian “analysts”. All this nonsense completely obfuscates the reality of the Russian intervention in Syria (but maybe that was the goal all along?) and tries to paint the Russian operation as a failure. After three months of Russian air and missile strikes in Syria, it is a good time to ask the question of whether the Russians have achieved some tangible results or whether, as some are suggesting, this has basically been a big PR operation.
The key issue here is what criteria to use to measure “success”. And that, in turns, begs the question of what the Russians had hoped to achieve with their intervention in the first place. It turns out that Putin clearly and officially spelled out what the purpose of the Russian intervention was. On October 11th, he declared the following in an interview with Vladimir Soloviev on the TV channel Russia 1:
Our objective is to stabilize the legitimate authority and create conditions for a political compromise
That’s it. He did not say that Russia would single-handedly change the course of the war, much less so win the war. And while some saw the Russian intervention as a total “game changer” which would mark the end of Daesh, I never believed that. Here is what I wrote exactly one day before Putin make the statement above:
Make no mistake here, the Russian force in Syria is a small one, at least for the time being, and it does not even remotely resemble what the rumors had predicted (…) There is no way that the very limited Russian intervention can really change the tide of the war, at least not by itself. Yes, I do insist that the Russian intervention is a very limited one. 12 SU-24M, 12 SU-25SM, 6 SU-34 and 4 SU-30SM are not a big force, not even backed by helicopters and cruise missiles. Yes, the Russian force has been very effective to relieve the pressure on the northwestern front and to allow for a Syrian Army counter-offensive, but that will not, by itself, end the war.
I was harshly criticized at that time for “minimizing” the scope and potential of the Russian operation, but I chose to ignore these criticisms since I knew that time would prove me right.
What happened then was a typical exercise in hyperbole: many putatively pro-Russian commentators took turns writing euphoric “analyses” which day after day spiked the public’s hopes only to then later come crushing down in disappointment. Predictably, the more the gap between expectations and reality on the ground grew, the more the critiques Putin and Assad could gloat about the Russian “failure to win”. That kind of pseudo-analysis is built on a typical “straw man” fallacy: the ridiculous notion that the Russian intended to single-handedly defeat Daesh. Sadly, “pro-Russian” commentators greatly contributed to the construction of that “straw man” by their (and not the Russian military’s) completely unrealistic expectations and predictions.
Following the second week of the Russian intervention in Syria I wrote:
The Russian force is small and vulnerable. Of course, one option for the Russians would be to expand the airfield near Latakia, but that would take time and more resources and my understanding is that they want to consolidate their current airfield first. However, as a stop-gap measure, the Russians could use Russian-based bombers. If Iran allows Russia to conduct in-air refueling in Iranian airspace or if Iran allows Russia to use Iranian airbases, then many more SU-34/SU-35SM or SU-34/SU-30SM “air force packages” could be engaged in Syria. In theory, Russia could even provide her Tu-22M3 to deliver gravity bombs, her Tu-95MS to deliver cruise missiles and her Tu-160 to deliver either one or both. I don’t think that there is any military necessity to use these strategic bombers right now, but it might be a good idea to do so for political reasons – just to flex some more ‘military muscle’ and show the Neocons that Russia is not to be messed with. Submarine launched cruise missiles would also work, especially if launched by a Russian sub in the Mediterranean which the USN did not detect.
And this is exactly what happened next: Russia began to use her strategic aviation to augment her capabilities and to show the West that the Kremlin meant business. I then concluded by saying:
So far, the Kremlin has done a superb PR job explaining that Daesh is a direct threat to Russia and that it was better for Russia to “fight them over there than over here”. This logic, however, is predicated on the idea that a very limited Russian intervention can tip the balance. There is a very fine conceptual line between tipping the balance and fighting someone else’s war and that is something the Kremlin is acutely aware of. Hopefully, this line will never be crossed.
To be fair to the Kremlin, saying that it is better to “fight them over there than over here” is in no way a promise the tip any balance. But there were many Russian commentators who did say that the Russian intervention would, indeed, tip the balance and the Kremlin did not directly refute these claims. So I suggest the following goal setting by the Kremlin:
- Primary objective: stabilize the legitimate authority and create conditions for a political compromise
- Secondary objective: tip the balance of the war in favor of the Syrian armed forces.
Having discarded the silly strawman arguments and we have established the real Russian goals we can now evaluate whether Russia has been successful or not.
Following only three weeks of Russian air and missile operations, Assad came to Moscow and the first multilateral negotiations, which brought together the foreign ministers of Russia, the US, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, took place in Vienna. All the countries which had unleashed their aggression against Syria under the “Assad must go” slogan now had to accept that Assad was not going anywhere. This was a complete diplomatic triumph for Russia. This first triumph was followed by another series of triumphs at the UNSC. In the meantime, on the ground in Syria, the Syrian military, for the first time in months, actually began a series of counter-offensive which slowly, but systematically, began to push back Daesh in most sectors of the front. So if the criteria is “stabilizing the legitimate authority and creating conditions for a political compromise”, then the Russian operation is nothing short of a total victory, a true diplomatic triumph achieved in a very short time. In less than one month, the Russians succeeded in making Assad’s presence at the head of a legitimate government in Damascus an indisputable reality which all Assad-haters had to accept, and the conditions for a political compromise were created, at least in diplomatic terms.
Now let’s take a closer look at what has actually happened in military terms. But before we do that, let me repeat once again that tipping the military balance has never been the primary Russian objective, only a secondary one which could be achieved, or so the Russians hope, in the process of achieving the first, main, one. To prove my point, I will have to repeat again and again something I have been mantrically repeating for the past three months: the “operational-tactical group of the Russian AirSpace Force (RASF) in Syria” (that is its official name) is roughly equivalent to just one aviation regiment. Without going into many details, you need to know that Russian military theory has developed a very strict set of norms which outline in great detail the kind of forces needed to successfully execute any specific task. What is absolutely clear to anybody with even a basic understanding of warfare and, especially, air operations, is that one single aviation regiment cannot be used to defeat a force with well over 100’000 combatants deployed across a territory of roughly 150’000 km2 (just in Syria) supported by a network of bases and training camps in Turkey and other countries of the region and which gets a quasi infinite supply of weapons, combatants and money from numerous wealthy state sponsors. Ask anybody with even a superficial knowledge of Russian military theory and he/she will tell you that this is not the kind of task an given to an aviation regiment. Those who say otherwise simply don’t know what they are talking about.
What is truly remarkable is that the range of missions accomplished by this aviation regiment equivalent size force has been one which normally have been given to an aviation division (a force roughly 3 to 5 times larger). Let me repeat that: this regimental size force has, for three months nonstop, successfully executed the amount of airstrikes normally given to a force 3 to 5 times bigger. Now I don’t know about you, but for me this sure is the sign of a fantastically successful operation. Ask any military commander how he would feel if the force he commands could accomplish not just the full set of tasks it is supposed to accomplish, but 3 to 5 times more, and this in real combat operation. I assure you that this commander would be elated. The fact that some are still capable of speaking of a Russian military failure is a sign of either dishonesty or ignorance (or both).
Some pseudo-analysts have tried to justify their negative evaluation of the Russian operation by counting the percentage change in the territory controlled by the government forces as opposed to Daesh and its allies. Again, this is a case of either dishonesty or professional incompetence. The fact that Daesh controls roughly 80% of the Syrian territory is meaningless nonsense. Not only because this 80% of land only includes 20% of the population of Syria, but because the very notion of “control” means nothing in the context of this war.
What is really happening is this: most of the combat operation are centered around major urban areas (cities) and specific lines of communications (roads). In terms of small towns or the rest of the countryside, it is not really “controlled” by anybody. Typically, when the government forces take village “A”, the Daesh forces go to “B” and when the government takes “B”, Daesh goes back to “A”. (Those interested in these tactical issues should read this interview of a Russian military specialist with a great deal of experience of Syria translated by my friend Tatzhit Mihailovich). The government forces are already overstretched and are barely capable of mounting an offensive without having to move their forces allocated to the defense of key cities. This is also why the Syrian counter-offensive has been so slow: a dire lack of manpower.
Furthermore, since the real fighting centers around urban areas and key axes of communications, the very use of percentages of territory are meaningless in measuring the success of failure of these operations. Take the example of Aleppo: if/when the Syrians finally fully liberate the city from Daesh, which would be a major success, the percentage shift in controlled territory will be absolutely insignificant. Yet it would be a major success for the government forces.
None of the above, however, really answers the question of whether the Russian military intervention in Syria has tipped the balance in favor of the Syrian government or not. Some say that it has, others deny that. My strictly personal opinion is that no, it has not or, I should say, not yet. But there are some signs that it might in the near future. What are these signs?
First, the pressure on Turkey to stop acting like a rogue-state lead by an irresponsible megalomaniac has been increasing every since the downing of the Russian SU-24 and the subsequent Russian revelations about the Turkish regime and, specifically, the Erdogan family’s involvement in the illegal purchase of Daesh oil. So far the regime is holding fast, but it is clearly hurting politically and the tensions are now flaring up inside and all around Turkey. While I don’t expect Erdogan to cave in to external pressures, I do think that the tensions in Turkey will end up hurting Daesh, probably in a minor way unless the conflict with the Kurds truly blows up, at which point Daesh will be affected in a much more significant manner.
Second, there are some signs that Daesh is running into military difficulties in Iraq and political difficulties in the rest of the Arab world. The fact that the Saudis have now felt the need to create what is basically a Sunni anti-Shia terrorist force (aka officially as “Islamic anti-terrorist force”) is a clear sign that Daesh is not living up to their expectations.
Third, the Russians are now providing heavy artillery systems and training to the Syrians who are now slowly but surely acquiring the kind of firepower which the Russians have used with devastating effectiveness against the Wahabis in Chechnia.
Fourth, while the Russian air operations are, by definition, incapable of defeating a well-dug in and dispersed guerrilla force, it can place a great deal of stress on its logistics and supply lines. It also severely restricts the mobility of Daesh forces, especially by night.
Fifth, with the direct support of the RASF, the Syrians, backed by Hezbollah, have begun retaking control of some segments of the Syrian border with Lebanon and Turkey. That is, by the way, one of the most difficult yet crucial tasks for the government forces: to take as much of the Syrian border with Turkey under control (the Iranians will do that with the Iraqi border). This has not happened so far, and it will not happen in the near future, but the events are moving in the right direction.
But what will really decide of the outcome of this war is not firepower but logistics. Currently, the Syrians are at a huge disadvantage: not only are the short on ammunition and, especially, spares, but their entire armament is outdated and way past its theoretical service life. The Syrian government forces have also suffered terrible losses in manpower but the Syrians cannot afford a full mobilization as this would greatly hurt an already suffering economy. Keep in mind that the Syrians have been fighting this war for longer (4 years and 9 months) than the Soviet Union fought WWII (3 years and 10 months). The fact that cracks are showing everywhere are normal. In fact, the only thing which the Syrians seem to have an infinite supply of is courage.
Daesh (and when I speak of Daesh I mean all of them, the “good terrorists” and the “bad ones”) as, so far, enjoying a quasi limitless supply of combatants, equipment, supplies and, most importantly, money. With the full backing of the USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Israel and many European countries, this is hardly surprising. Daesh also enjoys a huge geographical advantage because it can use Turkey, Jordan and Iraq as a rear basis and safe heaven.
Make no mistake here, the Syrians are the underdog here and there is nothing the Russians can do to change that, at least not alone. The key issue here is what Iran is capable and willing to do in this situation. Iran has already done a lot and I believe that the Iranians will do more but only there is no other way. It is not that the Iranians lack courage or means, but the fact that they are already taking a huge risk in being so deeply involved in this war. I am personally surprised by the fact that the USA, especially, Israel have not already started to denounce an “Iranian invasion of Syria”, especially since the USA did not have any qualms about denouncing a totally fictional “Russian invasion” of the Donbass. But if the number of Iranian boots on the ground goes up this kind of propaganda will be used (even if the Iranians are legally present at the request of the legitimate Syrian government).
Sadly, the AngloZionists have succeeded in created an immense and truly toxic mess with their interventions in the Maghreb and the Middle-East. Just as in the Ukraine, there is no simple solution to stop the conflict and return to peace. In the Ukraine, the Empire unleashed a nauseous mix of Nazis and Jews, while the Middle-East is now threatened by a massive Takfiri infestation. Neither Russia nor Iran will ever be able to solve this conflict by “winning” it. Things have gone way too far and just as peace will return to the Ukraine only after a full-denazification, peace will only return to the Middle-East after a full de-Takfirization of the region, including in Saudi Arabia and Qatar. To those who will accuse me of being naïve about the realistic prospects of ridding the Ukraine of Nazis and the Middle-East of Wahabis, I will reply with a few simple and basic questions: do you really and sincerely believe that peace can be made with Nazis and Takfiris? Do you think that either group will simple “give up” their delusional insanity and become a “normal” political force? Or do you really believe that only liberating the Donbass and Syria of these shaitans and leave them in control of the rest of the Ukraine/Middle-East will really bring peace to the Donbass or Syria?
The truth is that the war in the Ukraine will only end when all of the Ukraine is liberated, just as the war in the Middle-East will only end when all of the Middle-East is liberated. You might not like this notion – I sure don’t – but reality has never been dependent on our likes or dislikes. This will be a long war.
The Saker
Saker:
The Truth:
“Daesh (and when I speak of Daesh I mean all of them, the “good terrorists” and the “bad ones”) as, so far, enjoying a quasi limitless supply of combatants, equipment, supplies and, most importantly, money. With the full backing of the USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Israel and many European countries, this is hardly surprising.”
Your Truthful Tribute to Russia:
“In less than one month, the Russians succeeded in making Assad’s presence at the head of a legitimate government in Damascus an indisputable reality”
The Hard Truth:
“The truth is that the war in the Ukraine will only end when all of the Ukraine is liberated, just as the war in the Middle-East will only end when all of the Middle-East is liberated.”
You have written a beautiful, courageous, and informative essay.
Will read it again, and then send it to my mailing list.
PJA
While I do like your analysis I think you are a bit too pessimistic. It will be a long hard slog but “when” Aleppo falls to government forces the tide will have turned. The demoralization of the IS fighters experiencing something they have not in 4+ years, active & accurate air power, is showing. They are regrouping their fighters to defend Mosul in Iraq. If you think Aleppo is taking a long time wait until the Iraqi forces (with Russian air support) start in on that operation.
I agree that this is a marathon and not a sprint. As the supplies dwindle and the air attacks continue Syria will be retaken. The statement from Putin about political compromise means everyone but Daesh. The crucial point will be the level of Kurdish involvement. If the Iraqi Kurds continue to do business with the Turks for illegal oil sales then it makes liberating Iraq that much harder. I think that the Syrian Kurds are more likely to side with Russia than the USA/Turkey.
removed. No attacking the Saker.Mod TR.Any one seriously following the situation on the ground with real intel will not agree that there should be no flag waving for Syrians.The Airforce of Nato,Turkey,Israel and GCC have turned into bare papermache,they cant assist their mercenaries they call ‘moderate’ rebels.Turkey and Arabia are facing serious geopolitical risks.Qatar royalty the main paymasters of mercenaries are on the run as there’s is a ,S and D on them.The so called moderate mercenaries are having their asses wiped by SAA for sure.They are history a psychop by their controllers made up of the ‘usual suspects’.Expect the narrative to spin widely off soon.
Starting the new year on a clear confrontational & dictatorial bent, biggest news already is Erdogoon’s comment ensuring is enshrinement into this week’s & the year’s Thug Life: Turkey u-tube highlight reel, & that beheading? of the peaceful Iranian cleric in detention in S.A.–you can tell because of the number of story-lines on this on any of the Iran news sites. Tells me this act means the southern front war against Yemen, actively aided by the Iranians, is going very very badly for them:
http://www.tasnimnews.com/en
http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2016/01/02/959633/muslims-urged-to-rise-against-saudi-regime-after-execution-of-sheikh-nimr
http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2016/01/02/960026/iranian-speaker-sheikh-nimr-s-execution-to-put-saudi-regime-in-a-tough-vortex
http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2016/01/02/959643/iran-slams-saudi-arabia-s-execution-of-senior-cleric
etc…
Erdogoon:
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/01/02/444154/Turkey-Erdogan-AKP-Hitler-CHP-Gursel-Tekin-MHPOktay-Vural–/
Thanks Saker on Week 13 analysis: The war will be won Not by “firepower but logistics” and I daresay by practical politics which calls on people to take the high road. My military guru predicts that the neocon cabal is up to another provocation/diversion to the anti Daesh campaign–probably involving an attempt to break off Hezbollah from the fight in Syria using Israel. If this happens in the next month, it will end badly or at least not the way they have it planned. Time will tell.
” My military guru predicts that the neocon cabal is up to another provocation/diversion to the anti Daesh campaign ”
I mean, what else can they do?
Hoaxes upon false flags followed by massacres are their preferred modus operandi – kosher Nazi tactics.
Putin played it very clever. He didn’t go against NATO or Pentagon forces, but against shadowy CIA-Mossad proxy armies, who everybody – including the CIA – pretends to fight against.
No CNN, no Guardian will come to ISIS’ rescue. Controlled media doesn’t even dare to make a noise when the SAA and RuAF mercilessly hunt down exorbitantly expensive, yet hapless Petrodollar mercenaries. Up to 20,000 Daesh fighters might have been killed so far. And the KIA numbers are rising faster than the US national debt.
It will be a tough year for the think tank heroes over at Stratfor and the Brookings institute. For the first time in their life they will have to come up with real analysis based on real facts beyond their usual schmooze. An impossible task.
Prediction:
Unable to come up with winning strategies for the Ukraine and Syria, CIA-Mossad will instead migrate their terror roadshow to Libya, Mali, Afghanistan and who knows where else.
Whats funny is the Taliban believe pretty much the same things as IS, yet both of them are cutting off each others heads.. Then you know it has nothing to do with ideology but a gang turf war..
I can understand “Zionist”. Also, “AngloZionist” as a neologism for the current US elite. I can understand Jewish Ukrainians as unsavoury as some other Ukrainians. Indeed, it’s not hard to tell a what-if story that would account for lots of Jewish Ukrainians turning out a bad lot. What I struggle with is, “the Empire unleashed a nauseous mix of Nazis and Jews”. Nazis are nauseous pretty much by definition. But, Jews…?
?!
The mix does include a mix of Nazis and Jews. That is just factual. I did not say that Nazis or Jews are nauseous, I said that the *mix* was nauseous. Is it not?
Or do you object on principle to my mentioning Jews even when they are part of the picture?
For the life of me I don’t understand what your problem is….
I do know that some folks just feel electrocuted when Jews are mentioned in any context other than a completely positive one, but to me that makes no sense at all. I think that Jews should be mentioned just as any other religion/ethnicity/tribe/group.
Dunno about you, but I treat Jews just like any other group: no special right, no special obligations, no special status. Just a group of people just like any other.
Can we please stop pretending like Jews and Jewish related issues are The Most Important Thing In The Universe (TMITITU) and deal with the really important issues?
It is fairly straightforward. That they (whoever it is you’re referring to) are Jews is relevant because…? (As opposed to criminals or oligarchs or apparatchiks or agents of a foreign power or…)
Are we back to the simple but surprisingly resilient error in logic that has served so well before: There were Jewish people among the Bolsheviks, therefore the Bolshevik persecution of the Orthodox Church was a Jewish conspiracy. There are a helluva lot of bankers who are Jewish, therefore the capitalist financial system is a Jewish conspiracy…I’m sure you can come up with others.
This is an odd way of treating Jewish people like any other.
It is fairly straightforward. That they (whoever it is you’re referring to) are Jews is relevant because…?
Because the prevalence of Jews (including double nationals with Israelis passports) amongst the oligarchs in the Ukraine (and Russia, I would add) is rather bizarre since the regime’s ideology is openly Nazi. The fact that Jews could get in bed with this Nazi scum is both amazing and a disgrace to these Jews (many of which are alive only because the Soviet Army liberated them from camps, many of which were staffed by Banderites). This is why I call that mix “nauseous” – any Jew allied to a Nazi is, at least in my book, a despicable individual.
resilient error in logic that has served so well before: There were Jewish people among the Bolsheviks, therefore the Bolshevik persecution of the Orthodox Church was a Jewish conspiracy.
Well, it is legitimate to ask and investigate why, by what mechanism, the first Bolshevik regime was roughly 80-85% composed of Jews. Had it been 80-85% Tatar, Bashkir or Nenets it would also have been a legitimate question to investigate. And concealing or obfuscating this fact is plain wrong.
the Bolshevik persecution of the Orthodox Church was a Jewish conspiracy
If by “Jewish conspiracy” you mean “a conspiracy of Jews” then this is true. But if you mean “a conspiracy of all/most Jews”, then this is incorrect. Just as it would be wrong to say that most Jews were Bolsheviks because most Bolsheviks were Jews. These are non-commutative propositions.
This is an odd way of treating Jewish people like any other.
Well, your “odd” is my “fair”. I don’t owe anybody – including Jews – any specific deference, nor do I have any reason to obfuscate the role of Jews in the Ukraine today, in Russia in the 1990s or in the Bolshevik atrocities. Believe it or not, I care much more about the victims than about the ruffled feathers of the descendants of their executioners.
Saker,
“Believe it or not, I care much more about the victims than about the ruffled feathers of the descendants of their executioners.”
*Let’s make it easy on ourselves. Look at what the Jews have done in their own name.
The Zionist colonialist insistence on occupying the land of the Palestinian people, is a crime against Humanity, (which the overwhelming majority of the world’s Jews support).
Whenever the Palestinians attempt to hold on to their property, they are labeled “Terrorists.” Those who expose this hypocrisy lose their jobs, or livelihoods (and not their lives, if they are lucky). Dieudonné, writers, historians, all who oppose the land Thieves are made to suffer. A French citizen can harshly and disrespectfully criticize any religion, other than the Jewish.
The Zionist/Jewish occupiers of Palestine:
1. supported the Apartheid State in South Africa,
2. supported the American genocidal war against Vietnam.
3. supported the American extermination of 1 million Indonesians in 1965.
4. supported the American wars against Iraq.
5. It’s late, you finish this list – it is quite long………………..
The educational institutions, informational institutions (such as Hollywood and all other medias), and most of the World’s Nations, are controlled by wealthy imperialist, and quite terrorist Jews.
The American Government is owned, and controlled by Zionist/Jewish Oligarchs, such as the extended Rothschild family. Its political leaders, and Congressional leadership are heavily Jewish, and gave their President, Netenyahoo, many standing ovations. There are books that detail this domination. Just Google.
**Not all Jews are evil. My mother was quite decent. Conversely, I cannot vouch for the portion of my family who reside in occupied Palestine.
My dad was Belgian (Protestant/Catholic), and he had a blind spot toward his nation’s atrocities in the Congo; however, I cannot accuse the Belgian people, or any of their Oligarchs, of attempting to conquer the planet.
Voltaire wrote: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”
For the Democratic Republics, and the one we will restore in America!
Rockefeller sure has a good PR team I will tell ya that much.
RR
“a nauseous mix of Nazis and Jews” definitely implies a distaste for jews. I mean for christ’s sake, there are Jews of all stripes: Zionist Jews have adopted a neo-fascistic outlook, and sure there are Jews who hold powerful positions in finance but there are also millions of Jews who lead more-or-less ordinary lives and run the gamut of political affiliations.
I think Mr. Saker you should know that quite a lot of people with openly anti-semitic views frequent your site and comment as well. If nothing else you are tossing to them, quite irresponsibly, a big juicy bone. Remember, once you make any ethnic group collectively guilty for historic crimes committed by some members, then you are passing right back over into a neo-fascistic outlook yourself, regardless of which ethnic group you single out.
Of course, I defend unconditionally the deposing of the Tsar by Lenin and his right-hand man Leon Trotsky. It’s the zionists who have committed the greatest crimes against humanity but they do not speak for all Jews any more than Nazis represented the views of all Germans.
The ‘antisemitism’ tactic has worked so well for the Jews, making ANY criticism of ANY action by ANY Jew ANYWHERE, impermissible, even when that action, if performed by non-Jews would be universally condemned, that you can be sure it will never be surrendered. It de facto raises Jews to the status of perfection, a group that, uniquely, never commits any crimes, misdemeanours or even mistakes. You see it in the Western MSM brainwashing machine every single day. Criticism of Israel’s barbarous mistreatment of the Palestinians, the regular bloody child-murdering massacres inflicted on the Gaza concentration camp. the overweening influence of Jewish Lobbies in the West, the hysterical groveling of the entire US Congress whenever they are addressed by Netan-yahoo, the leading role of Jews in the Islamophobia industry, etc, etc, are all, if not utterly suppressed, instantly attacked, often hysterically, as ‘antisemitism’, ie mere bigotry based on nothing but an ancient and irrational hatred of all Jews, based on envy.
But, as Saker observed, Jews are like every other group. They are not universally daemons or all angels. Some amongst them are daemons, alright, the Israeli elite a perfect example, but others are, of course, angels, and most are somewhere in between. How could it be otherwise-they are just humans like the rest of us, despite the religious lunacy of some orthodox and other fundamentalists that they represent a higher form of existence than mere goyim.
The ‘antisemitism’ racket has been used ruthlessly to suppress numerous facts. The utter barbarity of Israel, its ruthless and relentless aggression against its neighbours, its close collaboration with numerous evil regimes, from apartheid South Africa, the death-squad states of Central America, to the brutal oppression inflicted on the Kashmiris, the controlling influence of the Jewish Fifth Column in the USA (where the control is absolute)and the West and Israel’s leading role in gangster activities like human organ, blood diamonds, arms and sex trafficking.
This near unique status as being beyond criticism, even the most mild, for any action, has had the obvious effect on Israeli and Diaspora elites. They believe themselves invulnerable, able to do ANYTHING whatsoever that they choose, no matter how vile, and no-one will dare criticise them, and clearly, over recent decades as their power and demands have grown, so too has their audacity and arrogance. In the USA the First Amendment is being shredded to criminalise the BDS movement and criticism of Israel as ‘antisemitism’. The stooge US ‘Government’ is leaning on countries to ban BDS in their own societies. The USA backs EVERY Israeli action, no matter how vile, unquestioningly. US Academia is being purged of pro-Palestinian voices. And the Israelis, with practised chutzpah, not only DEMAND a blind eye be turned to their crimes, but that we all adhere to the myth of Israeli ‘morality’, an inversion of reality worthy of Big Brother’s Ministry of Truth.
Judeophobia, the hatred of all Jews, no matter how fine they be as human beings, simply because they are Jews, is immoral and stupid. But the ‘antisemitism’ racket is another category altogether, an audacious assertion of supremacism by a group that sees itself as set above the rest of the human rabble. It ought, in my opinion, be opposed with every effort.
I agree with you Mulga, to which you should have added the Jewish influence in the film industry and porn.
Also, that PNAC is a neocon doctrine, made up of jews, and of course, NON-Jews, and wolfowitz, one of the jewish ones, ‘”Maintaining a One-Superpower World” According to a draft document being circulated by the Pentagon, part of the American military mission in the era after the cold war will by [sic] “convincing potential competitions [sic, should be competititors?] that they need not aspire to a greater role,” thus insuring that no rival superpower is allowed to emerge i.e. Russia, and ‘in the event of a resurgent threat from Russia, “we should plan to defend against such a threat” farther forward on the territories of Eastern Europe “should there be an Alliance decision to do so.”
This statement offers an explicit commitment to defend the former Warsaw Pact nations from Russia. It suggests that the United States could also consider extending to Eastern and Central European nations security commitments similar to those extended to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Arab states along the Persian Gulf. And to help stabilize the economies and democratic development in Eastern Europe, the draft calls on the European Community to offer memberships to Eastern European countries as soon as possible.’ Etc.
I forgot to add the source:
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/08/world/us-strategy-plan-calls-for-insuring-no-rivals-develop.html
“Judeophobia, the hatred of all Jews”
Please don’t fall for zionist PC propaganda: phobia means fear of something, not hatred of.
xxx-phobia are other overabused syntagma, deliberately misused as painting someone negatively.
Thank you for your – rather pointless – clarification, AEM.
I readily make the distinction between Zionist Jews (and Zionist ‘Christians’ ) where applicable.
In the case of Israel (which does not deserve state status because it will not stay within legal borders, but continues illegal land theft and expansion) I make no such distinction: it is a Jewish theocracy from inception to current policy, which justifies its pan-racism to the ‘goy’ – black, brown, white or yellow – on the basis of the Zionist cult.
It does not extend the – utterly bogus – ‘right of return’ to non-Jews does it?
As I never made the conflation you accuse me of I have to wonder what the agenda is.
eimar
Er…and thank you for reading the clarification, before continuing as if you hadn’t… Two further points: if most Jews are not Zionists, as I think you said, why persist in accepting the Zionist practice of calling Israel the Jewish state and conflating “Jewish” with “Zionist”; and I think you’ll find that the Jewish National Home was not a “Jewish theocracy” from inception. You really should try to avoid doing the Zionists’ work for them. Make them work a bit harder to establish their false narrative. (You might also be making it more difficult for Jew-haters.)
I would argue that today most Jews do believe in zionism. It depends on the degree of support of course. But the majority would consider themselves in someway zionist. The same was true of nazi Germany at the time. Most Germans supported the nazi regime (in various degree’s as well),not in all of its aspects of course. But still most scholars accept that if there had been free elections in say 1937-38,the nazis would have won them. Its human nature that (unless taught differently) most people will accept the propaganda they are fed. Whether of being a “chosen people”, or being a “master race”, or as with the US today, of being “exceptional”. Those among the minority of Jews opposed to zionism are demonized as “self-hating Jews” and traitors. It takes a strong person to fight against the “peer pressure” used against those people. I’ve always had boundless respect for the minority of Jews that have rejected the zionist evil. Those people morally save the Jewish soul.
This elevation of the Jew to untouchable status is powerful, effective – and a setup for them. When Fascism comes to America (no we aren’t there yet) it will include a rebellion against our Jewish Overlords which will contribute to the illusion of a real revolution while leaving the billionaire class intact. America’s Jews will be tossed to the blood-crazed mob as a sacrifice.
As was the case in Nazi Germany, the purge will no doubt start with the least powerful and most resolutely anti-Zionist Jews but will spare the richest and most powerful, who will slip away to Switzerland for a few years.
Excellent post. I would 100% agree with you.
“BDS?”
Maybe you’re unaware that the semitic people are a much larger group than the ancient jews, and their sephardic descendants. Current majority inhabitants of occupied Palestine, and also minoritary in many other countries around the world, are mostly ashkenazi (claimed as descendants of the khazars), are not descendants of Sem, having adopted the mosaic religion, and much later the hebrew language (see idish), and calling themselves “jews”. To call any critique of that group as “anti-semitism” is at least erroneous, if not deliberate disinformation. That syntagm was coined in the 19th century, and since then enthusiastically adopted by zionists, to silence any opponents by branding them “antisemites”.
Much of the attitude of jews towards other people can be attributed to their religious indoctrination: being part of god’s chosen people, in contrast to the goyim, which in the Talmud are considered like animals.
The nazi “Herrenrasse” concept is not much different, so there is nothing new in the “nauseous” cohabitation in modern Ukraine. Hitler’s rise to power, and later the build-up of the german military might was also heavily financed by jewish bankers, especially from across the pond. War is a very lucrative business.
@pluribus – you said. “Of course, I defend unconditionally the deposing of the Tsar by Lenin and his right-hand man Leon Trotsky.”
Are you such a dupe, or is there so much murder and ambition in your heart? You denounced the Zionists, but if you’re a Jewish Bolshevik, that doesn’t speak well for your Jewishness, does it?
Ploribus,
How many times will I have to correct the most basic errors that involve the misuse of language?
An “anti-semite” is someone who expresses racist feelings against the peoples of the Middle East, and specifically, against Arabs. Arabs are (overwhelmingly-99%) Semites, that is Semitic peoples.
Jews, are mostly, of European origin. They, as with my family, German Jews, (and sporting much Blond hair and Blue eyes), are not Semites. My relatives who reside in Occupied Palestine, and the remainder, who reside in Queens, NYC, and Nassau, NYS, are not Semites. I do not like most of them, and, therefore, you may call me anti-Jew, or just anti-my relatives, but I am –not anti-Semitic. I like Arabs.
Entiendes?
I have been told that not quite half (that is less than 50%) of all Jews occupying Palestinian space, are Semites.
If you do not like Jews because of racial or religious reasons, you might be anti-semitic, but more likely you just do not like Jews. If you do not like me, you might be anti-Jew, or you just do not like me. Maybe you do not like anarchists.
*The Key Point is:
The Anti-Semites – are, overwhelmingly, Zionist Jews. Let me repeat this in different order. Zionist Jews are Racist Anti-Semites, and they should be soundly condemned for this. It is what they do. They are Land Thieves (and should be arrested).
Or:
Darn! My mistake! Jews are the chosen and exceptional people. They may not be criticized for anything. They make no mistakes.
As Dieudonné explained it in one of his skits, “They suffered.”
But so have the Chinese, Palestinians, Russians, Serbs, Armenians, Indonesians, Vietnamese, Africans, Native Americans, and a thousand other peoples and religions. And no ethic group has suffered worse, after 1900, than the Serbs, followed by the Russians, and the Chinese.
But I have digressed.
Just be careful of how you misuse the description “Anti-semitic.”
Also, watch out when you mention Lev Davidovich Bronstein-Trotsky. You can get in a lot of trouble for that.
You need to check history if you think Lenin and Trotsky had anything to do with some fictional “overthrowing” the Tsar of Russia. Tsar Nicholas II abdicated from office in March, 1917 (like Nixon resigned as President in 1974, a peaceful process). Then there were free elections in Russian in April 1917 (still wartime, but normal elections). Lenin and Trotsky were OUTSIDE the country all this time, Lenin in Switzerland and Trotsky in the United States. Then they and thousands of other criminal Bolsheviks streamed into Russia and overthrew the ELECTED government in October 1917. Just a point of clarification to counter the propaganda.
Not the “overthrowing” (he was pressured to abdicate earlier). But they are up to their eyeballs in his and his family’s murder afterwards.Not sure on Trotsky personally. But there is little doubt on Lenin. Some believe it was part due to revenge for Lenin’s brother’s execution years before by the Tsarist government.
“a nauseous mix of Nazis and Jews” definitely implies a distaste for jews
Not at all. It implies a distaste for the mix.
Syntax —
“It implies a distaste for the mix.”
But only after it is explained. If your explanation is accurate, then it must follow that you wrote a sentence that invited misapperception, and which is guaranteed to be misunderstood by nearly everyone who reads it.
It’s even more troublesome than your term “Anglozionist,” which requires a lengthy, tangled explanation which most readers will never see, and which therefor is guaranteed to be misunderstood by most of those who see it.
Both are circumstances which could have been avoided by a little more attention to the wording; proper syntax can make all the difference in the world as to whether you are understood in the way that you want to be understood, or not.
Saker
That Jews should ally themselves to Ukrainian fascists or Banderites is indeed distasteful or nauseous. This is the only instance where you have actually explained what is about their being Jewish has to do with the behaviour you deplore. Thank you.
I would be interested where you get the “fact” that 8 in 10 Bolsheviks were Jewish. (I put it in scare quotes until a credible source is provided, and not a dodgy list off the internet). Assume it is true, you then have to give some analysis of why it should be, and what it has to do with Jews elsewhere, that makes it about Jews rather than Russian Jews or Jews from the Pale or Russians who were persecuted simply because they were Jewish and chose to resist their oppressors by joining a a revolutionary movement.
You have said before that the persecution of the Orthodox was a Jewish genocidal assault. You never explain why Jewish, and not (at least) Russian Jewish, and not simply Bolshevik. Commutative or not, you rely extremely heavily on your claim that 8 in 10 Bolsheviks were Jewish and that their Jewishness is the key (presumably not just their ethnicity but something in their ideology that is specifically Jewish). To repeat, if you acknowledge the fact that most Jews were not Bolsheviks, you have to explain why the Jewishness of the Bolsheviks is relevant to explaining their behaviour. Again, to repeat, there are historical explanations why some Jews would join the Bolsheviks, and it has to do with the persecution of Jews in the Russian Empire. None of this justifies your blithe use of the term “Jews” instead of anything more specific and informative. It seems to allow you to say that Jews attempted genocide, that Jews are wrecking Ukraine, and that Jews wrecked Russia (I don’t recall offhand if you are one those here who says that Jews are masters of the world financial system). You never ever say what it is about their Jewishness is relevant. This at least has the effect of attracting a swarm of Jew-haters to your site. And they are fairly nauseous, are they not?
We can agree it is better to care for victims than perpetrators.
I would be interested where you get the “fact” that 8 in 10 Bolsheviks were Jewish.
Read this: /putin-and-israel-a-complex-and-multi-layered-relationship/ and see that even Putin said that, officially. Besides, anybody who has studied the history of the 1917 Revolution knows that. It is only ‘crimethink’ in the West…
I’m sorry, but I’ve read your piece (and I’m surprised you think it a credible reference, unless your referring me to Sozhenitsyn’s book). And I’ve read the comments attached to it, including a long comment that refers to historians who don’t share your opinions. It is simply false that “anybody who has studied the history of 1917” knows that 8 in 10 Bolsheviks were Jews (even if it were to be the case that Putin officially announced it!). And still no attempt to address the question: if most Jews were not Bolshevik, as we agree, then what is the point in calling Bolshevism “Jewish”, rather than something more specific and explanatory, as suggested (not just by me)? You appear to prefer to dismiss those who ask such questions as time-wasters or apologists for Zionism or whatever (in some instances to be dealt with by the less attractive element of the “community”). This is not how an honest exchange of views should be conducted. Credibility begins to crumble. Which would be a great shame given the unique value of your analysis on other topics
But, Ewan, you always prove my point about Jewish Exceptionalism whenever you pop up here to comment. The other commenters here do not seem, to me,to be simple ‘Jew-haters’ or Judeophobes. They mostly criticise certain actions by the Jews, either the small leading cabals that control Western politics, MSM, entertainment and finance, the Israeli terror, racist, apartheid State’s leading lights in politics, intelligence and the military or the majority in the Diaspora and Israeli society that plainly support any Jewish or Israeli action, no matter what.
This is plainly the same sort of critique as condemning ‘Americans’ for the evil actions of the US Exceptionalist Reich. The real villains are the controlling elites, lesser types the idiot supporters of any US crime and tens of millions are either neutral, itself not morally admirable but not actively malignant, or active opponents of US state crime.
The unfortunate fact is that, owing to the nature of the Judaic religion, which sets the Jews apart from and in opposition to non-Jews, and condones a differential morality between Jews and non-Jews, the Jews are always bound to cause their own travails and have done so regularly over three thousand years. Despite living in peace with non-Jews in many places, often for centuries, mostly when a strong state tolerated Jewish presence while repressing exploitative behaviour, the Jews over and over again provoked hatred through their actions, mostly as money-lenders and the like. Of course at other times it was the evil behaviour of non-Jews, either wishing to steal Jewish wealth or as a result of ‘Christian’ Judeophobia that was the cause of trouble, but the myth of eternal Jewish innocence and victimhood is, indeed, a self-serving canard.
Today we have a situation were the ‘antisemitism’ Moloch make criticism of any Jew for any behaviour absolutely impermissible, a unique status for Jews. It has raised the Nazi Judeocide to the status of a state pseudo-religion in the West, rendering all other human suffering over the ages inconsequential in comparison to the ‘unique’ suffering of the Jews. In other words it has made the Judaic claim to a unique status above the rest of humanity Western state doctrine, and any critique of this status is met by hysterical abuse and a denunciation as a ‘Holocaust denier’.
When this lofty status as de facto a ‘Chosen People’ is added to the quite open Jewish control of Western politics, MSM, finance etc, and the ludicrous but fevered denial of these facts, you do indeed feed the flames of real Judeophobia. Unfortunately for the hardcore Judaic Supremacists this development is welcome, because it mirrors and reinforces their antigoyism, the core of Judaic belief and the true ‘oldest hatred’. Hence the Israeli state grows ever more fascistic, theocratically fundamentalist and viciously racist, and the one development that would restore Jewry’s good name, the ceasing to suppress and brutalise the imprisoned Palestinians is rejected with contempt, and genocide or expulsion increasingly preached instead. In other words the plague of Judeophobia is being assiduously cultivated and fertilised by the worst amongst the Jews, but this simple and unassailable truth dare not be spioken because it iis plainly ‘antisemitic’.
Molodetc – Saker :-))
Got to agree with AEM. Using the term “Jews” becomes meaningless when you consider there are Jews of all political stripes. Your comment does have a distinctly hateful tone that many readers *none of whom are Zionist apologists* are taking issue with. Especially considering the number of openly anti-semitic posters on your site, you should know that if nothing else you are tossing them a big juicy bone to chew on. This is not about “any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic”, it’s about lumping all Jews together and when what you are really talking about is twisted politicians or oligarchs who happen to be Jewish. To make all other Jews guilty by association and therefore collectively guilty is itself fascistic. And long live Leon Trotsky!!
Especially considering the number of openly anti-semitic posters on your site, you should know that if nothing else you are tossing them a big juicy bone to chew on
anti-Semites have the right to their opinion as much as anti-anti-Semites. nobody is forced to love anybody, that is a personal choice. What I do ban here is racism and racist remarks, but I do not enforce a “must love Jews” rule. There is a big difference here. As far as I am concerned, anybody is welcome to like or dislike them as long as the argument used to criticize them is not racist.
Please read this: /moderation-policy/ (especially para 4) and this:
/terminology/
As for Trotsky, he was, in my opinion, the worst genocidal hater of everything Russian in human history. He was also an open defender of terror, as long as that terror was “red” and not “white”, and I think that one of the few good things Stalin did was rid Russia of the genocidal Trotskysts who almost succeeded in completely destroying Russia as a culture, nation and geographical entity.
When I see what the Neocons (all former Trotskysts) have done to the USA I feel sorry that Stalin did not get them all.
Cheers,
The Saker
“Trotsky, he was, in my opinion, the worst genocidal hater of everything Russian in human history. He was also an open defender of terror, as long as that terror was “red” and not “white””
I have to interject here.. Trotsky did not hate Russian culture,but he did see the glorification of “Great Russian” nationalism as backwards and antithetical to the principal of internationalism. He sought the destruction of the ancient Romanov dynasty and the backwards state of social relations. He also (along with Lenin, and unlike the royal family) wanted to prevent any more Russians from being sent into the meat-grinder of WWI fighting against their German class brothers. Also he may have approved of state terror (political assassinations) but he saw the cause of world revolution as a life-or-death struggle.
Or course, if this blog is oriented towards Russian nationalism or some nostalgia for the brutal serf system implemented under the Czar then it is easy to understand all of the animosity directed at Trotsky.
In any case Saker, I, and many other people, visit your site for the insight you sometimes offer into the regional geo-political dimensions and minutiae of the ongoing Ukraine and Syria crisis. I don’t expect to change your political sympathies or historical perspective. I would just caution against casually lumping “Jews” in with Nazis when describing “nauseous” political combinations unless you are content to fuel the flames of anti-semitism.
Others who dispute whether or not Trotsky and Lenin were at the helm of the February Revolution would do well to remember that the reason it wasn’t a total bloodbath is that the lion’s share of garrisons in the capital and elsewhere had already gone over to the Bolsheviks, who promised land, peace, and bread.
I’m applauding as I type this (it is possible to clap one’s hands & type simultaneously) for an excellent line of Bolshevist Bulls**t propaganda, a defense of Trotsky & his oh so human internationalism that was motivated by his love of working class brothers everywhere. I am actually crying right now, but not because I’m moved by this pro-Trotskyte Bulls**t but by the fact that it gives me a good laugh, & I love a good laugh. Listen here my Bolshevist friend, sane people in this world know that Lenin & Trosky’s regard for humanity, the working class was – ZERO. Their regard for the Russia that their financial backers in the West sent them to destroy, was less than – ZERO. Tsarist Russia under the Romanov dynasty was so awful, such a terrible place, that the entire Western ruling class – call it bourgoisie if you like my Boslhevist friend – wanted to destroy that Tsarist Russia, was intent on destroying that Tsarist Russia, & made every attempt to do so, including sending their agents Lenin & Trotsky immediately prior to Russia declaring victory in WW1 & liberating Constantinople. Kind of like NATO today. You must love NATO, I bet it arouses you just to read those letters N-A-T-O. Excited friend?
@ AEM
The Saker is right. What is nauseous here is the appallingly incongruous mix – Nazis and Jews in one “government”!
A quick analogy for you would be, a Third Reich cabinet in 1943, evenly represented by Nazis and Jews – at the same time when a holocaust was taking place. Yes, too bizarre to imagine even in a nightmare.
But here, in 2016 Kiev – you actually have that nightmare come true – that is the reality! The progeny of no less than Stepan Bandera ( /nazi-ukrofreaks-celebrate-the-birthday-of-stepan-bandera/ ) happily together with Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko, Nuland et al., holocausting Russians in Odessa, Novorussia… If you don’t find that nauseous…
exactly!
but I get the feeling that what we are dealing with here is yet another person suspecting me of “anti-Semitic overtones”….
but then, I have recently also been accused of being
1) pro-Israeli (for my article about the complex relationship between Russia and Israel)
2) anti-Muslim (for posting Noureddin Shami’s article on Islamic fundamentalism)
3) a Putin propagandists (for finding excuses for Russian polices in Syria and the Ukraine)
4) being anti-Russian (for being too pessimistic about the Russian intervention in Syria)
So, frankly, one more or one less accusation really makes no difference to me at this point :-)
Vladimir Putin voted Jerusalem post’s person of the year
If its good for Putin, its good for Saker…
https://t.co/OH16olrhbI
Happy New Year Saker for you and your loved ones. Thanks for giving me hope in humanity, thats what your blog and its many wonderful followers have provided to me.
Re : jews and nazis , hear it from prof Leibowitz :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM2fXTkjU2E
Stay healthy.
Hans
thanks!!
Same to you :-)
Petar
Yes, I see the Saker’s explanation. We can put it down to verbal infelicity, I suppose, rather than a habit of mind. Politicians and plutocrats who are Jewish allying themselves with Banderistas is indeed nauseous. It still seems an odd way to summarise the situation. Did the Empire really go out to recruit Jews specifically or did it go out to recruit politicians and plutocrats? Even supposing Israel played a clandestine (and not so clandestine) role, the relevant fact is that the plutocrats were Zionist and therefore more willing to help Israel. A bit odd the Saker should focus on the moral aesthetics of it, rather than the mechanics.
Did the Empire really go out to recruit Jews specifically or did it go out to recruit politicians and plutocrats?
The latter, of course. Again, let me be clear: I do not, in ANY way, blame Jews (or any other ethnic group) for what happened in the Ukraine (or anywhere else). But I do think that it is appropriate to mention it when any specific group is over-represented in some shameful activity or event. For example, I believe that the Russian nobility bears the number one responsibility for the collapse of the Russian empire even though by my mother I come from that nobility (my father is 100% proletarian!). The fact is that if you look at the key figures who conspired to overthrow the Russian monarchy, the vast majority of them were Russian noblemen. Jews, by they way, did not overthrow the Russian monarch, they overthrew the plutocratic-masonic democratic regime of Kerensky. But then, yes, the first Bolshevik regime was 80% composed of Jews, the figure was even hire in the ChK-GPU.
When any group is over represented in something shameful and ugly, it should accept that this fact be made known and be openly spoken about, because if not they are becoming the accomplices after the fact by what is a cover up.
As a Russian, I am aware of the many ugly things my own people (as class or as nation) have done in the past, just like as an Orthodox Christian I am aware of the fact that Orthodox Christians have also done ugly things. I refuse to cover up for these facts or act like some national-Bolsheviks who know say that everything Russians ever did was perfect and saintly. To me this is a disgrace because by defending the evils of the past it makes one an moral accomplice. But this also goes for Jews. They, like any other group, have done many ugly things in their history, especially since their religion has always advocated viciously anti-Christian ideas which were then acted upon. Zionist racism did not just spring out of nothing, it comes directly out of the Talmud. If you doubt that, read Shahak or Hoffman or any other good scholar who analyzed the role of Judaic exceptionalism. Or do you think that the so-called ‘anti-Semitism” is just some kind of mysterious mental disease that happens to goys with no cause or reason?
We live in a world which, following the horrors of WWII, has made any criticism of Jews or Judaism a form of crimethink. I reject that, especially since I see compelling similarities between Zionism and National-Socialism (both of which are the product of European nationalism).
This might bother many people, but I shall not allow anybody to dictate to me what I say, what words I use, which historical events I discuss or whose ideology I criticize.
So yes, I do treat Jews just like any other group and it is not my main concern to not hurt their feelings or ruffle their feathers.
If you find any of that “odd” – write your own blog. But don’t come and tell me what I ought to do here.
The Saker
Saker – too bad your brilliant rejoinder is stuck in the middle of a thread.
It’s your ‘Gettysburg Address’!! :)
I couldn’t agree more with that post.
Saker, I don’t know where you are getting your facts (apart from the fact Putin said it) when you state that 80% of the Bolsheviks were Jews. This from Wikipedia, which accords with what I have established from other sources over a long period: “On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 23,000 members, of whom 364 were known to be ethnic Jews.[15] According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total.[21] Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish Bolshevik party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Kamenev was of mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage.[21][22] Trotsky was also a member (or “Narkom”) of the ruling Council of People’s Commissars. Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, five were Jewish.[21]
With regards to Jewish representation in the ruling Politburo, it waned rapidly starting in 1918. It began with the assassination of Uritsky in August 1918. Then Sverdlov died of disease in March 1919 and Sokolnikov was shunted aside. Three years later in 1922, Jewish members in the Central Committee, the Politburo’s new name, had shrunk to a minority of three: Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev. Eventually they were physically eliminated by Joseph Stalin: Zinoviev and Kamenev in 1936 and Trotsky in 1940.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
In the early period of the twentieth century communist and socialist parties grew all over Europe and even in the U.S. The movement was a direct response to the generally appalling way that workers were treated by capitalists. That a communist revolution turned out to be an impossible dream to realise does not mean that the leaders of the Bolshevik party were not sincere in their beliefs. Lenin is arguably Marxism’s greatest theorist apart from Marx himself. Jewish people had a long history of radicalism throughout Europe before the Russian revolution and one of the terrible consequences of Zionism is that radical Jews have lost the power and the influence that they once had. Having been almost continuously persecuted in the period before the revolution it is hardly surprising that they might seek to change society and be drawn to revolutionary ideologies.
@mingulay: Very good points, BIG thanks!
Honestly, jewish or not jewish: I cannot hear it anymore.
Who are we?? SS-youth Bandera style?
Yes – Zionists are mass-murderers. Gaza or Donbass, Iraq or Vietnam, you name it!
And Bolshevism was planned by them as a big fraud/lie.
But thanks to – among many others – Lenin (oh, 0.25% jewish blood, how bad) and Stalin (german agent? Had a good laugh) it came *differently* and NOT as planned by Trotskyists!
I posted all links already 100 times and it appears some readers are lern-restistant.
So this time as an exception I won’t repeat them.
Not every Jew is a Zionist (only a small fraction is) and at the same time there are many more non-jewish Zionists (following orders or simply propaganda) than jewish ones.
Having said that: I’m not defending jews.
I don’t care about blood or religion.
Although: I even do care that much about it that I can say: I do not like the Zionist caused migration wave to old-Europe. I don’t like to be taken over by Jews or Muslims, rather I would see myself as Orthodox Christian Communist and go into a monastery for a year!
But let’s finally stop this BS to condemn good ideas or ideologies only because they were or wore’nt first envisioned, invented, implemented, financed, pushed or not by “Jews”.
It’s really the wrong movie here.
Why won’t we join the RightSector then …?
Hang the bankers, hang the Oligarchs, put real Nazis into a work-camp where they can use their forces for a good purpose, get rid of SaudiArabia and Bahrein (also Jews??? No, but 100% Zionists – yes!).
Then let’s nationalise Money, banking, industry (except small biz’s/shops), create the EurasianUnion with Communism and Orthodox Church.
If some muslims want to stay muslims – let them (I would rather prefer to abandon religion alltogether, but if that’s not wanted, then you must also leave the Muslims believe what they want [there we have the next problems …]).
What’s wrong with that?????
And how much does it affect the validity of such ideas or the potential outcome, if these ides were first born in some Khazar (most of the so called Jews are in fact not even jewish genetically, if you really want to see it as a “race”) blooded head or not??
What else shall I write?
It disappoints me big time to see such pathetic pollution day in day out (such discussions).
And we won’t get rid of Zionists this way. It rather fits their Antisemitism agenda and strengthens them :(
@ The Saker
You are right.
One sees a considerable amount of misinformation disseminated in some posts, sometimes due to sheer ignorance (or else quite deliberate, obviously by “sayanim”, hard at work as ever), concerning the true role Jews played in USSR.
However, this entire issue can be easily clarified by everyone reading the seminal two volume study on the topic by Nobel laureate Alexander Solzhenitsyn, 200 Years Together, published in Russian in 2001/2.
While the book was fully translated into both German and French and published immediately following its Russian 2001/2 publication, it has never found an English language publisher.
However, most of its chapters (18 out of 27 – the most interesting ones – including the entire Volume 2, titled “During Soviet Period”) were translated into English in the 2008-2010 interval, links to them placed on the web … and then taken down (yes, you guessed by who…)!…
Nevertheless, it is hard to hide the truth – and all those chapters in English survived, thanks to efforts of many good people, and one can now read and download them freely. Here are a couple of links:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/200_Years_Together
http://www.mediafire.com/download/q7znvoozoucw9oq/Aleksandr+Solzhenitsyn+-+200+Years+Together.pdf
etc.
Finally, one can get the entire book in Russian:
http://bookz.ru/authors/soljenicin-aleksandr/dvesti-l_687.html [Volume 1]
http://bookz.ru/authors/soljenicin-aleksandr/dvesti-l_021.html [Volume 2]
http://www.russia-talk.org/cd-history/200-let/ [both volumes]
@Petar and @Serbian Girl and @ all Soviet Union Haters
Christianity was also derived from the Jewish religion, the Testament is jewish, Jesus was a Jew.
As for Solzhenitsyn: There are many books around.
Some tell the story that Stalin wanted to attack and annex all of Europe down to Portugal. And that this is why Hitler attacked “first” to rescue Europe (Hitler said this himself in September 1941 in a very nice speech, unfortunately too nice-sounding trustworthy-sounding comradely spoken to be true, what a pathetic LIAR and MURDERER he was!)
Had it been true, the Red Army could have attacked instantly, rather than almost losing Moscow and Stalingrad, and without having to sacrifice Leningrad for 3 years of horrendous bloody blockade.
Then again there are other books which tell you all the details about aliens, yet other about Star wars.
You like many here base your entire world-view on such single unverifiable source??
O a single book?
Did you ever consider it could be a Zionist set TRAP to catch you?
They are afraid of true Communism like the Vampires are afraid of the cross.
Does it make sense that Communism (as it really existed post 1930ties, tnx to comrade Stalin) is “Zionist”???
What about my humble idea: What if the Zionists themselves brought this “secret” book into circulation to “discredit” communism.
The RightSector Freaks in Ukropistan are like many here very big admirers of this book.
The Zionists invented such smart games all the time. Unfortunately few are bright enough to look through this. Or at least to consider such a possibility.
With this omnipresent hate against the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, whatever interpretation of Communism – how is this community different from Kiev then???
Very saddening.
Well: Go to your (Jewish!) Orthodox Christianity, a Monarchy with zionist banks and what you want.
Is it better then?
I feel less and less at home among such co-commenters, which appear to be the majority here :-(
Hang in there Martin – there are different views here and everyone is learning. Don’t take things personally and you can help enlighten others too.
Dear Martin,
you are on to something:
“Christianity was also derived from the Jewish religion, the Testament is jewish, Jesus was a Jew.”
How true.
And so were Karl Marx, Leon Bronshtein (“Trotsky”:)), > 99% of the “neocons” (all “former” followers of “Trotsky” to the hilt) and > 99% of the Zionists…
Dear AEM… Why you do not ask intellectual/renascence head of DEMOCRAT PARTY Mr. BIDEN or head of LIKUD why is OK to have in Ukr. gov. ppl of Jewish faith and outright Bandera type of ppl ??You should spent more time to read Saker articles….
Petar, it looks to me like the hasbaranauts are setting out to duscredit Saker as an ‘antisemite’. It is their favourite tactic, and in the West it ALWAYS works. I myself, as a result of criticising the Holocaust Industry that raises Jewish suffering under the Nazis to a unique status above all the other suffering inflicted on all the goyim throughout history, have been libeled as a ‘Holocaust denier’, which is, of course, untrue. My insignificance being protection, I have not suffered the waves of abuse and vilification that these creatures are such experts at launching, but the signs look like they have this site in their cross-hairs, Saker plainly criticised the ‘mix’ not ”the Jews’, but active and malicious misrepresentation is a favourite tactic of theirs.
All the confusion stems from the “Nazi” label and all associated notions, applied on the “Banderites”. It was repeatedly reminded, even on that post, that Bandera and lots of “Banderites” did not “staff” but have been interned in German concentration camps, for nearly the whole duration of the War, for anti-German activities! That the OUN which remained free and formed ‘The Ukrainian Insurgent Army (Ukrainian: Українська Повстанська Армія, УПА, Ukrayins’ka Povstans’ka Armiya, UPA)’ and engaged in a series of guerrilla conflicts during World War II against Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and both Underground and Communist Poland, was not involved in any “anti-Jewish massacre”. On the contrary “there were cases of Jewish participation within the ranks of UPA, some of whom held high positions. According to journalist and former fighter Leo Heiman, some Jews fought for UPA, and others included medical personal. These included Dr. Margosh, who headed UPA-West’s medical service, Dr. Marksymovich, who was the Chief Physician of the UPA’s officer school, and Dr. Abraham Kum, the director of an underground hospital in the Carpathians. The latter individual was the recipient of the UPA’s Golden Cross of Merit. Some Jews who fled the ghettos for the forests were killed by members of the UPA….(Later on) Soviet propaganda complained about Zionist membership in UPA and during the period of persecution of Jews in the early 1950s described the alleged connection between Jewish and Ukrainian nationalists”. These data are offered by the Wikipedia, known for always fudging the question of Jews. The Nurnberg Tribunal completely disregarded the UPA.
What is true is that the “Banderites” have been recruited wholesale by the OSS (and then CIA) to carry on the underground war against the Soviet Union. Soviet propaganda, as late as the 80s constantly complained that “the Ukrainian nationalists and Zionists, in their hatred of the Soviet Union . . . have become partners.”
So, it would be far better to recognize the Ukrainian Nationalists for what they are: Ukrainian Nationalists. Ukrainian Jews are Ukrainian patriots as well. They are close allies in their anti-Russian drive (whom they accuse of anti-semitism). “Ironically”(!) some are members of Pravy Sektor (and proud of it, like Borislav Bereza “the group’s spokesman”!).
“Rabbi Moshe Azman, a Chabad leader in Kiev, said that he does not see any particular problem with the group, while Dnepropetrovsk Chief Rabbi Shmuel Kaminezki told the Post that he sees the group as “neither anti-Semitic or Nazi” but rather as a patriotic Ukrainian organization.
“All those who support Ukraine consider them an ally. They have no Nazi symbols,” he said.” The Rabbi from Dnepropetrovsk (the “New Jerusalem”) said, not any Ukronazifreak.
The ‘Neo-Nazi’ clowns who torch march as Aryans, ‘Slavic’ Neo-Pagans, Uniates, all rabid anti-(Moscali) Orthodox, are a creation of the CIA as well (like all their tatooed shaved skulls counterparties in the West).
» So, it would be far better to recognize the Ukrainian Nationalists for what they are: Ukrainian Nationalists. «
Would be better indeed. This shrill “nazi” reinterpretation is purely propagandistic. People following this propaganda line conveniently disregard that all the shelling of Donbass was not done by nationalists (who don’t have the artillery), but by the regular Ukrainian Armed Forces.
What is the greater problem in the Ukraine – nationalism or venality? Well, I don’t know as I’ve never lived there.
Yes,lets not believe “our lying eyes” when we see all the fascist and nazi insignia those groups wear. Or a “nationalist” Rada MP singing songs praising Hitler. Or the nazi tats on so many of the “nationalists”. And them giving the nazi “salute” in countless videos and pictures. Of course they “aren’t” nazis. Why on earth would we think they were.
» fascist and nazi insignia … singing songs … tats … salutes «
So what? That is only propaganda. And this (not very smart) minority doesn’t rule the country.
I think you’re blinded if you perceive such propaganda action to be more harmful than shelling of Donbass by Ukrainian Armed Forces who have no such insignia, songs, tats or salutes.
Would you rather be hit by an unideological army shell or greeted by Slava Ukraini or whatever the nationalists’ slogan is?
The nazi mantra is intended to activate the lifelong stream of bovine propaganda in people’s minds at the expense of sober reasoning. Works great, over and over and over again.
Sure the nationalists are bad and it’s a big problem, but is it the main problem? Do insignia, songs, tats and slogans clarify the Ukrainian question? Maybe to you, but not to me.
@Lumi: Uncle Bob is right like most times.
You however should spend more time on yt maybe.
I’m really fed up with all these anti-comments here recently.
The facts look different.
@Lumi:
> Sure the nationalists are bad and it’s a big problem, but is it the main problem? Do insignia,
> songs, tats and slogans clarify the Ukrainian question? Maybe to you, but not to me.
YES, they do!
Why??
Because they were the virus that stayed alive in some underdeveloped empty sculls and some dusty bins like in a Pandora’s box.
All the things you rightfully described would not have happened without this virus (which is the point you ignore).
MUSTWATCH: Ukrainian nationalist desecrated and trampled the russian flag during the UPA march
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKKUFV0sZek
Ukraine: Thousands march in support of controversial nationalist hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8SGc0cZiag
More:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nazi+march+ukraine&page=1
I wonder why such things need to be explained to readers of Saker.
First they wear certain symbols, then they rape and murder women and children (2.5.2014++).
It is _all_ about symbolism before they feel heroic enough to commit such heroic deeds.
It started with wearing flags and symbols.
If that’s too hard to understand, go back in history and notice that it is always like that.
If you deny the effect of symbols go out tomorrow wearing a swastika.
If you live in Western Dniepr Ukraine it will most likeley have some effects, and in the rest of the world too, only a bit different. But no, don’t believe me or Uncle Bob. Talk about dogs, avalanches and about feeling good. I know I know: Facts are so boring …
What’s nauseous here is such feigned obtuseness, and then fake indignation. The unholy alliance between the Kaganites and the Banderites has been widely noted.
This was a reply to AEM. Now add pluribus, and Ewan.
i thought this article was about russian aviation in syria?
how quickly ‘people’ take a word out of context and dominate the thread.
i prefer lavrov’s definition.
“if it walks, talks and acts like a terrorist, then…..
if a german walks, talks and acts like a nazi, then…
nobody objects to that, because of the incessant
demonization of ”all germans”.
if a jew walks, talks and acts like a terrorist/nazi, then…..
everybody objects to that, because of the incessant
”anti-semite” label, promulgated by jews.
if a…. you get the idea. no?
how quickly ‘people’ take a word out of context and dominate the thread.
What? You did not know that Jews and Jewish related issues are The Most Important Thing In The Universe (TMITITU)?? That this topic is the measure of all things (including any article or analysis)? That the entire universe reverently revolves around this one single topic?
Shame! Shame on you!!! YOU ANTISEMITE!!!!!!!!!!
(just kidding)
Cheers,
The Saker
I know it is for the Saker to decide, but would he consider restricting the number of !! allowed, even when nailing down some particularly heavy duty piece of humour (he can of course continue with a very broad definition of what is to count as humour).
I agree with Ewan wholeheartedly.
Saker can you also limit your question marks to onle only? instead of ??
May be you need to attend English grammer school to polish up on your language a bit.
Can you also limit the use of word jew in your essays? It is really hurting feelings of a lot of sensitive people who are sincere followers of your blog or do we need to get a gagging order on you?
@ Trotsky
Can you remove the word “Trotsky” from your name “Trotsky”1? 2?
Ohhh, grammar, the most important issue before WW3 kills us all 1? 2?
I find this article in today’s UK’s Daily Telegraph very interesting – but what does it mean??
“RAF bomb raids in Syria dismissed as ‘non-event’
Since MPs voted for war over Syria RAF Tornados and Typhoons have mounted only three strike missions”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12078395/RAF-bomb-raids-in-Syria-dismissed-as-non-event.html
Tony
Everyone knows the British are in Syria with no permissions from the Syrian government.
The British public will not tolerate hearing any downing of RAF planes, and many are well aware of the British Establishment ‘s – CameRon is a puppet of their ongoing colonial projects – conniving with Israel, through the Rotschild connection.
Six hundred thousand signed a petition to arrest Netanyahoo as a war criminal.
So, if any British personnel start coming home in bodybags, even if many folk will have little sympathy or concern for MI6/
SAS losses – those days are gone – it will be a gift to Corbyn.
The chances increase immeasurably with the Russian air presence and the SU -40 shield.
They are being ultra-careful as a result.
@tony
Re: only 3 British air strikes in a month.
Thank you! That made me laugh my head off at the impotence of David Porciphile Cameron.
You ask what does it mean? It means that Cameron and his ilk are deluded morons that can’t get to grips with the fact that they have sunk back to their traditional place in human history: relative insignificance in global affairs. It means Cameron and his ilk are as incompetent as they are egotistical, corrupt and emotionally infantile.
What else can explain the toddler like impulse of Cameron to want to play on the same field where the big boys like Russia and America play?
Could it be to gather intelligence on both the US and Russia?
Sky news tonight reports 10 UK sorties made since announcement they will take place….
Iran: excuses, excuses, excuses.
They talk a big game but do far less than is required. They must be thinking as many do that Russia will put boots on the ground.
Iran has to put manpower on the ground to fight these two wars. Using proxy militias is not getting it done.
And if they don’t, all they do is bleed Hezbollah and the Iraqi Shia militias to death.
I am less impressed with Iran every day.
Waving the Hezbollah flag is cheap. When Israel gets a good assessment of losses of Hezbollah and disenchantment with the Syrian war (they are volunteers with little to gain there), the IDF will come into Lebanon and change everything all over again. And Russia won’t stop them. It will be a land war.
Iran talks big. And they have little to show for it. Dying is not a strategy.
It’s a matter of timing. By the end of 2016 I expect there will be no more Rothchild run Russian banks and Syrian and Lebanese air and ground spaces will be effectively closed to Israel.
“It’s a matter of timing.”
Yes.
And the Chinese.
Anna-news info node 50505 reporting that the European Union Times reports China has recieved permission from Syria to post there 5000 elite troops, but author of anna report really doubts this,that China will wait to see further developments,and suspects a military info leak of kinds, that China doesn’t get involved in external matters ,although there are present in Syria some chinese muslim terrorists………but it might be a situation to keep an eye on? Interesting article.
I have been watching videos of areas liberated of terrorists.. The people are very grateful.. Both to the SAA/NDF and YPG.. I am sure they would not be so friendly towards foreigners.. Even to Hezbollah or the Iraqi militias.. From what I have seen, all foreign foreign forces only enter a town to do battle and then leave. They do not even stay overnight inside the towns.. Even though they are closely related.. So Russians or Chinese soldiers would stand out and some would consider them as invaders.. Everyone learnt a great lesson from the US experience in Iraq..
What possible use would 5000 Chinese soldiers be in Syria? There is a lot of disinformation about Hezbollah role in Syria, but if you look at where they are stationed, it is around the border of Lebanon and also where they lost the most men.. They have less than 500 people as advisers and officers leading in tactics in all other areas.. The people already hate all foreigners who made their lives miserable.. I doubt they think about good or bad foreigners.. especially foreigners shelling and bombing their towns. Even if it is for their own good.. Like the US destroying the village to save it.. If Iraq or Iran or Hezbollah has not sent 5000 soldiers to fight.. Why should China? It would only give the rebels an excuse for having foreign support and logistics with the people.. Everyone is playing it very carefully here to not get directly into fights. The Syrians themselves are the ones doing the hard lifting.. Others are mostly support and advisory roles… And even then according to the MSM, it is all a fight against foreign mercenaries fighting to keep assad in power against freedom loving Syrians. Total foreigners fighting for Assad including Russians is under 20,000… foreign Terrorists is over 50,000….
Iran has to put manpower on the ground to fight these two wars.
They did. A lot. They even had several generals killed.
What are you talking about?!
If not for Iran Daesh would already be in Damascus.
I am less impressed with Iran every day.
That is a result of your ignorance of what Iran has already done.
Waving the Hezbollah flag is cheap
How can you say that? Iran went to huge sacrifices, efforts and risk to support Hezbollah which, in turn, has proportionally sacrificed more in the defense of Syria than anybody else.
What have *you* done for Syria lately?!
What short termers miss — and let’s be honest nearly all Western military and political thought is dominated by short term thinking — is that not only is Banderastan bleeding out economically. So too, is the Saudi regime and if Riyadh implodes or is forced to dial back its foreign adventurism and massive support for Wahhabism to retrench domestically or even fight a civil war inside Saudi Arabia, then the Syria war will be won. Unfortunately it may take another two or three years for the House of Saud’s collapse to become evident to all, especially its neocon GCC firster supporters. But that is definitely the trend and the Saudis foolish decision to execute a Shi’a cleric and make a martyr out of him as well as the Turks brazen insult to the Baghdad government, assuming the Iraqi Shi’a can’t hit their base outside Mosul at Bashiqa, both seem to be courting a disastrous backlash. Maybe Erdogan and the Sauds think they can rally supporters around them by creating new enemies as if they didn’t have enough already.
The Saker is right. The Ukraine war will only finally end with the collapse of the Banderastan regime and that can only in turn happen if the IMF read U.S./EU money spigot gets turned off. The same goes for the takfiris in Syria the fighting will go on albeit at a reduced pace and with the Syrian Arab Army and its allies occupying more advantageous ground until the Saudis have no more money to throw down the gullets of their takfiri rat proxies. Stay strong friend the Wahhabists are burning through $15-$20 billion a month in dollar reserves even the Sauds cannot sustain such a fantastic and exorbitant amount for their wars as well as social welfare and make work for their young men without a socio-economic explosion. Thus the Syria war may last another two years before the Saudi and Qatar backed groups are defeated — or a military coup in Turkey after Turkish troops start coming home in body bags from their occupation of northern Iraq could accelerate the collapse of the takfiris once their rat lines to Turkey get cut from both sides of the border.
This article might explain – at least partially – why Saudi chose to execute a Shia cleric and why Erdo in Turkey is promoting ‘normalized’ relations with Israel, the ever-expanding Zionist colony:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-gulf-states-said-discussing-new-alliance-to-stop-iran/
Add the latest spin on the ‘alliance’ : a meeting between Saudi and Barzani (Iraqi Kurdish oil-mafia) to establish a Barzani-led ‘Sunnistan’ (as Kurds across three states increasingly suspect the ‘Kurdistan’ agenda – part of the original Allen-Juppe plan) after the red-carpet treatment from Erdo.
They are determined to have their Sunni v Shia conflict to ‘justify’ this latest little oil-cartel run statelet.
This analysis is correct as far as it goes. It is very good. A new global paradigm will emerge one way or another and there is no in between. That is either a new dark age collapse of civilization and global depopulation desired by the British Saudi Zionist empire and its U.S. Bush/Obama satraps, or a global Renaissance of development sans empire in new, as president of China says, “win-win” world.
“British” empire and its “US satraps”? Shome mishtake shurely (ed.)
No, not a mistake, if a centuries long perspective, rather than a decades long perspective is taken. The New World imperial child has just outgrown its Old World imperial mother which begat it. However, its origins, it geneology is as PG states, there is no denying that.
There was a time, up until the late 1800s, when “American Empire” would have still seemed an oxymoron to most citizens of the USA. Sadly, that time has past ,due to another century plus of corruption and subversion from London and London allied Wall St.
As the old center of Empire rots and weakens, its parasitical ruling class seeks a more vital host to attach itself to. And that’s how we became an Anglo-feely-feely nation. Remember Thatcher providing the “spine” to George HW Bush, for the first invasion of Iraq? Just one of countless other examples.
Meh, revisionist history. The Monroe Doctrine (1823) was just an extension of the genocide of the Native Americans we killed to reach California. We have always been the American Empire.
I merely mean that Britain has been for the last 70 years the “junior partner” i.e. lackey and lick-spittle. To call it now the British Empire and the Americans its satraps just sounds a bit silly.
Paul, you are absolutely correct. The whole fate of humanity, past, present and future, hinges on the great Clash, not of ‘Civilizations’ but of Good and Evil. This, right now, is the pivot age about which man’s fate will turn. Further victories for the psychotic and genocidal ruling elites of the West will end human residence on Earth. Imperfect and flawed as they and all human societies are, Russia and China still represent the last hope for a long-term future for humanity. And they have the support, I believe, of most of humanity, including tens of millions inside the West itself. But the daemonic powers-that-be will not go quietly. They command the allegiance of millions of fellow psychopaths for whom greed, egomania and xenophobic hatred of others are as natural as breath.
This is the 3rd time I hearing this from Syrians.. So this is not just a saudi wanting to eradicate all minorities.. One said he had 3 daughters and he wont stand by while they are raped and sold by white men.. Yea that’s pretty much what he said and he was a mayor of a small town who has his own militia.. The other 2 basically said nuke them and assad is a pussy. One was at a resort where bikini clad women were lounging at the pool just outside homs..
So this has become the WW2 equivalent now… the people have become radicalized.. Just because IS was already radicalized and the other western leaning ones are now also radicalized means neither will surrender as it means their extermination.. many were saying they are willing to sacrifice everything… There will not be a political solution.. the Syrians WILL NOT agree to share or anything else with radicals because this is a fight for their survival. That much is very clear.. And the real syrian opposition dont control the mercenaries or the terrorists.. Even the young college people know it is nato humanitarian bombers who brought them this misery and they dont expect a political solution.
I think Russia’s political ‘solution’ is region-wide – not just Syria.
And the political solution relevant to Syria does not include ‘moderate’ terrorists or any such nonsense, though Assad and Putin do use the tactic of reducing Daesh/armed opposition by offering them the chance (like those who are vaguely affiliated to the practically defunct Free Syrian Army ) to work with government forces.
The information/intelligence they may get will be worth it, quite apart from reducing armed opposition.
The political solution will mainly involve the Kurds, who will probably get a high degree of autonomy.
The most the rest can hope for is elimination or defeat.
ISIS is not just a Syrian problem.
I think the political solution Putin is talking about is the US stopping its support of terrorists and letting him wack the countries around Syria. Because there are only like 30,000 or so Syrian armed opposition in any sense we would even consider as local and armed due to some kind of political nonsense like the US militia men.. There are like 100,000 or so Syrian gangs who can not be involved in an politics because their goals is criminal, drugs, human trafficking, dictatorships etc and the 50,000 or more foreigners who are mostly untrained mercenaries funded by foreign countries and the less than 10,000 highly trained blackwater troops.. Some 20,000 of the bunch are directly trained by the americans and nato..
How much of that 30,000 can be converted? They have the option.. But not for the rest.. Stopping foreign support and aid for the rest would stop the majority of so called armed opposition.. as it is just a foreign funded and supplied mercenary force of criminal gangs mostly. they are already moving their main assets out of the danger zone as we see in Iraq and even from syria..
Maybe thats why Syrians were not invited for the peace talks.. because there are no viable real Syrians who can stop this, they are just syrian hostages who are used as cover for a foreign mercenary force.
@mmiriww
How do you know those people that you quoted actually said that? Do you speak Arabic? Reading translations can be misleading, how do you know 1st hand about these events?
Something doesn’t appear clear in your post:
-1) The 1st scenario is seems clear: you appear to referring to a syrian mayor with 3 daughters. He controls a local militia and is worried about perverted ISIL “management” raping his 3 daughters.
-2) The other 2 conversations you describe are unclear: Who said “Assad is a pussy”?
-3) And who said: “we should nuke them.”? Was it a Saudi or a Syrian? What was the context?
well I dont know Arabic even though I studied it.. And I cant understand slang’s and had a hard time understanding my Syrian friends.. And could they fool me with translations? sure..
And I condensed their answers about what they said, the basic gist of it to what they talked about.. And from a lot more than just those 3 people calling Assad a pussy.. we have talked about some of the reasons for it, like his orders to the military to try to take Syrians alive if possible, provide safe corridors to them if they want to leave a particularly densely populated area to a far less dense area .. Amnesty to those surrendering etc etc etc… No carpet bombing of terrorist controlled areas even though that’s the quickest way to get rid of them even of towns where most civilians have fled.. So that is what many of the Syrians themselves think that Assad is too soft on the terrorists.. It would be the same thing others would say I have noticed.. Americans wanted to nuke afghanistan, indians wanted to nuke pakistan, the french wanted to nuke I am not sure but everyone.. looks like a small matter to us, but to them not so much..
Ofcourse these interviews only give a glimse of a small number of people with strong opinions.. others would just say life is dell, like is difficult etc they miss so and so etc, but who wants to read those?
Also PBS front line had one of the interviews.. also another with a Syrian intelligence agent who was there in 2011 who also said his team was shot at by the protesters and many of his men died.. so you can go watch that yourself and make up your own mind.. posted the video in another thread..
“Also PBS front line had one of the interviews.. also another with a Syrian intelligence agent who was there in 2011 who also said his team was shot at by the protesters and many of his men died.. so you can go watch that yourself and make up your own mind.. posted the video in another thread..”
GOOD GRIEF !! Posted on another thread? Frontline had a huge archive on Syria. This interview is like a needle in a haystack. How about you POST a LINK HERE, please!
Martin Smith’s Full FRONTLINE Documentary “Inside Assads Syria”
https://youtu.be/XDsXTOjwv28
The other interviews were articles by well known authors who are not as biased as this guy.. Although I cant recall which articles they were in. Fisk sometimes will let in a bombshell.. so does other reporters for the independent but not overtly.. From what I figured out about PBS, they only let in tidbits, which can be used for propaganda.. One was a woman working for the syrian relief organization crying about her younger brother who joined the SAA in the middle of 2011 seeing what was happening, he was taken by IS.. So they were around even then.. He was executed but the last thing he said was all IS would be killed mercilessly.. So even there they had to put that little bit in there about this very brave young man knowing he was going to be executed about how blood thirsty these syrian soldiers are.. I notice such propaganda gimmicks by now. As there was no reason to show such sadness and the brutality and make it appear like the kid deserved what he got.
Another was a woman sniper with the SAA that was killed recently whos pictures are posted as billboard around her home.. Nothing about her bravery.. Only another Syrian who got killed fighting. Or even anything about there are Syrian women fighting on the front lines… He talked a lot about how he did not get to do the story he wanted blah blah blah.. almost half the segment was that.. poor disadvantaged amerikan not getting a fair shake from the regime..
He also got to belittle a very brave Syrian reporter as an assad regime supporter because he was documenting the fighting.. over 5000 battles by then.. He died the next day and that was bad because he was the ticket to interview Assad… I fail to see how someone documenting the crimes going on becomes part of the regime.. The same way a criminal file of dead syrian security personal ends up being the evidence of the regimes cruelty to civilians.
The Syrian reporters picture is used for the header here… Witness to over 5000 battles must be a new record..
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1
If people think this is a fair documentary then they have not learnt the value of Goebbels thesis..
https://t.co/vpzd1AJLlh
The small Russian military force alone may not have tipped the balance, but the combination of Russian military, Russian geo-political backing, and consequent moral boost for Syrian forces does seem to have tipped the military balance in favour of Syria.
No talk now of Turkish/US “safe zone” for terrorists.
KSA and Qatar. Can’t be attacked militarily because they have the backing of the US, but the only reason they can support Wahhabbis around the world is the oil dollar.
It would seem the best way for Russia to neutralise these two countries is to keep the oil price low?
Thanks Saker. As usual, a sober and realistic assessment of a complex and confusing situation. Reality is no fun, but next day alcohol (illusion) depression is even worse.
Yes, this is going to be a long war, I am afraid. The world is very tired and really needs a break, but it may never come, at least in my generation. If the situation continues to escalate and criminal NATO continues its senseless provocations, (Russia is NOT stepping back), the world might become a very hot spot.
I re-watched the interview from Sheik Imran Hosein of October 15 (1) yesterday, and concluded that 2016 may end up being a break year. The status quo does not appear to be possible. The US will have to backtrack somewhat or the situation will accelerate for the worst. This means that two nuclear powers will have to come to a term: the USA steps down from its high horse and changes its priorities, or we have a nuclear war.
(1) /interview-of-sheikh-imran-on-republika-srpska-television-must-watch/
A much-needed objective analysis of the situation in Syria that is long overdue.
The moderate opposition are all with the SAA and NDF.. Even the YPG…
Which does not include the other 2000 gangs trying to get it by force….
It would be like giving political power the gangs of LA or NY because they have guns and run large drug cartels in the cities. I can just see the crips running California and sitting in the LA municipality councils..
Someone actually wasted days making this picture up. It would like putting all the gang logos onto the US flag instead of the stars and saying its the peoples democratic state.
https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/683286915005726720
Overly pessimistic in my view. For instance Russia can, relatively cheaply, rebuild Syria’s air force with existing stocks of attack planes retrofitted with the svp 24 targeting system, providing Syria with precision bombing capability using Russia’s inventory of dumb bomb.
For Russia the longer game is the creation of a Shiite centric ‘belt’ from Lebanon into Afghanistan allied with Russia whose resources are beyond the control of the western banking cartel. China also has an intense interest in seeing this occur. I consider it likely Russia and China will work together to build ‘fortress shia’ as quickly as possible.
It all boils down to money. Who is going to pay for it. Russia does not want to do it just for the fun of it. Syrian government waited to long to ask for help, but then again the cost. Russia’s unsaid thought most likely is, is that equipment going to end up in the hands of daesh, and later turned against Russia? Everything has to be carefully considered.
It all boils down to survival.
You can add India there. As you know, Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) is disputed between India and Pakistan. And relevant to note is:
(a) Pakistan , said Stalin to visiting Indian communist leaders in 1951, “..is an underhand trick played on you people by the British. ”
(b) The major part of J&K is Gilgit-Baltistan, bordering on Afghanistan and China. During the First Kashmir War in 1948, no Paki soldier came anywhere near this area. Gilit-BLTISTAN IS 75% Shia.
Pakistan flag was raised in Gilgit by Major Brown, a British officer of the Indian Army. And the British Air Marshal who was then Chief of Indian Air Force talked India’s leaders including Nehru into accepting Pak rule over Gilgit rather than challenging it.
(c) The Takfiri onslaught thru Pakistan is threatening Gilgit’s Shia majority as well. If the area can be taken by India tht will add to the FortressShia you speak of. India is th second largest Shia Muslim country in the world after Iran.Of course, Pak Nukes are an obstacle to such a plan..
Dear Saker,
So is it the Sunnis or Wahabis? Also, I do not understand what Takfiri is: Remember Imran Hussein’s discomfort at your use of this word?
Last week someone had posted an article mentioning, “Homage to Catalonia”. The Sunnis you seem to dislike and even Wahabis are followers of this anarchy (which does not mean chaos, only lack of one leader). Qur’an provides people with a system of life where formal clergy is rendered useless and powerless. Followers of the Qur’an, are not followers of an organized religion. There are no leaders, and no scholar is the high priest, no Ayatollah, not fatwa (decree) is binding on anyone.
This is why to the chagrin of the western media about lack of Muslim community leadership (which is an oxymoron) about statements about good or bad world events on TV. Qur’an requires everyone to be responsible for himself alone, it does not forbid the followers to come together for purely administrative reasons, but the absolute leadership or binding leadership is absent.
This is a purely libertarian religion. Did you know that it is the only religion where you do not have to pay to play. No tithing, no Khums, no other hands in your pockets. The cha-ching is completely absent.
Furthermore, for any life or religious activity one does not need any priest or clergy member to sanctify anything. No need for priests for marriage, death (Chaplains in the military is only a western religious concept).
I will grant you that people do not practice what they should, there are grand muftis and other people desperately trying to turn a buck. Sufism is one example. They have holy sites, holy people, and their descendants, and caretakers of such holy sites: however, the reason that it never catches on, is because then there will be no constructive difference between, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (well Qur’anic Islam).
Qur’an has survived despite peoples attempts to organize it it into a money making enterprise. Perhaps people who will not bend down to will of mere humans and cough up money are Takfiris? Maybe you can expound on it. My own understanding is that those people who do not believe in the Truth of Qur’an are Takifiri…These would be the Shia (they have cha-ching, and unitary command). Remember Ayatollah Sistani was able to stop an entire rebellion against occupation singlehandedly. That is the beauty of vesting power in the hands on one person: it is much easier to buy out one person that a million awakened minds, who reason for themselves.
Now people have tried a lot of things to turn Qur’an followers into groups. They came up with, circumcision, concept of holy places, holy water, Eid Milad-un-Nabi which is equivalent of Christmas. The only holy place in Islam is “Kabaa” nothing else. And it is not holy in the sense that people think holy is.
When Ayatollah Khomeini issued Fatwa against Rushdi, it was a sanctioned hit which was mandatory on all the Shia, however, any fatwas issued by any person in Sunni (or Wahabi) is not binding on anyone. People can look at it and dismiss it, or accept it if it meets their logical standards.
I noticed that you equivocate “wahabi”, “saudi Royal family”, and people who live in “Saudi Arabia”.
This is slightly off topic, but think of it as an appendix: there is no support in Qur’an for political states, as it amounts to constructive admission that there are places in this universe where the creator of all the universe does not have sovereignty. That is illogical.
I wish to a great new year.
Your friend,
Nasir
Your full unmoderated post has been sent to the Saker. Your personal attacks have been removed from this comment as they break the site rules. Mod TR
So is it the Sunnis or Wahabis? Also, I do not understand what Takfiri is: Remember Imran Hussein’s discomfort at your use of this word?
Wahabis are recognized, universally, as a subset of Sunnis. As far as I know, no Sunni authority has ever declared that the Wahabis are not Sunni or, even less so, not Muslims. When the Saudis announce an “Islamic anti-terrorist force” everybody knows that they mean “anti-Shia”. When you write “My own understanding is that those people who do not believe in the Truth of Qur’an are Takifiri…These would be the Shia you seen to share their point of view.
As for the word “Takfiri” – if it is good enough for Hassan Nasrallah, it is good enough for me.
Cheers,
The Saker
The definition of Takfiri as per Wikipedia is : A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري takfīrī) is a Sunni Muslim who accuses another Muslim (or an adherent of another Abrahamic faith) of apostasy.[1] The accusation itself is called takfir, derived from the word kafir (unbeliever), and is described as when “one who is, or claims to be, a Muslim is declared impure.”
If you don’t like this definition then you can spend some time and find a better one yourself.
Nasir, you haven’t supported your assertions by any evidence. You wrote: The Sunnis you seem to dislike and even Wahabis are followers of this anarchy (which does not mean chaos, only lack of one leader). Qur’an provides people with a system of life where formal clergy is rendered useless and powerless. Followers of the Qur’an, are not followers of an organized religion. There are no leaders, and no scholar is the high priest, no Ayatollah, not fatwa (decree) is binding on anyone.
This is so untrue! Qur’an is the word of Allah but revealed to people through his messenger, prophet Muhammad (PBUH), who happened to be the first leader of the Muslims and founder of the state of Medina. Qur’an was taught by Muhammad through his words called Ahadith and his actions called Sunnah. He was followed by Khulafa, including Abu Bakar, Umar, Uthman and Ali, all of whom were leaders of Muslims and had a unitary command at least until Uthman.
Regarding your claim that Islam didnt support clergy, it was only true until the times of Prophet Muhammad and Khulafa-e-rashideen. With the spread of Islam to far away places, to non-arabs and to people who hadn’t learned from the prophet himself, it was only natural to ask more learned and knowledgeable who understood the Qur’an and Sunnah. This led to development of clergy and yes, they have been responsible for the differences in opinion and divisions but it was only a natural process.
Dear Shaman, and others:
Without being discourteous, may I say, as a matter of pure practicality, that my further participation on this site will depend on the demonstration of good faith by the owner of the site.
I prefer a civil yet vigorous, but but most fundamentally an honest discussion. If the conditions do not prove to be conducive–I will not waste my own or others time with moderated/censored snippets taken out of context, or engage in dropping or replying to snarky retorts. I prefer places where people are able to explore subjects fully with the main objective of exchanging knowledge.
We will have to wait and see a few days to gauge the site owners inclination. It is someone else’s house; my only choice is to see if their rules are acceptable to me to stay or not.
Sincerely,
Your friend,
Nasir
The Saker has your full posting from yesterday and your email address. We encourage a good and fair rigorous discussion here. Please note the site rules though. As long as these rules are followed by you and other commenters you will, we hope, enjoy the comments section. We donot allow attacking of other commenters. We appreciate there are many views out there and people can express them as long as they are polite and don’t break the rules. Thx. ModTR
Thank you. I believe that is fair. No, I do not attack people when they write. My disagreements will be with premises, logic, proclamations, etc. I even do not mind even when people vent.
Saker,
A quote from a PressTV article by a Sunni Muslim on the subject:
~ Zaid Hamid, a Sunni Muslim defense analyst
from Pakistan, says ISIL and related terrorist
groups are not Sunnis, but Kharajite heretics
serving an imperial anti-Islamic agenda. (The
Kharajites were an ultra-radical group that
rejected early versions of both Sunni and Shia
Islam and stepped outside of the Islamic
community – hence their name, which means
“those who step outside.”)
Hamid argues that
the ultra-radical groups destabilizing Pakistan,
Syria and Iraq have indeed stepped outside of
Islam, and are making war on Islam and
Muslims on behalf of Zionism and
imperialism. ~
Since this genesis perfectly describes their current behaviour, it seems about right to me.
It also chimes with a report I read a while back that the madrasas churning out the Ks in Pakistan were financed by British businessmen – will try and find it.
I shall use the term Kharajites instead of takfiris in future.
I’ve compiled some links to more than I am prepared to read through now, but skimming them show that, although perhaps to be taken as ‘authorities’ there are plenty of people who say Wahabism is not legitimate Islam.
http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=6308
Salafi Wahabism is anti Islam
By: – Ahmed Mansour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism#Criticism_and_controversy
https://about.me/zubair.qamar
http://www.correctislamicfaith.com/wahhabism.htm
WAHHABISM
UNDERSTANDING THE ROOTS AND ROLE MODELS OF EXTREMISM
by Zubair Qamar
Courtesy – http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm
Introduction
The most extremist pseudo-Sunni movement today is Wahhabism (also known as Salafism).
[…]
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/270280-wahhabism-terrorism-isis-islam/
Wahhabism: Religious deviance and fountainhead of radicalism & extremism
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-major-differences-in-Wahhabism-and-Hanafi-beliefs-and-practices
“While Wahhabism is some British made ideology (in collaboration with Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab) that has unfortunately succeeded in being associated with Islam when it is at complete odds with Islamic principles.”
http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm
Wahhabism and Wahhabi Islam: How Wahhabi Islam Differs from Sunni, Shia Islam
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:05Lp5MNHEz8J:www.dailysabah.com/feature/2015/02/13/wahhabism-pure-islam-or-extremism+&cd=27&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:05Lp5MNHEz8J:www.dailysabah.com/feature/2015/02/13/wahhabism-pure-islam-or-extremism+&cd=27&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sponsored-islamic-fundamentalism-the-roots-of-the-us-wahhabi-alliance/5303558
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Regarding those individuals you quote:
Who cares.
Those individuals and their opinions matter as much to Muslims and the Islamic world as do you and your opinions. In other words they don’t matter at all. But for you to understand that you need to understand Arabic or Farsi of Urdu or Indonesian rather than being a pedantic Wikipedia jockey. We need real world prolonged cultural exposure and deep (not shallow theoretical) understanding of that cultural milieu, society and the consensus among its members. Until you can do that, you personally cannot define or judge what is the Muslims view of what is or is not considered part of Islam.
In case you missed the boat, there isn’t a central authority in Islam that can declare Wahaabism as non Muslim. There is, however, consensus that makes apparent that the overwhelming number of Shia and increasing numbers of Sunnis consider Daesh to be takfiris. There are authorities in Shia Islam that Shias defer to, their are trusted interlocutors and theological authorities in Shia Islam. For example Saker trusts the theological judgement of Sheikh Nasrallah, this is based on that man’s track record of being reliable and scrupulous in not damaging his credibility (ie has a reputation of telling the truth) and as an official religious authority.
Rather than make amateur judgments based on a shallow theoretical pedantic approach, it behooves us clueless non-Muslims to take the time to ask Muslims themselves – specifically experts with skin in the game, like Noureddin Shami-for subtle insight on what is the reality in Islam – a conversation devoid of political correctness that gives a true insight.
Even Christianity has it’s Mormons. Southern Baptists. Evangelicals. Who are you to say what is a right or wrong form of belief? Myself, I believe that all religion is the opium of the masses but I respect the right of anyone to believe whatever that want.
What people need to be held accountable for is their actions, not their beliefs.
FWIW, even I, an outsider American gringo can see the difference between Wahabism and Salafism. Not that I’m excusing KSA in the least, they clearly support both.
Not sure if this comment is welcome. But in America, Christians generally hold onto the false distinction between Jew and Gentile (which St Paul did away with). Not only that, the meaning of words have changed. When Aquinas wrote Summa Contra Gentiles who was addressing, I ask? (I thought about this during scripture reading at mass) Universalism isn’t easy, and the enemy has sown weeds and confusion.
But there is also a good universalism and its evil apeish counterfeit. That anyways, is how I tend to think about things
Here you are:
“A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري takfīrī) is a Sunni Muslim who accuses another Muslim (or an adherent of another Abrahamic faith) of apostasy.[1] The accusation itself is called takfir, derived from the word kafir (unbeliever), and is described as when “one who is, or claims to be, a Muslim is declared impure.”[2] The act of accusing other Muslims of being takfiri has become a sectarian slur, particularly since the outbreak of the Syrian Civil War in 2011.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri
I agree with you 100% to add to that. Sunni Muslims today are the majority of Muslims today1.5 billion in the world and they condemn this small group of mercenaries working for a thousand bucks a day, these are literally The Soldiers of Israel supported trained and funded by zionist regimes of KSA Qatar and Turkey. Trying to carry out the ideology of ibn abdul wahhab the founder of Salafiyyah movement in the 1153 AH the most violent and dangerous group(after the Orthodox Sunni Muslims have lived in peace for more than 1000 years) this dangerous salafi came with a New Religion, hence the word Takfiri because this ideology can put a Muslim outside Islam meaning in a state of Kufr. This man was born in the Horn of Satan (Najd) and he was condemned and warned against by hundreds of imams and sunni Muslim scholars of his era. Many books were written warning all muslims from him including his old brother Sulaiman ibn abdul Wahhab who exposed him in his famous book ( The Divine Lightning). You can find an excellent translation of this book on YouTube in 14 videos the channel name is Lote Tree Institute, this is a Must if you want to know the history and the roots of the evil cult Salafiyyah. The actions of this group are devilish and their goals are on the same line with the master of Oppression today the AngloZionist JudeoChristian Alliance Zionist state of Israel. I hope and pray that these Khawarij Salafi Wahhabis Takfiris get wiped out by the Russian forces the only hope left in the world today.
Dear Saker:
Does this mean that Hasan Nasrallah is the linguistic and perhaps philosophical controlling authority for the visitors to “The Saker’s Vineyard”? I think, you did not mean that.
You do know that he is a Shia leader, so he has to be partisan. If your aim is to enlighten people, that is one thing. If you aim to spread ideology of Hezbollah, well then perhaps you should be kind enough to put a Warning for your visitors–informing them that this is a Hezbollah conduit site, or better yet that any discussion which challenges the notions being peddled on this site are not open to critical analysis. It seems strange, that “The Saker Analytics, LLC” does not like analysis, but is more comfortable with plain old indoctrination. I thought it was an analytical site not a Ideological site.
Once again, you don’t have to reply to me publicly, you can reply to me privately, or just chose to ignore to reply, which naturally will trigger all the logical entailments.
However, it will do you well to remember that if you are pushing ideologies as a conduit, which are detrimental and/or harmful or both to any protected class, or general class of people. You are actively harming innocent people, spreading hate, and as such you are opening yourself to a pushback of equal or stronger magnitude.
Is that a conscious choice? Do you want to be remembered as a conduit rather than an independent enlightened person who does not take cues from his emotional authority figures?
However, I do not hold people accountable for a slip of tongue, I either like to see a repeated trend, or an affirmation on the part of the person who has made a faux pas that it is indeed was not a faux pas: it really was a considered opinion.
Sincerely,
I remain your friend,
Nasir
your carefully crafted sliced and diced insinuations and devious strawman
machinations have all the hallmarks of a hasbaratchic.
how’s the weather in tel aviv?
I was thinking the same thing.
Oh, I completely forgot to mentioned eschatology (Sheik Imran’s favorite topic) is unsupported in Qur’an, but a surefire way to hook the people. So, yes these so called Muslim scholars have not left any perversions to real Christianity and Judaism alone. These tried and true crowed-pleasers have found their way in this sham Islam.
Also, it is not the job/duty/requirement of/from any Muslim to protect God or his Messenger. The Messenger has been dead for 1400 years (who was 100% human), and God does not need the protection of his creation. This is what Muslims repeat over and over umpteen times in their prayer every day. But yet, emotions are stronger than logic.
Your friend,
Nasir
Thank you The Saker for another excellent article. This is very informative and crucial information desperately needed in a word full of lies and propaganda.
As for Mr Nasir, you clearly have not benefited from Sheikh Imran Hussein interview. I sincerely respect and value the Sheikh opinions. The sheikh knows a lot about his subject Escatology which is mostly explanations from the Quraan. Islamic escatology and Orthodox Christian escatology have way many similarities than differences.
Dear, AL:
There is no doubt that Mr. Hussein has a large following. So did Jim Jones and followers of Daesh (if it is indeed what it is described to be). However, Mr. Hussein’s entire trick is based on quoting Hadith (the purported sayings of the Messenger of God, Muhammad, who was only a conduit), which are repugnant to the Qur’an. The concept of Hadith is really tricky for Muslims and non-Muslims: people somehow have decided that they can equivocate the Qur’an and Hadith with abandon. It is akin to receiving a message on a phone from your boss and then quickly proceeding to think that the phone itself is the boss. I recall something along these lines from a movie called “Gods must be crazy” where people took a coke bottle to be a god.
People who call themselves Sunni, believe in following Qur’an, and Sunnah (this means what Muhammad did ritualistically). Although, following Sunnah too is pretty bad, the amount of perversion can only be limited to how to pray, how to eat, how to drink, and stuff like that. In practical sense, raising hands, or not raising hands while praying does not really undercut the message of the Qur’an. So Sunnis, will do well to stay away from following Sunnah too rigidly.
However, nothing undercuts Qur’an more than Hadith, the thing is you can make it up as you go, let alone the fact that even Muhammad when acting in his own capacity was a human being who was flawed and any things which he might have stated could have been his incorrect and contradictory to Qur’an. It is for nothing that Qur’an has rebuked Muhammad three times, publicly, for all eternity to see that there were times where he transgressed. Now it could have been done privately, but making it a part of the Qur’an to live for eternity, was not an attempt at defaming him but rather a word of caution for people to come that He is only a Messenger, but he does not speak for me in his daily life. He is referred to as a Rasool, which means he conveys the message, and not as prophet (who claims to have or had future knowledge, like Nostradamus who prophesied).
However, such distinctions are lost in translation, especially when the translator is of a certain bend. I read somewhere in this article, or comment where someone used the world “nauseous” instead of nauseating: I think it would have been better to use some other more suitable word to convey the actual sense better. To me it just appeared to be gratuitous a better selection would have been certainly conveyed the intent, of the writer in question’ better.
Now the example, I mentioned above is a fairly benign: most certainly not a loaded one designed to cause mischief. However, many other translations, elaborations, and explanations are not as benign, when there are axes to be ground. Just as Precedence based law, (for example, Roe V Wade), although as split decision, has taken on the force of the constitution. Every new decision of the court (at least the important ones) is split, but a few years down the road it is used liberally even if it was unconstitutional, or has become unconstitutional in the light of new developments, after some time, people fully equivocate it with the constitution. There is no wonder why Supreme Court has Jews and Catholics, and only one token protestant. The reason may appear to be accidental on the first blush: however, those who spend some time reading and thinking see that these are the people uniquely qualified for perpetuating the precedence based law, after all Talmud is the precedence based law (not even inspired by God), but which has completely replaced the (God Inspired) Torah. Or the Catholic Cannon law which has done the same to the (Evengel, AKA the four Gospels of the New Testament).
Not that Sham Muslims are far behind, but there is always a check on people like Hassan Nasrallah, and the self-proclaimed Sheikh.
I wish some of you will read Qur’an, because unlike all other religious texts, it is unique in the respect that it still does exist in its unaltered form openly everywhere in identical form—not just in someones private archive.
Thank you for your attention.
Your friend,
Nasir
Dear friend Nasir,
You wrote: People who call themselves Sunni, believe in following Qur’an, and Sunnah (this means what Muhammad did ritualistically). Although, following Sunnah too is pretty bad, the amount of perversion can only be limited to how to pray, how to eat, how to drink, and stuff like that. In practical sense, raising hands, or not raising hands while praying does not really undercut the message of the Qur’an. So Sunnis, will do well to stay away from following Sunnah too rigidly.
May I ask if this is your opinion? Can you provide any verses from Qur’an to prove your point?
As suggested in my earlier comment to one of your posts, It would be much more helpful for the readership here if you can justify your claims with evidence from Qur’an, since you don’t seem to believe in Hadith and consider it a perversion.
I would provide a few verses from Qur’an that convey Allah’s decree to Muslims to obey Allah and His messenger and to follow the prophet’s way of life as a model of good conduct;
“Say: if you love Allah, follow me and He will love you and forgive you your wrong actions.” [Al-Qur’an 3:31]
“Believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet who believes in Allah and His words. Follow him, perhaps you will be guided.” [Al-Qur’an 7:157]
“No, by your Lord, they will not believe until they ask you to judge between them in what they disagree about and then they shall find in themselves no impediment touching your verdict, but shall surrender in full submission.” [Al-Qur’an 4:64]
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.
(Surah Al-Ahzab, Verse 21)
You also said : However, nothing undercuts Qur’an more than Hadith, the thing is you can make it up as you go.
In my opinion, nothing can be more wrong about Hadith and shows poor understanding of this very important institution.
Sunni muslims believe 6 books of Ahadith to be Sahih or correct and Shia muslims have 4 books that they consider Sahih. Both factions had scholars who vigorously developed the institution of Hadith based on sound principles and authentic Ahadith have been a massive source of information about Islam and the prophet’s way of life especially for those who didn’t have the opportunity of learning from the prophet himself.
Sheikh Hussein’s interview, was clearly very reasonable and eloquent. It was useful, in reminding people that the Rome, as referred to in Qur’an is not the Rome of Italy, it actually is a reference to the Constantinople, and referrs to Eastern Orthodoxy. In that narrow context, it was a useful monologue (posing as an interview).
I am all for truth seeing the light of the day. So I think no matter what his views on eschatology, his addressing the issue of Eastern Orthodoxy and its recognition in Qur’an was commendable.
Another thing that stood out for me, was that even when he is hunting for followers, he still has the decency not to cross some lines: such as his personal refrain and discomfort at using the word “Takfiri”. So, I can think of him as a decent man, who will not stoop down to just any level to gain followers.
However, his entire view on eschatology is at the minimum misguided, and at worst a subversion. I do not deny that he is acting in good faith and the indoctrination has rendered his ability of reason out of this mess powerless. We all have such scotomas: however, I am not going to declare him a Muslim or no Muslim, or Shia Muslim, or Sunni Muslim. If he says he is a Muslim, I have to accept it. I can disagree with his views, point out the errors of his thoughts, but no one has the authority to declare him an=other than what he claims. If some one is not comfortable with his view, they can push back with counter arguments. The act of deciding what is truly in his heart or if he is a Momin (this is a term of art), is between him and his maker alone.
BTW, Qur’an is not only for Muslims, it is for all humanity. Essentially it encourages people to use free will, and while encouraging them to use their own minds to make informed decisions: No matter what people allege it to be, it is just an encouragement to obtain knowledge, and use free will to make choices in life. Some things are encouraged, while others are discouraged. There is a short list of no-nos. However the final arbiter of any digression is the God himself that goes for all spiritual issues. For human on human crimes, there is a process for arbitration (with a non-professional adjudicator), no precedence is allowed. Only Qur’an is to be used for guidance, with the help of logic. That is about it.
All these things you hear all the time, like Salfi, Takfiri, Sufi, Kharaji, wahabi, and many more are just symbols of ignorance, hate, judgement (where the judge is not empowered to do so).
It is simple, it is beautiful, it is liberating, and encourages enlightenment, it does not require to decalre yourself a Muslim, because Muslim is an empty moniker (a claim) vs the reality and truth (which is Momin). All humans can be Momins: if they are pure of heart and even if they make mistakes, which were honest, and made after using their faculties. If someone thinks that Euler, or Gauss, or Galileo will be going to hell: that person has not read Qur’an, or has not attempted to understand it.
Best regards,
Your friend,
Nasir
Mr Nasir,
Your posts could just as easily apply to Quakers who likewise eschew priestly castes.
But rituals and their practitioners/guardians are overwhelmingly majority practice in most world religions.
Even the Tao (The Way) did not lead to social abandonment of monastic culture, or engagement with it by the laity.
I am afraid man/woman does not live by logic alone.
{Dear Moderator},
I had zero expectation of even a part of my comment seeing the light of the day, getting a representative excerpt is good enough: it was very kind of you.
In the spirit of being fair, I would have appreciated if you had not “editorialized” the nature of my comment—it would have been better to just delete the parts you thought did not think measured up to your standards.
As a seemingly fair person, perhaps you can see that characterizing my comments without presenting them is abuse of privilege. I am ready to support my assertion, and can logically prove that none of what I wrote was “personal attack” on anyone.
Allow me to say that ad-hominem exchanges, although distasteful, do not imply that they are the worst type of exchanges. The worst type of exchanges are specious ones (that would be sophistry).
These are arguments designed to cause mischief, the one who puts together such arguments starts off in bad faith. I maintain that in the bigger scheme of things; it is the sophistry which needs to be guarded against, not the crude (yet accurate lexicon) which does have more weight, due to the spontaneity of righteous indignation: people tend to be more forthright, when they let go of niceties.
So in my opinion, euphemisms and linguistic acrobatics does nothing to add to a conversation other than obfuscating simple to understand concepts. This is why in my opinion German is more useful language than English.
Your friend,
Nasir
oh the syrupy sophistry with which you condemn sophistry.
did your professor give you an A plus….
because he couldn’t understand your thesis?
based on the number of words and convoluted and
implied superiority in your tone, you must forgive me
for not worshipping every comma and fullstop of
your enlightened missive.
Hmmm,some people say they are Muslim. But am I the only one that has never seen a “true” Muslim that didn’t say something after writing Mohammed’s name like “peace be upon him”. While someone could of course “fake it” by writing that. The fact of not writing it makes me doubt the “Muslim” claim. The same is true of religious Jews (and sometimes Jews in general) that never fully write the word “God”,but instead write it “G-d.
“The fact of not writing it makes me doubt the “Muslim” claim.”
What “Muslim” claim? Please copy and paste?
Thank you,
God Bless,
Your friend,
Nasir
Nasir, Uncle Bob – please don’t start attacking each other. Please close down this conversation. Any further comments will be deleted. Thanks.
“…the Empire unleashed a nauseous mix of Nazis and Jews” (sic). I’m sorry, but it appears to me entirely reasonable to ask for clarification.
Ewan, what could be more clear??? The US neocon anointed rulers of Ukraine are ethnic Jews. Poroshenko’s father’s name was Waltzman. Yes, Yats claims to be a Scientologist, as the Bolsheviks claimed to be atheists, but what difference does that make? Kolomoisky is an Israeli citizen.
Their Bandera worshiping thugs have a fetish for German WWII symbols and slogans. Like Germans in WWII, the Bandera followers mainly have killed orthodox Christians. There is, of course, a vast difference in education, organization and IQ between the German Nazis and the Banderists. The Germans designed jets and rockets, the Banderists struggle to drive motor vehicles. But the Banderists are self proclaimed Nazi allies, which should be well established by now.
“… The Germans designed jets and rockets, the Banderists struggle to drive motor vehicles. …”
From Hermann Rauschning (at least supposed) memoirs one learns of Hitler’s grand plans for all Slavic nations. Basically, transport them to the vast steppes of Euro-Asia, have them work there as slave labourers, while castrating all the men, and by the time the Slavs get all extinct, the land would be sufficiently cultivated and ready for ethnic Germans to finally settle in and breed.
As I read this quite some time ago, I do not recall whether he mentioned either Ukrainians or Croats by name or not. Since both Bandera (of Ukraine) and Pavelic (of Croatia) were great friends of Hitler (the horrible mass crimes over civilian populations of followers of these two far surpassed in sadism even Hitler’s own henchmen’s, a documented fact), one naturally wonders: did Der Führer have some “special discounts” for Ukrainians and Croats?
My own “educated guess” would be that Hitler would use them as “allies” at first, due to a sheer gargantuan size of the “task”, but that eventually, he would gladly dispose of them, when he would not need them any longer, they would meet the same fate as any other Slavs, or any other “Untermenschen” for that matter. And besides, Hitler too knew that “… The Germans designed jets and rockets, the Banderists struggle to drive motor vehicles. …”.
» From Hermann Rauschning (at least supposed) memoirs one learns of Hitler’s grand plans for all Slavic nations. «
Sure, and by reading Peterchens Mondfahrt, one learns how to travel to the moon.
That Rauschning guy is a 100 % fraudster and a freaking liar. His book Gespräche mit Hitler, which I own and have read, is pure invention. As such it qualified as source material for our history school textbooks here in Germany. He is indeed such a ridiculously obvious fraud that it is even acknowledged by German Wikipedia.
The fact that you publicly state that one can “learn” from such a fraudster is about as good a coming-out as it gets.
Google “Himmler Untermensch pdf”, download the PDF file, and read it. It’s mostly photos. It is anti-bolshevist and anti-Jewish (because Jews were identified as the driving force behind Bolshevism). It says Untermensch Number One is Joe Stalin. For the most part, it depicts the horrors of Bolshevism and the importance of defending Europe’s Freedom. It says that Bolshevism has plunged Russia into Horror. It depicts Bolshevists as ugly thugs – as undermen, Untermenschen.
Sure there are issues with it. But don’t tell me it’s worse than Anglo or Soviet propaganda.
By the way, the term Untermensch entered German language via translation from English, The Revolt against Civilization: The Menace of the Under Man, Lothrop Stoddard, 1922.
nuland is a jew, married to kagan the jew and co-founder of PNAC. camoron the British prime minister is a jew, put into power by jews, as was bliar, and openly admitted in 2 of their jewish newspapers. Both these 2 jew backed murderers have caused immense death, destruction and suffering; the invasion of Iraq under bliar was based on WMD LIES. camoron has laid waste to Libya, wanted to do the same to Syria, and camoron is ALSO responsible for the death and destruction in the Donbass.
Saker answered AEM before you asked essentially the same question. Scroll up, you’ll see it.
Well done Saker, ty for this deep and competitive analysis of the success of Russia’s goals. A newest attempt of disinformation one can read at Russia Insiders website where a certain Jacob Dreizin is farting out his bs about this subject.
Thank you!
Re: “A newest attempt of disinformation one can read at Russia Insiders website”
IMHO Russia Insider is full of disinformation and anti-Russia bashing. Plus the site freezes up and those annoying popups — asking for cash if you want to view the site ad free.
It used to be a ‘go to’ site but now I avoid it like ebola.
I am convinced that Russians are disappointed with a “to slow” progress on the ground. I am also convinced that this is based on the qualities of Russian soldier, because if they were on the ground this whole mess would be finished by now.
“I am personally surprised by the fact that the USA, especially, Israel have not already started to denounce an “Iranian invasion of Syria””
Maybe they want Iran to become more deeply involved in the war before they start complaining. Like the Iran-Iraq war or the Soviet war in Afghanistan, the war may be a goal in and of itself for these people.
Obvious contradictions expose the strategy.
The empire wants Iran and everyone else fully embroiled, including both ‘enemies’ like Iran and ‘allies’ like Turkey. War is the lifeblood of fascism.
As Saker says, this won’t be over anytime soon. By design of the AngloZionists, there’s no going back. We should all adjust our perspective accordingly.
Russia must continue on it’s current path and limit use of resources. It will grow stronger each and every day. It must fight to win the long war (maybe 20 years) or immediately tuck tail and accept the loss as they did in Libya before. Since this won’t happened, we all need to extend our horizons and judge events in their longer term context, as does Russian leadership
On this level, Putin and the empire are indeed in cahoots, for a long war, if by this we understand that both sides are in it to win it for however long it takes. This will lead inmature Russophobe libertarians like James Corbett or Redefining God types to WHINE about Putin being a co conspirator with the empire but this is because they are whipped closet Zionists who can’t say the word ‘Jew’ so instead fight cognitive dissonance by replacing it with ‘Russian.’
A turning tide, but much more to be done.
http://sputniknews.com/world/20151217/1031894518/russia-terrorism-war.html
War Against Terrorism Continues in Russia, Backbone Already Broken – Putin
14:10 17.12.2015(updated 14:19 17.12.2015) Get short URL
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Putin’s 2015 Annual Year-End Press Conference (41)
Vladimir Putin said that fight against terror continues in Russia, but the backbone of terrorism has already been broken.
Vladimir Putin said that fight against terror continues in Russia, but the backbone of terrorism has already been broken.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The fight against terror continues in Russia, but the backbone of terrorism has already been broken, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday.
“The war against terror, the manifestations of which we have not yet beaten, but we definitely broke the backbone — this is the outcome,” Putin said at his annual press conference.
“… we definitely broke the backbone — this is the outcome …”
Either
(A) Putin is correctly assessing the situation, or
(B) Putin is making just another “Mission Accomplished” speech ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished_speech ) ;-)
Let’s vote:
If you believe “A”, check here: □
If you believe “B”, check here: □
And let now the Internet rip………..
I’d like to know what the Saker’s take is on what will happen in Turkey this next year. It’s disturbing that they’re waging war on their own civilian population in the east and they have the ability to block ship traffic from the Black Sea. I checked marine traffic and the Dardanelles seems to be quite congested with several ships waiting to get through in the Black Sea but I don’t know whether that’s normal for this time of year or not. (Marine traffic has an app out for anyone interested.)
What’s up with Turkey in 2016? That’s easy, MOAR WAR. They’ll keep killing Kurds in Turkey and down into Iraq and Syria. They’ll keep backing IS, playing middleman for stolen oil and refining Afghan opium into Heroin for the American market. Oh yeah, and laundering money through the EU.
Oh, you mean, “will they close off the black sea?” Well, who knows but they’re a rogue state now so yeah, probably, if they feel like the US still has their back. But who knows, they’re a rogue state so there’s some (minimal) chance that the US will stop backing the Turkish insanity … then all bets are off.
I have enjoyed this article.
Thanks Saker.
Great analysis! In particular, it is key that people on whatever side actually listen to what Putin and the Kremlin leadership say before analysis, rather than create strawmen which are analyzed to death.
On Oct 16th, I summarized 10 of his speeches the previous month into 20 propositions. Whether one agrees with Putin or not, these 20 propositions which have been faithfully followed still hold true.
https://ludwitt.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/reading-what-putin-clearly-and-consistently-says-on-syria/
Ludwig
Mr. Ludwitt:
I followed your link. Looks like it might be an interesting site, except for two things:
1. The site directory, which should be at the top of the screen, is at the bottom. That would not be so bad, except that once you’ve managed to scroll all the way to the bottom, a bunch of articles instantly pops up between where you were and the bottom. So you scroll all the way down again and instantaneously another whole bunch of articles pop up between where you last were and the bottom. It’s impossible to see the directory for more than a fraction of a second before you’re popped halfway back up the screen again. So much for using the directory. Then –
2. It’s impossible to back out of the site. Hitting the “back” key just keeps taking you to more and more and more articles, not back along the path that you took to get to the site and to the specific linked article. Then, when you finally give up and hit the “X” on the tab, you exit both the Ludwitt site and the site from which the link took you to the Ludwitt site.
Your site is interesting, but some repairs are seriously needed.
Reading this, it occurred to me that there is one major advantage the Syrian forces have which Daesh do not, and it has had a surprising impact all along: Institutional legitimacy.
Doesn’t sound like much, does it? But it’s huge. It’s what keeps people in the United States going about their business obeying laws passed by a bunch of people all the citizens, no matter what their political stripe, agree are crooked traitorous scumbags. In the case of Syria versus Daesh, institutional legitimacy is the difference between on one hand being able to maintain an organized army, training system, chain of command, and formal logistical system, with everyone assumed by default to be doing what they’re told and fulfilling the roles they are occupying, and on the other hand having a bunch of ruffians the more ambitious of whom spend half their time looking for opportunities to oust one another in the leadership, who are constantly defecting back and forth to different nominally independent organizations, and who may be tactically effective but cannot depend on different tactical groupings supporting one another in any co-ordinated fashion.
It’s not even about hierarchy. I can envision a radically flattened structure in which most non-instant decisions were made by direct democracy among the troops (mostly not all the troops, but self-selected committees) and officers only led in battle and were elected (as with pirate captains). My point isn’t whether that would be efficient–the point is, as long as it was accepted as the way things were, as long as the structure had institutional legitimacy, people would work within it to the best of their abilities to achieve the goals of the institution. Without institutional legitimacy, people work any which way and to a fair degree to achieve their own goals without regard to the institution, and it’s hard for organization to get past a certain level of crudeness because you can’t count on the bits doing what they’re supposed to.
Daesh uses ideology, fanatical Wahabist Takfirism, as a substitute for institutional legitimacy as a way of keeping everyone pointed in the same direction. It’s certainly better than nothing, and it has other advantages, but it doesn’t really get the job done in important ways.
Purple Library Guy
Excellent post!!
I hope the mods select it for the new thread for comments.
I would just add – much of the terrorist extremism we witness from the takfiris is not ideological/religious at all – it’s meant to keep its subordinates in line.
Coercion at its most primitive and vicious.
The only common theme is the slogan uniting these bunch of miscreants is “Assad Must Go”.
No body seems to know (or care) who comes next in his place — all we know for certain is it will be like Libya etc with just controllable criminal gangs under coercion and with a central bank of the usual banksters.
Maybe the concept of inertia (or in some cases, acedia) might be applied to institutional legitimacy
What Mao–or was it Lenin?– said about all authority proceeding from the barrel of a gun, is the attempt to get the the ball rolling.
This Saker’s piece seem like the perfect response to an aarticle I read last week
http://russia-insider.com/en/curb-your-enthusiasm-part-2-russia-still-not-winning-syria/ri12018
where Jacob Dreizin seems to be suggesting that all this Russian intervention in Syria is simply a waste of time, effort, and lives. I had been hoping that the Saker would respond to such defeatism and Walla, this article is it.
Dreizin, as far as I know is not one of those Anglo-Zionist supporter, but I think he let his anti-war views overcome his common sense. I believe that had Putin not intervened in Syria since September this year, any combination of the following scenarios would have been realized in Syria by now:
1. There would have been a NFZ on Syria, enforced by NATO to make sure Assad is toppled;
2. Assad could have been toppled by now from either (1) as well as the advances of ISIS and other so-called “moderate” rebels
3. Syria would be in total chaos with Assad gone, just like in Libya, where various armed groups, each under it’s own warlord take over various parts of the country;
4. Turkey would be having a good time taking over part of nothern Syria
5. Israel would use this godsend opportunity to solidfy it’s group on Golan Heights
6. There would be even more millions of refugees from Syria
7. ISIS and other “moderate terrorists” would by now start their march into Lebanon.
Is this that Jacob Dreizin wants? I hope not!
What people like Jacob failed to realize is that you cannot sit idly by and let warmongers get their way, and that is exactly what Putin is responding to. Just another point, fact is by acting proactively, it takes away the initiative from the Anglo-zionists. While they still say “Assad must go” on occasions, gone are the 24×7 propaganda of “Assad is a murderer”, “We have a Responsiblity to Protect”, “Assad is using Chemical weapons/ barrel bombs”. why ? because these are the prelude to setting up NFZ and regime change, and now that “regime change” on Syria is no longer available as an option, they also stopped that particular piece of propaganda!
Thanks very much for the update. I feel, however, that the Daesh, or whatever, are not fighting out of religious conviction, but for the money (except for maybe the dumb-ass teens from Austria). And with their supplies of oil money and ammunition diminished, their morale is crumbling. The Blackwater mercenaries in Yemen are being killed on a regular basis, and they are most unhappy. I think the Qatar ‘royalty’ is on the run, and the fat pigs in Riyadh have more or less signed up for their own evictions. And with the Turk madman on the ropes, the mercenaries will soon only have the western press as their backers.
And thank you Nasir for your explanation; most interesting and sincere. After the destruction of the 2nd temple, Judaism went through a transformation away from centrally organized. The system of rabbis is based on 10 men being a legitimate service ( one where the Torah can be discussed). The tithing is such that everyone gets 0.9 paycheck. The rabbi helps with the ‘religious functions’, and arbitrates disputes, and probably jumps the wives of the other men when they’re at work. The Protestant reformation was similar in this regard. The Church of Christ and the pilgrim-derived Congregationalists are still along those lines. Of course, like all good concepts, it has been totally perverted.
Let me rephrase your concluding question; “do you really and sincerely believe that peace can be made with [Exceptionalists]?” For, IMO, that is what the Outlaw US Empire, Nazis, Takfiris and Zionists all share in common, which is why we see them allied with each other.
IMO, Putin made a very daring statement in his UNGA speech, saying essentially No More to the Outlaw US Empire and its allies–words he immediately put into action. IMO, we must put Russia’s Syrian operation into the context of the already existing Third Global War and therein weigh its effectiveness–not just within Syria.
As For Syria, IMO Russia’s intervention has rallied those forces already supporting Syria–in particular Iraq–and has given hope to Kurdish peoples fighting an existential war against Turkey. Yes, many complexities, but not too many. With the UNSC wins, Daesh’s days in Syraq are numbered, with its remainders evacuated to Afghanistan to be used by the Outlaw Empire there. IMO, all brakes must be removed from convicting the Empire and its minions of its sponsorship of Daesh and the rest. It/they may avoid UNSC sanctions through its veto, but as with the World Court conviction regarding its crimes against Nicaragua, the people of the world will know and implement their own boycott.
IMO, the Kurds are the key to early success. Erdogan’s war on them is a harsh blessing as it makes a political settlement between Kurds, Iran, Iraq, and Syria a possibility at the expense of Turkey–and currently, Turkey must be considered a Takfiri nation like Saudi and Zion. Kurds are in the best position to seal the border, and common cause must be made between them and Iran, Iraq, and Syria against the Turks, thus cementing the political settlement.
Few seem to appreciate the enormous importance of Russia’s intervention in Syria against the Outlaw US Empire and the critical imperativeness that it be successful. Long ago I called the Neoliberalcons the Borg as their stated policy is to enslave the planet and its people under a unipolar corporate dictatorship–Vision 2010 and Vision 2020. Given the huge head start, its dominant Propaganda System and parroting vassals, Russia and its allies have a big disadvantage. But even so, the tide’s turning, albeit slowly. There’re many reasons for 2016 to be a watershed year. The forces advocating for the return to law-based relations–what was once called Truth, Justice and the American Way–have lots of evidence proving their case on their side. I don’t think I’m guilty of hyperbole by saying this is an Existential battle for humanity that it must win if it’s to deal with the escalating environmental crises and save itself.
They will only do that when they have enough Congress w****s lined up to guarantee US full scale, boots-on-the-ground intervention.
No way would this cowardly cabal who typically attack defenceless civilians take on the IRG themselves.
I think the article is accurate in its current assessment. Where I disagree is the notion that the mess can be solved through negotiation. You simply can’t negotiate with Wahhabis – they are evil incarnate. The Russian of all people should (and I believe they do) know this courtesy of their own experience exterminating the vermin from Chechnya. There is only one way to deal with Wahhabis – no matter where they are from – exterminate them. I believe Russia is primarily concerned preventing the collapse of Assad’s Syria from a Saudi/Qatari financed Wahhabi nightmare fate. In the meantime, it can keep testing and improving its already fearsome arsenal.
As far as Ukraine is concerned – Russia is patiently waiting for it to collapse – 2016? Russia should then annex Ukraine as it simply cannot continue with NATO posturing in its one-time heartland. By all means give Galicia and Lvov back to the Poles but take back Ukraine proper and Belarus. The Europeans will do nothing – the fear of a nuclear holocaust will shut them up.
In summary, I think Russia’s “moderate” stance in Syria and Ukraine will become more bellicose as their extensive military refitting takes effect. in about 2017/18 the S-500 anti-ballistic missiles along with their strategic and tactical nuclear forces will be ready……In the meantime.I’m moving to Tasmania
Dont be naive in thinking Russia will gain an advantage because of something… That is not going to happen.. All Russia can hope to do is create unacceptable losses..
Great article on how the US will use F22’s to deal with the situation.. While using upgraded F15’s and F18’s as reserves.. If not for Russian nukes there is no chance that nato would not have started their Russian bombing runs sometime last year no mater what conventional defenses Russia puts up. Russia dont have anything conventional to hurt mainland US.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/here-s-the-first-shot-of-the-f-15c-pod-that-will-change-1750314539?rev=1451511678726
Here’s Russia’s S-400 Missile System In Action, And How The U.S. Would Deal With It
Much hyperbole surrounds Russia’s S-400 advanced surface-to-air missile system, which is now being…
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/heres-russias-s-400-missile-system-in-action-and-heres-1746490022
A beautifully written analysis Saker. Some might consider it pessimistic but IMHO, it is well-balanced, honest and clear appraisal of the situation.
Broadly speaking, I don’t disagree with your use of the term Anglo-zionists but I don’t think it gives a complete picture because it doesn’t include a very major player. I am talking about the Papal influence here.
It was the foremost force from the Crusades to the Spanish Inquisition to the conquest of the Americas until the British took over. They are still a significant part of the picture considering the role of South America in the world affairs. The Anglo part of the term obviously doesn’t include it although I don’t think their aims are too diverged from the Anglo-zionist elite.
Oh please, stop being so deliberately inflammatory with your faux ‘
disingenuous’ tone.
It’s Zion-Nazi collaboration 1930s redux.
The *
Jewish* theocracy -Israel – is heavily implicated via its American agents- Nuland most obviously – and dual citizens like K’lo and Poroshenko in the Ukrainian coup.
Its leader, Netanyahoo is openly eyeing the carve up of Syria to Israeli advantage, by demanding legal recognition of Israeli occupied Golan Heights.
As for the Palestinians… Do we have to go there?
Again?
The Jewish theocracy is the main destabilizing agent in the Middle East – just as its British creators intended it to be.
You cannot ignore this.
Would that all Jews were generally assimilated into their respective nations, but they are not. Far too many wealthy and influential Jews are Zionist plotters and supporters of terror, who unduly influence US policy through their Congress w****s. ( Sidney Adelson? Do you think uses his ill-gotten fortune for global good?
Its only the strong tradition of Jewish dissent – Einstein most famously, latterly Chomsky, Atmon etc – that stop rampant Judeaophobia against the blameless assimilated Jews.
But really, the latter are so much more numerous . So why are not hearing so much more from them?
I hope this will change.
I think its beginning to.
Why not be a part of that change yourself instead of complaining about non-existent animosity to Jews on this blog? Try Stormfront if you want confirmation bias: The Vineyard of the Saker is not going to provide it.
Um, the above comment was addressed to AEM.
Don’t know how it migrated here – reply glitch I guess.
Again.
:(
Hi Eimar, I guess the website just does so many ‘replies’ before it goes to the edge of the page again.
I was wondering who you were speaking to….I guess the best solution is to always start your comments with the name of the person you are speaking to.
Have a good year Eimar…
Ann
Eimar, “Faux disingenuous” would mean… sincere. Yes, I am sincere in wishing people would take the trouble to make the distinction between Jewish and Zionist. It is a distinction with a difference that could make a difference. Whenever opponents of Israel express hatred and contempt (not obvious what the point of that is), but employ the term “Jews”, it must sound to Jews as if they are under attack yet again from Jew-haters, especially when they are also told that they launched a genocide, brought Russia low, are destroying Ukraine, control the world’s banking and finance, manipulate the sole superpower…(quite a conspiracy to manage while pursuing their careers, bringing up their families, enjoying their leisure, seeking the meaning of life, observing the Sabbath!) It is possible to provide a useful analysis of geopolitics and Israel’s malign part in it, as the Saker does, without the need to fire yourself up with sloganising against Jews (pretty pointless against Zionists as well, come to that – better to analyse the problem and work out what to do, which, again, is what the Saker usually does). Righteous indignation too easily becomes habitual bigotry.
But AEM, Jews, ie the powerful Jewish Fifth Columns, using raw money power, DO control the West, the USA in particular. The subservience of the US Administration and Congress are plain to see in the groveling before AIPAC and Netanyahu, the USA’s billions in annual tribute and ceaseless efforts to protect Israel from International Law. Jewish control of US finance is undeniable, as is the preponderance of Jews in the Federal Reserve and US Treasury. Similarly Jewish ownership and control of the MSM and entertainment is incontrovertible. All from a mere 2% of the population. Why on Earth do you bother simply denying incontestable facts, rather like an anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialist? Don’t you ever stop to think that such simple denial, usually accompanied by abuse labeling the interlocutor as an ‘antisemite’, does more to create antipathy towards Jews and suspicions regarding their motives and intentions than anything else?
What’s with the anti-Jewish rhetoric here?
Freedom of Speech. ‘Je Suis Charlie’ and all that.
Yes, a long war indeed spanning the globe and on many fronts; from the economic on through cyber and then to overt and covert military operations as the world divides into two economic systems, the western IMF-SDR debt = money system and an eastern gold backed currency which may or may not be a debt = money system or something else which seeks to limit speculation as a debt driven economy. Michael Hudson and Steve Keen could help explain this much more clearly. Which system draws the greater members and is more robust will spell the finish of the other system eventually and its capitulation. IMHO.
You shouldn’t need Michael Hudson to tell you that fiat money will never compete with an actual gold standard. If that’s what you see as a competition, just wait until Russia and China dump their US bonds as the yuan goes onto the gold standard. Why do you think that China has been buying tons of gold?
I’ve been programming since the 70s and let me you tell you, most of the cyber crap is propaganda. Do you seriously think North Korea actually hacked Sony? I don’t. I think it was a bunch of no-life script kiddies who latched onto the exploits of the 1% of hackers that can hack anything they want. That whole “it can only be state-sponsored” crap is crap. The only thing that was really impressive about Stuxnet was that they knew how to control industrial equipment, which, um, like, 100,000 people can do. Yes, Stuxnet was CIA, it’s obvious by the motive.
Whew, I need to chill. Really, it’s not personal but I get annoyed with all the lies about economics and computers. Just sayin’, even Stuxnet isn’t really that impressive, let alone the run of the mill crap that gets blamed on enemies of the US. Yes, there really is a cyberwar but it doesn’t look like what you think it is.
A Critic
There has been a lot of work done on the pros and cons of different monetary standards, which I won’t pretend to be expert in. Two problems with a gold standard historically, I think: inflation/deflation becomes tied to the discovery of new mines (if there is not sufficient new supply, there is deflation through prolonged recession); and an international gold standard acts like a permanently fixed exchange rate system…like the euro (in other words, real shocks that hit economies in different ways can make the exchange rate at which a country fixed look wrong – again there can be deflationary recession or inflationary boom). I seem to recall that the gold standard after WW1 was weakened by the failure of the individual members to follow the rules. There seems no way to way to ensure compliance. There are alternatives like bimetallism or a commodity basket. None I think is considered clear winner. Fiat money is the cheapest and can work as effectively, although it is politically easier for government to exploit. The main benefit I suppose of other than fiat money as now instituted is to break the U$ monopoly on international transactions and the leeway it allows the Fed.
It has been a long war but I dont think It will be a war much longer, this includes Ukraine, Middle east, Africa, etc. All the signs point to everything leading into a head on collision. All of the active parties are being forced into Syria. Russia’s old enemies are being concentrated into one location which could be a coincidence or careful planning, and the final battle is on the horizon, ie Armageddon. The victor of this battle which I believe will be a short one will determine the course of the rest of humanity and all of the signs point to a good future.
@ LEO,
Yes, it does seem so. And all I can say in honesty is: I hope that you are right.
The people trying to create a different “reality” by claiming Russia is failing in Syria are practicing a well known psyops tactic, or dupes following others practicing the tactic. These kinds of negativity spamming is designed to demoralise people.
The zionazis are going at Russia any way they can, and this includes trying destroy any support Russia has among people stuck in the zionazis’ colonies.
infographic: Syrian Arab Army only published casualties in Dec against IS. Total= 310, most casualties in Homs.
https://twitter.com/TRACterrorism/status/683501573465571328
IS is an equal opportunity blower upper.. “Vee Blow, U up”….. Christians a specialty… 61 suicide car bombs in dec 2015…
ISIS SVBIEDs Dec 2015 32% Iraqi forces, 7% Syrian oppo groups, 22% Syrian army, 29% YPG Kurds, 10% Pesh
https://twitter.com/TRACterrorism/status/683293904423235584
Hi Saker ! Happy New Year for you and your family, and dogs…. your quote
“…: do you really and sincerely believe that peace can be made with Nazis and Takfiris? Do you think that either group will simple “give up” their delusional insanity and become a “normal” political force? Or do you really believe that only liberating the Donbass and Syria of these shaitans and leave them in control of the rest of the Ukraine/Middle-East will really bring peace to the Donbass or Syria?
The truth is that the war in the Ukraine will only end when all of the Ukraine is liberated, just as the war in the Middle-East will only end when all of the Middle-East is liberated. You might not like this notion – I sure don’t – but reality has never been dependent on our likes or dislikes. This will be a long war.”
I guess the only real way to stop Nazi and Takfiri is through the money…neither of these groups are self-sufficient..even if the Takfiris have supposedly taken the oil fields…but they have so much foreign help with this its pathetic.
So again, its the money….it seems like everywhere on the planet..its the money…
The USA’s bankers…I guess what we really need is to take down Wall Street and the Bank of England, and Israeli’s Zion….how to do that is the key question.
This is what Penelope always stated – along with the fact that Russia is also owned by the World Bank / IMF & is making no attempt to extricate itself…
America used the term “Assad must go”. What atrocities did Assad commit against his own people? Are the West making things up or was Assad brutal and ruthless. Any accurate info would be much appreciated.
Darren, I would start with the overview. Someone else may supply the specifics of insurgency, justice or injustice within Syria in the last decade. However, a competent view of such questions must be seen in the wider strategic context of imperial strategy.affecting Syria, the Middle East, and beyond.
For sure, the greater crime than anything done by any ruler in any of these countries were the announcements by Tony Blair, as mouthpiece for the Anglo-American imperial elite, on several occasions over the last two decades of “The End of the Westphalian Age.” That was an evil, imperial announcement of the horrors to come, but the public, ignorant of history (The Peace of Westphalia ended a vicious cycle of religious warfare in Europe) allowed this evil to be pronounced with no widespread outrage or opposition. Blair repeatedly announced an explicit attack on the principle of national sovereignty justifying imperial interference in the internal affairs of nations under the rubric of R2P or Responsibility to Protect, and made an evil policy sound good..
With this obvious ruse, the Empire, at will, could target any government from Iraq to Syria to Russia itself by finding ways of financing internal violent opposition and then declaring (imperial) “responsibility to protect” (with no fly zones, etc) those criminal elements from the national governments’ attempts to defend its own internal law and order. The goal:Color revolution, regime change.. Resistance and defense of national sovereignty are painted as “killing his own people” and the real perpetrators go free to repeat the same formula in the next victim state.
Place the specifics of Qaddafi, Assad, etc in this context, and realize that while mistakes might be made in government reaction to violent provocations, the crime of instigation of regime change is the primary cause and evil at work.
re: Primary objective: stabilize the legitimate authority and create conditions for a political compromise
Pardon my cynicism, but this sounds disingenuous. There is no political compromise possible in the normal sense. Bones can be thrown to losers perhaps, but what compromise can be between a) Syria staying together as one state and b) Syria being broken up into many states? What compromise is possible between a) Assad and his cohorts must go immediately and b) an election can be held with Assad running that he will win?
So, just as with Minsk, the Kremlin uses diplomacy the way everyone else does. With the truth hidden behind nice words. What Russia has actually been doing is to tell Syria’s enemies that Syria is going to win, so it would be profitable for them to save face by pretending to fight Daesh or some other maneuver, such as creating a new opposition group that some small number of Western puppets can join and make the political settlement seem real. But it is largely a smokescreen. It looks like the good guys are going to win in this case, though Iraq and Turkey are open to all kinds of possible outcomes.
For the Russia sucks crowd… Dec 15, 2013
SU34 bombing fumble.. more like kicking yourself… hopefully they fixed it..
https://twitter.com/vpkivimaki/status/682702074073710592
“You might not like this notion”
I like it. I always used to say that only defeat can stop this madness.
We had witness already that – the German War machine during WW2, invincible they thought.
Only when they’re were defeated they’re realized.
“This will be a long war”
Russia would not survived, not from an external factor but internal.
For that reason a very aggressive posture is needed, even incl a nuclear strike.
It’ about survival, and let’s remember that the war has been ALREADY declared.
Russia is not here an aggressor even if they use nukes first.
There are Many People who think that the Real Reason for the President of Turkey wanting a Presidential System based on Hitler’s Germany has Very Little to do with Democracy, and it has More to do with being a Method to achieve a Caliphate based in ISIL Turkey, and that is Euphemistically called a Presidency for the sake of Deceiving ordinary Citizens of NATO and the European Union at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/ .
At the same time, Nazi Germany has been given the Presidency of the Euphemistically called Organization for Security and Cooperation and in Europe or OSCE, and Many People think that this was Not a mere coincidence, because Turkey and Germany are Long Time Traditional Allies who want to Dictate to Continental Europe and the Middle East and North Africa.
We know that on Paper, the Turkish Presidency is a Ceremonial Presidency, but in Reality, there are People who think that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan could Easily be the Real Dictator and Caliphate of ISIL Turkey, who is Pretending to be subject to the Turkish Parliament, that is subject to President Erdogan of ISIL Turkey.
There are People who think that Erdogan Deliberately said what he did, because this worked in Hitler’s Germany to Divide Germans into Nazis and Non Nazis, and we Know what happened to Many of the Non Nazis.
There are People who think that Caliphate Erdogan’s made his Subliminal statement of Intimidation to Divide the Citizens of Turkey and surrounding Countries and even the European Union into ISIL and Non ISIL People.
As Usual Turkey is Germany’s Staunch Ally in that Region, even as Turkey who committed Genocide on the Armenian People was Germany’s Staunch Ally in WW 1 and WW 2.
Even though Turkey had signed the Anglo-French-Turkish Treaty of 1939, it did Not honour that Treaty, and in 1941 it signed a Friendship Treaty with Nazi Germany, and Turkey supplied Germany with strategic raw materials for Nazi Aggression on Europe, because Turkey was hoping to Recreate the Evil Ottoman Empire to the extent possible with Germany as its Ally, and ISIL Turkey hopes to do the same today, with the help of Nazi Germany and Terrorist Anglo-America at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire#/media/File:OttomanEmpireIn1683.png .
After looking at that map, then we can see that this was the Reason for the break up of Yugoslavia, and attempts at Independence for Kosovo and attempts at a Greater Albania, and the Arab Spring was Also needed to Recreate the Evil Ottoman Empire, which would be slightly different to the one on the map, but it would be similar in many ways.
Everyone knows that Terrorist Genocidal Anglo-America are Killers with a Compliant Euro-American Puppet Media that Lies and Whitewashes Terrorist Anglo-America’s War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.
The Fourth Reich needs the Ottoman Empire, and the Ottoman Empire needs Nazi Germany, and so they are Allies.
We know that when Anglo-America and their Allies and Puppets speak of ISIL, they have to Pretend to be Enemies, and so this needs to be Understood, because Anglo-America cannot say that they are Funding and Supporting their Secret Allies of ISIL,
Terrorist Anglo-America, Nazi Israel, and Nazi Germany wants Turkey to join the European Union, but there could some European Union Countries who are against this, because Turkey is occupying Cypress who is a European Union Country.
Erdogan’s Caliphate Commits Aggression against Sovereign States, gives Material Support for International Terrorism, and Systematic Violates Human Rights, and has made itself want to be Beyond any Criticism or Democratic Accountability at https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Dec-28/329214-turkey-detains-teen-for-insulting-erdogan-on-facebook.ashx .
The European Union Elites want Millions of Refugees from Middle Eastern Countries in the European Union, so that they can make the European Union a Police State, and a Military Dictatorship for WW 3 against Russia, and this is Euphemistically called More Europe, and some People are hoping that the Prime Minister of Greater Nazi England only said that he wants Turkey to join the European Union, because this is a Delaying Tactic to Deal with a New Hitler in ISIL Turkey, but Many People Know that the European Union Elites are Nazis.
It is a Fact that People react Differently to the same event, and this is Proved by how France had Callous Nazi Collaborators and France had Resistance Fighters during WW 2 Nazi Occupation.
There would be Many Middle Eastern Refugees who would want Good Paying Jobs in the European Union to Compensate them for what Nazi Euro-America did to their Countries and to their Relatives and Friends, but the the Good News is that Majority of Middle Eastern Refugees would Not think of want to purchase bombs for European Union Cities for Not having Good Paying Jobs as Compensation, but we Know that People react Differently to the same event, and Perhaps some of the Traditional White Europeans may want some of those Jobs, because they think that they are Entitled to them at http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/14178741.Syrian_refugees_____It_feels_like_we_never_left_our_families_back_in_Syria_because_of_the_warm_welcome_we_received_in_Scotland_/ , and All Syrians Know the Truth of Syria, and do Not rely on Lying Western Media for their Information.
The European Union is Committing Genocide on the Syrian Refugees, because Many of these Syrian Refugees want to Return to their own Country which they Love, and because they are Homesick for Syria, and they Know that they Belong in Syria.
The European Union is Committing Genocide on the Syrian People, because it is helping the ISIL Terrorists, and the European Union is saying that the Innocent in Syria are guilty, and that the Guilty in Syria are innocent, and that the Guilty Perpetrators of Terrorism are the innocent victims of terrorism, and that the Innocent Victims of Terrorism are the guilty perpetrators of terrorism, and this is Unnecessarily Delaying the Return of the Syrian Refugees back to their Country that they Love, and where they Yearn to be.
The European Union is Also Committing Genocide on the Syrian People in Syria, because the European Union are placing Economic Sanctions on Syria, and they are doing this for Unjustifiable and Illegitimate reasons.
There is one Great Problem that the European Union has, and that is because they are not Vegans, then the young Europeans who should be Working and paying Taxes will die of Chronic Health Diseases like Heart Attacks, Stokes, Dementia, Obesity, and Diabetes, or they will need a Nursing Home, when they should be caring for the Elderly in Nursing Homes, and some People think that having Refugees come to the European Union Countries will ensure that the Elderly and the Sick younger Non Vegan Europeans will receive good care and live a long life in the Nursing Homes of the European Union.
There could be some People who think that Hitler may seen certain benefits in Not wanting his True Dictatorship, if he had been given at least one persuasive argument against Nazi Totalitarianism to begin WW 2 at https://www.google.com.au/search?q=pistol&biw=1120&bih=639&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis-8zxwI3KAhViqqYKHasVDL8Q_AUIBigB .
It is Vital in a Democracy that Everyone agrees that their Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, and that Everyone accepts the Election Result, and that there Must be No coercion for having an early Election, and that the Constitution can be changed with a Referendum, All Syrian Citizens have Equality before the Law, and can stand for Any public Office at Any Syrian Election.
This is necessary during peace time to maintain the peace, but it is Vital when a Country is under attack from ISIL Terrorists, and this is accepted by All of the Legal and Legitimate Patriotic Political Parties of Syria.
The Legitimate Opposition Political Parties in Syria Agree with this, and those who do Not agree with this are Acting as Treasonous Terrorists, because they Know that they can Never receive a Majority of the Votes, and so Terrorism is their Only way to Achieve their Anti Human and Anti Freedom Evil Agendas, and for this they are supported by Nazi Euro-America.
The Armed Syrian Opposition Political Parties have the Options of continuing to Commit Treason and Terrorism against the Syrian People, and against Essential Democratic Principles, and against the Syrian Constitution, or of fighting against Terrorism as an Ally of the Syrian People in Cooperation with the Syrian Government, or they can Disarm and become Civilians.
There are Many People who think that Only those Countries who are Just will be the ones that will Cooperate with the Legitimate Democratically Elected Syrian Government, and with its Armed Forces who are Valiantly Fighting against Terrorism, because they say that this will Provide Proof that these Countries are against Terrorism, that they Respect the Sovereignty of Nations, and that they are Committed to International Law.
@The Fourth Reich needs the Ottoman Empire, and the Ottoman Empire needs Nazi Germany, and so they are Allies.
The equation is much simpler. The alliance of Judaized Europe with Islam is much older. It starts with the very creation of ‘Europe’ (the Reich of Charlemagne) and was directed at the subjugation of the ‘Old Europe’ which became the Christian Roman Empire and then of the heir of the Christian Roman Empire, Russia. From time to time they seemed to be in conflict, but they never failed to be on the same side when it came to fighting Russia.
Could somebody good in Russian translate this documentary (Миропорядок). Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNhYzYUo42g
let’s link the dots :
we have : Nazis ….. Judeo-Nazis …. Takfiri Nazis …. All supported by Anglozionist ( some might say “White Men of European descent ” ) Empire ….hmmmm interesting
Agreed. The world is in this for the long haul… which is the most difficult thing for Westerners to simply grasp.
Only in old, civilizational states do people still live, today, grateful to generations past and caring for the common good of generations to come. Literally born for the long haul, it is they who stand the best chance to ultimately subsist and prevail, outliving this crumbling world and today’s self-destructive Empire.
No figures of Pakistan or Afghanistan or Iran.. Even though both sunni’s and shia from all 3 countries fight with the SAA/IRGC against the terrorists.. But the largest Muslim communities in the world produce the least number of IS fighters..
Indonesia 700 from 200 million muslims
France is 1,700;
Russia, 2,400;
United States, 150;
Tunisia, 6,000.
Malaysia 100 from Muslim-majority country
India 23 out of 177 million Muslims.
SA 2500
Turkey 2100
Jordan 2000
Indeed, the countries that send the largest numbers of foreign fighters to Syria and Iraq, either in absolute terms or on a per-capita basis, tend to be either politically repressive (Saudi Arabia, 2,500 fighters), politically unstable (Tunisia, 6,000 fighters), discriminatory toward a Muslim minority (Russia, 2,400 fighters), or a combination of the above.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/isis-indonesia-foreign-fighters/422403/?utm_source=SFTwitter
saker’s analysis still have this mood “russia did not win until now, and I was right from the beginning”.
– imagne what would have happend if the russians would not have placed ther tiny strike force there
– the initiative changed from isis to saa et al.
– financing of the goat f. is about break down
– all these fsa is just cosmetics, if these videos available about their fighting capabilites are onlx 20% true
– no Nato invervention
– only dire results for saudia arabia
– no choping apart syriy by isreal, turky, jordania, kurds,…
additionally
– testing area for new weapons
– testing area for new strategies
– testing area for new russian foreces
– presentation of nice new stuff
very litte investment very big gain!
the russian intervention in Syria has the following strategic goals : – to achieve a political victory by standing on the right side of the international law,to test the air force and navy in real combat operations with minimal risks meanwhile observing the potential enemies and finally to prepare for the real combat wich is to come in Ukraine.By the way,what is more dangerous,Syria or Ukraine – as a potential huge battlefield for Russia ? so,we can say that another goal is to buy time to prepare for the real one.
Or possibly a short one. If the stakes are raised to a level that becomes completely intolerable for those occupying the high ground morally.
Just love The Saker community! I learn so much from The Saker including everyone’s comments I wish I could do this for a living .. just study and learn about all the different topics that’s being discussed here on a daily basis. This comment is just to say thank you to The Saker including everybody in the community that share their vast knowledge and in depth analysis of what is happening in the world today. Sometimes it makes me feel helpless and angry as I start understanding what is really going on .. I think it is endless, it will never stop all these wars evil is and always will be part of society. The question I am asking is what can I do as an individual in this world to fight against this evil? Everyone of us .. I cant write like The Saker, I don’t have the knowledge of half of the people here .. or the influence. I live in South Africa we are not that powerful when it comes to the world stage, I feel handicapped! What I do have is understanding and ability, the ability to be capable of doing anything I put my mind to, however I need guidance! Anyone’s input would be awesome, I want to be involved, help support and lead. That said, brilliant analysis again Mr Saker, lots of love from Africa!
Thank you RSAninja – I am sure the Saker appreciates your kind comments and that you are learning from the site. It is good you have found the Saker community.
IS THE U.S. NAVY DEPLOYED FOR WW3?
I was shocked to see the latest map of the positions of the U.S. nuclear carrier fleet published by SouthFront. In normal circumstances about half of the 10 Nimiz class nuclear aircraft carriers are out to sea, while the rest are in port or in maintenance. On December 31 only CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman is in the Persian Gulf waging the phoney war against ISIS.
The U.S. carrier fleet is good for waging neocolonial wars against third world countries. It is less useful against superpower enemies like Russia and China. In a hot war with with Russia all U.S. carriers within striking distance from Russia would be sunk in the first hours of the war by Russian submarines or air-launched long-range missiles.
Is the U.S. saving its carriers by keeping them safely in port. Is the U.S. Navy preparing for World War 3?
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For comparison, see this map from November 20, 2015: five carriers are out to sea.
Now published at Fort Russ:
Is the U.S. Navy Deployed for WW3?
I should have actually written “Is the U.S. Navy preparing for a shooting war with Russia? Destroying a carrier is not yet all out WW3 or nuclear war. It is an important step on the escalation ladder, one that Russia could use in response to US aggression but one that does not necessarily lead to further escalation. By withdrawing the carriers the U.S. is depriving Russia of an important deterrent.
Any realistic military doing an operation considers several scenarios. So the Russians MOD will have had several scenarios as well.
Almost certainly they will have had an optimistic scenario that was not realized. Syrian troops are sometimes disappointing and territorial gains have been small.
On the other side the non-ISIS rebels are rather weak. In the spring of 2015 there were already speculations that once the government gained control over Aleppo the opposition might break down. It was in reaction to those speculations that Saudi Arabia and Turkey joined their operations, forced the formation of the Jaish al-Fatah alliance and enormously increased their support for the rebellion.
At the moment the main goal of Russia and the Syrian government seems to strengthen its control over the area that it controls and to make it less vulnerable to attacks. Homs is now nearly fully under government control and they are making great steps in the Damascus area too. The situation around Aleppo is less clear. What may count is that Aleppo is a less attractive place to conquer as it is so destroyed.
One of the reasons why it is so hard to see a grand strategy on either side is that the nature of the war is to attack where the other side is weak. So when the government strikes at location A then it will have brought in some troops from other places that as a consequence are weak. And sure enough the rebels will make an attack at those places – both to divert pressure from spot A and to exploit the local weaknesses of the government. These opportunistic attacks make the course of the war hard to predict.
Your question should be addressed to the policy-makers of Israel – they are the ones pursuing a Jew-centric immigration policy ( to ensure demographic hegemony.)
I wasn’t aware the ‘state’ of Israel was conceived as a homeland (through it was already the homeland of the indigenous Palestinians) for any religious denomination: certainly current policy gives no indication of anything other than a Jew-centric social, political and economic hegemony over the land of Palestine.
So on what basis does the ‘right of return’ operate?
If you have any useful links to point to this multi-denominational genesis I would greatly appreciate it.
Because it seems I, along with the rest of the world, have been harbouring a delusion about the state of Israel all this time.,
It’s highly deceptive to call the Syria war “someone else’s war”. It’s never been Syria’s war. Syria is just the current location of the latest battle in the long war of the Hegemon against humanity.
Thanks for the update saker.
For the record-i think in ongoing discussions re comments on jews’/israeli involment it would b more favorable to id this group as “zionists.” It’s not “antisemitic”-as many jews will take offense to the mention of “jews”-as if they r chosen by god or favoredor other religions. Zionists however, is a term for the involvement of a group of self-involved men caring more about playing “risk” militarily with innocent lives & land grabs-than any religious affil.
The Russian ex-military now correspondent talks about claims by Russian air force poor PR implying deception. He gives an example where the RuAF calim that they struck an oil refinery and they show what appears to be a sewage works. People have a mental image of oil refineries being large extensive site with very complex pipe and storage facilities, such as this:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1999076/images/o-BP-REFINERY-WHITING-facebook.jpg
In Syria under ISIS, they are very different and ad-hoc. This is more typical, near Idlib:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_800x600/HT/p2/2015/12/28/Pictures/southern-photo-countryside-marchmarin-working-refinery-makeshift_9be7948e-ad33-11e5-894a-943651415dff.jpg
Oil is also not only distributed in disguised tankers, it is distributed by the individual oil barrel, and even by plastic 5-gallon containers. These small containers are carried by hand across the border from one tanker to another if it is not possible to driver directly over the border.
http://opstatic.com/img/usermedia/BOs8QL6VTkKdYajRhA6aJg/w320-h240.png
Well, from my time on this blog, I have always been wise enough to not meddle in the threads where the subject of the Jews was being commented, always seeing endless arguments leading to loops where nobody approached positions and all remained thinking the same thing than before saying anything.
Then, once I tried to defend a single Jew of what seemed to me an attack by someone and then the fun of another, and almost half ( well, I am exaggerating but I had not a good night at all ) of the average audience of the blog dropped above me, when I do not think that during the time I’ve been here, there is any doubt about my position on the adventures of the government of the state of Israel and its ramifications throughout the world, as I have reported timely, when I felt and had the chance.
Now, I do not think the average Israelis have more guilt than average Americans through the exploits of those who govern them, at least is not in their hand to stop them, unless all unite against the elite that controls everything , and yet, Americans are not anywhere near the subject of derogatory generalizations and attacks that are directed against the Jews or, if you will, the Jews who are also Israelis.
Well, what a pity gives me everything, perhaps it is not a good day for me, but, it’s Christmas, at least here at home, rather than unite, to defend us from those who destroy our life, we are dedicated to look for differences and offend each other.
I, as I have said some times, I have not had the pleasure of having met a Jew, everything will come, but having traveled a bit, I know that there are good people everywhere, and even in all forums, and neither always good officials are so good, nor bad officials are so bad, even in a Russophile and Antizionist blog such as this.
It’s the same thing about Stalin, I’m sure there are others with the same death toll or even higher, and they are gone and and are going to go scot-free.
The other day, looking for a song to post here I came across this one, which have always liked. Until now, I had never known what the lyrics mean, but I could imagine it was a message of peace. I put it here to all people of good will who will understand why I do it, those who do not, you can start to tear my skin to strips, but hurry up, you arrive at the remains ….
Never mind, enjoy, each one whatever was your taste……
Halleluyah La Olam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB_snXcwiKw
Europe a History : by Norman Davies , on page 1045 of the paper back version of the book there is a quote by A Hitler. ” It is untrue that I ,or anyone in Germany ,wanted the war in 1939. It was desired and instigated solely by those International Statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or who worked for Jewish interests……I die with a happy heart, aware of the immeasurable deeds of our soldiers at the front….Above all, I charge the leaders of the Nation….. to scrupulous observation of the laws of race , and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples , international Jewry”
Winston Churchill remained famous for what was taken as a profound description of the unpredictability, capriciousness of Russia. “It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma”. It was and still is taken as meaning: “Who can figure out that crazy nation?”, which is pure BS.
Actually, this ‘bon mot’ was taken out of context. What Churchill really said was in fact, the proof that he perfectly understood Russian policies. He said that in his address to the Parliament on the 1st October 1939.
“I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest. It cannot be in accordance with the interest of the safety of Russia that Germany should plant itself upon the shores of the Black Sea, or that it should overrun the Balkan States and subjugate the Slavonic peoples of South Eastern Europe, That would be contrary to the historic life-interests of Russia.
Thus, my friends, at some risk of being proved wrong by events, I will proclaim tonight my conviction that the second great fact of the first month of the war is that Hitler, and all that Hitler stands for, have been and are being warned off the east and the southeast of Europe.
Here I am in the same post as I was 25 years ago. Rough times lie ahead; but how different is the scene from that of October, 1914! Then Russia had been laid low at Tannenberg; then the whole might of the Austro-Hungarian Empire was in the battle against us; then the brave, warlike Turks were about to join our enemies. Then we had to be ready night and day to fight a decisive sea battle with a formidable German fleet almost, in many respects, the equal of our own. We faced those adverse conditions then; we have nothing worse to face tonight. We may be sure that the world will roll forward into broader destinies.
We may remember the words of old John Bright, after the American Civil War was over, when he said to an audience of English working folk: “At last after the smoke of the battlefield had cleared away, the horrid shape which had cast its shadow over the whole continent had vanished and was gone forever”.
Churchill might have had a lot of flaws, but he was a consumed politician, even a statesman, let’s give him due credit. He knew, in detail, what he was talking about. Naturally, he was acting in the British Empire national interest, which would explain his apparent contradictions and backstabbings!
He did clearly understand (was prepared for that by the whole school of Sir Halford Mackinder), that Russia would never permit a Ukraine in the hands of the ‘West’, whoever that West was.
So, today Russia’s interest is the same. Ukraine is the main battleground. Syria or other faraway countries are related to the drama that unfolds in Ukraine. They are diversions to goad Russia into a costly conflict which would ultimately weaken the principal front. So, Russia would not let herself be drawn into such conflict. But what she does, fortifying the Syrian statehood, is enough to interdict the transformation of the Middle East into a base of operations for the larger goals of ‘controlling the heartland’. The national interest of the Anglo-Zionist Empire is to prevent a coming together of the extremities of Eurasia by means of terrestrial transportation and cooperative exploitation of Siberian resources. That was said by Mackinder himself, the possibilities opened by the construction of the Trans-Siberian was a direct threat to the maritime commerce of the Empire! Russia and China would not permit that either. The control of the heartland is projection of power enough in itself!
This is the policy of the neo-cons (Trotskyite), to prevent any coalition that might threaten the Anglo-Zionist hegemony. The difference is that the neo-cons remained prisoners of the Trotskyite purview of Russia. They renounced to keep themselves informed of what is really going on in Russia. Only recently the Washington Post was complaining that:
“Washington’s lack of understanding of its one-time chief adversary is proving to be a critical national security risk.
Top intelligence and national security officials — including the top general of NATO — have warned that the United States’ depth of knowledge and capacity for collecting information on Russia is not up to snuff, given the stakes of the conflicts at hand and the threat an unpredictable Kremlin poses to U.S. interests.
Experts, lawmakers and former administration officials describe a national security apparatus that, once teeming with experienced Russia specialists, including at the highest levels of decision-making, now relies on looser regime of more junior experts who lack the reach to directly influence policy. The result, they say, is a series of missed opportunities to anticipate Moscow’s recent moves in areas such as Ukraine and Syria, even when clues were readily available”. And all due to “a lack of funds for foreign language instruction at universities, a reduction in funding for cultural exchange programs with former Soviet states and the recent evisceration of a grant program for advanced research on Russia and its neighbors as signs of why the government is having trouble developing a corps of Russia specialists.”
The dominant thinking is: “Russia’s a very hard target in just about every way: they’re sophisticated electronically, they have good operational security and the decision-makers in this very authoritarian regime are a very small circle [around Putin], “It makes predicting difficult.” That amounts to say that: “That’s actually just a way of saying because he hasn’t told us his strategy, we can’t figure it out — when it takes some time and effort, and some expertise,” said Fiona Hill, director of the Brookings Institution’s Center on the United States and Europe and a former intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia at the National Intelligence Council.” Russia is not “transparent”!
MOSCOW, January 2. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has relieved of their duties members of the Russian Foreign Ministry board: Russia’s Permanent Representative to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Alexander Lukashevich and former director of the legal department of the ministry Kirill Gevorgyan, who was elected to the International Court in The Hague. The relevant order was posted Saturday on the official portal of legal information. Instead of Lukashevich and Gevorgyan, Putin appointed directors of two Foreign Ministry departments – Alexander Pankin (international organizations department) and Mikhail Ulyanov (department on nonproliferation and arms control). Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov chairs the Foreign Ministry board. The governing body also comprises the minister’s deputies and other senior diplomats. The board considers the most important issues of the ministry’s activity.
More:
http://tass.ru/en/politics/848205
not sure where to post this but wondered what the implications are………………..
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http://www.anna-news.info/node/50553
summary of events in Syria til yesterday, report with maps, plus fortruss is carrying a translated report too an overview of last 3 months
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/3-months-since-beginning-of-russian.html
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One of the attractions of this remarkable site is the number and nature of the comments. In the instance, the objectors to the “nauseous mix of Nazis and Jews” prove more by their objection than by what they are objecting to. If, hypothetically, a situation had developed where the Saker would find it necessary to lament a “nauseous mix of Nazis and Italians”, there would be very many Italians who would approve of the lamentation in glowing terms. Not because they are self-haters, but because they would agree that the judgment is correct for the hypothetical Italians, who hypothetically mixed with the Ukrainian Nazis.
Judaism is a curious and unique amalgam of religion and politics, which can be manipulated in all sort of ways, provided that Judaism is untouched. Or rather, Judaism is a racist ideology that condemns as racist anyone who exposes the racism of the ideology. As many have already pointed out, this position has worked wonders for the Zionists who, realistically, occupy and control most of the levers of US government, US entertainment and US media. We may bow or recognize their inherent ability – but those who are aware of the Jewish tenets about the “chosen people” and the Torah specific demeaning reference to all “others”, can, justifiably, ask themselves how or where all this will end.
Not that the Old Testament is much better. The Anglo-American philosopher Tom Paine wrote, “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the work of the demon, than the word of God.”
Hollywood produces (for worldwide consumption), the most perverse version of entertainment, with the excuse that “it is what the people want”. Whereas we are dealing with a top-down imposition of official ideology masquerading as a representative of popular taste.
How cannot one unlink these facts from their factors? Many of us, for example, would like an explanation as to why none of the 515 or so US senators and congressmen raised a beep against the Gaza genocide. Where I live, a promotional campaign was launched recently on all the buses, with big signs saying, “Israel, land of the Jews for 3000 years.” Which, many argue, is a historical lie.
All this prompts an adverse reaction which would occur even if the authors of the Gaza genocide and the bus advertisers were Ugandans. Particularly if, on top of it all, Ugandans claimed to be God’s chosen people.
Zionists do not realize (or maybe they do and like it), that their attitude prompts negative reactions even when the reactions, at least in my view, are not justified. For example, I visited the Soviet Union when very young, and later I had occasion to travel there a few times for my work. Call it an effect of youth, of not being an actual citizen etc. but I found it the opposite of what the general Western media portrayed the nation to be. And I actually liked it.
I felt the same about what I came to know of the DDR through my visits. I did not know that many Jews were part of the original Russian revolutionary governmental set-up. I believe that the revolutionaries should not have killed the Tsar, but I was not there. Revolutions are not a piece of cake, and I do not feel like condemning the Soviet Union on the ground of the strong Jewish presence among the original revolutionaries – though, from what I read, the situation changed pretty quickly.
In fact many Western European countries indirectly owe to the meager contributions of the USSR to the local communist parties, the social advances and general protections and rights, now dismantled in the name of “efficiency” and “austerity.” Were it not for the fear of removing their ass from their comfortable ruling positions, the capitalist-oriented politicians would not have agreed to the social reforms.
What is, in my view, even more disgusting, is that the current European “austerity” promoters and “defenders of Israel” are turncoats who have the gall to call themselves the “Left.” But this would be yet another story.
Happy New Year to all.
Thanks a lot for your testimony about the USSR, as valid as any other, or even more, because it is based on direct observation of the lifestyle at that time in Russia. As you have pointed out, many good things for the majority of the Russian population were achieved with that revolution and thank to it also many rights we have in Europe, which, sadly, we are losing at galloping way. Rights granted by the elite, as you point, reluctantly, at the risk of facing other revolutions elsewhere, as happened in my country, Spain, where the attempt of a popular revolution against fascism was buried with the invaluable help of all, especially Nazi Germany or the letting go of UK, France and the rest. Shame on them. The Spanish workers were killed in large numbers, it is considered that more than in the Cambodian genocide, and still are today in the gutters, buried by night and treachery, without their relatives having at least the consolation of being able to honor them.
So, if that revolution was carried out mostly by Jews, and the first governments were mostly of Jews, and taking into account, as you well join up, that no revolution is a bed of roses, but worse is slavery and live without dignity, and after the welfare they made extensive for so many people, I thank immensely to all those Jews, for his effort on give us a better life, except the traitors, like Trotsky, whose venom, which was much, as noted above by WizOz, extends unstoppable until today and from those mud, this sludge.
On that the Jews consider themselves they are God’s chosen people, we have any survey to certify this? I mean a survey among ordinary people, who, as elsewhere, I suppose, are most of the Jews. I fear that the argument of being the chosen people of God is the only card found by the Zionists to justify their presence in Palestine, contrary to all law and reason. To these people, the Zionists, God could not care less, and if they seem to speak for all Jews, is because, as you point, they have the control of the media and governments, either through blackmail or self conviction thereof with their cause. I am more inclined to a matter of money, which is why during all eras of Earth history, people have sold even its own mother.
I fear that most of the Jews who are not bankers or are swimming in dolars, they want the same as us, to live and to let others live, to live in peace from their job, have access to health, education and culture and some leisure time, I think the times and the wealth existing in the world right now permit it, so we can and must aspire to reach it.
I think that Jews today are little known ( just as may happen with the Russians ), at least among the people of my generation and later, because we have not found them in our countries, where perhaps once in antiquity were living among us, nor have we had the opportunity to live with them to get an idea. It may seem stubborn and unreasonable on my part, but I like to make my own idea about anything. I think, by the atrocities that have been committed by the Zionists governments in Palestine, Jews, generally, pay a high price in terms of a growing rejection among the world’s population, and this leads to them closing in themselves more and more. I understand so. I suppose there are people in Israel and the world that never killed cause.
I do not know if you’ve heard the song whose link I put up, the lyrics are beautiful, and the language, to which I had never paid attention before, sounds also very beautiful. I say that I had not paid attention earlier to this beautiful language because, like many of you here, I also, before I got here, I rejected everything about Israel and the Jews, but after mainly read, so many opinions about them, mostly negative, now I have another position.
That is perhaps one of the great things of this blog, although some accuse his author of being anti-Jewish.
As I see it, in all groups, including this blog, without having Jews in between, there are people who think exceptional and trampling the rights of others, the evil, the enemy, is within, the Zionists only exploit all this. When all around us, in our home, in our neighborhood or in our workplace we allow injustice committed and do nothing and look the other way, when we use each other as if we were disposable or betray to thrive or obtain any benefit, we add a little more garbage and misery to the world. Then comes the Kings of Garbage, who live, thrive and profit from this, and with little effort they play us.
West MSM have said that the Christmas message of Mr. Putin was bland, well, I think, as usual, that he hit the nail, he was saying, as I understood, that each one deal to clean your house and around you, take care of yours, and when saying yours, I think he mean all who surround you, and, perhaps, everything begins to smell a little better.
I think he was asking us to do our part, as the Hummingbird of that fable in that fire, that has nothing to do with writing or doing anything else in a blog.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply
Voltaire, it should read ‘Israel, land of the Jews for 3,000 years, aka Canaan home of the Canaanites for thousands of years before that, and Palestine, home of various human beings for 70,000 years, their descendants now known as Palestinians’.
extract from
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/russias-syria-quagmire-turns-out-be-well-designed-campaign/ri12038
“The biggest challenge will be the defeat of al-Qaeda in Syria under the name Jabhat al-Nusra. That group has pushed roots into the local ground and population and will be the hardest to eradicate. It will have to be isolated from its sponsors and all resupply before it can be defeated. Local intelligence will have to penetrate the group to go after its leadership.
Russia has not yet brought its full power to bear in Syria. It waits until a more complete intelligence picture has formed to pursue smaller and smaller opposition units. This may take some additional month.
The big government offense against its enemies in Idleb province and city is also still in preparation. Unless some unforeseen exterior event happens it will be the major move over the next six month.”
also available
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/us-officials-russia-achieving-goals-syria-and-sustainable-costs/ri12035
as it says
JJ, al-Nusra Front is in open and full partnership with Israel, so will be almost impossible to eradicate. They need only cross into Israeli occupied Golan, and they are safe. And Satan-yahoo visits often with sweets and best wishes.
The Reason that Nazi Germany and ISIL Turkey want Syrian and other Middle Eastern Refugees in the European Union is to advance the Interests of the Fourth Reich and the Ottoman Empire at the Expense of Syrians and at the Expense of Much of the European Union.
It is More than Obvious that ISIL Turkey wants Syria as a place to Resettle Kurdish People, and Nazi Israel wants the Golan Heights as a place to Resettle the Palestinian People.
Nazi Germany wants Refugees so that the Refugees can work for cheap wages in order to continue to drive the other Eurozone Countries further into Recession and Depression, because German Goods and Services will be Much Cheaper and More Competitive because of the Refugees who have little choice other than to work long hours and to work hard for less wages.
The Fourth Reich wants to once again Control Continental Europe, because this is Hitler’s Vision for Europe, and this is why there are People who will Boycott All German Goods and Services, until Germany abandons Hitler’s Third Reich Policies for Europe.
We Know that there are some Eurozone Countries like Greece and Others that are in Recession and Depression, because of Franco-German Eurozone Policies, and Any Objective Person Knows that the Eurozone is Nazism, and is better Described as the Nazizone, rather than the Euphemism of the Eurozone, which is a Euphemism or Secret Code for Auschwitz.
Auschwitz was a Good Place if you were German, and not so good if you were Non German, or if you were not a Puppet of Nazi Germany, because the plan of Nazi Germany and ISIL Turkey is to create turmoil in Greece to give Greece to Albania and Turkey to create Eurabia.
The English wanted to be Allies with Turkey after WW 1 to try to weaken the German and Turkish Alliance of Genocidal Countries, and England said to Turkey that would Prove that England wants to be Turkey’s friend.
This is why England made the Colonialist Armies of Australia and New Zealand land at Gallipoli to prove England’s friendship with Turkey, because it was known thousands of years ago, that it is very difficult to fight against those on higher ground, and England’s Colonialists might never guess that this was done Deliberately by England, and even if they did, then those Colonialists are the Puppets of England.
The Reason that England did this was that it did not want a war with Turkey, and it gave the English Empire their excuse with their Public and their Allies for England to not have a war with Turkey, hoping that Turkey would be England’s Ally in WW 2, which England Engineered decades in advance to have WW 2.
There are those who think that the Gallipoli Campaign was because of poor planning by the English Empire, but it was done deliberately by England for the reason that is mentioned.
However, Turkey who Committed Genocide on the Armenian People, saw that Nazi Germany was Committing Genocides in Europe, and so Turkey once again became an Ally with Nazi Germany.
Turkey had signed the Anglo-French-Turkish Treaty of 1939, but it did Not honour that Treaty, and in 1941 after learning of Nazi Genocides, Turkey signed a Friendship Treaty with Nazi Germany, and Turkey supplied Germany with strategic raw materials for Nazi Aggression and Genocides on Europe.
We can know for certain by looking at these events including the Unjust Deal that Greece received from the Nazizone that Anglo-America = European Union = Eurozone = European Central Bank = Saudi Arabia = Turkey and much of the Balkans.
The European Union Elites want Millions of Refugees from Middle Eastern Countries in the European Union, so that they can make the European Union a Police State, and a Military Dictatorship for WW 3 against Russia, and this is Euphemistically called More Europe, and the European Union Elites are Nazis, because they Engineered a Coup and a Genocide in Ukraine, and because the European Union has placed Economic Sanctions on Russia for Illegitimate and Unjustifiable reasons, because the Nazis of Europe want to weaken Russia Economically for WW 3.
The European Union is Committing Genocide on the Syrian Refugees, because when it is Safe Again to Return to Syria, then Syrian Refugees want to Return to their own Country which they Love, because they are Homesick for Syria, and because they Know that they Belong in Syria.
The European Union is Committing Genocide on the Syrian People, because it is helping the ISIL Terrorists, and the European Union is saying that the Innocent in Syria are guilty, and that the Guilty in Syria are innocent, and that the Guilty Perpetrators of Terrorism are the innocent victims of terrorism, and that the Innocent Victims of Terrorism are the guilty perpetrators of terrorism, and this is Unnecessarily Delaying the Return of the Syrian Refugees back to their Country that they Love, and where they Yearn to be.
The European Union is Also Committing Genocide on the Syrian People in Syria, because the European Union are placing Economic Sanctions on Syria, and the European Union are doing this for Illegitimate and Unjustifiable reasons.
It is Vital in a Democracy that Everyone agrees that their Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, and that Everyone accepts the Election Result, and that there Must be No coercion for having an early Election, and that the Constitution can be changed with a Referendum, and that All Syrian Citizens have Equality before the Law, and this means that Any Syrian Citizen can stand for Any Public Office at Any Syrian Election.
This is necessary during peace time to maintain the peace, but it is Vital when a Country is under attack from ISIL Terrorists, and this is accepted by All of the Legal and Legitimate Political Parties of Syria.
The Legitimate Opposition Political Parties in Syria Agree with this, and those who do Not agree with this are Acting as Treasonous Terrorists, because they Know that they can Never receive a Majority of the Votes, and so Terrorism is their Only way to Achieve their Anti Human and Anti Freedom Evil Agendas, and for this they are supported by Nazi Euro-America.
The Armed Syrian Opposition Political Parties have the Options of continuing to Commit Treason and Terrorism against the Syrian People, and against Essential Democratic Principles, and against the Syrian Constitution, or of fighting against Terrorism as an Ally of the Syrian People in Cooperation with the Legitimate and Constitutional Syrian Government, or they can Disarm and become Civilians.
There are Many People who think that Only those Countries who are Just will be the ones that will Cooperate with the Legitimate Democratically Elected Syrian Government, and with its Armed Forces who are Valiantly Fighting against Terrorism, because they say that this will Provide Proof that these Countries are against Terrorism, that they Respect the Sovereignty of Nations, and that they are Committed to International Law.,,
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“Kirill Vysokolov — After Saudi Arabia and Iran broke off diplomatic relations on Sunday, the prospect of war between the two countries has become a new concern.
The two countries are already said to be involved in proxy wars against each other in Yemen and Syria. The new escalation with the killing of a prominent Shiite preacher draws parallels to the 1980s, which led to a conflict that threatened to engulf the whole region.
A war between the two countries would not be in the interest of any major power, as such a conflict would both spread regional instability and create shocks in the global oil supply. However, Saudi Arabia has apparently already said that it would not obey orders from Washington.
“Every time the Iranians do something, the U.S. backs off. In the meantime, Saudi (Arabia) is actually doing something about it in Syria, in Iran and in Yemen. The Saudis really don’t care if they anger the White House,” an “insider” source simultaneously told AP and Reuters on Sunday.”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20160104/1032669762/saudi-iran-war-prospects.html#ixzz3wHnTa0cC
proof they could disquailfy themselves from participating in Syrian resolution, proof of proxy war?
> Keep in mind that the Syrians have been fighting this war for longer (4 years and 9 months) than the Soviet Union fought WWII (3 years and 10 months).
yo Saker, hire a fact checker to avoid embarrassments like this in the future….
Political compromise. Can a clearer message be sent? The goal seems very inline with say…the USrael goal which was the reason for their creation and arming of the bogeyman ISIS. And stealing of all that oil. Balkanization toward greater Israel. Putin is a beaten man and I suppose he knows it. All that oil theft must have made him realise this.
This would be funny if it wasn’t so grim:
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/americas/2016/01/04/pentagon-reason-russia-view-us-threat/78280396/
Clearly command-and-control assume the audience has the memory span of a gnat and think NATO’s advance is a mirage..
But it’s a change from the sabre-rattling for sure.
“What is truly remarkable is that the range of missions accomplished by this aviation regiment equivalent size force has been one which normally have been given to an aviation division (a force roughly 3 to 5 times larger). Let me repeat that: this regimental size force has, for three months nonstop, successfully executed the amount of airstrikes normally given to a force 3 to 5 times bigger. ”
While the Russian Air Forcce has done a remarkable job, the above comparison seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. The required 3 to 5 times larger force is most likely for a situation where the air force would have to deal with SAM systems attacking them, other fighter planes attacking them and the adversary having a military on a par with the Russian force.
The situation in Syria is that the Russians are dealing with an adversary which has no air force or any means of attacking the Russian air force in any meaningful way. Hence a much smaller force is capable of meeting the challenge.
As shown by the aftermath of the downing of the Russian plane the force size had to be increased by about 50 %, so it would be reasonable to assume that if the Russians had to deal with an adversary that was capable of consistently and effectively shooting at them the force required would be 3-5 times larger.
This is the long war & it may be helpful if those with a depth of understanding elaborate on what Russia’s longer-term strategy may be in order to evaluate the current success – or lack of success – of the aerial campaign. Here’s my five pence.
NATO began its drive to the East 25 years ago, smashing Yugoslavia first & engaging the ‘little Russian’ Serbs. The Serbs pinned them down for 10 years.
The Neocon switch in Washington re-directed focus away from East Europe to the Middle East, Obama brought the focus back again under the guidance of Brzezinski. Nuland emphasized the $5bn spent on subversion in Ukraine because what happened in Feb 2014 was supposed to have happened 10-20 years earlier.
So, in conclusion, the Kiev Nazi coup was a declaration of war against Russia by NATO, the Anglo-American Empire, whatever you like to call it (I favor Atlanticist Imperium – AI – not to be confused with Amnesty, see A**holes International but the same principle applies).
Russia faces a war on its doorstep, it has arrived. What to do? Take what is most important at that instant, Crimea & the Sevastopol Base. Support Russians in Donbass and stall the Nazi invasion. Result? Success, more or less, the stalling tactic has worked, & the prospect of massive war in Europe has spooked Germany & France.
In the meantime, take the war to the most vulnerable point of the Anglo-American Empire – the Middle East. Why? Because the Petrodollar can not function without control of Middle East oil, no Petrodollar, no Anglo-American Empire. Simple. Trade in oil in USD means de-facto control of trade per se, plus finance, plus credit. Petrodollar underwrites US military expenditure. Financial market demand for USD regulates the Dollar value – to a point – but the fundamental underlying critical factor is this – Middle East oil is the collateral base for printing USD. So Russia moves on them there & now they have to focus on that region until either Russia or they, are defeated. They can toy with Ukraine, push IS from Afghan into Tajik towards Kazakh, etc. etc., but as long as Russia operates in Syria that region in priority no.1.
So does Russia want a quick victory? Absolutely not? Does Russia want escalation there? No. But – they (Putin & co.) know that escalation is inevitable & are planning to use this catastrophe to their advantage by playing the long-game, drawing in ever more meat from the bottomless pit of Salafi Jihadist mercenaries, bankrupting Saudi, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, empowering Iran, Hezbollah, & – crucially – entering into a dialogue with Israel based on military force – something Israel is not at all accustomed to.
Russia builds, slowly, steadily, surely, & imperfectly to be sure, but learning from mistakes, whilst raising the stakes all the time, feeling their way into operating militarily outside of their borders, building confidence, enhancing prestige, gaining respect, all the things needed to win.
And Russia will win. No victor of such magnitude & importance for the world will be without pain, loss, suffering & sacrifice, as with WW2, but Russia will win friends, of that we can all be sure. Why? Because the strategy is correct, the planning is on point, & the objective realistic. Destroy the Petrodollar by denying the empire control over the collateral, will not be easy, but it will be done. And it will change the world, forever.
Of course, if we take the Russian statement of goals at face value, they may not intend to tip the balance to the Assad government.”
It’s interesting that the Russians have conducted airstrikes on behalf of YPG/SDF. One could see this as the beginning of rapprochement between the government and the YPG/SDF; Or, it might be a step towards the proclaimed Russian goal – defeating daesh but not necessarily restoring Assad.
The YPG and SDF remain publically committed to the ouster of Assad. Today, they added a Sunni Arab tribe to their coaliltion, a small grouping of fighters, but one formerly allied with the government.
An Alawite-centered coalition has ruled Syria for decades. Could a Kurd-centered coalition stake a claim, whether to rule or to force themselves into a powerful place in the ruling coalition? It’s interesting to see the Kurds attempting to set up a ‘big tent.’
I hesitate to write this because it may be giving too much away too soon, but having said that, people in the know already know what is going on, competent analysts can figure it out & the Anglo-American Imperial establishment/ruling caste probably know it too.
This is the deal. Russia’s aim in Syria is fairly simple, gradually, step-by-step, draw NATO/US/UK into a direct military confrontation. But not with Russia. With their demon jihadist creation. How?
Basically, by intervening in Syria, Russia’s principle aim is what the Putin g’ment always said it was, to protect Syria’s sovereignty & international law. More recently, immediately prior to the intervention on Sep 30 2015 & ever since, the Russian g’ment has been more vocal in defense of the Assad government itself.
Russia will assist the SAA in securing existing g’ment controlled territory, destroying the pockets of terrorist control & eventually liberating Aleppo so that the main population centers are secured & life can begin to return to some semblance of normality. This has to be done gradually, irrespective of whether Russia & the SAA, along with the militias & YPG, are even in a position to score a more rapid victory.
The reason is the Saliafi Jihadists, they must remain convinced that they can win, & so must their backers. Why? Because the ultimate aim is for them too actually become an even stronger force that will be deflected away from Syria & Iraq & driven into Saudi Arabia. This will happen in concern with the Houthis in Yemen eventually pushing the Saudi mercenary army deep into Saudi Arabia from the south.
The objective? To force a NATO/US/UK military deployment or invasion of Saudi Arabia, where they will face the combined forces of Salifi Jihadist factions/ISIS or successors to ISIS, various Shia militias in the eastern oil rich provinces, & the Houthis in the south – who they may or may not go up against, depending on how this pans out.
Turkey will be out of the game because they will be locked into a civil war that is just beginning now but will escalate beyond belief. This is how I suspect the situation will unravel & bring things to a spectacular conclusion in about 5 to 10 years from now. I say spectacular, not out of excitement, more out of horror, this scenario is not at all pretty or pleasant to contemplate, but I think that Putin knows there is no choice anymore but to meet the menace head on & destroy the military capacity of all of Russia’s would be aggressors in one sweep. That’s my five pence again. Of course, this is a summary, the situation will be far more complex then I’ve elaborated here, but that is a rough outline. I do not expect anyone to agree, just remember this assessment & watch it unfold. World power will be decided in the Arabian desert.
That’s very interesting, but NATO already is sort of at war with the DAESH, supplying it unofficially with all the arms it needs to get killed off against designated enemies, and pruning it back officially so is doesn’t become too independent. Its kind of a variation on the game Arab regimes played on their radicals, sending them abroad on Jihad so they wouldn’t Jihad at home, only on major steroids.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/01/trial-swedish-man-accused-terrorism-offences-collapse-bherlin-gildo
NATO for the most part no longer has expeditionary capability or popular and political will that can be drawn into another major ground war in the Middle East. The 12 000 NATO forces in Afghanistan (with Russian encouragement) are mostly American special forces and trainers. That war is hardly over, and enthusiasm for the project is resoundingly absent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISAF_troop_number_statistics
In 2011 maybe NATO would have risked stepping in on a swift Assad departure ‘led’ by Turkey, and the Syrian Arab Army more or less intact. But not now. They know what they’ve created since that time. The Americans are more or less alone in Iraq, and on the ground, unwanted by Iraqi popular militias.
Stopping the DAESH is as easy as turning off a tap, and the handle is on the NATO/GCC side of the fence. Specifically, the United States.
Even if the GCC wanted to keep the war going, no American arms to the GCC means they would either have to empty their own arsenals (unlikely), or seek inferior sources, such as Soviet-era Bulgarian arms, which aren’t up to the task.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/war-gains-bulgarian-arms-add-fuel-to-middle-east-conflicts-12-16-2015
Stop supplying DAESH with arms and money and every local Syrian or Iraqi they’ve ever p’ed off is going to take vengeance, especially the supposed tribal allies they’ve bought or intimidated into compliance.
Envisioning President Putin as some sort of strategic mastermind luring NATO to disaster… um, no. Just, no. Neoconned NATO is managing that all by themselves and Putin is belatedly wielding a twelve-an-a-half foot pole at Russia’s doorstep.
Very insightful and informative.
The Iranian contribution might a larger problem for the Anglo Zionists than is obvious, hence the speculation of war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. This will limit the Iranian commitment even further, but it seems the harder NATO hammers the stronger the Shiite crescent is forged.
Talk of Russian failure in the West has always come off a cheap anyway. The fall of Assad was always the propagandized goal, and that was so simple and drilled in, it can’t be taken back.
Its probably going to come down to who runs out of money first rather than bodies willing to fight; NATO or the Russian-backed coalition. Back in 1985 when the oil price tanked on the Soviet Union, they were mired in Afghanistan.
Seymour Hersh leaked in the London Review of Books that General Dempsey and the Pentagon wanted Assad to survive, and supposedly went behind Obama’s back to do it. Since its highly unlikely the White House would be in that in the dark, it was probably more like Obama keeping his options open, making a more direct American intervention, as wanted by the neocons, less likely by subbing a Russian Afghan scenario instead.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military
The limited Russian commitment and lack of a deep oil surplus means this is not the same 1985 scenario. According to Pepe Escobar, NATO/GCC has only six months to resolve the war in their favor before the oil bust ends and oil boom inevitably starts up again, easing the pressure on Russia.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/328097-oil-saudi-iran-war-crisis/
On the other hand, an oil recovery also gives Saudi Arabia more money to play with, assuming they can retain and expand their market share, or maybe even buy into the American fracking industry while its weak.